/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ENShart and Homobeggar seething in 5, 4, 3, 2...

Cute girls doing cute things has been a part of this place forever. Before any of your unicorn or tourist falseflagging bullshit.

An idol must not get together with a man. An idol has thousands, tens of thousands of fans. Some of them may have girlfriends, and some may be already married. But you know, some of them are guys who never had a girlfriend. Some of them may never have a girlfriend in their lives, and those guys are the main source of your income. Those guys are working a sweat every day, doing their best at whatever job they have. The women who work with them may call them gross or stinky, but they put up with it. They continue to put up with it because they love you. They use that hard-earned income to meet up with you, to buy your merchandise, and it's because they sincerely wish that their money will help you live a better life. There aren't many dedicated guys out there, you know? If you're gonna tell them outright that you've been going out with another guy, that's truly the worst, most despicable act of betrayal you could ever do.

>>33349560
Wait... isn't that the essence of CGDCT and SoL series in general? A stress reliever?
Did... people get astray?

>>33350856
Normalfags want to ruin everything because that way they can prove they are better than all the incels.

>>33350856
It's the EN vtubers who can't keep up with the act, and let too much of their real selves bleed into their vtuber selves.

cool neither anecdote is real and henry V had no such history but whatever gets you through a fucking youtube stream

>>33349560
Somewhat similar to fighter plane's nose art with sexy ladies. They see those arts as their lady luck whenever shit hits the fan. Even if they couldn't see her from inside the cockpit, they knew she's there outside never leaving them alone even when there's no hope left

>>33353194
>we like naked lady but it's philosophical actually

>>33349560
>BEING A MAN IS SO HECKING HARD!!!11
>LET ME JUST IGNORE THE WORK OF EVERY SINGLE FEMINIST AND CRITICAL THEORIST, SOCIOLOGIST AND POSTMODERN PHILOSOPHER!!111

Holy fuck touch the grass. Watch Conners take on idoltards, he nailed it.

>>33349560
>Henry the Fifth had his soldiers go into battle with drawings and rough paintings [...] on the back of their shields
any source on that? not doubting you, I just want to see the paintings

>>33354051
Trying too hard

>>33354051
>immediately bring up conner
is it possible to be this much of a cuck?

>>33349560
Did you notice the part where the soldiers in question weren't sitting at home in their rooms, staring at said shield paintings and jacking off, but instead fighting a fucking war? Against the other guy's soldiers? Who were also men?

>>33354051
nice larp.

>>33354051
>LET ME JUST IGNORE THE WORK OF EVERY SINGLE FEMINIST AND CRITICAL THEORIST, SOCIOLOGIST AND POSTMODERN PHILOSOPHER!!111
don't mind if i do

>>33349560
>laplus
should not be anywhere near this image, she's worse than literally every EN when it comes to this

>>33349560
So watch CGDCT and shut the fuck up.

>>33356339
Trying to but all these faggots are in my streams.

>>33349560
Truer words were never spoken.

>>33354566
So you want us to violently attack homobeggars?

>>33349560
I love this story, I loved it for years.

>>33349560
If you don't like gay, you are a sexist
If you don't like black, you are a racist
If you don't like seeing male steamer with your Oshi, you are an incel.
Simple as.
Now spare this board the trashy "i just don't want to see males" when you are just trying justify being incel.
Cope more faggot.

>>33358008
you need to be 18+ to be on this board

>>33349560
Based.

>>33349560
Henry the Fifth's men were actual faggots though.
They literally fucked each other in the ass.

So she's going to stream RUST later to make up for the cancelled streams on Wed/Thur right?

>>33358329
seethe more frenchfag

>>33350928
But we are better than you lot.

>>33358008
>if you don't like cock, you are straight
I guess it checks out

>>33349825
Koro-san, I kneel.....

>>33357483
Yes.

>>33349560
HoloJP...It's time to come home....I promise this time I will do my rep seriously.

>>33349825
So you just don't say it? That's easy, and that's what they all do, job done.

>>33358008
>sexist
>racist
This is why I didn't want homostars en in the first place. Everything has to be political now.

>>33349560
>12 years ago
damn, you really are here forever huh?

>>33349560
But anon, I am a pedo.

>>33361172
NTA I have been here since 2006. First casually, then got involved with Chanology, then left around 2013 coming in only once in a while, then returned with COVID to watch vtubers.
There are many with an identical story. What do men do when they lose their jobs? They move back to their childhood homes. So here we are. Office wants me back so this will be over soon.

>>33349560
>Miko
>Subaru
>Laplus
the only tourist here is you and you better fucking behave or i'll do this to you again
https://youtu.be/UJmnk_B8R2M?t=54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSar97XY2dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvQeI_ekVA

>>33361845
Different dimension. Do your reps.

If we traced it back, the source of this very problem is actually unicorns. I do understand people who don't want to watch collabs with male in it for reason like the one OP stated but unicorns? They thought male collabs = sex with male roru. And then the shitty normies want to be the good guys by going against the "toxic culture" and trying to enforce girls collabing with males, even though most of them don't watch streams even worse, some of them don't even watch clips. I won't give a shit if it's the girls themselves that want to collab with males, at most I'll just not watch that collab stream and watch the regular ones (just like FBK), but then those selfish fuckers pester the girls that don't have any intention to do male collabs too.
To both unicorns and normies who keep pestering the girls, please kindly commit sudoku, so at least you can be useful to humankind by reducing CO2 emissions

>>33362506
That's right. Hololive JP used to be about entertainment, but Hololive EN became about politics.

>>33362506
The problem is normalfags, Unicorns were in JP and still are. Only in Japan there isn't some effort to dunk on every incel, fuck can you imagine an EN Rushia or Lamy? Fuck no. The Twitter users and Redditors would tear them and their fans apart.

>>33363718
>EN Rushia or Lamy
Shondo

Just don't watch it and stop seething, fag

>>33361845
>twitter tourists think posting this will own unicorns
I hate indogs I hate ensharts and I fucking hate side branches

>>33349560
>Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch some cute stupid bullshit without other shit in it (including males).
'kay, but your opinion's no more worthy of notice than those of homobeggars, and neither of you have any say in what the girls do. They chose male collabs themselves.

>>33363814
First the Vshojos started collabing with males, and I didn't said anything, because I didn't watch vshojo.
Then Veibae started dating a fleshstreamer, and I didn't say anything, because I didn't watch Veibae.
Then the Niji males started doing male collabs in hotel rooms, and I didn't said anything, because I didn't watch Lazulight.
Then Nyanners did a boyfriend reveal, and I didn't said anything, because I didn't watch Nyanners.
Then a Niji femchuuba started tweeting that she was going to send nudes to a Niji male, and I didn't said anything, because I didn't watch Nijis.
Then the Homos came for HoloEN, and I couldn't say anything because it was seen as commonplace and I should get out of "their" hobby.

>>33354051
the funny thing about the kiwifarm roasties invasion is i can't tell if posts like these are lazy baits or female sperg outs

>>33354051
I was quite literally in two wars technically. Sorry if someone catcalled you once or twice or you got a job somewhere just based on your looks. Disgusting roastie.

>>33364307
got deleted so it was bait

>>33363783
I'm filtered by her voice

Not reading, but good for you.

>>33364228
Yes, if any of that bothers you learn Japanese instead of keeping your fingers crossed that an EN girl won't be a "whore"

>>33354051
Yes, men's lives are millions of times harder than women's. Since the Paleolithic we have been responsible for protecting and sustaining our species, while women stayed at home and took care of children. Feminists and other Marxist scholars will not change this biological imperative and diminish the importance of man as the pillar of civilization and order

>>33364228
>the homos came for HoloEN

>>33358008
Go back, leddit troon

Really should have gatekept harder.

>>33349560
You deserved this for rushia and coco.
Stop comparing yourselves to soldiers, you didn't eveb bother to fight off the chink antis.

>>33349560
based

>>33366625
maybe if you went back to late 2017-early 2018 you could've done something

>>33367147
>He wasn't there for the battle of Chinese Restream chat where we both spammed insults at each other in Google Translated English or Chinese whilst watching Bloom and HoloFes2

>>33367147
wow anon, that was so long ago, like, last year

>>33368438
meant for >>33368081

>>33349560
You’re a late 2019-2020 tourist. Fuck off.

>>33363783
She's constantly threatened desu she's just good at damage control and ignoring
I like her actually and not because of the loli aspect shes sweet in general

>>33369036
t. 2022 twitter tranny

>>33349560
These idoltards took over vtubing and think we're the tourists now. Unironically kys.

>>33349730
>reddit spacing
lmao look at that newfag

>>33369317
I will end you.

>>33364228
>muh slippery slope
learn JP or stop complaining. EN has always been shit, it's your own fault for thinking it had good GFE.

>>33362506
>And then the shitty normies want to be the good guys by going against the "toxic culture"
This is the actual source problem then. If shitty normies never try being "good guys" then the problem will never occur in the first place. You even explained why normies are the problem.

Unicorn seethes but actually watch streams and support their oshi. What did the normalfags even do?

>>33369134
even worse

>>33369751
uh watch stream?

>>33370020
Looking at thumbnails does not count as watching a stream

>>33349560
Aight bet. lemme just tattoo a fucking bird on your back and send you off to Ukraine.

>>33349560
Then don't watch male collabs. You're not insecure about your parasocial relationship, are you?

>>33349560
Imagine making appealing to a bunch of lesbians your goal in life.

>>33369608
>x has always been shit.
Thanks, I'll add this line to the 'cope with always being wrong and ruining things they loved by doubling down and rationalizing their mistake' bullshit bingo

>>33363718
>>33369751
I can't comment much about JP unicorns because I only watch the non GFE ones and unicorns mostly gather at GFE chuubas, the non GFE chuubas usually only have gachikois so it's a different environment
But the EN unicorns that I have seen? They actually throw SC to pester the girls
It was that sort of behavior that will fuel those shitty normalfags
EN branch can't escape from the claws of westerns normalfags with their stupid moralfagging instead of minding their own business
The only thing they can do is to minimize the interference of those normalfags
The acts of containment breaking and attacking the girls on streams will only be used by the normalfags to justified their actions
Besides, it's a retarded move to attack and throw money to the girls that they thought as their girlfriends
Would have been more meaningful if they just cut their support (not watching streams, not sending money, etc)

>>33366625
How? Can ENfags even gatekeep against the EN normalfags? As long as something is big enough and not according to their "standards and moral", EN normalfags will hijack and ruined it
Even Nhentai of all places have those moralfags too kek

>>33349560
You have a point, but couldn't you have made your point while posting girls that are actually cute, and not ones with ear-grating voices and rotten personalities?

>>33372835
>rotten personalities
nobody in that pic is from nijisanji though

>People don't know cute girls doing cute things
>People don't know a 13 year old copypasta
The newfaggotry in this place disgusts me sometimes. Probably have people who unironically don't know Moot either.

>>33372835
Ay yo Subaru is cute

>>33364228
I'm so sorry...
I failed you friend...
>>33366625
It’s hard to gatekeep when these parasites infest anything with a mere hint of likes. They killed movies, they killed video games, and now the cancerous normalfag hordes come for your oshi.

>2020fag calling others tourists
Your opinion doesn't matter, you're the vtuber equivalent of someone who got into gaming with CoD.

>>33373488
>muh nijisanji
rent free

>>33349560
based

>>33349665
>>33349560
too long, didn't read

>>33356700
he means JP idols you dingus, oh but you can't speak nihongo

>>33353282
Liking things is inherently philosophical.

>>33360417
Newfag go back.

>>33364228
It feels pretty good to be a JP watcher the language barrier really keeps out the faggots

>>33349560
That's great, or I'm sorry you feel that way.

>>33349560
I'm glad that you enjoy the things you enjoy, op. I just hope that you're letting other people enjoy the things they want to enjoy without being an anti.

>>33349825
She never said that

>>33364228
This is why you don't stick around Tubers who join Corpos for fame and money while *also* demanding the talent freedom of an indie.

They're ticking timebombs. They take the corporate success for granted at some point and think that the restrictions that got the brand to BE success are bad.

Stars Shills will tell you that "Stars has always been in hololive, unicorns!!", but they'll never be able to dispute that Gen 3 and Gen 4 with their predominantly girls-only streams carried the brand with "cute girls doing cute things" formula.

>>33363783
90% of shondo threads are made by people trying to tear her down or make her fans abandon her
Normalfags are clearly bothered both by her loli model and also her gfe

Then go watch Yuru Yuri and stop trying to force your retardation on streamers who choose to collab with males. Vote with your view and don't watch them if males trigger you so much.

>>33380750
tell em sis

>>33349560
you are weak and you are a cunt, your oshi is shit.

>>33349560
There are dozens of girls in Hololive. Any time one of them is collabing with a male, most of them aren't. What kind of autism do you have where you're unable to change the channel and just watch one of the girls who currently isn't talking to a man?

>>33349560
Your days are numbered, unicorn. Not even Cover wants people like you around, the future of HoloEN is going to be girls and boys hanging out daily and when this becomes a massive success, the JP girls will see this and finally open up and accept Holostars JP.

Idolfags coopeted CGDCT in a attempt to change the narrative from their insecurities about "getting cucked" by male chuubas to "vtubers are just like lucky star why would your ruin it with dudes". I love vtubers. Loved them since Kizuna Ai, but some of you people sound worse than kpop stans sometimes

>>33349560
She's collabing with who?
Nah I don't like them so I'll ignore the collab and watch her later!

>>33364228
>Then the Homos came for HoloEN
More like HoloEN hoes couldn't stop themselves from being hoes.

>>33349825
So true

I'm not reading the thread, but I find this line of thought that you're losing everything you cared about to be senseless, and that you might be too demanding in certain aspects
You know how the video game industry has been going to shit for a while? Well, I just focus on current games that I enjoy or just go to older games for entertainment
Anyway, where I'm getting at is that there isn't a single path that you need to take if you feel like it's hard to go through. There are plenty of chuubas out there and they give the CGDCT experience you're looking for, it's not that difficult to find them and you should give them your support instead of mindlessly complaining about how the things around you in this moment are changing and you hate it
Most of the time change is inevitable and you can't go back to the past, but it doesn't mean that you should be left behind

> Expecting ENs to know about idol culture

>>33381856
I was in the thread with this guy. Pure autism. Idolfags once again coopting something like "oshi" to fit their narrative. "Oshimem" is the word he's looking for, since oshi can be used outside the realm of idols. He talks like someone who has never actually lived in Japan desu

>>33379520
"She" didn't

>>33350856
HoloJP was CGDCT.
People were misled into thinking HoloEN would follow the same path, when EN members have never been shy about shilling Homos.

>>33349560
Can't wait to watch your oshi collab with a male while you seethe and die!

>>33364228
Really ironic that you would use Friend on this retarded tirade against males collabs of yours, seeing as she has collabed with Holostars JP and out-of-agency males before.
Plenty of the JPs have collabed with males. There's virtually no difference between when the ENs collab with males vs when the JPs do aside from some slight cultural posturing.
Anyone who thinks so either cannot understand japanese, has an agenda, is an autist, or all three.

>>33382374
> t.EOP

>>33382516
HoloEN is CGDCT.
You're just a threadreader who nitpicks clips or deliberately misconstrues events to suit your agenda.
You're also clearly an EOP as the HoloJPs have shilled HomoJP before, but maybe you've just memory holed that.

>>33381856
Fuck me this just radiates YWNBJ energy.

>>33382698
Well if you notice the talking points being spread out here, most of them are seething about this are fans of Kronii and Ame.
None of the Brrats for example are seething about her thirsting for Roberu or being an absolute zoomer in front of Nowa oji.
And deadbeats are trucking on as usual.

Fact of the matter is, both Ame and Kronii lied to their audience. This is a cardinal sin in this industry, and is only normally done by hobby locusts looking to ruin another hobby.
Hence, concernfagging is at a high point.
It still pales in comparison to the original HoloEN doomposting though.
which I'm still thankful for, since that allowed me to do my JP reps and escape from this retardation.

>>33382960
who would want to be Japanese anyway?

>>33364228
there's no genuine EN GFE because no country, except for Japan, has developed proper idol culture and knows how to handle parasocial relationships.

>>33383041
South Korea does it better with their Kpop stars.

>>33382986
How did they lie to their audience exactly?

>>33383201
> Kronii says on mengen that she won't be doing twitter interactions with Tempus anymore
> Immediately replies to Vesper's underwear tweet before her break
> Amelia says on stream that she will only join big collabs with Tempus if someone invites her and will focus on her solo content
> Immediately organizes a cross-branch collab with Tempus, EN and ID involved

The contrast between that worms collab and the Mubae stream that went right after was too painful. It was like seeing two sides of the coin. One was them being just another twitch streamer, and the other was capitalizing on their strengths as the primary source of real-time cgdct streams.

>>33383148
Worse Korea literally took the idol industry, americanized it, added korean cultural flaws and it took years form them to take off.
Korea is generally okay with married idols and cross-band dating and has a secondary mixed gender market. It really isn't that smaller.

>>33382698
If you cut off like 2 JP Holos(the whores of Hololive), there have been more privately organized/non-sponsored male collabs in the EN branch in the last few weeks than the JP branch has done in many months

>>33383556
That's why I said South Korea does it better. They treat their idols as humans beings instead of tools for satisfaction. The Koreans have their fair share of schizos, but as far as I know, they usually come down harder on parasocial actions that would hurt the talents than the Japanese. One could argue that 'idol culture' as we know it in /vt/ is a result of Japanese cultural flaws. Not a Korean or a kpop stan. I just think that Korean fans treat their 'idols' better than the Japanese do

>>33383620
I don't know if you were even here for it, or you just memory holed it, but the JPs did have their fair share of collabs when HomoJP debuted. HoloEN has more right now of course, but that's just cultural differences, and times change.

>>33382986
>both Ame and Kronii lied to their audience.
anon the delusions in your head are not things Ame and Kronii actually said...
What do you think Ame and Kronii lied about?
>That spoiler
So you're not only a schizo but an actual idiot, you're happy for the failed doomposting?

>>33383972
unironically kill yourself

>>33384186
>We should treat the talents like people
>kys
Cry more, faggot.

>>33384302
>reeee I want fame and money without any of the negatives they bring
if they want to be treated like normal people they shouldn't be celebrities
also there's a reason why they're called "idols". They're supposed to be perfect to inspire people and give them hope. If you take that away they're just glorified dancers

>>33384599
NTA but just because people become famous it doesn't mean that you should treat them any different

>>33384757
you shouldn't, but people do it anyway. It was always like this, you can't stop it.

>>33384599
>He unironically supports dehumanizing celebrities
You go kill yourself. Also Kpop idols seem to do a good enough job of inspiring their audience if you go by how ardently their fans defend them, and all without becoming the oracle from 300. Many soldiers kept photos of Marilyn Monroe in their bunks, and she was a notorious whore.

>>33381856
IRyS is Japanese, and follows along with all of the same expectations of JP Holos. So the content of the picture is a problem the rest of you faggots have to deal with. Not me.

>>33384818
Still doesn't make it right

>>33383972
>They treat their idols as humans beings instead of tools for satisfaction.
I actually laughed. Nice joke you got there. That's like saying Hollywood is good and Disney's child actors are masterpiece

>>33384818
You can by not doing it. At the very least pushing back against that type of behavior.

>>33384878
All about expectations, yep.
Those that break fan expectations are not idols, but simple streamers.

>>33384928
it's the human condition, it's been like this for thousands of years. Before celebrities we had myths, heroes and the royalty.

>>33384899
There will always be crazed Perfect Blue fans for every pop star, but in general the Koreans do treat their idols better. They're at least accepting of some things that Jap fans would go apeshit over.

>>33381757
>There are plenty of chuubas out there and they give the CGDCT experience you're looking for, it's not that difficult to find them and you should give them your support
The hololive girls WERE those girls, and we DID support them, expressly for the idol culture. We supported them so much that the average hololive girl rakes in tens of thousands of dollars per month even after Cover takes a cut. So it's very difficult and frustrating to understand why in the actual fuck they're changing now.

>>33385040
because korean "idols" aren't idols, they're glorified whores. Koreans are extremely americanized so they can't appreciate true beauty and purity

>>33385053
>We
Unicorns are a despised minority.

>>33385093
YWNBJ

>it's another twitterfag raid
why are you faggots even here? Everyone on twitter supports your views, just go back and stay there

>>33384178
Kronii (0:12) : https://files.catbox.moe/09k8qf.mp4
Ame : https://youtu.be/3eNbGVgSBiY?t=118

>>33385154
good, I don't want to be japanese, what does that have to do with my post though?

>>33385156
>Says stupid shit and gets called out for it
>ITS A RAID ITS A RAID ITS A RAID

i watched stars jp on suntempo's debuts, this is a vtuber board, starsjp constantly collabs with actual real jp indies and small companies while acting like real true vtubers. their retarded sibling unit stuck to themselves while slowly morphing into a crude mockery of a "virtual youtuber"
this is /vt/ - virtual youtubers, idols do not make proper vtubers. unless you admit they were never idols and you were always a cuck I suggest you get the fuck back to /jp/ with the touhous.

>>33385106
No shit, that's the entire point of the thread. Did you think you were saying something smart? Perhaps you should kill yourself.

>>33385226
who are you quoting?

>>33385214
The idea that idols have to maintain a chaste and repressive lifestyle is a Japanese cultural flaw. You parroting that backwards ideal makes me think that you're trying to emulate them. Other Asian countries with their idol programs don't give as much of a shit about that as the Japs do.

>>33364228
Poetic, have this (you) friend

>>33385267
You nigger

>>33385384
chastity isn't a flaw and it used to be the norm in most of the world before everyone got americanized by jewish propaganda

>>33385384
>chaste lifestyle
>flaw
spotted the roastie

>>33385473
None of your so called idols are 'virgins' but Japanese culture necessitates a kind of self-delusion that they are. The flaw here is enforcing such a rigid 'no males' rule of conduct on the talents that even talking to a male is off the table. That's retarded as shit, and I'm glad its falling out of favor in most places.

>>33385384
>is a Japanese cultural flaw
The degenerate indoctrination is strong with this one. For ten thousand years, humanity understood that excessive sex, eating, masturbating, drug use etc was a bad thing. They didn't understand dopamine or serotonin or anything like that, but through raw experience, they understood that mindlessly shotgunning every "pleasure" you see led to a worse existence. Only in the past 50 years have we lost this basic wisdom.

>>33385617
what a pathetic post, I'm glad I wasn't brainwashed by jewish propaganda

>>33385617
You're right about one thing: We should not be encouraging an illusion of chastity. We should encourage actual chastity.

>>33385627
>>33385812
>>33385989
The problem is that a lot of idolfags equate simply playing games with males to be the equivalent of a violent rawdogging. That's stupid as fuck. This particular view of idols originated from the Japnese, and tradlarpers coopted it. While I do think that anything in excess is bad for your being, idolfags like you like to pretend that idols are your personal dutch wives instead of the entertainers that they are, and so you shit up their streams and discussions with 'whore whore whore' any time one of them so much as mentions a male. That is some thin-skinned shit right there lmao

>>33385989
You will never be Amish

>>33386018
>This particular view of idols originated from the Japnese
this is an anime website for otaku and weebs, I dont know why you're here if you don't like the japanese culture.

>>33386109
I am not autistic so can pick and choose which aspects I like and do not like.

>>33386145
>I am not autistic
go back

>>33350856
EN branches attracted attracted normalfags (both as audience and the streamers themselves) that are only familiar with the fotm shounen.

>>33350856
normalfags and women think everything is about sex because that's all they know

>>33349560
this sounds like a pedo excuse

i will choose to watch men, because i'm not gay

>>33386018
>This particular view of idols originated from the Japnese
It didn't, idols talk to men all the time and Kagura Mea is on stream right now literally flirting with with a reverse harem of 5 nijihomos and homostars and none of her fans mind. This is an entirely Cover-invented problem.

>>33366625
you wanted numbers. you got numbers. you made your bed, now lie in it.

>>33386562
NTA but to be fair Kagura Mea is not an idol.

>>33349560
No GFE or idol is pure and will never be.
Rushia who was the purest and the one who loved her fans the most has a boyfriend.
The only idols who'll ever be pure are the ones who are part of a black corpo that controls their lifes (and also are already being sexually harassed by the ojisans there so they're not even virgins).
If you want a truly purest idol go watch love live or another fictional idol.

>>33386605
Neither are most vtubers, it's literally basically only a Hololive thing when it comes to mainstream vtubers and even they started out as tongue-in-cheek crude vtubers who collabed with men and played video games instead of roleplaying idols like the path they later pivoted into. It's a Cover problem, not an idol problem or a Japanese problem.

>>33383148
I'd say Kpop is more like a creepy religious sect than idol culture

>>33386696
A lot of Japanese fans have shrines dedicated to their idol. Let's not be throwing stones in glass houses.

>>33386018
>idolfags equate simply playing games with males to be the equivalent of a violent rawdogging
Not at all. It's simply a matter of not wanting to think about men. It's literally that simple. I want to watch girls, and think about girls, exclusively. I don't want to think about men and women interacting, I don't want to watch them interacting, I don't want any male x female thought to enter my brain when I am watching my oshi. I don't want my oshi to ever collabs with males because I don't want her to be talking about upcoming male collabs or past ones etc.

>This is an entirely Cover-invented problem.
This is a valid market niche, whether you like it or not, that Cover used to cater to. If anything, you should encourage Cover to continue to do so as a containment corpo for these "incels" that seem to make you seethe so much.

>>33386894
You should probably stick to watching SoL anime like Yuru Yuri if the possibility of seeing a male upsets you. There will always be a chance for a vtuber to interact with a male because they're livestreamers, but zero chances if its a no-males-allowed anime like Kirino Mosaic.

>>33387458
>zero chances if its a no-males-allowed anime like Kirino Mosaic
that's what people used to say about hololive and it has males now. How do you know they're not going to start putting male characters in CGDCT anime next?

>>33387629
Uhhh newfag? Did you gorget about Holostars JP? The hologirls have been collabing with males (out of agency) since like gen 1 or 2. Also, slippery slope. Name me one modern CGDCT anime with major male characters.

>>33387877
>the slippery slope isnt real
based retard
go back to twitter

>>33387951
I asked you to name me one modern CGDCT anime with major male characters and you couldn't even do that. Kudos to you for brushing off conveniently forgetting about the original Holostars gen desu

>>33388049
>name me one modern CGDCT anime with major male characters
this doesn't even matter, just because it doesn't exist now doesn't mean they're not going to try it. You said there are zero chances if it's a CGDCT anime but that's wrong, you don't know what might happen in the future.
>the original Holostars gen
they're not comparable to tempus

>>33388272
Incredible. Slippery slope, no true scotsman, and moving the goalpost, all in one shitpost.

>>33388371
>more twitter buzzwords
go back

>>33388400
>He thinks these are twitter buzzwords

>>33388512
who are you quoting?

>>33388272
>they're not comparable to tempus
No half-measures, faggot. I'd honestly rather the ENs collab with tempus than the JPs collab with Holostars, since the ENs are so spread out over the world that it will take great effort to get dicked.
Meanwhile the Holostars are just a train ride away from that getting a mouthful of premium idol gash, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

>>33388272
>there are zero chances if it's a CGDCT anime but that's wrong, you don't know what might happen in the future.
You are wrong. You are the one who doesn't get it. Educate yourself before you speak any further.

>>33388371
Judging by how some of these vtubers act behind the scenes i’d say there are quite alot of slippery slopes in vtubing

>>33385191
>I don't really interact with the guys on twitter
you interpreted that as
> Kronii says on mengen that she won't be doing twitter interactions with Tempus anymore
which makes me think you're either an ESL or an idiot/schizo as these two sentences are vastly different.
>I would be open to doing group collabs and things like that
which you interpreted as
>Amelia says on stream that she will only join big collabs with Tempus if someone invites her and will focus on her solo content
So once again you're literally making things up
YOU EVEN LINKED THE EVIDENCE THAT CONTRADICTS YOU'RE LITERAL SCHIZO MIND WORMS.
So once again where did they actually lie?

>>33383972
>That's why I said South Korea does it better. They treat their idols as humans beings instead of tools for satisfaction
RORU
RUMAO
I'm sure this is coming from a fag who never truly try to consume Kpops
Anyway, thanks for the laugh

>>33349560
Anon, nothing stops you from watching girl only streams, nobody fucking cares if you do. The issue is that you see the when the girls want to do anything else even when they are catering to you most of the time. You are also demanding something from them on the basis of comparing yourself to people who actually went to war and died. Get your head out of your ass and stop being such a giant pussy. Millions of people do even more demanding shit than you and are far less entitled.

>>33386894
Why don't you want to think about male female interaction? Sounds like a serious psychological problem.

>>33393136
>other people have it worse therefore you can't say anything
Retarded frame of thinking, people can express what they want and creators can do what they want.

>>33349560
>soldier puts drawing of his loved one on his shield
>realizes she must have talked to a merchant once
>commit sword through chest because he couldn't stand living a cuck
lmao

You guys should play video games instead of pretending to be retarded

>>33393623
I did not say he can't say anything because others have it worse. I said that others have it worse and they do not come up with retarded excuses for why people should cater to them.

>>33354051
holy based
chuds ITT seething and malding and shidding and farding lmfao

>>33393795
still irrelevant because having it worse should have no bearing on complaining because it shouldn't have to be justified beyond what's involved with the complaint itself

>>33393136
Millions of people do more demanding shit than Kronii and Ame and are far less entitled.

>>33394059
People having it worse is an indication that the poster is a whiny bitch because he is trying to come up with all these grand historical justifications for nothing. Others having it worse is the basis why his comparison to historical settings makes no sense.

>>33394175
You should go watch those other people then.

>>33395169
He's just using a historical example to explain escapism you autistic retard, not literally comparing his own struggle to a guy getting chopped up on a medieval battlefield.

>>33395400
But he is tho. He is portraying his own struggle as akin to those in a battlefield. That is why they seek the same form of escapism. If you didn't pay attention, his argument is ' Both keyboard warrior and actual warrior have it very hard in life so they seek cute girl escapism, how dare those cute girls not give the keyboard warrior the escapism he deserves'. Given that the comparison to the actual warrior is retarded and so many people have it so much worse without descending into victimism, I think op will survive without a couple of vtubers not pandering to him specifically.

>>33395746
But he isn't though. It's an analogy used to demonstrate the relationship between cute feminine things and escaping your struggles. Are you really so incapable of thinking in theoretical terms that you can't grasp that analogies don't have to be be made between situations of equal severity?

>>33396163
But he is. Analogies need to be made on the basis of common cause, a root kind is not enough. False equivalence is a fallacy for a reason.
Putting that aside, OP is not just saying that he finds vtubers good escapism and that is the same kind of escapism that ancient warriors used. The mere comparison is already retarded given the immense difference between OP's and the ancient warrior's situations. OP is also saying that, on the basis of this similarity, he is entitled to demand vtubers cater to him. If he had just said he prefers girl only escapism that would be one thing but he is also demanding something and the basis for that demand is the historical equivalence. That is absolutely retarded. OP is not an ancient warrior and his struggle is not even comparable to ancient warriors. Mere masculine feelings of wanting to see cute girls is not enough to establish a comparison upon which something can be demanded. You seem to lack the critical and analytical skills to realize this.

>>33396688
I'll take that as a yes.

>>33396799
Ok so you didn't read and want to continue being retarded. That's nice.

ITT: unicorns memory holing all the times they harassed Rushia and other talents over males

>>33383972
>They treat their idols as humans beings instead of tools for satisfaction.
I'm >>33383556 and you're full of shit.
If anything, k-pop agencies treat their talents even worse than japanese idol agencies.
>fucked up beauty standards [45kg no matter what, encouraged plastic surgeries, constant style changes etc.]
>their talents are starving themselves, voluntarily or get pressured into that because of said beauty standards [case of Momo from Twice who lost 7kg in a fucking week by eating ice cubes, they'd have kicked her out pre-debut if she didn't]
>talents literally don't get paid for a long time and it doesn't mean that the company funds their meals, there's lots of stories of girls buying one salad for four because that's the only thing they can afford without breaking the weight standard
>exhausting trainings and sleep deprivation, many cases of idols fainting on stage
>unless the band goes big they're most likely kept in isolation, in monitored company-owned dorms, contact with their families and friends is strictly forbidden, they even take their phones
>gender separation goes fucking crazy unless crossgender interactions are planned and approved; f.e. boysbands from the same agency can't be in the same building as girlsbands at the same time
>most idol x idol couples fall apart in less than a year
>feminism and liberalism are extremely unpopular, higher-ups will never look at a woman as an equal human being and boys are discouraged (if not disallowed) from showing anything that wouldn't fit the archetype of a strong man (yes, those cloned faggots are considered chads)
>abusive managers and staff, agency-approved oversexualization of underage idols
and that's just the beginning.

>>33397264
Did you see her 2022 birthday merch? I'm not even going to go into what's right or wrong but cmon now.

>>33382902
>HoloEN is CGDCT.
Did they fire Mori?

>>33361845
anon, the worst part of this entire thread is that you're the one that should be the most embarassed but you're too retarded and new to understand why.

>>33364159
>your opinion's no more worthy of notice than those of homobeggars
Except you're wrong because the cgdct enjoyers were here first, and de facto support the girls way more than the homobeggers whose oshis are literally the holostars members and not the girls.

>>33369317
>took over
Ai literally considered herself an idol. She sang and danced and created music like an idol. She held concerts like an idol.
She wanted to maintain an overall seiso image like an idol, especially compared to other vtubers like Akari, Noja Loli, and the rest of the Eilene gang.
It seems like you're the one that doesn't know shit.

>>33370725
>>33379507
>>33381081
>>33381583
>>33393136
>just don't watch the girl you like have more fun with other guys than she ever will with you.
This way of thinking is what led to the current state of the ID branch becoming the official cuckold branch.

>>33393655
bad analogy.
It would be more accurate if the soldier never got to hang out with his wife one-on-one, but the merchant does and the merchant gets to communicate with her whenever he wants via messanger, but the soldier can't.
And then the soldier has to watch from across the street as his wife and the merchant hang out in town. And when all of this is brought up, the wife tells the soldier to go sacrifice his life for her.

agree CGDCT is a must
disagree with hating them just because she collabing with males
kobo was my oshi until she spammed valo and/or males collab
I don't hate her, I just stop watching her, I'm still hoping that she'll eventually pass shalome number tho

>>33354051
>we women have a harder life when we compare our lives to the top 1% of men. No, I don't compare my life to anyone lower than a celebrity because why would I know men like that even exist?
>society is built for men which is why they have easier access to sex and relationships than modern women. I, as a feminist believe this.

>>33401036
Beware anon, some larper will now post a collab from 2019 to unequivocally prove how Hololive has always been about male collabs, and then accuse you of being a newfag.

>>33369751
>What did the normalfags even do?
Watch clips

>>33382516
You're full of shit.
Up until homostarsEN, the only ones to have ever collabed with homos were Mori, Bae, and Mumei.
And mumei obviously regretted doing it because she hasn't mentioned stars in any capacity since.

Ame and Kronii never even talked about males before they pulled the rug out from under their fans. The most they ever did before collabing with homoEN was follow stars on twitter.
They deserve to be shit on for tricking their fans.

>>33401714
>Anon, you don't have to watch content you don't like
>N-no I just... I HAVE TO!

>>33401714
She will never be and never was yours. Deluding yourself otherwise should be considered self-harm.

>>33382698
First, there is a huge difference between EN and JP male collabs by the very fact that JPs understand and respect "idol culture" or whatever you want to call the relationship between an idol and her fans.
Second, you're completely wrong as far as content goes because MOST of the time, JP male/female collabs wouldn't start talking about dicks and sex and shit unless it's Mea. But Mea has a distinct reputation BECAUSE she is that crass. Even to EOP clipwatchers, it's extremely obvious Mea is the exception in JP male/female collabs, while for EN, it's the rule.
Third, the Hololive members have always been marketed as idols. Even Matsuri was told by her manager right after debut not to scream during her streams because it wasn't idol-like. JP only had regular collabs with males back when no one had more than 100k subs. They did them because they wanted to become known and gain attention in the vtubing space. That was over 3 fucking years ago and today, male collabs are virtually non-existent for most JP holomen.

The only members of JP that regularly collab with males are Matsuri and Towa. As one of the faces of Hololive, Fubuki collabs with stars about once every 6-8 months out of her own perceived obligation to promote them. Additionally, Suisei will collab with a male for a new song, but she doesn't stream games with them or have fun with them.
So stop trying to trick EOPs in this thread because clearly, you're the one with the agenda here. You either don't know Japanese or you're being completely disingenuous. Either way, you're a larping faggot and should kill yourself.

>>33403630
Actress gets role. Halfway through the production she decides that she is an empowered women that can't be bothered to read the script. Decides to talk about her irritable bowel syndrome instead. Justifies it by shouting "i'm not your girlfriend" at any who dare question her.

>>33404118
Her role isn't your girlfriend, you nonce.

You will watch the male collabs and you will be happy.

>>33383972
>>33384873
>>33385384
>>33386018
>dehumanizing
>she doesn't belong to you
No one "belongs" to anyone. You sound like one of those retarded feminists that say that marriage is slavery because the meagerest of expectations are put on women by wanting them not to fuck every guy they're attracted to. You think it's unacceptable for anyone to be attracted to women who aren't sluts and take advantage of their easy access to sex and relationships. Humans are largely monogymous and lonelieness among young men is at an all time high.

You're either extremely unempathetic towards male fans that have fallen in love with their oshi by design and you believe they are merely a resource to be expoited or you're a projecting roastie whore that is unwilling to accept that a woman can be successful without being a slut. You refuse to accept the proposition that a woman would have to sacrifice any amount of dating or sex in order to achieve a higher degree of desirability and success.

The argument to just avoid the collab streams and continue watching the rest of the content probably won't work with unicorns since content and inside jokes will inevitably start leaking into each other's channels. I caught a glimpse of a Kronii powerwash video and she was kissing the wall after each job just like Vesper was doing in his stream. Or maybe you enjoy Mori referencing a 'little guys' joke for the 1000th time in the Worms collab even after the guys got sick of it.

The Tempus boys also have this clingly 2view mentality where they need to constantly lovebomb each other, appear in each other's chats, twitters, VCs, raid each other's streams, etc. so if any girl gives them the 'ok' to interact they would likely start doing that as well. This is great if you're a unityfag and you want to see everybody interact, but if you're a unicorn and you've somehow managed to mentally block out a single collab video but then one of the stars shows up in the girl's chat on a solo stream and then she acts friendly towards him that might be the last straw lol. So regardless of which way this situation goes I think it will keep on escalating in the future.

>>33404175
Imagine being retarded enough to believe I was implying that.

>>33349560
see, I'm fine with most of this until you get to
>(including males)
like, why would the existence of men ruin any of the cute stupid bullshit? And if it really does, why not just watch the cute stupid bullshit animes that are tailored to that instead of vtubers, who are real people that can't or won't keep up that kind of illusion? why do some people go as far as to trying to police real people into not interacting with men on their own stream? Watching cute bullshit is perfectly fine, but trying to force others to fit your standard of cute bullshit, or autistically shrieking when what they want to do with their channel doesn't match up with your cute bullshit vision, is not okay.

>>33385617
>None of your so called idols are 'virgins'
The virginity rate for Japanese men and women aged 18-30 in japan is over 40%, and that's including riajuu. When considering otaku and hikkis like the Hololive girls, it's obviously way higher.
https://www.ipss.go.jp/ps-doukou/j/doukou15/doukou15_gaiyo.asp
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html

20代独身男性「4割がデート経験なし」内閣府の調査
https://twitter.com/tv_asahi_news/status/1536538876843786240
https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_politics/articles/000257944.html
https://twitter.com/livedoornews/status/1536566727425011712
https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/22333164/
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/effa1804306cd5436c15c64a80b8b441aa9dccec

>>33349560
Yeah whatever but a couple decades later Joan of Arc male-collabed with Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael and Henry's ang*os were driven out of France forever, so we know who won in the end.

>>33404009
All I'm seeing there is "exception, exception, exception".
>I hate male collabs but its okay when JP does it
>I hate it when idols talk about vulgar shit but its okay if its Mea, Matsuri, etc.
>ENs need to behave more like idols but it was okay when JP didn't because their subcount was low
You can't even stick to your own principles can you, you hypocritical fag? Ame sang a song with a male? Well that's bad, but it was okay when Suisei did the same thing because at least she didn't game with them.
Oh Fubuki DID game with males? Well that's fine because it was only a couple of time to promote them.
Go neck yourself you absolute cretin, and get out of my hobby.

>>33404453
If you've fallen in love with a celebrity, you have no one to blame but yourself. Get a grip on reality and stop misconstruing what I said.

>>33404656
Something being the norm in a branch and something being the exception are exactly the same thing chud.

>>33404533
>dragging males into my cute bullshit
How about they stay the fuck in their own circles instead of trying to get in mine and changing it, how about that.

>>33404453
>you're a projecting roastie whore
There has definitely been a noticeable influx of these with luxiem and then tempiss, but there's also a large contingent of male reddit tourists who have had their brains melted to such an extent that they feel a misplaced sense of superiority by simping for roastie whores.

>>33404815
That's a lot of exceptions you made for JP lmao. You named 5 different JP idols engaging in the behavior you hate, but EN is still the big bad boogeyman for you huh? Learn Japanese, watch more streams, and realize how many of the JP girls participated in the vulgar bits of Asacoco willingly, then go hang yourself with your exceptionalism bullshit.

>>33404883
Man this would really have some weight to it if unicorns, incels, and idol pigs weren't themselves invading parasites who latched onto this hobby like lampreys during the 2020 lockdowns.

But you know, you are, so blow it out your ass.

>>33404883
It's the streamers who are fine with males (yes even JP) not their audience. The ones who don't are only scared of their 'beloved' fans' retaliation.

>>33404009
>JP only had regular collabs with males back when no one had more than 100k subs
It was mainly because they didn't have quite as many members of their own to collab with and, by Subaru's own admission iirc, they were struggling to come up with stream ideas at the time. They basically did not have an identity yet.

>>33405067
Tell me about it. You barely saw this behavior when it was just Kizuna Ai and a few early indies, but ever since Hololive blew up right a little before and during the pandemic, these insufferable bastards have latched on to this hobby and claimed to be the progenitor fans.

>>33404656
just because you're an autistic retard and have no grasp of context, subtlety, understanding in a fan-talent relationship doesn't mean that others don't
but enjoy your shitstorms while others enjoy chuubaing with their fanbase because they actually have a level of mutual understanding

>>33405067
>if unicorns, incels, and idol pigs weren't themselves invading parasites who latched onto this hobby
Nobody is talking about chuubing as a whole, this is about hololive. The entirety of hololive's meteoric growth was in the unicorn/incel/idol period, so the invasive parasites are certainly the anti-unicorn/incel/idol cunts that have latched on in the period since holoEN became a thing. In fact, it's so blatantly fucking obvious that the anti-unicorn shit is coming from post-EN ironic hololive fans that it's fucking laughable that you would pretend to believe otherwise.

>>33404883
well, for one, it's not "your" circle, it's the streamer's; you're just present in it.

Secondly, I have some bad news for you about males existing in that circle: Vtubers already interact with their viewers, and almost all of those viewers are men. Those men have always been here, in this circle, interacting with your oshi.

>>33405253
Buddy, the only ones stirring up shit both here and on stream are the purityfags who think that their oshi's hymen will explode if she even acknowledges a male.

Roastie cunts trying to tear down idol culture were the real fans all along. We wuz queenz n shit.

>>33404656
>All I'm seeing there is "exception, exception, exception".
Yes anon.
The EXCEPTION of male collabs only being commonplace over 3 years ago.
The EXCEPTION that most male/female JP collabs aren't like that of Mea/NijiEN.
The EXCEPTION that the overwhelming majority of JP Holomen don't ever even bring up males at all anymore, period.

Since you seem to want to make this about personal tastes, I'll clarify that I don't watch Suisei at all because of her collabs with males. Neither do I watch Matsuri or Towa outside of collabs with the members of HoloJP I do watch. Fubuki is by no means my oshi either, but I respect her for what she's done and sacrificed for Hololive. Additionally, I would be a massive idiot to think the represenative of the entire company, Sora, would never have to interact with males in any capacity, so I don't hold her to that standard, especially since she's always been so incredibly professional and seiso.

The reason Ame is being shit on for her actions is because they were done out of spite for the sole purpose of hurting those who have supported and loved her the most. The same goes for Kronii, which was made obvious by the underwear tweet. They aren't professional and neither of them like or even respect their fans. They both have an obvious ego and narcissism problem and idols shouldn't be like that.

>your hobby.
This hobby doesn't belong to you, you enterist faggot piece of shit. It never did and it never will. You don't enjoy Japanese culture and you don't belong here.

>>33405067
>2020 lockdowns
>normalfags are forced to stay home
>normalfags start watching chuubas
>they somehow become unicorns and idolfags
Not sure your narrative makes much sense all things considered

>>33405415
Kek. They actually believe it too.

>>33405351
And why do issues like that happen in the EN fanbase and not elsewhere? Because things were not properly established, or changed somewhere along the line. I'll even flip the argument around for you and we can look at ID where at least some of them do male collabs and there's no issue. Because it's just a matter of expectation.

>>33405335
>>33405528
Hololive blew up because of clips, and the fact that a lot of people were made to stay home for like a year. The boom attracted kaigai niki gachikois for all the girls, but not all, or even most of the gachikois are clueless unicorns like you. Most are fine with their oshis doing what they want, including male collabs, and what is just the natural effect of a content creator evenually plateauing and bleeding audience, you idolfags misconstrue as a grand exodus of 'true fans' from treacherous chuubas.

>>33405020
>why are you upset about EN when there are just as many JP members that regularly collab with males?
JP 5/35
vs
EN 5/10

You're a fucking retard.

>>33405612
>And not elsewhere
Learn japanese lol

>>33405656
You think its only those 5 JPs that act "un-idol like"? Those are just 5 that YOU gave, you brainlet.

>>33405067
>if idol pigs weren't themselves invading parasites
you were never the target demo, tourist
Even NijiJP hold concerts, dance, and produce music.
Also >>33401467

>>33405481
I just want to laugh at
>Sora, would never have to interact with males in any capacity
Newfag or memoryhole?

>>33405747
I know Japanese, I overwhelmingly watch the JPs. Still not seeing the shitstorms though, and the ones that occur follow the same reasoning.

>>33405612
Why is it okay for ID to do so, then? What's the exception here? That they're non-Japanese. Because the same thing would apply to the ENs if that's the case.

>>33405655
You don't even use the term unicorn correctly, your opinions are a joke. It's also pretty amusing how you try to rationalise holoEN's decline, while holoJP is going from strength to strength. Here's an exercise you may find illuminating: rank holoEN members by viewership and then split them into 2 halves. All 4 of the male collabers are in the bottom half, and Mori recently dropped below Kiara to dead last. Even the ironic hololive fans don't want to watch them, not that they have the self-awareness to understand why.

>>33405747
In none of my posts, did I ever even attempt to define what an idol was or what their obligations to their fans are.
Personally I strongly believe it means not being in a relationship and dedicating yourself to self-improvement and to your fans.
I know you're probably a woman and you definately lack even the shallowest amount of empathy so I'll explain this to you as best I can:

The reason why male collabs are hated so much is because no one wants to watch the girl they like have more fun with another guy then they do with them unless they're a cuck. As an audience, you aren't more important than the other fans. No one ever gets to have one-on-one time with their oshi because it's a collective, even if someone outspends someone else.
As an idol, her fans have been there for her from day one and have given countless hours of their time and their money and their support to her, but as soon as some faggot homostar shows up, she's laughing at his jokes, flirting with him, and interacting with him more than she ever did with any of her fans.
It's inexcusable, and no one who calls themselves one of her diehard fans would ever be okay with it unless they're a literal cuckold or a surface-level normalfag who doesn't give a shit about their oshi.

>>33405655
Hololive blew up because of clips about CGDCT, which is what the audience came to expect. An audience of normalfags, for the most part. How the fuck would they be responsible for turning Hololive content into unicorn pandering? Makes no fucking sense.

>>33349560

>>33406038
I'm not an expert on the ID scene, but I figure Ollie has been doing collabs for a while, as many chuubas who play Apex do. Apparently some of it is cultural as well. And that obviously can play a role, because even YT and twitch cultures are different. Same thing with Niji and Holo. Which can bring us back to the point that some people may have been watching Holo because of that "cultural" difference.

>>33405794
Are you illiterate or ESL?
Seriously. Read the context of what you're quoting again, you smooth-brained fuck.

>I would be a massive idiot to think the represenative of the entire company, Sora, would never have to interact with males in any capacity
>I would be a massive idiot if I thought the following

A lack of reading comprehension to the degree you just displayed, should honestly be a bannable offense. It would filter ESL faggots like you and make the board a way better place.

>>33406172
Hololive blew up because of clips like Miko saying nigger, matsuri talking about wearing bandages on her nipples, and the girls just swearing in general. The juxtaposition was the appeal, all the CGDCT clips came later.

>>33406038
ID is the literal cuckold branch of Hololive. Every single member excluding Kaela has collabed with males already. Anyone asked says it's because indonesians are fine with being cucks or think of vtubing as just an extension of eceleb faggotry. They're the shame of Hololive and most of them shit on their fans regularly.

>>33406071
If we're going to numberfag, Ame was the top earner in her gen last week, followed by Kiara who did an 11 hour endurance stream. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

>>33406386
Agree about the juxtaposition, but the CGDCT clips were still the majority of their (clipped) content, which is why the juxtaposition worked in the first place. Yet virtually none of it included interactions with males.

>>33406038
I honestly want to hear your reasoning as to why you think the EN and ID branches are not only equal, but equivalent.

>>33401714
Yeah, because you aren't having fun with her. You are deluding yourself otherwise. You are there because you enjoy their stream not because you have any actual connection to the streamer. Why is this so hard to understand?

Normal, well-adjusted men can watch vtubers. Hell, Ironmouse is one of the most popular streamers on twitch.

But normal, well-adjusted men won't be unicorns like you. They understand that entertainment is entertainment, and men can exist in it and have nothing to do with cuckoldry or whatever else comes into unicorns' heads. There are men characters in anime, in my little pony, in anything. They're stylized the same way and so cuteness is preserved.

If your first thought while seeing whatever male interact with fluttershy or asuka is "hey she acknowledged him, more than she'll ever do to me" - you are not approaching this like a well-adjusted man would. Vtubers are the same, they are characters. They're not even fucking owned by the streamer in companies, and I know you are talking about hololive rn.

>>33406112
People who treat streamers like their personal e-girlfriends need to exit the gene pool immediately. You're clearly delusional if you think there was any of the flirting or whatever going on in those collabs, so there's no point in engaging with you. Most of their gachikois stayed on anyway so good luck wandering the desert or whatever you're going to do now.

>>33386562
No, it’s mainly a “westerner whose only idol knowledge comes from Love Live or hearing stuff like the AKB48 shaved-head story thirdhand” thing. Purity wasn’t a thing for its own sake, it represented dedication to the craft and the dream above all else, and cross-gender interactions are valid in purely professional contexts. That’s why stuff like celebrity interviews are getting a pass while collabs with other vtubers aren’t.

>>33406689
You're entirely wrong. My oshi interacts with chat constantly. The parasocial aspects of all this ideally go both ways.
You just don't want it to because it corrupts your own worthless feminist world view.

>>33406750
Even in the original Kizuna Ai threads on /jp/ there was never this much concentrated purity autism. But yeah these unicorns were here "first".

>>33406772
This is very funny, I'm not doubting you're knowledgeable about broader idol culture, but a shit ton of trad idol groups have no male collab bans / boyfriend bans with absolutely no blowback. The West isn't forcing lil baby Japan to change here, it's a change coming from inside their own house and all you can do is stamp your foot

>going to war is the same as going to school

This wasn't as well thought out as you thought it was

>>33406558
>I-it's just a natural plateau! You're just misconstruing their bleeding audience as an exodus!
>Points out that viewing figures for the homo collaborators suggest that they are responsible for the bleeding viewer numbers.
>Why you hef to numberfag? Also, here's a random SC figure for a week!
Kek.

>>33397264
>misrepresenting the Rushia situation
Those were Mafumafu’s fans, Fandeads were so far gone that they’d believe anything she’d tell them. Hell hath no fury like deranged fangirls.

>>33406112
I hate to break it to you and the other unicorns. The girl you like in hololive is not real. Do not attach real life feelings to a fictional character. You can certainly enjoy a story but when you convince yourself you are having any sort of meaningful interaction with a character you are lying to yourself. Vtubers are streamers and the interaction is between streamer and audience.
It's also laughable that you are masking being an egotistical asshole with caring about your oshi. You don't care about them as people, only as tools to satisfy your perverse desires that you cannot realize in real life.

>>33406750
your understanding is so shallow it's comical
welp, that's why you're an ENshart at best I suppose

>>33406649
As a bit of an aside, does anyone else feel like those CGDCT moments are nothing more than the most blatant clipbait?
How many time have wee seen a 40 second clip titled "Mommy Fauna almost KILLS her sapling with her MOO", the thumbnail is cropped hentai, and the actual content is Fauna playing minecraft and mooing once.
I swear to God, they're like the Ben Shapiro FACTS and LOGIC clips but for weeaboos

>>33406750
>Normal, well-adjusted men can watch vtubers
Anon, well-adjusted people with friends don't watch strangers playing videogames on the internet for hours. Get off your high horse and stop lying to yourself.

>>33406920
>The West isn't forcing lil baby Japan to change here, it's a change coming from inside their own house and all you can do is stamp your foot
The west is certainly forcing this change in hololive, holoJP is going in the opposite direction if anything.

>>33407040
NTA but it looks like you just said "Shallow! Sad!" and pissed your pants. What's wrong with their point? Normies aren't unicorns, normies made them blow up. Their job performance is measured in clicks, impressions, and virality, not unicorns or supas.

>>33406750
>there are male characters in everything
These aren't characters, you insufferable buffoon. Vtubers are avatars representing real actual people, you final form faggot. This is made obvious by the mere fact that the "voice actor" cannot be replaced. It's made even more clear by the fact that they all put their own real personalities, such as likes, dislikes, and interests into the avatar as well. Even their personal problems are part of their vtuber existence, or do you think that Kiara's fibromialgia or Rushia's cerebrovascular disease due to having a unilateral vertebral artery hypoplasia was just part of their character sheet?

It's more than just entertainment for many of them and it's more than entertainment for many of us. Why does that make you so fucking upset?
You're a woman and so you will never understand the competitive aspects of being a man or the stress that involves. You will never understand loneliness and you will never understand what motivates men beyond "lol, sex".

>>33406772
>valid
Please do the world a favor and use a meat hook to remove your own uterus through your vagina.

>>33407021
fucking retard tourist
>>33407266

>>33407040
Most of /vt/ are greyniggers or dead members, while the rest are dedicated gachikois who don't give a shit about male collabs, or at least keep it to themselves as they continue to watch. Of those gachikois, a small portion are the loud and proud unicorns you see infesting this board, many of whom are just larping.

>>33406386
>implying Miko saying nigger and Matsuri talking about putting bandages on her nipples aren’t cute
The juxtaposition is part of the cuteness.
>>33406920
I’ve generally maintained the position that westerners who unironically use the term “idol culture” know less about idols than someone who can make a quick skim of /jp/‘s catalog. The idol industry is ultimately an industry, so if a group or agency can survive by changing things up, they will. No reason to shit on the ones who do things the old-fashioned way.

>>33407190
that was responding to a reply about traditional idol groups (non-vtubers), retard-chan. Trad idol groups and Japan are getting less puritanical about their talents being seen with men, it's a known change and it's not due to western influence. Cover is a Jap company making a move that Jap idol society wants them to make. Nobody Cover do this.

>>33407021
>You don't care about them as people, only as tools to satisfy your perverse desires that you cannot realize in real life.
>>33404453

>>33407487
>The idol industry is ultimately an industry
yes exactly so it makes no sense to soft-lock your audience by 50%. This is a business move. Within the industry, cloistering women will eventually lose you money

>>33407266
You're the only one upset here lmao. Vtubers are not obligated to cater to your demented incel wishes. Either sit down and watch, or continue to yell endlessly into the void.

>>33407074
Many clips, especially EN ones, are indeed coombait shit nowadays. Most of the kino is on smaller channels who either translate good chunks of JP streams/entire playthroughs or channels dedicated to single/few chuubas and are therefore more aware of what's worth clipping.

>>33349560
Basedm I'm just tired man, why do these faggots have to ruing everything that was fine as it was

>>33407454
Again, you retards don't know what the word unicorn means. It doesn't mean "someone opposed to homo integration", and yet you constantly use it in that way.

>>33361845
Are you fucking retarded or just pretending?

>>33407266
>This is made obvious by the mere fact that the "voice actor" cannot be replaced.

>>33407191
The utter disregard of everything that's involved in a talent-fanbase relationship is insulting to a lot of things. For one, things don't have to be "real" to have meaning. Do you think the people expressing appreciation via supas or comments etc were just making it all up? You don't care about it because you don't see how anyone could value such a thing since you're only looking at a percentage chance of getting in a relationship with them, and hence any concept of relationship should be disregarded. It's not about inspiration, trust, appreciation, or connection. To you it's just "entertainment" and amusingly, what makes a "normal, well-adjusted man" is one that views it only as such. So yeah, it is a shallow understanding.

>>33407652
Everything was fine as it was. Then some of the idols decided on their own to collab with their male co-oworkers, and many unicorns took that as a personal attack. Admit it, you're the ones shitting up this board with your bait threads and your whining.

>>33407617
>Abandon your core audience and try to appeal to everyone all at once.
Terrible business advice, and even worse advice from the perspective of the core audience that you invasive cunts want to replace.

>>33406750
This is so fucking dumb, people watch hololive... because it was hololive. If holoen is trying to be like every other twitch vtuber or other corpos or western indies, then why wouldn’t I just watch ironmouse or some other twitch streamer or indie? She is most likely better than them at it, has more experience with the twitch crowd, and has more freedom in regards to game permissions. Holoen is throwing away a developed market niche for a chance at an even more saturated market than vtubing that they are less likely to succeed at.

>>33407721
Case in point

>>33372835
this is probably the gayest post I've ever read today

>>33407074
Why yes, my fellow female Hololive enjoyer-fan. I too think they should only be talking about dicks and sex. Anything else is completely fake and unrealistic and all clips about such behavior are just clickbait.
Eveyone knows all women are whores just like you and me! I'm glad that once again we are able to establish that these so-called idols are no better than us, even though we have no talent and don't even know our own body count.

>>33407743
Jesus man, she just played worms with a dude. Why are you getting so assmad over someone who can't even tell you apart from the sea of usernames.

>>33407846

>>33407617
Anon, businesses cater to a particular audience. If Cover has chosen one audience and does something to alienate them to chase after a different one, then the existing customer base has a right to make their opinions known, either by speaking up or through their wallets. That’s why numberfagging always comes up in these discussions. Whether the audience they’re trying to gain actually wants to watch Hololive in general, or those girls specifically, interacting with guys is up in the air at best. The girls could alienate a vital chunk of their viewers without really gaining new ones.

>>33407743
I think you went way off topic. I don't care if unicorns love truly and unicorn supas are heartfelt, endearing, serve a philosophical role, whatever. They just aren't important for Cover and Cover will never make business decisions based off them.

>>33407522
Please show me a single non-alternative idol from a current major Japanese idol group that is openly in a relationship, you larping faggot.

>>33407074
if this post isn't enough proof the ones trying to ruin CGDCT are just jealous femoids

>>33407870
I don't care about Ame, I'm just not retarded and can acknowledge where things have potential value and merit instead of flatly disregarding them.

>>33407794
Kill yourself homobeggar, I was sold a type of content for 2 years, then suddenly cgdct is no more because the guys storm their way into it, now homos are integral part of the branch. WHen something is in a way for 2 years and then changes direction its perfectly reasonable to be annoyed, you can't even use the word unicorn properly retard

>>33407796
>terrible business advice
You're talking to a woman. What do you expect?

>>33408004
So male collabs have potential merit and value, yet you disregard them?

>>33408017
Why are you acting like none of the girls before EN ever collabed with males or acted like sluts? Fucking tourist.

>>33407266
Voice actors are generally hard to replace in most cases. Streamers aren't just voice actors, they do put even more work in there. They do the work of dozens of people: theh come up with content, humor, they are moving the character, and so on. It makes sense for them to be pretty much irreplaceable. It doesn't mean they're fundamentally different, though. Many voice actors or regular actors - who, again, do less of the job - are the same as you described. They're necessary for the character to be enjoyable, they truly do put their personality in the performance, lots of characters are made around the fact that a certain person will play them.

Doesn't mean that a character isn't a character. Neither does the fact that you can interact with them, or that the streamer forgot that they are playing a character - at the end of the day, that's the kind of interaction you actually have: audience watching someone play a character. You are still watching the rock play a cop, even if at this point he's just being himself because that's his second nature after playing a cop for a fucking trillion times.

This also doesn't mean it can't be meaningful: roleplay can be meaningful personal interaction, and you can actually fuck a chuuba (not you, ofc, a normal person can).

>>33407638
Cunts like you love to say that the fans aren't entitled to dignity, respect, or even for the streamer to care about them in any way whatsoever.
That's fine, but I hope you also understand that not a single one of these girls are entitled to an audience or their support either.

>>33408139
That's right none of them are. Vote with your view and stop shitting up the catalogue with butthurt.

>>33407721
Thank you for proving my point, anon.
I like arguing with you since you seem to like to unknowingly support my argument with real examples.

>>33407794
NTA and without making a good or bad distinction about it, at this point i believe that its not just the girls themselves making that choice. I firmly believe en management is also pushing in this direction. Not like I work for the company or anything but based off some suspicions.

>>33407974
It was mostly in response to the comment chain. I don't really see how their post is quite related to your point about normies and job performance, so maybe you can re-frame your question.

>>33407074
t.

>>33408230
That would hold more merit if Ame and Mumei weren’t taking opposite approaches despite having the same manager.

>>33408092
you're the tourist, femanon.
At least learn the history of the thing you're trying to destroy.
>>33404009

>>33406920
>but a shit ton of trad idol groups have no boyfriend bans with absolutely no blowback.
name one.

>>33408045
Everything is a balancing act. Ideally I want everyone to win, which is why I actually was interested in Tempus initially. But I knew that it wasn't a "safe" position to take because of the obvious issues that would arise if collabs started happening. The main thing being that what HoloEN has is "unique" since there are already alternatives like Niji etc. What are the alternatives for the JP-like audience in the west?

>>33408445
This shit again. We wuz gachikois and shiet. See:
>>33404656

>>33408445
please take a shower, go outside and get some fresh air

sure feels like /clg/ here

Kek, push the femoid cunts hard enough in these threads and they always fall back to parroting some variation of "Touch grass incel".

>>33408504
HoloJP unironically if you want to see that. You shouldn't expect HoloEN to be a carbon copy of JP but in the west. Cultural differences aside, the branch was clearly experimental.

ITT unabashed unicorns making a complete ass of themselves as usual.

>>33408421
Yea thats a good point but that is still arouses my suspicions, because of the disparate reaction to the shit flinging from this and the fucking over exaggerated response to the dan dan video. I think the managers are sanctioning the new holoen direction which is why they are fine ignoring the pushback and allowing the girls collabs and early collab ban ending, etc. whereas stuff they aren’t in on causes a shitfit like the video.

>>33408120
Characters are written and vtubers are not. You're attempt to define them as such is laughable and offensive.
Many characters such as those in books are not even voiced at all, so you're insistance that a "voice actor" = "character" is retarded even beyond the scope of this thread.
You distinctly misunderstand what the nature of a vtuber even is. You do not belong here in this thread or even on this board.

>>33408664
idk why they're trying so hard to destroy CGDCT

/u/nicorns have been backed into a corner and can only cry out "femoid" as everyone else points and laughs

>>33408546
>t. I've lost the argument because I'm a dumb bitch incapable of forming a rebuttle, so I'll just insult you instead.

>>33408688
Well yes, that's the ship you hop to after yours sinks, but we'll see what the talents do, it's up to them after all.

>>33408510
Yes. See >>33405481, tourist.
If you don't believe me, just go sort Ai's videos by "date uploaded(earliest)" and see for yourself, you petulant cunt.

>>33408942
go back >>>/u/

>>33408139
Fans who act like controlling, parasocial retards deserve neither dignity nor respect.

>>33409048
this you?

>>33408942
Idols represent an ideal that they known they'll never even come close to measuring up to.

>>33408942
It's because it challenges their world view.
They were mind raped in their gender studies courses and now are unable to formulate any empathy for half the world's population.
They've been tricked into becoming failed human beings who will remain childless their entire lives.

>>33409332
please take a shower, you're just a control freak

>>33409177
You unicorns can't even stick to your principles. This is just blatant simping for anything Japan that people mock weeaboos for. Just because the JPs do it sparingly should not make it okay to you, and anything else is just you moving goalposts from " all male collabs are bad" to "only in moderation". Kill yourself, fucking covid tourist

>>33409196
>>33409307
this you or your future husband?
https://streamable.com/0ba0z

>>33409369
>>33409332
is having sex that hard for you?

>>33408942
No one is trying to destroy CGDCT you hyperbolic loon. I just think its hilarious when unicorns cry about their oshi being ruined by collabing with males. Normally I'd treat unhealthy attachments to content creators to be a serious matter, but you cunts deserve to be laughed at.

>>33409516

>>33409449
Yeah, yeah, yeah, please just learn to read English. I'm serious. You don't seem capable of parsing that post in any meaningful way.
And when I say learn, I don't just mean definitions, I mean you need to study grammar and reading comprehension as well.

>>33409605
>resorting to misogyny
you're watching women you know? now i understand why Gura is so scared of her fans

>>33408017
Unicorns are those opposed to male collabs, genius. They're the ones squawking about their favorite idol being spoiled and impure because of male collabs.

>>33409731
>misogyny
Kek.

>>33409731
Gura unironically thinks that men are smarter than women and she's correct. Men's brains are 11% larger than women's on average.

>>33409694
That post is not meaningful to begin with. It's just excuse piled onto excuse about why its okay for JP to do what EN shouldn't be doing. You should really follow Ame's 'hurtful' advice and improve yourself.

>>33409731
He probably wouldn't have posted that if you didn't resort to
>touch grass
>have sex, incel
Not sure why you're complaining if you spew shit first, anon.

>>33409449
once again, so you don't have to worry about goalpost moving: it's about the mutual understanding between talent and fanbase
if your oshi isn't retarded she will be aware of the relationship she has with her fanbase and will handle it accordingly to what she's comfortable with, therefore there should be no issues since she won't do anything to get them to be like 'wtf'

>>33409921
He's baiting for (you)s retard.

>>33409838
i doubt Gura said, you're just projecting like a control freak incel

>>33409732
“Unicorns” refer to those who want no male interactions at all, past, present, or future. They’re usually doxxniggers as well, because they care if the girl had a bf beforehand. That’s separate from people who simply don’t like male collabs.

>>33408911
I just mentioned roleplay, you retard. Being a character has nothing to do with being voiced or written, it has everything to do with separation from reality. You can play a pre-written role of a cop, you can play an alcoholic dwarf with the friends and be an alcoholic in real life, you can play a chill artist girl and be a chill artist girl in real life.

Fundamentally you are not watching whatever ina's name actually is, you watch ina, played by that girl. She may put her personality in it, the character may be built around her, an indie streamer like juniper might create everything that is this character and own all rights to it. But you don't interact with her person, you don't know her name. You just don't. You won't interact with me if you beat up my alcoholic dnd dwarf, at least not directly. Neither do you directly interact with whoever the streamer actually is.

>>33409980
Nope, I truly believe that if your only argument is screaming "incel" you deserve to be called a worthless hole.

>>33410008
There's so much overlap between the two they might as well be the same thing. Those who don't want male collabs because "males hurt my eyes" or "this will 'hurt' idol culture" are just parroting unicorn talking points.

>>33410186
Your only argument has been screaming "femoid". You going to high ground me on this?

>>33349560
Ok but not being able to cope with that being disrupted does make a person somebody who needs mental help.

>>33409906
Not only did you misinterpret my post where I said I personally do not watch Suisei, Matsuri, Towa, or Fubuki, you are now suggesting that I said it was okay when the JPs do it - it's not.
What I said was it's not AS BAD as when ENs do it for the reasons I listed.
However, you are welcome to make an idiot of yourself and attempt to argue why it's hypocritical to expect Sora not to be interviewed by males or cohost events with males as the cofounder of the company and representative member with the highest seniority.

>>33410008
Nah that's a useless interpretation with a poor distinction

>>33410476
But that's the actual meaning of the word, it doesn't matter if you pointless cunts don't like it.

>>33410593
Nah, here's an actually applicable one instead. It's someone who holds mutual devotion in the highest regard. Once committed to each other, they aim to have a high level of mutual understanding and respect for each other (fanbase and talent), and expect exclusive devotion, as they will return it as well. Due to this high level of mutual understanding, they can comfortably expect the talent to not upset them, because the talent knows what would make them uncomfortable (things that may suggest betrayal in some regard).

>>33409993
She's implied she thinks so a bunch. The latest time was her first Rust stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Ycp5JRR88&t=7159s

You can suck my dick now, you putrid bitch.

>>33410409
Nigger no one cares if you watched them or not, you still used them as examples to illustrate your point.
>it's not AS BAD as when ENs do it for the reasons I listed
And I'm saying that all of your reasons are shit, and amount to nothing more than blatant hypocrisy or being deliberately obtuse.
None of the Tempus collabs have ever reached the level of Mea/vshoujo, and while not as common place as before, some of the JPs still do collab with males.
But do go off about how moderation matters at all to you in this discussion, as if you haven't already made up your mind about chuubas who collab with males.
I'll say it again, go back to playing lovelive sunshine or better yet, kill yourself.

>>33408942
>nooo why is my manosphere pandering being destroyed wahh

>>33410037
You are completely over-emphasizing the roleplay aspects of their avatars or "characters" most likely because you don't actually watch any of them.
Otherwise you'd know that their "lore" or the physical aspects of their "character" hardly ever come up even when discussing such things.

>>33410008
And how are the fans who dislike male collabs not unicorns in the slightest? Are you fine with chuubas interacting with males just outside of streams?

>>33410894
>Admits to trying to destroy what was here before.
Finally one of you cunts is being honest.

>>33411247
Google hyperbole

>>33410037
>no one can be genuine or truthfully represent themselves when using a pseudonym
You're an autistic piece of shit that isn't even worth arguing. You are inherently wrong at the fundemental level. You do not understand vtubers and are just here to argue with people you dislike about something you don't understand and have never cared about.
You're existence is even more pathetic than that of the most ESL faggot here.

>>33411059
It doesn't matter what happens outside of streams. It's the same as not caring about the personal life of VAs of your favorite anime. The show is what counts. The presence of males is what ruins the show because Hololive is an all-female group.

>>33407266
>Gura is a real person
>Mori is a real person
>Woody is a real person
get some help anon

>>33411280
Oh, so you're fine with the "manosphere pandering" (whatever the fuck that means) continuing uninterrupted as it was before?

>>33411363
At least your feet are closer to the ground. But a lot of your unicorn comrades in this very thread would disagree with you on this.

>>33410894
I'm glad that at least one of you is finally being honest.
I will never understand womens' desire to destroy or take over male spaces. Especially when most women would prefer there to be LESS misogny, not more.

>>33411059

>And how are the fans who dislike male collabs not unicorns in the slightest?
Because they don’t care about doxxshit and are willing to forgive if the girl doesn’t do it again.
>Are you fine with chuubas interacting with males just outside of streams?
Yes. How is this difficult to understand.

>>33411451
I think vtubers should be allowed the freedom to collab with whoever they want, simple as

>>33411059
I want you to actually go read what a unicorn is in the context of it's original setting: that of Greek mythology. Once you've cultured yourself even to that small amount, you will finally understand what the term "unicorn" means and why such fans are called that.

>>33411462
This is a CGDCT thread. CGDCT existed decades before the first vtubers popped up.

>>33411462
>But a lot of your unicorn comrades in this very thread would disagree with you on this.
Where? These unicorns are all in your head, you're fighting shadows. The overwhelming majority of people that dislike male collabs just want this shit kept completely off stream.

>>33411676
This is not a CGDCT thread. This is a 'unicorns getting mad over their e-girlfriends e-cheating' thread.

>>33411462
>But a lot of your unicorn comrades in this very thread would disagree with you on this.
If that was the case, half the thread would be doxxing HoloEN, whereas people here are willing to overlook Mumei having been in a StarsJP collab because she doesn’t look like she’ll do it again.

>>33411405
Both Gura and Mori's real names are completely known, if that is really what your autistic smooth-brain is hung up on.

>>33411739
Are you even reading the thread?

>>33411689
>>33411742
>>33411910
NTA, but if your oshi having a boyfriend off-stream doesn't bother you while her having a boyfriend on-stream does, then you're either a cuck or you see these girls as some form of prostitute. Either way, you're disgusting and shouldn't be speaking for all fans.

>>33411910
Okay so where is all the CGDCT content then? Its only angry unicorns screaming about how they can't stand males.

>>33411958
Actually derange. Seek help.

>>33411958
They don't. Nohere else on the anglo-net but /vt/ would you see people being this proud of being locked into a parasocial relationship with an anime girl.

>>33411958
I’m not speaking for all fans, I’m stating the position of non-unicorns who don’t like male collabs, or at least a portion of those people. If you’re going to be the first actual unicorn in this thread, that’s fine.

>>33411974
Where are the unicorns? I don’t see anyone going “you know she has a bf, cuck” or anything like that until the post right before yours.

>>33411958
>If you don't like the homos being integrated into hololive but don't care about the girls personal lives then you must think they are prostitutes.
Is this some kind of woman logic that I'm just not equipped to understand?

>>33411030
Whatever the performance is, even if it isn't different from what you would do if the distinction wasn't there, doesn't change things fundamentally. It's still there. You don't directly interact with the person.

Even online we only ever say that anon replied to "me" or "you" because there is no deliberate separation between you and the messages, it's just that this is an anonymous message board. This is just not the case with vtubers, the separation is there intentionally, the streams are deliberately separated from the person. This is what makes vtubers different from most streamers: for them, however fake the image is, it's said to be the real person.

>>33412314
If you're getting mad at male collabs, it is because subconsiously you are a man-hating unicorn. Why else would this be such a big deal that the presence of a male somehow 'destroys' CGDCT?