/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33069629
At first I wasn't impressed by Frozen Sea either but it's better than the nerfed BL Fujoshi and it has the slow tho the reason it became a staple for me is because Wamy Water is just too good for the early to mid game.

My first run endless coin farming run, and I definitely could have done things better. Next time around I'm gonna save the holoboxes for after I max my last few weapons with anvils. I got around 25 anvil drops or so this run, so Credit Card definitely pays for itself. I went +2 enhances on her main weapon, X-Potato, and Frozen Sea, and +5 on Micomet which was just enough damage. I did have to move around a little bit at the 29m mark to not die though. No Golden Yagoo as well this run and only one triple holobox got me close to 70k.

The anon that was trying to beat the Mumei 73k+ run has any progress?

Collabs
>Pettan board
Power gap

>Micomet
>Frozen Sea
>Broken Dreams
>Elite Cooking
>Dragon Fire

Alright

>Fujoshi
>Idol Concert
>Breathe in Asacoco
>X Potato

Never use anything else

>>33073723
Forgot to mention that I'm only 7/10 upgrades on shop ATK, though that shouldn't really matter with Mumei's insane ATK stat due to her passives.

>>33073777
Characters based on strength ease of use

Stupid OP and I love them for it
Mumei
Roboco

Kinda easy to play at high level
Sana
Miko
Fauna
Susei
Cali

Good if you have a brain
Gura
Fubuki
Ina
Irys
Korone
Okayu
Kiara
Bae

Working for a living
Kronii
Azki
Mio
Ame
Sora

Post ideas for super versions of passive items that don't already have them

I hope they fix Sora soon

>>33074116
Something that could give you a form of crowcontrol, like a slow or stun. Probably just in a single level because otherwise it would be too good.

>>33073777
Isn't Rap God better as a third/fourth collab than some of those given the debuff it gives you? Especially dragon fire which is directional.

God damn it's so tempting to grab all the boxes.

>>33073944
I can't manage to play Roboco, I played her once and thought she was weak. Any tips?

I think haste Mio is my second favorite to play after speed Foobs.

>>33075724
Get glasses her passives and as much Halu as you can handle and maybe Limiter so you can grab batteries easier even as Halu builds up. Level like mad then build your collabs to stay ahead of the damage curve

>>33075298
Thats why i listed it in the "Alright" section. im also wondering if the debuff stacks and if Bae can super-murder with it

micomet or elite cooking? I personally like elite cooking better unless I'm playing Suisei for the pettan bonus

>>33076667
I usually use Haachama for Broken Dreams nowadays so Micomet. Both are still solid though

I can't handle Stage 2 bros... I might need to turn in my gamer cred...

>>33076813
broken dream just doesn't seem that good to me along with frozen sea. someone please pitch to me why those two collabs are decent

Is no offensive items all characters for both stage 1 and 2 clear?

Is there a limit on Roboco's piercing on her Awakened gun? For some reason I failed at 26 mins on the hard Forest even though my Fubuki run was fine at 22 mins

>>33076973
Its a matter of coverage to damage then tacking on slow is certainly nice as well

>>33076973
frozen sea is ridicoulous, on level 2 no one even gets to enter your visible screen if you have any haste

>>33077664
wait, does haste increase your weapon's attack rate? I thought it's only your auto attack

Anyone else get the urge to fuck Bae in the ass 'til she cries after the end of the Hard Forest?

>>33078388
wat

>>33078388
Bae is for mating press you degen

>>33078450
fighting the Hard Forest's boss makes me want to do Bae.

>>33077767
yes all weapons
its why ku had to nerf haste into the ground

>>33078786
holy shit, no wonder

Credit Card is easily worth it for gold farming runs. You'll see around 17 anvils on average without the credit card running Halu on Stage 2.

I dont get the upgrades
are you intended to buy them all?

Piggybank worth getting?

75521 rrat

73k run, though definitely could have gotten more. I had 0 triple boxes this run, but one Golden Yagoo at least.

>>33079831
How did you get so many base coins without super chatto and piggy bank?

>>33080067
Kill more enemies get more levels, don't waste any money upgrading things because Bae has enough offense. I tried this on a hunch that Bae scaled better for endless than Mumei and she did. As you noted this wasn't even a great run, I got halu and glasses early but never got SC or piggy bank, and ended up just wanting to see how a glass cannon would do.

The 16:45 wave was a bit dicey and I lost an earlier run there, but if you pop your special a bit in advance it's really the only time you risk damage.

>>33075724
Exp glasses and limiter/milk. In an endless run I played, I had close to 500% pick up since the idea was to kill for batteries to stun enemies from reaching you. I had elite cooking, frozen sea, and rap dog for damage and debuffs. Doesn't survive after 30 minutes though. Got to level 122 without exp glasses.

>>33076877
Just kite, bro. Or use Migo/FBK.

>>33080230
Even with the 9 extra levels that's only 3,240 more base coins + whatever extra coins you get from enemy drops. In my runs, I only spend around 1k coins upgrading collabs, so that should only be roughly a 6k difference. Piggybank alone is already a 5k difference, so I probably either had really shit box luck, which I did, or you had godlike box luck. Could be both.

>>33080431 (me)
Forgot to mention I also only do 3 collab runs, which frees up 7 full level ups, which is another 2,520 coins.

>>33080431
Oh and I did get one golden yagoo, so I'm kinda even with >>33079843 for "special" luck. No super items (super boxes give extra coins) and I think I got one triple box but I can't remember. Definitely not unusually lucky. I think I got maaaaybe one coin from a box.

Does anyone know if later enemies drop more coins? If I had a lot of extra kills backloaded at the end where Mumei's raw damage starts to fall off more than might explain it.

>>33079743
No, is a noob trap unless you could snatch it early in the game. Like less than 5 minutes.

>>33079743
Piggybank is always worth getting if you are gold farming. It has a max level of 1 which means you get more holocoin level ups.

79k
1 golden yaggo
no triples

had weird RNG, got Gold Dakimakura but only 1 collab because I kept getting dumb level up rolls. It's my fastest Forest(Hard mode) clear though, how about you guys?

>>33076877
My first W on the Office was using Miko.

>>33082360
The base amount of coins you get a run can vary wildly huh?

>>33082360
Do you just rush halu 5, glasses, and superchat + Mumei feathers early game?

>>33075425
Just wondering, why would you not pick up the boxes? Do the boxes increase in value as time goes on?

>>33085175
go halu 2 until you have a strong collab
halu 5 will kill you if youre not ready

Luv me mumers
Didn't even need to use the feathers

>>33076667
I find elite cooking to be WAY worse than regular spider cooking

>>33085498
I'm saving the boxes so that I can get more anvils towards increasing weapon/item levels. This means that every single anvil that drops before my build is complete is worth an extra 360 holocoins.

>>33085175
I rush Moom feathers + Halu 5 ASAP. I keep an eye out for superchat, glasses, mask, credit card, piggybank. You can survive no problem on Mumei with 0 collabs and Halu 5 with some Civilization/History levels.

>>33076877
weirdly enough my first win in stage 2 Halu 1 was Okayu. Her food drops saved my ass for the final 5 minutes.

Can anyone even compare to Roboko for coin farming?

>>33086138
really? they cover a much bigger area and it does more damage

>>33087251
>>33082360

I don't know how to play RBC-san. Please help

>>33088211
pew pew

>>33088211
Get money skills, get experience skills, stack collabs.

>>33088211
Max Halu
Get Limiter
Get battery and electric discharge
Congrats you are now level 80 at 10 minutes.

>DOn't Halu, Supa, piggybank, full meal, face mask and 3 collabs to get coins 11 levels earlier
>DON'T resist if you don't get halu in the first two minutes
>DON'T pick up holozon boxes until your slots are full
>DON'T pick up holozon boxes until all your slots are full and maxed to triple coin box
>DON'T pick up anvils until you have what you need
>DON'T have sex
>DON'T watch more than your oshi
>DON'T skip the 17 hour powerwashing simulator epic
>DON'T use a controller for smooth dragon fire targeting
It's all so tiresome. Why is the game worse than a boarding school for nuns?

>>33079435
Yes. Mostly coins, pickup, attack, and speed. You can look up posts where kay yu is saying they playtested stage 1 hard with 5/5 atk/spd so the metaprogression is intended to be used as design rather than being a shitter crutch.

Not the items I was going for but it worked out. Was hoping to farm more gold but eh, not going to try this again.

>>33084612
The super boxes also give more coins than triples, so that adds 2-4k depending on when he got it and how it rolled. If it's 79k with a nearly perfect set of items for Mumei and still less kills than >>33079831 run with really sub-optimal items then I am fairly certain Bae has a higher cap than Mumei. There haven't been any real like-for-like builds posted but Bae just plain deals more damage than Mumei so it's down to Bae (damage) and Roboco (levels) for most earning potential.

>>33089353
In theory Roboco should take it since levels are more coin than anything else. Getting rbc to 30m consistently is the next frontier I guess

>>33073944
I don't get why people think Kronii is so hard to use. She's laughably good esp. considering the easy +189% speed boosts etc. which allow you to avoid everything.

>>33089731
Gotta get enough of something to get kills to start ramping. Also the player skill issue of having to constantly shift a somewhat narrow attack until you get strong enough to actually kill so the day of the (clockhand) rake can descend

>>33089731
Kronii was my first stage clear back in the first version. She's very forgiving because she gets ton of speed and haste, and for all the hate her weapon gets it wasn't initial-version Calli or Kiara and was serviceable enough.

>>33089961
>first stage clear
>gets ton of speed and haste
Are you me, anon?
She's one of the first characters I unlocked and her speed really helped clearing the stage.
I also unlocked Calli but she's shit in the first release because of the dead zone in her attack.

>>33089731
Kronii just melts things and if you are lucky with haste and bubbles can last longer than most others, especially if you kept your feather revives

This cure arc didn't even last the long. No one is playing it not even a week later.

>last updated: 3 days ago
ABANDONWARE, WE'LL NEVER GET NEW CONTENT AGAIN

>>33074116
super injection asacoco that deals 20% damage to you a second

>>33091246

After some experimenting I think I'm not going to be taking elite cooking much anymore. CEO's tears is the best uncollabed weapon now, especially early on when it hits level 7, and it makes broken dreams easily the best collab to go for first. I am not sure if broken dreams is actually better than elite cooking for doing damage but it does hit a larger area so it's at least better for characters who can out-scale the enemies and kill them closer to the edge of the screen. Axe, lava bucket, and asacoco are what I use when I need a final weapon after 4 collabs, none are as good as CEO's tears but it can't really be helped.

>>33090320
well yeah, he only added 2 stages
and thats really the new content for most people other than the kaela types who autistically play every character

>>33090320
Bae has it scheduled for the 15th. There's only so much you can do with the base gameplay too. That's fine, that's how real games you can pick up and put down work. You can just play more when the update comes.

>>33088481
>>33088718
Thanks but I meant more how to play not what to grab

Why does Halu tie into it?

I'm surprised Vampire Survivors hasn't made a return to the stream meta. Game is so different now than the last time it was popular.

>>33090320
ENs have played it out and the members that haven't been added yet need to keep it fresh for when they do

>>33091726
All Holocure v.0.4 unlock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkEYTD3kls

>>33091726
Early on you try to chain Discharge, with your ult being your backup when miss a levelup. Use those levels to max your weapon and start work on a collab, and pick up exp items. Some people will probably go straight for the collab instead of her weapon which is just so-so.
Halu is because more enemies = more exp = more levelups and batteries.

>reroll 5+ times
>don't see even one of the 10~ items you actually want
The RNG is such a fucking cunt now, and will only get worse with each content update.

>>33091948
The game needs a ban system, but a better one than VS. Maybe if you buy levels in ban, you pick one item per level to ban right at the start.

>>33091948
Really does need banishes/skips and more rerolls. Each item added is a huge increase in the number of expected rolls you need to get a specific item. This isn't too bad when you can be flexible, but when you need glasses or halu it's just infuriating to the point where I just restart if I don't get one in the first couple of rerolls. The way the game uses a bucket system is also infuriating, so if you pick something and don't want to level it up yet you will get it offered constantly. VS has the same problem with high luck but you have the tools necessary to deal with it.

>>33091726
More enemies, more coins
Kill enemies, don't die to enemies, achieve power overwhelming

>>33091745
If you got some hours you can put together a spreadsheet with all the vampire survivors streams then get some analytics on it. It might have tumbled off on views later on. They might just not know it's worth a revisit. Anything is possible if you rainbow supah the news.

>>33092016
Yeah some stuff is just poisoning the pool and it's only going to get worse with each new item. Probably best to just make a customizable item pool with minimums rather than bans since you'd just need more bans as time went on. Fucking food sheep.

>want to play Mio
>5 minutes into hard mode with 0 special regen skills aside from Omen
>out of rerolls
Motherfucker, just let me super spam and have my fun.

>>33092191
Haste

>>33080401
Funnily, I can only clear stage 2 with Koro-san or Kiara.
I tried using Miko but I couldn't survive the Mikodanye and 35p onslaught.

>>33092191
1. Omen
2. Idol Costume
3. ???
4. ORAORAORAORAORA

>>33076877
>>33092206
Like, regular stage 2? Are you getting the upgrades in shop? Pick weapons and items complimentary to your mainweapon attack pattern and character special while building up to a collab. After a few runs you know when the crunch periods are and what you need to have by then to handle it. Past that you're just looking to get better at keeping your aim on target while kiting. If you don't get the speed to dip through, you can use water blast or cutting board to break in gaps to slip through.

>>33092315
I only maxed coins and exp upgrade

>>33092260
>2. Idol Costume
20 LEVEL UPS AND 6 REROLLS IT'S NOWHERE TO BE FUCKING SEEN

korone feels kinda weak

>>33089731
I put this together with the idea of how easy to play they are/ Kronii is great but imagine for a second you are Irys. You are a dim bulb playing this who kinda understands most of the concepts but arent like Cali refusing to read anything. You grab Kroni and her clock hands dont aim the way you expected them too and you ignore perfection because "I lose it if I get hit that sucks you always get hit". Thats why Kronii is in this rank along with Azki. Im sure you dont have problems playing her but give somebdies little brother timmy Kronii or Mumei and we know who they are gonaa be able to win with

Turns out screaming at your monitor ANVIL despite having a maxed credit card early does not make anvils drop in 30 minutes.

>>33093289
she feels stronger than Mio and Sora for me

>>33089068
Is this 1-Hard? Very impressive.

>>33089961
Is it me or is Kronii's current Clock Hands better now? I swear they seem to hit a lot harder now and for what it's worth the buff to Kroniicopter has made it piss easy to focus down a target with the hands.

>>33090320
It's oddly enough catching on with more people outside of Hololive atm. Been seeing it get mentioned and played by content creators I never thought I would see cover anything Hololive related.

On a side note how many stages and items/weapons do you think will be enough to consider the game "complete" or at least healthily replayable like other games in the genre?

>>33073944
Skill issue. My second hard clear was with AZKi who I had not played before.

>>33094093
>Skill issue
>Ranking based on ease and power
>Yes you are smarter than Irys and Timmy

Honestly I didnt want to do an all out power tier list because I think of a lot of it is hard to really really nail down and when I thought more about how much harder people had to work than Mumei and Sana I figured that would make for a better tier idea than trying to figure out raw power alone

>>33094092
Items is fine as is, because the strong differences in how each character plays is the game's strength compared to other games in the genre.
Stages, probably about double what we have now.

>>33094245
Another three or so stages would do good the long run yeah. Item wise yeah I mostly agree. I think by next update if Kay is going to drop a similar amount content as this one it's going to place the game in a pretty good spot.

>>33093289
I only have issues with her on stage 1 hard at high Halu. And if you get lucky and get the super gorilla item she destroys stuff

I feel like if I got milk instead of being stuck with sake - which by the end was doing absolutely nothing for me - this could have been a contender. I also got some pretty poor anvil RNG, which definitely cost me a few thousand. 30 minutes is not really enough time for Roboco's infinite scaling to kick in, and honestly even a few levels of attack and crit on Bae will let Bae massively outscale her. I got 11 levels more but Bae had more offensive items, so maybe another 5-6k maximum earnings over Bae from levels, minus whatever Bae gets directly from kills.

>>33093396
I actually find mumei kinda squishy until you awaken. I mean I guess I suck but I do have a few runs where I die before that sometimes due to bad rng.

>>33094613
What is your reasoning to think Bae scales much better than Mumei & Roboco?

>>33095025
In terms of damage Bae just does more. Mumei caps out while Roboco scales infinitely but slowly. Frankly Bae can outscale Roboco by taking a few attack upgrades since each attack upgrade counts for more with Bae's higher damage crits. Roboco taking +attack every level gets outscaled by Bae doing the same unless Roboco is getting ~50% more levels, not that it really matters.

>all I want is to have fun with my oshi
>had to resort to buying her with tears
>everybody else in her gen is at g-rank 4+ at this point but she's still at 1

79428 rbc, barely edging out >>33082360 despite not getting stuck with full meal instead of super chat time, and not getting super milk. I'm content with this for now; not that I played perfectly but but it's way more RNG than skill at this point.

In the future when everyone is released, i think it would be cool to get a new mechanic that you can only unlock by doing a character specific stage

>>33095851 (me)
Also, should mention, no super box but maybe two triples? I think there was also an early golden yagoo who barely gave me shit. I've seen supers directly give over 3k and as little as 1.1k, but I've never seen a triple break 1k yet. Also spent 300-400 on upgrades that were probably unnecessary, if I'd known it was going to be such a slim margin I probably wouldn't have.

Hows stage 2 with Halu? hard at all? whats the best coin farm?

>>33089731
Kronii is one of the strongest if you have triple IQ digits. 2 of her passives are great damage multipliers and bubble removes the collision and trivialize all event encounters. Plus she's fast and has increased pick up range. Also, her main weapon is super underrated, you just need to learn how to use it.
But if you're dumb, you'll just lose perfection, fall behind, mismanage your bubbles, start panicking and die.

Why do people take Piggy bank for gold farming runs?
It's "just" like 1.5k gold and that's assuming you are picking it up minute one and you're losing an entire item slot for it.

>>33096962
Stage 2 does not get nearly as hard with halu as stage 1 hard does. There is exactly one wave around the 16:45 mark in stage 2 that might be a minor problem if you have absolutely no defensive upgrades but all the others can be easily cleared out with glass cannon builds.

Stage 2 endless with halu is the best for gold farming if you pick Mumei, Roboco, or Bae. Mumei is the easiest, by far. Bae has a harder start but can get more kills than Mumei later on, though I don't know if I'm going to bother trying to figure out who is truly better. Roboco is probably the most coins but she needs active playing from 20-30 minutes to keep leveling up and triggering discharge. Mumei can just afk from 20 to 29 minutes, while Bae can afk between specials. If you just want a chill time then stage 1 endless with halu is fine for farming, and you can do it with any character. Stage 1 doesn't really change at all with halu unless you're really bad at dodging, even the odd hit won't instantly kill you.

>>33097104
>It's "just" like 1.5k gold and that's assuming you are picking it up minute one and you're losing an entire item slot for it.
It's affected by the gold upgrade and multipliers. Halu, by comparison, is not affected by shop upgrades, so each kill is always only 1 coin * stage multiplier. Piggy bank with upgrades is 3 coins/second * multiplier, and say you get it at the 5 minute mark that's 1500 seconds -> 4500 unmultiplied coins. In order to do better than piggy bank, whatever takes that item slot needs to get you more than 4500 more kills + levels * 360. It's actually even better than that, since piggy bank is a single level which gives it a direct 720/1080 coin advantage over most other items.

Ignoring super items the best lineup is probably halu, glasses, credit card (and playing around it), SC, piggy bank, and then milk. You're not going to get that much experience/gold from a single item that isn't already in the build, so the piggy bank is efficient.

>>33096962
Stage 2 with max Halu isn't that hard once you get a Collab around the time you hit Mikodanye. I ran multiple Suisei runs with max Halu and it's pretty damn easy once I get Flattening Boards and anvilling the Awakened Axe a bit.

Max Halu Stage 1 Hard is a lot tougher since enemy damage and speed scales really damn high on Halu 4 and 5. Big issue I've been having is that I'm ass at dodging patterns at times even when running Kronii and the scaled up damage on Halu 5 basically 2 shots me.

>>33097479
Oh I wasn't aware that it's affected by shop upgrades, I see.
Thanks.
Haven't played much since the upgrade, how greedily can you pick glasses, halu and superchat compared to maxing your first weapon / first collab?

shuba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7LRSB39mU

>>33097774
>how greedily can you pick glasses, halu and superchat compared to maxing your first weapon / first collab?
Depends on the character but I restart if I don't get halu/glasses early on. On stage 1 normal or stage 2 you can max both glasses and halu before upgrading anything else, but I usually find myself leveling Mumei or Roboco's weapon a bit just so I don't need to waste extra rerolls. Bae's weapon is pretty bad and I always go for CEO's tears first if I can get it. CEO's tears gets really, really good at levels 6 and 7 and can carry any character through the early game, then becomes broken dreams. Getting SC early is not as important, especially with how much other RNG you need to deal with.

If you're not going for epeen runs then you don't really need to sweat it though. Order doesn't matter much and continuing a bad run will get you gold faster than constantly restarting less-than-perfect runs. Restart if you don't get halu in the first levelup with rerolls, but otherwise just play with what it gives you.

>>33097479
Lately, I don't think the piggy bank is a good item for coin farming. It lowers your pickup range so much.
I'd rather max out the Limiter and let the stuff come to me. Especially in Halu 5 mob hordes where picking up their drops is much harder

>>33098518
Just wait for a rainbow EXP and pick it up near the end.

What happens?

>>33098689
Your dog dies and your mother gets gangraped.

>>33098689
>>33043031

>>33073727
Yeah I fuckin died like a bitch to random shit I could've easily dodged because of hitboxes.

>>33098518
>It lowers your pickup range so much
Pickup range goes to rank 10 in the shop. Also just let the screen fill with exp then touch a magnet.

>>33099947
I get as many ranbows when I need them as Golden Yagoos and Super items

>>33098689
Me: mom I want some water
Mom: we have water at home
Water at home:

>>33100721
jesus, go back

>>33097187
>Mumei can just afk from 20 to 29 minutes
Yea, you can just sit back and collect free money

>>33100967
You call THAT free money?

>>33101022
GOD FUCK I CAN'T DO IT

Got Suisei to 69k coins at 29 minutes again. I really want the 3 collab idea to be good but maybe it really is best to just play it safe with 4, especially since even optimally you only get like 2k extra gold.

>>33100967
Moomay has been like that since the first release.
It's even better now because of Limiter.
The Friend also collects coins now.

I feel like a retard when I use these threads, everyone is farming with Mumei but every time I try it I get butt fucked
Like, what's the general strategy for it?

>>33101687
Which stage are you farming?
Have you completed any stages?
What's your Moomay rank and your shop upgrades?

>>33101871
Stage 2
All three of them
I usually go all attack, speed, exp and coins, with the obvious inclusion of the Special Attack and that one that gives you more stats per level
Personally I think I might be retarded for real

>>33101949 (me)
Oh yeah, I forgot that I have reroll as well, and my Mumei is rank 2, I confess I haven't pulled that many gachas from council before getting all 5 of them

>>33102094
Bruh just max the coin rank in the shop or at least get it to 5+ then just Halu 5 on S2 endless.

>>33101022
It was a bad run. I got the Super Chatto so late in after the 20 minute mark.

The only advantage that playing on a keyboard has over twin sticks is that you can't pet Bubba on a controller

>>33102251
On the bright side you're probably okay playing Ame on keyboard because she can't aim anyway. It's only when you unlock the Roboco upgrade for her that she can aim.

>>33101949
>>33102094
I think your shop upgrade is enough (Atk, Spd, XP, Coin) for farming.
Try farming in Stage 1 endless if Stage 2 endless is too hard.
You can try Stage 2 endless when your Mumei has higher level (gacha her) or you have better strategy (weapons/collabs choice, passive items choice)
This >>33100967 weapons/collabs look good, what did you use in your run?

I submit to the court this piece of evidence. I consider this a "perfect" baseline Mumei run.

>Glasses 5, SCT 5, Halu 5, and Piggybank all before 5 minutes
>Next two items max at rank 1 so more levels to take coins
>Absolutely ZERO triple boxes
>Absolutely ZERO golden Yagoos

The end result, 68k coins.

Now I don't have any reason to farm money anymore. I maxed out all the upgrades in the shop. I maxed out every character's G rank.
I don't even have to pick up the Super Chatto Time item anymore, because there's literally nothing for me to buy now.

After 5 days of playing, I'm finally done with this game and will now move onto playing other games. Until the next update drops, see you guys later.

>>33102780
Dev needs to allow the damage upgrade in the shop to keep going infinitely.

>>33102762
>>Next two items max at rank 1
You had three Full Meal, Piggy Bank, Face Mask.
Taking a max level 1 item was part of the original Moomay strategy in the rentry link, only Full Meal though because Face Mask was a max level 3 item in older version.

Does Stellar proc off of itself?

>>33103044
Piggy Bank being max rank 1 is just a nice bonus more than anything. Little guy net me about 7k in that run.

Did Subaru just take Gori paw on Susei? Why? Why would you do that to yourself?

>get Piggy Bank
>can barely pick up exp now
>not leveling up fast enough
>die
Great item!

>>33103468
Congrats anon, you're officialy dumber than a duck

>>33103543
GIT GUD!

>>33103616
>Crit based character
>Take item that lowers crit
>Faggotanon reacts
>Tells me water is the stuff in the toilet you cant put that on food

Stage 1 hard mode, Halu level 5.
Who else is a good contestant to make it to 30 mins aside from Mumei, Roboco and Rrat?
I can't seem to do it with anyone else

>>33103543
Here's a few ways to remedy your problem.

1) Max out pickup range in the shop
2) Play Mumei
3) Play Sana

>>33103825
Retard-chama, Suisei has guaranteed crits, so Gorilla has no downsides on her

>>33103468
Suisex Awaken axe swing is GUARANTEED Crits Anon, you do sacrifice the other weapon's Crits but the Axe will murder most things

>>33103873
Miko and Suisei can probably do it. I've been almost making it to 30 minutes on stage 2 with a 3 collab full money Suisei build, so with regular items I'd imagine she could walk it home.

>>33103906
Retard.

>>33103906
You fucking stupid asshole she has guarunteed cits on her basic attack which is great but isnt enough once you start getting swarmed later. and collabs carry the load

>>33103960
Concession accepted

>>33103825
Not him but you're a fucking idiot. There's no point in getting crit over 100%. Suisei with her buffs can easily get over 100% crit. Thus if you take Gorilla's paw you have an Attack buff with zero downsides as long as your crit remains at 100 or above.

Not sure if pretending or really that stupid.

Can we please stop pretending that Subaru is some 200IQ genius.

>>33104027
Sure samefag enjoy that maxed out 35% crit rate taking Gori Paw also prevents you from getting broke as shit Super Gori but I doubt the Duck knew that just like I dobut she has maxed crits from the shop to compensate

One big problem Gorilla Paw has is that your base damage % should already be quite high from other stuff. The shop alone gives you +60%. This means the +50% from GP increases your damage by less than a third, but robs you of 20% crit chance when crit/haste are probably the easiest way to up your overall damage output.

Item is just bad.

>>33104429
It's item for casual play. If you just some random, playing non-crit character, have close to no upgrades, only care about clearing the stage.

I can't keep up my level up chains as RBC at all...

>>33104429
It doesn't matter if you have almost no crit though. Balancing things around being maxed on shop upgrades is retarded.

>>33104429
>>33104545
Also, if there ever will be some kind of mode without shop upgrades it can get a surge in popularity.

>>33104587
>It doesn't matter if you have almost no crit though
Only for purposes of Suisei's axe, which by the time you have 2 collabs won't be what kills things. And if they DO make it through the collab damage, they probably wouldn't have if you didn't have Gorilla Paw holding back the collab's damage.

>>33104656
I think his point about balancing around a fully upgraded shop is still a good one though. A lot of folks are just gonna play stage mode with their favorite chubba and will be lucky if thewy read Goris paw enough to know it doesnt raise crits

What's the multiplier on default criticals?

Can you beat both stage 1 and 2 with only your auto attack on all characters or is there a character that it's just impossible with?

I had to play this game just to see why so many of the girls were awful at it and I guess I can kind of see why if you don't rebind your keys. The strafe lock is kind of retarded with how it works since you have to move into the direction before holding the key,

>>33104656
Right, of course if it's suisei it's a waste to use the gorilla paw since she is basically a crit whore and her axe swing alone doesn't proc stellar/blocks quite enough to bring out the full potential of the character.

>>33104776
It's highly improbable because you'll need to pick a weapon eventually.

>>33104739
1.5

>>33104776
Depends more on your shop upgrades than anything else. I don't think it's be entirely impossible but there are certainly characters on which it'd be harder.

>>33104776
You absolutely can, you just have to pray for no weapons on the run.

>>33105054
Glasses look like antisinergy. You want less level, not more.

>>33105198
It was that or a weapon...

>>33104820
You can also use gamepad for twin shooter controls. It's so good, it's basically cheating.

>>33105243
I noticed. I don't know why the creator didn't allow people to aim with the mouse. There's another Vampire Survivors clone that lets you do that and it works great. Also I rolled my oshi first try.

>>33075724
Pick the battery upgrade and don't hesitate to run into swarms of mobs if there are batteries, you will be able to save time by leveling quickly and stun them so they won't hit you.
Also pick the electric shock upgrade on level up, it's really strong and you can pretty much chain it and have it almost always on in the early levels, at least in hard mode.

Dumb mayodog...

>Halu never shows despite getting two supers
>Ended up lower level than a normal stage run despite another 10 minutes
>Spent 3 levelups on coins just to afford to use the anvil
>Paid 2 coins for the half hour experience
O-Okay... Least I got to spam my special

I made it past the second stage with like only 2 purchased upgrades by merely cheesing with the chicken feather. That item's kinda crazy.

>>33104776
Funny I was just testing that. My stat upgrade RNG was shit, but the idea is sound.

>>33105054
You can refuse the pickup anyway.

>>33106787
>HoloCoins Gained: -2
YOU WOT M8?

>>33106787
>memebership
Retard.

We're at 49 items all together, think they'll add a Banish-type shop upgrade to thin the pool soon?
If they're worried about it copying VS too much just call it a Bonk or something

>>33106896
It's not exactly a challenge on mori. Other than the fact that she is a slow piece of shit, that is.

>>33106966
I wanted to stack all the attack items plus halu for fun punchdog ryona but then life gave me two supers and idol dress while no halu ever

>>33106787
>membership
...why?

>beat hardmode on the first try
Let's fucking GO

>>33107048
Hopefully, reroll isn't a valid solution and you actively sabotage yourself if you try to fill up weapons cause your holozon boxes and levelup weapon picks keep fucking going to other shit so it takes 20 levels longer than it needs to in order to get the first collab up so you can dump your stored anvils into it.

>>33107112
Once you figure out how collabs work it's not hard

>1st run post-update baited me by giving me super milk on Sana
Never been able to get that kind of synergy again

>>33106896
Yeah, I've been going one by one through them starting with gamers. It's been pretty simple so far but I'm afraid to do someone like Ame. I think the easiest strats to try it are:
1)Always pick stats, even the bad ones.
2)Only reroll if you have no non-weapon choice
3)Have max rerolls
4)Don't kill everything if you can't, running is easy.
5)Movespeed is really important towards the end.
6)Save all anvils for auto-attack damage increase.
I will say I have only done stage one so far on all of gamers and half of Gen 0.

>>33108816
Too RNG dependent imo. Between anvil rate, getting the right items soon enough, and successfully enchanting the dumb main weapon.

>Roll for Korone so i could unlock X-potato
>Got 3 dupes of Mio-sha instead before finally got Koro-san
What did the game trying to tell me?

>>33109254
You're Halu-ing.

>>33109254
hags

Is "endless" a lie and the yagoo rush is just a hard wall now? Doesn't seem like there's any way to survive it

>>33110046
Kronii, if you are super lucky.

>>33110046
Yes as far as we know.

>>33104429
>One big problem Gorilla Paw has is that your base damage % should already be quite high from other stuff. The shop alone gives you +60%. This means the +50% from GP increases your damage by less than a third, but robs you of 20% crit chance
>+60%
You need to have a whopping +450% attack bonus to make Gorilla's Paw not worth losing 20% crit (for non-Bae characters). And only becomes more valuable as the total crit bonus climbs up. And it even becomes viable for Bae with 47%+ crit (before Gorilla penalty).

The only issue is proccing the crit-related skills. Suisei's axe has 100%, however, it's still possible to drop the stacks, because the proc rate isn't 100% unlike the crit rate itself. But as long as you're above 0% crit, the odd crits from the generic weapons and collabs should take care of keeping the stacks up.
However, it would impact Stellar AoE... if it worked as advertised. There's likely a hidden cooldown on it, because otherwise the constant stream of damage would annihilate anything in close proximity to Sui-chan, which it doesn't.

>>33110329
Since it works on all your weapons so you can't anvil close to that, it's basically legit unless like you say there's crit passive mechanics like with bae

>>33110329
Show your math formula.

Korone is significantly weaker than other characters. I would say a tier weaker.

I tried everything on Korone, all possible combinations, still very weak. The only character that I struggle in stage 1 (with no atk related shop buff).
Weird though. Korone has 30% haste, which makes all weapons fire 30% faster, but in reality she is very weak.

>>33110329
what is the actual damage calculation for crit?

>>33110570
The graph is broken for <20% crit, because you can't negatively crit in this game. But because of that Gorilla's Hand is stronger at those values.

>>33110668
Korone is a really strong brawler. Are you utilizing her Retaliation mechanic?

>>33110668
You're supposed to take a hit every 20 seconds to proc the attack up bro. You can just drive through swarms like a snow plow.

How does one get to the 31st minute these days?

>>33110046
>VS has no endless mode at all
>20MTD endless is an unbalanced mess that becomes an AFK-fest after just the first 20 or so minutes
>Holocure "endless" is just less than 10 extra minutes of spamming up-sized groups with no variety until 30 minutes hits, and then the run is over if you can't megacheese
I know endless is a hard thing to get right, but man it's disappointing.

>>33109195
Still a fun way to give yourself a challenge. Endless mode is dumb to me.

>>33073723
So mumei is still meta?
This is my best gold farm run so far, haven't tried endless yet.

>>33111683
>So mumei is still meta?
She basically hasn't changed so yes.

>>33109684
How you made so little coins even with Halu?

>>33111683
If you believe in your /vt/ bros then you can edge ahead with Bae or Suisei with careful optimization

>>33073432
Hard stage broke Koyori

>>33112073
20 minutes run and maybe got it late. Also not everyone runs with maxed coins upgrade.

>>33112281
I mean, base coins. 6k for a endless looks low. Or maybe to many Mumei, Roboco runs had fried my brain and anything below ~30k looks like a waste.

>>33112171
yeah I had fun playing with them the most. crits are fun.

It's been fun bros, thread will probably die in a day or two after everyone's done with this game and so I'll be back in three months or so for the next release.

>>33110906
This was my only real attempt so far. I thought I was invincible until proven wrong. I think you can optimize the items further by taking more defensive items like Body Pillow.

Holocure is reclining...

>>33112933
Probably. We had a good run at least.
>>33113143
does knockback stuff affect them at all?

>>33113186
>does knockback stuff affect them at all?
It's hard to tell because from 30:00 until about a few seconds before this screenshot the entire screen is Yagoos. But Headphones are amazing because of the % damage negation. With Gura you can get:
Short Height: 35% to dodge a hit
Headphones: 35% negate a hit
Body Pillow: 25% damage reduction
So each attack only has a 42% chance of damaging you, and then only does 75% damage to you, which you can then heal back with Just Bandage and Shark Bite.
If membership is usable then you could stack even more DR.

>>33112483
These 2 characters are broken yeah (still love roboco tho, she's super fun to play)

>>33113912
Most characters are broken and anvil enchanted collabs just worsen it.

https://youtu.be/f2y_WLsvEE4

>>33114326
>Getting stuck in a tree
Happen to me so many times...

Imagine shilling your HoloCure yt video on a Tibetan silk weaving forum

watching koyori is pain

>>33110787
You forgot about opportunity cost. Do you know this little 6% damage upgrades? Gorilla's Paw has 3 levels, so if you take 3 damage upgrades instead, you will realise that Paw is only better than 6% damage upgrades if you have less than 200% damage. And it's worse after that. And also you are blocking your item slot. And it's only if you don't take past max anvil upgrades into consideration.
If you have 100% damage maxed Paw is like 8.5% damage upgrade per level. And it block your item slot. So, tell me. Would you pick an item that says - 8/16/24% damage. Because it is what Gorilla's Paw is. And for some heroes or if you pick a mask it's even less. 7/14/21 or even 6/12/18. I wouldn't, that's for sure.

how is the stage clear bonus calculated? is it a percentage of what you've earned, excluding halu, for that level?

>>33115078
It's much less than halu 5 endless so just do that instead

I love that halu made endless worth doing.

>>33114912
You think someone who streams always 2 times a day everyday playing video games would be good at video games

What are the best weps and items right now?

>>33116074
The "only need X amount of time to become an expert at [THING]" is a stupid myth.

she did it

>>33114912
she made it, yokatta

Fubuki is fun

I finally beat hard mode with a lucky early super energy drink. Why is Bae literally the easiest part of hard mode?

On another note, does anyone else feel like Holocure has too much clutter? Collabs like micomet or specials like Miko's makes it so hard to see what is actually happening, I've never felt this problem while playing vampire survivors

>>33116743
>too much clutter
It's been like that since the first release.
Try turning off visual effects and damage numbers.

>>33116707
GOTTA GO FAST

how large is the difference between halu 4 and 5?

>>33116743
>I've never felt this problem while playing vampire survivors
Well, some people certainly have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kSySzqFwMo

>>33116135
Any weps. Just get any 2 of a collab and stop so you focus them up. Then get the next collab going and so on until you have 4 collabs and a fifth weapon at level 7
Halu, membership, face mask, asacoco injection, gorilla fist

>>33116074
Time doesn't buy skill and experiences aren't always transferrable. Some times you just get your thinking into a rut and some things you're just not aware of. It doesn't exactly ship with a collab list and while you're learning the game you might not make the obvious logic leap to holding back on boxes and anvils

>>33116743
It does, I can't even see A-chan's attacks and was a split second from dying.

>>33116921
Negligible you should have a good main weapon or collab soon just do a better kiting loop so you can pick up xp.

>>33116707
She sure is. I survived over 4 minutes of yagoos with her. Nothing but Spd, Haste, and HP upgrades whenever they're available. Plus knockback items like Wamy Water and Idol Concert helped push the yagoos aside as I ran.

I bet if I had the Super Pillow and Super Energy Drink, I could outrun Yagoo forever.

>>33116971
It happens for the stream viewers.
I watched a VS streamer and he said that the streamer software need to be configured a certain setting to enable VS streams run smoothly.

Mumei is cheating.

>>33117272
I just want to see if I could reach Yagoo with 0 weapons, which I did. Easy enough to do, and FZ/KK and the basic attack swords still killed enemies fairly well.

>>33117411
She can reach +1000% ATK in older versions.
>>33117272
You didn't mention that you have the feather.

can a special focused build okayu survive endless by just eating all the yagoos? or can she not survive long enough for her ult to recharge?

>>33117506
No, not enough Special cooldown, and the Crit-Charm having an internal cooldown means it won't save you in between

>>33117548
damn not even with super idol costume piki piki man? well that blows.

I can't be the only retard who finds stage 2 harder than hard 1, right? the lack of space to move around fucks me hard

>>33117908
just camp around the large and open area in stage 2

>>33117652
Okayu's Special is 60 second cooldown. With Super Idol costume you can knock that down to 33 seconds. It lasts 6 seconds, so with Super idol Costume you'd have 12 seconds of it. Pikipiman increases the meter by 4%, which would be 2.4 seconds.
So, even with Super Idol Costume and everything perfectly timed so there is 0 overlap, you'd have 11 seconds of vulnerability, and would need to eat 5 hits of Pikipiman to get the gauge back up, which takes a minimum of 1 second. Surviving a full second of Yagoo's would be difficult at 30 minutes, and with their scaling you'd eventually be killed in that time frame.

>>33116707
Were you upgrading her tail with anvils?

>>33118071
Eh, my math is dumb. You'd have 21 seconds of vulnerability, not 11, and that means you'd need 9 hits of Pikipiman, so almost 2 seconds of hits minimum.

>>33118159
A few, when there was nothing else to use them on, but most of them went to leveling up items. Her tail damage is fairly worthless, and the swords they summon don't scale off weapon damage, just %ATK

>>33118204
ah fuck. g rank only boost stats too right not special cooldown reduction?
i wonder if special cooldown reduction will ever be able to be upgraded beyond the maximum set rn like some of the other stats.
probably not because then it would enable infinite MOGU MOGU MOGU

>>33115024
I don't see your math, anon.

>>33117908
Use a controll pad with dual stick and never look back.

>>33119426
0.005 x Crit chance x (Damage+(Damage x 0.01 x Damage bonus)) + (Damage+(Damage x 0.01 x Damage bonus))

any definitive okayu builds yet, got lucky with the double gold items and fatfingered glowstick instead of fan beam when setting up the 4th collab

>>33119972
Crit is nice for Okayu because it procs her Sensitive Voice, which basically an instakill, because you can eat the pink enemies. In that sense Sake works nice on her, even if you take damage, because of the synergy with food.

>>33120583
That sounds like a possible infinite path. Get to 100% crit rate with a ton of attack speed and mogu mogu.

>>33117504
Is the civ etc. bonus actually shown in there?

>>33122093
I'll try to see if mogulock is possible tonight, if you don't hear from me again tell my family I miss them

>>33117908
Go to the large areas. Prioritize the wamy blast water shotgun or cutting board. Build a collab off of that and you're set. Either lets you zone the map effectively and you can get outa pinches. Don't forget to use the shop upgrades too they're intended to be bought.

>>33122093
>>33122581
Attack rate over AOE will probably be the biggest factor since you would still need to hit everything about 5 times to make sure they get charmed before they can kill you. Stuff like Elite cooking and maybe Idol Concert might be better than most

>>33122779
*Attack rate and AOE

Another attempt at outrunning yagoo. 4 minutes and 30 seconds this time.
The problem is that he gets slightly faster everytime a new yagoo wave spawns.

I'm giving up. I got 12 haste, personal record on this patch. Still not enough. Maybe if you'll get super energy drink and glasses there is a chance, but i'm not going to grind for it. Also, it's impossible to see the fucking bubble in the sea of Yagoo. I swear it wasn't so bad previously.

>>33123735
You aren't getting exp, so Yagoo will always catch up to you.

>>33116707
Following up after this run, Doog is also fun, but maintaining Yubi's lategame with only punching is not fun

>>33124238
How high was your SPD in this run?

>>33124574
You mean haste? 175 or 180. Not even close enough. With extra 10% from super and a few more levels maybe there was a chance. But fuck rerolling early game for super, i'm not nearly autistic enough. Maybe i'll start doing 1hp runs instead, endless runs are dead.

>>33124785
Yeah, I mean Haste.

>>33124785
Isn't SPD movement speed and haste movement speed and attack speed?

>>33125058
SPD = movement speed
Haste = attack speed

holy fuck i can not stand the waves of mobs that fly up and down how the fuck do i dodge it

>>33125387
Which stage and mobs?

>>33125387
Hard mode and the latter half of stage 2? You don't. They are too quick to actually react to. Stage 1 had far better waves.

>>33125464
>>33125534
Stage 2 is easy enough to ignore, it's the hard mode fucking flying owl waves that rip my asshole a new one

>>33125714
Lifehack is to try to stay on the same level as them, and not trying to dodge. They will dodge you instead.

>>33125387
You don't
You know their path, just stand where they're going to go past rather than trying to active dodge

>>33125534
>They are too quick to actually react to
There is only a single spawn that is too fast to react too, and it's the sapling lanes that pop at 15:45 on hardmode. All of the rest of them can be dodged

>>33124238
>You aren't getting exp, so Yagoo will always catch up to you.
Yeah, it sucks. That's what makes it impossible to survive for long.

Here's my final attempt. At least we now know that surviving for more than 5 minutes is possible.

didn't have good RNG on haste but it still might not be possible, yagoos seem to have higher resistance to being charmed than the 20-30 minute waves

may or may not be visual bug but for some reason friend is in front of the bubble (1) when it's near the bottom of broken dreams (2) but at the top hes behind it
also with super knightly milk the bubble expands making it look friend is on a circular rail rotating around mumei
200% damage to all 4 collab weapons (dreams frozen sea micomet rap dog) + feathers gave me one more second of survival against the yagoos
mumei's nuke gave me a millisecond of breathing room before the sea of yagoos flooded back in
theres just no outdamaging the yagoo horde fml

>>33127354
>may or may not be visual bug but for some reason friend is in front of the bubble (1) when it's near the bottom of broken dreams (2) but at the top hes behind it
Probably because the sprites are Y-sorted

>>33127436
ohh i see. interesting

>>33127436
>2023 will come and go without an opacity slider on player weapon effects so you can actually see where enemies and enemy projectiles are
It's all so tiresome

>Suisei + 0 collabs + upgrade spam weapon + Gorilla Paw/Facemask/Energy Drink
Could it work? Could the axe alone carry a H5 run?

>>33125387
You max out the health upgrade in the shop and just take it.

>>33128301
>Gorilla Paw
Not worth because of the crit reduction

>>33128301
A run sure I don't know if you can get the kills for gold farming though and you may want to drag out going to H5 since you'll be looking for weapons. Don't be afraid of the injection asacoco if you grab nurse horns.
Are you doing 0 collabs or zero weapons period. Water blast, cutting board, and aoe weapons to do some light group softening at least would go a good way towards success.

>>33128484
If the only weapon you care about is her axe then it's a non-issue because it has built in 100% crit chance. So now with GP+Mask+ED you're getting +100% damage and +30% haste.

>>33128590
Every collab costs you an extra 2.5k gold because it forces you to pick up another weapon which will eat up 7 levels of upgrades at some point. If you could somehow make it to 30 minutes with 0 collabs you'd stand to make an extra 10k.

>Don't be afraid of the injection asacoco if you grab nurse horns.
At that point we've lost too many weapon slots. Maybe ED should be Asacoco+Horns, that'd put us at +180% damage and +10% haste. But now we're only have 2 more slots, 1 if we count H5, so we're torn between Glasses and Chatto.

Even if this actually worked it'd be the hardest run of your life and all you'd end up doing is maybe barely edging out Mumei who just AFK'd for 30 minutes.

>>33128957
Yeah why I asked if it was for gold farming or just clearing the stage with halu 5. Not having chatto and shit bricking your items changes things a lot.

>>33128301
Probably not. Weapon scaling is still too poor in the game to carry you through anything but a basic 30M hard mode run. Adding Halu to the mix, Suisei will get overwhelmed by 25 minutes, if not sooner, because she lacks defensives, and her weapon won't scale enough to take enemies down quickly

This is my furthest endless run. With Short Height there's basically only a tiny window where you take damage and then you fully heal easily.
It's hard to tell what happens when you die, I'm guessing you just fail enough dodge checks and its game over. I had over 400 HP too. How much damage does Yagoo even do at 35 minutes?

Is Hard mode balanced around having a bunch of upgrades? Trying to do it with Korosan but it gets crazy 10 minutes in. I'm not sure what items are ideal for her, but I've just been winging it.

>>33130396
max out main and get one collab done asap

>>33130396
No characters really have "ideal" items.

>>33130396
>Is Hard mode balanced around having a bunch of upgrades?
https://www.reddit.com/r/holocure/comments/xa7rr1/the_game_feels_a_bit_harder/io15x6a/?context=3
from kay himself
>My play testers and I play tested Stage 2 using 2 levels of ATK and SPD from the shop and special attack unlock, nothing else. That was the absolute minimum the stage expects. We did this on every character. We figured this is do-able with those bare minimum, most people SURELY has at least 2 levels in just those 2 stats by now, so it shouldn't be bad.
>G.Rank is never part of the equation for any stage, it is entirely bonus stats that no stage expects you to have.
>S1H was playtested with 5 ATK and 5 SPD as the average expected level, but some characters can go less (ex. Fubuki doesn't need 5 SPD)
you should have at least 5 ATK and SPD to tackle S1H

Well this farm run just died in disgrace for no other reason than I faceplanted into enemies. My damage output was still amazing even with just 2 upgraded collabs and an upgraded weapon. Axe was critting for 500 lmao

>>33127807
maybe if someone gets a good clip of fighting Bae using dragon fire, bl fujoshi and idol concert with super milk he'll understand