/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33375291
They get like ten thousand applicants each time or more, of course they can pick one that fits the model. Pretty sure work on the model has already started by the time hiring has finalized.

>>33375291
They hire the talents first, then the manager, whoever they are, gets most/all of the input on the design.

>>33375291
WAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

>>33375291
WAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>33375291
Watch more streams. Ame was initially going to be the shark, but they felt like the voice didn't fit. Mori said multiple times that she wanted her model to be a flat chested tomboy. If you're in a major corp, you get zero say.

>>33375291
Talents can go through revisions of the models.
Basically the artists draws a bunch of similar rough design (they change like clothes and hairstyle) and the talents choses which one they like, this multiple times.
Then they can request small changes.
Ofc everything goes through management, like Gura wanted an ahoge and they said no.

This was holo before council, things might have changed

>>33375291
You really think that Sana and IRyS would choose those models?
It is kinda shocking that fettibg into a corpo is a dice roll You can get a garbage model that will debuff you so much from the start, that recovering would be extremely difficult.

>>33375915
I seriously don't understand, why couldn't Cover just hire another artist or just tell them to begin again from scratch? I refuse to believe that there is a team in Japan that saw Sana's design and said "Yeah this looks good, it's ready for debut"

>>33375291
The only Holos with real input are Sora and Suisei.

>>33375291
Yagoo has confirmed that talents have a lot of input on their design.

>>33376280
>"Yeah this looks good, it's ready for debut"
This is Hololive. They could do anything and their fans would gobble it up.

>>33375635
You expect me to believe it was a total coinicidence they just happened to have a shark lined up when she applied? And that she wouldn't be immedaitely on the very top of the pile?

>>33375915
People have different tastes, I think IRyS is fine for instance. You could have posed the same question to the staff, it explains nothing.

>>33376424
Thanks!

fauna is kinda fishy…
>mother nature is vegan animal lover

>>33375503
>>33375537
yo, where's Okayu?

>>33376494
Sure, they could, but is it really worth it to release a design you know is shit (like Sana's) and then have a member make half the views of the rest of the gen?

>>33376280
>why couldn't Cover just hire another artist or just tell them to begin again from scratch?
t. has never had a job or taken a business course

>>33375291
Erina had almost complete input on her design. The only thing that didn't get through was that she originally intended her height to be 204cm, but Fishman insisted on nerfing it to 190.

>>33375291
She's mostly right, but there's no way that Gura didn't get to choose to be a blue shark. At least some of them get to have input on their characters.

>>33376559
Maybe they didn't realize, maybe they were trying to fill niche or maybe they did expect Sana to actually stream. In the end, nobody can realizably tell how many viewers you will get. It's not like all popular Holos have some outstanding designs.

>>33376739
>It's not like all popular Holos have some outstanding designs
Gura appeals to a specific "niche" that is actually not a niche but a huge population, Mori has the most normalfag coombait design in EN, Marine has the most coomerbait personality and Pekora is the normalfag bait for JP

>>33376424
Not really. They do have some input, but it is minimal. Search the gura's clip where she discusses how the changes to her hoodie costume were not implemented in the way she wanted.

>>33376501
No, it means that they saw Fauna’s rm and decided she fit the character perfectly. That’s the reason they say getting rejected from a big corpo isn’t always because your streams are ass (although often it is).
There could easily have been someone who was “better” than Fauna, but who didn’t fit the character better than she did. Of course, at that level it’s subjective, all I mean is they took the ones they liked and probably picked the last five based partly on talent and partly on how well they fit the character.

>>33375291
>But she also claimed that even Gura didn't choose to be a shark. Now I'm a filthy casual, but even I know that's bullshit
Even she confirmed this you dumb fuck.
https://youtu.be/qgMKIdy4qjg?t=2425

>>33375291
Coco actively nagged on Yaman/Management to make her base models boobs bigger, she brought it up on a stream ages ago

>>33376498
You may think it's fine, and I do too, but IRyS has been open about the fact that she's wanted her model changed for a long time, and has been fighting with management until they finally agreed to do a revision. No way she would have chosen it if she didn't like it from the beginning.

>>33376280
Commisions from professional artists cost serious money and time, and the corp is not gonna spend that on what is a contract worker who couldn´t even start working (obviously.) They´re gonna tell the talent to suck it up or choose a different model.

>>33377818
How much can that cost, come on, it can't possibly be more than 5k.
If they knew how little she would stream they wouldn't have hired her in the first place.
>or choose a different model
You've just contradicted yourself

>>33375291
OP, how new are you? Corpos get artists to draw it beforehand, and they’re usually big names. The fact that the girl doesn’t get to pick her character is something everyone here already knows. They tell you which character you’re going to be if you get in, and if you don’t like it you decline their job offer.
If you want to get paid, you can’t waste the company’s money. And the characters are designed before the auditions are held.

>>33377579
This fucking bitch, i'm glad she graduated

>>33375830
>This was holo before council, things might have changed
With how Kronii keeps hiding her boobs, Rrat pathetic attempts of having a chaotic personality and Tempus everything it's pretty much certain that absolutely nothing has changed. The first model, at least for EN in general, is completely done under Cover's input with very few accessory changes asked by the talents, like Gura's teeth. Only the future models have a bigger input from the talents, like how Mori's first outfit and second 3D model are pretty much the kind of fashion she likes, with the very rare instances of a complete rework, like how it happened with Nene (most likely influenced by the Chink debacle), Flare and Astel (both never really liked their original models). IRyS is the next one to get one, but who knows when it'll finally happen.

irys...

>>33377958
>the characters are designed before the auditions are held.
I was under the impression that this varies. I thought I heard that Hololive stopped doing this after gen 3.

>>33376424
>onigiri on sweater = a lot of input

>>33378249
Can't be, IRyS is open about the fact that she's never actually liked her model. She clearly had no input in the process.

>>33378116
> like how Mori's first outfit and second 3D model are pretty much the kind of fashion she likes
This pretty much sums up why I liked her at first and was actually a deadbeat until her first outfit. It was basically because I liked her when she still (somewhat) played the character and stopped liking her when she started acting like herself.

>>33377526
At best they designed her without asking her first, but I refuse to believe the shark hoodie is a complete coincidence. And maybe they just asked Myth to lie about it, because they were going to have premade designs for Council and did not want them to have any expectations.

>>33378035
BTW, the mole on Noel's boob was her idea

>>33378116
Tempus models are perfect fit though.

>>33377818
>>33377923
My bad, pick a different one from the selection they have, I mean. For example, imagine if Ame had Gura´ s model as >>33375635 said

>>33378806
C'mon, you first said that its bullshit, now that the timestamp is posted, you said Cover must have told her to lie. Just be honest if you come here looking to reinforce your belief instead of looking for the truth.

>>33375291
One thing I will say that a lot of people are forgetting is that EN Gen 1 was scouted, not auditioned. They likely still didn't have much input on their models, but management likely already knew about who they were planning to recruit when they commissioned the models.

>>33378989
Stockholm syndrome is a thing, anon. Magni has fish eyes and Vesper is a few chin inches from being a character in that gag anime. And while it's great that they at least can carry themselves without having the prettiest models (Vesper in particular) that doesn't mean things couldn't be better as we've definitely seen out there from other agencies/indies.

>>33379599
Source on that? Because I'm pretty sure all of them talked about auditioning in the past, especially Gura.

>>33380124
>Magni
Its horrible, yes, but it has a badass cloak and he is an alchemist, it fits his mischievous nature
>Vesper
kys, its a very popular castlevania style. It looks pretty normal to me. Its the best and least ugly model in Tempus.

>>33380416
I'm sorry dude, but Vesper is almost at the point he could use that chin as a weapon. In motion is looks way better, but his face would benefit from being a little less long. As for Magni it's great he's putting use to the hands and using stream accessories for it on top of the rigging itself, but he still looks like a fish. Also both of them looked way better on the short comic they posted before debut, not to mention in fanart, so it's not like their designs couldn't look better.

>>33378393
Putting whether they have input on it aside, that doesn't mean that the avatar isn't designed for them after they audition.

>>33380913
Vesper is more similar to the center rather than to the left. And yes he is way better in motion while magni is even worse in motion.
>Fanart is better
wow how novel
For Hololive standards, Vesper get himself pretty good model and he is enjoying being a vampire scholar boomer too.

>>33378116
Just want to clarify Astel changing his model isn't because he disliked it, he changed it as part of his character's "story," he sees it like when a character in an anime gets a new outfit. Even after the outfit change it still appears in his birthday merch illustration.

>>33381488
>For Hololive standards, Vesper get himself pretty good model
Well I can agree with this. His rigging is actually pretty good for EN standards, and other than the face being a tad bit too long the rest of his design is actually quite decent and in my opinion the least overdesigned from Tempus.

>>33381847
I'm pretty sure he did dislike the original hairstyle tho.

>>33382081
He's never implied anything of the sort, and he has commissioned plenty of art with that hairstyle for his covers and membership illustrations.

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>>33375291
Gura said she didn't. She said that when you are auditioning you have no idea who you are auditioning for. She even said her one piece of in put (an ahoge) was ignored. She did have a lot more input on her party outfit though. So maybe that's why you are confused.

>>33377923
>How much can that cost, come on, it can't possibly be more than 5k
it's a lot more than that anon, this level of chuuba model with the tweeks holos have usually goes for 10k ish + on average
some of the big name artists are gonna go for a lot more because you're not just paying their rates but also their time away from their work
chuuba models are extremely more time consuming than regular illustrations

>>33375291
I think that tl;dr from all the bits and pieces we actually got it looks like that: The general idea and who will work on model for character is chosen by Cover, but girls have input on more in-depth details. So Cover said "Shark girl", "Detective", "Grim Reaper" etc but then girls said "Short with hoodie", "Booba gremlin", "Long, purple hair" etc.
It may also be that it's different both for JP and EN branches.

>>33382081
>the least overdesigned from Tempus.
I'd say Magni has the best design, but the model itself is horrendously drawn. Like holy fuck how was it approved.

>>33377923
top artists are probably fully booked, so i assume Cover comissions artist in advance quite a lot of time before they pick the girls to play them
what's the alternative ? find a VA then wait half a year for someone to draw the perfect fit model for her ?

>>33388387
>probably
>assume

>>33381488

>>33388439
course i do
if i knew anything i'd be under an nda
what do you disagree with ?

>>33375291
models from big artist are just asked a lot of time in advance OP, cover might be sitting on some models waiting for a certain VA to use them for a long time so vtuber agencies just ask for random shit and then find a VA that fits eventually
if during the audition period the artist isn't available or they just don't care, they're just shit out of luck asking for changes
the whole thing of "this chuuba is perfect for this model" is all in your head OP, you're just used to them that way and it's hard to disconnect the two

>>33387603
Also the artist can charge more because end user is not just some weeb that'll fap to a commission, but a company that will continue to make money off their work. Being a Mama or a Papa implies a long term support relationship with the creation in question; new costumes, accouterments, celebratory art etc.
This kind of deal costs money and isn't in the same region as a one off random art commission solicited through twitter or something like the other anon made it seem like he thinks it is.

>>33375291
The models are done before they even hold auditions. Like here's an old article where they are calling for Gen 3 auditions and already showing off the completed models before anyone has even applied.
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000073.000030268.html

>>33388021
I wonder if yukisame had to adjust the reaper sketch to "moocow udder megamilk" mode after selection?

>>33375291
didnt pekora have a lot of input on the design and there is that danmachi inspired design with a lock on the neck that was already pretty close to the current design

>>33388387
It's not even "probably", it's pretty much confirmed. Artists and riggers work for multiple people, from agencies to indies to sometimes big companies trying to cash into the vtuber world, not to mention that pretty much all character designers aren't just working doing vtuber stuff but are also mangaka, LN illustrators, do work for games or anime and sometimes even promotional campaigns. These people aren't working exclusive for Cover or Anycolor or any other agency, it's why the latter have a literal vault of unused designs that are sometimes as old as Nijisanji itself, like how Oliver Evans model was already shown back in an audition call from 2019 I believe.

>>33388670
yea, I was just talking about the initial model in particular because that's what I know from just being an art fag
you are right, honestly I don't know how much the marketing side of things cost and it's hard to know the rates these artists work with but wouldn't surprise if a deal for something like kiara's model from huke was a completely absurd number

>>33388864
Small tweaks seem to be allowed, but not complete revamps, and even then that's if, big if, managment agrees. She couldn't have changed the base bunnygirl to say, a catgirl or something. Gura has mentioned this " little tweaks" thing. Other tweaks she wanted were an ahoge and bottom teeth, which were denied.
Even going back to gen2 Subaru claims to have asked for a multicolor mess of a costume from Ui-mama because she thought
>more colorful means more eyecatching means more potential viewers!
Apparently it looked like a rainbow buzzlightyear. Ui reigned that shit in and did her usual pastel magic on whatever the fuck it was Shuba had asked for, and so now we have her base sporty tomboy outfit as it is. The, toned down, bright colors are all that remain of shube's request.
She wanted to show us the protoype Ui made according to Shuba's request but since she's not brought it up again I suppose that means management's not allowed it.

Gen1 by comparison were auditioned roles. Lihe Haachama and Hoshikawa both auditioned for the role of Anal Haato, and didn't Foobs join holo because she saw the white fox girl model and wanted to apply based on that?

>>33388952
It seems like quite a commitment being a vtuber mama; you're basically signing up to be long term maintenance and support of your "living" art, which eventually gains its own likes and preferences. Weird.
And then there's redjuice.
Cunt.

>>33389388
>Anal Haato
kek
That's what you get when you phonepost on the shitter.

>>33375635
>Mori said multiple times that she wanted her model to be a flat chested tomboy.
What is her dysfunction?
Why won't she embrace her mega milktrucks that have arrived?

>>33375291
Maybe it's you that's clueless.

>>33375291
>>33376424
they have "some" input and can change minor designs, the base design will always stay the same. The models are chosen for them and they can make minor tweaks, that's pretty much the process.
Also, depending on the artists, there's some change that they can refuse to do if they don't like it. Gura wanted a ahoge added to her model, since it was a small change it was possible, but her artist refused and thought it would have made her character look worse than without it.

>>33391535
mori is a contrarian

>>33392046
>her artist refused
wtf was her problem

>>33393102
Nacho put it bluntly that Gura would look stupid with it since she already had twin tails and it would be too much.
Nacho did added it to Gura NY kimono outfit though, talents get more creative freedom when it comes to their alts.

>>33375291
pretty sure holo talent also gets hired like 3-6 months before they actually debut for training. thats also a lot of time to figure out your character, quirks, catch phrases etc. combined with smart casting/hiring practices. they design the act to fit the character, not the other way around (usually).

>>33391535
Mori wants to be a dude

>>33393778
when is nacho giving birth to another?

>>33394078
Nacho killed her estranged daughter, Kamiko Kana.