/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32973516
Gonna take a lot of autism to sniff out which Suzuki Sora is which

JPCHADS.... WE GOT TOO COCKY...

>>32973516
My government did this for "influencers" and with 24 hours all E-thots were getting swamped with calls asking them what their rates were for escort services.

>>32973516
What's a creator, anyone who uploads some content to a website or anyone who earns income from it?

>>32973783
The later.

>>32973516
Man this is depressing. I admired how amazing Suisei was with her being some mysterious figure no one knew about, even the most devoted of JP stalkers was unable to track her. In an age where everyone is encouraged to use their real name and face, she was just impressive as fuck. I really hope she can somehow avoid any of this, it was already dissapointing when Subaru fucked up and a single mistake led to her being doxxed, I find it more impressive seeing autists piece everything together even if it's creepy as fuck.

Could HL avoid it due to being a corporation and them being employees?
>>32973685
Indonesia?

>>32973783
They way I interpret this is if you are self employed under an alias so they can harass you for tax money. Think how PayPal started their whole shit about how if you make 500 dollars in profit this year and onward you now get a tax form so the IRS can rape you

>>32973915
>Indonesia?
No, a European country.

>>32973783
>So, who are the “persons directly related to the invoice”?
>Roughly speaking, this applies to freelancers and sole proprietors with an annual income of 10 million yen or less, and the specific examples are listed below. It is not an exaggeration to say that most people other than so-called office workers are covered.

>Actor, film director, screenwriter, cameraman, director, composer, editor, animator, entertainer, artist, writer, cartoonist, translator, proofreader, writer, designer, illustrator, stylist, hair and makeup artist, web designer, IT engineer , musicians/musicians, concert/live staff, handmade artists, landlords (excluding residential), professional athletes, sports trainers, instructors, dancers, masseuses, manicurists, consultants, single masters, private taxis, delivery partners such as Uber Eats , delivery companies (red hats, etc.), elderly people working at silver human resources centers, craftsmen such as traditional crafts, farmers (people who do business with agricultural cooperatives and other than markets), day laborers, parking lot managers, restaurants such as snacks, etc. Store operators, Yakult ladies, sellers of flea market sites and handmade mail order sites, side jobs, crowd workers, people involved in new jobs that do not exist now, etc.

Pretty much Japs are going to do what the Yankees have been trying to push for years and kill anonymity.

>>32973516
They can just change names

>>32974074
Dishonorabur

>>32973685
And? What were the rates?

Don’t most corporate Vtubers work on a contractor basis? From the looks of it even being under a company won’t stop them having their information out there.

>>32973984
Probably German then. It's sad how everywhere is now being like this with a huge drive for everyone to use their real name and face online, likely due to the government wanting to control wrongthingk (it really ramped up after COVID). I for one can't wait until we all end up on a database that then gets hacked like the biggest data leak in China.

I'm no content creator but it just seems like this stuff gets more and more intrusive and eventually I will just have to stop using the internet. In Hololive's case it's actually quite terrifying
>Japan has creepy stalker culture
>Hololive has doxx issues
>Japanese government makes it so people lose anonymity.
>Stalking issues intensify
>Police do jack shit (Kiara had stalking issues and nothing ever happened to the guy harassing her iirc)

The government is literally making things so much worse.

>>32974074
Isn't there a period where your old name is known for X years?

>>32974074
They can't change surnames which is also a huge problem. Suddenly their entire neighboorhood knows they are that famous vtuber.

Once again, the taxman shows their cruel and villainous acts.

>>32974424
The guy's examples even brought that up. Jap government pretty much wants you to cease being anything but good office drones. After all it's not safe to be anything but a cube drone for your corporate masters

>>32973516
That's fucked up.

>>32973516
>>32974031
>nip government makes retarded policy
colour me suprised


what would they do if you don't comply? send you a fax? fucking clowns

so hololive will have to move their company to other country, US? Indonesia? or somewhere else

>>32973516
good
marine sued some guy for an anonymous post on 5ch and forced his isp to reveal his personal information
this is karma

>>32974496
It seems unbelievable how they still uphold all those prohibitive restrictions the americans put on them since WWII

>>32973516
>>32974031
Isn't this just dangerous for a bunch of creators? When schizos are out there trying to dox Youtubers and streamers via the reflections of metal on their photos, anonymity helps protect creators operate freely in Japan. Even people who aren't "influencers" like manga artists hide their names and gender to stay safe. Also based on >>32973685 it'll be females getting the brunt of stalkers now having information on them.

>>32974563
That... may be an option?

the end for jp chuuba lmaooooo

doxxfags won

>>32973516
I guess JP vtubers will have to legally change their name to the Japanesee equivalent of "John Smith" before debut.

>>32973516
>be anti
>governmental doxxening happens
>find chuba's real name who I hate
>kyoani'd her house and apply rape correction
There is no way something bad could happen after this

>>32974765
Poetic justice for Holoschizos

oh noo.. is that mean my favorite website iketog gonna be useless?

>>32974601
It's just karma. Vtubers started abusing their anonymity to sue regular citizens for criticizing them.
You can thank vengeful bitches like Marine and Roa for bringing this about. I can't wait for their actual dox (not some past internet shit but real names and addresses) to come out.

>>32974563
The problem with hololive is that the girls are self employed their best option is to create a company to use as their name for the tax invoice system. I would assume most of them earn more than 10 million yen a year at this point so they should be able to arrange something.

Real doxxing is coming!
LETSGOOOOOOOOOOO

Who cares? Voice actors go by their real name which is basically all vtubers are, and they are fine. Nobody outside of this place cares about doxx. "OH NO JOHN RAMBOS REAL NAME IS SYLVESTOR STALLONE. MODERATORS HELPS!!" Grow up.

>>32974900
Yep. Holoshit will be finished next year.

well shit, hope they find a loophole or some way to get excluded, shits gonna be scary for them if this goes through

>>32974932
But all of their accounts are owned by Cover. Why would they have to use their name, when it isn't legally their account?

>>32973516
>vtubers get doxxed
>roommates common knowledge
>the illusion dies and takes vtubing with it
Thanks, Japanese government.

>>32974069
>freelancers and sole proprietors with an annual income of 10 million yen
So not holomem...?
They don't fit in either category and they all make well over 10 million yen per year.

>>32974900
>issue effecting the entirety of jp vtubing
>Holoschizos

>>32974887
Seems like Rushia got out just in time.

wtf so the japanese government were the doxxposters all along?

>>32974916
Good. I’ll fly over there and rape Marine so fucking good. She’ll birth so many of my children.

which hololive is going to be schizo murdered for having a boyfriend first

>>32975078
>takes vtubing with it
vtubing will just be entirely taken over by the west but EN market was already dominating hard so not much will change

>>32975000
This law is targeted mainly to them, there is no way to escape except literally emigrating from the country altogether.

>>32973516
This is it, it's the end of all /jp/ culture. Every single creator will be a few clicks away from endless harassment.
The manga, the doujins, the entire vtuber industry, all of it gone apart from the blandest content you could possibly imagine.

Isn’t housing public record in most countries? I’m surprised doxxing hasn’t happened on that front yet

>>32975142
this only affects hololive

>>32975038
Because they get revenue from it, the same way you use a computer supplied by your employer to work but still have to pay taxes.

>>32974977
>JOHN RAMBOS REAL NAME IS SYLVESTOR STALLONE
Reported.

This probably won't affect vtubers (I read the article: https://shueisha.online/culture/52899))
Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something, registering your real + stage name is optional. You just need your real name (which you can't in any way link to a creator). However, the argument the article makes is something along the lines of:
>mangaka sends an invoice to publisher
>publisher needs to confirm the ID number on the invoice
>looks up the ID in the public database
>the name matches, but wait, multiple people exist with the same name??? how am I going to know it's the right one if it doesn't also have the stage name written right next to it???
I don't know, how about you ask the fucking mangaka?

>>32975250
But the JP side was the one with the blandest content

>>32974932
>>32975038
They still get checks and royalties from Cover and they also have whatever thing they have going on in their lives with PLs and Roomates. The one I can actually see taking a huge hit and that that this shit puts her life at risk is Noel

come home yagoo.. we protect rich people / big corpo privacy

All right, one year to make a good plan to kidnap my oshi.

This seems really stupid...

>>32975236
Killing politicians would do the trick too.

>>32974977
>JOHN RAMBOS REAL NAME IS SYLVESTOR STALLONE
Fuck off doxxfag

>>32975259
Can you tell me the real name of any single vtuber?

Japan being retarded.
More at 11.
The most technologically forward-thinking and ass-backwards country at the same time.

>>32974900
>>32975278
rent free, kshart

>>32973516
holos aren't considered freelancers, so they should be safe right? Indies are fucked though.

>>32975412
Truly the traditional japanese way.

>>32975457
Hololive lost

>>32975529
Never let evil take root

>>32975494
Key word "content creators", all of Japan internet sphere is fucked now.

>>32973516
There's literally nothing wrong with this, vtubers are just actresses playing a role so who cares who they are. They literally get a script and role and have to follow it so there's no way this will change anything.

>>32974424
pretty much its gonna take a rape and murder case for this to change. I seriously hope it isn't a holomem who is the victim of that.

>>32974916
This feels like a pretty good reason. If I make fun of your cartoon avatar and you try some shit, I'd better know exactly who you are.

>>32975595
Are you forgetting about the droves of schizoids within each vtuber fandom?

>>32973915
>Could HL avoid it due to being a corporation and them being employees?
This is my guess, since they are under cover corp who handles their personal info. But who knows with nips

>>32975600
PLACE YOUR BETS GENTLEMEN

I bet $10 for Suisei.

>>32975595
Schizos, harassers and stalkers care. This will make it easier for them to stalk and harass anyone they want.

>>32975259
No, what kind of 1984 hellhole do you live in?

>>32973516
If its just their real name on its own this is meaningless.

>>32975600
It wouldn't even matter at that point, because by the time a stalker does something everyone's info would already have been public and documented. It has to be stopped before it goes through (good luck)

You retards, you can't do shit without knowing the registration number, otherwise it's just a bunch of names.

Just change your legal name to your character's name, like Mr. T.

>>32975419
I could for 3 of the ENs, and I'm not evem a doxxfag. That's just what I've picked up from being here.

>>32975781
>get real name
>get birthday
>start searching in databases

The manga industry has been fighting against this for months now because many of them work with Pen Names

>>32973516
isn't that dangerous for content creators in general?

>>32975781
you can use it to confirm your existing suspicions

>>32975781
having a list of real names available DOES make it much easier. People WILL autistically go through the names and match name and family details to vtuber details.

I'll say this as an American public figure with my real info in the Library of Congress that ties my works to my pen name.
It has been over a decade and nobody has offered to suck my dick yet over it and my real address is easily accessible.
It might be different for girls but I guarantee one national tragedy and the Japanese will change their tune real quick.

>>32975853
You literally can't change your name in Japan, look up the family registry laws.
And even if you change your name in another country, they will still use the one you were born with.

How many of them will graduate before this takes effect?

>>32975974
yes
if you make any kind of art that anyone would find objectionable someone can commission you, get your real name on an invoice and then doxx you and lead a harassment campaign

>>32976005
You aren't a cute girl with thousands of possibly psychotic fans who will kidnap and rape you

>>32975974
Yes. It's a very dangerous route for many in the content creation industry, security industry, policing, etc.
A LOT of abuse is going to happen if this goes ahead.

>>32975595
There’s already schizoids on the English side of the fandom, now multiply that by 100, and they’re within closer proximity due to Japan being a tiny island nation.
Shit could easily get so much worse, you’re basically handing doxfags enough info needed to track them down in person.

>NOOOO, NOT THE KAYFABE!!!
kek, all these bronies harassing vtubers for showing their face will pay

>>32975974
good

>>32976005
I’m sure you’re writing is great and all that, anon but your fan base probably isn’t deranged virgins who commonly post about raping you.

>>32976289
Go back to /v/

>>32975781
Just knowing their real names makes it a lot easier, you colossal retard. Schizos and stalkers have found out vtuber's identities with less to work with and now they're essentially getting a buffet of information to work with.

>>32974496
I'm sure the drones will be very productive when they are constantly under stress due to all the stalking fears. Good job Japan.

>>32975331
See
>>32975893
Don't forget to add in references to peoples accents or saying they come from rural areas. There is so much shit that retroactively fucks them if this law is passed. Oh X said they worked as a *blank*, let's look at LinkedIn for X who worked as a *blank*. Assuming Japan has LinkedIn but you get the idea, there is lots of info they gave up. Then you could look at things like, oh X said they have 3 brothers, well on this list for name X only 2 people have 3 brothers.

>>32975989
Believe him because I would do it.

>>32973516
>the personal information can be accessed by anyone from all over the world, all data can be downloaded

holy shit

>retards speculating without reading the article.
every time.

>>32976389
Japan does have linkedin. I think Jenma got doxxed through her page.

>jew vtuber corpo announces english branch
>this happens
hmm

This seems like one big mistake and I'm not surprise they are doing it. People who decide laws for other peoples' livelihood are ill fit to understand the actions of their decisions.

>>32974932
>The problem with hololive is that the girls are self employed
Are you actually fucking retarded ?
The girls at hololive are NOT self employed
The work for Cover, they are salaried employees cover knows all their real names and addresses and ensures they do their taxes

>>32975882
Now why >>32975853
can't you do it for JP?

>>32976564
I’m almost certain Choco said once that they are contractors and not considered employees

>>32976131
>>32976333
There are hundreds of female celebrities that have dont obscure their identity that live their lives just fine. Stop blindly believing and parroting jealous roastie talking points.

>>32976572
uruha rushia real name is michael cat

>>32976630

She never said anything like that

>>32976640
ok incel

>>32976572
I don't speak Japanese and I don't really pay attention to any of them.

>>32976470
Well, have you read it?

>>32976564
If that was the case they would have zero issues getting apartments and credit cards.

Papparazzi aren't a thing in japan, right? It would be another problem if vtuber paps existed.

>>32976640
If you ignore all the ones with stalkers, sure, everything is fine

>>32976808
So you can't do it.

>>32976819

No

>>32976389
Good luck with that, there are going to be ~2 million entries in it when it's in full effect

doxxchads eating good, time to ruin the incel hobby

>>32976823
They have issues with credit because their real salary is very low and the rest is basically commission income that fluctuates
Also, japanese housing system is extremely discriminatory

>>32974977
But do voice actors have stalkers on the same level as vtubers?
Although they both voice fictional characters, vtubers are closer to streamers than to a 2d inanimate anime character you will never interact with. That brings potentially strong and dangerous parasocial relationships to the level of fleshtubers.

>>32976913
No, like I said, I don't pay any attention to them. I don't understand what your point is supposed to be. You asked a different anon if he could name the full name of any vtuber. I said I can do it for 3.

>>32976564
Do you think mangaka, even the ones under big publishers like Shueisha, are employees under those companies? No, they're contractors the whole time they're serialized. Same goes for the holomem.

>>32973516
vshojo and kson already showed their faces

I'm booking tickets and creating a rape list as I type this

>>32974574
they don't want to piss off the country that can actually fight china
>>32975781
/co/mrade here, this is literally what a lot of major cape arcs are about. all you need is the threat. god forbid someone unrelated to a schizo's obsession gets hurt too. we don't have the power to mindwipe the planet so once this info is out there the impact is irreversible.
all the talents need to tighten their opsec immediately. all agencies should consult with real security pros, it needs to be made a standard.

>>32973516
wonder why they would do this
>would lead to a decrease in income, loss of trading opportunities, and an increase in wasteful paperwork due to a substantial tax increase.
>In the first place, why is the invoice system designed to lead to the real name and address of sole proprietors being exposed? The answer is, "Because we prioritized the convenience of large companies over individual privacy." Regarding the Ministry of Finance's shocking answer on August 8, 2022

kek JP loves sucking off big corpos

>>32977002
All you need are a few autists to piece things together collectively on the internet
There are millions of autists on the internet
It is inevitable

>>32976736
On her roommate account she discussed it and referred to her work as contract job

>>32976470
Reading it right now through machine translation and it doesn’t look good. Creators can either suffer with a loss of business partners for not properly disclosing needed information, release a “store name” and have people be able to track you down by linking what information they have, or if your “registration number” and name get leaked then they can find out about your “office location”. And if that doubles as a home you are fucked.

>>32976847
I’m pretty sure they do, like how the Japanese press swarmed one dude Pierre Taki or something. He played a role in Judgment and Frozen, and got hounded by press just for doing cocaine.

>>32976640
Case in point - Lulu.
She quit because Anycolor told her not to stream while the legal issues were sorted.
She didn't want to stop streaming, she knows stalkers exist, not streaming wouldn't change that.
So she fucked off when they told her to not stream.
The fact Roa hasn't fucked off yet surprises me. I almost wonder if she will after everything is done, she already gets on quite happily doing her thing elsewhere, probably what Lulu should have done to begin with, it's not like they have a non-compete clause or shit, a lot of the top talents do other work regularly online.

>>32977002
Only 2 mill? You understime the power of mental illness.

>>32973516
Based I can't wait to find calli's name and dox her family

>>32976564
Hololive girls are just contractors, they're not employees.

>>32975297
They don't get revenue from it directly. Cover gets revenue from it and pays them a salary that is comparable to whatever percentage the character's channel makes via yt. Holos effectively work on a commission system for their employer like wagies in a department store.

>>32977223
>just for doing cocaine.
>just
>cocaine
>in japan

>>32976333
Pekora? rape
Miko? rape
Lamy? rape
Mel? rape again, not by her manager this time
Sora? rape
Towa? rape
Ayame? rape
Subaru? rape

This is probably Marine's fault

>>32973516
translated it with DeepL
https://pastebin.com/xYPvNzVS

>>32977240
Your point is moot considering Lulu came back to stream and did it by showing her face
You dont do this if you are getting stalked. Anyone believing this stalker bullshit story from Anycolor that Lulu never acknowledged herself is a fucking braindead mongoloid

>>32977330
You already can. Her family’s home is easy to find.

>>32976564
No way they could get away with such a variable pay if they were only employees.

>>32977378
marine is the Sio of hololive

>>32977331
Citation needed

>Everybody doomposting about hololive
>Forgetting that the biggest stalkers are nijisanji antis
RIP Rindou, Axia, Gundo and Honma
RIP especially to Mito who has the craziest anti the poster guy

>>32973516
So which vtubers will go Team Stark and which Team Rogers?

>>32977358
Retarded Japanese drug laws notwithstanding, the paparazzi absolutely exists there.

I hope Ken akamatsu does something

this isn't a big deal for holos, they definitely make more than 10m yen per year so they will be exempt, this is more likely to screw indies over though

The only good use for this would be to put a bullet through the head of anyone who looks up the information not for tax purposes, but that's to utilitarian for the world

>>32976640
most female celebs don't make their career out of getting parasocial with the audience, and that's the most prominent source of obsessive personalities on both sides of the spectrum.

>>32977474
>Mito
jesus i forgot about her, didnt her anti stalk her and post her face all over her neighborhood to the point that she had to change houses?

>>32973516
who do you think would quit holojp due to this?

>>32977474
>b-but Nijisanji
Mel's manager, Aloe's graduation, Pekora talking about schizos putting trackers on gifts

>>32977157
>>32977321
Now that I think about it, if most people do have that field filled in, it'll narrow down the results even further. Although currently 80% of them have it blank.
Regardless, the article itself isn't really worried about just the real names part, so I'm not sure why you're all so fixated on that

>>32977563
see
>>32977554

>>32977505
>Rogers
The whole vtuber industry
>Stark
The japanese goverment.

>>32973516
COME TO AMERICA ARC 2023???

>>32977411
Dude, Lulu has been stalked for fucking years.
It's part of the industry, being a celeb does that.
There comes a point where you deal with it or become a hermit.
That's exactly the reason she left, she knew it was a non-issue.
Her face has been on TV before you even heard of a "holowhat?!". She has worked with top comedians before. She's not some little random unknown person.

>>32977563
>Aloe's graduation
Nigger that's literally nijisanji fags

so what issue is this policy actually trying to solve?

Don't make this another holo vs Niji thread...

>>32978009
More money for the gov.

>>32977563
>Aloe's graduation
Caused by nijifags
Literally proving his point lol

And how does this affect us small corpo chads?

>>32973516
That sucks. In the west many connect their content creation to their real life but it isn't like that everywhere. Takes away so much mystery.

I think big corpo chuubas from Hololive or Nijisanji will be fine because they'll prepare for this by registering overseas (US, HK or other places) and employing their talents there IF they can't have them as employees in Japan. You know who won't be fine? Small indies. After that shit takes effect their only choices will be to get doxxed or to find a company that's willing to employ them (as a legal loophole) which would mean they'd have to pay money for anonymity even if they're just a 1view who is just starting out.

>>32973516
Do the japanese government want to stop the lucrative business of people sending money to japanese for a cost of nothing material?

>>32978147
>mystery
the identity of 99% of vtubers in Japan is already known lmao

>>32978149
>find a company that's willing to employ them (as a legal loophole)
VShojoBVLLS it is our time....

>>32978149
They are probably anal enough to have worked on these loopholes to prevent exactly that scenario.
Or, you know, amend it after the fact, like happens with laws ALL THE TIME.

>>32978182
If they can get a 1% increase to their cut they will do it for sure.

>>32978209
Shh, don't ruin it for him.
He doesn't realize there is zero stigma with their IRL identities being known, and that it is a very open secret.
Only the most menhera of vtubers have made a big fuss about it, but the same happens with a lot of people, they aren't special or immune to this.
Loads of celebs sperg out at their IRL stuff getting posted online as well. Some want attention, some don't, it ain't rocket surgery.
Matsuri, in that regard, is full menhera, she doesn't know if she does or doesn't want attention! Fucking nutter, god I want her to beat me up.

>>32978073
Do you not have to disclose your income to the tax people, regardless of what it is, as a self emplyed person in Japan?

>>32976538
it goes both ways, industry leaders are out there for themselves too even if it hurts the nation as a whole

>>32978009

結局登録番号が分からんと無意味じゃね?
しかもホロにじぐらいなら屋号や住所の登録隠して関係悪化とかないだろうし

>>32976106
>it's available for everyone international to see
Loli/shota/guro artists are getting doxxed huh

>>32978209
It's not the same to just get to know their rm compared to their full real name and address.

I still don’t understand what is this supposed to accomplish? Taxes? Or they just want to dox Vtubers for no reasons?

>>32978379
Yes, this is the conclusion of anyone who actually read the article

>>32978209
Really doubt that for indies.

>>32978478
Yes, Japanese politicians made this law specifically for Vtubers.

>>32974916
If you think that is the reason... I'm pretty sure is to enforce some moral shit if it doesn't have a taxes motivation.

>>32978478
Money. The answers is ALWAYS money.

>>32978478
They want to wash themselves of any crimes that will be committed when it goes ahead.
"na bro we never did anything, it was the psychos that did it".

>>32975356
I hope Noel has made savings or invested in something half good, because she might have to simply ditch everything.

>>32975600
Japanese police is useless. Double useless if you are a gaijin.

What's stopping Yahoo from simply hiring them all as employees? It might cut into the profit margin enough to limit the amount of events they can do but isnt this the obvious answer?

What is the argument for having this information be publicly accessible & searchable?

Off to piss in Sora's ass!

>>32978651
She have2 houses and a whole studio
Pretty sure any high to mid tier Holo gonna be fine

>>32975893
>>32975983
>>32975989
>>32976380
>>32976395
How many people have the same name and birthdays

>>32975600
Unless the Japanese police changed massively after the Junko Fureta case don’t expect much.

>>32978651
Noel makes millions a year just from her roommate activities and even has her own side business aside from being a cam girl. She's fine.

これ企業勢は本人が直接クリエイターに発注とかかけない限り非公開で問題無さそうなんだよな
本人運営クリエイターの流れになればお金の流れも間挟めば非公開でも信用問題とか関係ないという

>>32973516
The biggest ones could certainly afford to move away or figure out a way with lawyers, right? Pretty dangerous for the vast majority though

>>32973685
This would be funnier if it wasn't sad and a bit alarming

>>32978140
Any corpo is exempt. Only freelancers that don't make much, which means small indies, are fucked.

>>32979088
>Any corpo is exempt
?

>>32978872
negro, we are talking about Japanese names here, if you know kanji in their names you have already won

>>32979135
read the article you moron.

>>32973516
Oh nyo!
Aynywyay,

>>32978913
Furuta and its changed a few times since the 80s.

>>32978872
A few hundreds, really. There's like 20 people with my name and birthday in my country. Japan is small, pierce that information with something they said on stream, and you may have something bigger to go off.

>>32978651
Noel is the richest Holomem

>>32979365
it's Reine lmao

>>32979088
Corpochads... we win again!

>>32979040
that might help then. Cover (for example) is trustworthy, I guess. Indies may be fucked though.

What's wrong? Don't y'all want all content creators doxxed, pranked, stalked, harassed, deplatformed, debanked, unpersoned and maybe even violently attacked the moment they do anything to upset people? THINK OF THE CHILDREN, friends. We have to hold content creators accountable for paying their tax- I mean the social impact of their behavior. You can't just have anonymity, otherwise people would have to take responsibility for their own wellbeing. Instead, we need to follow in kiwifarms' footsteps and implement a universal public registry of people so everyone knows and can gangstal- I mean look out for one another. It's for the greater public good.

While we're at it, maybe we should implement some sort of scoring system to Incentivize pro-social behaviors and punish antisociality. You know, like some sort of "social credit" system. I believe China's had great success with this, and hasn't been responsible for any bad things happening in the world over the past few years. Obviously those rumors of ethnic genocide, re-education and organ harvesting camps are all just baseless rumors. And those white "death cubes" were all clearly western propaganda meant to make the Chinese Communist Party look bad with senseless slander and lies.

tldr It's not like anonymity serves to protect people from tyranny and despotism or anything like that. I'm sure no content creators will wind up being disappeared. At least not the wealthy ones who carry the regime's water, of course.

>>32973516
Isn't this killing japanese indies as opposed to corpos?

>>32973915
I've seen the whole subaru doxx, but never really got to know what did she do to cause it

>>32979296
>Japan is a small country
I mean if having a population roughly the size of Russia is small I guess it is pretty small yeah.

>>32979296
>There's like 20 people with my name and birthday in my country
Lol imagine not being a unique chad. Fuck I don't even have to account my birthday in lol we all have 4 names in my country, tho

>>32973685
Bet lots of them actually sold their body that day.

>>32979682
She said she recently remembered another girls channel, and since she couldnt do it normally as subaru ch. They looked through the girls recent members and found her, and her old content.

>>32979682
She was a retard and membered to Okayu on her real account.

>>32974069
>Yakult ladies
NO! NOT THE YAKULT LADIES!

>>32974069
KEK
THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST WANT TO PUSH VTUBER INTO BEING A CORPORATE JOB
YOU WILL WORK FOR A CORPO
YOU WILL PAY THE TAXES
YOU WILL STAY LOYAL TO THE CORPO IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE DOXXED

>>32979742
Everything is Tokyo or close by.

>>32980177
It's against Hololives policy to use your Vtuber channels account to member other girls, so that was just a fuck up on the contracts part.

>>32974424
>and eventually I will just have to stop using the internet.
By the time it gets there you will have digital-only money so "stop using the internet" will literally not be possible. Use it less? Sure. Stop using it? You would be dependent on the kindness of others who do use the internet on your behalf.

これ結局1番損するのは
V問わず企業勢じゃなく信用が少ないけど活動してた個人事業主でしょ
フリーライターとかTwitterでやりとりしていたクリエイターとか

>>32979682
>>32980055
Nah, Subaru literally said *on stream* to Okayu "mwahaha now I'm gonna join your membership to listen to your GFE asmr". And ping, a single green welcome xxx to the membership message popped up. With xxx being her full name. (Or at least RM activity name which goes way back)

>>32980366
13 million in Tokyo proper, 38 million in the metropolitan area.
It's a lot but it's not even really half anon. Also its literally irrelevant because you can say the same about Moscow.

>>32980375
No, it was a fuck up on Subaru's part for announcing that she was going to member to Okayu for her GFE ASMR and then doing so on her real account/RM channel.

>>32980390
It's normal to focus on the vtubers, this is vtubing board in the end. That's what most people think of when reading the article.

>>32980367
>YOU WILL STAY LOYAL TO THE CORPO IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE DOXXED
Wactorbros we were ahead of our time.

>>32980410
Alright, that's fucking retarded.

>>32980501
Well yeah the announcement was a mistake but not membering on her real account.

>>32973516
100% some schizo is going to find and attack one of the girls.
Cover needs to build a bunker and move all holomens there ASAP

>>32980379
Cash is going nowhere, dumbass.

>>32980660
>The holoville
Imagine.

>>32980660
Be sure to allow Haachama on the architecture team. She'll make sure it is secure from potential intruders.

>>32980731
Ayame starts wilting after 13 days without whoring

>>32974031
>We will know Dorontabi's real name

>>32980760
>Leave the construction to us.

the company can declare those taxes, is not a big deal, but they will have to change some clauses of the contract with their talents, they will basically be regular employees, so yeah, they will be a typical salary man lol

>>32980887
Nooooooo, no waaaay

>>32975419
Rebeca Rodríguez

Argument 1: Creative content will shift into being activities belonging to a corporation. Anyone outside of corporations risk losing their reputation because their identity is exposed.

Argument 2: Those who are outside of the corporate sphere in Japan do not have enough "credibility" to deserve anonymity. You shouldn't be able to say random claims or false things while hiding behind a mask. All the big names in the creative content industry in Japan are already employed or contracted by corporations anyway.

Argument 3: Freelancers who can establish credibility (Like Twitter official verification, etc.) should be able to apply for an exemption.

>>32981025
Sounds like an X-men.

>>32981025
Who is that supposed to be? Because the Rebecca that I know has a different last name.

>>32981092
my sides

>>32980055
>another girls channel
It was Okayu. She challenged Subaru to watch her lewd member ASMR stream, and Shuba membered her on the spot with her alt account like an idiot. people just saw who membered at that moment and doxed her.

>>32980645
Both was a mistake if the person cares about opsec at all.

>>32981025
This is some Marvel shit. Stan Lee always named his heroes with the same initials

>>32979399
lol no. Reine is only rich by Indonesia standards. Even you would be one of the richest people in Indonesia. Indonesia is Africa tier.

it was nothing burger, subaru doesnt attract schizo

>>32981452
Wasn't Subaru one of the hardest Holos to doxx too? Her opsec was pretty damn good until that major fuck up from what I remember

>>32981492
ogey

>>32973516
Sadness...

Please someone tell ne it's a nothingburger. Like it's just a possible law that isn't likely to pass

>>32980410
So how much of her backstory is true? The house burning down? Never being into any otaku stuff pre-Hololive? Exchange student in Canada?
I personally think the events are mostly true but on a real timeline of over a decade ago. Kinda obvious she wasn't a high school kid when she joined Hololive.

>>32981025
HIC

>>32973516
Doxxfags may be happy about this but at the same time it could genuinely get some chuubas killed by schizos.

>>32980660
Japan is going too far. First it was fining people for online insults and now it's forced doxxing. Free speech and privacy rights disappearing day by day.

>>32982091
you're spending too much time on /vt/

>>32975083
YES
PLEASE BE VALID
Anon you give me hopium.

Literally nothing is gonna happen to hololive because Cover is the owner of those channels and the recipient of the payments. Be more worried for indies.

>>32973516
This is totalitarian control. It's literally the same system as in China. This completely destroys small and independent creators in ANY creative field and is a form of censorship. This means that the only content that can be produced will be approved by and controlled by the Japanese government. Simply put this is the death of any creativity and authenticity in all fields, be it vtubing, anime, manga, absolutely everything. Holy shit. This is complete sterilization. Japan just sold its soul to globalism.

Why would japan do something that specifically fucks over lower-middle class? What did they do to anyone to warrant this?

>>32982411
>Japan just sold its soul to globalism.
Not yet, the law hasn't been approved yet.

>>32973516
You will have to akasupa your oshi a lot more to hire a bodyguard.

>>32982236
Have you seen what Japanese autists can do?
They'll make the KyoAni fire and Abe's murder look like nothing

>>32981978
Iirc the only fake part was her being a total normie and having no experience. She was an entertainer who even showed up on TV a few times.

>>32982411
If this goes through Japan is doomed. Their only edge against other countries was their safe haven for artists and creators.
I can't imagune any controversial artists of any kind surviving after this.

>>32977139
>"Because we prioritized the convenience of large companies over individual privacy."
i knew japan was cucked but i didnt quite realize it was this bad. thats a abhorrent statement and even in these dark days would get you crucified in the west

>>32982674
>i knew japan was cucked but i didnt quite realize it was this bad
This is literally every country nowadays

>>32982817
sure in practice thats the case, but nobody comes out and says it

>>32973516
>web
ah yes, perfect for such technologic country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntHrOAbkVjE

>>32982236
nijifags don't watch their own chuubas so I'll make them a favor and link this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-OoAz4LiKU

Reminder that women chuubas are fucked due Japan being Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mPyQR-gis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8IMlyXVYaE

>>32982502
I can't let my oshi be near a male hunk and her to depend on him to feel secure. What if she fells in love and fucks the bodyguard? OH FUCK OH FUCK THERE IS NO WINNING MOVE

>>32977531
>lower-end Holos making less than 10mil have to be given money to pass that threshhold
>that many is taken from other talents that make money in excess
>money that those talents might've wanted to use for projects
Goddamn it Japan

>>32973915
>it was already dissapointing when Subaru
was found out to be a fraud whose entire
>I never cared about idols until Holoive changed me
protagonist arc was completely fabricated. Her other stories about her past are probably exaggerated or made up too.
But the truth does explain why she seems so well trained in dancing and hip movement to appeal to otaku.

>>32982184
It's not a Japan-only issue, we are regressing into a world of tyrants, Dictatorships, and Corrupt Oligarchs. Even America, "The Bastion of Freedom" is crumbling everyday, and with the Queen of Britain deceased Britain is most certainly going to begin shifting to a more Authoritarian government state, and WW3 is gonna be the Catalyst that sparks the all out attack from the Elite to enslave the world

>>32974916
It might be very surprising for most people around here, but generally it's in your law to sue someone for talking shit about you. So yea, fuck around and find out, you guys are so lucky that most of you isn't from 1st world countries where it's actually respected.

>>32982411
>Japan just sold its soul to globalism.
Or nationalism if Japan got its shit together..

im gonna move to japan next year, find my oshi roomate, offer to be her personal bodyguard and rent a house next to her.

>>32981978
Mostly bullshit/character lore
She wasn't nearly as much of a fish out of water as she portrayed herself and her life was less comically unlucky

>>32981492
lol dumb fuck.
Literally go google some videos of Indonesia. It's a well-developed area.
There's houses there worth more than my entire life. (which I only spotted randomly on Youtube when watching some architecture related videos, i also thought the same to be fair)

>>32973685
Kek

Does Japan have an public your of home address?
Because if so there will definitely be permanent stalkers and some cases of assault.
Sasuga JP government for not understanding the modern day we live in.

>>32983296
>>32983698
And this is why MiComet are the real protagonists of Hololive. They don't have a weirdly detailed backstory that makes the company look good (so bullshit) like Subaru, Sora or A-chan do.
They both struggled as vtuber content creators outside of Hololive for a while and had to claw their way to success through their own hard work and passion.
They weren't simply handed a heavily marketed generation, they made their own generation.

>>32974570
what did he do? sounds serious

>>32981082
>You shouldn't be able to say random claims or false things while hiding behind a mask.
Why do you believe this?

>>32984399
literally just talking shit like we all do lol, i dont remember the specifics but i dont think he even threatened her or anything

>>32977055
They do. Lots stalker horror stories, specially for male voice actors involving fujoshits.

>>32984531
>specially for male voice actors involving fujoshits.
Makes sense. Women aren't constantly told that stalking is a very bad thing for them to do to the same degree that men are.

>>32974424
it was spain it seems

https://twitter.com/Anujbost/status/1530249959710380037

>>32974069
>kill anonymity
Thank God, this needs to be pushed in every country. Too many internet personalities think they can say whatever they want without fear of real consequences because they think the internet is separated completely from real life.

>>32984290
Yeah, but neither of them are superb entertainers, so I don't care.

>>32985021
Kill yourself

>>32985021
Die the death.
Sentence to death.
Great equalizer is the DEATH.

>>32979522
>tldr It's not like anonymity serves to protect people from tyranny and despotism or anything like that.
tell that to marine
if she didnt want to get doxxed by the government maybe she shouldnt sue people over anonymous posts on the internet

>>32983025
YOU can save her, you just need to find her first.

>>32985021
yes everyone should be beholden to niggers who will lynch you for wrongspeak
kill yourself

It's so people like Mori can't sign contracts that only affect her digital persona and not her actual RL self. She shouldn't be able to get away with all the RM shit that she does on the side.

>>32975600
I seriously hope it is, on stream too.

seems like serious shit. So was the law approved? i suppose this is controversial shit and japs are definitely against it?

>>32975600
In Japan nobody cares if it happens to a girl.

>>32985554
>WAAAAAAH
Cry harder, chud.

>>32985886
Understandable.

>>32980390
True, but the board is for Vtubers. Also, entertainers that have a more personal even if fictional relation with their fans face more risk of deranged people trying shit.

>>32986026
you are not immune to the mob

>>32985886
imagine believing that

>>32985021
Perish

i smell commies here

>>32979522
This but unironically.
Why should they get to enjoy the fruits of success and fame while the rest of us suffer in poverty?
They deserve a little but of suffering too.

>>32985021
Fucking retarded kill yourself tranny faggot

>>32986210
>WAAAAAAH
>BOOOHOOO WOE IS ME I CAN'T ATTACK TRANS PEOPLE

>>32975707
Suisei doesn't even have dangerous stalkers.
First one to go is fatqua and I bet 300 bucks

>>32986363
the fuck are you talking about

First kiwi farms and now this. Excellent.

>>32986332
You'll still be a filthy subhuman ESL-kun

>>32986363
>no one mentions mutants
>you bring them up anyways

>>32986363
You will never be a woman.

>>32973516
Japanes autism folded one thousand times.

>>32973516
why is no one talking about this on twitter? Isn't this a big deal?

>>32986550
Trans rights are human rights

>>32986637
So forced mental health help till they get over their delusion and don't 86% themselves?

>>32973516
Oshi no Ko was so good, Japan wanted to adapt it to live action.

>>32986637
and i'm still going to bully them to suicide so what's your point

reminder

>>32974601
If it's dangerous for creators then maybe those creators shouldn't court schizos for their primary fanbase.
3D celebrities are able to do acting and music and sports/esports while using their real names aren't they? Even voice actors can use their real names in TV and movie credits.

>>32986633
Most vtweeters are westoids so it does not effect them, Corpo chubbas don't get the doxx under the proposition, drama tuber chuubas and indies are too busy scrabbling for a corpo to hide behind or are working towards their exite strategy before it can happen

>>32986784
how do you avoid hurting schizo's when they get mad over problems they make up in their own heads?

>>32973516
So this law is fucking dumb and threatens content creators.

But how close is to passing? Any JP bros who understand JP government?

>>32986784
A reminder that 3d celebs regularly are stocked and harrassed it wasn't that long ago some faggot found some flesh idol based off a reflection of her eye in a god damn selfie or the dude who attacked some flesh idol with a chainsaw

>>32986776
>Shinzo Abe is/was [based]
Wow, thanks for the reminder!

>>32986776
trannies don't even believe what they write, they just lash out at anything to make other people feel miserable or angry like them

>>32986932
yeah, some anon who browses 5ch?

>>32974765
*the end of idolwhores
Normalfag chuuba with normalfag fanbase doesn't give a fuck

>>32987738
How is this the end of idols? First off corpo chuubas are fine since they don't technically fall under this by wording alone. Second keeping pure will now be more important than ever. Correction has never been easier for true blue schizos in Nip land

>>32986776
If only Abe was really that based.

>Vtubers with normal and healthy audience remains the same
>Vtubers who enable incels (aka idols) will get doxxed and killed by them them off themselves
idk anons, seems like a big win for me

>>32988218
The latter won’t even happen, normalfag enabler.

The stupidest part of all of this? It's going to be on a PUBLIC website. If this was just register and it's dumped on some internal private government database that only the government got is one thing. It'd be retarded as fuck but you'd only have the possibility of a crazy guy in the tax department going doxxgod instead of having it be fully outward facing.

>>32988166
He was he told worse Korea to fuck off when they wanted reparation money for forced war labor, He denied the existence of comfort woman and even supported re-writes of historical text in favor of painting Japan in a better light. He told people that soldiers who committed rape during war time weren't criminals and believed they should be treated like as national hero's like any other soldier he was based as fuck and he made chinks and Koreans seeth just by breathing

>>32988218
I will personally hunt down and correct the "normal healthy audiance tubers" I will be the schizo they need and deserve

>>32988375
Based.

>>32988334
assassinated by globalists

>>32986637
how's that axe would going for you?

>>32988442
Its a shame but it happens every day some schizo gets fucking groomed and given a weapon like how the fuck do you equate your mother being a fucking autistic cultist to it being Abes fault?

>>32975083
It's bullshit either way, but especially if this is true, as it sounds like it targets smaller content creators, much like how youtube fucks over smaller channels right now.

It's the actual final yab, if this happens it's over for everyone

>>32988552
i know , and religion is a obstacle for globalists...

>>32979230
There is no "anyway" dumbass. Shit like this eventually affects everyone.

>>32988733
Celebrity always live with their real name like nothing will happend, what make it so different for vtubers? What secret they trying to hide?

>>32986776
>reminder
Axe wounds are filthy lunatics, what's new?

>>32988761
Except for corpo chuubas that can just brand themselves as voice actors for a company playing characters so anyway

>>32987319
This is true. They are coated in so many layers of irony that their entire personality is one big shitpost, revolving around "How mad can I make X today?"

This feels like the sort of things where corpos get to sneak around it by their members being registered as employees there first and creators second.

>>32988752
>religion
His mother was part of a cult that bleeds people dry of their savings, you dumb tradlarper

>>32988827
> what make it so different for vtubers?
You don't know SHIT about idol culture.

>>32984290
wdym ? you're saying Sora and Subaru got easy way like new gen ? and what backstory ? Subaru just exaggerate her story at best to make it more interesting topic in freetalk, do you think that's the reason people watch her ? Subaru is not even affected by her doxx, and what about Sora and A-chan backstory ? Sora wants to be idol and A-chan is Sora's friend helping her and they both basically creator of Hololive ? i don't see anything false about that

>>32989029
A Korean cult at that funny ain't it he shot Abe who actively went out of his way to make Koreans seeth because of a perseved connection that went deeper than a minor friendship the guy had to have been groomed or so horrifyingly retarded that he should have died as a child from choking on a shogi piece or something

>>32988827
Vtubers can lead a pretty normal life rn, they will have to move to gated communities like other celebrities.

>>32988873
There is no "just" doing anything when you work under a large corporation.

>>32984290
You could have just said "I'm retarded" and saved us a bit of reading

>>32989497
Yes their is aren't most of the talents already listed as idols/entertainers instead of content creators anyway do that being their main nitch thing?

>>32988827
>Celebrities always live with their real names like nothing will happened, what makes it so different for vtubers? What secret are they trying to hide?
Your grammar fucking sucks

>>32989665
Your English is hard to read man, and it's clear I'm not changing your mind no matter what I say.

Just popping in here to point out that many Japanese actors and voice actors actually use an alias, not their real names. It's not uncommon in Hollywood, either.

>>32989029
yes, and you totally believed that! religion is le bad! we should worship queerfags then commie friend!

>>32979088
why do they like to fuck up small creators every fucking time?

>>32986776
I hate that passiveagresiveness.

People get swatted just for being too good at call of duty even if they aren't a streamer. If you think this will only affect chuubas you aren't paying attention.

>>32981082
>Make company
>For the low price of 1000 yen, we'll "employ" you indefinitely
Would this work?

>>32981082
This would just result in more indies banding together, right?

>>32991001
Because the government and big business are drinking buddies.

>>32984399
From what ive heard it was basically just insulting her and her mom, so probably how this board likes to call her a whore for her mannerisms.

>>32991642
Mark your calenders, boys. She gon' get the 5chad gangbang for attacking a brochacho.

>>32973516
I read the proposal and it goes beyond vtubers. If it's adopted as is, then Japan is literally fucked. Since it includes artists, any artists on pixiv or fantia or any other service in which they're able to make money will have to register their real name with the government's open database that can be accessed by anyone. You can basically completely say goodbye to any artist that draws anything even a little controversial including adult drawings. Since Japan's artists almost all rely heavily on their anonymity for their work, only those that are okay with all their neighbors knowing what they draw will still operate under such a system.

This is truly a nightmare dystopian scenario unless it is somehow changed.

>>32991969
>leftists in the west
obnoxious cunts that worm their way to positions of power and like to harp about it
>leftists on the east
will just spend all their time preparing the knife without being overt about it until they're sure you will die

>>32992161
yes. that's correct. that actually perfectly represents what happened to Shinzo Abe.

>>32991900
>She gon' get the 5chad gangbang for attacking a brochacho.
Probably the only chuuba who's gonna enjoy the results of this law.

>>32973516
Also: https://shueisha.online/culture/52936
>Shocking response from the Ministry of Finance. "Real reason" to introduce the invoice system even if "real name is exposed" is unavoidable
>``names are mandatory rather than high-risk personal information such as addresses and phone numbers,''

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] What do you think about the risk of infringement of privacy regarding the problem that the real name of a sole proprietor is disclosed on the website of a qualified invoice issuing business?
[Deputy Director Nishiko, National Tax Agency] When the recipient of the invoice with the registration number confirms its validity, additional information such as the name is required. For example, if you check the registration number written on the invoice received from Mr. Sasaki, you can confirm that the registration number is valid, but you cannot judge whether it is really Mr. Sasaki's registration number. At this time, if the name is also disclosed, it can be quickly confirmed that it is Mr. Sasaki's registration number. From this point of view, we believe that disclosure of real names is necessary in practice. Names were chosen because they are effective for narrowing down the list and are not highly dangerous personal information such as addresses and phone numbers.

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] Why did you allow commercial use of the information published on the website of eligible invoice issuers?
[Deputy Director Nishiko, National Tax Agency] If there are many business partners, we assume that the accounting software vendor will create its own database and refer to it. Accounting software users refer to information downloaded by vendors. This is the operation that we assumed for commercial use.

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] I feel uncomfortable with the commercial use of personal information registered for tax purposes. Why should it be used for the benefit of a company that has nothing to do with the taxpayer himself?
[Deputy Director Nishiko, National Tax Agency] Only the minimum information, such as names, is disclosed.

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] In the first place, isn't it rude to publish all the data in a form that can be downloaded all at once from all over the world? It would have been possible to search for each registration number and confirm whether or not it is registered.
[Deputy Director, Nishiko, National Tax Agency] For businesses that do not have many business partners, it is possible to search and check them one by one, but for large companies with many business partners, it is time-consuming to check each one. Efficiency can be achieved by constructing a database with a list and searching for the registration number from there.

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] The convenience of such large companies and the privacy of us taxpayers are completely different issues. It has nothing to do with taxpayers who don't want their real names published.
[Deputy Director Nishiko, National Tax Agency] In the case of sole proprietorships, it is not the address or phone number that is disclosed, but the name, so we believe that it is unlikely that the individual will be identified.

>[Mr. Natsumi Koizumi] Do you have any plans to review it?
[Deputy Director Nishiko, National Tax Agency] Not yet. We are following the law.

TL;DR: Basically, these dinosaurs that don't understand how much easier it is to track someone down with a name online are going to destroy Japan.

>>32986932
thats the price of not getting involved in to politics and always staying away from conflicts, people become incapable of defend themselves.

>>32982411
Abe dies and things start going to shit.

>>32992992
>For businesses that do not have many business partners, it is possible to search and check them one by one, but for large companies with many business partners, it is time-consuming to check each one.
Ah yes, elevenese businessman in all its glory.
Always retarded and still thinking fax is the fastest way to communicate with people.

>>32976564
In Japan, even if you have a contract with a company, you are not treated as an employee.
If you are an employee, the cover should be able to contract a residence for you to live in, but the fact that this is not done means that you are not treated as an employee.
In Japan, only employees can live in a residence contracted by the company.