/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Any other answer is objectively incorrect.

Kson. Went from biggest vtuber in the world (in terms of CCV and income) to struggling to get 3K after joining vshojo.

>>32967002
who

>>32966956
ass

>>32967003
Coco never had good ccv

>>32966956
From Vtuber Jesus Christ, the Legend of Legends, the Hero among Heroes, the Rising Star, the Memelord, the Shitposter, the Martyr against the Red Menace, the Immortalised, the Kaichou Eternal...

TO

The Vtuber Horus Lupercal, the Arch-Traitor, the Heretic, the very leader of the Legions of the Ruinous Powers of the Inferno itself

>>32967002
god i want to fuck sios fat ass so badly

>>32966956
Hinata

>>32967002
This

>>32967360
Stop being cringe

>>32966956
Jesas, her Rushia model was so much better. Even MikeCat one was way cuter.

>>32967002
Personally, I think RBC deserved every bit of it. Fucking scrapheap. Hope she gets drug off to the junkyard soon.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrSi5brEwo

>>32967554
Really?
I do think the nazuna model is a bit over designed compared to rushia but it somehow works out the rigging looks better too

>>32967210
Sio. An ex-corpo vtuber turned indie, quickly rose to one of the largest and probably one of the highest paid vtubers of all, raking in loads of superchats, sponsorship deals, collabs with major vtubers and IRL celebrities. And then a scandal destroyed her career completely. She literally went from top of the vtubing world to completely gone from the internet.

That makes her the objective answer to the question posed by the OP, nobody else has ever come close to that dramatic of a fall.

>>32967746
How the scandal happened was something straight out of a fuckin movie, too. If I were a religious person, I'd point to it as proof that Karma existed.

>>32967746
Is she the one who shat on her colleagues on 5ch and got caught?

>>32967003
>struggling
https://twitter.com/SEGA_imurecho/status/1568811502525906947
Meanwhile the giveaway item from her Sega arcade collab has run out of stock on day 2 due to so many people playing.

>>32967360
damn shes literally big boss

>>32967327
Compared to now it's wasn't as good. But at the time she was their big hitter.

>>32967327
This is cope from people that started watching vtubers when Myth debuted.
At her height she had 40K every stream minimum. It's true that she had some of the worst CCV in hololive JP right before she left. People were figuring out she sucked in solo streams.

>>32967003
Coco was only big because she was first-(half)-past-the-post in terms of corpo ENtubers. If she debuted today in the new Hololuve gen she'd be reviled for her crude behavior corrupting JPs and not knowing english fully.
>t. chink
Wasn't around for the Coco scandal. This is just my take as a comparative newfag

>>32967360
Just for the bronies in this board

>>32968258
>At her height she had 40K every stream minimum
You numberfags are high on your own farts and making shit up now.

>>32967911
Yes

>>32967746
Don't forget that she is still the most hated vtuber in Japan

>>32968503
why do you fags keep saying she's an EN tuber or pandered to EN speakers?
she pretty much never did that until she started twitch this year
as coco it was a rarity that she said more than one sentence in english outside of meme review

>>32968732
That bitch would read English superchats and respond to them in Japanese.

>>32966956

>>32968828
sounds pretty based

>>32968639
Go back further, show asacoco and the height of the arc fad. You cherrypicking faggot.

>>32969099
>those 100k vod view asacoco episodes had 40k ccv
lol no

>>32968678
Also Nips still commission porn of Sio getting raped. Even if she wanted to come back or reincarnate elsewhere then Nips have not forgotten.

>>32968678
>Don't forget that she is still the most hated vtuber in Japan
Really? I heard last time they did a poll on that, Mikeneko was the most hated. Even more than that dramanigger Narukami, apparently. I stopped taking their opinions on vtubers too seriously after finding that out.

>>32967003
>gets 5k on twitch

>>32970858
She's rebranded as a twitchthot now

>>32967373
>>32967002
QRD why she has a fat ass?

>>32970810
If Sio popped back up she’d dwarf them in terms of hate.

>>32967360
I disagree with this post but I respect the effort you put into being a chuuni. Based.

>>32971075
Do not encourage that schizo. He'll drop Pippa eventually and might come for your oshi.

>>32967360
I don't know man, I think she's one of those people that makes an impact no matter where she is.

>>32967360
cringe ass faggot

>>32968980
In her defense her company was at fault, glad she left

>>32967554
wrong

>>32971009
her 3d streams/model show off a massive ass that i wish to fuck

>>32966956
Kizuna Ai-chan

>>32966956
Hololive EN. Went from being hailed as the greatest thing to happen to western vtubing...to being a bunch of incredibly unlikeable ethots associated with unironic anti-white bigots. Absolutely disgraceful.

>>32966956
IRyS
Rushia fell for being retarded, but IRyS is straight up lazy. Used to stream almost everyday a week and now you're lucky to see one stream per week. Can't blame her singing career because she only took 1 lesson of singing then dropped out.

>>32967646
kys Sio

>>32967360
Oh hi Henry

>>32971532
Surprised it took this long. She had two channels that were the most subscribed in the world (for a Vtuber, anyway) and now she’s dead. Hard to fall farther than that.

>>32970810
Miguel is just recent events and on a scale is not really comparable with Sio because Rushia was not really loved by many honestly while Sio is like one of the most loved when she destroyed .Live most people sided with her, from that to become one of the most hated because of her yab and they still hunt her down till this day if she try to reincarnate

>>32969099
Show it yourself. You can't, because you know you're wrong

>>32974753
>because Rushia was not really loved by many
? Do you seriously believe this? Maybe in the EOP community, sure?

>>32974753
>Rushia was not really loved by many honestly
Idiot

>>32974957
>>32975039
she loved by her fans that's it, most people sided with Sio when she "bring down the black company" it's pretty much like how Coco vs chink, most people even in Holo fanbase are just indifferent towards Rushia

>>32968732
Before Myth debuted, that really was the closest anyone had ever seen. Genuine EN vtubers were seen as a joke and nobody paid attention to them. I know Ironmouse has been doing this for five years or something, but almost no one who got into Hololive from the algorithm knew who she was at the time.
Basically everything that other anon says is true. In 2020, Coco was considered the closest to an ENtuber we had just because she *could* speak English and she was a native speaker. That’s it.

>>32975400
I don't care for whatever situation Sio was in, but Rushia was part of Sankisei, one of the most beloved of Hololive Gens.
As I said, I can understand your point of view if you're only talking about the English side of the fandom, because Rushia was always far more popular with the Japanese fandom than the English fandom, but you'd have to be absurd to think that everyone outside of her fans was indifferent to her.

>>32970810
That’s because Sio’s already dead and buried. She’s not reincarnating, so there’s no need to think about her at all except when recounting past yabs in vtubing.
Nazuna is very clearly still relevant right now purely from the fact that there is a Nazuna to talk about. Not everyone hates mikeneko, but the ones who do hate her a lot. Not everyone thinks about Sio anymore, but when they do, everyone hates Sio.

>>32966956
The Artia after people learned she was Judas, her stupidity got everyone on Holo CN to not keep the models like it was planned.

>>32967554
Not even close, Nazuna’s model beats the hell out of MikeCat.
Rushia’s original model is hard to top though.

>>32975933
>I don't care for whatever situation Sio was in
seems like you just sperg out because Rushia wasn't really loved by many and you confuse it with popularity, Coco was surely more loved than Rushia but Coco solo stream would be less popular than Rushia in term of that, yes most people outside her fanbase be it casual fans and people from other fanbases jp or en was just indifferent to her, let's say if Coco was fired like Rushia, there will be more reaction from it because Coco is more loved in general than Rushia

>>32967360
And you betray her for Pippa's forgiveness faggot.

Henry Erebus Logar

>>32968828
She did to my SC
Kusa

>>32978219
nazuna has 6k average viewers on a platform with very few japanese. antis been saying she would drop for months but she stabilized.

>>32978219
I think it's very rude to bring up other vtubers into an argument, because now I have to make a response that could potentially annoy the Tatsunokos
The issue with picking Coco as your example is that Coco was extremely popular in the EN side of things due to the fact that she was one of the first Holos who could actually speak English. I'm not saying that she wasn't popular on the JP side, but she was very popular in EOP fan circles because she could speak English and her humour was more "American"
Rushia can barely speak English and her content and humour aligned more with the JP audience, so naturally she wasn't very popular in EN circles. Again, I'm saying that you don't have a fundamental grasp on Rushia's popularity because you're most likely only looking at the English fandom. Of course EOPs would react more if Coco was fired than Rushia: EOPs can't watch her streams.

>>32966956
she is doing really well on twitch as probably the biggest twitch VTuber

>>32966956
your mom

>>32980343
>probably the biggest twitch VTuber
She's not the biggest in the world, but I'm pretty sure she's the biggest JP Vtuber on Twitch. At the very least, she has the most subs out of any JP Vtuber (actually has the second most out of any JP channel)
The Koreans have a few Twitch Vtubers bigger than her, and some of the EN Vtubers from Vshojo (Ironmouse, Veibae) would have a higher CCV, but she might beat out some of them with donations.

>>32979026
if you think Coco is only loved by many EOP. you're just EOP who know jack shit, Coco is generally loved in Holo fanbase not just because of whole chink fiasco but also because her connection with other member, people from other fanbase would obviously like someone like Coco more than Rushia because Coco is active with collab and sometimes help them like with english stuff off stream, their oshis talk about her and like her that's their fans would generally like her more, that's why someone like Coco was more loved in general not just by her fans even tho most of them not really watch her solo content, this is not something you can simply use "popularity as in numbers"

>>32968503
Coco had lore to lean in to (which includes AsaCoco) and had to be creative to get around the to restrictions set by Hololive. The latter in itself made her activities more entertaining, like her pussy shaving stream with Tamaki (they were actually using an epilator). She was the wild card in the idol company. The first and arguably only one to really push the limits of what was allowed by Cover, and this was all before the market became saturated with whores who put in way less effort (like kson now, sadly). This is what made Coco different. If someone like Coco debuted today, that person would be considered an imitator.

>>32980343
>the biggest twitch VTuber
She's a Korean Vtuber that isn't affiliated with Vshitshow?

>>32981277
meant >>32980491

>>32970858
>twitch
Roru, rumao even

>>32967648
this guy should totally do a cover of Weird Al's One More Minute.
It's like that song was made for Unicorns and the whole situation with HoloEN collabing with males.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhpk-8QLFQ

>>32980589
I'm honestly not sure what you're even trying to argue now. Stop bringing other vtubers into this, you're a disgrace to the fandom
It doesn't matter if Coco was more or less "popular" than Rushia, what you're trying to say is that nobody cares about Rushia besides her fans and that's a complete lie. You must know this yourself? You just sound like you have some particular reason to dislike Rushia and you're projecting this onto the Hololive fandom at large to justify....something?
As I said before, stop dragging other vtubers into this.
>>32981277
Re-read my message. I said she's probably the biggest JP Vtuber. I already stated that the Koreans have a few Vtubers bigger than her.

>>32982180
excuse me ? you're the one who sperg out of nowhere, i was simply comparing Sio and Rushia and saying that Sio is fall harder than Rushia because Sio/Tama was generally loved not just by her own fanbase when the whole ".Live is black company" fiasco and turn into one of the most hated vtuber in the entire industry and compare it to Rushia situation, i basically said Rushia is still in better situation than Sio and not fall as hard as her, i was only said most people outside of her fanbase was indifference to her, not hated her and it also doesn't mean they completely don't care about her, just fuck off retard

>>32983668
>i was only said most people outside of her fanbase was indifference to her, not hated her and it also doesn't mean they completely don't care about her
>indifferent
>doesn't mean they completely don't care about her
Indifferent: adjective
without interest or concern; not caring; apathetic:
ESL-kun, indifferent literally means "not caring". So yes, saying that everyone outside of her fanbase is indifferent to her would indeed suggest that they don't care about her at all because that's what the word "indifferent" means
And if you're trying to say that most people were just indifferent to her situation, that's very untrue. Pretty much everyone had "some" sort of opinion on it, because it was the perfect situation for a lot of people to push whatever retarded agenda they wanted

>>32981667
I wonder if the person who spams the "Bohemian Yabsody" video in every single thread vaguely about Rushia is the same person.
I managed to goad one of them into posting it into the general and the guy managed to get his retarded ass banned for a few days.

>>32968980
her company was ass... more freedom as pmaru-sama

>>32984099
is that so ? my bad then i shouldve said "don't really care"
>And if you're trying to say that most people were just indifferent to her situation
what you mean by this ? if you think i talk about her situation of getting fired then you're wrong, what i mean is her situation in general, Rushia still able to reincarnate and still doing quite well while Sio pretty much won't be able to reincarnate anymore

>>32967360
>t.henry

>>32968980
Oh definitely this.

>>32976214

>>32967002
>>32967746
>>32967895
>>32967911
>>32968678
QRD on the scandal?

>>32967002
Man, i still miss her. She had really good chemistry with Towa

>>32986670
Note had a bug that would embed the IP addresses of pro users in the HTML of their blog posts. Someone dug up Sio's IP address and found out that it matched with a shitposter on 5ch. Turned out Sio had been shittalking her former coworkers and leaking shit the whole time.

>>32986670
She regularly posted on the online blog website note.com. A couple years ago, some random internet users found a vulnerability in the website where it would display the IP address of the author of blog posts. I think you actually just had to right click the page and "view source code" and it would show it there. From what I remember they were specifically Sio antis who found it, but I'm fuzzy on that detail. But anyway, someone used that to find Sio's IP address, and with it they were able to find a bunch of 5ch posts written by her, since certain threads on that website publicly display the IP address of the author. And it turns out Sio was an active shitposter. Sio maintained that it was not her who wrote those posts, but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. I'm pretty sure one of them actually said "I'm Sio" while shit talking an anti. She then went on hiatus to organize a lawsuit against those slandering her, and wasn't heard from since. Or technically she did one paywalled NND stream around Christmas 2020, a couple months after the scandal. It's been radio silence since then though.

Some consider it karmic justice since before she was Sio, she was a member of the corporate vtuber group .LIVE. She was one of the most popular members of the group, and at once point she claimed that she was being mistreated by management, which lead to a flurry of events which included her firing, as well as crippling the group forever, as their reputation was damaged significantly right before the big vtuber boom of 2020. If it weren't from her .LIVE could be as big as Hololive or Nijisanji are right now. At the time most people sided with her, but with the revelations about Sio she was probably just a psycho bitch.

Kizuna Ai, and it's not even close. Any other answer is objectively wrong. She was the first Vtuber and spearhead of the whole Vtubing moment. She was leaps and bounds ahead of any competition, all her competitors used to show deference to her and many, including Tokino Sora, started out as blatant clones.

Then the Four Kizuna Ai happened. It was an unmitigated disaster. They created a Chinese Ai in the hopes of catching the bugman audience but it turns out the Chinks wanted to watch actual Kizuna Ai, they didn't want a Chinese speaking Ai any more than the rest of the fans. The other two Kizuna's gradually began to take more prominence over the original, she began to appear in fewer and fewer videos. To this day, there are still people who think the original VA got replaced, years later. Eventually they spun off the two Kizuna Ais into their own channel with their own models, and one of them graduated shortly after. The other might still be around I'm not sure. Interest in Kizuna Ai channel dropped off a fucking cliff, because people were there to see Kizuna Ai, not two newcomers using the model and a Chink. At this same time, the format of Vtubing shifted from short videos to long form content like we see now. Hololive was at the forefront of this trend, and Tokino Sora, the Ai Clone that used to have to beg for scraps to show up in Kizuna's event, helped lead a plethora of new talent to the forefront. Upd8 was crippled by this, to the point where the original VA had to come make a statement but it was too little too late. Like I said, there are still people who think she was replaced and that is solely due to bad communication on the part of upd8. Many of their talents left, including the one that would later become Omaru Polka.

Kizuna Ai was a shadow of her former self, losing the race to 3 million to Gura, despite having FIVE YEARS and 2.5 million sub head start. She eventually held a concert and went on "indefinite hiatus" but was for all intents and purposes a graduation.

To this day, the choice to make "The 4 Kizuna Ai" video might be one of the worst fucking business decisions in the history of money. They were the leader and pioneer at the forefront of vtubing and they shot themselves in the foot. The confusion and disinterest following this, as well as the change to more live streaming and zatsudan content, sent Kizuna Ai into obscurity of an industry she basically created and lead for years.

>>32967002
Only 2020fags would disagree

>>32966956
Coco went from being near-universally respected in places that aren't China to a literal Twitch thot

>>32988434
>I don't know a single vtuber outside of Hololive

>>32967360
>From Vtuber Jesus Christ, the Legend of Legends, the Hero among Heroes, the Rising Star, the Memelord, the Shitposter, the Martyr against the Red Menace, the Immortalised, the Kaichou Eternal...
>TO
>The Vtuber Horus Lupercal, the Arch-Traitor, the Heretic, the very leader of the Legions of the Ruinous Powers of the Inferno itself

>>32988204
i mean that's just fall from popularity, like pewds it's not popular anymore but they still have big presence and people still like and respect them while there is someone like Sio who basically went from 100 to -100, heck even Kson probably fall harder than Kizuna Ai

>all these Kson and Nazuna posts
What part of meme shitposting and menhera GFE were "graceful" in the first place?

>>32966956

>>32989546
>heck even Kson probably fall harder than Kizuna Ai
"Fall from grace" generally has a more broad meaning than "/vt/ tribalists don't like them anymore".

>>32988204
It just goes to show that management and branding matter.

>>32990699
>management
Well upd8 was managed by a bunch of monkeys. They made the worst possible decisions constantly, losing their talents and several partnered groups as soon as contracts ran out, speed running themselves from the top of the industry to non-existence.

>>32989631
these pictures of ame always make me feel bad for her for a moment, and then I remember what she actually is like

>>32967554
>>32967726
>>32971362
>>32977559
It literally looks like a cross-dressing boy and I genuinely can't stand to look at it.
I'd rather paste an image of her PL or Mike over it whenever she streams.

>>32989969
true but the context here is being compared by Kizuna Ai, outside of this board i think both of them are the same as in still liked by most while in this board i will say most people still like and respect Kizuna Ai but i don't think the same can be said for Kson

>>32968123
>Dethroned those above them and tried to uphold their legacy while paving their own path
>Becomes a villain in the process
>Eventually becomes disillusioned and their methods are nowhere near what their old mentor wanted for the world
You feel it too, don't you?

>>32968732
Because /vt/ is infested with disingenuous chinks that are eternally upset over Taiwan existing.

>>32968503
Without Coco there would be no EN. Her and Haachama paved the way. But newfags don't respect the history. Especially on this board

Jesus this board really knows fuck all about anything outside of Hololive huh.

>>32992849
Korone paved the way
Coco and Haachama weren't actually that popular with the overseas audience

>>32991319
Outside of this board a lot of people still think Ai got replaced by a different voice actor

>>32988204
>Sub race
I can't take you seriously with that kind of comments. Specially if you compared an English speaking channel with a Japanese one.

>>32992849
>Without Coco there would be no EN
exaggerated, many other member reached overseas audience like Fubuki,Migo,Korone and even Matuli and Subaru, clippers actually plays big part on it, overseas audience is already there and Coco is pretty much the one who capitalized it better

>>32992918
This is beyond wrong.

>>32988204
It's really heartbreaking what happened to Ai chan, from being the godmother of the genre to someone who wasn't even allowed to die with little dignity (I honestly don't expect her to come back from that supposed hiatus) but to be honest the clone debacle left me burnt out and like many I also lost interest and that plus the fact that she could never adapt to modern trends was what sealed her fate, in a few words Kizuna Ai was like the Blockbuster of vtubers and Hololive like Netflix (at least in its heyday not like now that Netflix is also a company in decay).

>>32992873
been that way since 2019 before the board even existed

>>32967360
she achieved her greatness, best stop at her prime as coco.

>>32968980
she's racking in millions in her new channel though.

>>32995666
well she is still regarded as a legend in vtubing community
>wasn't even allowed to die with little dignity
her final show was kino though. if one day my oshi graduate this is how i want her to do it

>>32989546
>i mean that's just fall from popularity
You only say that because you weren't around for the reaction to that stuff.

>>32967002
Such a waste. I'm still subbed just in case... one day...

>>32989588
The part that was more popular than 99% of vtubers.

>>32967646
>drug off
esl-kun...

i miss sio’s fat ass the japanese were not prepared for the size of it and we’ve been unfairly punished as a result

>>32967360
Stupid ass Majin Buu pants.

>>33005405
A lot of native speakers say "drug" instead of "dragged"

While not necessarily a fall from grace in the respect that she did something bad and made people hate her, but she was once one of the chuubas that any English speaker would know and like. She wasn't in Hololive, she wasn't a pioneer like Kizuna AI, and she didn't speak English like Pikamee, but yet, any English speaking vtuber fan of the time would know of her.
She was one of the few that an English audience would watch clips of and post about frequently, but when HoloEN came out and with the issues she had later on, her relevance in this section of community faded. Mods wouldn't even give her graduation a sticky, but they absolutely would have if she had her earlier popularity with Western audiences. She was screwed over, and it wasn't her fault.

I am aware of where she is now, but I still miss her.

>>32988204
>Many of their talents left, including the one that would later become Omaru Polka.
Dunno why you would mention her first over OkaKoro.

>>32988044
> probably just a psycho bitch.
it's the paradox between the good person going quietly about their life vs the narcissist that's always playing the victim to get simp bux. Very similar to an actual rape victim that feels shame from it and want to never talk about it vs fake rape victim who's entire identity is "i was raped, now give me your emotional energy and money"

>>32991167
what is she actually like?

>>32966956
Kson
Being surrounded by friends to babysitting a mentally handicapped menhera that can dox you at any time
Cant think of anything more suicide inducing than this

>>32967360
Eh, I rather see them as two different entities entirely. Coco is amazing, kson is meh.
She turned into literal twitch thot is probably by choice, her experience as Coco gave her quite a heavy toll it seems.
Dealing with bugmen exhaust her so much she decided to stay in her comfort zone, which is ironic considering the restriction when she was in Hololive

>>32967003
Well seems like she was not kidding when she said the graduation was her choice. If she was forced to graduate, then she would not stop being "Coco" after she graduated.
Rushia is a nice proof since it seems like she does not stop being Rushia after her termination

>>33005862
Maybe if you're an uneducated nigger. Perhaps that's worse than being an ESL...

>>33005862
They also say and write things like "should of" and "based off of"
Doesn't make it any less retarded

>>32968076
sssshhh, it goes against the narrative.

>>33007847
>>33008329
Welcome to the English language. A lotta people, even native speakers, use it incorrectly. No need to get angry over it.

>>32988204
>Kizuna Ai
>all this vtube history
>it's only 6 years old
Feels like it should be much longer.

>>33008611
>No need to get angry over the slow degradation of the English language
Die.

>>32993757
>and Coco is pretty much the one who capitalized it better
this is the main reason why Coco became JP most popular

>>32968980
This was not a fall from grace, this was explotation.

Glad she got out "fine".

>>33007813
Meanwhile Kson is collating with new friends every week while Coco wasn't allowed to collab with all the people in her own company. And she was paying them for that privilege. No shit she quit.

>>32967746
>>32967895
>>32967911
>>32968678
>>32986670
>>32988044
You guys either forgot or not fully mentioned the most important part. She brought down her affiliated company too, and I mean the ENTIRE JAPANESE COMPANY, not just like a branch or some warehouse black company or some rich foreign kid trying to make Hololive 2 with desperate uwu bitches, but an actual staffed company, not even the Rushia or Coco situations managed to do that much damage or cause a fall this fast.
>She leaked stuff
She did far more than that, she unironically doxxed several of her co-workers and """"friends"""" and openly revealed several of their personal life details, very sensitive stuff. It got to the point that she would sometimes just drop the info with no prior advise while shittalking without restrictions or answer questions from random jp anons about other vtubers, the amount of stuff she leaked reaches on peak schizoposting lengths but most of it was true or turned out to be partially true as it is well known now that she purposelly twisted or exaggerated some facts to cause more damage.
She is not coming back, that would likely end in a Lulu situation but with even worse outcomes.

>>33007813
> banishment room until want to volunteer graduation

>>33010974
just how bad was some of the shit she leaked? Simple shit like boyfriends/husbands? Or is it higher tier shit like substance abuse or criminal affiliations?

>>32995666
>in a few words Kizuna Ai was like the Blockbuster of vtubers and Hololive like Netflix (at least in its heyday not like now that Netflix is also a company in decay).
Cover is also a company in decay, so it still fits.

>>32967002
/thread

>>32966956
All of them.

>>33010974
Also one other side note is that she was a really good vtuber, super entertaining streams and basically started a mahjong stream boom because her streams were so popular

She was getting holo numbers as an indie, I remember pekora had a mahjong collab with her and it kind of felt like pekora was the one leeching

>>32967002
Kto?

>>33006701
cam on newfaggerland, watch sum focken streams!

>>32995666
Not sure that comparison is apt, Blockbuster was just slow to change, if Kizuna Ai's only failing had been sticking to short form content, I'd agree. But the self sabotage of splitting Ai into 3 other inferior Ais while scaling back the original everyone knew and loved was insane.

https://youtu.be/lQd9KfsnvdA

Look at the date on this fucking video. Jan 2021. Years after the 4 Kizuna Ai's and by far after Hololive had taken prominence, hell this was even after EN had debuted and blown everyone away.

If I had to compare upd8 to something maybe Firestone Tires? They started making a really shitty version of the product they were known for, the failure was huge and the blowback loud and public and thus everyone went elsewhere.

>>33006167
Nobuhime was fucking huge, Ayamina games wasn't. Nobuhime had something like 250k subs which at the time was one of the biggest vtubers, Aymina never brok 13k.

>>33006167
>>33021178
Also Ayamina left before the Four Kizuna Ai video so their leaving wasn't a result of the shitshow that followed. Nobuhime left as a direct result of upd8 fucking crumbling after they destroyed their flagship vtuber Kizuna Ai.

>>33005327
>Behold my impressive command over a legion of braindead zoomer weebs and middle aged virgins!
Never forget you're on a containment board's containment board.

>>32966956
Goog grief.

>>32966956
Kson big time. She used to be a legend and now she just a THOT

>>32966956
Choco but she is recovering now. Way back in early 2019 she was on pace to surpass Fubuki and Sora to become the #1 Hololiver but her career trajectory got wrecked by the end of Erolive and she went from the peak of the industry down to the bottom rungs in less than a year. She stuck it through though and starting to incline again.

>>33010400
>>33011133
That bullshit, along with the clashing messages to the Chinese and Overseas fanbases after the Taiwan incident, left such a bad fucking taste in my mouth. You know for sure there is a faction of Cover higher ups that resent losing the Chinese market and saw what they did to Coco by isolating her as divine punishment. Can't blame Coco for wanting out of a situation when those who are supposed to support you are purposefully handicapping you out of spite. Support from the other girls can only go so far when there are elements of the company working from the shadows to fuck with you.