/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>guys I’m a big fan of Hololive but isn’t Niji just better
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>>32961693
Myth and Council sucks Asparagus in their free time.

btw not a shill, also im gay

>>32961693
nice thread, Paul Li

>>32961693
Not sure if you actually like Hololive or you're just saying that to make your shilling seem more believable but generally speaking you're right about one thing: NijiEN members are more dedicated while many HoloEN girls seem to only be there to get their checks and gtfo asap. However, since you claim to love Holo, you must then also understand that no matter how dedicated or objectively speaking good NijiEN is, many Holo fans will never watch them simply because a fair chunk of people are specifically into CGDCT or unicorns in general and constant planned/unplanned male collabs coupled with fujo pandering, gay talks and Finana's "adventures" have labeled NijiEN as "unclean" and that will never change. Of course, there's some audience overlap and those who don't care about all that seiso nonsense will give them a try. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if NijiEN surpassed HoloEN in all metrics (if they still haven't) simply because they have better appeal to "normies". This may be one of the reasons why HoloEN is declining and they're slowly trying to normalize male collabs but I won't get into as as this post is already too long.

>>32962877
I think either the OP doesn't fully understand what a unicorn is or is crazy. I don't see how anyone can recommend NijiEN as a replacement for those guys when you will be seeing even the most HoloEN adjacent ones regularly talk about the male members, interact and collab with them. The people NijiEN could appeal to in the HoloEN camp are people that are sick of low effort phoning it in like you said. And maybe some people that weren't that schizo about the no male collabs thing but just used it as a reason to hold Hololive as superior. Because without that if you now compare HoloEN and NijiEN its night and day obvious which one is better.

>>32961693
Sure anon I believe you

>>32961693(me)
Also I like sucking some big black cocks alongside my Oshi from NijiCN, the best moment being when I slurp the cum out of her pussy.

>>32962877
>>32963481
It's not even about appealing to "normies". What I'm saying is that if you look at it objectively, NijiEN's talents and streams are in fact "more seiso/pure" in its own right than Hololive. It's just that they modified the usual "seiso" stream a little bit, so males/females collab and they are more open with topics like sexual attraction with men.

What I am saying is WHY unicorns are all over Hololive despite what I said above

>>32963781
Your argument seemed to be that you have less reason to worry about what they get up to behind the scenes because they are so much more present all the time. While that might be true it doesn't really matter to a unicorn what they get up to behind the scenes if they have already broken the primary rule on stream of not interacting with a male. They failed before it even got to the point of caring about if they are secretly having sex or not.

As a third party observer, Niji is better because they actually stream. The only thing Holo had going for it was no males but that's over now.

>>32961693
I agree with this, Nijisanji's talents stream more even the JP ones, you will the number of hours Niji JP did compared to hololive JP talents, Nijisanji EN and Nijisanji JP feel like they're your friends and your just hanging out, Hololive JP and Hololive EN feel more like idols, their streams are how the Japanese used to invite idol girls in their variety show and you get snippets of what they are when not performing a song or something.

>>32961693
>Non stop collabs with males
>Suprised unicorns don't watch them
Not sure if bait or OP is really that retarded.

>>32961693
Look what you did, Omegay
You exposed Hololive fanbase to Nijisanji
Now some of them will move and won't look back
Fucking idiot

>>32962877
most people are not into CGDCT. Hololive has a reputation of being more then just streams. Its the concerts, its the covers, its the MVS, its Holograp and StarsColle. The streams are nice fillers but its everything else that makes hololive popular.
Aka the stuff that takes them away from streams.

>>32963853
>Your argument seemed to be that you have less reason to worry about what they get up to behind the scenes because they are so much more present all the time
Yes. Not only that, even looking at the talent (watching streams), these women are unironic femcels.

For example, Enna talks about the man he likes, her sexual attractions, things like relationships, she mocks unicorns incessantly and whatnot but you can tell that she's a femcel. she's just the one at the top of my head but you get the idea

But yes, you have a point. It's a shame, then, the unicorns will never know who they should have truly supported in the first place.

>>32964238
This was literally me last year.
Myth all going on break around the same time, Coco getting the boot, IRyS getting left in the cold, and Council being lackluster all made me drift away from Hololive and move elsewhere. I mainly watch indies and small corpos now but I was deep into NijiEN for a while when it was just up to Selen's wave.

>>32964286
>But yes, you have a point. It's a shame, then, the unicorns will never know who they should have truly supported in the first place.
It's actually better this way. Even as bad as /NijiEN/ gets the presence of males scares off the most schizo fans away. I mean look at how Hololive has to deal with a new "yab" every single week, almost always either about imaginary males or "x disrespected y how could they?!" Bringing those schizos to Nijisanji would just make the streams worse, because as it is Nijis are very open about taking risks and trolling eachother and they're probably scared of fans taking things out of context and harassing them for just having fun. It's already bad enough with Vox's ESL femcels who don't understand sarcasm.

Sincerely as a Nijisanji EN fan if you're gonna shill them please do it on less mentally ill platforms. Bringing Holocorns into the fanbase is a bad idea.

>>32970127
Funny thing about this is that the Production Kawaii fanbase is going through this right now. The more radical unicorns from the hololive fanbase are going to them now, and more schizo happenings are occurring as a result.

>actually release schedules
>stream as if it's their job
>genuinely love their fans
>have great friendship interactions
>some really charismatic people
>tons of creativity
>have a nice company culture
It's not all good of course. You probably won't like some of the members. The intergender stuff is annoying. Sometimes there is drama. But overall, I've found that this is where the heart and soul of vtubing is found right now.

Some common objections,
-- Isn't it all fujos?
Admittedly there are a lot of fujos. But they're mostly from asia, and are mostly watching during asian primetime. Western primetime has a pretty even gender balance.
-- Isn't it super far-left wing?
To be honest it seems like Nijisanji as a company is towards the left of center. But plenty of the EN talents are right-leaning. And politics is not on display in the streams, everything's apolitical.
-- What about this or that member I dislike?
Just watch what you want, you can pretty much ignore their existence. Tons of content to choose from in Nijisanji.
-- Lower numbers?
Yup, that's just how it is. They do well for themselves though, and they're gaining in popularity all the time.

I also wouldn't say that you should be Nijisanji-only and reject all other brands. Watch whatever you want, corporation doesn't matter. I will say that Nijisanji has some great vtubers. The best thing about them is probably their really fun friendship interactions, something that nobody else can really match.

Give them a shot, you might find something you like. I personally really like Millie. She's really chaotic and fun.

>>32964286
>For example, Enna talks about the man he likes, her sexual attractions, things like relationships, she mocks unicorns incessantly and whatnot but you can tell that she's a femcel
femcels aren't real especially not for someone that can chatter like a fuckin streamer. It doesn't matter how ugly a chick is either they can fuck if they want. The only ones that are actual femcels are the literal insane fujos that are throwing money at them. all of nijiEN is fucking and obviously fucking. All the holoEN girls also fuck except probably Ina who smells too bad but do not try to delude yourself that nijiEN is streaming too much to fuck lmao. dumbass retards.

Pomu's good the rest are w/e. By the end of the year there's gonna be 40 of them in the EN branch so uh...good luck with that.

>>32970994
t. seething unicorn
stay in hololive pls niji is shit

>>32970127
>>32970481
>"The normies are ruining the fanbase!"
>Immediately goes to ruin another fanbase
Many such cases.

>>32971159
you seethe about unicorns but then come up with weird copes to make yourself think they're "femcels"
not so different are you

>>32971316
It's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
>they stream hours that would be the same as working a full time job. they definitely do NOT fuck and are virgins!
I can't believe anyone is actually delusional enough to think essentially any of the EN chick streamers aren't fuckin. It's not some big deal and you're 100% a virgin if you think it is but this retard must believe anyone with a job isn't fucking lmao.

sorry i cant read big paragraphs like this one just gonna say OP likes to suck on BBC

>>32961693
I just watch Selen, she is hardworker and so focused on her job that make her Goslings to feel safe

>>32971316
lmao. look, I know you don't watch streams. longer stream times is one factor apart from literally the women themselves. maybe if you did watch streams, but we're on /vt/ so understandable you don't
It's hilarious how you honestly think that just because they can talk in stream, they are sociable chads. That's not how socializing works anon, pls get out of the basement at least sometimes

>>32972325
the fact you think a chick needs to be a sociable chad to get fucked really tells me how little you know about sex lmao turbo incel spotted

>>32970994
Ina has a boyfriend. Bad example.

>>32961693
>manjisanji en platforms a racist bigot
>homolove en platforms a racist bigot
I'm disgusted by both for injecting politics into entertainment. I wanna watch vtubers and chill, not be lectured to about how I'm a bad person with original sin just for being born white.

>>32975079
Who and who?

>>32975275
Daph. Apparently the UNITY they were aspiring to is likening caucasian people to an infestation, with the obvious implication that we should be exterminated. It's such a broken pedestal moment. Once again, wokeness ruins the localization of something from JP that people actually enjoyed. Absolutely disappointing. I just wanted to watch cute anime girls do cute anime girl things.

>>32976139
Yeah i hate those collabs with normalfags "fleshtubers"
Those are a easy skip for me

>>32976498
>skip
>rewarding them for doing those collabs by continuing to support them
Racist (((shill))) spotted

>>32976578
My oshi didn't collab with that bitch so i don't care

>>32976659
>implying she won't

>>32976793
>projecting Luxiemshart
kek

>>32976892
Cope while you can. I'll grab a mug for your tears.

>>32977493
Sorry Nijinigger / Holobronny but Selen is here to game and unless that bitch is a pro Apex / OW / Splatoon player, she wont give a fuck
Now chill and watch this cute shill stream and use the referral code to support my dragon, thanks
https://youtu.be/y0Mj0gnx5CM

>>32963781
I don’t think you understand what seiso means

>>32961693
>I've been duped by unicorns about Niji EN
Tourist that just discovered NijiEN using words that he doesn't know what they mean.
At one point during the myths and then later council's run, a bunch of holi fans switched to niji en girls even before ethyria debuted.

>>32970481
I've been in /pkg/ all the time and I haven't seen anything, what happened?

>>32970481
>>32971300
HoloEN tourists now pretending that they were always "underground" following small corpos. You all statred with myth and switched to other corpos somewhere down the line. You can cope all you want but its true. 90% of this board jumped on the wagon with Myth.

>>32977598
>male collabs
Fuck malebeggars
>mocking bronies
Fuck normalfags
>watching streams
For what purpose
>supporting a woke brand that platforms people who want me dead
Lamao
>didn't even interlace her commentary with cantonese when I did watch
Wasted potential, fuck that, I expected ethnic trivia and cultural enrichment

It's actually tragic. I still don't dislike her as a person or a gamer, but...that's just not enough. Some things aren't negotiable. She belongs to twitch.

>>32983415
>Male collabs
She is a fucking tomboy, just like Mori, she have more synergy with the guys (ofc that i still prefer her solo streams)
>mocking bronies
Dangerously based
>watching streams
Why are you even here on this board then?
>supporting a woke brand that platforms people who want me dead
Who?
>didn't even interlace her commentary with cantonese when I did watch
She did, on her solo canto stream... don't expect much when Enna is there
>She belongs to twitch.
She can do both things because she is that good

>>32983919
>just like Mori
Ah yes, the destroyer of Homolove. Not a flattering comparison.
>Dangerously based
Nothing based about being so autistic you need a general rule to protect your feefees from colored marshmallows for over a decade.
>Why are you even here on this board then?
Easy shitposting material and procrastination, of course.
>Who?
Daph, the unabashed anti-white bigot beloved by both Nijisanji and HoloStars.
>She did, on her solo canto stream... don't expect much when Enna is there
Anon please. If you watch some Mino Mieko you can see how seamlessly leveraging an ethnic background and second language to spice up streams is actually done.
>She can do both things because she is that good
Kek. It's impossible to please groups of people with competing and mutually exclusive expectations who absolutely hate each other. Can't be a twitch normalfag and also an /incel/ friendly gfetuber at the same time. That's not how the world works, and there's usually no having it all.

>>32961693
>they are mostly femcels
Ah yes, Elira and her friends Millie and Enna just happen to go out clubbing and taking shots off people and generally being party girls with their circle of friends but when they claim to be femcel virgins it is totally true bro, believe them.
Once a stupid brony always a stupid brony it seems.

>>32961893
You're their target audience lol

>>32984829
>Ah yes, the destroyer of Homolove. Not a flattering comparison.
Nice goalpost moving, i compared her to being a tomboy, i don't care about your holo drama
>Nothing based about being so autistic you need a general rule to protect your feefees from colored marshmallows for over a decade.
Sorry that Selen ruined your pedophile roleplay in that "game"
>Daph, the unabashed anti-white bigot beloved by both Nijisanji and HoloStars.
Again, my oshi never talked or did a collab with her so i don't give a shit
>Anon please. If you watch some Mino Mieko you can see how seamlessly leveraging an ethnic background and second language to spice up streams is actually done.
Literally fucking who?
>Kek. It's impossible to please groups of people with competing and mutually exclusive expectations who absolutely hate each other. Can't be a twitch normalfag and also an /incel/ friendly gfetuber at the same time. That's not how the world works, and there's usually no having it all.
Except that unlike Finana, Reimu and others... Selen does GFE sometimes and never wrote or said some shitty opinion on her streams or Twitter
btw she use Twitch to play Apex and some games like BB / Cult of the Lamb
Sorry bro, stop projecting your failure of a oshi with mine

>>32985296
>goalpost moving
>i compared her to being a tomboy
No, you used it to excuse male collabs with better gamers than me who aren't me. That's exactly the issue.
>Sorry that Selen ruined your pedophile roleplay in that "game"
You mean the one I've never played? No need to apologize. I just love how technicolor plushies make normalfags seethe and cringe. It's like closing a pool, except contained in weaponizable reaction pngs that can hard filter neurotypical shitters. 4chan would've been a better place without GR15 keeping neurotics from being purged.
>Again, my oshi never talked or did a collab with her so i don't give a shit
That's not how cancel culture works. Guilt by association is the norm. Don't blame me, I didn't want or make society that way. But anyone who's not clearly against it (ie by continuing to be associated with a brand whose vtubers collab with bigoted leftists) is fair game.
>Literally fucking who?
>not being able to use google
Jesas. She's a 2view with an interest in language learning who intermittently makes comments in Cantonese, Japanese and Korean, talks about chinese things like snacks and food. Setting aside her being a fan of Nijisanji and into grrrrl power bullshit, I consider her style to be something multilingual vtubers can learn from if they just default to always speaking English. After all, the best teachers are everywhere.
>Selen does GFE sometimes
This is the point. It's a binary choice. A chuba can either be GFE or not, but there is no middle ground. GFE fans aren't necessarily gonna stick around behind a glass wall while the chuba they like gives special treatment to other guys who're above them in the pecking order (ie male vtubers and "pro gamers"). If a vtuber wasn't all-in on that sort of thing from the start, they'll only ever be a regular streamer competing with all the other regular streamers. And at that point, why not just watch a facecam dudebro play vidya?

>>32987081
>This is the point. It's a binary choice. A chuba can either be GFE or not, but there is no middle ground. GFE fans aren't necessarily gonna stick around behind a glass wall while the chuba they like gives special treatment to other guys who're above them in the pecking order (ie male vtubers and "pro gamers"). If a vtuber wasn't all-in on that sort of thing from the start, they'll only ever be a regular streamer competing with all the other regular streamers. And at that point, why not just watch a facecam dudebro play vidya?
Funny you mention that because Selen is better at doing GFE than a lot of Holos
besides, she never flirted or said something that could be interpreted as that, not to mention that she already said herself that she isn't into that shit and just want to game (Yes, this include the Yuri shipping, she also never liked or commented on a ship fan art)
Its a great way to collect normal gachikois / Goslings instead of Unicorns
>And at that point, why not just watch a facecam dudebro play vidya?
Because she is not a whore like most of Twitch woman (This includes Vshojo), she actually likes to stream and do a lot of projects
Sorry if she isn't your cup of tea
>That's not how cancel culture works. Guilt by association is the norm. Don't blame me, I didn't want or make society that way. But anyone who's not clearly against it (ie by continuing to be associated with a brand whose vtubers collab with bigoted leftists) is fair game.
Tell that to the others i mentioned, Selen always avoid drama and stuff like that

>>32987433
>Funny you mention that because Selen is better at doing GFE than a lot of Holos
Kek. The prerequisite for GFE is literally not cheating.
>besides, she never flirted or said something that could be interpreted as that, not to mention that she already said herself that she isn't into that shit and just want to game
Doesn't matter. Other male on screen who's not me? Unacceptable.
>Its a great way to collect normal gachikois / Goslings instead of Unicorns
Those are called simps and cucks. You can tell be ause they don't mind the vtuber they like being closer to and having fun with other men. Those are the guys who get laughed at for being doormats.
>Because she is not a whore
>she
>not a whore
Anon, if she breathes...
>Selen always avoid drama and stuff like that
Doesn't matter. She's part of a brand that sanctions and condones collabs with bigots. This sort of apologist attitude is why normalfags are so loathsome. They try to act like they're not complicit while being part of, supporting, and profiting from problematic institutions. However, as per the Nuremberg Principle, "just doing your job" is no excuse. Fact is, those who stay quiet are offering their implicit approval of that conduct by virtue of failing to separate themselves from it through public denouncement.

Now that's not to say she should say anything. It's smarter to do nothing and not make waves. However, the easy and convenient thing usually isn't the respectable thing, and therein lies the problem. Nijis are literally impossible to respect now unless they put Daph and anyone she collabed with on blast, while calling for the latter's graduation. Because if you show solidarity (silent or otherwise) with someone who platforms a bigot (at least against people who aren't equally franchised to be viscerally racist in public without consequence), that's a reflection on (You) no matter how you try to spin it.

Granted, it wouldn't be an issue were whites in the west not getting increasingly shit on by globohomo for a very long time, but we were. And now every one of use has the right to be unforgiving towards those who'd take advantage of that to shit on us while our hands are tied. That's not exactly good sportsmanship.

>>32988403
>Kek. The prerequisite for GFE is literally not cheating.
Correct, Selen just play games with the dudes unless you are a schizo who think that playing vidya is "cheat"
>Doesn't matter. Other male on screen who's not me? Unacceptable.
t.Unicorn
>Those are called simps and cucks. You can tell be ause they don't mind the vtuber they like being closer to and having fun with other men. Those are the guys who get laughed at for being doormats.
Funny because some GFE chubbas on Hololive have Boyfriends kek
>Schizoposting
Niji told me to watch what i want and ignore the rest and that's what i do
Selen does not care about all that shit so neither do i
I will keep enjoying my beloved dragon, maybe one day you will find someone who too

>>32988667
>playing vidya is "cheat"
It is. If any one of her viewers can't also hit her up for a game of (insert game) at any given time, it really is.
>t.Unicorn
Yes, obviously. Where do you think this is? Youtube chat? Twitch chat? Reddit? Twitter? Discord? Nope. This is 4chan, where anons of old expected women who wanted male attention to post nudes first.
>Funny because some GFE chubbas on Hololive have Boyfriends kek
Yes, and nobody outside their simp generals find them worth shitposting about. It's literally the final yab a chuba can make. At that point, no self respecting male anon would patronize them.
>just brain off and consoom product
Sorry, I'm not looking to be a walking ATM. At that point, if I have o standards whatsoever, I might as well support Ayame for the memes. Current record is 80 or so days without a stream. Wonder if she'll break it next time.

>nijiEN shill thread
Too obvious, they always start like OP.
>wow achkully i finally gave them a try anndd they'ree grrreeat i swear the incels are wrong i'm a total hololive fan but wow holoEN sure fucking blows and should all kill themselves you should totally watch nijiEN instead!! huge hololive fan btw

rumao

>>32961693

>>32989090
>It is. If any one of her viewers can't also hit her up for a game of (insert game) at any given time, it really is.
Must feel bad that the most of HoloEN is like that now
>I might as well support Ayame for the memes
There, you have 0 standars
You can be a Dragoon, its not too late

>>32989117
(you)

>>32963911
If you want friends so bad then why don't you make some in real life instead? I don't get the demand for 24/7 streams if you have a life outside of viewing streams, especially if you have more than one oshi. At least with Hololive, they embrace the character they're playing and each of the talents have their own skills and aspirations that make you want to cheer them on. Meanwhile with Nijisanji, it's just bland people making Twitch tier jokes (poggers, omg dick haha sex) and the only reason their audience sticks around is because they have an anime avatar attached to them.

>>32989602
I can't even keep up on clips no idea how someone watches all of even one person's streams unless they ignore everyone else and all the clips.

>>32989394
>Must feel bad that the most of HoloEN is like that now
They...always were? At least after becoming Hololive. And probably before. That kind of accessibility is usually only possible with 1views, if even then. The only thing that makes inaccessibility worthwhile is that they appear inaccessible to everyone, so there's no jealousy if there's nobody to be jealous of.
>There, you have 0 standars
>You can be a Dragoon, its not too late
I said I might as well support oni, not that I ever would. But thanks for agreeing with my point, I guess. Fact is, I'm just not interested in being locked in a cuckshed. If a chuba ain't on my level or beneath me, that's a deal breaker. Don't care about their success, only what use I can get out of 'em. And since I can't get anything worthwhile from them as a mere viewer, I don't watch.

>>32989721
Vstreaming exploded as a unicorn hobby. Ai made prescripted content, and that's true vtubing. In contrast, vstreamers are usually for parasocial relationships. The point is to pick one to stan and stick with 'em. That's why people talk about how it's important for vtubers to simulate a relationship with their chat, because that's the core appeal of vtubing. No relationship, no commitment, no point giving them any money or sticking around. In other words, unicorns are the ones who best understand the heart and soul of vtubing.

>>32990056
>Ai made prescripted content, and that's true vtubing
lmao, does Aishitter really?

>>32961693
not my problem

>>32989602
I don't know where this preconception about twitch tier humor came from? Maybe if you watch the dudes , but most girls streams really don't sound that way.

I hope Noor is paying you well

>>32961693
People hated him because he spoke the truth

>>32961838
>posting this thinking that poves hololive is better
lol
lmao even
hololive goods are buy one and done except for koyori
nijisanji you can buy 50 of them and put all those motherfucking pins on your bag and represent your oshi to everyone you see

>>32990179
he's not wrong tho?
vtubing was and should be about acting as a character in videos/streams, this streaming with an anime avatar without acting is nothing more than being a ethot

>>32961693
>I don't get it, at all.
No, you're actually getting it

>>32961693
They're pretty good, I've been watching their clips.
https://youtu.be/4pUDs0IulRk

>>32970661
>actually release schedules
Minecraft apex apex valorant
>stream as if it's their job
and they don't enjoy being constantly overworked
>genuinely love their fans
Educate yourself
>have great friendship interactions
Awkward talk about shit
>some really charismatic people
Dick pussy vagina
>tons of creativity
Ame and Kiara have more creativity than all nijien
>have a nice company culture
The ban on the mention of hololive. Great culture


I started watching vtubers because of the DCL song, but as soon as I found out about holoen and holoid, I immediately forgot about the existence of a cursed place that is now called nijien. Their pipelined content only causes boredom. Kiara and Reine turned out to be the best find for me in this hobby

>>32961693
What'ya doing there nijishill?

Daily reminder that women are only likeable under a strict moral regime which greatly limits their thoughts and actions.

>>32961693
Give actual examples OP of what you've seen, so these retards including those disgusting fanboys in hololive who're too blinded by bias to see anything else.

>>32985296
Reimu does it a little. I don't know how serious she is with it because she's spoken about if some of her base are in a relationship. Finana despite doing GFE since the start as later on by her actions has a click she hangs with offline (supposedly) sometimes these guys will expose themselves as her mod in chat. Enna doesn't do GFE with hesitance tried to call gachi's under the "parasocial" term which didn't please me at all by using that neutral term into a negative connotation.

Im willing to give niji en a shot. Reccomend a
niji female vtuber that plays games, funny, and has high energy,

>>32961693
From what I've seen they're defintely more entertaining than hololive but I refuse to watch them out if principle.

>>32961693
Enna and Fauna are my wives.

>>33020334
Purple shitpost dragon is the one

>>33020547
Enna belongs to me. Doesn't Fauna have a bf?

>>32961693
OP!!!!! DON'T FALL FOR THE MEME
THEY ARE THE SAME AS HOLOS
DON'T LISTEN TO NIJIFAGS!!!!!

>>32961693
As a completely impartial distanced observer, I have to agree. I’m OP’s boyfriend, by the way. We enjoy watching NijiEN together, although more specifically Uki.

>>33021463
Nijisanji and Nijisanji 2.0

>>33020334
Selen my beloved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfk9M3X8l3s

>>32962877
Problem
>Not loseing their identity while still doing male collabs

It's not an nigh-impossible, big brain puzzle to thing to solve but it looks like no one wants to even try solve it.

>>33029729
It is impossible. Women's identity is overshadowed by whatever man she's with. She only has one on her own. Everyone cares if you're the wife of an influential guy, while everyone will think less of you for being the house husband of an influential woman. That's just how people naturally are, and denying the greatness of hard patriarchy has been an absolute disaster.

>>32961693
nijishill should just die in 10 painful ways

It really doesn't need to be a versus situation at all. Just watch what you wanna watch.

>>33031437
I do

>>32961893
Good one Li

>>32961693
Why are holofans so much more creative than nijifans?

>>32988403
>Don't blame me, I didn't want or make society that way.
>Proceeds to act like those people and therefore, part of the problem.
Mask off really.
But seeing the rest of your posts and reading the way you talk and treat the chuubas during this back and forth told me everything I needed to know about you as a person. Kindly off yourself.

>>32961693

>>33035824
>Proceeds to act like those people and therefore, part of the problem.
Ignoring the problem and being sincere never worked. Strength, money, and charisma (the things women are attracted to) are all that matter now. Ethics and honor died a long time ago, the moment women had any say in things.
>the way you talk and treat the chuubas
You mean the grifters who expect moneyjust for showing up, playing video games and talking? Deliver my grubhub and ride my white tower, then we'll talk.
>Kindly off yourself
Bend over

>>32961693
I'm pretty sure you're not a Holo fan but I'll bite.

Holos do not stream because nowadays they do alot more than stream. YAGOO mentioned that the BLOOM concert (after 2nd Fes) is both a concert for Hololive-original concert, and also a concert that allows people who do not want to be "idol" to opt out. That's why not every members participated apparently.

Well, since then, almost every talents now mostly more on-board to non-streaming stuffs, like music-making, dancing, 3D production stuffs, voice-acting, learning all of the above etc. Hololive nowadays are way more mainstream than ever, which ironically took away from their streaming time.

If you want to join corpo, and you seriously just want to focus on stream with a good balance of freedom and corpo buffs, then Nijisanji EN is good for you. Especially if you join EN right now, then you can be a senpai to hundreds more kouhai lol.

But, if you want the combined media exposure experience, more than just streaming, then Hololive is probably the best right now. You will sing, dance, interact with powerful people in the entertainment industry, get your figures made and your dream merchs created.

>>32979468
Everyone will need to start somewhere, and deep down Hololive is almost everyone's first. Just like Pewdiepie is somewhat indicator of YT's presence as a whole, Gura is somewhat indicator of vtuber growth..... until someone can topple her anyway

>>32962877
>Finana’s “adventures”
The secret discord grooming and Valoguard shit has hurt her more than any “adventure” Also burgers don’t watch Nijisanji.

>>32976139
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

>How do you fellow hololive fans? Do you want to talk about Nijisanji with me?

>Multiple essays about how Nijisanji is better
>Tons of Hololive fans insisting Hololive is all about GFE and catering to "us" Hololive unicorns
>A bunch of shitty meme non-flattering impressions about Hololive are being passed as something good by definite huge fans of Hololive who just happen to be getting really into Nijisanji
There's nothing suspicious about this. Everything seems genuine.

>>33040553
the discord and Valoguard stuff was fake drama too, it was made by someone who didn’t like her

>>33044162
The problem is that after the educate yourself stunt, nobody believes that. It doesn't matter what you know, only what you can prove.

>>33044863
I mean it’s not only my proof, everyone has the proof to prove it was. The out of context manager bonk thing is what they used as fuel.

the educate thing shouldn’t count because after she apologized she’s actually neutral on the channel.
When she played with Sonny, several people trying to correct pronouns had their comment deleted

>>33044863
oh i also read that wrong
i can prove one thing though

>>33045290
I don’t know why holofags keep referencing that incident as some sort of terrible watershed when it was actually a massive win for vtubing.

>chuuba goes super-woke on stream
>her entire audience including year-long members turns on her and tells her to cut that shit out
>not a single one of her friends defends her even though they’re known to baby and coddle her over the silliest shit
>the instigators of the incident are exposed as being tranny groomers from FFXIV
>chuuba apologizes publicly on-stream, promises to never be that dumb again
>has never been that dumb again, in fact, and has been in an uphill battle to win back her members’ trust since
Everything that could have gone right during an incident like this went right. The system unironically worked.

>>33047264
>has never been that dumb again, in fact, and has been in an uphill battle to win back her members’ trust since
Anon, you're acting like this was a decade ago. It's been less than half a year unless I'm truly remembering it wrong. It doesn't take much to just not consistently be a retard every stream. And you're acting as though admitting it was retarded was somehow based where the majority of vtubers who have never done this shit in the first place meaning they're far more based than her.

>>33047264
For the same reason Nijifags make dumbfuck posts like the OP, pure tribalism and shitposting from people who've never actually watched any of the people they're shitting on

>>32961693
ah

>>33043355
Glad we agree

>>33047264
>terrible watershed when it was actually a massive win
It was neither. It barely mattered, except to about 20 weirdos on either side.

>>33031437
Read the rest of the thread, buddy. This is the tribalwar containment thread for now

>>32961693
>I love Hololive and still love Hololive, but what the fuck Niji EN is actually really good.
Sure you do sport...
>I've been duped by unicorns about Niji EN.. save for a few exceptions they are mostly femcels who do nothing but stream and play videogames and zatsu all fucking day. They actually care about the fans and some of them care about vtubing a lot.
Yeah Finana and Pomu really care about there fans enough to schedule a offcollab and let Uki show up unannounced, Vox cares about his fans by talking to Reimu during his ASMR and then taking Reimu's side after the backlash instead of his fans
>I mean, you can't even say the same for Myth AND Council. They stream so little that you there's doubt as to what they do in their free time for fucks sakes.
HoloEN doesn't stream 24/7 because unlike Niji they have projects, covers, MVs, recording for special appearances etc., you wouldn't know this because obviously you don't watch.
>And yet the unicorns are all in Hololive and shitpost about it 24/7.
Already went over the Finana issue and Vox issue, what about unicorns again?
>Am I the only one seeing this blatant contradiction?
No you're just plain blind but have "20/20" seemingly if it's hololive
>I don't get it, at all.
You're a retard.