/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>33618033
I can't believe Subaru said all of that on stream. She has my respect.

>>33618033
Based duck watcher.

Consider this: I don't care, won't read your post and still see you as a cancer that makes this board more annoying to use.

I miss when Achievement Hunter was just a couple bros (actual bros not faggots like Tempus) playing games and having fun. Then a bitch starting showing up in videos followed by another bitch. Every video the bitches showed up in completely sapped the chemistry between the group. The product became inferior.

Male x Females interacting is just never funny. We are fundamentally different people and we have different interests. Something is going to be compromised somewhere if you try to get them to interact with each other. Either 100% male or 100% female, don't mix them.

>>33618266
Return to hence you came.

>>33618277
This might actually explain it. Girls collabing is entertaining, guys collabing is entertaining, put together and it becomes boring

>>33618033
based duck enjoyer

>>33618033
They exploit men's loneliness through the gf experience and merch, even some irl egirls do it because they know it is profitable. Then they complain about the audience they have garnered

>>33618033
BASED OPSCHOLAR
Excellent post detailing Hololive’s main appeal and why the recent male collabs betray that appeal and should be stopped.

>>33618266
your probably a woman

>>33618033
Suba ghosted her male friends because numbers, don't be surprised if she easily does the opposite when the meta change again

>>33618396
>unicorns are now blaming the chuuba for their unicorn tendencies
this is where we're at, everybody!

>>33618033
Thank you

>>33618033
Fuck you for trying to conflate CGDCT with unicorns. Got me if this is bait, though.

>>33618266
Too retarded to skim read a few sentences that took me about 30 seconds total?

>>33618033
>Most of culture and society rejects this demographic, but Hololive has catered to them for years, and now parts of HoloEN are suddenly shifting away from them towards a different audience.
Even people who prey on sad lonery loosers don't want to deal with them. Cuckoldry squared.

>>33618456
unicorn tendencies are why kronii has a job that isn't burger-flipping

>>33618033
I'm stealing this for a future bait thread, sasuga anon

>>33618033
You know. You raise a good point. I'm actually glad there are still people like you who hang on this board.

>Male x Females interacting is just never funny. We are fundamentally different people and we have different interests. Something is going to be compromised somewhere if you try to get them to interact with each other. Either 100% male or 100% female, don't mix them.
Ehhhh,,, there are some exceptions. There's no such thing as 100% anything.

>>33618447
>your
english probably isn't your first language

the larger problem is that the fanbase has been turned against itself.

for a short period of time, awkward social outcasts managed to find a safehaven in the vtuber communities where they were among other similar to them.
for some, even their oshis are awkward social wrecks (e.g. pekora, kanata, aqua, etc) who have been able to empathize with their situation.

at the end of their shitty day in their shitty daily grind, they were able to find warmth and feel like maybe society doesn't hate them so much.

but now, not only have the safehavens been taken away from them, they are actively being vilified and humiliated by the other half of the fanbase, the normies.
even worse, some of the vtubers themselves have started ridiculing them for being what they are.

>>33618033
ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL ITS NORMAL

>>33618456
all men have such tendancies, its just that unicorns are not self aware about it.

>>33618033
Male collabs are fine if it was maid explicit that this was going to happen. No harm no fowl.

It is not fine to pander to unicorns inorder to to chase numbers only to break your promises to them when it suits you. It's like selling someone not a bag of poop but they end up with a bag of poop instead.

>>33618563
this board has been somehow so much worse since Tempus debuted

>>33618563
this is what the fan base deserves for abandoning their own chuuba outcasts and continuing their support of cover.

>>33618456
Trying way too hard, tourist.

>>33618563
>even worse, some of the vtubers themselves have started ridiculing them for being what they are
Let's look at this from both sides. Sure, unicorns do suffer. But they are also very fun o torment.

I just want to relate on some level to whoever I'm watching. I already know I'm a loser.

>>33618717
You relate only to women who don't talk to men? Are you a tranny or something?

>can't play with males on my off-hours, like I've already been doing
>can't fuck with men on my off-hours, like I've already been doing
>can't sexting with males on my off-hours, like I've already been doing
>can't have a deep conversion with males on my off-hours, like I've already been doing
>oh no no no, I must do it only on that 1 hour I stream per week when tummy don't hurt and I must do it in front of everyone to see. The smell of a smegma smeared dick isn't the same if my viewers aren't watching. I'm such a nasty whore.

CGDCT is fun.
Hanging out with just the guys is fun.
Hanging out with guys and girls is also fun.

No one's denying there's a unique vibe to girl only collabs, but closing everything else off is just boring. I want chuubas I like to collab with each other, simple as. I want Oozora family to reunite and have fun together again, and it sucks that I've known they've met eachother off-screen but we may never see them interact on-screen because Subaru's too much of a coward.

god i wanna have sex with marine so bad

holy shit unicorn doesn't mean "the person I don't like" stop misusing terms retarded twitter tourists.

>>33618456
I wonder what other niche these leeches are going to shit up and then scream "this is not a big deal go touch some grass we need to change your toxic culture", these niggas are 247 activists

>>33618266

There's a certain amount of openness that comes with being around friends of the same gender, in a mixed gender setting this is thrown off

literally only being in it for CGDCT is a shallow, shallow perspective that should die
it's proof positive that you have zero respect for any actual talent, passion, or skill these people have for what they're doing, male or female, you could throw the most talentless, lazy hack in front of these people and they'd eat it the fuck up if they were a cute girl
>inb4 they have no talent, passion, or skill
if you believe this you've proven my point

>>33618950
why are they using anime avatars then?

>>33618759
You're a disingenuous faggot

>>33618033
I dont care about what you do or what you like but I do care about this
>I don't condone harassment but I strongly suspect that there have been very few incidents of actual harassment and that those are being used to smear everyone who doesn't like male collabs.
The issue is that those "very few" harassments have enough of an effect to force Kronii into break and management to put out public statement. I dont care if you wana wave the CGDCT flag or cuckpost on /vt/, but if actual talents get affected like Kronii, then it is extremely problematic.
I dont care if Gura or whoever doesnt want to collab with males, dont harass those that do want collab with males, and dont pretend that the harassment isnt happening either.

>>33618950
My favourite part of this whole thing is how the unicorns started pretending to like Kiara.
>>33618993
?????????

>>33618825
>Subaru
historically it always has been nijinigger management that holds Maimoto hostage.

they talked about it on a call-in stream where maimoto stated that Holostaff basically want him there but Niji doesn't give him the go ahead initially.

>>33618277
Nah, it become "Inferior" when they become trend chaser instead of trend setters in terms of content
Then they tried to branch out of their comfort zones
Then they expand their cast without having them settle in

And then R.J.H happened

t.watched since Drunk Tank

>>33618033
>parts of HoloEN are suddenly shifting away from them towards a different audience.
A house divided cannot stand
this is only the beginning

>>33619039
wait, kiara? what are you on about

>>33618950
I mean, you could compare it to CGDCT anime that are better-written and have more endearing characters with those that are bland and forgettable. The fact that they also sing and dance adds to the appeal of Hololive being one big idol unit.

>>33619064
I apologize to Subaru, then, I shouldn't have assumed it was on her. That sucks, though, I wonder why they'd do that...

>>33619064
Not only that Nijisanji is incompetent, but they are also downright toxic.
The mention of Hololive was censored at one point.

>>33619133
Also, link?

>>33618950
well let me know if holoEN ever picks up any talented, passionate, or skilled people LMAO

>>33619039
I like GFE content but I began to like Kiara long before this. She's so cute

twitter tourists don't even try to understand posts and they're just responding to the strawmans they build in their heads.

>>33618033
>CGDCT
Real life is not anime. Deal with it. Plus anime like Lucky Star and Nichijou had guys.
>Gachikois
Encouraging mental illness is a bad thing.
>I can complain if I want to
And we can mock you for your retarded complaints.
>JP is different than EN!
Yep.
>Just let me be an incel!
Allowing people like you to be delusional leads to fuckers burning down Kyoani. You know, home of your beloved CGDCT animes. Mental illness should be confronted. Medicate yourself. Get help. Improve your life. Festering in a parasocial relationship with someone who doesn't know you exist is sick. You aren't somehow special because of it. You are a deviant. Consider suicide.

>>33618950
>Unicorns are parasocial and care too much, they should die
>CGDCT are shallow and don't care enough, they should die.
At some point you retards should just admit that your demand isn't really about the girls or the content at all, you're just upset that anyone would dare have an opinion that doesn't match the one you think is approved by the crowd, probably because you're used to an environment where the central opinion is imposed by moderation and up/down votes.

>>33618453
All of the manless VTuber talents continue to widen the gap from those interacting with males.

To make matters worse for psychopathic hobby invaders, Nijisanji's top livers are even starting to lean away from male-female since Hololive maintains and is widening its dominance with that exact exclusion.

>>33619175
Are you retarded? Gura has been with EN from the start

>>33618033
There's objectively nothing wrong with CGDCT, even Kiara agrees and feels this way about kpop and jpop girls too

But the problem isn't that people are mad about not getting CGDCT, the problem is that people actively post hate comments which indicates it's more than just not receiving CGDCT.

Not liking something is fine, but going schizo shows it's not about lack of content you like, but rather that you're concerned about the current content put out and that's bad because it shows you care more about male collabs than about not getting your CGDCT content. It makes you look like a liar when you spout "I just want CGDCT that's all"

>>33619233
exception that proves the rule.

>>33618033
based

>>33619204
>Allowing people like you to be delusional leads to fuckers burning down Kyoani.
That had literally nothing to do with "CGDCT" and was because of a guy who thought KyoAni plagiarized from him.

>>33618608
>unicorns are not self aware about it.
do you?

>>33619204
>Mental illness should be confronted
this, we should hang all trannies

>>33619204
>we
Kek, fucking faggot.

>>33619297
Mental illness is mental illness. Are you claiming that incels who want some delusional relationship with a girl who doesn't know they exist isn't a mental illness?

>>33618994
How does an anime girl not interacting with men makes her more relatable?

>>33619064
>historically it always has been nijinigger management that holds Maimoto hostage.
Normally I would call you a freaking retard, but after picrel ... Idk

>>33619236
/thread

>>33619236
They wouldn't be getting hate if there wasn't a swarm of oppressors trying to force males into Hololive collabs instead of any of:

1. Watch Nijisanji instead.
2. Go outside and talk to girls and guys instead.
3. Do literally anything else except try to usurp the only place where girls hold providence.

>>33619204
Kill yourself first twitternigger. You and your band of dickless freaks will never get JP girls to bend over like your clock whore and your pink drug addict

>>33618033
I don't care. Go watch project kawaii or something

>>33618266
You are the outsider in this situation. You're the foreign body taking up space within the host.

>>33619352
You think there are "oppressors trying to force males into Hololive collabs", but in reality it's either A. people who like holostars and hololive and want their favorites to collab because they enjoy the interactions or B. a fictional boogieman that allows you to say "Clearly it's not me being schizo".

>>33619379
See this? This is what I mean. This is the level of schizo that leads someone to burn down Kyoani. Get help.

>>33618950
>durrrr you prove my point I win!
Retard moment. You don't even have an argument.

>>33619352
I was here before they stopped collabing with males, and you're trying to force them to not collab with males, you're the usurper and the "oppressor", you projecting newfag.

Women may be retarded but numbers speak for themselves, they don't need you to tell them you don't like something, it's reflected in objective stats
You talk about being treated with respect and professionally yet you won't do the same just shut the fuck up and stop watching chuubas you don't like

>>33619325
>is it mental illness to have romantic feelings for a woman you watch for several hours at a time?
No. The parasocial aspect is just a feature of modern technology where you can watch someone streaming live from the other side of the world.

>>33619352
>swarm of oppressors trying to force males into Hololive collabs
Now I want state-mandated male colabs under the watch of a vcommisar.
ONE HOLO
ONE FANBASE
ONE COVER

>>33619443
Parasocial is by definition a mental illness. Calling it a "feature of modern technology" does not change this fact. Features of modern technology can and do enable mental illness.

>>33619352
in order to appease women today, you have to agree with them to the point of becoming a woman

>>33619379
Isn't funny that only people who hate men more than trannies are incels?

>>33618662
They barely did anything btw, of course everyone started seething

>>33619313
Troons take their meds, anon, why don't you?

It's good that cover has plans to move away from this kind of audience towards a mainstream market.

>>33619352
Hololive isn't your fucking safespace
It's a fucking business model
You don't like trends? Pull out and stop supporting

Crazy how when it doesn't suit unicorns they forget the "idols are a product" argument they always give

>>33619533
No, being an obese unwashed incel is actualy based and redpilled. All my fellow groypers agree.

>>33619524
Not at all, trannies are incels themselves.

>>33619547
Only the EN side. JP is leaning harder into idol and gachikoi appeal if anything

>>33619436
that's a feature of the vtuber community, i don't know if it's a good or bad feature.
nobody wants to hear your criticisms.
doesn't matter what you criticize, the vtuber and the other fans both don't want to hear it.

her singing sucks? she's bad at the games? her game choices suck? her voice is annoying? her collabs with other women are boring? her collabs with other men are boring?
doesn't matter, keep it to yourself and move on.

>>33618033
Miss me with your novel senpai
I am not gonna watch males and I will not watch girls who collab with them. Simple as.

I think since nijiEN is a lot of people here's experience with co-ed collab, with everything that entails, and not the more rigid and professional Stars JP, Yagoo's own pet project, there's a lot of dread.

>>33619236
I think they're upset because they're no longer getting the CGDCT from the chuubas they like. I know she's an ID and it's a different mindset but Kobo was received very warmly soon after her debut because of her personality and cute interactions with the other girls but now she is mostly a plaything for Tempus and UPROAR. The collabs with the female IDs always include a male as well now.

>>33619430
Do you fags think anyone actually believes your larp?

>>33619236
I think there's functionally no difference between this argument and people coming along and saying all the girls in CGDCT content should have boyfriends and it'd be cool if some of them were having sex. Maybe one of them will have a kid with her boyfriend? I bet that'd be a cool story arc. She could live alone in her little house like Sharo and be a single mother.

Not expecting rabid aggression to arise when such asinine and destructive machinations gain a foothold is like trying to sew a silly hat onto a wild tiger's head because it'd produce funny content and not realizing the funny content is going to be a LiveLeak.

>>33619547
Absolutely not, the gentrification of hobbies always makes them full of smug hipsters who try to police them

>>33619236
>But the problem isn't that people are mad about not getting CGDCT, the problem is that people actively post hate comments which indicates it's more than just not receiving CGDCT
No, what's happening is a preemptive (over)reaction to a perceived threat. That permitting regular co-ed collaborations will beget a greater proportion of them in the future to the detriment of the existing culture. We'll only really know in a few months time the true damage (or lack thereof) to the old Hololive culture and audience expectations.

>>33619233
>>33619253
The actual state of this delusional.

>>33619325
You dishonest, filthy fuck. Nobody entertains the relationship delusion. It's a complete lie made up by people like you who hate vtubing. What we want is CGDCT. Males completely destroy that. It really is that simple. There is no deeper reason.

>>33619547
Only for your EN whores.

>>33619204
>Mental illness should be confronted. Medicate yourself.
no, do not cope that way cope this way through drugs and indoctrination

>>33619547
They still can take refuge in the holoJP

>>33619580
Obvious projection, lmao.

>>33619194
>Kiara
We'll never see eye to eye anon, I'm sorry

>>33618033
TL;DR Western wokeshit trying to co-op vtubing like they did to gaming and comics.

The fact there are people honestly ofended or feel betrayed bc a man is collabing with a girl that isnt anything of them is borderline a mental illness... not even a GWS pill gonna fix that they need therapy

>>33619651
??? I've been here since mid 2019, so while I'm no oldfag, I got to experience the golden age of inter-company, inter-sex collabs. Fuck all of you EOP newfags.

>>33618266
Then take the same advice you tell all the incels to do about the current situation and leave. Not that hard retarded hypocrite, close the tab and never come back.

>>33619662
Vtubing will either open to mainstream markets (where ad money is) or get stuck in a ghetto filled with dysgenic freaks.

>>33619682
>Nobody enters the relationship delusion
>OP's post literally talks about it.
What's it like to be so mentally ill you don't even see it?
>>33619695
The world will never welcome you. Your entire life will be rejection, pain, and suffering. You will always be disappointed. Why not kill yourself now and end the pain?

>>33618033
Wiseman and scholar.
Sadly, most people will reject your message and call you names because they don't think.
Tourists that screech about gachikois will never understand because they are here just to chase trends and will leave vtubing tomorrow when new trend will appear. And these people that just want their quality and very specific content will be left with void, broken shell ruined by tourists and bad actors.
Hololive EN is doomed to fail.

>>33619524
Genuine question, why is the anti unicorn side so disingenuous?

>>33619682
>CGDCT
Eh, got boring for me overtime, love their karaoke streams tho

>>33618033
I'm not reading all that
also
>Subaru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSar97XY2dI

>>33619418
Keep up the gaslight attempt, twitternigger. I assume Omegay provide you with a list of stock buzzwords to further your male collab agenda?

>an entirely natural impulse
That's when I knew this was bullshit

>>33619204
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>33619662
>full of smug hipsters who try to police them
Smash or Pass but let's add tons of conditions because the fictional character might be under 18 or appear underage and that'd be a heckin' crime and creepy. Western white women ruin fun things. Twitch and Twitter troons make this entertainment less enjoyable.

>>33619682
I am sure you actualy believe that.

>>33619775
It's pretty much the same with the unicorns, genuine answer btw

>>33618033
i kneel to the duck

>>33619204
>Mental illness should be confronted
oh shit the jidf is here

>>33619782
>Gaslight
You don't even understand the concept. Your schizo mind is so addled that you see boogiemen everywhere. You hate troons without recognizing you are just as damaged as them. You have no friends. Your family wishes they could forget you. Your life will be nothing. But do continue to flit away what little money the government provides you to some anonymous girl who will never know who you are and won't miss your absence.

>>33619711
She's so cute, I can't help it

>>33619775
Cuz you faggots are very easy to trigger. It's like the old tumblr over here.

>>33619780
And she hasn't collabed with a male again in over 2 years. Flare will never do it and still homobeggars keep bitching about her not being with her mama's family for collabs.

>>33619763
hey if the world welcomed mentally ill troons and pedos why should I give a fuck

>>33619849
Found the trannie lover.

>>33619852
Do you really think that comment was left in earnest? Where do you think we are?

>>33619849
Yes. Jews want to steal away your waifu from you. Defend your honor son of EVROPA!

>>33619882
>He wants to live in a world where pedos and troons are welcome
You are part of the problem.

>>33619858
you'll never be on old fag

>>33619736
This is unironically the only reason I'm taking the side of unicorns. I dont give a shit about cross gender collabs but holy fuck some of these faggots glow like crazy. I went through the accounts of a few people who responded to kroniis tweet and literally every one of them was a full blown leftist.

>>33619753
>mid 2019
They banned holostars interaction around that time you larping nigger.

>>33619852
This is pure deflection, kill yourself inceltranny.

>>33619915
Why are you here? I don't honestly know. Maybe to simulate a hugbox? Why am I here? To laugh at you.

>>33618266
Look at all those ass hurt motherfuckers. Job well done anon.

I've been watching vtubers since Kizuna Ai started and my enjoyment of the hobby has decreased more and more the more I come here.
Advice to everyone, unicorn, gachikoi, CGDCT, casual viewers, if you're finding yourself more and more jaded with the hobby, just fucking stop coming here. Stop participating in fan communities, /vt/, reddit, twitter, youtube chat and comments, just stay the fuck away and watch streams.
Participating in fandoms turns you into a faggot. That is concrete scientific fact

>>33619965
>The one in a parasocial relationship with a fictional character calling someone else an incel

Can't believe we just went from CGDCT and Mix-collab to political work problems in 2022

>>33619797
Exactly, and this is the same shit that happened to TTRPGs and comic books. The Japan side of things is unlikely to be affected but expect even more types like you see from the debuted vtweeters over here.

I have yet to have one person actually make the case of why EN hololive/stars interactions are different than the main branch that doesn't just boil down to "it's different because I don't speak japanese." Yes there's a collab rush right now because Tempus is the shiny new toy and it'll be more common because western countries don't have the same mentality about platonic interaction as nips. If anything it'll be more sanitized because the appreciation of men that allows for funny stuff like Roberu's cock hungry collab partners doesn't exist in the west. and don't even start on that "western people are killing the medium" meme, gachikoi/unicorns aren't even the original fans of hololive, much less vtubing as a whole and they've only made the content more sterile and less entertaining by their presence

>>33619931
Want to brag about being in your thirties and filling burning hole in your soul with a pretend anime girlfriend?

>>33620004
Oh hey, a logical post. Too bad no one who needs to hear this will heed it. Thanks for trying tho.

>>33619852
Keeo trying you worthless trannoid. It amuses me that you actually think yourself as something more than a shitposter in a kazakhstan rice farming forum.

>>33619596
Anon, because in JP those kind of people ARE the mainstream market
You have to wait for at least 5-10 years before it's the same on EN, and even then it's not guarantee

>>33619755
>be me having fun enjoying a hobby in my generals
>somehow a hypocrite for disliking dramaniggers who wake up every day searching for something to seethe about, spamming threads and being caustic retards
>Without fail, every single one of the worst interactions I've had is with either a disingenuous numbernigger or unicorn
No. I'll continue enjoying my time watching anime women on the internet unlike you. Get some help.

>>33620058
>keeo
Seajogger please go back.

>>33620038
Kronii literally called her audience maidenless (ie virgins).

>>33619926
>completely misses in complete retardation
why would I care about feeling welcome to the world if it accepts faggotry, why do you even care so much about acceptance

>>33619763
>troons saying someone is mentally ill
Rumao

Not reading all that. Stop shitting up this board, stop shitting up my chuubas chats and twitter, and stop shitting up your life. Good luck, take it one step at a time if you need to.
>>33619204
I did read this though because it's more concise and I agree with these points.
Seek therapy OP.

>>33620004
I see you right there oldfag, good to see that you're still sane after all those years.

>>33619085
And why did all that shit happen? Because they tried to cater to what the Twitards were peddling. Diversity! Representation! And all that other bullshit the fucker spew.

I also have no problem with Ryan. I still firmly believe that all he did was cheat on his wife. He had no knowledge of anyone's age and even explicitly stated "I admit I did wrong but I didn't do anything illegal." Guy just got caught during the height of the "me-too" movement, where everyone immediately believed women and got absolutely ass blasted by it.

>>33620116
So you don't want to be accepted? Adorable. You recognize then, that your life will be nothing but suffering and sadness? Why do you continue to live then?
>>33620127
I ain't a troon incel. Troons, incels, and all mentally ill should be culled for the sake of the world.

What you're all seeing happening right now is an attempt to shift the vtubing culture, not too different from what resetera and reddit trannies have done on the gaming sphere.

>>33620097
she wasn't wrong, she's a bit more autistic but JPs make jokes about their fans being typical internet dwellers all the time too, there is nothing unique to EN vtubing that makes it "worse" than japan

>>33619775
They lied to themselves that they are women in male bodies. Honesty is not their strong suit

>>33618277
>Male x Females interacting is just never funny
More like it's always drama fuel
By gachikois, by fujos, or even by normal viewers if something is wrong and first two categories are not mad
>Either 100% male or 100% female, don't mix them.
This is the way.

>>33620127
Name one reason why should you be seen as less warped than a troon?

>>33620004
but anon... we're here forever

>>33620083
What you're gonna do, amerimutt bitchboy? Crying to moot?

>>33619201
You do realize most people on this board DESPISE actual women, right? Everyone keeps the idea that they're real people far, far away from their mental processes and enjoy the idea that they're watching a cute anime girl that talks to them. Nobody gives a shit about their feelings or their wants if it means moving away from that idea. Get that into your head.

>>33620082
He says whilst posting laplus wumao.

Kek it's so fucking funny that unicorns are trying so hard and failing at that to prevent the changes that are happening around them.

>>33619877
>And she hasn't collabed with a male again in over 2 years
So? what does that matter when she collabed with one before?
>Flare will never do it and still homobeggars keep bitching about her not being with her mama's family for collabs
I'm not one of Flare's fans i'll even respect her right to not want to be a part of those but normally it is natural to see VTuber families do those as a small gesture of signal boost of sorts, I also want to point out that while some people initially might've done this it is not a daily occurrence and you're exaggerating egregiously.

>gets into a hobby pandering to mentally ill otaku who want escapism
>"reeee you're mentally ill, stop doing this thing"
are you retarded?

>>33620160
I'm sorry, but it's already going downhill the moment Ray left and they realized that this is a legit business now

>>33619797
>Western white women ruin fun things
Gura, Kiara, Mumei and Fauna are the best HoloENs

>>33620235
Aww, it thinks it has a soul, and any value. Enjoy making my phones.

>>33620193
>gaymergate 2.0
You are alll just a bunch of white niggers.

>>33620131
>you read it all
you fags are masochists who enjoy people shit talking you and your shitty chuba

>>33620010
>everyone I don't like is in a parasocial relationship
>creates muh parasocial relationship incel boogeyman while crying about a fake boogeyman
>totally not projecting
Genuinely brainless. You're just coping about your delusions, tranny. Also I only watch Tempus, so cope harder.

>>33620245
If that's the case, then they should go back to watching anime

>>33620038
It was people who liked JP culture (+CN) that made Hololive popular in the West, it wasn't Western leftists like you. Your newfaggotry is insane.

>>33620218
Trannies hurt women more than incels and that's a good thing.

>>33620275
>gets into a hobby pandering to mentally ill otaku who want escapism
It does so less and less. That's what angers unicorns.

>>33620309
You aren't even making arguments based on evidence anymore. You're just stating things as if they are fact. I honestly don't know what happened in your life, but you clearly failed to develop logical thinking. I'm sorry about your disability anon. Consider suicide: Modern science cannot fix you.

>>33620290
they are encouraged to be activists and bitches with attitude from a young age

>>33619944
This. These people see it as a mission to not have male and female specific spaces/hobbies and wanna push their values on everyone else. Meanwhile, i don't care what the troons are doing on Twitch or Twitter. I just want to watch the girls have collabs together and not be pressured to collab with males because the mob expects it.
>>33620026
JP side ignores or laughs at these faggots. IF Pekora knew English, she'd be shitting on them non-stop on 5chan.

>>33620347
At least trannies get touched by women.

>>33620193
Playing out of the Rules for Radicals playbook, too. I hate these disingenuous, self-righteous “any means justify the ends” assholes.
They don’t care about Vtubing. They don’t care about Vtubers. All they care about is the self-gratification of their hero complexes. They are empty, and their lives will be filled with that gnawing void.

>>33619547
The irony of saying this on 4chan of all places holy shit.

>>33620334
>leftists
What does this word even mean to you? If you asked let's say your father what he thinks about your relationship with a fuctional character, would his revulsion be caused by leftism?

>>33620334
Guess what, hololive left those idiots too in favor of the new thing which is the HoloEN. You'd be too naive if you expect them to stick with you too.

>>33620334
kizuna ai was a breakout hit in the west well before vtubers even streamed, you can keep trying to project your buzzwords all you want but nothing can change that parasocial niggers are the cancer ruining the medium and this chemo is long overdue

>>33619813
This but unironically. Both anti-unicorns and "unicorns" do not watch streams. They see this issue as an avenue to for them to crusade and force their flavor of mental illness unto others. Tell me, among the people who talk about Kronii in the catalog, how many of them are membered and how many of them SC? Opportunists are using Kronii to push their shit while pretending to have any real stake in the chuuba in question.

You can have all the CGDCT or male collabs all you want, but don't pretend to represent a fanbase of a vtuber you don't even watch. Go watch those chuubas instead.

>>33620437
Anon, that's mean. He clearly doesn't have a father, otherwise he wouldn't be this mentally ill.

>>33620355
are you a woman? this will answer many questions

>>33620218
I don't poison myself with hormones or cut my dick off because of media influence

>>33620463
Yeah you did, otherwise you wouldn't have known about surgery.

>>33620264
>So? what does that matter when she collabed with one before?
It means her mindset changed. It was better for business to drop Maimoto and just collab with the girls. Smart.
>i'll even respect her right to not want to be a part of those
Oh, so high and mighty of you to do so. Fuck off. She has no interest in collabing with them just because the same artist made them. It's just like Utoleech using Ame to get numbers via Nabi-mama.

>>33620462
Nope, and you'll never be one either.
>>33620463
You poison your brain and cut relationships with real people because of media influence.

>>33618647
I could buy this with Ame with her date streams but did Kronii ever do likewise? I always got the sense people fell hard for her natural voice and she always used that bond level gimmick mockingly from the get go.

>>33620463
Instead you poison yourself with your shitty diet. And your dick... does it even matter what you do with it? Aside of constant abuse from you it doesn't get any use.

>>33620330
Even women hate women, you would know this if you weren't a tranny, kek.

>>33620290
>Gura, Kiara, Mumei and Fauna are the best HoloENs
Agreed. They seem to be the only HoloENs I watch these days.

>>33620492
>>33620503
Worst comebacks I've ever seen. He cuts relationships oh no!!!! Cuts relationships I bet you thought that was clever.

>>33620292
If having soul means that I would turn into obese school shooters then I'll take your post as a compliment.

>>33620391
>At least trannies get touched by women
so you have to pander to some of these whores to the point of becoming a tranny, we live in a sad world

This whole thing feels like wokeism in action. A loud portion of minorities who never watch vtubers trying to cancel the original fans by calling them "unicorns". They have no idea about vtuber culture overall and don't even know that EN never collab with other male vtubers before this.

Sooner or later these people will displace all the original fanbase by broadening the definition of "unicorns".

>>33620391
You mean by other trannies (man not a woman) .

>>33620574
Relationships are the reason humanity is the dominant species on this planet. Relationships gave birth to you. Millions of years of evolution end with your sad shriveled form.

>>33620532
Kronii's ASMR stream doesn't help her case.

>>33620574
Look anon I didn't even read your previous replies, I'm just saying that if you went ahead with sex reassignment surgery, it was because of outside influence. Otherwise you wouldn't have have known that was possible at all.

>>33620601
Yes, true conservatism must win!

>>33618266
Consider this: You are a FOTM fickle faggot that jumped onto Vtubing probably during myth, and think you have the god given right to be the moral police of this "hobby" or whatever you wanna call it.
Literally what the fuck are you even doing on 4chan? There are no updoots here for you.
>>33618456
Without the parasocial component, these girls are shockingly boring, and you can consider yourself literally retarded if you actually enjoy their content. This is one of THE WORST forms of entertainment. It is filled with just plain bad gamers, mediocre singers and "artists". If you are not falling for one of the girls and unironically enjoy this shit, consider suicide.

>>33620619
>He doesn't know.

>>33620437
He wouldn't care what I do, because I'm my own person who makes my own decisions without worrying about what other people think.
>>33620457
>breakout
Try "temporary trend" that helped boost Vtubing. Kizuna Ai didn't make the West *seriously* buy into Vtubing. Oh look someone knows Kizuna Ai, can they name another Vtuber other than Siri? No, most of the time.

>>33620502
>It means her mindset changed
Or at least as best you know it has, to that degree since all these threads are spinging up mainly because of Kronii what makes you think she can't "mindest change" later down the roard?
>Utoleech using Ame to get numbers via Nabi-mama
That's a completely different situation from Flare's

>>33620601
YOU'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL FANS YOU WORTHLESS NEWFAGGOT.
I swear we already went over this with the chink who, likewise, claimed Hololive was over without them.

>>33620457
And guess what Kizuna Ai is DEAD nigger. The truth is that everyone is a gachikoi and a unicorn and wants to be pandered to. If you don’t like that type of content then why don’t you go support one of the thousands of 3view indies with that type of content instead of trying to shit upHololive.

>>33620457
Kizuna ai was a flash in the pan that became irrelevant before hololive or nijisanji took off. Why does this board jerk her off so much?

>>33620682
*Shiro

>>33620574
Nigger, you are a shut-in upset about your waifu talking to her coworkers. Yes, it's an own.

>>33620601
Nothing feels organic anymore. The other side are a bunch of freaks, thinking they're changing things for the better.

>>33618950
I mean they were nobodies as indies.

>>33619430
>>33619753
Most hololive members stopped collabing with males because they realized they didn't need them to be hyper-successful.

You will never fit in.
You will never belong.
You will not destroy this female-dominated place that they worked hard to create.

Nijisanji can't even win against Hololive's females-only while having China and the top male vtuber behind them.
We won.

>>33620601
Judging by how OP tried to conflate CGDCT with unicorns, yeah.

>>33619201
>Unicorns are parasocial and care too much
unicorns never cared about the people doing this

>>33618033
tl;dr
go talk to a woman outside

>>33618564
It is normal and it has been normal since the dawn of time. People fell in love with fictional characters since antiquity. Try virtue signaling somewhere else faggot. There are no upvotes on this site.

>>33620695
>celebrating Kizuna Ai's death
>while screeching that his kind will die out soon
kinda ironic, is it not?

>>33620682
Your own father already doesn't give a fuck about you? I am truly sorry.

>>33620691
Why are you even here? /jp/ is that way.

>>33620629
Stop being so chuuni
>>33620636
Anonymous image board. I saw a bad retort and called it out.

>>33620781
>Putting words in his mouth

>>33620783
Sigh newfag

>>33620601
Anon, the original hololive fans loved it when they collabed with nijisanji dudes. Saying that the -original- hololive fans are people that hate men is absolutely insane. If you're talking about fans that got into hololive during the idolfication in 2020-21, then no, they aren't the original hololive fans.

>>33620776
Yeah, and those people were made fun of for that. F a g g o t.

>>33620503
The reason people watch Vtubers is to get away from real life dramas and politics, but you want to contaminate this medium with your subversive influence. Don't complain when some crazy incel takes troons to the afterlife because they have lost their only refuge

>>33620601
it is, most of these "people" are twitterfags

>>33619030
Wow you guys don't even know why Kronii went on break, do you? Management bonked her for one week, because she decided to argue in a clippers video and no it wasn't 'unicorns' that she was arguing with.

>>33620783
Your retorts make you sound like a redditor.

>>33620837
>F a g g o t
holy mother of leddit tourists. at least try to make yourself less obvious. kys tranny.

>>33620841
>Don't complain when some crazy incel takes troons to the afterlife because they have lost their only refuge
Hey at least they will do something with their worthless lifes.

I just came here to see whats the issue since years it been recomended to stay away from 4chan because... this.. now i get why its recomended to stay away from 4chan even as a really small minority its a really sad and deranged part of the fandom. Its really sad even as just a few some people lose their common sense and belive they have some power by showing this displays of toxicity and bad attitude. The only good part is that they cant really show this outside here they would be chewed on by hundreds of people if they expose themself.

>>33620695
because people that can watch mixed gender interaction without losing their minds aren't the people shitting up hololive, we're the original fans. You, the spergs who have cuck fantasies then get mad at the vtuber for your own imagination, are unarguably the newfags, the people ruining content for everyone else, the ones who need to leave.

>>33620664
have you considered that it's "boring" because they're forced to play everything safe for the manchildren that can't cope with the fact that their virgin waifu is over the age of 16 and will shit themselves if they tell a joke that adults would enjoy

>>33620750
>we
You aren’t part of hololive

>>33620887
Don't let the door hit your scrawny ass on the way out, reddit tourist.

>>33618033
Twitter trannies have no valid response to this

>>33620836
Dude you don't even have your dates correct lmao. Lurk.

>>33620887
Go back

>>33620883
Yes, I am the troon for making fun of a failed miscarriage afraid people who sound like his school bullies are invading his waifu safeheaven. Nigger, you are sad.

>>33618506
Definitely a woman

>>33620887
I say this as an anti unicorn, and I think they will agree with me:
Go back.

>>33620887
go fucking away I don't need your faggot ass to shit up an already shit argument

>>33620836
That’s why it never ever happened again even to this day, right? Because you’re such a true epic oldfag fan and every Hololive fan thought like you, right?

>>33619030
The difference is that if its only very few people then its not fair or accurate to blame the fanbase or any general segment of it for the harassment or any of the consequences of that harassment.

>>33620900
Disingenuous as fuck buddy, we all know it's not the "original fans" who are anti-unicorn moral crusading right now

>>33620887
Consider this, normie faggot. Pokimane is famous for the exact same reason why some of these girls are famous, and she used to hide her relationship status for a long time until she got big enough to not care anymore.
Of course, after that happens, they can only turn it around by saying "I was afraid", while mercelessly collecting thousands of dollars from simps.
People that you complain about, literally improved the lifestyle of god knows how many talentless whores, just because they acted cute on stream.

>>33620836
Best post in the thread

>>33620917
See? Exacly my point. Do you feel strong now buddy? Does it makes you feel like youre a big boy teaching a lesson? >>33620917

>>33619030
Nobody told them to join Hololive and exploit lonely men. Now bear the consequences

>>33619204
>Real life
except they use virtual avatars and aliases and make up, key word make up, lore about their persona.

>>33620945
>m-maybe if I say nigger they won’t think of me a tourist anymore

What if I like GFE but also just find mixed gender collabs boring (Roberu being an exception)? I'm not melting down over collabs but I don't particularly like them either. Does that make me a unicorn?

Discord trannies seething in full force I see.

>>33619328
Because, the viewers probably don't have many cross gender conversations irl.

>>33620968
Don’t you know, anon? You have original sin. Yes, you are responsible for Pekora’s dead monkey.

Bros stop, they run-out of arguments 50 posts ago, they'll will start posting wojaks soon.

>>33620968
there are probably 2 or three fags harassing but they manage to freakout over a nothing burger which motivates me to stir the fire even more

>>33620945
Holy projection, I feel bad for you so have a (you)

>>33621025
Oh yes, only a reddit troon commie jew could think you are a pathetic waste of space. Throwing your neetbucks on a pretend girlfriend is totaly based.

>>33620900
>have you considered that it's "boring" because they're forced to play everything safe for the manchildren
Hololive is not the only Vtubing company, and Vtubing, just like manga or anime is not only for children. There are many different Vtubers that do all kinds of content without the limitations of a big corpo, and even they are extremely rare, when it comes to actually being entertaining.
Face it, talentless whores just jumped on the bandwagon to earn a quick buck. Hence the downgrade in the quality of talents everywhere. ESPECIALLY big corpos that prefer a "safe" and bland cute girl, rather than someone than would make waves, like Haachama or Noraneko for example.

Hey.
You scrolling.
You that clicked on this thread and thought "based".

Do you ever wonder what yourself from 5 years ago would think if they saw you now? What advice would he give you?

>>33620997
Most of them are, and it's been tiring seeing faggots organizing on discords to bring threads to their knees every time a vtuber lets the act slip even a little bit, this beating you're taking is long overdue, you just need to ow your head and accept it now

>>33620887
Go back to your upvote downvote hugbox where all your opinions will be validated. I'm not a unicorn but this condescending bullshit coming from you outsiders always pisses me off. /vt/ and 4chan at large isn't your personal zoo retard. Don't pull your armchair psychology on us

There'll be peer pressures for holos that don't want to collab with males now that the management greenlit the dick hungry holos and the boys to organize daily mixed collabs. And they have reddit+twitter to gaslight on those who don't want to collab with males.

They will all collab with Tempus.

>>33619392
or you could go watch nijis if you want male and female collabs so much

>>33620997
I'm not moral crusading. I've coexisted in this board (and in /jp/) with these people and I never felt the need to berate them for being mentally ill, because they weren't bothering anyone, for the most part. Now, they've become entitled, are breaking containment and are being toxic to the talents, so I see no issue with treating them the same way we treated the chinks. Go away from whence you came. If you want to keep supporting the girls who still pander to you, you're more than welcome, but stop being cunts to the rest. Hololive's already made their decision.

>>33621032
It doesn't but make sure you give this EXACT explanation every time you complain about one or you're going to be called one anyway.

>>33621105
Invest in crypto, tell your friend to check for cancer.

>>33620836
Really? Why'd they stopped collabing. If they listened to the original fans, they surely would have kept collabing with each other.

These troons gather on discord to raid. Since the Kronii incident this board is infested with HIV positive fags

>>33618033
QRD on Gen 3? what happened during their debut that changed the course of Hololive? Is it also true that Hololive started booming during Gen 3 (thus the golden generation thing)?

>>33620900
>have you considered that it's "boring" because they're forced to play everything safe for the manchildren that can't cope with the fact that their virgin waifu is over the age of 16 and will shit themselves if they tell a joke that adults would enjoy
Do you think Veibae is entertaining? I don't. You sound like the kind of person who thinks Amy Schumer talking about her digusting rotting vagina is hilarious

>>33620997
Are the tourists in SEAnigger discords that use this opportunity to shit on the girls original fans? We could probably have a more conclusive discussion if we didn't have bad actors of all sides to muddy the waters.

>>33621161
Because actual fans respect the girls wishes whatever they be, male collabs cool, don't want to do them ever again? alright, change your mind? cool.

You don't get it.

>>33621171
Anon, you dropped these.

>>33621132
How pray tell is any of that going to affect Gura who doesn’t read Twitter or Reddit and members like Fauna and Kiara who straight up just don’t care

>>33621105
Move on newfag, try lurking more

I just want to continue enjoying the content that has been the same for over a year and not have the feeling of it change. If you were going to do cross gender collabs you should have made that clear from the start and did it from the start, not wait until you have constructed a fanbase that expects you not to do that.

>>33621132
>They will all collab with Tempus.
Oh no boys! Cuckocaust is comming!

>>33620900
>we're the original fans
Kizuna AI went idol route. Mito is a nobody who is hiding from her retarded normalfag "fans". Seethe you fucking faggot, Hololive is the best, biggest and most watched vtuber company in the world because it's vtubing idolmaster and it will remain that way

>>33620097
Then she admitted to being maidenless herself (coping that she has Kronii so isn't maidenless).

>>33621132
Kiara already BTFOed a supa begging for collabs

>>33621144
>no collabs with males
>no toxicity
Easy

>>33621133
I don't have to. I can watch Hololive for that nowadays.

>>33621120
And by this i guess youre opinion is more valid yes? You feel better than other just cause you live in this place? Keep hiding in here for all i care thats the best you people can do anyway. If youre only motive of existance is to make everyone around you unconfortable yeah hiding in this dump is the only place you guys have left anyway. Enjoy it.

>>33620887
Really? You like the fact that other opinions get silenced like they are on reddit through downvotes? Don’t you think that creates dangerous filter bubbles?
People here just tell their opinion openly, that isn’t toxic to me, that’s exactly how the real world is and should be. No likes or downvotes to dictate others without actually enganing with the comment. The only thing you can do here is have a discourse, you can’t just rule over everyone with votes or likes, this must frustrate you right?

>>33621217
Sadly very soon your chuuba will stream EXCLUSIVLY with hunky boys and she will LOVE IT. She will become a TEMPUS COCK CONCUBINE.

>>33621265
>no coco
>no toxicity
Yeah, Hololive already tried appeasing people like you, and it doesn't work. You're not more powerful than the chinks. You're not going to win.

>>33621144
As a CGDCT enjoyer, I’d be fine with that if it went both ways AND I didn’t get conflated with actual unicorns. Until then, both groups are making this MY problem as well.

>>33618033
You're the man

>>33621187
How come they don't collab anymore

>u-unicorns are bunch of incels

>>33621097
Some HoloEN girls try to make waves but this board shits on them anyway.

>>33621282
I love my time here. Now you can go back to your discord

>>33621341
Because more fans means more money, even if it means shitting all over what the former fans wanted. This happened before with Hololive's idol principles, and is happening again with EN's western fans' love for male collabs.

>people are more concern about Kronii lying to her fanbase than the male collab
>questioning the integrity of the chuuba and the responsibility of entertainers to their fans which are their customers
>"it is the incels that ruined the industry! Hololive fans are over!"
Feels like goober gum 2.0

>>33621322
I mean, I'm a fellow CGDCT enjoyer. That's why I kept watching hololive through the years. I don't want cross gender collabs to be the norm, I just don't want the girls to be afraid of how the schizos will react to them.

>>33621282
This "dump" is one of the few places left where people can have unfiltered opinions.
You wanna complain about something related to a talent? Too bad, you cant do it on reddit, twitter, or any other place where discussion is supposedly "encouraged". Even mild criticism will get downvoted or just plain deleted and you will get trannies spamming L+ratio.
Dont pretend like you have real opinions. Your whole existence is "sticking it" to someone else just because you're a part of the majority. And you do this with everything on a very superficial level. You are the slacktivists of the worst kind that jump from FOTM to FOTM without actually doing anything but trying to feel good about your own miserable lives.

>>33621018
Realize that you’re crying over being insulted for the site you use, while almost all redditors would immediately call everyone on 4chan any buzzword from the textbook.
So don’t be so butthurt, there are no upvotes and downvotes here to consolidate your insecure ass.

>>33621349
What am I even looking at here and why do you have it?

>>33621390
Should have gatekept harder.

>>33618033
>Why do you dislike male collabs?
>cute girls doing cute things
It's funny you guys say that because now that corpo male EN vtubers are a thing you guys want them all to pander to brotuber beggars and not do anything that appeals to a female audience. Why can't we have cute boys doing cute things too? A lot of us are on your side with this and want females to stick with females and males to stick with males.

>>33620900
We aren’t ruining anything for anyone else. What’s happening is that niggers like YOU are coming into Hololive and shitting it up with your anti-idol crap. This was the MO for years and now you faggots want to ruin it like you ruined the rest of Western media.
And you never watched Kizuna you fucking retard
Shut the fuck up

>>33620931
Does that change what I'm trying to say at all?

>>33621196
Omegay will make sure they get the memo.

>>33621318
Yesterday Pekora got 100k+ and HoloEN doesn't get past 40k+ even on her birthday. Unicorns have already won and will not allow Hololive to become Nijisanji

>>33621410
>Even mild criticism will get downvoted or just plain deleted and you will get trannies spamming L+ratio.
If you don't dare to have your oppinions in public you do not have oppinions.

>>33621282
If this makes you uncomfortable you’re just scared of real life and other opinions.
You are in a hugbox of yesmen and will never get out.

>>33621179
If you jump to the most vapid example you can find sure, there's plenty of smaller indies/corps that give an "old internet" feel without too much reliance on sex humor

>>33621303
there's more ways to filter retarded opinions than through le downvotes, bullying someone until they shut up or started typing through their tears used to be common but the modern post-election shitter has no shame in just pulling out his phone and desperately trying to keep acting like he's right in the face of total humiliation

HERE'S WHY *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* WE SHOULD *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SWALLOW* MALE*SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP*

>>33621282
I come here so I can actually converse with the schizos, the unicorns, and whatever else. Everywhere else anything a little outside the line is downvoted to hell, censored, and ignored. In 4chan you actually get to talk to people who have different opinions on something instead of just jerking eachother off. You may lack the ability to see different people as human beings and empathising with them, but I don't. Go back.

Ay we reached the bump limit.

>>33621454
>This was the MO for years
No it hasn't been you larping prick, the earlier gens used to collab with niji males frequently.

>>33621524
Those are the EXACT sounds your chuuba is gonna make. Your tiny, pathetic cocklet cannot compare to MASSIVE FAT and VEINY BROTUBER COCK.

>>33621474
No you don’t understand. The problem isn’t how you personally feel about it. The problem is that others will be influenced by the hivemind.
You could make a long, sensible argument on Twitter, if the first reply is a 4 word catchphrase that gets ten times the likes and retweets, then people are not going to take your own comment as serious anymore even if they didn’t directly disprove anything.

>>33621562
>used to

>>33621587
....*SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP* *SLURP*

>>33621454
>when we subverted vtubing it was good
>noooo you can't just fix it, you must be one of those western subversives who are totally on /vt/

>>33621474
Ok so you are actually retarded.
>Anything not approved by the PC culture is bad and you better not have any other opinions.
Good to know who are we arguing with here.

I simply think both sides should kill themselves for trying to coerce the talent for acting one way or another.
>NOOOOO, YOU CAN'T EVEN MENTION A MALE BECAUSE I SEE THEM AS A RIVAL TO OUR LOVE!
>YAAAASSS GUUUURL, SHOW THESE INCEL CHUDS HOW MUCH YOU CAN CREEP THEM OUT BY DOING CONTENT YOU DON'T WANT!
How about just shutting up and finding someone that caters to your viewpoints?

>>33621462
Yes it does. You dont even know what you're talking about. Hololive was never anti idol.

>>33621468
Are you fucking serious? Pekora is a meme machine, she's the most normie-friendly chuuba in the world, it has nothing to do with unicorns.

>>33621562
What a stupid post. Did you even read it?

>>33619568
>Hololive isn't your fucking safespace
>It's a fucking business model
This is the root of the problem. The business model of hololive used to be selling a "safespace", but post-EN ironic hololive fans look at that concept with contempt, and so demand that it changes. Eventually, once they've changed it beyond all recognition, they will simply drop it and move on to the next fad without ever understanding their own parasitic nature.

>>33621612
TEMPUS COCK will breed holos LIVE ON THE AIR.
in front of EVERYONE.
Pathetic CRIES of unicorns will be silenced by POWERFUL ERUPTION of potent brotuber CUM.

>>33621407
A sane and rational attitude. I’ll assume you mean the “fear of a potential hassle” rather than literal fear. And I will reiterate that that’s fine, but it goes both ways. I don’t want homobeggars harassing my oshi to collab with men as much as I don’t want unicorns harassing her about collabs with twink cat boys during conventions. Of course, only one of those things has happened in my memory.

>>33621630
>Both sides arguing with eachother not wanting to compromise or even listen to one another
This have become an extension of American politics.

This thread only tells me that Cute Girls Doing Cute Things genre is a mistake. Never understood the appeal of it and I watched Lucky Star and K-On.

sorry but all I care about is fucking with Whoro Baloney and it seems like it's working for me so I'll keep doing it, thank you guys for the energy to keep me pushing forward. fucking whore.

>>33621689
>their own parasitic nature
You spend needbux on superchat.

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>>33621468
You are a newfag to Japan as a whole if you don’t understand why pekora got so many views yesterday

>>33621619
>vtubing
This is about hololive you worthless cunt. Nobody that likes hololive is stopping you from enjoying nijisanji or whatever other vtubing model you enjoy, you're blatantly an invasive anti.

>>33621729
you're mass replying that like I don't already know that, nigger.
If i wanted quality discussion I'd go somewhere else and not shitpost on an Ethiopian farming forum

Now Kronii contents are gonna be nothing but male collab streams, boring indie game streams and boring fotm game streams. Bitch literally doesn't have any selling point other than Wada's sex model, and she couldn't utilize it for anything other than gachi pandering streams, something that she has already sworn off to own da haterz.

>>33619204
>Real life is not anime. Deal with it. Plus anime like Lucky Star and Nichijou had guys.
Vtubers aren't real life either, but personally I don't think vtubers should have to be held to that standard since they're real people.
>Lucky star
So old doesn't fit the same standard as modern cgdct
>Nichijou
More of a comedy with cute girls in it
>Encouraging mental illness is a bad thing.
Being romantically attracted to a character or ever person online isn't a mental illness.
>And we can mock you for your retarded complaints.
Both sides hate each other what's new?
>Just let me be an incel!
No one wants to be an incel, involuntary is in the name
>Allowing people like you to be delusional leads to fuckers burning down Kyoani.
This is such a bullshit statement that it sounds like you're bating. That guy didn't have anything to do with cgdct and was an actual criminal. No one who actually liked cgdct would do something so evil.
>Festering in a parasocial relationship with someone who doesn't know you exist is sick. You aren't somehow special because of it. You are a deviant. Consider suicide.
This statement is more telling of your sickness more than anyone who has a parasocial relationship, which is completely different than being deluded into thinking someone you don't know actually loves you.
Telling people to kill themselves is a true sign of mental illness. But I know you're baiting.

>>33621705
trying to emulate it in vtubing definitely was, especially because SEA fans try to hold ENs to a standard not even JPs or real idols have to deal with. God forbid they don't live in an all-female bubble, even the mention of a male delivery man or office worker is enough to set them into a retarded frenzy

>>33621753
In the current market, especially for EN, hololive defines vtubing by how big it is. All the dumb shit from their fandoms flows downstream to the rest and causes problems. Purityfags are non-arguably the invasive cancer no matter how you try to contort, it was better before you showed up and it'll be better when you've left

>>33621857
Anon don't take twitternigga bait.

>>33621949
SEA fans like talent freedom, most replies on Kronii's tweet are SEAs

>>33621949
>it'll be better when you've left
Never leaving, leddit tourist

>>33621699
I don't really think there's much difference between those fears. When you're dealing with an online mob, the anxiety it causes you is just as real, even if there's no real world threat. You just have to look at the Taiwan yab and how hard several of the talents took it to see that.
And yeah, I don't want people harassing other chuubas to get them to collab with eachother. That's always been the rule and those breaking it are newfags, regardless if they're requesting collabs with the homos or otherwise. But let's not pretend the harassment has come from a single side.

>>33621949
>Thinks holoEN defines vtubing
>Calls literally anyone else an invasive cancer
The fucking state of you bitches.

>all they can do now is project their redditor roots and ignore reality
lemao

>>33621638
Yeah? That doesn't change the fact that they constantly collabed with men, and nobody had a problem with that until later on. Don't ever call yourself an original fan you fucking poser.

>>33622179
>nobody had a problem with that
They did. That's why they stopped collabing with them eventually.

>>33622179
>constantly

>>33621949
>hololive defines vtubing (culture)
>hololive is currently changing to look more like nijisanji
Please take a logic class.

>>33622197
If they did, those collabs would have been bombarded with dislikes. Which they weren't.

>>33622179
According to Yagoo, hololive exploded in popularity because it became an idol company, because that's what the fans wanted. He said this, word for word, on video, only a few weeks ago.

>>33622179
Yes I'm the poser because I actually know what words mean. I also dont remember saying they never collabed with men.

>>33622235
A lot of them were.

>>33622249
Anon you're admitting that NEW fans came in because they became an idol company. The people that came in AFTER they became an idol company by definition are not original fans.

>>33622201
>the nijification meme again
holoEN is just becoming more like JP now that they have their own same language stars branch, you're just parroting the narrative from people that don't speak japanese

>>33622235
>Which they weren't.
Way to out yourself as a larpgin newfag

>>33622235
And yet they stopped hmmm

>>33621474
>If you don't dare to have your oppinions in public you do not have oppinions.
How much of a stupid retard you have to be to post this on a anonymous forum, fucking clueless.

Used to collab with males =/= will collab with males

>>33622345
You fucking moron. Yes. They stopped doing it. Because NEW fans that dislike male collabs give more money than the original fans.

>>33622309
>holoEN is just becoming more like JP
This is the most disingenuous reddit narrative in this whole debacle, it's so blatantly fucking false that it's just boring seeing it regurgitated at this point.

I feel like I'm surrounded by newfag ESLs that have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

>>33622309
>all of jp is matsuri
ogey moment

>>33622355
The point is that they did so there's not reason bitching about "purity" or whatever. It means you lost the game before you even started with those girls

>>33622010
I disagree. Real world threats trump online reee-ing. The Taiwan thing is also inherently different; the CCP is no joke when it wants to accomplish something. I’ll give you that both of the loudest factions of this issue are comprised of people just as mentally unstable, but they are mostly without the means to act upon anything in a damaging way.
And I have readily admitted that I have problems with both extremes. I wouldn’t be here if the OP didn’t try to conflate me with unicorns in the first place; I don’t want to be a part of this, but they are dragging me into it.
My oshi is a bit of a special case, so that probably biases my opinion a bit. She has made her position pretty clear, so forgive me if I have only noticed one side over the other.

>>33622374
You're watching omegay psyops in action. They're trying to distort facts and numbers everywhere to their agenda.

>>33622374
>>33622423
Matsuri isn't the only JP that's collabed with stars, define the difference in something besides "they're japanese so it's ok." Laughing at jokes isn't flirting either so i'll nip that in the bud right now too

>>33622447
People who are not unicorns trying to tell unicorns what is ok is like atheists trying to tell Christians what is ok in christianity. You just come off as stupid.

>>33622447
The only person talking about "purity" here is you, nobody else gives a fuck that some of the holos who don't interact with males now, did so 4 years ago.

>>33622489
>define the difference
EN, despite being much smaller, is going to have more collabs with the homos in a couple of months after the ban was lifted (early) than JP has had in the last year. This creates a male/female interaction ratio that is many, many times higher in EN.

>>33622447
no one here is talking about "purity" retard, we're not unicorns. Not wanting male collabs doesn't make you a unicorn

>>33622512
I'm not trying to tell them what's ok by their rules, i'm trying to tell them their entire system is wrong and they need to feel shame and correct instead of aggressively holding onto their weak mentality. grow the fuck up

>>33622613
that's because westerners are more willing to have platonic interaction, they will be more common, the actual content of the collabs is what's important

>>33622489
I dont know what you're trying to prove. I could just say that I dont watch ones that have collabed with males. Meanwhile it's looking like all of en will.

>>33622808
given you came after the holocaust, you're probably watching a holo that collabed with males and you'll never know

>>33622808
The day Kiara collabs with a male is the day I know Cover is fucking around forcing collabs.