/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Mikeneko
Twitter: https://twitter.com/95rn16
Fanbox: https://mikenekoko.fanbox.cc/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC54JqsuIbMw_d1Ieb4hjKoQ
Twitcasting: https://twitcasting.tv/95rn16
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikeneko.x/
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@minyan84

>Nazuna Amemiya
Profile: https://www.vshojo.com/talent/nazuna
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gs8EbpwbfQvrhizJx60TA
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna (embed)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna

Do you guys think she regretted turning her back on her friends?

Me and my wife (after a date) (we love each other) (very much) (I want to see her soon) (I miss you Nazuna)

Looks like Nazuna won't be attending Kson's English lesson today

seems she bailed on the kson collab but seeing as how there isn't a specific negative reason for her to bail it makes me wonder if it has anything to do with gee idk...
the fucking TOPIC of the stream

That tweet from a few days ago about wanting to be more seiso makes a lot more sense now

>>33372239
I don't know if it could have been a curious topic (i mean, it's not collabing with a guy, it could be more like her talking about BL you know) or she just dodged a bullet. Probably the second one.
What is a pity is that we're not getting her meeting one of the 4 heavenly kings.
Also, Akari doesn't give a fuck anymore huh

>>33373209
I have no problems with her talking about BL or stuff since we know that she's actually a big fan of it, and it's nice to see her feeling more comfortable about her interests.
But I can't help but feel a bit of relief that she won't be in that stream. I'm sure someone from here will watch it anyways and see if it was anything worth getting worried about or not.

>>33373209
That doesn't hold that much against what she has been doing recently unless you considered being slightly lewd to your fans (in exclusivity) seiso.

>>33373368
Yea, in the one with Giri, I didn't mind the BL talk, but that part where Kson used "fucking Giri in the ass with my large futa cock" as an example felt like it crossed the line.

>>33373375
Fanservice like how that stream was, and learning English terms for wanting to fuck men is quite different.

Nazuna's sexy dance

clipped version with audio https://files.catbox.moe/beemdy.mp4

>https://twitter.com/nazunamng
Nazuna's manager made a few tweets apologizing about that collab stream, by the way
I'm still sort of glad that Nazuna won't be there, though.

>>33374709
Didn't know her manager had a twitter account

And people said kson isn't cancer dragging her down
>trying to make her talk about dating and fucking men

>>33376084
That's not what that stream is about, EOP.

>>33376234
You can't really blame people that much when Kson's own English translation for the stream is very crude.
At a very minimum, we'd be guaranteed a few bait threads here about it.

>>33376084
The subject of the class is how to leave a man
I don't like kson anyway, she has the humor of a child, she thinks that by yelling and talking about lewd things she's funny

>>33376741
>パコりたい
>leave a man
The EOP mass delusion is really impressive around her.

wow, can't believe kson invited nazuna to a class on how to fuck a man, can't imagine the threads if she'd attended.

>>33376824
actually What possessed kson to do this? She had to know nazuna's style would be a terrible fit for it. Did she just not care?

>>33376719
The translation is correct.
>bait thread
It's not bait when it's real. You just say it's bait because you pretend it's not real.

>>33376878
By bait thread, you know what I mean. A thread where people start spinning rrats about Nazuna or gossiping about shit. I don't really give a shit about defending other vtubers
Anyways, I was retarded because there is already a thread about this on the catalog and there has been for about 2 and a half hours now.

who cares
Nazuna is not attending so it has nothing to do with us
go make a bait thread about it if you're so bothered by it

>>33376963
>Nazuna is not attending so it has nothing to do with us
The collab is cancelled because she couldn't attend today, meaning they'll do it when she can.

>>33376963
Considering we don't know if Nazuna's reason to not attend is due to her health or if she actually pulled out due to feeling uncomfortable about the topic, it is actually important for us to talk about it. At the very least, pretending it has nothing to do with us is pretty dishonest, isn't it?

>>33377096
They will collab when they can anon, that's a given but I doubt it will be about the same thing. My bet is on Apex or something.

>>33377098
If she's not there then it has nothing to do with us
Besides, what are you gonna do other than bitch about it here? It's not like you can make Nazuna stop hanging out with Kson just because you think she's too crude
If Nazuna doesn't like the content of the stream she'll bail out of collabs in her own

>>33377241
>If she's not there then it has nothing to do with us
She was supposed to be ther and will be there. The collab is not happening specifically because she can't do it right now.
She didn't pull out and have the remaining two go ahead with it.

>>33377241
> It's not like you can make Nazuna stop hanging out with Kson just because you think she's too crude
Never at any point in my posts did I suggest this.
The topic of conversation has been known about for days, but I was giving Kson the benefit of the doubt over it. But considering this is Kson's post on Twitter about it, now I'm just curious about what on earth was going through her mind
>>33376719
Most people here are presumably in the same boat in that we weren't aware of just how crass this stream probably would have been until just a few hours before. Again, it's airing in an hour with just Kson and Akari, so someone here will probably watch it and report back if it was good or bad. But we, as her fanbase, do need to keep tabs on as much information about her and her surroundings as we can.

>>33377467
then what is so important to "discuss"? that Kson is crude as hell? or that she didn't think too hard about the topic of the stream?

>>33377544
I'm just here to inform people about this who might not be aware. It's important for us, as her fanbase, to keep tabs on all information about her (hence the stalking)
I'm not sure why you seem so offended by this prospect?

>>33377096
>>33377449
https://youtu.be/sjOJ6KYeZk0
fucking retarded bitch
piss off

>>33377709
You're not answering the question, what is important about discussing this? It's pretty obvious it's just to pick a fight with Kson's fanbase considering there's already someone bothering them on their thread

>>33377796
Why are you even in their thread? Literally all I care about is Nazuna.
Of course I'm going to make sure people are aware of circumstances around her, in a stream with a description saying things like
>how to: fuck a man
>パコりたい
>男を落とす英語を教えましょう
You're free to leave here if you have an issue with keeping people up to speed on info, because that's always been a core part of this thread. We cyberstalk Mikeneko with her express permission

>>33377933
>Literally all I care about is Nazuna.
clearly you don't since you seem dead set on talking about a stream that doesn't have anything to do with it
I'll stay here, if you have an issue with me calling out your stupid bullshit then you're free to leave.

>>33378006
>clearly you don't since you seem dead set on talking about a stream that doesn't have anything to do with it
What part of "she was literally going to be in this stream until just a few hours ago" can you not get through your retarded head? Or do you think next week's English class is suddenly going to have a more "seiso" topic?
You're free to keep your head in the ground like an ostrich, but the rest of us are going to have further concerns going forward. And I haven't forgotten that Kson also casually invited her to collab with rpr just this week too, on stream, no less.

I like how there literally isn't a single post that thinks kson could be teaching her how to flirt/seduce/fuck us(me) and immediately zooms off in the direction that stirs up the most shit.

>>33378077
If she's not on that stream then I don't care, if the next lesson is too crude then I'll bitch about it then.
>but the rest of us are going to have further concerns going forward
you're free to have all those concerns but you're not gonna do anything about them

>>33378148
Well, the stream happens in half an hour, so we can just check in to see what type of content is discussed

>>33378166
>you're free to have all those concerns but you're not gonna do anything about them
I'm sorry, anon. Did you miss the absolute massive shitstorm in here back in August? Are you being serious now? C'mon, now.
Saying something like this even as a joke is just going too far now.

>>33378299
I'm sure sending her DMs to bitch about Kson being crude is gonna go over well

>>33378322
That is literally my point, you fucking autist. Don't threaten people here saying
>lol, you wouldn't do anything lol
Because they will, and there will be actual consequences. Do you understand me now, you actual autist? That's why I said not to say that, even as a joke.

>>33378359
Looking at the temporary poal bunker and the twunker during the totsu drama was hilarious
People here would definitely think that DMing her about Kson would be a good idea

>I will harass my oshi if she learns shitty pickup lines in a joke stream
naruhodo

I don't care to judge anybody that isn't mike/nazu for their choices in content. I can think of nothing more ダルい and くだらん than giving a fuck about something so not worth giving a fuck about
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut there is not a single chance in hell I would ever not be sad about my literal, unironic girlfriend who I intend to spend the rest of my life with talking about the best ways to (他の)男を落とす for her and about how (他の)男とパコりたい
There's not many topics I'd daw a line with but thisnis one of them

>>33378451
>People here would definitely think that DMing her about Kson would be a good idea
If it gets that bad 100% yes. Not saying anything warrants it right now, but not everything is always sunshine and roses anon, if we have a problem it's important to let her know (her words)
What do you think would have happened if that dm fiasco didn't snap her out of whatever was going through her head at that time? Do you honestly think that would have been a better outcome? I'm sorry, but I cant sit on my ass and blindly accept anything Vshojo brings to table, just because I may potentially upset Mike in the process.

>>33379272
>people are actually willing to try and separate her from her BFF just because she's too crude
grim

>>33378669
Strawman anon
I will be upset at my literal, unironic girlfriend if she jokes about picking up other guys
Yes, even as a joke, that's fucked up. There is no context where cheating is okay and being cheated on is the only actually justifiable cause for immediate suicide
I remember almost slitting my wrists when she was coexed into saying エッチしたい by korekore and sometimes I still remember that clip and intentionally hurt myself
I don't need more painful implications ...

sometimes I wonder how some of you survived the Tamaki collabs

Either ignore or report the bitch for going off-topic. Nazuna ain't there so who gives a shit.

This is Cover's fault. Thankfully hololive is doing worse every day.

>>33379576
Tamaki is: 1)a girl, 2)a unicorn herself, and 3)straight
Joking about fucking dudes is not comparable

>>33379879
She was still joking about dating and flirting with a "male" during those collabs

>>33379962
Literally nobody actually treated tamaki like a male, including her

>>33379879
>Yes, even as a joke, that's fucked up
I think your trying to say the tone between these two examples are completely different, otherwise your contradicting yourself now.

>>33379879
>Tamaki is: ... a unicorn herself
She collabed with dudes and then got married.

>>33380112
Noripro literally has a section on their website explaining that some of their talents are not allowed to collab with men.

>>33380112
That has nothing to do with being her being unicorn, anon. Are you sure you know what the word means?

>>33379339
well, all ITT regulars should belong to a psychiatric ward, so it's not surprising

>>33380098
It's not just the tone, it's the entire situation
yandere skits with somebody of no threat(only possible with another fully heterosexual woman) is different than the implication of learning ways to fuck other guys

>>33380237
I've said this before, but I have no idea why you think this is an appropriate thing to say in a thread dedicated to a vtuber with multiple clinically diagnosed mental illnesses?

>>33380157
I do know what it means. Here's a word for you now: "hypocrite". If she felt that strongly about it she would live by those same rules herself.

>>33379669
Based

>>33380417
ogey

Threadly reminder that I will NEVER take meds and I DO have weekly mental breakdowns thst only end when she tells me she loves me

>>33380417
Yeah, no. You just demonstrated that you don't know what it means.

>>33381103
based

>>33381128
>Yeah, no
>>33381128
NTA but you should say 'yeah, no' it makes you sound retarded and people will not take what you say seriously.

I gave the collab a chance and am quickly realizing that whipe Kson might be crude Akari is the one constantly railroading the topic into being about her having sex with dudes picking her up or vice versa
It's been literally years since I last watched her, but unless this is one of those massive outliers, Akari has certainly stopped giving a fuck hasn't she

>>33381919
On their first meeting Akari said she wants to pako Kson because her voice made her horny.

>>33381919
She managed to stop losing subscribers for 2021 but it's happening again.

>>33382339
kson's voice makes your ears bleed

>>33381919
Same I was thinking because I don't see this attracting her many new fans.
No-otaku coomers would prefer RL women and otaku-coomers would prefer the content directed to them,
not feeling like a third wheel hearing a woman talk about the kind of things they never got to experience. It's more depressive than anything.
There's a reason why some specific kind of lewd content is defended in this board but sex anecdotes of [English chuuba] is not.

>>33382695
>There's a reason why some specific kind of lewd content is defended in this board but sex anecdotes of [English chuuba] is not.
and the reason is, of course

>thing
>thing, japan

>>33382873
Take this retarded argument to the catalog, you're literally in the general for a Japanese vtuber.

>>33381919
She's always been a 下ネタおじさん though I don't remember her straight up talking about sex during her first year (probably for obvious reasons)

>>33382980
i didn't realize hypocrisy was a core part of liking japanese vtubers

well that stream was a massive nothingburger, glad to see this thread freaked out about it for nothing

>>33383027
to be honest, "freaking out about it for nothing" is now a tradition of this thread

>>33383027
At the end, they used Taishi as an example for someone for Akari to "flirt with"
And I didn't watch it yet, but one of the terms was "knock you up"

>>33383405
>I didn't watch it yet

>>33383027
>people thought a hikki and possible actual virgin was going to teach actual hookup lines
You guys should learn a little about your oshi's friend

>>33383459
I don't know how to actually take screenshots on YouTube before you make jokes about the timebar being there, but do I really need to explain why I wouldn't be comfortable with Nazuna being in a collab with jokes like this?

>>33383641
go watch it then come back to whine

>>33383641
I literally don't see why her learning a slang for pregnancy would bother you. Do you know what happens in BL?

>>33383769
>Do you know what happens in BL?
Not pregnancy. Often times BL can just be shitty homo romance without any fucking just like how a lot of yuri is.

>>33383769
Why would I want to hear Nazuna talking about pregnancy on stream?

>>33383950
>he doesn't want to hear her talk about getting pregnant with our child
fag

>>33383904
It's smut, anon. The guys fuck each other.
>>33383950
>I don't want to start a family with my wife

>>33383769
>"that YOU got pregnant"
>"YOU"
I actually did watch the collab
Kson is crude but she's a lot like tofu during collabs. Her crudeness is flavored by the partner
And I'm glad that Nazuna didn't participate in that Akari flavored crudeness tofu because jesus fucking christ
It was genuinely about as bad as I was worried about but I didn't expect Akari to be the one that caused that

What happened to the heavenly kings I remember that innocently molested other girls by abusing their power instead of being whores...

Twitter @, you know which one
https://pastebin.com/03AYFU85

>>33384454
>strawpoll

>>33384454
I should clarify, the password doesn't have the @. You remember it, right?
>>33384492
Poal is down

If anybody thinks that her participating in that stream would have resulted in her talking about hooking up with us you are far too optimistic for your own good. It would've been about random hypothetical dudes. No, you being able to self-insert there is not some saving grace.

>>33384572
>didn't watch the stream

People say that we worry about everything, but what's actually starting to annoy me now is the exact opposite
The moment you bring up some concern, people immediately try to hammer you down and claim "it's no big deal". It's hard to even gauge how people feel because eventually, people will stop voicing their concerns here (but still have them in private, obviously).
I swear a couple of people have some agenda to pretend everything is always fine and that there are never any issues, and it's only going to blow up in their faces if a problem actually occurs.

>>33383989
>>33383994
I don't get why you two think pregnancy jokes is okay when it's one of the most rampant topics used to harass her with other than both of you being tourists. And I know one of you is the autistic tourist who's too retarded to know when to shut up, fuck off with your pasta rant nobody gives a shit.

>>33384611
I did watch the stream
I don't want my wife to talk about having off-pacos with men other than me like Akari did at some point halfwayish through

>>33384686
There's a difference between a devil's advocate and a doomsayer.

>>33384739
You call her your wife but have 0 trust in her. Why are you still here?

>>33384803
Yeah, and I now know how Cassandra felt.

I knew this place would turn against Kson soon enough

>jokes about wife fucking me=ok
>jokes about others fucking=ok
>jokes about wife getting involved with not me guys=not ok
basically my stance

>>33384851
>0 trust
I trust her to not do anything that could make me jealous because she said she wouldn't hurt me and jealousy is painful.

>>33384851
You can trust her and still say things like, "I wouldn't want her in that collab".
It's awkward for us, and it would have been awkward for her too. "Trust" isn't being a yesman to everything around her and saying everything will always be fine.
You're just using the word "trust" to deflect

>>33385101
>"Trust" isn't being a yesman to everything around her and saying everything will always be fine.
It actually is though.

Frankly, if you don't get incredibly jealous over her I don't know why YOU'RE still here.

>>33385142
I can be in love with her while also making fun of how retarded you guys act at the same time

>>33385138
You have an incredibly warped perception of trust.
I'm sure you think those nekofami who talk about how its fine for her to have a boyfriend trust her soooo much.

Except they don't. They're garbage, trash, and I would kill them if I could because they deserve to hurt for trying to take her away from me. The world is only good if she loves us and only us forever.

>>33385190
If you're not jealous over her you don't love her

>>33385273
I was incredibly jealous over the totsu drama, this whole Kson collab thing is such a non issue though
I'm not surprised though, you guys always overreact to stuff, I remember recently someone in the twunker got nervous over her liking some singer's post on twitter, that's how ridiculous you guys get at times

>>33385138
Oh so you are a retard, thanks so telling us straight anon.

Realiatically I just don't want her to be put in a position where streamer brain causes her to make a "joke" that makes me want to kms
I blame akari for this at this point if I'm being honest

>>33385039
>>33385101
And nothing in that stream would have betrayed that trust. I trust her to make the right call if something awkward would occur during a collab like today. That's not being a "yesman", that's trust. You guys outright having a meltdown over the sheer possibility of anything, no matter how insignificant, even remotely inappropriate happening is not trust, that is being controlling.

>>33384903
This thread is basically full of abusive boyfriends who are going to make her isolated and miserable. Nobody is good enough to be with her in their eyes except them. Not only romantically, but friendships too. Crazy ass dudes actually do this in real life, they won't let their girlfriends see their friends or family, sometimes won't even let them go to work or leave the house at all.

They're now at the point where they're having a breakdown over her collabing with one of her best friends and another industry professional because they don't like a joke that one of them made. They think she will actually start fucking other men IRL if she hears someone make a joke. It's insanity.

>>33385837
reminds me of the minecraft copypasta

>>33385837
>friendships too
Okay anon now I know you're larping, ksnk.
>they're having a breakdown
>Implying it isn't the one anon who says that he goes schizo over everything

>>33385794
I trusted her to never collab with a guy because it's against her core principles as a person to do so
I still have nightmares every day because of the totsu
Fuck off

>>33385956
You deserve them.

Are we really going to timeloop this shit again? You know it's funny how there was a bait thread earlier about this in the catalog and as soon as that shit died down this general suddenly began speeding along.

>>33385837
I literally didn't bat an eye over her eroge and BL talk.
It doesn't matter how hard you shame, joking about fucking somebody else while in a relationship isn't okay, ever.

I even said Kson wasn't the peoblem here, it was fucking Akari.

>>33386060
It's important to talk about this topic, it's what she would want

>>33386002
Why? For believing in her promises and loving her like she asked me to?

>>33386135
It was important to talk about totsugate when it was relevant, not to drag it out after it's over with and thus far she's shown that we can trust her, or was directly saying no to the rpr collab not enough? I agree she shouldn't ever joke about having sex with someone else whiles she's in a relationship with us, that's just bad fucking taste, but please let's not loop the totsu shit.

>>33385899
>>33386127
When Nazuna hears Akari make a pako joke, will she:

A.) Have sex with men
B.) Laugh while she banters with Kson for a bit and then everyone moves on

Who knows, really.

>>33386230
She will get pregnant inmediately, obviously
a baby will just magically appear in her belly
that baby?
me

>>33386164
For your inability to understand the situation, and everything surrounding it. You using that as an example just validates my point. That's why you deserve them and you certainly don't deserve her love.

>>33386230
Banter about what anon? Answer me that real quick. Btw, we already said it wasn't about Kson.

>>33386345
While Akari banters with Kson

>>33386345
>we

>>33386230
>banters about having pako with other men
Joking about having sex with other people to your SO is unironically psychological abuse and any therapist would agree
Whether you do or do not doesn't make it any less painful to hear

Can you guys please stop talking about something she wasn't involved and in fact turned down in the first place?

>>33386463
>>33386396

>>33386479
How much you want to bet its one schizo from /here/ and a bunch of tourists going back and forth.

If Cover hadn’t mercilessly executed her over nothing we would be talking about Amogus and posting fanarts of a likely new outfit right now…
Instead we get this

>>33386311
>For your inability to understand the situation, and everything surrounding i
Hand waving bullshit. All you're doing is implying it's okay to put that kind of pain behind you but pain doesn't go away nor should it. But I digress because I hate timeloops

>>33386540
>Amogus
meds
the twunker hasn't even played a single game of amogus yet
lying bastards

>>33386479
>and in fact turned down in the first place?
Are we even sure she turned it down because of the content? She's been feeling unwell already and could have refused it on those grounds alone. And do we even know if she was aware of exactly what kind of lines they'd be learning
Akari was the one who suggested the anal line, not even Kson

https://twitter.com/NKOK__S/status/1561957986243080194
Me, but genders inverted and the female one is Michael Neko plus the same stipulations

>>33386567
Context is key, but my words are wasted on you.

>>33386733
NTA anon, bt you haven't even explained the context at which you made the statement. What are you reffering to and referencing when you day "context".

>>33386578
>Twunker
Now that you remind me, that place has been completely silent on this “issue.” Makes me think it’s just one schizo baiting here.

>>33387066
The bulk of discussion happened elsewhere.
Hell, even the public Nazuna Discord had a few people breathe a sigh of relief to see that she wasn't part of the collab.

>>33386847
Read the previous posts. If you aren't aware of the totsu circumstances you're going to have to backread some threads. It has been discussed to death here and everywhere else.

>>33386540
They did it on purpose. Cover hates all of the girls.

>>33387167
There’s a Nazuna discord?!?

>>33387342
Unofficial.
Anyways, going off of the poll from earlier, it's safe to say most of the regulars here aren't browsing at the moment (or at all, who knows?)
We should have at least 30+ people here who know that password

>>33387342
It's not official, it's about as shitty as you'd expect though

Mouse just said soon she'll have Nazuna and Kson on her talk show SOTD

>>33391371
at the same time? makes sense
should be fun

>>33391644
Yeah she said Kson will be the translator

I'll have to give props to mouse for not getting a male translator, though to be honest If it was like haachamas interview I probably wouldn't have had an issue anyways but it's the thought that counts

Anybody tracking what she's been up to today? She's been unusually silent for quite a while now.

>>33395433
Well we know that she is not having sex with men, given that she missed the English lesson today.

>>33395433
I think she has either changed her sleep schedule and is sleeping at night or she has been awake all day and fell asleep at night to try to correct her schedule.
It's weird that she hasn't even posted a tweet replying to kson for not being in English class

>>33396330
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>33399775
I wonder if Nazuna realises how easily she could get a metric shit-ton of new outfits?

love wife

>>33395433
she felt like shit yesterday so if we're lucky she's 無理しないing

Also I must speak in vagueries but if you can wtill see the thing the new rule is to not talk about the thing, you should know why given what you saw the thing become at one point 2ish days ago too
Also I'm menhera and it's not something menhera worthy, just standard "don't make her mad" protocol

>>33403108
I genuinely can't understand this one.

Thanks Mouse. A female TL is one less jealous twinge I'd have, so I can sit down and enjoy it in full worry free
Arigatou, looking forward to it
(You will almost certainly get awkward questions sent in but I'll trust that you know how to filter them with Nazuna and us in mind)

>>33403306
Hinto:
◯◯◯◯キモすぎ

>>33403416
I don't know what actually pisses me off more: the fact that we have to resort to vagueries or the fact that I actually understand what you're talking about now

I find it ironic that Kson is doing what you all expected Vei to do with Nazuna and friends.
Meanwhile Vei has been pretty much respectful

We love Kson here

>>33403330
No worries Kson is an expert and will do all the filtering.

Twitter @, you know which one (the password doesn't have the @)
https://pastebin.com/03AYFU85
I'll go one more time then. I can't tell if we've actually lost a decent amount of regulars or it's just a slow day.

>>33409354
tbf, there's been no activity from her this entire time

>>33409354
>Imagine doxxing your IP address
Lmao fuck off

So, it's confirmed that Kson is trying to push Nazuna into male collabs (with RPR)? Sorry i don't have twitter.

https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna/status/1571275335114821635
Stream soon(ish)

>>33413398
That didn’t take long

>>33413398
deleted?

I really don't know if she just got up or if she is going to sleep

Why even delete that kek

>>33414035
Who knows, maybe she remembered she had something to do or maybe she will stream at night

Streamer Freedom to be seiso!

>>33414035
Please specify anon, you are essentially reffering to thousands of her deleted tweets

>>33414035
Probably just a heads up that she might stream and if she doesn't people won't nag her about it

real issue is mac 2 days in a row

>>33414657
Tabs?

>>33414657
>>33414705(me)
Nvm, know what you are reffering to now.

Mac again. I don't mind if she gets a little more weight. JP girls do tend to be underweight. Maybe why they get sick a lot.

She ordered another mac lmao
I do also wish she gains more weight. she needs to be healthier

GUERILLA!

https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna/status/1571299906215899136

I'm sick of guerrillas, if you want to be a streamer commit to a schedule, don't do 3 streams a week and with completely different times

Good Stream

SHES BACK

This is a new Translator. First time I've seen them

Be mentally ready anons, she's gonna get a fat raid from Mouse in an hour or so

>>33419573
I prefer a consistent schedule myself. These guerilla's have been messing with my sleep.

She just said she can only do guerilla's for now. No strength to play games. huh I see.

Venting stream

Just steam as Mikeneko and get rid of Nazuna

>Can't even speak English. Someone help me.
Nazuna needs to be saved by the Eigo language...

Hmm. Does she want to not stream for JP anymore but deal with EN because of what she's been experiencing the last 6-7 months? Wondering because of all these guerilla's. Like EN hours are her haven.

>>33419573
Welcome to Vshojo/Twitch

>>33420649
If that's the case this is prime EN hours

Its still odd that Nazuna can only be on Twitch right now. Hope she can get on Youtube one day.

I thought Twitch changed their exclusivity rules?

It’s probably Cover.

wtf did you guys catch that? If she says something about her contract she'll get fired. tf is this.

>>33421147
They did. Anyone can stream both youtube and twitch

>>33421371
Yeah I caught it as well.

Vwhores promised her a lot and delivered nothing. She lost almost everything on Twitch and is going to feel worse and worse with each day. For her own good she should leave them before it's too late.

Why does she force herself in this way?

She says she’ll delete the archive

I'm not getting this. Is VShojo taking something from her or are they not? Thought they don't. Maybe she has a different contract then kson does?

>>33421371
But talent freedom?!?!

This is too much verbal vagueposting

>>33422280
We can't really know since she's being vague as hell like usual

>>33422280
I don't think this is it, they don't take any cuts from any of the other girls

Wait, did she really say that she is disappointed with amount of money she is making?

>>33422280
Maybe she's just not happy about being exclusive only to Twitch? Who knows, but Twitch or VshojoJP sure have their cracks showing.

Twitch allow for youtube streams
Vshojo allows youtube streams (see kson)

The contract she talked about might be something she has on mike with youtube?
I thought it could be a cover thing that doesn't allow competition for a while after the contract since i know a lot of companies have that kind of terms but idk
This is either a mike or rushia thing i can't see anything that could stop her from dtreaming on youtube as nazuna, especially stopping her since before debut

>>33422540
>>33422616
That's what I'm thinking. I don't like when she's vague. Where is this sudden stuff about twitch about. She knows she has Mikeneko to use on youtube.

Cover non-compete clause on Youtube? That wouldnt explain her comments about being unhappy with the money though

>>33422280
Maybe the paid translators are too expensive to maintain but if she doesn't use them her viewership on Twitch will likely plummet since she talked about JP are slow to adopt Twitch thus her lamentation on the contract about not being able to stream on YT. Though I don't understand Twitch just changed their rules and no longer force exclusivity so theoretically she should be free to stream on YT. Perhaps she is not aware? The change is recent and happened after she joined Twitch.

I don’t see why she can stream as Mike on YouTube but not as Nazuna. I don’t see why VShojo would stop her from doing so while allowing literally everyone else to do it.

>>33422836
If it's on Mikeneko that fuckin sucks for her.

>>33422836
The Cover thing you'd be thinking of would be a noncompete clause in a contract, but I highly doubt that would apply given the circumstances under which she left. My guess is, and this is just spitballing because I genuinely don't know, but that it could have something to do with already having monetization and streaming enabled on a different account. Are individuals allowed to run more than 1 account on Youtube that way? I'd think it's Mikeneko that could be posing a problem since neither VShojo nor Twitch should have any issues with her streaming on Youtube.

Can we finally be released from this hell of V-shojo and have her back to Mikeneko?
Us kaigai fans don't want you to be in vshojo please
please leave vshojo, we will support you

Creative freedom my ass

>>33424249
I cant believe VshojoJP ended up being a black company this quick.

>>33423906
VShojo doesn't have problems with streaming on Youtube.
Nyan, Mouse and Kson have streamed without issues, they are just legally obligated to not stream a the same time on both platforms, but right now that isn't applied anymore. I mean ffs, if you are gonna blame that VShojo doesn't let her stream on YT, check Melody streaming on CB.

>Doesn't make schedules
>Goes live at random hours unannoucned
>Complains about Twitch adoption by JP viewers as well as money
Just seems a bit hypocritical when she's being this vauge

Her folks are ok with international marriage. I'M IN BOYS!

Once again shitting on vshojo when there's nothing pointing at them for this, as other said it's probably a non-compete thing or a mike thing
Why do you always have to do this shit, it's so fucking pointless

>>33424249
>Don’t name other companies
I’m telling you it’s cover

There is a reason why no one sane likes vshojo. Even Twitch indies avoid them. It's a cesspool of retards who can't handle drama, help their "talents" and fulfill their promises.
Too bad she had to learn it the hard way.

this woman will never be happy, she'll always find some bizarre reason to feel miserable

>>33425185
No its clearly nijisanji

>>33425426
Depression is a bitch.

>>33425246
WTF do you mean, they would collab with them if they could

> If I step out I get like PTSD and suddenly can't breathe so I can't just step out that easily y'know
>I'm a hikikomori angel
Nazuna...

I kinda leaning that she's just complaining like usual and nothing serious as she said when she started to talk about this. Even though I was happy to marriage stuff I think she just means it as something to vent. Depression basically.

>>33425246
back to your containment thread tourist

>>33425246
>Even Twitch indies avoid them.
Lmao this is so false, i can understand if by indies you mean literal 2views or /here/tubers but i never saw any indie with more than 50 views avoid vshojo

I wouldn't be surprised if she's just not aware of the new Twitch rules

>>33425733

>>33425939
Back to your thread you tourist as well

The Cover Schizo was right.

>>33426122
wrong tab, my ESL buddy?

>>33425887
Sane take? In this thread?
I bet you took your meds today, too.

Paid vsluts shills are working overtime today.

Get an actual schedule and maybe more people will show up

>>33425185
A non-compete is the only thing that makes sense. They clearly don't have an issue with existing personas continuing (Kson, Mike), but joining a group under a new persona is much more likely to be restricted, as that's how groups like Cover and Anycolor operate. Or perhaps their contracts got more strict after Coco graduated, and she signed the new one, which is why she has problems while Kson didn't.

Her lawyer could also be trying to prevent her from streaming there due to an ongoing lawsuit.

This is sad for the former top superchatted VTuber

Would it be possible to have a evil ass contract as a non-compete but also insert that if they do compete in another company to live that they will share in some of the profits too?

>>33428197
obviously not

>>33427340
That's the only situation I could think of that would fit all the criteria as we currently understand it. A blanket noncompete is probably too heavy handed for any decent company to make talents sign, but NDA's should still apply after a termination and overly specific requirements like that could be the cause of the problems.

Seeing myself vindicated over her debuting in youtube in the first place, what a way to kill part of her numbers.

I wonder if it is Twitch itself. She said "I wish I had debuted on YT instead" which seems to indicate she can't "yet" stream on both platforms maybe because Twitch won't let her until she's partnered or after so many months?

Oh... ok that seems to be it then. It's because twitch is a overseas platform and youtube isn't for Japanese audience. Kinda like the Xbox situation. She loves the freedom of twitch since youtube isn't like that but as mentioned above that's one of her complaints...

Vshojo is definitely not preventing her from streaming on Youtube, there is definitely something else preventing her

>>33428953
Also a possibility but barely. it'd mean that they're stated eligibility for streaming on both sites only kicks in after a certain period of time. Which isn't impossible especially with companies this huge, but it also seems like someone would have brought that up by now with how big a deal Twitch was making over changing that part of their partnered contracts.

She's crying...

>>33428953
No, that's not how twitch works. They eliminated all clauses barring twitch streamers from stremaing on Youtube. Its free reign. its either a non-compete from Cover, or something from Vshojo

>>33428953
Many streamers can stream both on youtube and Twitch.

Have any of you mentioned about the twitch contract? Please let her know...

>>33428953
She started out on Twitch as an affiliate which never had a exclusivity clause.
>>33429639
Kson DM'd her about it on one stream (while she was asleep).

We never should've let her join vshojo in the first place

>>33429639
I saw a few people telling her she can stream on Youtube with no issue earlier

>>33428953
No, she wasn't partenered until last week or so, there's no way twitch stopped her from going to youtube, twitch has exclusivity contracts but only with a few of the very top streamers, im talking like top50 and even then they dont even try to keep them when they get bought by youtube, i can't imagine twitch giving a shit about nazuna on youtube

>>33429639
I'm assuming it has to be something she genuinely can't talk about. Unless she started this stream without asking a single other person about the terms of her partnership then she should be informed on what is or isn't possible. It'd have to be something outside of the Twitch + VShojo ecosystem preventing it. Whether that's YT or Cover or something else is a mystery though.

She's hinting at more things than just the streaming platform and i really don't understand what despite following her in all the places

Here's the thing
Both Gunrun and MTD (Mel included) know about how Twitch handles stuff, and there are obvious meetings. It's definitely something else entirely that prevents her for streaming on YT.

>>33429866
OK was wondering if I was the only one as I don't think she's noticed.

>>33430040

this should've been a mikocast

>>33430194
But does she even have meetings with Gunrun (who knows everything about this stuff). She probably only meets with the JP people

>>33430879
They meet with him virtually.

I feel it wouldn’t have evolved to this point if she just misunderstood the rules. Someone should have told her by now.

>>33430879
No, managers handle that. Consider that VShojo isn't a huge company, is fairly small. So, if the manager hears some pitch from the talent, the manager then approaches obviously the team.
So even if she's not directly speaking to Gun or MTD, even her manager must know what she can do for her.

The antis really wont let up. For JP specifically?

oh noes

Fuck we got mentioned

Oh no...

oof

linking her to this thread was the biggest mistake ever and I will always blame the retard that thought it was a good idea to send her here
even if she asked him he should've just declined

>twitch chat shit talking 4chan
Why do they hate us for existing...

Wait, 4ch for the JP site or 4chan/nel or here?
Also who the hell is sending her those links?

We're better than 5ch at the very least

But the majority of us here want her. Why is the focus on the few mf anti's and schizo's? Why are the rest of us being ignored Nazutan?

>commenting on 4chan
I LOVE YOU NAZUNA I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU
IF YOU ARE HERE I LOVE YOU.

It's literally your fault, she just said it, i hope it was worth it shitting on her for joining vsj and that discord call, you made her cry, kys

Nazuna, love you so much but please don't go here.

I don't hate you Nazutan.... don't look down on us because of a few anti's who hate you when we defend you...

Wait, if she is talking about this board, then how would she know enough eigo to know what people are saying?

reminds me of the time she wanted to do a marshmallow reading for antis as Rushia
she gets the weirdest ideas sometimes

That black company needs to burn to the ground. They can’t enforce a non compete clause if they’re gone.

>>33432046
What's google translating pages huh?

I actually hate Twitch chat lmao. Why are they so extremist? I post McChicken shitposts on my cooking board, I look at animals on the animal board, I laugh at idiots getting rugpulled on biz, we're not all evil /pol/ villains.

This community should have been kept private to her all along. I can't forgive the retard who linked her here.

>>33431657
to be fair 4channel.org/vt/ shits on twitch all the time too

>>33431512

>>33432266
Youtube would answer just the same at a 4ch mention. Don't kid yourself

>>33432266
nah this place is a cesspit and has been since newfag summer 2006

>>33432266
Have you been outside 4chan? Everyone hates us, its a normie take.

>>33432417
I hate Youtube and the rest of the normies too. I wish they weren't so feeble-minded and could think for themselves but all they do is think "oh 4chan that's the evil terrorist baby killing nazi website" as if /pol/ is the entire website.

>>33432165
For every single comment though?

>>33432336
They shit on anything that's not holo desu

>>33432601
you're not a free-thinking genius for posting on a shithole full of fucked up schizos

You bunch of retards
It's good twitch shit on here, I'm even dogpiling on 4ch now in her chat
If you want her to think this is a good place and eventually have her visit here more you are either retarded or an anti, she just said how she cried for what people said here, imagine how bad it would be if she comes to check regularly

>>33432715
I actually am.

They probably linked to this board either using snippets of what a mf anti or schizo said or the thread was heavily being posted by these bitches when those of us weren't online. There's no way she can only be emotionally attacked reading negative comments but not the positive.

>>33432722
You think anyone wants her to visit /here/? Are you fucking retarded?

>>33432601
It's a doubled edge sword. Yeah its silly for /pol/ to be viewed as the entire site, but it also is a containment for people that view the site as some edgy srs battleground.

Be ready anons mouse is about to end

>>33432573
That's for the other threads and some in /vt/ not specifically on this thread. The racist bitches get reported which is oxymoronic imo.

>>33432976
Her friend is having a 3d debut, might raid her instead

Vshojoのファンのせいでこのスレは荒らされてる。このスレはるしあの時やみけねこの時いつも君に優しかったけどvshojoのファンはひどいこと言ってる

Nazuna doesn't seem to be quitting any time soon at least

>>33433194
Lol
Lmao even

>>33433194
Why you lyin'?

>>33433175
If you mean snuffy she debuted her 3d a while ago

I'm secretly glad the JP Antis exist because it's made her love us more.

Hololiveのファンのせいでこのスレは荒らされてる。このスレはるしあの時やみけねこの時いつも君に優しかったけどHololiveのファンはひどいこと言ってる

>>33433538
That's what I figured when I wrote this >>33420649

Still the other parts she's said bothers me so I can understand her view on twitch being a overseas platform with not a lot of jp viewers while they feel better over at youtube. The freedom twitch offers over youtube she enjoys so it's a back and forth on her.

>>33433485
newfag
Compare June to July or September

Quiet farm life with my wife Nazuna would be nice...

Well if she was low on money this stream helped

She should bring back that plan of living on the moon with all of us

Nazuna please see a doctor

How do I save her...

We should start #WeLoveNazuna

It seems like one of the reasons she was doing was to try to get back some of the overseas fans who according to her left. Apart for a few hundred who were vshojo tourists that weren't going to stay i don't know if that's true.
In any case, a consistent announced schedule with fun games to watch would be a good start. Twitch is about grinding after all.

feels like it might be worth using more english to chat with her from now on

>>33433871
Why you lyin'?

>>33435005
She has 3000 viewers right now

>>33435164
Yeah, I mainly used Japanese for convenience to her but I going to just use English, even if she can't understand that well it will help her.

>>33435005
A good consistent schedule with good times for overseas viewers would be great, maybe even ask Kson if they could host the english collabs on her channel instead

She technically streamed on YouTube during the kson collab. Why can she just move platforms? It’s ok even if she debuted there.

>>33432722
woah, I just came to look around here cause I heard she was depressed, and one of you actually told her to come here? My god....did anyone tell her the nature of this place or anything?

>>33435276
3.9K. if you're going to numberfag about it at least be more accurate

>>33435276
Almost 4k at 11 am japanese time guerilla. She didn't lose that many people in comparison with her average.

I love るしあ

>>33435005
Don't know about Americans, but where I'm at it's 3:20AM right now. Building an English audience out of her Jjapanese base was always going to be an uphill battle.

I do not know what she means by asking for overseas support. Views? Subs? SC? Commenting?

MTD is watching hopefully they can talk with her after

>>33435735
Comments probably, there is a lot less mostly because most of her overseas use mainly Japanese for convenience to her, she mainly just wants to see them in chat.

>>33435687
It's 7:20 to 10:20PM depending on where you are in NA. Not a terrible time.

>>33435735
commenting
EN fans can go silent at times, which makes sense since most of them are waiting for the TL to post, but it just makes it seem like there's little to no overseas fans at times

>>33435957
They have had years to do JP reps.

>>33435884
You sure? Maybe I should stop posting in Japanese then and type simple English. But when I do that she probably doesn't see them. Especially how she is now after calming a bit down.

I wish I knew a good way to phrase "I love you even though you're a menhera"

>>33436119
That's kinda the problem, most of her long times and general overseas fans use Japanese to comment, she wants to see the English in the comment section.

>>33436317
I wonder if commenting in romaji is a good middle ground? Like would she see the English characters and know you're kaigai but also be able to understand what you're saying?

>>33435526
And this is while streaming over Gura’s animation release

Subscriber streams with Nazuna maybe

subscribers only streams are still a thing on Twitch, right? I know they remove features sometimes if they don't get used

>>33436719
As if there's any overlap lol

To grow on Twitch and have a steady fan base it is important to have a fixed schedule and do things that people like.
If she is doing guerrillas at different times it is normal that her fan base is not maintained, plus she says that Japanese people don't use Twitch much, but lately when she does stream is bad time for Japanese people.
The first thing she has to correct is her sleep schedule, or at least get some sleep

>>33436509
I think it would be a good step in the right direction since she could probably be able to enunciate them. Of course you should also put in some EN text so Nazuna knows you're an overseas viewer.

>>33436894
My only concern is I'm a kaigai so I use hepburn and actual Japanese people use kunrei so they struggle to read hepburn sometimes.

She keeps asking us to come back...

I think she'll be fine the only thing I'm still puzzled about is the money comment she made earlier, did she expect Rushia numbers or twitch taking a lesser cut? From what Kson said in vshojo you are basically an indie you just have to sell their merch and they help you with tech stuff and support you if you need help with things

>>33437160
Merch?

>>33437146
Yeah, I don't know what she means anymore. There are a lot of people speaking and chatting in plain English. I wonder what analytics she's looking at.

>>33436753
They aren't private so they basically aren't used. I used to have a link that showed all the active ones on the platform and I never saw more than like 4-5 live at a time, with maybe a couple dozen viewers each.

>so depressed she can't even find motivation to play Splatoon
Alright, this is seriously bad.

>>33437160
We know she's dealing with legal issues atm, and they are probably expensive.

>>33437374
>During a Subscriber Stream, anyone can access your channel for a free preview
Yikes

>>33437390
It doesn't help that she sounds like she doesn't eat much and has problems with going outside.
Given her problems with antis this makes a ton of sense.

>>33437553
Not eating much or going outside was bad, but not even wanting to play a game like Splatoon 3 is much worse.

>>33437530
Didn’t she say something along the lines of wanting to sue every anti even if she goes broke on her Mike account?

>>33437248
Check their website

She doesn't seem to realize that her overseas fans have been with her. Repeating for overseas fans from I think her debut and from the second stream to comeback isn't gonna happen, Nazutan.

>>33437390
Hopefully she feels better by the time the splatfest begins, it'd suck if she missed it

Let's make some people here tweet her about how to grow in twitch:
- Consistent schedule.
- Announcing streams some hours beforehand.
- A good somewhat consistent streaming time (so if most of her audience is japanese she should stream at some hours and she should stream at others for other countries)
- Being part of a box (in twitch this could mean collabing with Vshojo girls and raiding and getting raided)
- Trying to surf the wave of FOTMs. APEX or other random competitive multiplayer games only really work for people who are really good at it and focus on it almost exclusively.
Also tell her while they're usually looked down upon so no one really does them twitch does have a way to do subscriber only streams. And that the overseas audience never left, they're always around.

>>33437146
It's not us
It's either the masses of twitch EOP vshojo babbies that won't come back, or a few long time fans that went mental and might be dead

>>33437662
Depression, maybe in the clinical sense that she probably has, is a hell of a drug. Once it hits you it fucks you up on top of any existing mental health issues you may have.

>>33437841
I don't know if it counts as long time but I was Fandead for a year and I'm still here.

>>33437160
She is almost certainly making less money on Twitch than she would on Youtube, given how much time she used to spend doing superchat readings. Kson has a similar style and she makes more from superchats than she does in bits.

>>33437766
Literally everything on their website has been sold out for months and Nazuna herself has had zero merch

That's the thing. I though she would know that a lot of the people who stays for the debut and second stream are going to leave regardless of how you do. It's how it works. The holos have hundreds of thousands on debut and then flatten to 10k viewers.
>>33437834
I forgot something important. Most big streamers use their youtube channel to make viral clips and upload their archives.

>>33438005
She can also do a bits reading segment on twitch

>>33438038
She had that poster with Kson. Also didn’t Mikeneko say on a TwitCasting that she was planning to release merch? What happened to that?

>>33438193
You need third party software to track bits in order to do that, twitch doesn't save their messages like Youtube does.

>>33438245
There's a lot of work and effort that goes into merch, probably even more so in Vshojo than in Hololive, and she legitimately does not have the energy to do that.

>>33438172
Yeah but the drop off on twitch is much more massive and sudden, and the numbers to start with don't reac the same high.
She was consistently having 10k for a bit after her debut though

>>33438385
That's only true for like 3-4 streams.

>But thinking my overseas fans went away it was like feeling my shards of hope disappearing
Nazunaaaaa, i never left...

>>33438599
Nazuna… have more faith in me than that…

>>33438500
So? She's depressed, low self esteem and her new "family" is pretty much all hands off. She probably thinks she did something wrong and that's why she went from 60k > 10k > 5k in a week

>>33438599
I wish I could tell her I never left but I don't think she realizes I exist.
I was with her from green to pink to angel, this entire time.

>>33438312
When you stream on twitch, from the stream deck there is another window like chat that tells her the activity feed, like who followed, subscribe, gave subs or bits. There is an option to filter things and she can filter everything but bits

>>33438674
She did do something wrong, she chose to stream for Vshojo on twitch. That killed her entire casual youtube Rushia audiencr and her Jap audience.

>>33438813
She doesn't know anything about twitch, youtube, ads and viewer experience
She probably heard how amazing twitch was from kson
So how is she only getting 4K? What did she do wrong?
That's almost certainly what she was thinking

>>33438599
I left but she brought it about herself by joining vshojo and being on Twitch

>>33438948
Maybe she should plan and schedule better

>>33438948
That why i was saying SERIOUSLY the points i made in the past post. Get 5-6 people to tweet this at her (in a lovingly crafted message in Japanese with her twitter hashtag) and she will likely read it.