/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Looks like easy gura gold today.

bots

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>96,590: Pekora (Hololive)
>34,767: Miko (Hololive)
>30,866: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,169: Lamy (Hololive)
>24,243: Miko (Hololive)
>20,865: Luna (Hololive)
>18,737: Fubuki (Hololive)
>18,679: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>18,469: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>17,353: Koyori (Hololive)
>16,023: Mio (Hololive)
>15,971: Polka (Hololive)
>15,890: Korone (Hololive)
>15,840: Runa (VSPO)
>14,554: Sora (Hololive)
>14,270: GatchmanV (Indie)
>13,478: Chloe (Hololive)
>13,170: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>12,392: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>11,723: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,632: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,386: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,085: Lui (Hololive)
>10,983: Ame (Hololive)
>10,911: Leos (Nijisanji)
>10,631: NeruMero (Indie)

the last unicorn

miko baby

So there are 2 main point for Pekora number to peak today
>Caster Cu Chulainn encounter
>Olga death
Olga death will most likely peak higher

>>33616759
How much did they sell, what's the margins there? Need i remind you we're talking about financials anon? You sure they're not actually losing money on that?

>>33616969
>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50.041 - Holocure
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 36.779 - Persona 4 Golden
12) Miko (Hololive) - 38.454 - Rust
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43.118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34.041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59.604 - Karaoke
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87.402 - 3D Showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81.240 - KZHCUP in PUBG Day2
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92.264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96.590 - Fate Grand Order

>PER COMPANY
17x: Hololive
2x Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
4x: Pekora
3x: Miko
2x: Ayame, Marine
1x: Botan, Fuwa, Gura, Moona, Nijisanji Sora, Subaru, Suisei

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
168x: Hololive
84x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
34x: Pekora
17x: Miko
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome
10x: Nijisanji, Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Moona, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

Does this thread only discuss numbers without discussing why they get those numbers?
Because I know anons discuss why someone or something gets those numbers.

/#/ is declining

>>33616780
Where the fuck did I say she's idol-like? Also she clearly likes to play with her female senpai more than the Stars, so yeah.
>>33616840
Only occasionally but yes, I do. Started with Black Mesa and currently watching her HL2 playthorugh and Rust streams when I catch her live.

https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1571816409813774336
https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1571816409813774336
numbers?

So if the financial report is real then I think there’s only one actual winner and that is the “NijiJP is fucking useless” schizo

>>33616937
>easy

>>33616976

>>33617051
hey man

>>33617069
They better mix it well.

>>33617050
We do
But only if number are out of the ordinary

>>33616908
/news/ roundup for 19-09-2022
>>33557988
Recent clip numbers
>>33543741
>>33543786
>>33544452
>>33544625

Back to number talk
>Ame king sitting at 630k after 5 days
>Kiara's Do U original at 350k after 2ish days
>Calli's new original sitting at 52k after 3 hours
>Bae's original sitting at 431k after 3 weeks
>Bae/Mumei preydatory cover sitting at 261k after 3 days
apart from Ame's, which one had the best results?

>>33617069
40-45k

>>33617050
This this is full hindsight fanfiction writing anon. Just get the numbers and make your own conclusion out of it.

>>33617073
He was right in the end. NijiJP is useless while NijiEN is carrying the whole company.

>>33617050
if you discuss context here people respond with COPE
for either holo or niji, you only ever get to state your prediction and rationale beforehand, otherwise it's just excuses

(of course if the stream you're predicting gets surprise guerilla overlapped that's probably the biggest ethical cope)

>>33617069
Poor post producer

>>33617130
Bae has a new original?

>>33617069
>Salome singing

>>33617130
Animal fucking died holy...

>>33617069
premiere ccv? 30k floor.

>>33617051
https://youtu.be/QF1ArApWvdQ?t=224

>>33616095
... okey? they got more money? how's any of that helping their talents?
Their 3D has gone to absolute shit, actually regressing from how it used to be, their EN recruiting program took apparently 30k applications and somehow thought fucking iLuna were what they needed for the brand. They're putting strong collab groups like Dokuzuhonsha and SMCgumi into fucking idol groups and having them do shit tier singing rather than the bantz filled collabs that are their strength.

Who's your niji oshi anyway? Bet you don't have one. Bet you're just shitposting without understanding a single thing. Bet you'll just ignore this comment or reply with some form of projection again.
Why do I even bother...

>>33616976

>>33617069
I'll bite, lots of her old tourists will be interested.
50k

>>33617217
Can it beat ROF-MAO? Like the most popular unit in NijiJP

>>33617069
Is this premiere or live?

>>33616976
cute baby, i wonder if there's an Among Us costume piece based off her?

>>33617227
>how's any of that helping their talents?
Its not their job to help the talents though. The talents need to help themselves. The companies only goal is to make money.

>>33617051
hey meng

>>33617161
context IS cope
its like explaining a joke, if you have to do it then it doesn't work.
Same thing with numbers, if you have to convince someone that they're actually Inclining because x y and z, then they most likely aren't.

>>33617284
First time buff. But it cannot beat ROFLMAO.

September events

Hololive
16) Subaru anniversary, Moona 3D debut
17) Iofi 3D debut
18) Risu 3D debut, Gura 3D live
20) HoloID mini 3D live

Nijisanji
16) Kuzuhacup
17) Kuzuhacup
18) CRcup (Kuzuha)
28) Kuzuhaday
30) Nijifes fantasia

>>33617130
>Bae's original
That was a cover anon

>>33617266

>>33617050
wdym everytime there's a discussion about the reason behind the numbers it always followed by debates full of insult and stuff, Pretty common here.

When is the Among Us x Hololive thing happening?

>>33617099
Is this thread funny enough?

>>33617345
but people ignore the joke on purpose

>>33617007
Sold decently well on Steam, but sales for the game have been open for a while on Holo's official store. We'll never get those numbers and it was definitely higher there.

>>33617433
still too early to call

>>33617345
>if you have to convince someone that they're actually Inclining because x y and z, then they most likely aren't.
That is an awful reasoning. If I say Enna is inclining because of her increasing ccv but is not convinced and I still have to show x=ccv before inclining, y=ccv after inclining and z=graph trends, then Enna did not incline?

>>33617492
Cope

>>33617073
>>33617143
No, he's not. Nijisanji still is bigger by far. They only have an advantage on individual revenue, but over time this will get smaller

>>33617130
Kiara probably, but Mori's just an MV release for a song that's been out for a while. Bae's song also isn't an original.

>>33617006
>1x Azki
Huh??

>>33617227
>Their 3D has gone to absolute shit, actually regressing from how it used to be, their EN recruiting program took apparently 30k applications
where the fuck this 30k comes from? No one on EN ever said anything about number of auditions
>They're putting strong collab groups like Dokuzuhonsha and SMCgumi into fucking idol groups and having them do shit tier singing rather than the bantz filled collabs that are their strength.
No they aren't, what the fuck are you talking about retard

>>33617227
>any of that helping their talents
That is irrelevant, why would anyone think it is is beyond me, they're in the business of advertising/promoting/merchandising. If they has 30k applicants, way more than enough, they can probably save a lot by not doing things that would increase that number.

>Who's your niji oshi anyway
Never watched a niji stream, never have I implied I did in any of my posts. I just watch charts and read reports

>>33617561
How new are you? She got it from her live concert

>>33617561
Azki live funneled by PekoMiko

>>33617530
Yeah NijiEN is already contracting. EN got a really strong boost off a high point for the branch in Q1. iluna is also a fucking pit.

So what now?

>>33617613
NijiEN is only "contracting" because of iluna. If all of iluna graduates, they would be way higher.

>>33617639
We kiss each other.

>>33617639
xqc is live so I'm checking the drama buff.

>>33617006
Damn gura have 5 daily gold despite not spamming stream? Imagine if she try.

>>33617639
Laugh at ENsharts

>>33617653
not true

> ongoing streams on vrabi
VSPO is proving to be quite strong, aren't they?

>>33617530
No wonder why Riku wanted to accelerate on the English market. But Iluna did not do as well as expected.

I am incredibly whelmed but this graph after the weeks worth of drama she's put out

>>33617639
pray for something exciting to happen in JP time or just go to bed

>>33617602
With Sora and Suisei buff.

>>33617639
Predict ID1 3D Live

It's funny to me how this is a numbers thread but Anycolor making lots of money offend you all. You guys would be terrible business analysts if you think about all of this bs and not about numbers. no wonder you guys cant read financial reports kek

>>33617653
No. Luxium is falling and most of them are stagnant. iluna is just the big joke on top of it all.

>>33617724
What is the highest stream in holoID channel?

>>33617668
>30k in 8 minutes

>>33617728
Nijiseethe

>>33617653
>>33617691
anon you know nijisanji right. if iluna did well or not, they still would put more vtubers in the market. fucking kr and id got what 5 waves?

>>33617728
Who are you talking about?

very peaceful, all the cope washed away by the almighty filter

>>33617728

>>33617575
NTA
>where the fuck this 30k comes from? No one on EN ever said anything about number of auditions
Our sisters here spread that info. Do you mean that the number is just made up?

>Chainsaw man - Main trailer
19 hours ago : 5M views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4yLeNt-kCU

Those are very nice numbers

>>33617728
I mean yeah good for them but I could not care less. I only care about the number of people I watch and I certainly don’t watch a fucking corpo lol
Only reason I even care about corpo is because my chuuba will be in trouble if they are in trouble

>>33617824
Gura mogged, Q mogged.

>>33617724
>Still no waiting room
20-30k

>>33617802
yes, its made up, because no one in nijien ever said this LMAO why anyone would say this kind of data

>>33617798
>China boogeyman
Obsessed. Kson went to Vshojo, You lost.

>>33617824
Imagine if mappa animate gura.

>>33617069
1m 7 hrs. TIK TOK REFLECT

>>33617851
you are in the wrong thread then, faggot

>>33617668
Any new developments in the drama?

>>33617915

>>33617728
Niji is making money? I know their financial statements showed they were supposedly making more money than cover but their Cashflow showed they weren't investing any of that money into projects or paying off investors from what I remember.
A company that hoards money doesn't mean it's doing good if they're not willing to re-invest that money for future/Long-term projects

>>33617931
What? Because I don’t care about corpo number like you?
Go discuss that with people who care then, why reply to me?

>>33617745
Holofest digest movie premiere, only 8k

Can any ID agency replicate the success of HoloID 3D showcases?

>>33618003
sheesh. 30k then, 40k if Pekora tries to funnel(which I doubt will even work since its fucking gacha tourists)

>>33617851
I don't understand what's wrong with these people to be step all over each other to show who loves more the brand.

>>33617728
What really ticked me off is not the Anycolor profit, but considering the idea that Cover embezzled money when the financial documents showed why Cover incurred such high expenses.
And they claim to be knowledgeable about financial documents when they did not even read it in the first place.

>>33617915
Shoo shoo

Lmao

>>33617989
Don't you understand? Bigger number, good. Lower number, bad. Ignore everything else that could suffer because of it.

>>33617944
Nothing new really, streamers are just cycling on the reactions of other streamers on the drama for content and numbers.

>>33618035
It’s Nijisis deflecting to corpo vs corpo every time their livers lose

>>33618097
Like that negrito saying context is cope

>>33618034
Pekora have at least 30k to funnel no matter how high she get

Holy shit anycolor stocks will plummet tomorrow. It's on pace for 60-80% correction.

>>33618072
I wonder if that moron knows or even care which of those numbers are money that go to their livers. This is especially damning if you consider how many there are compared to hololive

Discussing how much money is invested back to their workforce, to lengthen their service life, is cope and does not belong in the numbers thread, they say.

>>33617985
>>33618074
>lose Coco, she goes to Vshojo and now you call her a traitor whore
>impotently sperg at Niji for not fucking up and losing the China market like holo
Holobros I don't feel so good

Take care of your liver. Don't drink too much alcohol.

>>33618080
And they made more this time.

>>33617419
Probably not til after next week given that Kiara is trying to quickly make an Among Us collab this or next week to get in on the hype/leech the event.

its over holobros...

>>33618172
Yeah you have to factor the Main channel debuff. Also they might just speak Indo and filter it more. But who knows I want to see the frame first.

>>33617130
Baes song is a cover and Moris is an MV for one of the songs off her March album. I don’t understand how Camellia could do such a good job on the UnAlive rracks and then turn around and put out the UmiSea songs.

>>33618187
It is, Amazon is a household name and one of the biggest corpo ever not because they reinvested on their workforce. Meanwhile 80% of new businesses fail every year, alot of them are due to unwise investments into their workforce

>>33618178
I wonder what happened on Sept 14th for them to spike

Did anyone get stabbed yet?

>>33618263
Risu wasted the PekoMiko funnel…

>>33618028
It's possible for Alterly

>>33618218
>Not fucking up
Tell that to the Vox after making a fucking yo mama joke.

>>33618297
Was it not the annual report release?

>>33617781

>>33618112
Unironically because Anycolor > Cover in any way you try to put it

>>33618218

>>33618218
>Bringing up Niji out of the blue
>Fickle CN audience leaving NijiCN
kys faggot

>>33618381
Certainly not in number of chairs though

>>33618366
Quarterly report. Annual report was months ago

>>33618320
Imagine if gura have that kind of funnel.

>>33617561

>>33618381
watch them deflect on how nijisanji didnt help the medical bill of one of their vtuber ad if its the companies job to pay the medical bill

>>33617798
kek

>>33618459
Azki Tsuyoi

>>33617069
> niji mixing
I'm not optimistic

>>33618381
Soooo is that it? Ok you win the bragging rights

>Nijisanji inclining
>NijisanjiEN inclining
>Anycolor inclining
>Hololive inclining
>Hololive English reclining
>Cover corp reclining
just nuke that branch

>>33617530
also this is a quarterly spike due to lazulight + obsudia anniversaries as well as Pomu's birthday and a bunch of off collabs all being crammed into a single quarter.
The graph will return back to normal in the next quarter.

>>33618437
Wasn't that when they released the weird Niji projection graph with growth rates that would double in size by 2023?

>>33617728
I mean, you can whine about it, or you can try to do the job yourself like picrel

>>33618459
Hololive is too strong

>71k
>xqc hasn't opened lsf yet
Take notes kronii, this is what dramabuff looks like.

>>33618478
It is though, shit is even mandated in my 3rd world shithole

>>33617006
Another day, another Holo gold

>>33618080
Good grief, now I really wonder how big these batches actually were for them to sell out that fast.

Looks like easy gura gold today.

>>33617317
yeah but that's a discussion that's not relevant here. Neither you nor l are Anycolor employees. Neither of us will see a cent of that money so it's and irrelevant discussion.
It has as much relevance as saying "Disney makes a billion dollars every day".
The reply is always, "okay, so?".

Again, VSPO is overperforming hard on Splatoon 3. Two POV collab, both over 10k
Also
>WTF is Seffyna doing
(former) NijiKR almost catching up to a very 3 views Scarle

>>33618665
Who know? They had more stocks than the first batch but it all sold out in all stores in 15 minutes.

>>33618668
If you mean the paralympics sure, but if you're referring to global gold then not, Pekker's has a FGO stream today

>>33618711
Oh, kronii's still streamin'

>>33618297
Quarterly report that showed a (slightly deceptive but not technically incorrect) earnings per talent average', by branch, which inflated the importance of NijiEN in their earnings. The issue is that anyone who actually cared about the numbers would take a closer look and understand that
1. This was before Luxiem started to lose stream and started to recline
2. Those numbers are going to fucking drop with the addition of Iluna and how poorly they've done
I hope that whoever bought pre-spikr has already sold off their stock, anyone who bought this while it was high is gonna get stuck holding the bag.

>>33618711
1. Hololive
2. VSPO
3. Nijisanji

>>33618535
>nijiEn inclining
This isnt July anymore, unless you mean inclining in total number of members.

>>33618711
imagine if susan remove the cull on vspo

>>33618788
So they cooked their books to look good to investors and will face a sell off which most likely happened before the close off and for tomorrow considering the trend

>>33618741
Man, this reminds me of Donqi getting taken off guard by those dolls all over again.

kronii is killing her average with this stream

>>33618711
VSPOEN when

>>33618879
Welcome to financial statement 101.

>>33618879
Welcome to the world of publicly traded companies in the year 2022.
If you're not making yourself look the best you can, you're playing the game wrong.

>>33618478
Does it bother you that much, anon?

>>33618711
why is luca losing to an unpacking stream from a whore
sisters stream reps doko?

>>33618892
Her average is 4,344...

>>33618879
Nothing new. All of the charts they've released have been deceptive.

>>33618711
I don't understand how VSPO can get this amount of viewers yet have basically no subs in comparison. Why don't Japs sub to them?

>>33618235
But I love to be drunk with profitz.

>>33618711
>HomoStarsJP Roberu above Scarle
GO SON GO

>>33619026
Because Luxiem reclined. Thanks, Vox!

>>33619100
behold the VSPO Box

>>33618381
I mean, sure.
Doesn't change the score into anything other than 16-2-1 though.

>>33619026
NijiEN reclining...

How do we put holos in the LSF box?

>>33618381
Thanks for the joke, anon.

>>33618576
It is actually not a projection. It is reality. Which makes me wonder if the one saying NijiEN is carrying Nijisanji is an Anycolor insider.

>>33619184
Tell Pekora to call Kai a fucking nigger and start a drama.

>>33619184
Fuck that cancer, no no no.
If I wanted that level of garbage in vtubers, I wouldn't have abandoned watching fleshstreamers in the first place.
Much like cancer, that sort of shit hollows out the host and kills it in the long run.

>>33618478
you're not even a nijifan, why are you in this thread? do you have nothing better to do than anti posting about a Japanese corporation all day?

VTuber drama lacking compared to the shit they're dealing in fleshtuber land

>>33618744
There is no novelty in pekora's fgo stream anymore anon.

>>33619184
I hope not, just look at the reply to this https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xbg8aj/ame_uses_a_korean_translator/

>>33618576
Nah. There was some confusion over Anons who didn't understand financial years for companies can start whenever they dictate, and that Anycolor's started on May as Q1 2023 ( I was one of them, I don't usually deal with fincancial docs, just numbers for other things).
Which in context, really makes the situation at NijiEN GRIM and why everyone seems so stressed out about numbers, because there's pressure from above to keep those numbers high for their next quarter. Nijifes NEEDS to be a smashing success for their stock not to take a massive hit as people are the numbers for NijiEN fall back down going from q1-q2.

>>33619190
Right, Japan starts the fiscal year on April. How are NijiEN carrying Niji thought? At least in Holo you could argue that they've been in stupid amounts of events, conventions, sponsored streams and even merch sales....

>>33619294
>Clip views go to the VoD instead of 3rd parties
Such power...

>>33619286
Well which other chuba will be in the gold race?

>>33619381
Gura, Id mini concert and subaru

>>33619342
I don't know. But their numbers showed that their growth is mainly from NijiEN. It may be cooked but it is what it is if we take the face value. And by the way, their fiscal year starts on May 1.

>>33619286
>Betting against gachafags.

>>33619491
>replying against bait

Magnus Carlsen status? Mizkif and friends status?

>>33619417
What do you mean by Gura? She only has 16k, Duck and Pekkers are streaming at the same time, and Shuba is weak when there's overlap, Pekkers has FGO gacha, ID mini concert maybe since Pekkers might funnel to them

>>33619523
Are they indies? Can they mog Pekora's FGO stream numbers?
Jokes aside, I am happy I have zero idea about who they are.

>>33619523
Is magnus the one who cheated in chess with an anal vibrator?

>>33619417
ID miniconcert will be on HoloID main channel so it probably won't get that many numbers.

>>33619491
>>33619516
Just compare the waiting room in this fgo stream.

>>33619587
>613 waiting
NGMI

Unicorns eternally blown the fuck out. Ya love to see it.

>>33619563
Nah that would be hans niemann, magnus is the one implying he cheated by withdrawing from tourneys.

>>33619587
I mean let's assume that Pekora gets a 50% dropoff from yesterday. That's still 45k peak. But HoloID waiting room will be interesting to see

>>33619640
>>33619675
That's what im saying like yesterday's waiting room is around 2k-3k at this point.

Holosisters, why is Luca making more money than Pekora with less than 8% of her audience?

she's nervous with the numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4arJr9wZF0

>>33619726
>5k watching
This is the same guy who got 30k just for his fucking hands huh? Suspicious as fuck.

>>33619726
>SC - relevant

>Usada Pekora Birthday Celebration 2022 - 1 month
Birthday Merch Complete Set 6301 $120.00 $756,120.00
Rubber Mat 5752 $32.00 $184,064.00
Acrylic Stand 1240 $28.00 $34,720.00
Notepad/Pen 2381 $12.00 $28,572.00
Plushie 2344 $48.00 $112,512.00
$1,115,988.00

Not Include Geek Jack Store .

>>33619726
Pekora got more through the sponsorship

>>33619663
I love premature celebrations.

>>33619779
money bots

>>33619748
Because she fucking knows that the numbers yesterday was fresh tourist numbers which is ripe for taking. She was really fucking nice and took her time in part c and superchats lol.

>>33619663
>72 members added
Is this big or what?
Also, we should wait for weeks before we decide if unicorns leaving will have a negative impact on her career. If what they said is right, that she is not entertaining, then it means that she is under their mercy and her numbers will crater after few weeks. But if she stays being not that entertaining but still keeps her numbers despite spamming debuffs, then don't expect unicorn-friendly chuubas in EN3.

>>33619726
>Superchat cope
Every fucking time.

>>33619697
Eh we'll see I guess. It will fascinating to see how the tourist stuff take effect.

>>33619726
I don't see Luca's name up here

>>33619726
> SC cope

>>33619802
I wonder if she can handle those tourists before PekoMoona.

>>33619184
I wanted to post about forsen reacting to gura's animation on lsf but i don't know how to clip on twitch nor do i have a reddit account.

>>33619871
I'm guessing that's what the Fate zero watchalong shit is for. We still don't know if it's just a member shit or she got a full restream rights though so who knows.

>>33619815
Hoping that it doesn't affect her past a few hundred viewers, giving this board any opportunity to say "I told you so" is just the start of Hololive legitimately dying

>>33619663
I will enjoy her decline over the next few weeks. Get ready to be grudgposted, homobeggar.

>>33619815
Actually if this shit make EN become better streamers and more focused to their aspiration if they have any, that's would be better for me. Because i don't really watch EN other than stream that looks interesting

hello numberfriends, is there a /#/-approved consensus about what happens to the views of a channel after consistent male collabs?

>>33617992
you replied to me first faggot. you are talking about numbers and yet you get offended when talking like business analysts do: not about employees or contractors but about the company itself, their revenue, their value.
>>33618097
I thought that was the rule of this thread but I get it only means for one side kek

>>33619897
Pretty sure it would get removed in 5 minutes

>>33620012
speaking long-term of course

>>33619697
You do know yesterday was a holiday right? I'm not saying she's gonna get 80k+ again but it's kinda useless comparing yesterday to today.

>>33620012
Depend on the frequency, the expectations that the vtubers set, if the male is more popular than the girl, even the company is pretty relevant

>>33619836
>>33619853
How is it a cope. It's a gacha stream. Her viewers should be raining her with money. Very disappointing SC numbers from Poorkora despite the viewers.

Can pegor beat xwc today?

>>33620109
Nah, xqc is in 91k already. Dramabuff is too strong.

>>33619958
Mind explaining why people would leave her? Legitimately curious past the whole "she's collabing with Tempus every now and then" deal that would kill her audience to some 3k viewer

>>33619476
it didnt show it though. NijiEN did grow more than Nijisanji, which imo makes sense as JP is older than nijien, so nijien has a lot more space to grow than JP. But overall JP still is a lot larger. Where NijiEN is above JP is how they have more revenue per vtber, but thats mainly because JP has 112 vtubers while EN has 26.

>>33620012
Not enough data to draw a meaningful conclusion. I'd like to do it with NijiEN numbers, but the sheer amount of collabs and the very different culture make it impossible to determine anything of note except that Nina got fucking pumped and dumped.

>>33619802
Peko should be able to turn a fairly good number of those tourist into semi regular viewers at least. As someone who doesn't oshi her but still semi regularly follows her despite having no understanding of nip, she's just a really entertaining streamer.

>>33620012
None.
But it seems that the dominant idea is that it will recline.
But I think the best non-shitpost opinion is on how the chuubas introduced themselves at the start. If they acted like Baelz and highlighted that they like the Stars, then the views will stay consistent. But if they pander with unicorns early on but then all of the sudden, she wants male collabs, then the views will plummet.

>>33619897
Jesus, that is the most anemic, lifeless clip I've ever had the displeasure of viewing.
What is this guys CCV? https://youtu.be/0YN28D6hk5s I honestly don't think he even processed he watched a video.
This is also why I'm personally against react content, this is the inevitable destination.

>>33619941
HoloEN* or Hololive EN* FTFY

>>33620126
Fuck it was at 84k last time I checked

>>33619340
>Which in context, really makes the situation at NijiEN GRIM and why everyone seems so stressed out about numbers
>everyone
>just the usual numberfags
funny how the everyone ignores like 15 or so vtubers in the branch. Always.

I am getting sick of Peko lewd bros

>>33619995
I don't even think unicorns or w/e is relevant in this topic, this lame drama just gives people a fresh new start about Kronii, not blind by the act she paved for over a year. If she's good, the box will still support her, if not, her viewers will turn to other girls that are more entertaining even if the girls they watch prefer Stars collab.

You know, the male debuff debate has been looping so much. I'm surprised no one have made a pascal's wager chart about it yet

Pekora needs to START DRAMA RIGHT NOW. She needs to beat XQC.

>>33618835
Yes. Exactly. Vspo on average are stronger than your average jp niji now.
>>33619100
They have shorter history. Hololive and Nijisanji have been gathering subs for a longer time, and new holo members immediately benefit from that as well.
Also, Marine and Pekora have 2M subs, but it's not like 2M people actually regularly watch them. The active viewership is much smaller. Vspo have relatively big active viewership compared to total number of subs and they have grown a lot this year. Their recent subs growth is really good.

>Miko Raped me(the truth), Announcement stream, Taking a break, My monkey died.

>>33620252
even if you do make it, anon, i'm betting 95% of the anons here won't get the reference and dismiss it as a weirdo graphic with cope logic

>>33620108
>Her viewers should be raining her with money
>Viewers are mostly tourists

>>33620159
Nina is a relevant exemple, as this other anon pointed out
Also, Ollie to an extent,

>>33620232
Post monkey lewd then

VSPO is absolutely meticulous and slow in hiring new talents. They should ACCELERATE like everybody else

>>33620254
Mori has been lying to hololive members and asking them for money to fuel her lean habit, Kiara groped Gura during the offcollab and Ame and Ina told her to keep quiet about it.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA KOONE GOTALU BONDING MEIN KOKORO KLOPFT SCHNELL
youtube.com/watch?v=_UWZSntVA_c

>>33620311
Here I made it with 5 hour paint for catalog shitposting purposes.

>>33620414
kys

>>33620294
call me when vspo can reach 300k, 200k and 100k streams. They don't have even 3D and needed to be bought by brave group to be able to have something.
the dumb rivality you guys try to make for nijisanji and vspo while you guys only mention vspo when it is to shit on nijisnaji is hilarious.

>>33620166
>reaction stream
>doesn't react
>chat non stop sperg out and spam
i hate it

>>33620491
I will if you go first

https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1572124790814830594

What the FUCK is her problem?

>>33620012
Small data set:
Mori- collab with males her whole career
Bae-Collab with males her whole career
Ame-been a few days
Kronii-streamed like twice since her first collab?
Mumei-No effect
ID in general-no discernable effect, audience has no expectation for them not to
Elira-flat
Pomu-huge incline
Finana-decline
Obsydia-mild incline
Ethyria(minus Reimu)-incline
Reimu-sharp incline then crash

Extremely inconclusive but in general other factors vastly outweigh any effect from "male collabs".

>>33620254
Please don’t ask that, we asked her for big number and she threw 96k at our face
And now you want her to actually pull what she is best at back in NND day?

>>33620108
>gacha stream
IIRC she only pulled the free tutorial gacha

>>33620180
I forgot who but Aia or Scarle was stressed out on their bad numbers. But it it will just happen even if they are not under NijiEN. But still.

>>33620363
Nina also completely changed her content, did a bunch of offcollabs, got stuck in Australia for an entire month without streaming, and started streaming a lot less when she got back. And in the end, she still has better numbers than she started out with at debut. Same with Ollie, she was collabing with males from the very start, all through the period when she was popular, and her decline isn't really related to that.

>>33620530
Ruined

>>33620530
Damn, Kronii seems a lot more outgoing and happy since she made her statement. This is going to be a good move for her. She might lose some of her more schizo fans but she is going to pick up a lot more. Happy for her.

It's been six fucking months since Kizuna Ai soft-graduated.
Where the FUCK is the orchestral version of Hello, Morning you fucking black company fucks!?

We have an Ai schizo now?

>>33620108
you don't even get what you're pushing do you?
here, last (you), go back to lurking

>>33620414
my wife gotalu socializing

>>33620829
To be fair anon, before Niji and Holo blew up in the old days. Ai corp was the big boogeyman in vtubers.

>>33620414
deutschchama...

>>33620829
I JUST WANT THAT SONG OKAY!? It's pretty good, the original is too EDM for my boomer ears

>>33620399
They did accelerate on poaching and smuggling Nijilivers.

>>33620929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thJgU9jkdU4

>>33620973
>poaching
That's a very nice way of saying "talent left because they were unsatisfied and went to a better company"

Since Hololive already won this month, can Nijisanji offset the loss to make it less embarassing?

Anon-tachi, which company numbers are more interesting to discuss? Net profit or operating expenses?

>>33620414
why are germs so fucking cringe?

>>33621091
You must be looking at a mirror

>>33620865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2optmx0Q4C4

Good
Now go watch her in 1 hr

https://twitter.com/yasu00kamiki/status/1572117795336491010

>>33620743
If I'm being honest, I don't think it's even about the collabs or even males at this point. Kronii always seemed scared of her own fanbase because she didn't know how to act towards them. I started getting weird vibes from her back when she was playing MegaMan and she invented the whole green-light red-light as her way of dealing with backseating after closing off her own chat to members only in the previous steam because things just got too out of hand. (Plus there was the whole RM stuff I heard about on how her fans were calling her out on something she did or something)
It's 3am and I'm pretty sure I'm rambling, but I get the feeling that her week break wasn't really just because of the drama, but to make a decision on what she herself wanted do, and not because of what she thought her viewers wanted her to do. Because Kronii had every opportunity during her break to never address Tempus again and just post a normal schedule after she came back without the need for Tempus to be included, and people wouldn't have called her out on it either.

Tldr: there's a good chance Kronii is just trying to prove to herself that she's the one that's in control of her own decisions, and she does them as a way to enjoy streaming more.

>>33621019
The most profitable vtuber company is Anycolor. It means Anycolor is superior.
Are you implying that Nijisanji is more inferior than VSPO?

I know kiara won't collab with tempus but i wonder if majority of kfps are okay with them. I always see kfp usernames presence in chat ranging from nijien to holojp, holoid and even starsjp and tempus now. Would be pretty funny if kiara is unaware of kfps being okay with collabs with males.

better luck with wave 7

>>33619417
ID only collabs will be mostly in indog language, actually hard filtered me when ID1 debuted.

I'll bet on Pegors for today.

>>33621247
Yes

>>33621236
Now the ball is in the other side's court
Will they take the hint, or will they try to turn her into depressronii again to give them a sense of "Control"?

>>33621247
I'm not sure how you got all that from the previous statement but it seems you already know the answer

ID1 Mini 3D will be 2 hours after pekora fgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY0HSWOqV0s

>>33620151
Entertaining is subjective, but you have to admit she is quite skilled when it come to number. Not a single number were wasted on that FGO stream
>Nousagi ready to give free membership to tourist at all time
>She spend half of part C courting the tourist, showing them that she isn’t a poser to keep their interested
>Pinned message advertising her future watchalong (combined with nousagi giving tourist free membership)

>>33621256
Most would probably be fine but when you're in Kiara's position even losing 10% of your fans is scary. Also she's just too parasocial and gets broken up by seeing individual people that have watched her for a long time disappear, even if it's statistically insignificant.

>>33621135
kys germ

>>33621256
>Would be pretty funny if kiara is unaware of kfps being okay with collabs with males.
Didn't she asked them and they said yes ? She seems perfectly aware, she just doesn't want to.

>>33621247
Yeah but sadly the same cannot be said about most of their livers

>>33621236
Vtubers are nothing without us viewers. We basically pay for their livelihood. If they want to go against us, we can easily ruin their lives.

>>33621236
>and she invented the whole green-light red-light as her way of dealing with backseating
you mean the thing Korone has been doing for over a year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeD-lKDv87I
honestly maybe Kronii should take more pointers from Korone than from her EN senpais when it comes to fans

https://youtu.be/3D6YvX_w-C0
Gold

>>33620723
>Same with Ollie, she was collabing with males from the very start, all through the period when she was popular, and her decline isn't really related to that.
It absolutely is, not because she collab with men but because she went against the tide of what the “HoloBox” expects from their streamers and got swept.
Ollie might be one of the few ID that didn’t benefit significantly from ID3 debuts and Holofes.

The way Holos work is simple: there are some 120k people on the JP daily audience that have their preferences but which sometimes check the other girl streams as well, if they catch their attention.
Take Anya: she caught the attention of the JP crowd and she’ll be getting numbers above her reach for as long as she continues doing activities that interest them. That’s the way minor Holos grow.

Ollie tried the hard way around, go create a whole audience of non Holo and mostly non vtuber watchers. She leaned on the anituber crowd, “nu chess” crowd and for as long as she was their new toy, it seemed to work
>until they moved to the new toy in town, Ironmouse
and she was left without her out of the box and without the inside the box audience.
It was definitely related to her choice of collabs, with the only difference being that it was not the fact there were boys, but that there were no Holo girls.
It happened to Matsuri as well, and go Towa too until StartEND gave her just enough momentum and clout to be fully inducted to the “FPS box”.

>>33621256
Oh she is aware
She actually is not in the mood to collab with males right now
>But the numbers
If collabing with Pekora did not boost her then nothing will
>But she will be isolated
She already kind of is due to her Timezone
....rumao Cover could do not even care to at least hire a yuro homo so they could at least force her to collab the males.
>But Vesper
The "early" zatsus are just now once in a while

why are people mentioning about anycolor's profit now? i thought we already dicussed that like a week ago?

>>33621360
T. Never superd, membered or brought merch

>>33621406
They only have that over Hololive atm so let them have it

>>33621380
Didn’t Korne take a month off because someone tweeted something mean at her?

>>33621380
well korone's problem with her chat are fundamentally different than kronii's so you can't really compare them.

>>33621360
>We

I could not care less about Kronii drama as long as she won’t drag others with her

OH NO OH NO OH NO
BUSHIROAD BROS???
I THOUGHT BUSHIROAD WAS ONLY SPONSORING HOLOLIVE???

RIKU I KNEEL!!!!

>>33621438
Didn't Cover also reinvest a bunch in technology and benefits to employees and Holo members? Thta's why their profit is less than Anykara's.

>>33620012
There’s no consensus and too many confounding factors. For instance if Kronii declines it could be males or itt could be her insistence on playing dogshit indie kusoges she’s already beaten.

>>33621532
Anon, nobody is talking about that drama anymore since it got buried by the bigger Twitch drama.

>>33621538
>The card game version
Anon, I ...

>>33621540
Well I have no energy left to argue so I would rather let them have that one

>>33621360
>us

>>33621575
Hence why I said Bushiroad and not Cygames faggot.

33621538 (Le You)
>Bushiroad
>Copyright Cygames

>>33621402
So it has nothing to do with male collabs then?

>>33621402
Interesting. Any take on Kobo?

I hope Twitch dies already.

>>33621538
Bro it’s the card game, it cannot get shittier than that
Meanwhile Bushiroad sponsor Hololive concert
Also obligatory “SHILL MACHINE OF NIJI”

>>33621540
Yes but it won't show up as profits.

>>33621618
Youtube is already doing that with the poaching shit. They just need to fix the discoverability of streamers.

>>33621360
Sounds about right, viewers are what customers to a store are, their income.
Of course that doesn't mean the store is going to comply to customers when they're clearly in the wrong (aka Karens), otherwise they'd just take advantage of them and ruin the business not only for them but for everyone involved.

>>33621599
Bushiroad handles the Physical Shadowverse TCG faggot chama...

>>33620254
Hasan getting dragged live on tv in front of 95k viewers
Has xqc just been seething about reddit reactions for 2 hours

>>33621346
It was mixed, there were some who said no and some.who said doesn't matter.

>>33621402
imo, male collabs can be mitigate by
>keep delivering good solo and girl-only contents
>keep engaging with the audience
>not making a big deal out of it
Male collab could only hurt them if they focus on it too much -- ignoring your own audience and alienating holobox

>>33621656
Is it possible all these people could be gotten rid of at once via whatever this drama is?

>>33621360
Stores and businesses refuse to do business with assholes all the time. Their money isn't worth it. You are no different and you won't be missed.

>>33621266
What in the living fuck is this "Hopcon" shit that multiple Nijikeks put in the title of their streams? Is it some Nijikek inside joke? Does it mean Hopping on cock?

>>33621402
so Ollie as a venture opportunity was likely a worthwhile gamble had IM not existed to vacuum up that crowd, at least as far as the business side is concerned (according to your analysis)

>>33621700
Absolutely not, unless if they are actually killed or literally cancelled for something iredeemable. They'll stick around like a common reoccuring characters in a cartoon show.

>>33621649
>we
>ruin lives
ogey karen, you need your meds now

>>33621685
kronii should collab immediately with gura after every male collab to wash the filth.

>>33621538
>They get stuck with a massively reclining failed chuuba
Poor Bushiroad

>>33621236.
More like she took a break to determine if she will choose to be herself or to pretend for her fans. The westernized way (and also the mentally healthy way) of handling it is just to be herself. I think I said it here before but what she chose is the correct choice. She may lose extra money but she does not need to pretend to her fans.

>>33621609
Not specifically.
More specifically, it has to do with 'this is the sort of thing the audience(holobox) expects, and you chose to not give it to them so they don't watch you. Ollie wanted to break what she perceived were constraints of expectations of what it means to be a Holomem. Okay, fine, then the wider audience will just go watch someone who DOES, and they did when Council dropped. Contrast this with Bae, who while she is okay with collabing with males(specifically the stars) she also stuck to collabing with other Hololive members.

>>33621402
Very good take

>>33621609
Not specifically for the fact they’re male, no, but for the fact they’re not the Holobox girls.
Kaela is arguably the best example of the opposite of what Ollie did: she took EVERY chance to be noticed by the box girls and got her big break when the girls (and the clippers) noticed her Elytra collection (a metonymy for her massive grind) and she went from the absolute runt (and least noticed) of her gen to, at very least, the same level of the other girls.

Funny thing about Kaela is that she’s positioning to be just
>September 2021 Kronii gone right

>>33621747
It's an inside joke. It means open vc where anyone can hop on.

>>33621766
not a bad strat desu

>>33621785
<1% of her fans

>>33621685
>male collabs can be mitigate by
You made it sounds like male collabs is a dangerous thing that could very well send someone into dead spiral if not handled well
What are the benefit of male collabs to warrant taking this risk?

>>33621797
HOPCON DEEZNUTS

>>33621540
They did, but Nijifags just come into these threads to shit.

>>33621402
so.. debuffing yourself actually bad idea?

>>33621747
It's a like a meme or something.

>>33621618
I think it’s kind of funny because today really felt like one of those moments where you saw a giant flub in Youtube’s live viewer tracking system they got there, and how fucked it must be to some creators. Lemme just explain a moment why:

During the drama today, there was no one covering it but Destiny, who streams on youtube. Despite having almost the entirety of LSF to himself, with thousands of clips rolling in, being in the know of what happened, guiding everyone around, his live viewership went up from 10 to 26k over like a 2 hour period. Mind you, 80k people were on LSF tuned into this drama.

MEANWHILE, on twitch, one of the accused (Maya) turned her stream on to give a short statement, and had 26-30k ccv within 15 minutes. Then later on, Hasan’s ccv went up from 35k ish to 50k in almost an instant when he was covering the drama. But on youtube’s side, Destiny was finally finishing up his stream. The problem though is that he was actively done with the whole ordeal for a good 10-15 minutes, and yet he was still holding 21-22k people before ending. He was losing people by the hundreds when he was exiting out of it all, but on twitch’s end people are getting spikes of 10-20k like NOTHING.

I truly wonder if there’s an issue with adblock or something, because more and more I’m getting convinced of some bullshittery with the system

>>33620012
For JP side, we have already seen the effect on nijiJP most prominently ex gamers. With constant collabs between male and female vtubers, the ccv of the female vtubers will decrease over time while the ccv of male vtubers will increase over time. For foreign branch we have yet to see the effect. With Kobo and Altare collabing constant and Kronii joining the fray with Vesper, we can see the result over the next few months to have a conclusion of things.

>>33621827
Well, that 1% are the people who pay the most. Not against Kronii here, she can do whatever she wants, but there is a tradeoff between earnings and freedom.

>>33621360
Than prove it by taking your money and going elsewhere? If the service no longer caters to you than your free to leave. If they crash and burn than your right but if they do fine without you than you were never the intended customer to begin with.

>>33621858
...to own the haters?

Ey bros. Any contender for gold aside from Pekora's FGO and ID Stream?

>>33621700
Twitch lives off this sort of thing. It would be an amazing outcome though and a huge disruption to the streaming sphere on that platform. It'd be incredible.

>>33621236
>she invented the whole green-light red-light as her way of dealing with backseating
Clearly you never watched Korone.

>>33621916
Salo-I’m sorry couldn’t help myself

>>33621786
Ollie collabed with hololive members all the time and they all love her, Gura even has Olivia in her animation, you don't watch Ollie just admit it

>>33621656
BASED xQc

>>33621858
The males might have similar interests.

>>33621754
It was not a worthwhile gamble IMO. The anituber community, by virtue of being seasonal by their very nature, will NEVER stick long enough to anything.
Notice I’m not talking about the anime community (latching on to Evangelion some 20 years down the line) or the web community (same, 2hu) but specifically the western ironic “drip wearing” crowd that Ollie tried to court.
They dumped her exactly like they would dump the seasonal isekai anime waifu, she never had a chance

>>33621889
Yeah you need more data in that case since Ludwig can get higher numbers with his events. And destiny is getting the Ice Poseidon treatment(aka twitch shadowban). The only reason destiny even got that 10k+ earlier was due to xqc's juicers hopping on his chat since they got bored waiting for his stream. It would be interesting to see asmongold stream in youtube.

>>33621685
towa is fucking excellent at that, not to mention she never antagonize her fans.

>>33621656
Forsenbajs are loud despite having a reclining swedish hobo as their oshi.

>>33621795
And of course she'll still always be less popular than Kronii. ID really is a very difficult debuff to overcome. Even their superstar Kobo is only as strong as uh...Fauna? Okayu?

>>33621785
Her being a mini, depression fueled Sana was her biggest problem. It's a good trade-off if it actually improves her mood and she streams more.

>>33621916
There's that one outfit reveal in VSPO.

>>33621858
>You like one of the male talents and think there will be synergy/good content
>You want to box push new company members out of loyalty to HoloPro
>You want to own your annoying controlling unicorns
>You don't like "idol culture" and want to try to change it
Which I think summarizes a lot of the reasons we've seen from ENs who have done it so far

>>33621942
Korone pretends to be a character, panders to her fans unhealthily and is mentally ill, that's the point. Kronii doesn't need to do that now because she realized it's better to stream for herself and is happier for it.

>>33621402
Towa is one of the biggest success stories in Holo, I think. It took a long time and also came with a lot of bumps in the road but she was able to get her cake AND eat it too. She can now regularly Collab outside of Holo (regardless of gender) with minimal backlash while still being connected to the HoloBox. 2 years ago, her getting 1 mil subs or even touching 100k CCV would've been unimaginable. I don't know how the fuck she did it (not a kenzoku so don't really keep up with her regularly), but future holos might want to study how she did it if they want to be able to Collab outside the box without getting disconnected from it

>>33619726
Retard pekora recieved 475 gifted subs that stream

>>33621916
pekora's playing fgo again?

>>33622005
>can get 40k polls off a 5k CCV stream
Kobo is Gura tier, she's just culled even harder than Gura is

>>33622051
Better milk the tourist fast, until the end of perms.

>>33622067
Or she has really high viewer turnover

>>33622018
>You want to box push new company members out of loyalty to HoloPro
This is what annoys me the most. It's not gonna work. Holostars really need to make the box on their own, hololive audience as a whole won't watch them.

>>33621779
Don't look at their own vtuber group
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj6ZvZqDJsrwBal-5R_q1ZQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsHILl-8i1H9316RPeTEcfQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpLvJ42sm-edPGF8pKJonOQ

>>33621889
That's just how youtube is. Watch an Ame stream on YT then the identical content on twitch and you'll see the difference. Almost a non-stop incline on twitch and a spastic up and down on youtube peaking usually at around 1 hour.

>>33621970
Kinda doesn't really help either that Ironmouse just swooped in and took people like Connor for herself. Also let's not kid ourselves Ollie herself is a giant filter just by the way she acts. Kiara has the debuff chicken voice while Ollie couldn't stop being really fucking loud.

>>33622084
i can imagine that with how indog's mind work

>>33621236
Why are western content creators all have a tendency to hate the people who made them? Also why are western consumers doormat that let them walked all over by corpos and content creators? Are all westerners machoistic?
>Yasss queeen ignore me and lie to me even moarrrrr

>>33622036
She went out of the box first and then eventually got back in because Cover decided to give her a lot of main channel pushes (and she decided to accept those opportunities).

>>33621991
>not to mention she never antagonize her fans.
holy newfag

>>33622036
you're dealing with a thousands of zoomer anons and bitter late-millenials, I'm not surprised that they can't see the long-term in any of the decisions that other people make, only the instant reaction

it's basically the same phenomenon where the headline gets the eyeballs where even a retraction or editorial correction a day later will get completely ignored because a feeling has already entered the zeitgeist

>>33621954
I'm not saying they didn't, and I used to watch her, but I found all the nonholoive collabs annoying, so I stopped watching her entirely.
Did I ever say the other Holomem didn't like her? This isn't about what other Holomem thought of her, It's a matter of AUDIENCE PERCEPTION, and Ollie built herself up as someone who would keep collabing with outsiders a ton, outsiders who viewed her as nothing more than fresh meat to be exploited and discarded when they felt she was of no use to them.

>>33622067
I mean, if you're culled, those people effectively do not exist, as YouTube is not showing them and not paying out for them. All you'll have to show for it is a higher VOD. Sucks but that's how it is.

>>33622125
She doesn't owe you anything, get over it.

>>33622036
Milked big names until the box was willing to watch her. Her numbers still aren't that great if she streams in primetime. Hence usually when she streams it's earlier.

>>33622184
She does get decent numbers during overlap if she's streaming APEX, she's at least built herself into the APEXbox successfully.

>>33622092
Whatever box they have now is probably 1000x better than whatever people thought they would have when they first got announced. Aururan is sitting at 300 viewers right now for reference, thinking cover is going to hold them back and risk those numbers going back to unsalvageable numbers like they are with StarsJP is something they'd much rather avoid doing, and risking a few collabs with the EN girls is a small price to pay to ensure they can stay relevant.

>>33622162
Rent free.

>>33622036
>I don't know how the fuck she did it
She is only successful because the rabbit likes her. Without Pekora she will still be the runt.
>fps crowd
Yeah that too. They only care about showmanship and only watch fps. It is also vulnerable to weak fps environment.

>>33622219
Keep coping unicuck.

>>33621236
Her schizos are mad they won't get to groom her anymore

>>33622051
Yeah finish the last half of Fuyuki

>>33622125
Wow you really don't watch anyone do you? ID and JPs have to tard wrangle and assert themselves against unreasonable fans also (Botan, Kaela, Risu and Anya come to the top of my head).

Many people here hates HoloStars, yet no one dares to utter a word of hate to the creator himself, Yagoo.

>>33618879
It will go up until the 6month lock expires and unlock happens. And then bloodbath

>>33621402
Your last part is completely incorrect btw. Startend did jack shit for her with the fps box. It was her participation and growth in cr cups and her support of the esports scene overall which got her fully integrated. Startend was a holobox boost only.

>>33622271
I don't hate HoloStars, I just don't care about them.

>>33622125
The viewers didn't make Kronii my dude, that kind of mentality ain't right. Kronii is an entretainer and the choice to stay and watch is entirely up to you.

>>33622220
Not really but Pekora liking anyone is a good sign because whoever can break her shell must be a literal Saint everyone love

>>33622266
It is one thing to tardwrangle your fans and another to actively lying to your fans and hate them. Learn the difference.

>>33622020
You keep telling yourself that sister

>>33622184
To be fair, primetime is Pekora and 1st army time and regardless of the strides she's made, torre doesn't have what it takes to be a 1st army Holo. But she's solidly mid to high mid tier nowadays which is a far cry from where she was tracking post yab. (rbc tier).

>adblock soon dead in chromium
Will this effect the view numbers?

>>33622342
>Towa
>Not first army
Someone post the picture.

>>33622338
no, the only difference is that you don't know enough japanese to form schizophrenic opinions about what a JP member means to you when they say something on stream

>>33622319
Feel bad for Kiara that Pekora has at best just tolerated her.

>>33622319
Not exactly. She liked the purple whore too but later moved on to pinkdog because she is more reliable.

>>33622271
Because the Star have exist for years now and rarely cause troubles for the girls
It just suddenly become this big of a deal when Star EN happen. So I think EN culture is more at fault here

>>33622371
I'm sorry anon but Towa is now replaced with Gura.

Howie Mandel danced to Hololive?????? We're going mainstream boys.

>>33622362
Will be forced to keep using Firefox to maintain Adblock usage then...
I REFUSE to go back to adblockless web browsing, fuck that noise.