/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33320516
Anyways, this is my first thread. I woke up and there was none, but there was a update, and Sora is good now. Discuss, post the anvil build, etc

So what did they change about Sora? I can't tell what changed but I went from dying in the first five minutes of stage 2 to getting 26 minutes into endless mode with halu active.

I thought this had the chance to go infinite (provided that you keep pressing special) but i guess not.
Couple of things to note:
I took as much knockback as i could to prevent getting 1framed, but it still seems to have happened as the largest damage number I saw was 134 while i had well over 500 health.
The kill counter stopped increasing at around 34 minutes, but the yagoos kept appearing from the sides of the screen. What i'm guessing is happening is that the game despawns enemies to bring in new ones once you hit a certain cap, and those don't count as kills, so you absolutely need to be ahead of the curve to survive.
Lost a lot of money from membership due to this, lol.
Also, the strat seems to be to get piki halu and preferrably glasses asap, but NOT to get idol healing, so you can maximise piki procs early by running face first into everything with relatively weak weapons.
Besides super items being directly superior, I think these 6 are set in stone. Weapons should probably be stronger though.

As a curiosity are there archives of previous versions of the game?

What changes were done to Sora?

>>33321076
The other 40 minute Sora run (on the subreddit) uses Nurse's Horn. Ideally, you'd get Super Body Pillow and Full Meal with Nurse's Horn and be fine, maybe. Don't know what you'd remove for FM though.

>>33320994
She basically went from trash tier, to best endurance holo. Just finished a 43m on Stage 2. He ult is stupidly broken, so I expect that will be nerfed.

>>33321631
full meal doesn't give you extra healing sources, and healing isn't an issue to begin with, so full meal is useless. Nurse's horn gives you extra procs for idol healing, mileage on that may vary, especially once you stop getting a ton of yagoo kills

>>33321666
why would someone need all those coins

>>33321076
Just follow up on some of this
>I took as much knockback as i could to prevent getting 1framed
This is worthless, knockback ends early if the hit another enemy, and the Yagoo's are too clumped up so your knockbacks do nothing.
>The kill counter stopped increasing at around 34 minutes,
I never ran into this issue in the 43 minutes i lived. I'm not sure what your collab upgrades looked like, but while my kills slowed down at ~40 minutes, I never stopped getting kills.
>I think these 6 are set in stone
Agree on this point
Also, just to add, for anyone else trying, it seems like XP drops massivley fall off after 40 minutes as well. I was still getting ~20 kills per second, but from the sound of it I was only getting a couple of XP drops from them. I expect this is intended to prevent going infinite, but yeah.

>>33321802
I don't do it for the coins, you can get far more doing an actual coin farm run. I just do it because I like challenges, and want to try surviving as long as possible.

>>33321718
Idol Healing scales with healing for the damage, and the reason you stopped killing is because your collabs aren't good.

>>33322102
I'm aware of why i stopped getting kills, yeah

>>33321631
>>33322102
Full Meal and Nurses horn aren't going to help much. Assuming you build good collabs, damage dealt isn't going to be the issue, damage taken is. You need as much damage prevention as possible; big heals don't mean anything if you don't survive the hits.

>>33320994
>Changed the behavior and effects of Ankimo
Her Ankimo bear was useless at first. All it did was walk around and had a chance to "make enemies follow it". Not very useful. Now though, the bear functions more like Ame's dog and goes around attacking enemies.

>Idol Dream has a new effect: 10% of damage dealt by the Idol Wings is converted to healing
Sora's ult also got buffed. Her angel wings feel more powerful in dealing damage and anything they touch heals Sora. She now joins the ranks of Gura, Roboco, and Fubuki as one of the few characters who can outlast Yagoos for more than 31 minutes.
Her ult is so good, it finally turned Piki Piki Piman into a good item to have.

---
I'm glad Sora is no longer a bottom tier character. Can't say the same about Mio, who still sucks.

>>33320994
Ankimo now makes a beeline towards the closest thing to Sota making him a better shield rather than randomly fucking around and drawing enemies away from you. her Ult now heals. You're the enemy had its stats upped now doing 50% damage instead of 20%. The wings actually got lower damage but now life steal and with the boosted damage are making you much hardier

>Stage mode: only get the upgrades I want for Endless
>Endless: only get the upgrades I want for Stage
It's not fair.

>>33321802
You can buy more upgrades in the shop now so you need a fuckton of coins

I don't get it, how the FUCK do you survive more then 10 seconds against the YAGOO horde? There's simply no way to DPS them before they mob you and there's not enough defensive skills to allow to to turtle and tank, I think the only way to survive them is to outrun them.

>>33323376
>There's simply no way to DPS them before they mob you
You are correct
>and there's not enough defensive skills to allow to to turtle and tank
You are incorrect, though it requires specific characters. Gura can out tank them for a time, Iyrs and Sora can outheal them for a time, and Roboco can stun lock them for a time. Bit eventually, you will die to them.

I think next roster update will have both ID 1 & 2, it's only 6 characters and EN & JP already have 2 gens in the game.

>>33320516
I'd like to see a small change with Korone's special. She will launch special until she's out of yubi. That way player can set her ultimate by preparing yubi drop on the ground and go to it to prolong her special.

>>33325623
That sounds like blue balling. Iirc Kay Yu have said he don't want to made updates were it feels you are getting less thant the previous ones..

The rat's pretty good huh

>>33325623
My guess are ID1 and JP Gen1 although I don't have any guess about how foobs gonna be.

>>33327690
She's not bad, but the overall haste nerf cucked her a bit.

>>33320516
Have any of you tried building Okayu with 100% Crit & AoE weapons?
Because I just did and it's fucking terrifying.
I feel like a /d/emon.

>>33328681
Some of us were talking about it a day or two ago. It could in theory do Yagoo but even with 100% Crit as the first hurdle you then only have a 1/5 chance of triggering the charm and with all the Yagoos it may not be feasable

I did :)

Yeah, seems like ~43/44 is the limit right now. May try out other collabs, but Damage really isn't the issue, just survivability.

>>33328815
Fanbeam being such a shitty weapon is kinda lame that had the more collabs.

>>33329409
fanbeam is pretty good for stage 2

any leaks on next major update?

>>33325623
I'd assume JP 1 & 2 desu. "Everyone gets 2 gens" is false equivalence when "2 gens" is 66% & 100% of ID & EN respectively, yet barely even a quarter of the JP roster.
That said I could totally see ID coming before Gens 3 & 4, despite debuting later. If Kay wants to maintain hype over the long term, it'd strike a nice balance to do a side-branch update for every 2 JP updates.
>EN 1 & 2 (11 characters)
>JP 0 & Gamers
>JP 1 & 2
>ID 1, 2 & 3
>JP 3 & 4
>JP 5 & 6
>Stars ig kek

>>33328815
>>33329409
I am DISPROPORTIONATELY UPSET that the final Collab was a 3rd fucking Fanbeam one, instead of a 2nd for Cutting Board.
It's like seeing a Kit-Kat bitten from the side or a pizza with a slice cut out of the middle.

This is only Halu 1, and this is easily the most stressful of all of my runs. Also how the fuck do I unlock the other items? I have some shit still missing and they're not collabs.

>>33328815
How is Stream of Tears

>>33330289
Post your armoury

>>33329722
The fuck you think this is Genshin?
It's a free indie game with a whole 10 people in the credits. 20 if you include the testers. I'd be surprised if they've even started work on the next update for a project this small-scale.

>>33330556
Dunno.
But didn't the Stream of Tears get buffed in the latest patch?

>>33330289
Check the wiki. Typically it's "survive 10 minutes with [x] character". So alternatively just do a run with every character lel.

>>33330556
Average. High damage, but nearly unaffected by haste. Get's a bit better in Endurance runs, since Yahoo's eat both beams constantly, but beyond that it's generally not worth getting.

>>33330289
>>33330782
A few require beating Stage Mode with certain items equipped too.
Basically the game wants you to experiment & try out different things.

Is Light Beam shit?

I swear every time he pushes an update he does another stealth nerf on super drop rates

Migo's "Nyeh" has an internal cooldown, I'm 100% sure of it. Rush Broken Dreams on her and watch enemies taking damage from the rain, it's nowhere near a 20% proc rate in any given area. That means Migo's scaling is never going to be all that great. Mid tier for endless, top tier for shitters who need a high damage weapon to carry early game.

So... is Sora now the most OP character in the game?

There are two kinds of coin farmers in these threads. The ones who admit they got a golden YAGOO, and the ones who don't.

>>33332869
everytime i try the halu challenge i dont get a golden yagoo idk why.
fuck rng

>>33322190
>damage taken is
No, it absolutely isn't the main issue. The main problem is that at a certain point you stop killing. You need as much damage as possible. You heal so quickly, however, that it's very hard to die.
Another thing worth noting is that the special's healing scales with your damage so you want damage anyway. I'm thinking of trying again with halu/glasses/body pillow/membership/injection/piki

>>33333103
>The main problem is that at a certain point you stop killing.
YOu definitley do not. I never stopped getting kills, and my deaths came from being 100-0'd with stacked Yagoo hits. No amount of healing changes that, no amount of damage changes that.

HI, I'M HAKOS BAELZ, AND WELCOME TO JACKASS

>>33332592
Her early game is still kind of trash until you get the first collab, but yeah with the Survival 101 kit she can outheal the YAGOOs.

Is endless the best mode to farm coins ? or is the stage complete bonus better ?

>>33333687
It used to be more efficient doing stage clear, but the addition of Halu completely changed it. Now you go into Endless, reroll until you get Halu, then play it.

Why Fubuki hasn't played the new update yet? Does she hate it?

>>33334330
shes waiting for holostars update

>>33334330
she hates that her wife is bad

>Super Energy Drink
>Rap Dog
Fuck me lad those spuds are FAST

>>33333592
update?
>pic related
Finally got it.

>>33334782
Run is going fine, nothing special. Coins plus kills is 25k at 17 minutes. Likely a 70k+ run but won't break any records. Assuming I survive. Though this damage is insane, and her special's interaction with Rap Dog is funny as fuck.

>>33334782
Congrats

>>33330556
damage buff was a mere 20% increase. (330% to 350%.)
no its not enough to save the damn thing its still shit. it doesnt apply damage or knockback fast enough nor does it do a lot either when it does.
broken dreams on the other hand got a massive buff (200% to 300% damage) its pretty good on characters with skills that trigger on hit.

>>33332869
I think the current record from a no bug version build is still my 84k Roboco from last night with no golden yagoo or supers. I expect a run with a golden yagoo and more triples or a super could break 90k.

>>33330289
>This is only Halu 1, and this is easily the most stressful of all of my runs.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too when I saw anons doing this >>33333592
By that I mean upgrading Halu to lvl 4 or 5 without even upgrading starting weapon on lvl 7. Then I realized they probably bought almost all shop upgrades. So I sacreficed one golden upgrade from "Money Gain Up" to put in other stats that would help me with combat (pic related, something like that). It's not most min-max strategy, but I actually could consistently beat stage 2 with Mumei. Since I'm not that good my strategy was to leav halu at 1 till I finish my starting weapon. Then halu to 4 and leave it there till I finish my first collab. Maybe some more experienced anons can give you better advice about strategy or about order of buying upgrades.
>>33335295
Thanks.

>>33335655
I don't believe for a second that your 84k Roboco didn't have a golden YAGOO. There's literally zero mathematical way.

>>33335670
>only one point in health
b r u h
defense upgrade helps too. i think its fairly cheap. anvil upgrade can wait until you either grab everything else or can comfortably get to the 15+ minute mark with halu 4-5

>>33335655
>I think the current record from a no bug version build is still my 84k Roboco
But I got 85k with Gura tho.

Version 0.4.1662787865 btw. The build before the buggy anvil patch.

>>33335995
The problem with survival runs is they sort of ask the question of coins per minute. Your coins per minute is lower than someone who eats shit at the 30 minute mark by a long stretch.

>>33335835
Thanks, I hope the other anon sees it. How much do you upgrade collabs with anvils when there's nothing else to upgrade?

>>33335780
Well I also had the 81k from before and that one did have a super, the 84k only really had better anvil discipline, a first level piggy bank, and maybe better anvil luck (it was not on the anvil bug version, though I had an 83k on that version I don't count). I don't think there's anything wrong with counting a golden yagoo so I would have said so if I had it. The entire run is dominated by RNG anyway. I'm not sure if I'll keep playing until I get a luckier run, but over 90k should be possible.

>>33335995
>>33336040
Yeah the record in the older versions was stage mode instead endless mode because stage mode was more coins per hour. Now endless mode is the better coins so the focus is there, but at least informally I think (biased, admittedly) the focus is still on coins/time, not just most coins.

How much difference does a ranked character has over an unranked one.

>>33333249
You definitely DO. I experienced it myself and so did >>33321076
(as well as many others who have posted elsewhere)

So here's 73k as Baelz. At this point I think the endless "tier list" basically comes down to characters who can go the whole nine yards, and those who can't. Beyond that it's just RNG that determines just how many coins you get. So far the only character who could potentially break this and go one step beyond is Roboco because her batteries interact with level ups, which means they interact with coins.

>>33336094
up til +5/200%. thats with all the enhancement upgrades. without it id say +3/160%. past that point ugprading gets rather dicey.
probably not the most smartest thing to do but i like to distribute my upgrades evenly across all 4 collabs. highest i think i got was +4 on all 4. didnt help with killing the yagoos mind.
imo if you want to be as stingy as possible, maybe +1-2 your best collabs and then dont upgrade the rest. if youre comfortable enough to leave the game running for 10 minutes past the 20 minute mark upgrading is a waste of money.

>>33335670
Yeah what you can do at the 0 minute mark really depends on your upgrades. Most of the characters with GRank 21 and full Atk upgrade are able to one shot the Mio-fa in Stage 2 with lv 1 main weapon so the idea is to get Halu 5 rolling fast and farm those swarming free exp while you still can.
If you can get lv 7 main weapon by the time Koronesuki and Onigiryaa start spawning then your run is pretty much set at that point. People with better control will even opt to max out Glasses before main weapon if the RNG is kind enough and try to clear the swarm of Koronesuki and Onigiryaa with ult while kiting around.

Man roboco goes super hard. I've never had 4 collabs before.

What's your idea for a coab weapon?

>>33336519
>I've never had 4 collabs before.
What the fuck that's like the baseline just how bad ARE you

>>33336573
That was the first time I've done endless mode, I usually run out of time on stage mode by the third collab.

I was shocked to learn that different character has different special cooldown time.
Is this a change after the update or always the same?

>>33336522
tears+bomb, makes it rain but every hit causes an explosion that chains into 6 more bombs

>>33336733
I just wish this shit was documented somewhere. I want to beat S2 H5 endless with Mio so bad.

>>33336522
More collabs are bad since it makes picking the right weapons at the right time less of a skill.

>>33336373
This begs the question of if you are specifically referring to stage 1 hard or not.
>>33321076
looks to be stage 1 hard, where obviously Yagoo's will have higher health. However
>>33321666
>>33329256
These two are stage 2 and 1 respectively, and you can see the kill counter is way higher. I've yet to do stage 1 hard thanks to wage slavery, but for stage 1 and 2, damage dealt is not an issue

>>33336820
>I just wish this shit was documented somewhere
It is. https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Character

>>33336820
still trying S3 with azki myself, maybe I just haven't had the right luck with super items but this shit makes me want to kill myself, even H1 is a struggle past 22-23 minutes or so

>>33336904
I've been using that, and that wiki doesn't give detailed information about jack fucking shit. Miko's "Nyeh" skill has an internal cooldown, as evidenced by playing her at all. Is it documented on there? No it is not.

>>33337051
he linked the wrong page like a retard https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Special_Attack

>>33336392
Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it.
>>33336397
>Most of the characters with GRank 21 and full Atk upgrade
>GRank 21
Oh shit, I totally forgot about this.
>one shot the Mio-fa in Stage 2 with lv 1 main weapon
Wow. And here I am, needing lvl 4 main to one shoot it. That's why I was questioning that stretegy. I would carelessly upgrade halu to 3 or 4 without being able to once shoot them and I would get swarmed easily. Now I get it. Thanks for explanation, I appreciate it.

>>33336820
>I want to beat S2 H5 endless with Mio so bad.
It's not terribly hard. Get daki & membership, pikipiman, and a good collab or 2 and you'll be fine.

Why do people say Korone is better than Mio when Mio is tankier and can spam special forever once fully built?

>>33337121
Sorry, I should've specified doing it with the full farming build of Halu+Pig+CC+SCT+Glasses. I've cracked 70k on a bunch of characters with that build, but Mio is a complete disaster and nowhere near able to pull it off. Around 28 minutes her damage starts falling off hardcore.

>>33330289
>stressful run with AZKi on Halu 1 stage 2
AZKi has very minimal offensive prowess
Performance = evasion/kiting
Virtual Diva = 30% haste if not taken dmg for 10 sec
Encore = if you have hard time killing enemy, this won't do much (it only helps you when things are not tough)

Good special with 80sec default cooldown

>>33337208
Ahh, that does become more difficult. She is not a great farmer unfortunately, hopefully she gets some love in future patches.

>>33336820
>I want to beat S2 H5 endless with Mio so bad.
I'll try giving it a shot.

>>33337313
Unless your item slots contain:
>Halu 5 (rushed)
>Glasses
>Pig
>Chatto
>Credit Card
You didn't beat the S2 H5 endless with Mio.

>>33337129
Because Mio is entirely special reliant with a kit that is fairly un-synergistic, while Korone can wreck shit with just her basic attack, and has a fairly self-sustaining, if not super strong kit.

>>33336374
Barring something I'm missing I think both Bae and Roboco will out-do Mumei. Both of them scale further in damage due to crits - Bae deals extra damage and Roboco gets free crit bonuses. Roboco's levels are much more valuable than raw damage though and discharge is a great AoE attack.

Mumei is still easier to play though, no real reason to put in the effort for anything else unless you're autistic enough to try to go for a record no one cares about and everyone will forget once these threads dry up.

>>33337410
Mio's kit synergizes well so far as I can tell. Omen is obviously bnb and Mama is for healing while getting in close (which you should be due to wanting piki piki piiman) and being close gives you the damage bonus from cheerful laugh (and bumping enemies while the special is active gives you 30%DR and by the end of a run it should be active all the time.
I don't see how it lacks synergy at all.

https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Special_Attack

Why Miko's cooldown time is written "???"

>>33337427
Bae's crits are one thing, but Mumei's raw base damage is another thing entirely. The Bae run was +78% damage, while Mumei was +480% IIRC.

The only variable left in my mind is how the game has a limit of how many enemies it'll spawn at a given time. With enough damage you could hit the max spawn rate and thus the max coin rate, right?

>>33333592

>>33337578
>Mio's kit synergizes well so far as I can tell
Mama is a waste of a skill slot considering Mumei, Roboco, and Bae don't even have a healing skill.

Cheerful Laugh is fine, but promoting lower range collabs like BL Fujoshi is weird since it means you have less time to kill enemies before they reach you.

Omen is fine.

Mama is the issue here. It does NOTHING. Would be nice if Omen's CDR triggered on hit rather than kill.

>>33337721
I kneel...

>>33337823
Stand up you motherfucker.
Kneel when AZKi reaches 30 minutes

>>33337874
Fuck that, I kneel for the RNG. I had to restart that Bae run about 10 fucking times to drop Halu before I kill the circle of furries about 1 minute in. Besides, if he's survived a couple of minutes longer than that he's fine.

>>33337766
Yeah, Mama sucks but Korone's Choco Coronets are hardly better.

>>33337578
Mama gives healing for enemies nearby, and cheerful laugh is increased damage the closer enemies are. But her primary damage is her special, which knocks enemies away from her, reducing the effectiveness of both previous skills. Plus, because Mama heal is on a timer, the frequency with which it procs while you've cleared enemies out with your special is often, making it incredibly unreliable as a heal.
Omen is supposed to help her stack her special, but because it is only applies by her basic attack, and only gives special if it secures the kill, it becomes irrelevant by late game, where your collabs and special do all your damage.

I finally did it guys, beat stage 2 for the first time. Fauna has a great synergetic kit desu, feels really good to play her. Only thing i upgraded so far were xp and gold pretty much, still farming all the other upgrades, but this is good.

>>33338070
I am playing Mio right now. Her special does not knockback and I am still getting Omen kills with collabs. What do you mean?

>Anon's personal top character list after having done way too many S2 H5 endless runs and setting a bunch of thread records

1. Roboco
2. Mumei
3. Bae
4. IRyS
5. Suisei
...
19. Ame
20. Mio

>>33338181
now beat it with halu 5

>>33338279
He's on the super item patch and trolling. No one could be so bad as to only just hit the 20 minute mark without H5 and with 5 fucking supers.

>>33337945
> I kneel for the RNG
I thought that anon used reroll
Also, a lv3 main weapon meant that anon might have gotten Halu when he's level 4 (rather than gotten it when lv2)

>>33338191
>am still getting Omen kills with collabs.
Anon, read your skill descriptions
>Tarot cards has a 20% chance to create an Omen
>Tarot cards

>>33338263
mio is actually worse than ame....?

>>33338379
The issue is the descriptions aren't complete. They don't say that many things have internal cooldowns.

>>33338414
That's neither here nor there. The discussion isn't about internal cool downs, it's about what procs a skill, which is clearly defined in the description

>>33338507
>it's about what procs a skill
A skill cannot proc while on cooldown, retard.

Why did they change Piki Piki Piman? was it good? I that case I regret I never used it

>>33338361
im not, i just have no upgrades at all, grinding for gold takes forever, and this was just the first version i downloaded. also not playing endless btw

>>33338414
>The issue is the descriptions aren't complete.
NTA but there are effects not written in descriptions. But understandable. A skill's description might not look nice if it is 3 pages long.

But I rather the description to be more precise. For example, AZKi's Encore's last line says "+10% song damage". But it doesn't affect Diva Song, Idol Song and Idol Concert (description: glowstick turns into song)

Where do I have to install the launcher? I had the game originally and I tried installing the launcher in the same folder but when I start the launcher it says game not installed.

i got 0:00 halu last night. last game before going to bed.
i already lost focus and didn't last past 10m. man what a waste

>>33338534
Holy shit you are dumb. This conversation had 0 to do with cool downs. The other anon was saying omen proced from his collabs, while omen only procs from tarot cards.

>>33338687
My point is that what a description says isn't necessarily what it does.

Does every update reset my keybindings and settings? What a pain.

i barely use to get runs with this much anvils with the old patch let alone 5 in 5 minutes.
how hard did they buff anvils?

>>33338605
>10% song damage"
Of course it doesn't, because it only affects itself.
>Every 7 seconds, create a burst of song dealing 100% damage. For every target defeated in the last 7 seconds, +10% song damage.
>a burst of song... +10% song damage.
In other words, every enemy you kill increases your next Encore damage. I swear some of you are just trying to be obtuse.

>>33338833
>Almost 6 minutes
>H2
Never gonna make it.

>>33338847
>a burst of song... +10% song damage.
>Of course it doesn't
>some of you are just trying to be obtuse.
How am I supposed to know it doesn't affect other "song"? They all fit the description perfectly.

>>33338737
Provide some evidence or stop wasting space.

>>33338737
It is though. It may lack some of the finer details of the skill, but it does not provide incorrect information.

>>33339017
Pick Miko and rush Broken Dreams + Nyeh. It's really REALLY obvious that Nyeh isn't triggering 20% of the time and there's an invisible cooldown involved.

Ame is Roboco on hard mode

>>33338869
should it be higher by then? this my first day on the new patch and just got started on halu runs
rng fucks me hard. this is the first time ive gotten piggy bank under 10 minutes and superchatto time nowhere in sight

>>33339186
>should it be higher by then?
See >>33333592

H5 any later than 2 minutes is honestly just a bad farming run.

>>33339063
>it does not provide incorrect information
NTA but if a description is not precise, it might lead to misunderstanding. Information missing out is another kind of incorrect information imo. Because player will have wrong or incomplete understanding of the effect. Sometimes if a player is keen or lucky, he will eventually figure it out. Sometimes he stayed misunderstood

>>33339254
ah ok so my rng is just dog shit

>>33338987
Because if it affected other songs, it would use them by name, or by quotation, such as
>Any "Elite" weapons are 10% larger
Notice Elite is capitalized and quoted.

Random mode when? Random mode as in you get a random base weapon, random ult and 3 passive skills.

>>33339358
Why does "Elite" affect MiComet?

>>33338379
You have to be retarded to have interpreted it that way. I was saying that I had collabs on Mio but was still getting kills with Omen.

>>33339182
>Ame is Roboco on hard mode
Putting them in a same sentence makes me don't want to play Ame. I can play Ame when Roboco is out of my mind (temporarily)

>>33339269
Missing information is missing information, but it does not make the rest wrong. Miko's Baby Talk does exactly what the skill says, just because the skill doesn't tell you it has an internal cool down does not change that. Yes, it can lead to using the skill poorly at a high level, but again, that does not make the description wrong, just incomplete.

>>33338987
>>33339358
>>33339431
People need to stop pretending the descriptions are accurate.

>>33339431
Because MiComet is a fusing of "Elite" Lava Bucket and Psycho Axe.

>>33336820
>I want to beat S2 H5 endless with Mio so bad.
Just did it and it was easier than I thought it would be based on what was being said in the thread (this was very very easy btw). I only wish that Halu would have appeared sooner so I could have gotten more kills.

>>33339409
When (You) get added into the game

>>33339596
Then it defeats the point of this >>33339358

>>33339472
Fine, let me clarify. If you are playing with H5, on endurance, the chance of getting omen procs dimiahes greatly as the game goes on. Happy? The point is that tying Special cooldown, on a character who relies on using her special, to your basic attack is poor design when said basic attack does not scale well compared to collabs

>>33339791
Works on my machine.

>>33339567
People need to stop pretending this game is difficult and that the descriptions are the reason they are bad.

>>33337208
I did it but without glasses but needed to spend a lot of levels in attack upgrades and crit upgrades around 33%. Which kinda defeat the purporse of the farm build, but whatever.

>>33337823
almost, it probably would have worked if I got super paw or maybe any yellow, but even with 4 collabs having at least 3 upgrades each you just get outscaled around the 24-25 minute mark and have to run

>>33339707
>Elite weapon isn't Elite because it's not explicitly in the name.
Jesus, how can you be this dense. Let me try again slower.
>+10% song damage
song is not capitilized. It is not in quotations. It is not "Idol Song" or "Diva Song" or even "Song" weapons
This means it is not referring to any other ability, weapon, or skill.
>Any "Elite" weapons are 10% larger
"Elite" is capitalized, and in quotes, and listed as "Elite" weapons specifically.
This means it is referring to other weapons, that are classified as "Elite.
Do you see?

>All these people posting H5 endless runs with fuck all coins
YOU. DIDN'T. BEAT. THE. GAME.

Oh, baby can't hit 30 minutes without his crutch items?

>THIS IS WHY THE CHARACTER IS SHIT

>>33339604
What was being said in this thread was using Mio with the usual coin farm items (Halu5 rush/Glasses/Pig/Credit Card/Superchat + 1), not beating it with just for the sake of clearing it.

>no halu 5
>no superchat
>no membership
>full meal
>super items
>collabs
>roboco
>using a controller
didn't beat the game

>>33337348
Well, I got Halu 5 and Glasses as soon as possible.

I don't really shit about those other useless items you mentioned. I already bought everything, so I have no need to choose Pig or Chatto anymore. And the Credit Card just sucks ass.

>>33340544
The point is Mio needs more relevant items to do what other characters can do without them. Thus she's bad.

>>33340544
For me personally the coin farm items serve as a benchmark of whether a character can actually clear the Endless stage with just collabs + their passive kits without any outside buffs. For example a lineup of Halu 5/Glasses/Pig/Credit/Superchat/Limiter gives you absolutely nothing but 15% Spd boost from Pig, nothing contributes to an increase in dps assuming you only take coins once you maxed out the weapons. It's only the character you chose with their base stats, their kits, and collabs that you made.

>2 kronii runs just died at 20 minutes because i didn't get last item i need with 5 rerols
Nice, just a hour of my life wasted on nothing.

do you get bored of holocure

>>33341771
I don't even have it installed but for some reason i like to read this thread

so what is the ideal sora build now

Anyone here playing in steam deck? I really want to edit my save files since I can't transfer my existing one (windows PC) that I grind since release.

>>33337348
>Credit Card
Useless.

>>33341771
I have all characters rank 21, all upgrades maxed and 750k gold left over. You tell me.

80886: This run got off to a good start but I didn't get pig until 8 minutes and by then I was seriously considering taking something else. I got more than enough anvils but they were annoyingly backloaded so I got ~500 fewer kills than I was used to since my collabs were late and in a weird order. Two triple boxes, one of which was a complete waste (I gamble for a super with the first two boxes), no golden yagoo (I haven't seen one in days), no supers.

>>33342694
Credit card is obscenely good for gold farming. Especially on the newest build which seems to have improved anvil spawn rates (not the bugged version with 2x/3x anvil rates).

>>33342921
It's obscenely good for being fucking useless, you dumb nigger.

>>33342954
Every anvil is 180 coins nyeggah.

>>33337348
>>33340855
>>33341113
Yeesh. Fine, I did the whole (Halu 5 / Glasses / Pig / Chatto / Credit Card) challenge with Mio. Happy now, autist?

I finished it on the 1st try too. No other support items besides those 5 until around the 23 minute mark, where the game forced me to choose something.

83729 This one had both a golden yagoo and a super, but was still less than >>33290631 due to worse other luck and poor play. I gambled on three boxes for that super, two of which were entirely wasted. I got glasses and piggy bank late. I then walked into two boxes because I'm retarded and they ended up wasted, then burned two levels trying to get the last item for my 4th collab.

This should have been a 90k run.

>>33343955
360 actually.

https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/EXP
Wiki says blue exp orb gives 1~10 exp. In other words, an exp orb gives varying exp amount.
But this is dead wrong. I started a new run, killed 10 enemies and checked the exp gauge. Repeated this process several time.
The result was blue exp orb gave FIXED amount of exp.

Is the wiki wrong or am I missing something?

>>33342921
NTA but I'm glad dev made Credit Card more useful, or least has a reason to pick it now

>>33336373
I dunno man, I had some real shit luck this run, (not getting glasses til 20 minutes, few health upgrades) and I was still killing Yagoo's right up until I died. Run was cut short due to low HP, but while it was 2 minutes shorter than >>33321076, I had 5k more kills. I really don't think damage is the problem if you build well, regardless of the stage, durability is.

>>33345357

>>33345428
It's still amazing how quickly a trash tier character can become an OP goddess after just a single update.

No golden Yagoos
got Elite Cooking up to +20 though

>>33346319
Jesus. I could barely get collabs up to lvl 10.

20 is overkill

>>33346446
it has no real value past the 30-minute mark I just figured I'd try my luck

Did kay buff the shit out of anvils? I had a run where I basically got one every 30 seconds on average, but often 2-3 back to back with alittle gap inbetween.

>>33345428
>>33345509
what happened, did dev update the game again?

>>33348016
Minor updates, buffs to Sora that make her incredibly strong for endurance runs.

Build 9/15/2022

-GENERAL-
-Fixed a number of bugs.
-Bosses now have a shorter hitbox compared to their sprite height.

COLLAB CHANGES:

STREAM OF TEARS
-Increased overall damage.

BROKEN DREAMS
-Increased damage on raindrops.


-ITEMS-

-NURSE'S HORN
-Increased the chance to activate from 20% to 30%.

-CHARACTERS-

-SORA-
-Changed the behavior and effects of Ankimo
-Idol Dream has a new effect: 10% of damage dealt by the Idol Wings is converted to healing

How do you unlock Office (Hard)?

>>33348237
Time machine

>>33348237
Doesn't exist yet

>>33348303
>>33348326
Ah, I thought I saw screenshots of people playing on a night version of it, my bad.

did anyone make an updated tierlist of the best characters?

>>33339567
>People need to stop pretending the descriptions are accurate.
I don't know what's wrong with these people.
But Ame's special only lasts for 10 seconds, despite the description says 15 seconds. This description error existed since months ago and not fixed yet. Should tell you enough about the accuracy/quality of the descriptions.

Of coz tons of respect to dev making this free fantastic game.

>>33348695
If this anon >>33338263 was telling the truth, his ranking should be somewhat authentic because it was based on countless actual runs (minus some biases of his personal playstyle)

broke 100k yay

83506, no supers, two triples, late as fuck glasses, no golden yagoo. No fucking SC time, though honestly I don't think SC is very strong anymore if I still did this well without it. I give up on beating my 84k run because I can't get good item/weapon luck and good super/yagoo luck in the same run.

I restart if I don't get piggy bank or halu in the first level. If I get piggy bank I restart if I can't get halu on the second, and if I get halu I restart if I don't get piggy bank in the first few minutes (depending on how good I feel the run is going I can give it a bit more time). Though with >>33350765 being 89k when adjusted to 30 minutes it's not like it matters; wish I could get super glasses on Roboco.

>>33350765
good stuff

>>33338263
Gura is still strong, I pull her over IRyS and on par with Suisei.

>>33339665
DLC with Coco, Rushia and Aloe

>>33339182
Accurate description

>>33348695
everything > mumei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ZlDmf4xpM

Mio with pikipikipiman and super idol dress is kinda insane huh

>>33342140
Does it work on the deck? Could imagine it being very fun to play on it.

Only just started playing, Gura seems to have a bit too small an attack radius.

>tfw no halu drop

To be quite desu, Bae is probably better than Mumei. People put too much emphasis on Mumei being "easy" as if moving your right thumbstick is somehow difficult.

>>33320516
So is Roboco's skills so hyper frontloaded that her late game is trash or am I looking at her long since one of her personal skills only works when you level up and well if you're going long that ain't going to be happening much.

>>33357040
Gura is one of the characters I haven't really touched yet. I'll play her a bunch later tonight.

>>33377916
For coin earned high score? Bae or Roboco definitely.
For comfort? Nothing beats Mumei. Try the usual Halu/Glasses/Pig/Superchat, replace Credit Card with Milk if you want and take Limiter. You can literally afk after beating A-chan and you miss almost no exp doing it because Friend with Limiter+Milk will cover nearly your entire screen. It's hilariously braindead that you can just throw the game on your second monitor and only go back when she levels up, hell you can even set a macro so you wouldn't need to press down key thrice and enter.
>as if moving your right thumbstick is somehow difficult
Nothing beats getting money doing literally nothing, you spend no effort yet you are still rewarded.

>goes afk for 3 minutes
>still not dead

>>33379999
>Minute 11 on the easy stage
Waste of digits.

>>33380028
i have made this post and the last one, made a sandwich and ate it and im still not dead
i shall celebrate

>>33379935
>For comfort? Nothing beats Mumei.
I dunno man, Bae's crit damage is so high that you can probably just AFK with her too while collabs clear the screen.

>>33380028
>>33380109
will probably try hard mode once i have everything in the armory unlocked

>>33380325
Sure, but you miss out on a chunk of the exp dropped unless you actively move around. As for Mumei since pickup range is shared with Friend who always revolve around her she miss out on less exp that way, which translates into more level, which in turn gives you more opportunity to take the 360 coins option.
Of course you technically can leave out a rainbow exp until the moment before YAGOOs start spawning, but it's purely RNG that way.

>>33371427
accurate

>>33321110
There was one dude who has archiving them in MEGA, but who knows where he have been up to. If I don't answer back here, I lost the link.

I did archive the first versions of the game but stopped after the first one with the auto-updater.

>>33382887
>pig
>chatto
Why. You could've survived longer if you had better items.
Even for coin farming purposes, 88k is nowhere near the record.

>>33321110
>>33385184
Found it, he still has till 0.4.1662787865.

https://mega.nz/folder/FRo20K4Q#WkP0LleWhyM10Tft3yrBZA

Which one was the one which had the broken rates for super items, again?

So Sora = Havencraft and Roboco = Dragoncraft?

>>33339409
I want an A-chan character, she can't roll any normal weapon and therefore can't collab, but she rolls all the other talent's weapons and passives as skills

Do the enemies in the boss rush of Endless Mode count as Boss Enemies for abilities that don't affect bosses? For example, can Okayu eat those enemies? Can Ina convert them to Takodachi?
When last played Endless with Ina it felt like I couldn't but it could simply be that they're more spread out so not a lot get converted, and I was running away so I couldn't see.

>>33388350
Only the bosses in the first 20 minutes count as bosses. Everything after, including Yagoo's, are not considered bosses

>>33389142
Huh, thanks.
Still Ina feels underpowered past minute 20, I had to run away until I got caugt at minute 28

>>33385219
I can't resist picking it
I am too weak

Isn't the pig really bad? I heard it gives no noticeable amoutn of money even if you pick it early

>>33390009
It's not great in comparison to the other coin gaining items, but if you're coin farming then it's still better than any items that don't directly aid in getting coins or levels. Some people who shit on it early also didn't take into account the fact its affected by the shop coin upgrades and shuperchatto, so it's effectively 3 times better than the description suggests.

>>33390009
It's...free money. If you can get it as first or second item after Halu you get roughly 1770*3 if your coin upgrade is maxed, plus 360*4 assuming you're taking it instead of a lv 5 item. That's roughly ~6k more coins.

>>33378236
>her late game is trash
She is like Mumei. Becomes stronger the more levels she gets.

>playing stage sana to mess around with new items
>super milk
This is great

Pretty sure pig gives more coins than chatto.

>>33394061
You want both, ideally. There's enough room for both, at least.

The fuck you get more coin drops??? I keep on hitting jsut below 60k.

>>33385578
>>33222875

>>33398343
1. Rush Halu 5 fast
2. Get Pig fast
3. Use anvil to upgrade your items ASAP
4. Don't open boxes until all your slots are filled and maxed
4.1 Alternatively pick them ASAP and pray for super items, ideally Super Glasses or Super Superchat
5. Pray for golden YAGOO

>>33399666
what does leaving the boxes do?

>>33401130
the boxes will give you money if you already have full items
but you're most likely better off picking them up immediately

>>33399666
I prefer to gamble on the first 1-2 boxes for supers. Also I find I go for new collabs once I can guarantee I'll only be leveling one item at a time.

You're almost guaranteed to get coins on levels if you only have one weapon to level so you can usually do it with anvils. Waiting for 6 anvils on the ground means you're really delaying your next collab. It's yet another thing you're gambling on but the entire run is RNG.

But if >>33394061 just wants to farm coins in a chill way, it's probably not worth min-maxing that much. Just picking up the boxes as they drop is fine.

>>33401423
How much money does the box give?

Damn. Game feels piss easy and map feels empty without Halu now.

>>33401974
the same amount as you can get when leveling up
the max is 420

>>33402147
Meh. I would rather play Robocco. Open them up first and get Coins later on into the game.

>>33340527
don't forget
>not turning off g-ranks

Not as impressive as other anons, but I'm proud of my progress.

>>33404470
>using your special

>>33404574
take it slow so you don't burn out. pace yourself

>>33404470
>not turning off g-ranks
What the hell does that do anyway?

>>33405152
Disables the buffs you get from dupes

>>33405152
g ranks increase your damage, health and speed

>>33405231
>>33405252
I see. I don't roll gachas anyway.

>>33401423
>the boxes will give you money if you already have full items
That's not why you leave the boxes, dum-dum. You leave the boxes until you fill your inventory to negate the risk of getting an item you don't want. Leaving them until your build is finish isn't reasonable anyway so just get them as soon as your inventory slots are all used.

>>33407365
there's a very low chance of getting an item you dont already have if your items arent all max level
and there's a chance of getting a super item which will give you more money, dumbo

>>33407581
Chances of getting a dud and wasting 360 coins is higher than the chance of getting a relevant super and it's not even close.

>Oh boy super idol dress
Said no Mumei coin farmer ever.

>>33407939
if you're doing coin farm then any super is worth taking because you dont need to level it up

>>33408377
Yeah haha but no Facemask exists.

>>33408474
Face mask is fine, not something you'd want in place of halu, glasses, pig, or credit card, but I'd take a super face mask in place of SC or milk if it was offered.

>>33407365
A box can level up an item in place of a level but so anvils can also do that. If you want the most gold you want to use anvils in place of levels/boxes as much as possible.

>>33411251
1) Facemask is your only non-farming item because it's the best bang for your buck 100% of the time
2) On no planet is it sensible to max out your build BEFORE you touch a single box considering maxing out through forges takes well over 20 minutes

>>33411365
>On no planet is it sensible to max out your build BEFORE you touch a single box
It depends on your luck how fast it happens but you don't need to get 4 collabs to start opening boxes. I often find myself capping out my items before 20 minutes with one or two collabs, opening all the boxes, then grabbing the golden anvil to get started on my next collab. My 84k Roboco run did it with just good anvil/box discipline (except two boxes I opened to gamble for a super) and good item luck without supers or a golden yagoo; waiting for those anvils makes a bigger difference in income than leveling your items faster.

>takes well over 20 minutes
Even if it does, so? It's not like the gold is worth less if you get it later in the run. As long as you do open them before 30 minutes it's still the same money.

>>33329409
isn't that a good thing? you disincentivize experimentation and build variety if a weapon is both good on it's own and has a ton of collabs

>>33398514
Thaaaaank you!

So what are the best characters? Mumei and Fubuki?

>>33412389
For what? Different character do different things.
Roboco and Mumei are best for money
Gura and Sora are best for endurance

>>33413556
What's the best roboco build?

Got an 8 minute piggy bank, but two Golden Yagoos compensated for it, and saving boss loot crates from Mikodanye until I had maxed out weapons gave more money than I expected.

>randomly decide to go a shark run on hard mode
>Bae literally melts in 30 seconds
Gorilla paw + membership is too fun, I don't care about losing crit or money. I just murder everything instead.

>>33414478
>>33417354

Not really sure what happened that caused me to die then rather than earlier on in the minute.