/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33602895
no the incels are doing what the homobeggars are doing, it's honestly pretty funny

Best part is that she's mogging Mori's music releases now.

>kiara = idol
>ame = twitch egirl
game was rigged from the start

>>33603018
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Kiara being as friendly as she can
Ame being a smug dipshit
WHAT HAPPEN?!?!

>>33602895
Kiara was only really hated on this board, the casuals generally liked her or ignored her when she became too annoying, then it became obvious that her real personality is actually a pretty sweet girl who works very hard and her character (And mainly fanbase) is the annoying one

Ame was liked mainlybbecause she was /here/ and because she had good ideas, original, creative ideas, buy eventually those ideas would run out, leaving Ame as just a regular, generic girl streamer with a vtuber model... And like most generic girl streamers, she likes to collab with men

I got a funny feeling that is just the beginning...
Ame is a master of making bad life choices after all

>>33603018
It's the JP bros
They moved to Kiara and Gura now, and none of them use adblock so the cull is minimal

>>33603018
Oh how the turn tables. In b4 Mori starts trying to 'repair' takamori?

>>33602895
The ebb and flow of dramasisters

>>33602895
Honestly all the Amelia praise here was always supposed to be ironic. She has great ideas and does a lot to make Hololive great but it's not like all those ideas are great:
Holopro intergender collabs and streaming on Twitch are incredibly bad for example.
But i will give her credit for all the other cool projects she made that was possible for every Holo to use such as all the VR stuff and more.

>>33602895
Kiara had a pretty weak debut, and her choice of games are not very streamer friendly, but she's found her niche in hololive and focused on improving her strengths. She's also really good at putting herself out there, even if it's somewhat forceful at times. Kiara has goals that she's focused on achieving.

Ame on the other hand, she was the best of the myth girls at gaming, so she attracted a sizable portion of fans for that reason. She was also the most inventive and also the most willing to invest a fuckton of money into her streams, like commissioning 3d models, getting a whole ass studio to do 3d work, shit ain't cheap. However, her bread and butter content has gotten stale; you can only watch an anime girl get unnecesarily salty at games for so long, and it goes from amusing to concerning when you find out its actual salt and not played up for laughs, especially when it's directed towards senpai or her other myth members. Far as I know, Ame also doesn't have any real goals she's working towards now, there's nothing exciting to keep fans around.

In short, while the Stars drama has minor influence, the real reason Ame's numbers are down and Kiara's numbers are up is because Kiara has fresh shit happening while Ame's content is stagnating.

>>33602895
Kiara is standing her ground as the champion of Idol culture where the other girls just want to become generic streamers in an oversaturated market
Even if kiara wasn't a huge idolfag, this is obviously a good business move

>>33602895
Lol Kiara was hated and Ame was loved *here* , but that doesn’t really mean much

This board is a fringe representing a tiny irrelevant incel minority of the fandom that likes to play pretendy games about how they are the true and honest most important fans who buy all the merch and watch all the streams and without us the girls will die in a gutter. But they won’t. They’ll be fine. Ame and Kiara will both be fine, just like Kronii. Unicorns will die mad.

>>33604253
This, for all of Ame's VR chat hype, outside the big events, the smaller collabs were mostly a let down.
I remember one collab ame had with roboco that was so haphazard and unenjoyable in VR that roboco has never mentioned the collab ever again, it was just an hour of louds noises, EoP vs JoP confusion and tech issues

>>33605249
You sound exactly like every sanallite when we all told them that she was obviously going to graduate soon.
Kronii is going to graduate soon as well, she doesn't want to be a streamer.
She doesn't particularly like you as a fan either.
And she hates her model.

>>33605249
>This board is a fringe representing a tiny irrelevant incel minority of the fandom that likes to play pretendy games about how they are the true and honest most important fans who buy all the merch and watch all the streams
Tell that to Finana, RUMAO.

>>33604253
>Honestly all the Amelia praise here was always supposed to be ironic
This makes complete sense but I still doubt it for some reason.

>>33606752
Revisionism is the only way for gachicels to cope. We never really liked Amelia! It was just a prank, bro! We knew she’d eventually do something unforgivable like, uhhhh… publicly interact with her coworkers?

>>33607203
kill yourself you homofaggot. Amelia has always been a twitch ethot bitch. And now shes really showing it, being a complete whore on stream and deliberately misleading her biggest and most loyal fans with despicable, disgusting, and abhorrent behavior.
Youre either literally gay or a woman, either way GTFO and neck yourself

>>33607203
this but unironically
>>33608438
this but unironically

>>33602895
All you have to do is get through the initial hate to become loved here. Its like a shit test. If you didn't get the initial hate its over.

>>33603368
Kiara was always (and still is a little annoying), but at heart is trying and loves idols, hololive and the culture around it.
Ame was more chill personality wise, so she suckered you in easy... but is ultimately a contrarian twitch thot.
Two very different masks concealing two very different things.

>>33608438
THIS

>>33607203
Uh dude... gachis have always been mostly kiara and gura. Like I get you're a tourist faggot, but ames been telling her audience to fuck off for years now. She can't even sing for shit. She's kinda one of the last that would attract that. It was just her goslings, which are a different breed.

>>33607203
shut the fuck up tourist retard

>>33602895
Kiara is proof that hard work and suffering can make you rise from a villain into a hero
Ame is proof that being a total bitch can instantly turn you from hero to villain

>>33602895
Nah, Kiara's still shit and Ame's still based in my book. In fact, the only bad thing Ame did for me was get close to her, but since she's her own autonomous being, she can do whatever she wants!

>>33602895
/vt/ was wrong about Kiara then and they only came around to her now because they're idolfags. I have zero respect for you motherfuckers.

What am I going to do without the respect of anonymous #33609889

>>33608438
>seething this hard
You ever go outside little man?

>>33602895
Because talent as a streamer is secondary to unicorn pandering in their eyes. They'll donate to anyone, no matter how annoying and retarded they are, provided they don't acknowledge males.

>>33610367
>talent as a streamer
>in group collabs Ame is usually as quiet as mouse
>kiara is actually interacting with collab partners actively
top kek

>>33608438
From the very beginning with her fake laugh and her ‘banter’ which was just her insulting her fans, everyone with even a bit of intelligence knew that she was a bitch.
Only deluded gachikoi thought she was anything more than an ethot.

>>33602895
>People were using Kiara to shitpost
>People are using Kiara to shitpost

Nothing has changed.

>>33611176
KFP never stop winning.

>>33602895
What do you base "widely" and "commonly" on? A couple of bored people making a bunch of threads?

>>33604649
I definitely agree on this. Ame has good ideas but her regular shit is kinda eh. And when it comes to games, Kiara tends to be better engaged with games than Ame does, even if she's not great at them either. For someone who initially prefers games like Atelier because cute girls, would never expect her to get hyper invested in game stories like Yakuza's. Now she's even touching first person shooters which she has gone on record to not care for them.

>>33610203
says the little cuck faggot

Hey, tourist here! Lol you sociopaths really think you are relevant to the fandom, it’s adorbs. We’ve gotten rid of like half of you at this point and the fandom is already better. Can’t wait til the rest of you incels ragequit. Unityfags keep winning every day!

>>33612271
Work on your bait, retard.

>>33602895
Turns out respecting your fanbase is a path to success if you can believe it.

>>33610798
Anybody who thinks somebody is a “bitch” because they feel like their jokes are insufficiently respectful of a bunch of incels she is only vaguely aware of is the absolute height of mental illness. Please rope immediately for the betterment of humanity.

>>33612271
Kronii straight up in real time went from 9k views on her current stream to now 7.4k views. I did a straight up double take on seeing how fast that took.

>>33612562
in the meantime how about she flips burgers instead of pretending to be an anime girl

>>33612706
Nah, she’ll be fine without you.

>>33612271
>He thinks Unicorns will somehow vanish from Idol culture.
Take your meds tranny.

>>33612607
Correlation is definitely causation, right guys? We’re really doing it, we’re beating that bitch for talking to her coworkers! We’re winning! She’s ruined! Kronii in shambles!

>>33612922
We aren’t taking unicorns out of idol culture. We’re taking hololive out of idol culture. Deal with it.

>>33612948
keep coping. People like you will never learn even when the lesson is hitting you in the face.

>>33602895
both are still EN so I still shit on them

>>33613066
Lol give it a year. You’ll all be gone and hololive will be better off.

>>33613066
Humor me. What do you think the lesson is?

>>33602895
Ame is still great, and Kiara is still shit
This is called false praise, where in someone compliments or gives attention to someone they normally wouldn't to, for the sole purpose of rubbing it into another person's face

>>33613347
>Ame is still great, and Kiara is still shit
I don't watch either but man, if I had to watch one out of the two I'd go with Kiara every time.

>>33613347
Fucking THANK YOU. If only the /vt/ of yesteryear saw the state of this board today…

>>33613347
roru
seems like you haven't improved yourself yet, anon

>>33603018
fucking based orange chicken

>>33613465
>/vt/ of yesteryear
You twitter tourists are really going all in with this gaslighting attempt, huh? Keep it up, its hilarious

>>33613453
That's a really hard pill for alot of people to swallow. Kiara is/was "Shit" not because of any hard turn decisions or last second changes of heart, but because her voice was grating, her attitude to other people in JP and ID was abrasive, she was 2 strokes from pushing the lefty narrative, and she adamantly tried to self herself into everything and everyone's story, aka the "me me me"
Ame still is/was and is trying to be the "great" whacky, but loveable girl, with her obsession for VR and pet projects, along with keeping to "herself" while still trying to push herself

TL:DR, they are still essentially the same exact girls we last saw a year ago with consistent, but otherwise advanced changes in who they are. Had it not been for the homo collabs, Kiara would still be the punching bag of EN despite her growth, and Ame would still be "great" despite her mild stagnation

>>33603018
>>33603069
>>33603546
>>33603585
>>33613740
>Original song Vs Cover song
Yea, I'm sure it's because of the idolshit it's doing better numbers

>>33602895
Kiara is kinda following the "One Vtuber's trash is another Vtuber's treasure"
if she wants the unstable losers from other fanbases them let her, but she's putting a big target on her back

>>33613778
Dude, Kiara was HATED on here last year. EVERYONE was shutting on her for being a Machiavellian drama queen and praising Ame for being creative and based, and guess what? I still do after all these months.

>>33614073
it was literally just one seafag

>>33614004
Guys, don't tell him how bad Mori's new song is doing.

>>33614073
it was a group of fat retards samefagging, now they all got doxxed and banned

>>33612271
>fandom
nice touch on the bait post, but you arent fooling anyone

>>33614133
Nice delusion, but I know many that felt the same way even outside of /vt/.

>>33614057
>appreciating your fans bad
no she's doing what any non-idiot should be doing
UNFORTUNATELY...

>>33612836
she will not. She will rot in the ground after her career dies in flames. Just like you will, for spreading this bitchy woman speak.

>>33614163
Mori's music always does bad but it's not because of idolshit, it's because they genuinely sound bad.
All I'm saying is your conflating unrelated things

>>33614057
>but she's putting a big target on her back
Homobeggars are now openly threatening vtubers.

>>33614183
Hard sell, buddy. Your oshi is shit. Deal with it.

>>33613022
>we
ok tranny

>>33602895

This board is an echo chamber of backwards "irony".

Ame is still one of the best in EN creatively and Kiara is still literally the worst, period.

Kiara went all in on the incels. I hope it pays off for her as others who really enjoy the collabs ditch her for others who are mature enough to collab with guys. She and the incels truly deserve each other, and no, that's not a compliment.

>>33602895
>>kiara goes from being commonly shit on to being widely praised
She gets praised as a piece to be played by dramafags but nobody actually gives a shit about Kiara as a streamer, that has never changed and never will.

>>33614370
>INCEL INCEL INCEL
Are the incels in the room with us right now?
Go back where you came from.

>>33614163
Scuffed up age is not a new song, retard. It's from Unalive. Even people that care about Mori's music like me, don't care about it anymore. I just wanted the Watame song collab...

>>33614370
You could not be more wrong, and you need to go back to r/hololive

>>33614370
Kiara wants the unicorn audience because it's the best audience. Cope

>>33614425
please take a fucking shower

>>33614370
>incel
please tell me more about your tampons

>>33614370
>i am going to speak loudly and confidently about something i don't know anything about
really the only consistent thread in you tourists' idiotic posts

>>33614528
You don't belong here. Go back.

>>33614528
please suck some more cock so you can expedite your death by niggerpox

>>33614504
Wawa wants the unicorn collabs because she cares about even the most delusional losers in her fans and because you guys are so desesperate you will cling into her which makes her feel good. You also make good paypigs.

>>33614528
sure is a long summer huh? time to go back to school little bitch

>>33614528
Holy go back

>>33614504
This.

>>33614282
Lol settle down schizo

Oh man you can tell when somebody really pisses off the incels and gets under their dirty sweat-stained collar because a bunch of them start yelling “leave” and “you don’t belong here” while tears clean temporary channels in the greasy Cheeto dust plastering their faces. They think people are coming to threaten their safe space lol.

>>33615014
Obvious bait but still go back

>>33615014
>Safe space
Holy retard. Explain how you're posting here? You're the one that came here from some shit "safe space".

>>33615014
aw shit a schizo one
use that imagination for something healthier

>replying to a redditor falseflag
Anons...

>>33610367
>Talent as a streamer
>Ame that is silent in collabs is better than Kiara that actively interacts with her collab partners
Topkek

>>33614504
Please go ahead and take them Kiara, gather them all in and then pull a Rushia to kill your already shit vtubing career.

>>33615163
they're so one-tone that you can't distinguish them anyway, it's not like the real ones offer anything deeper

this board needs to be purged with gore posting spam or some shit, this infestation is getting worse

>>33615065
Oh sweaty no, no, no. I came here from *here*, just fifteen years ago. And it was a safe space then, too, just as it is now. safe from normies. But at least back then we weren't giant retarded faggots about everything. Or, I mean, we absolutely were but at least we were entertained more often than we were pissed off. I’d go post a picture of an orange transparent chainsaw because I had a hard day at school or whatever and it cheered me right up. But this? This is joyless, angry, nonstop losing. Nobody is ever happy here. The tourists are angry, the regulars are angry in trilby hats, fuck, do any of you even watch vtubers or just yell about how much you hate them? Who the fuck cares who they collab with? Watch something else. God what happened to you all?

>>33615374
oh nooo the eceleb board is full of gay drama who could foresee this

>>33615458
>just fifteen years ago.
Tell me what the /5/ board was, "oldfag".

>>33614073
Orcschizo and a few Eggcord fags samefagging over 50 times in threads is not everyone

>>33615458
Basically this. People want you to believe that normie will degrade this hobby board but it was already shit while it was still in /jp/. Theres a reason why they cut this cancerous tumor before it containments /jp/ any further.

>>33614240
>Outside of /vt/
You mean the eggcord that you should go back to

>>33614163
Scuffed up age? That song is old as balls. If you mean more recent originals like Holy嫉妬 , Lets end the World, or even Mera Mera, then no, those are doing ok. Mera Mera is doing better than ok actually.

>>33602895
Kiara did the grind and upheld her idol image and idealism. Ame didn't. Simple as.

>>33604649
This is a great explanation, but:
>she was the best of the myth girls at gaming

Was this ever really true? I can't even remember a time when she wasn't getting mogged by ina and gura every multiplayer game collab.

>>33615521
Even when I started posting on 4chan, shortly after Mootikins fled ADTRW, people would try to prove who had been here longer, and it was as fruitless then as it is now. What if I explained the /5/ joke to you, anon? What would that prove? That I read an article about it on ED five minutes ago? What does this dick waggling prove?

>>33614370
>The most popular member of HoloEN does not acknowledge that Tempus exists
But hey you can keep seething at Kiara to cope with this fact

>>33602895
While Kiara has some annoying traits and moments, she always tried and genuinely CARE about her work and her viewers, and her dream was being an idol.
Meanwhile Ame always was toxic loudmouth showing little to no respect to her viewers, while propagating the GFE that only most delusional and psychotic people would swallow from her. It's no surprise that now, when she's doing 180-degree turn in her content, people are leaving. She has nothing going on for herself and the only thing that attracted decent attention is now villainized by her.

>>33615503
yeah and i'd prefer to partake in gay drama with regulars of this site, not underaged twitterfags or discordtroons

>Ame
Treats her audience like shit, is beloved by her yesmen that agree with literally everything she does at all times and don't dare criticize her
>Kiara
"No I'm not gonna collab with those guys, don't care lol", continues as she normally does.

And to be fair, Ame has been a dipshit to her fans way before she got extra motivated to collab with the EN guys. Some people just don't wanna be forced to automatically have to skip one or two streams a week because they wanna spam collabs with males for some weird fucked up reason that involves them trying to piss people off on purpose.

>>33615792
>he doesn't know
Nice larp. Kill yourself.

>>33602895
How come Kiara still has shit numbers? Genuinely curious?
Like yeah numberfag or whatever but how else are we supposed to prove unicorn pandering is actually working?

>>33616327
Her new song is currently destroying Mori's recent releases.
She beat Mori's Rust numbers while streaming Rust at the same time as her on three separate occasions. Also beat her holocure numbers.
You haven't been paying attention.

>>33609743
>admitting he crushes on her
>still happy with being a cuck
jesas

>>33614528
literal twitter tier insults, this is pathetic

>>33616387
Mori is on a hard decline for unkown reason. If its cuz Tempus collab, she collabed with real actual males long ago, very unlikely that Tempus is the reason why she hasnt been doing well lately.
For Rust/Cure, honestly everyone is doing more than their usual with these, its disingenuous to pull this out for numberfagging. Ame average 5-6k but can push 10k on Rust, only because other fans wana see if their oshis are on.

>>33616687
Mori has the lowest viewership out of anyone during the serverwipe event. Anya of all people was mogging her.

>>33614310
mori is a great lyricist but not a very musical person sadly.

>>33616784
We’ll I mean, she’s kind of playing it wrong on purpose so I don’t know if we can hold that against her.

>>33615835
The only people that say that Ame treats her fans like shit are threadreaders here that are addicted to drama and never really watched her, only watch a few clips.
Ame is the only EN that:
>thanks every single SC, even $2 ones
>talks to members literally everyday, even on her day off she posts something
>tries something different every week
>helps everyone in EN, made a fucking studio in her house and invited Kiara to record her birthday there
And she's only behind Kiara in hours streamed. Why would she stream as much as she does if she "hates her audience"?
Its fine to dislike her because she apparently made part of her audience seethe with the "improve yourself" line, but you can't go agaisnt facts.

>>33614693
"Lol" kill yourself immediately you scum

>>33616865
Why improve ourselves if she won't improve herself.
https://streamable.com/rzax14

>>33615014
you can talk and act like a catty woman but youll never ever be one

>>33616687
Most people tune in for Amelia's rust just in hopes to see Gura even though their ship is dead and they barely interact anymore.

>>33615014
go back

>>33617021
Ooooh somebody’s angy! lol

I like Kiara and Ame

>>33617062
Kiara literally only got her birthday Live because of Ame, she literally called herself "Ame's bitch" a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSZ66QmAHo&t=15129s
Trying to pitch them agaisnt each other is hilarious

>>33616387
>Her new song is currently destroying Mori's recent releases.
It helps that it's actually good and that the MV is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI96hnhcr2E

Which all ties up to the fact Kiara is genuinely GOOD and is constantly improving both as a streamer and performer. A girl who does the grind, is loyal to her fans and audience and above all that refuses to budge to homobeggars and this whole rot that has attacked HoloEN will be noticed even by latecomers who preferred other girls. I used to casually watch Ame and enjoyed her "girl next door" kind of appeal but all of that went to complete shit because of the males and other factors. Her charm fades bit by bit, she's just oddly abrasive and it accumulates. It's like she's perpetually angry under the veneer.

>>33602895

/vt/ should just be deleted already, incels shouldn't even be able to have a voice

>>33617147
you will never be a woman
>"angy"
>"lol"
absolutely go back and never return

>>33617062
Well she stopped pretending unicorns are human beings who deserve respect, that's already an improvement.

>>33617147
>angy
where do you think you are?

>>33617183
Damn, Kiara is Ame's bitch
Hot

>>33603018
OH NYOOOOOOO

numberfagging asise, it's really pathetic how you unicorn losers are obviously trying to drive a wedge between ame and kiara because of their differing stances on male collabs.

>>33617342
Uh oh! Bettew wespect scawy anon uwu!!! Sowwy I said angy on youw supew sewious website daddy! I pwomise to do bettew uwu

>>33617488
thanks for proving me right :)

>>33617488
what an embarrassing post jesus christ

>>33615806
>>33615835
you were never her audience lol, why do you speak for them? there are better ways to prop up kiara without trying to push anyone down, you know

>>33617606
Do you have any idea what website you are on?

>>33617488

>>33613906
>Had it not been for the homo collabs, Kiara would still be the punching bag of EN
Now who's pushing revisionist history? Kiara was being widely praised months before Tempus was even public knowledge.

>>33617634
a website that has not seen such an embarrassing post since its inception. congratulations, your parents will bury you and call you by your real name, and cringe at your pathetic life.

>>33617488
tell me youre a twitter tourist without telling me youre a twitter tourist.
Christ dude

Kiara is great, Amelia us also great. Unicorns are poison, and are dying out thankfully. Give it another year and the last vestiges of idolfaggotry will be gone from the fandom.

>>33617488
GO BACK

>>33617827
Look at this board; look at it every day. You are the one who is going to end up leaving. The writing is on the wall. This isn’t even a board for schizo incels anymore; it’s for autistic screeching at tourists to GO BACK. You can’t even have a successful unicorn circle jerk anymore. Every thread is just this. You have lost.

>>33616687
Collabing off to the side on her own is different from collabing within with members. TT etc didn't really bother me, plus it was kind of in a more "professional/promotional" setting but within EN is crossing the line. If the JP idol fans feel similarly she could be losing their goodwill, but I don't know who exactly watches her and listens to her music.

>>33614528
don´t forget to dilate from getting too invested into this
if that wound closes you can´t pretend to be a real woman anymore

>hey guys I'm totally not a newfag!
>let me prove that by replying to every post telling me to leave
Some people are simply way too bad at certain things eh.

>>33617821
>Unicorns are poison
Unicorns do more to support vtubers than you ever will.
>and are dying out thankfully
No, they're just migrating to chuubas who aren't stupid enough to alienate them for no reason.

>>33617967
You're going back whether you like it or not, touristchama.

>>33618148
You sure are doing a lot of samefagging.

>>33617967
your preoccupation with displacing people from their home is off-putting

>>33618071
>don´t [get] too invested into this

it is too late: 155 / 8 / 62 / 1
they/them are samefagging so hard
Kiara antis having a total meltdown

>>33614504
she will be thinking twice when all the unicorns drop her because she's boring

>>33618222
>n-no you're samefagging!
Whatever makes you feel better.
The funny thing is that even if it is true, it doesn't change the core of your issue at all. Nice attempt at deflecting though! But please learn to have thicker skin before your next 4chan visit.

>>33618250
Hey I love Kiara. I never said anything bad about Kiara.

>>33618243
you think of this toilet as your home?

>>33616687
After Mori's hissyfit and refusal to fight on the season 2 rust finale she has soured the mood. Gura doesn't even wanna play it anymore due to Ame and Mori being boring bitches all season long.

>>33618390
Did i refer to myself? That said, I've been on the site for a long enough time to know that you're a dumb tourist that doesn't belong here, and that your lack of awareness of your position and level of arrogance despite it is a meaningless annoyance.

>>33618030
You do realize Mori made deadbeats the poster cucks after the whole Connor incident right? I would even say unicorn is this scared right now all thanks to that one reply on Twitter.

>>33619345
ugh well i really don't care enough at this point, we'll see how they do
i'll be enjoying the idols, there's plenty to watch

>>33603018
strange times

>>33603018
Looking at her newest song, it got 70k in 7 hours, chickens song got 140k in 7 hours (might be off by up to 1 hour for either of them because youtube refuses to round shit)

>>33613906
Kiara hasn't been the punching bag in probably more than half a year, her anti "movement" already collapsed way before the homo yabbening. You got the cuckbeat schizo in global and some scattered eggs that show up in split threads, what else? Before blaming the homo drama people claimed she only stopped being hated because of Mori.

The simple fact of the matter is that she just didn't really do anything for shitposters to latch onto for like a year so people moved on.