/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

A reminder that using "livers" to refer to vtubers is absolutely retarded.

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>41,806: Subaru (Hololive)
>32,344: Pekora (Hololive)
>32,232: Gura (Hololive)
>30,070: Korone (Hololive)
>29,828: Lily Linglan (The Box)
>28,990: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>26,625: Miko (Hololive)
>19,759: Okayu (Hololive)
>19,095: Salome (Nijisanji)
>17,831: Polka (Hololive)
>17,481: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>17,257: Salome (Nijisanji)
>15,342: Lamy (Hololive)
>14,903: Met (774 Inc.)
>14,577: Luna (Hololive)
>14,349: Watame (Hololive)
>14,079: Kanata (Hololive)
>14,069: GatchmanV (indie)
>12,212: Nene (Hololive)
>11,995: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,939: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,145: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,861: Bae (Hololive)
>10,720: Chloe (Hololive)
>10,278: Luca (Nijisanji)
>10,033: Haachama (Hololive)

>>33006115
>>33006161
Egyptian-themed chuubas doko?

>>33006115
/news/ roundup for 11-09-2022
>>32967126
Recent clip numbers
>>32954183
>>32954212
>>32954740
>>32954772

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ErPSM50iA
You guys said Mea break up with Roberu for bilibili contract.
They are still flirting now..

>>33006280
When desert areas gets added to HoloEarth

>>33006280

>>33006280
that's not poc

Looking at this make me realize Vtuber actually can compete with flesh streamers in Japan now
Like Pekora Rust number is just right below Jun himself

>>33006224
So par for the course for nijis then

on Ame's bubba radio

>>33006411
>RoberuNightMea
>NightMea
>Nightmare
>Yukoku means evening/night
Woah...

>>33006465
>sutopuri in 2nd place
I’m surprised they’re still going strong when their group’s leaderwent into hiding after that cheating and abuse scandal months ago

>>33006465
Pekojun teetee

>>33006411
Take a good look at how close these two are on roberu’s screen, anon. At this rate, they’ll end up marrying one another for their 10th collab

>>33006465
Jun has always been on top of pekor

>>33006465
>Twitch numbers
Pekora is much higher

>>33006685
i think roberu can do better desu

>>33006734
He CAN, but that doesn’t mean that he WILL

>>33006605
Just means the rest of the boys are fairly popular in their own right. They probably absorbed Nanamori's fanbase too.

>>33006465
I was about to say something, but then you added "In Japan", in which case, yeah you right ...

Then again, HoloEN on par with mainstream Twitch streamers might not be a good thing ...

>>33006638
>>33006694
/hlg/ used to have a whole list of things in common between Pekora and Jun
They also the first to point out that all of Pekora pet names can be related to Jun

Reminder that today is 21 YEARS SINCE THE GOOD OLD DAYS!

Indochads?

how does scarle and aia get so much donos?

>>33006805
Even the monkey?

>>33006859
I’M FUCKING INVINCIBLE

>>33006893
Yes
I forgot the post but basically "Jill-kun" are some kind of joke Jun made before

>>33006871
she had issues for an hour or so before she started, internet went kaput now

>>33006871
She lost the Gura buff. She is back down to 3-3.5k ccv average.

https://youtu.be/oTj-Mp74hCw
https://youtu.be/oTj-Mp74hCw
I've seen Gura singing voice overs on random Anime and game characters a lot lately.

>>33006734
t. Bae

>>33006887
idk about scarle but Aia spends a lot of time chatting with her viewers after games, reads every superchat (besides ones for collabs) right away, has weekly zatsus etc so there’s a lot of attachment and loyal followers already. People like to bully her (playfully), send cheesy/sappy messages to make her flustered or tear up on stream or sending tskr messages whenever she switches voices and plays around.

>>33007075
Hol up, this ain't the Veggie loli

>>33006980
It seems a lot of Holos are having issues with OBS lately.

Irys just doesn't stop bleeding....

This is worst than superchat readings....

>>33007239
Don't be disingenuous, it's a mega debuff game. Show me any holo who did better with this game than Mori.

>>33007304
lower than homos nowadays

>>33007224
she's done playing, gameplay has been over for 5 minutes now

>>33007224
IRyS is already done w/ her games today, anon

>>33007215
Yea, some update on YT or OBS mustve fucked up something, since Ive been hearing about issues in the last week.

>>33007369
>>33007439
Maybe not. After a while, she is thinking about playing one last game for some more coins after that gacha roll

First Army dominating, even when numbers are low

What a lie kek
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1568409904985305089

>>33007548
gotta love fake ending screens and fakeout 'last games'

>>33007584
Fuck off faggot.
Don't bother, guys.

>>33006871
>that ugly art
ew, don't they get better art?

that's kinda sad

>>33007584
GPTchama...

Nijinogs are on the move again.

>>33007584
gura...

>>33006887
Saviorfags and groomers anon

https://twitter.com/WACTOR_maidchan/status/1569186682884476930

>Nijisanji rarely wins, but they do it with high numbers.
>Hololive may have many wins, but their numbers are usually low when they do it.
something something Quality vs. Quantity something?

>>33006887
Saviorfagging is a thing.

>>33007753
Stop with the cumscare

>>33007753
Who care about wactor, anyway ?

>>33007753
tempus killers

Will Mori pass 2K before the 2hours mark ?

Current top 3 with Mio on top, followed by Miko and then Irys. Met Z'd from 11k to 14k. Miko can still climb higher. Irys is still streaming but she won't take a new peak.
All three of them can be knocked out on JP primetime.

>>33007753
another company falls for the meme?

hololive will grow larger

Apparently you can't make bait thread about Mori's numbers

>>33007958
Today's gold is Mori's anyway, she has her 2nd anniversary stream

>>33007928
she will catch all the funnels at some point

>>33007662
Anon, that's just the content-ID being retarded again.
Yes, ithe AI's that stupid.

mooms just went on a mini depression arc on stream. Whats up with all the girls being depressed recently?

>>33008041
>Crying he can’t make a bait thread
A) I don’t believe you
B) Stop crying

>>33007623
Seethe unitycucks

>>33008049
Given her birthday stream, can she hit at least 50k?

>33007762
Selen poster is evolving

>>33008041
good all bait threads should be deleted

>>33007983
>people bash Ame for not doing anything
>she shuts the haters up by doing creative streams and opening up new markets
Pretty innovative of Ame to use a translator on stream and pry open that Korean market where she is massively popular.

>>33008092
new western mentality pandering direction from management with forced male collabs, ecelebs and react content
most of the girls don't want that, that is also the REAL reason Sana graduated

>>33007865
spaniards who can't understand basic english maybe? I know they have some vtubers that know the language

t. a friend of mine who only watches spanish vtubers or holo spanish subbed clips

>>33008111
You know it’s not a 3D why the fuck are you like this.

>>33008092
Isn't she going back to school?

>>33008194
The voices aren’t a source

>12) indie gold (tenkai mahjong)
>13) holo gold
>14) holo gold
>15) holo gold
>16) niji gold (kuzuha cup)
>17) niji gold (kuzuha cup)

>>33008092
mooms back to uni soon. what I don't get is, these girls make bank but is still doing uni

>>33006734
He can.....Bae bring him home...polka ain't gonna do it....

>>33008049
Is it a 3D live? It has to be, so she can get big numbers.

>>33008256
i think that was one of the factors
some of the points she made were
>scammed by landlord, her new place isn't actually soundproof
>no friends at school
>bad news today that she said she already knew was coming soon

Ame recommends watching the anniversary on your phone, do you think that will affect the viewership?

>>33007129
THATS MY SON

>>33008333
she's smarter than Bae
uni is her plan B in case of graduation

>>33008359
>Mori you do a 3D live for your anniversary
>Everyone else IDK suffer
Are you retarded? If she didn’t have the UMG deal and Suisei songs she probably wouldn’t have had 3D for her birthday

>>33008380
aren't phones better for counting purposes? at least if any part of the adblocker theory is legit

>>33008459
Bae dropped out?

>>33006465
>Jun started playing rust
lmao Valorant number must have been shit huh jun?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/japan-waive-tourist-visa-requirements-border-easing-2932466
Good news

>>33008333
Anon, streaming is still a relatively new field. None of these girls knows if they can still do it in the next 5, or 10 years. What is she going to do after her streaming career is over without a Bachelor degree (or higher)? Unless they are extremely sure that they will be multi-millionaire (think 5-10M$ or so after 5 years) Uni is a good choice to provide some sort of fallback in case shits happen.

>>33008522
not so sure, I forgot if it was true or a rrat

>>33008483
You are retarded.
I am not talking about your schizophrenic assumptions.
I am talking about pure numbers. Do you really think she can get a global gold without a 3D live?
So everybody should stop talking about Mori getting a global gold when she cannot offer a live.

>>33008380
Phone is better for CCV counting
>Can't watch on multi-tab
>Most likely no ad-blocker
>Less chance someone will watch it on an embedded player too

>>33008759
Misunderstanding I thought you were saying she was having a 3D. 99% chance it’s nijiniggers shitposting so they can OHNONONO MORI DIDN’T GET 50K AT 7PM JST HOLOEN RECLINING NIJIEN INCLINING.

>>33008781
embedded player fucks CCV?

>>33008730
Pretty sure it's untrue. Her Asian parents would have skinned her alive if she did

so is it safe to say the holocure buff is pretty much gone for EN

>>33008633
TIME TO BOOK A FLIGHT TO JAPAN AND MARRY A LONELY CHILDLESS HAG
I’LL MAKE YOU PROUD, ABE

>>33008855
NTA, but it doesn't affect VOD VIews count. Don't know about CCV, though, since the live count is affected by so many dumb filters by Susan's algorithms

>>33008901
IDK. IRyS got 12k+ with it earlier, so the buff should still be there.
Mumei didn't get high number, but that's mainly because she overlapped with IRyS most of the time. You can see the moment IRyS faked her ending, Mumei's number jumped up. I assume they have significant overlap between their audience.

>>33008588
I mean everyone know that much from King number

>>33008901
What's buff for EN nowadays?

>>33008314
>16) niji gold (kuzuha cup)
>17) niji gold (kuzuha cup)
kek, You wish.

>>33009106
Gay asmr

>>32862523

>>33009111
? No contest since the host would be on Niji main ch

>>33009106
Collab with Tempus, make a new EN-Tempus Minecraft/Rust server for more buff

>>33009111
We don't know if Hololive have anything to compete on those day yet. But we only have 4 days left so Hololive only chance is Pekora actually going out of her way to cuck King

Will nippleboy join that pubg tournament? His rm is a pubg pro right ?

>>33009042
mumei just doesn't get big numbers when overlapped
the overlap in today is particularly bad with mori/ame/irys
this is around her gaming floor(6-7k ish) which is normal for her with this amount of overlap

i just woke up why tf does debufffson have more viewers than mumei and irys?

>>33009209
>Mori
Nigga she’s playing Live a Live part 6 where she can’t stream the ending

>>33009245
>Fall for the debuffson meme

>>33009202
ID 1 3D debut, but it would get like 20k anyway

>>33009170
Normies and tourist don't go out of their way to watch PUBG retard, this is not koshien

>>33006795
Gura is on top oast twitch leaders currently. Someone like valk, Ludwig, Sykkuno etc is below her.

>>33009350
Bro it's Nijitourist
They WILL watch the events

>>33009329
Bet your balls on it coward

>>33009245
IRyS faked her ending while Moom just got killed because of overlap. Ame is playing Rust

>>33009397
I mean 20k+ put Gura above most people, only after XQC or Asmond on a good day
So it's pretty much the same in both side, go blue women go

>>33009432
they don't even watch Splatoon and nips LOVE Splatoon

>>33009350
kuzuha's fps tourists do
no, it won't be 200k range but they're at least in the 80-100k range for big events

>>33009350
Wrong holokek, this is literally niji vsaikyou hosted by the REAL EMPEROR
So we get at least 100k ccv

>>33009245
uuuhhhhhhh

>>33009329
I think they clear up the timeslot for 3D debuts? It's abit past primetime (2200 JST) but if they get a clear timeslot and promotion from the JP side they should be able to pull large numbers.

>>33009520
Delusional.
Even King NijiPEX eventt only drew 50k

>>33007983
>lsf
Pretty old news, but its a good thing they hear something new other than the twitch stereotypes

>>33009170
It's still going to be overlapped by other POVs, anon. This isnt Koshien. This is PUBG we're talking about.

I notice that posts against HoloEN have come to a level that's borderline psychotic. What happened?

>>33009796
NijiEN tribalfags going all out war, it seems

>>33009796
>NijiEN hasn't won any gold
>Luca Minecraft yabe still going on
>Enna still doesnt have her own album
You choose

>>33009796
NijiEN STILL doesn't have a cunny to pacify the horniness and aggression levels.

>>33009904
>>Luca Minecraft yabe still going on
Still?
Has he apologized or anything?

>>33009796
Rent free, simple as

>>33009904
I thought the nijiposters told us that the Minecraft thing was already resolved? Is something new going on? I even watched that elira stream and she said the world was okay

2k DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>33009796
Some are tribalists, some are bait, some are genuinely disappointed with them.

>>33010024
He already did in his zatsudan stream
He didn't do a naked dogeza though

>>33009657
Why would they? ID overlap JP 3D all the time

>>33009904
>>33010024
>Luca Minecraft yabe still going on
rent free on their on fanbase? lol
that history now, the guy actually showed some remorse, everyone is sad about it of course but he was scolded because he kept apologizing after everything was said because they actually want to move one

https://youtu.be/ef-qXbsvsW0

>>33010110
>off handed apology
>while laughing about it the entire stream

>>33010190
only because JP started it by overlapping EN and ID and being disrespectful, no point playing nice if they're going to be like that even after getting the bulk of support from management.

THE HOLOBOX IS EVIL

>>33010302
You said that but this never affect anyone viewership

>>33010383
Fuck my image

>>33010229
>>33010266
Who fucking care sisters, it's a Baby sever. I wear this shit seems like it's created to milk more drama.

>>33010229
kys Lucuck, this is not his first fuck ups. Stop babying him

>>33010415
It's called respect

I swear, it's like sister holds Luxiem to a different standards then the rest of NijiEN.
Fucking hypocrites.

>>33008172
Some koreans are starved for good vtuber content. They already have Isegye, but that's only one group.

>>33010579
>Pekora overlapped Suisei 3D concert back in April
So much for for "respect".

https://youtu.be/vpsqPb0_GrE?t=2h27m17s
Kenmochi-san

One funnel left

>>33009397
>>33009513
Yeah but like ... Gura doesn't stream a lot nowadays
And as much as people like it, EN is not 30+ Gura (Yes, I'm counting everyone regardless of affiliation )

>>33010619
When it comes to technology, Isegye is nothing compared ot Hololive. Isegye models look shitty as hell.

https://twitter.com/KamishiroTaishi/status/1569172473010356225
https://shueisha.online/culture/52899
because of a new tax law that passed in Japan, you can then dox vtubers starting October next year.

>>33010763
>mumei and ame end
>mori barely goes up
where the fuck did the teamates and hoomans go?

>>33010522
good numbers

>>33010793
Yeah, no shot. It's fucking VRchat avatars fffs

>>33010815
Does this also apply to hentai artists?

>>33008041
Bait threads about Mori or Ame numbers tend to get deleted. I've eaten a ban for just posting a vrabi screenshot before.
However it's okay to shit on Council/ILUNA/Tempus/Nijis in general and mods will let the thread stay up until archive just because.

>>33010815
We already talked about this slowchamma, it doesn't affect corpo chuubas and the government uses flip disks so good luck

>>33010843
Not watching mori

>>33010229
is it history now? the server has no world seed now and if they don't find a solution they'll have to scrap everything and move over to a new server

source: https://youtu.be/TSpLcqPh1jw?t=7172

"I think maybe things have spread a little further than we thought they did?"

"Selen said that . . . she looked it up and the world doesn't have a world seed anymore"

Just noticed vrabi has a new "surge filter"
Seems too aggressive though

>>33010873
>Apparently, the companies that you're contracted to (publisher for mangaka, agency for VTuber, etc) could be assigning codes for their payment to you, and that's how it ties to your pen name. And if you register your home as your "work address", gg
yes.

>>33010843
No one except hardcore deadbeats want to watch part XX of a fucking Live A Live stream anon, don't be stupid.

>>33010465
Believe what you want, even seethe if that's your cue.

>>33010499
Now you know I don't even watch the guy, I only watch and care about Pomu.

>>33010843
She gained like 600, a third of her Live a Live CCV. The rest probably went to bed it’s nearly 2am.

>>33010266
I don't watch that stream, I just know he apologized when his viewer dropped to 5k
I just find it funny that some lucucks really tried doing damage control in /#/

>>33010898
Good thing kson is corpo again..

>>33010912
It's a filter tho, so technically Fuwa didn't win the 4th and we can put a stop to the CYOA.

>>33010843
>FUCKING LIVE A LIVE
Yea no, I ain't watchin' that shit.

>>33010958
It's called lucub

>>33010843
Why would I watch fucking Mori AND Live a Live?

>>33010190
ID overlap = good numbers
it's a sign of a big events

>>33010964
i dunno if it was dumb luck or she actually knew about this that's why she joined vshojo. same case with Nazuna too.

>>33011013
Fuck off lucuck.

>>33010082
I kinda am genuinely disappointed in Myth in particular while Council itself is an utter failure. They seem unstoppable on their debut and for months they are indeed unstoppable. This year? Now? They are all but a shadow of their former self, even Gura which by far still holding on her proverbial mythical power, can be seen as fading away albeit very slowly. Mori for all her vice, was doing what she can mustered for her stream while her music is in a visible recline. Ame is doing all those streams like she is in a retirement home, while Ina is carefully maintaining her remaining cult. And finally Kiara, while not given up on her career entirely, has lost any meaningful form of innovation for her growth and is dwelling in her own self pity which is not entirely her own fault.

All these, are probably the result of one form of burn out or another.
Council is a failure not because they performed worse than Myth, but because they failed to relieve some of the burden of Myth. They failed to divert some audiences' attention from Myth so that they can have some break to recharge. In fact, Council deemed themselves equal to Myth, hence deserved the long break they took as much as Myth deserved, while not even 1 year in service at the time.

The end result is that people don't even see Council as meaningful substitute for Myth. None of them hit 1m sub even after 1 year. Council with a failed duty eventually doomed their own realm. I don't see holoEN surviving with the recent debacles of them between their fans. Not even a debut of EN3 is guarantee to revitalize this foreign branch.

Seems like all of the Niji girls with the exception of Iluna are inclining, likely a result of Hololive fans getting disillusioned by their girls and realizing NijiEN exists

>>33010815
>gov dox
>japan
Rur

>>33010902
It got brought up yesterday.

The fix isn't HARD, just bothersome. Just copy all existing chunks into a new server with a proper seed and the issue is fixed. (Assuming of course, adequate backups are made ahead of time in case something breaks)

>>33010912
Lmao he's literally making new filters just to combat kon kon kitsune. Honestly I think this graph is unsalvageable without knowing more about how these weird Zs work, you're going to filter out a lot of legitimate peaks if you keep aggressively trying to fix this one. Maybe after we see a few more mini kon kons and he can filter out the pattern.

>>33011065
Why the fuck do you keep copypasting this shit.

>>33011065
yea yea meds, nice bait blog

>>33011065
Mucho texto, ten un (tú)

>>33011086
HoloID on the other hand...

Enna is a 6k streamer now. Mori is a 5k streamer now
How fucking far HoloEN have fallen

>>33011134
>search result
>"0"

>>33011065
Holy ESL

>>33011069
even Iluna is inclining for their standards
scarle and aia both hit 1K today

>>33010912
the surge also filter subaru z just like n filter
ok, fuwa gold is revoked now

>>33011065
>EN3
5 Koyoris
Believe it!

>>33010912
won't something that filters this aggressively also flatten out things like outfit reveal peaks?

>>33011190
This is an Omen. Chink in foreign country is getting stronger while American who refused to learn the local culture and language while staying in a foreign country is declining.

>>33006060
>it just happened that Myth+Council are both his favourites and also the most popular

Try again
https://old.reddit.com/r/holocure/comments/vrl3gm/loose_thoughts_and_feedback/iewsr6s/
> My favorite hologirls are all in JP, in fact (Pekora and Polka, which won't be coming ANYTIME SOON /crying) I don't really watch holoEN much, actually... I really hope the EN girls don't read this :x

>>33011221
>5 leeches
it would be DOA faster than Iluna did

>>33011204
It's the same talking points with a few words changed. It's been posted multiple times to /#/, and while some of it is valid, it's also exaggerated and overwrought.

>>33011065
meds

>>33011254
outfit reveals don't go from +2000 to -4000 in the span of 30 seconds

>>33011214
An incline is not getting 2k one day then 4k the next day. It's getting consistent 4k on the same content you used to only get 2k for

>>33011271
Really? I don't see any of the point posted here.

>>33010902
what I meant is that they don't want more drama about it and don't want the guy to keep apologizing about the chunks lost by the downgrade because nobody can brought them back anymore without rebuilding

if they did one right now what would it get?

>>33011266
None of the ENs are entertaining enough to watch. I will categorically say this: no EN vtuber is interesting, none whatsoever, regardless of indie or corpo.

>>33011310
It gets posted often fucking enough. Not in this thread today, but in /#/ for sure.
It's so fucking doomy, they can doompost when EN3 drops and everyone's still mediocre numberswise, THAT'S when even I'll join in on the doomposting.

>>33011284
newfag-chama...

>all the homobegging and they wont even watch Mori

>>33011190
and irys is a 12k streamer

>>33011402

Enough posting about not numbers. Here's a numbers post: what are we expecting for Myth's anniversary stream? They'll at least beat Council's right?

>>33011397
That's not 30 seconds anon, the filter will only attack stupid looking Zs

>>33011424
One buff stream while Enna doesn't need HoloCure and Rust to incline.

>>33011402
nobody wants to watch fucking live a live anon, it doesn't even have nostalgia buffs like earthbound or tumblr clout like omori

>>33011460
You can't see 30 seconds increment on the graph retard

>>33011455
There's literally zero hype for this anniversary and the girls have shown zero interest in it too. If JP overlaps, I honestly doubt this shit will break off collab ccv

>>33011455
I hope Myth's anniversary will at least beat Sankisei's boring trivia collab. If they can't even beat that shit then there is no hope anymore.

>>33011455
32k max

>>33011190
Enna is becoming the Gura killer she has been prophesized to be

>>33011069
The same thing can be said to niji gay, they are recline hard after tempus debut kek

>>33011254
>>33011397
surge filter didn't cut noel's numbers

>>33011402
At least after today I won’t have to read all this shitposting about Live a Live

>>33011455
more than council but not much more. Probably around the big smol collab on moom's channel

Did Selen recline? She got a ton of 5k+ streams last month but she's back down to sub 4k after her break

>>33011502
There is no unity in Myth. I wonder when was the breaking point, or is there even unity in them to begin with?

>>33011065
In the same way that Gura forcibly inclined everyone in EN, Mori, Kiara, and to an extent Ame have forcibly declined them.
Even a group of 4 boring Inas and 1 Gura would still have great numbers

>>33011536
Yes, because it doesn't fit the Z characteristic

>>33011536
what about that splatoon collab from the other day

>>33011324
I agree with the idea that the talents have been properly apologized to, just saying that the effects are not just 'history' if they have a substantial effect on what's going on moving forward, especially if management doesn't give the proper support to make the fix clean. of course I have a different take if it's Finana put in charge of it versus Elira / Selen

>>33011475
she need male collab to incline tho kek

>>33011220
>>33011254
Still seeing the occasional weird ass Z slip through the surge filter

>>33011522
Not really. Fulgur is having his best month yet, same with Yugo

>>33011455
How much did council got ? 30k ?

>>33011221
The problem with that is they likely made hiring decisions with male collabs, no gfe, etc. in mind. so will get more of what people don't what.

>>33011502
Will definitely not beat the Gura/Ame off collab karaoke but could beat some of the shittier offcollab streams

>>33011560
Watch streams, they're just as close as many JP gens and their anniversary stream last year BTFO anything gen 5 have ever done together

>>33011455
Normally I'd say "Sure, EZ", but between how..anemic Myth's numbers have been and the fact that it's at a TERRIBLE fucking time because of Kiara, I'm going to put on my doomer hat and say it peaks at 40k.

>>33011616
Noctyx did better than they expected.

>>33011558
nijien recline hard after iluna debut anon.
even luxiem with coombait struggling to reach 10k nowadays

>>33011560
when council debuted, gura found out that mumei , fauna and kronii existed. She than realised that her friends in myth were shit and moved on to snot.

>>33011324
>lucucks don't want their oshi to be held responsible for his fuck up
Yeah no shit.
They even defended his illegal use of Towa-sama custom made BGM

What happened to the fags bragging about Anykara bringing NijiEN to NijiFes in Japan? When HoloID1 revealed that they would be in Japan for 3D showcases, these fags just stop baiting anymore.

>>33011626
>unicuck crying again about how people don't want male-female collabs
>no evidence it harms numbers at all

>>33011475
cope! lmao

>>33011624
36k.

>>33011455
I don't even know when it is happening, I feel like they haven't advertised it very well

>>33011624
36k

if gura had a single gen mate that she liked, she would stream more than once a month

Summer Festival's first new update holocure stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYFI2IoASbM&feature=emb_title
surprised it took her this long to finally stream it

>Rust is a debuff
>Holocure is a debuff
So what the fuck is a buff in EN then?

>>33011624
36k for the council anniversary
For another data point, the Councilrys stream with Sana had 41.3k.

>>33011726
Minecraft, new games that aren't jRPGs.

>>33011679
As you can see anon, one retarded rrat went down the drain

>>33011726
EN itself is a debuff at this point.

>>33011726
Male collab

>>33011662
>mumei
>good friend
yeah shes always been loyal and faithful to her friends hasnt she ;)

>>33011726
Minecraft, WoW, Tempus collabs

>>33011717
Fuck the new design make her entire different than the usual Matsuri design.

>>33011717
Google TL: "The woman whose data disappeared and the latest update"
Might've been grinding off-stream a bit

>>33011713
yea both council and myth anniversaries have been very badly advertised.

>>33011743
To be fair the Council Anni stream was fucking anemic content wise since everything got revealed in the Councilrys stream.

>>33011726
Graduation

>>33011717
who the fuck is this??
an indie?
couldve invested in a model that looks like its from this decade

>>33011726
1. Being a Gura
2. Minecraft
3. Unironically male-female collab, but it will lower their floors instead

>>33011770
If anything she's too loyal from what we know so yeah.

>>33011726
>>33011726
1. React stream (no joke, zoomerflakes like this shit)
2. Open VC for anything
3. Handcam
4. Review of other EN members
5. Tierlist
6. Reddit meme review

>>33011770
he's doesn't know kek

>>33011707
>>33011714
Seem passable unless the VR stuff shit the bed

>>33011777
When did she get that new model?

>>33011822
So Reimu will be a buff?

>>33011893
Her Re:start 3d Live.

>>33011853
so basically NijiEN?

>>33011893
Her last live. It looks utter shit in live2d but ok in 3D. Sort of like a cheap Kizuna Ai knock-off.

>>33011911
That is the joke yes.

>>33011893
Her 3D anniversary back in June

>>33011849
newfag, reps

>>33011853
Ah yes, the NijiEN special. Why would you copy an inferior branch that still couldn't beat HoloEN even after doing all in your list?

>>33007136
Has she ever started doing the SJW shit she said she'd do at debut?
The whole "philosophy discussion streams" and what not?

In all seriousness, why do some people here still deny that NijiEN doesn't have a box? The rise of Fulgur and Yugo recently proves that the do have a box.

>>33011952
This is with reps, you might be confusing her with someone else.

>>33011911
twitch meta = EN buff so yes

>>33011893
2010 is my guess from looking at it

>>33011726
I don't even think Minecraft is buff anymore for them

>>33011678
>(You) didn't read

I meant "they" as everyone involved with the minecraft server, not the viewers

>>33011968
People here are just coping because Holo can't be competitive against Niji anymore

>>33011968
They have "A bunch of fujos who move from liver to liver".
That's not a fucking box, that's a horde of locusts.

>>33011968
I think people just don't count fujos as "box".

>>33011536
That's how fucking outfit reveal streams work dumbass. Peaks on the reveal then all the tourists slowly leave.

>>33011960
Don't think so. looks like Paul Li saw her number and put a stop to that.
She even rarely does queerbaiting since her debut

>>33012000
cope

>>33011692
kek.

>>33012066
Stay mad.

Paul Li is a stack of shit recently. She can't even provide backups for the fucking Minecraft server. And now she just let Iluna deteriorate into irrelevancy.

>>33012034
You can’t even win cripple gold regularly with Gura going Aqua and 3/10 EN debuffing themselves as hard as possible

>>33012032
NTA but dyrbi?
It would clash with the "family" image they've been selling to nijiEN fanbase so far if they showed any sign of internal conflict.

have people realized already that we're in the summer end downturn
just wait a bit, numbers will get better in a couple months

>>33011968
>Rise of Fulgur
Only due to raids that he can't even retain, that stream where he was raided for 3 fucking times and yet always keeps going back to his initial number already proven this
>Yugo
Nigga getting big numbers due to big collabs means jackshit, she's still the runt among "males".

>>33012131
Kek, NijiEN has won most of September gold dumbass

>>33012141
I mean, fungus average was helped by his "goodbye streams" and return stream.
He is still the runt of Noctyx

>>33012184
Anon...

>>33012029
The biggest EN gaming stream last month was Gura's Minecraft with Kaela, 28k. That's before everyone debuff themselves into Rust

>>33010964
>>33011060
I thought she said vshojo isn't a corpo

>>33011563
I don't know. Every single one of the Myth are based at the start, even Kiara.

>>33012184

>>33012184
NijiEN has been podium swept more often than they've gotten a gold for these first 11 days

>>33011266
I wonder why he started with EN if he likes JP more. I suppose he thought there'd be more eyes on the game initially with them.

>>33012184
Posting blatant lies for (you)s.
Please do better.
Please. At least be creative in some way, this is just sad.

>>33011455
It's a shitty gimmick stream so I don't think it will beat Council. Also there is no promotion.

Have it ever cross your mind that EN is losing number because more and more people has done their reps and move on to JP?

>>33012184
Reimu's dog died.
At least this is a fact kek

>>33012266
From what I remember its because of the artists he's working with.

Axel has gained 150 and received over 200 gifted memberships in one stream. His entire chat is green.

>>33012266
There would be. Myth has more international recognition, even if their CCV is meh relative to the JP branch. Now that everyone knows the exists he can focus on getting updates for the other gens out.

>>33012251
yeah and they had good numbers back then
whats your point?

>>33012330
>more people has done their reps and move on to JP?
DYRBI?

>>33011065
Fungus stop it. Get some help..

>>33012063
I was showing the surge filter you dumbnigger
>>33011254 ask if it'll cut outfit stream, and it didn't

>>33012338
What? No not the Dawg NOOO

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the real problem with vtubing in 2022 is youtube? I still haven't heard a plausible explanation for the Zs. Is it bots? viewer validation? People tabbing in and out? Or did Susan fuck the pooch again like they did with CCVID 6 months ago? Maybe the real reason every EN vtuber seems to be reclining is because Susan can't fucking count.

>>33012330
>EN V JP
I refuse to believe nijiniggers are this mad about Ren getting beaten by Live a Live

>>33012373
My point is that they could've stopped the decline from happening.

>>33012266
EN is more popular than JP, end of story.

>>33010843
>Live a live
>1pm SEA
>3pm JP
>2AM est
Literally no one in their right mind will watch this shit except hardcore deadbeats. This is like the equivalent of Fubuki streaming ff14 at 3AM

>>33012378
i did that, i'm still not there but i get like 60% of what's said

>>33011968
I have a pretty hot take. I don't think NijiEN has a box, but I don't think HoloEN has a box either. There's a Luxiem box and there's a Gura box.

>>33012330
Anon you are dumb if you think a lot of people will study Japanese to watch a chuuba

>>33012415
This, you fucks never learn, it's just Susan amping up the cull on EN again like she has over the past 2 years.

>>33012454
Cmon anon, we all know most cumbuds only watch Gura

>>33012266
Myth and Council theme unironically made it easy to build an interesting and thematic skills weapon.
They're all distinct from each other with strong association to mythical stuff.

>>33012378
NTA but I have
but I went from watching Gura and Mori to Gura and JPs and it was because of brap taste swamp sandler lean
if her content stayed the same id still watch her
so JP reps wouldnt affect EN viewership with me as a sample size of 1

I'm willing to say that the Worms collab will beat Myth's anniversary.

>>33012535
How many times in how many threads have you tried this former deadbeat thing?

>>33012430
i knew you were an ESL but apparently youre also retarded

SEPTEMBER 2021
1) Lamy (Hololive) - 32.6k - Totsu
2) Lamy (Hololive) - 72.6k - Costume reveal
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 46.4k - 3rd anniversary totsu
4) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 43k - Nijisanji show down
5) Aqua (Hololive) - 65k - 3Dlive
6) Marine (Hololive) - 42.6k - MarineKanata collab
7) Sora (Hololive) - 46.4k - 3Dlive
8) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 82k - 3D debut
9) Roboco (Hololive) - 27.7k - devour collab
10) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) 42.6k - Rainbowsix siege tourney
11) Nene (Hololive) 52.9k - Costume reveal
12) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) 68.5k - Pokemon unite tourney pov

SEPTEMBER 2021
>Hololive: 8
>Nijisanji: 4

SEPTEMBER 2022
>Hololive: 10
>Nijisanji: 1

How do we save Nijisanji?

>>33012430
what decline?

>>33012430
Peak Myth was also peak Covid + lockdown buff + first to market buff. They were never keeping those highs forever.

>>33012434
>equivalent of Fubuki streaming FF14 at 3AM
Yeah, about that...

>>33012266
Strong theme is necessary when you're trying to make a player character and HoloEN has that thanks Omega

Axel from being having the lowest member to almost getting all green in his stream

>>33012652
>Peak Myth was also peak Covid
Peak lockdown was during council debut.

>>33012134
>It would clash with the "family" image they've been selling
maybe but I believe that they don't want to see their individual viewers fight each other about it

and ngl, all this "family image" is looking more like they're being brainwashed than making it their brand, imo

>>33012576
not sure what you meant by this but I started posting like 10 minutes ago?

>>33012663
the fact that there's an actual example of this is hilarious

>>33012663
That doesn't help your argument anon.
FFXIV buff is thousand time stronger than Live A Live's.

>>33012587
Seems like Nijisanji have conditioned their audiences to tune in for events but not their talents. Kuzuha has reclined hard since last year

>>33012587
Graduation Among Us

Anyone up for a ride?

>>33012652
Man I hate that they got so burnt out...imagine if they were still trying

>>33012740
Aight let's go.

>>33012740
>DAN DAN CHIKAKU NARU

>>33012698
Sure

>>33012330
Doubt it. Two years is an eternity on the Internet, and people move on to other things over time, which is what I except happen to the initial huge Myth audience. JP fans seem to be less likely to do this though. Probably some sort of cultural difference judging by the many long running series they have over there in other media.

>>33012740
I'm ready Mumei

>>33012652
They are not keeping the numbers because they are riding the wave instead of creating the wave. Vtubers took over Japan not only because they are more susceptible to this kind of entertainment but also due to the hard work of all Japanese vtubers. Being entertaining is not easy and the JPs are trying to be as entertaining as possible, result in the overall incline, while ENs are just punching in and out of their streams with very little passion left.

>>33012680
Not in the US or most of the west which is the main EN market. Maybe in Japan? I haven't been following the shitshow there.

>>33012731
I'm not the one who brought up FF14 and called it equivalent.

If Kuzuha announced his graduation tomorrow and had a buff stream scheduled for every day of the month until he graduated at the end of September, would Nijisanji win September?

>>32992954
Dude immediately went into some sort of philosophical rant lmao.
> how do you treat them? like a character? like a real person? If I call their avatar ugly, is that like calling the person ugly?

>>33012787
you can >> every reply you think is me and ill upload a photo of it next to my white hand
then you can take your brown ass to a psychiatrist and get some lithium

>>33012740
Aim for Niji HQ this time.

>>33012652
>HoloEN
>first to market
>reclining
>NijiID
>first to market
>dead
>NijiKR
>first to market
>dead
>NijiIN
>first to market
>dead
first mover curse

>>33012793
>only JP has long running series
Wrong. Just look at the most recent Hell's kitchen. I think it is already in its 20th series. You just need people to be charismatic to capture the audience.

>>33012821
I'm the one tht brought up Foobs FFXIV, but it's quite similar all things considered.

>>33012873
I love this show, man

>>33012866
It's a common problem for any industry. First to market doesn't always ensure that you'll be on top if the barrier to entry in the market isn't that high. To remain on top, you need to have a vertical monopoly or be so much higher quality than your competitors that you are seen as the premier brand

>>33012866
Weren't technically speaking Vshojo the first chuuba corpo tho?

>>33012803
Personally I don't watch EN but it just seem to me they don't treat Vtuber as seriously as the JP. Their content feel much more...winging it

>>33012981
That's all of EN vtubers unfortunately

>>33012957
Vshojo is barely a year old anon

>>33012663
so mori is more out of the box than haachama
ttfags don't watch unless there's male

>>33012866
The first are always the experimental one. Anyway I hope EN3 live up to the expectation of the other 3rd gen

>>33012981
that's kinda rich considering how like 90% of JPs never put up anything resembling a weekly schedule unless they have an event

>>33012981
don't put jps in a pedestal, a ton of them are the same, just going with the flow, coasting, treating it as a side thing, etc.

quick and easy 10k for matsuri

This "covid buff" is one of the most retarded arguments this threads keeps pushing, aside from obvious bait arguments. You're actually completely retarded if you think lockdowns had a major inpact on myth's popularity.

>>33012866
Nijijp also the first market for jp right?
and now they got beaten by holojp

>>33012981
I bet you don't know about Noraneko huh?

>>33013015
Ah, alright so old chuubas just entered Vshojo, oke.

festival with the 10k coming in clutch.

>>33013016
EN Vtubers in general care more about doing what THEY like first and foremost, whether they audience like it or not come later
I think it's just the effect of "freedom" in westerner brain

>>33013064
I agree.

>>33013059
>schedule cope
JP doesn't need a schedule to remind themselves to stream.

>>33012981
Watch more jp chuubas then faggot.
You don't even know shit beyond the surface.

>>33013059
Because they all stream in the same timezone anyway

>>33012866
Whos first to enter ES market?

>>33013088
Did she lose her save file?

https://twitter.com/hakuikoyori/status/1569147153259589633?s=20&t=bL-OMJnDoiTOtxHIty47Rw
Ohhhhh guess who found out about the manga

>>33013129
Onyan...
Shion...

>>33013074
Are you serious? We have the data. It is a fact that streaming as a whole saw a significant boost from lockdowns.

>>33013203
No one I hope, that's a shit market.

>>33013064
>>33013133
NTA but I think the real issue is that THERE ARE quite a lot of interesting JP chuubas despite majority being mediocre coasting bitches but there is literally only 1 interesting EN chuuba. Others are not even trying.

>>33013133
>>33013084
>>33013064
>>33013059
Then what do you think is the reason EN Vtuber in general stagnant? And no, cull is just a small factor

>>33013215
Dumb dog

>>33013129
CHLOE LOOK OUT IT’S A GHOST

>>33013250
as always, the problem was always releasing en gens too slowly, they should have just mirrored jp and release a few quickly and then slow down

>>33012576
>former deadbeat thing
Sounds perfectly logical to me when Mori has been bleeding numbers for months.

Gura = HoloEN at this point though Council numbers are decent mainly because Gura has been more close to Council more this days.
Honestly with rust being played by all branch this is the time for EN to organize an event hell even ID already did one already.
Instead of abusing this Rust fotm and do/think of an event some EN are busy organizing a collab with Homos instead since Worms is the best game ever.

>>33013250
>>33013260
Who knows, but your logic is flawed.

>>33013270
Pekoyo ended up being a really likable duo. The over-competent senpai and the clumsy but energetic kouhai
They make up for each other weaknesses

Selen is a better Ame
Pomu is a better Kiara
Enna is a better IRyS
Why aren't you watching NijiEN? You're just being tribalists at this point

>>33013298
I am not talking about hololive, I am talking about the EN scene as a whole. A single entity to carry the entire scene is just sad,

>>33013260
because it's a niche and it takes a massive amount to break out

>>33013260
alternative forms of western entertainment opened up significantly from this point just last year

Movies, sports attendance, activities, restaurants

as well as the fact that WFH and virtual classrooms were dialed back significantly in NA

>>33013354
i still find hilarious that moment near the start of season 2 where peko straight up just abandons her to watch the fuse in the tunnel and tells her to talk about food while she does everything

Jesus, the fuck is happening around here? This place is filled with baits and baits. It wasn't this bad last month.

>>33013384
all complete lies

>>33013348
Someone should really step up and replace Ame, if it's up to Ame it will just be another 3D VR stream where they mess around. It's not necessarily a bad thing but that is about the only thing Ame can and is willing to do and she been doing that for YEARS

>>33013415
Nijis haven't won a gold in, i believe, seven days now.

>>33013415
> It wasn't this bad last month.
Are you blind anon, it was always bad.

>>33013384
like every group of youtubers i watched before including minecraft autists and others, the group is part of the experience

>>33013384
because you named 3 shit holos and 3 slightly less shit nijis?

>>33013482
>3 slightly less shit nijis
>Selen
>Enna

>>33013415
anon, it's always this bad, acquire a mental filter already

>>33012886
I don't really think it's similar if Fubuki seemed to get a funnel after 2AM and get bumped from around 3.5k to nearly 6k, since nothing like that happened for Mori. Which was what the original poster was asking about, regarding the funnels from Ame or Mumei. If Fubuki FF14 at 3AM isn't something only hardcore sukonbus will watch, then it doesn't really work as an equivalent to Mori's Live A Live...