/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32909195
Get a real job, fag. Only homos watch males.

>>32909195
STOP TRYING TO DESTROY HOLOLIVE FAGGOT!

>>32909195
shut up BITCH lmao

>>32909388
give me an action plan right now on how to funnel viewers to Tempus without schizos like you screeching right now, you fucks won't even think of one, I promise you.
Our biggest problem is that, even those who don't watch them start voicing their concerns on the activities that they do, due to their indirect connection to the girls.

You inbreds
>Don't want nothing to do with them
>Don't want to watch them
>Don't want the girls to collab with them
BUT ALSO
>Don't want them to talk to anyone outside of hololive
>Don't want them to do their own thing
>Just want them to be good ol sub 2k viewers in the corner

You retards are the reason why we're in this mess, and why I and Upper-management will keep scheduling coed collabs

>>32909195
Huh?

Just hire me next gen so all of the shitposting mysteriously vanished nerds.

>>32909195
Stop collabing constantly it's a crutch and lazy. Develop your own individual fandoms and communities it's the only way to distinguish yourselves.

Also, you give this shithole way too much credit, don't come here for validation there are other fan communities that can better help you guys.

>>32909195
Not reading that, kys homobeggar

>>32909630
What you're asking is similar to "well tell me how I can make as much money as women on onlyfans!". You just can't. No one wants to watch homos behind an avatar. This is not my problem.

Why is "making good content" never a consideration in this scene.

>>32909195
Femcell, worry not. I will get you pregnant. I will give your life meaning.

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh?
Graduate.

>>32909195
Forcing more co-ed collabs only makes the division worse, only increases resentment about Tempus' existence, it doesn't help. Are you fucking retarded.

The idea of tempus, brotubers who keep a dudebro audience through good humor/magnetic personalities, takes time. The top guys on Twitch doing this took like a fucking decade+ to get there. You won't reach that kind of scale instantly like how Luxiem worked because they get Chinese girls' panties in knots.

Not to mention, like 99% of us would have preferred a HoloEN3 over Tempus to begin with (like an actual one, a girl gen) because 99% of us got into Hololive for cute girls. If tempus was Luxiem-styled not really giving a shit about the Hololive girls and going hard for the female audience i.e not collabing there'd be far less division than today.

>>32909829
Good content is pointless if no one watches it

>>32909630
Collab with large indies, collab with ID girls, no one cares about them. Collab with non racidt piece of shit twitch streamers. I will watch the Scarra collab because I'm a league player and I liked him when he was a pro. Also he is genuinely a very nice guy.
If you need more help than that to hit big numbers, then you suck as streamers.

>>32909195
You know when they reached out to literally the worst wave niji ever released I should have expected it to only go downhill from there

>>32909195
An interesting post OP. Maybe I should do one for Myth and how their friendship is shattered.

No one wanted tempiss
You should have been EN3 and holoEN would have been saved

>>32909195
>WE ARE TRYING TO REACH A BIGGER VIEWER BASE
Well after collabing with EN girls you can go fuck yourselves and die in obscurity

>>32909195
>>32909630
stupid larp thread but ill bite. the problem im seeing here is not you or the audience but managements unrealistic expectations causing friction. look at the numbers holostarsjp pulls. en is already doing 5x that, you've already made it so tell them to cool it

Vesper was super cool until he walked back the "Solo content is what makes you as a streamer" comment.
Solo content is what makes you as a streamer. Collab content is fanservice, and currently, most of the fanservice being done is not the kind that any fan wants.
Vesper probably still is a great solo streamer, but I can't support him after he walked back one of the most sensible comments I've heard any vtuber make.

>>32909195
>WE ARE TRYING TO REACH A BIGGER VIEWER BASE YOU FUCKING RETARDS

Why does Corpos and Indies keep going to /vt/ is beyond me, it's both bizzare and hilarious the fact that a chunk of an industry's culture is determined by a basket weaving website.

Mumei coming here, A HoloEN 3 girl that got accepted came here for advice, fucking Nijisanji Homo came here to explain the Discord Yab, Just crazy to me.

>>32909195
Try sticking to HoloStars and not Hololive.

>>32909630
They can talk to people outside Hololive, the StarsJP approach is when they do collab with girls it's usually ones outside Hololive which suddenly changes the perception entirely.

The problem is, just there aren't a lot of people worth talking to. StarsJP can go collab with whatever indies or 774 etc but the options for Tempus are NijiEN or Vshojo - unless, they want to start acknowledging that small corpos (phase connect, tsunderia, prism etc) actually are a thing that exist. The funny thing is it'd make the small corpos seethe if for example there was a Pippa/Magni collab or something, I can see it, but that anger doesn't get routed through the Hololive girls so there is less collateral damage/division being sown within Holopro.

>>32910124
>Entire branch getting mogged by a dead chuuba
wew

>>32909195
tempiss is the side branch of a side branch. There is no reason Hololive should sacrifice EN for an unpopular branch nobody asked for.

>>32909249
Not even women? I mean Yagoo said Tempus was meant for male viewers but women doesn't watch streams?

>>32909195
Based EN killers

>>32909195
>joining an idol company as males
Fucking deserve every bit of suffering they get.

>>32910295
yagoo is wrong

>4chan replies are being cataloged into a word file as audience survey as we speak
Funny times we live in, not surprised since we have actual Cover affiliates as mods here

>>32909779
>fruitfarm ded
>reddit kek
Where do we go? Fucking do reps and post on 5ch?

>>32910240
They expected way too much of starsEN if they unironically thought they would be very-similar to Hololive girl growth.

Yeah there was a very fucking loud clamor for them - from twitter and reddit orbiters trying to jockey to position themselves as the most virtuous. I can imagine some of the "strongest supporters" really do it to try to subconsciously excuse themselves for their behavior and pretend they're not in too deep. Like their thought process is "haha nooooo I'm not a loser for donating $500 a month to this girl, because I'm fine if she talks to guys unlike those rabid incel unicorns, hahah noooo I'm not parasocial at all, despite spending thousands on her over a year, s-she's just entertaining OK."

That and also they need to consider that people can shill, misdirect and falseflag on twitter and reddit just as easily as they can here. Niji fans have some rabidly insecure people who truly believe the only way for them to get ahead is to try to cause problems with Hololive and they fucking know that guys are just an afterthought and irrelevant in the grand scheme of things so try to push collabs so they can make cuck art and sow division and jeer at fans of the girls.

>>32909630
>Boo hoo you schizos are the reason we make them collab with the grills
The absolute state of homobeggars

>>32909195
Hilarious, but I'm a raging misogynist and always advocated for gender segregation. My answer was always "entirely separate companies for male and female vtubers" along with enforcing unicorn culture with an iron fist. Stars proximity to Hololive and a lack of honor culture was always the problem.
>>32909630
>Don't want nothing to do with them
That's because men live and die based on pure, brutally unforgiving meritocracy. They need niches, skills, and talents that appeal to a male demographic, or some sort of BFE pandering for women. But those two demos are mutually exclusive, and getting both usually requires securing a male demo with a periphery female demo.
>Don't want to watch them
Fujos have Luxiem. Male weebs aren't interested in male vtubers that aren't ultra high spec and a fuckhuge money sink in terms of producing the content (ie anime and vidya). 4chan anons also pay in exposure, which at best translates into paying customers as well as periphery hustles popping up (ie fanart commissions and clip channels).
>Don't want the girls to collab with them
Don't want muh waifus anywhere near male vtubers, simple as.
>Don't want them to talk to anyone outside of hololive
Not while they're part of HoloPro and in proximity to Hololive. If they were a separate company, people might even cheer on unity. It's the issue of corruption and bad influences on Hololive.
>Don't want them to do their own thing
Homobeggars aren't human. They should be doing their own thing in an entirely separate company focused on building up male vtubers with branding and expenditures solely focused on accomplishing that.
>Just want them to be good ol sub 2k viewers in the corner
Maybe the yumes, but obviously no fan likes being irrelevant due to scaling
>give me an action plan right now on how to funnel viewers to Tempus without schizos like you screeching right now, you fucks won't even think of one, I promise you
They could always hire me as a completely unqualified consultant with a salary and benefits that are obscenely generous relative to my current geographical location. Otherwise, trying to chart out a course for Tempus' success (if it's even possible) is the job of those who actually get paid to do it.

I hate the anti-male rhetoric because my only real problem with Tempus is that they're legitimately not very good. Their best singer isn't top 20 in the company, none of them produce any kind of content and just stream off hand, and they're all really boring personalities except that they're chill and cool enough that they'd be fun to hang out with which is not entertainer material. They're all below par for holoen and all below par for holostars.

But it's impossible to critique them because it always boils down to unicorns hating on them for having penises and incels defending them because they're already treating them as parasocial best friends.

Should have never bothered with homoEN to begin with.

>>32910140
Perhaps we are the true entertainers and they come to learn from us.
The true vtuber is inside of us.

>>32910526
Yes 5ch and 2ch are options. I'm pretty sure I've seen Axel on there. Also, fancords. Also, you can talk to JPstars and NijiEN boys too.

You all should be doing your reps from day 1, anyways. I'm looking forward to your future collabs with the boys.

This larp is too tryhard to be a larp, why is Management here? fuck off

>>32909630
Be good streamers, the fags named off a ton of good streamers that they looked up to in their debuts and shit, they know what a good streamer looks like. Just be better

>>32909388
it is not their fault that your oshi is a whore and/or tries to use them to normalize male collabs just so they can collab with ecelebs

>>32909630
>how to funnel viewers
You can't. People that want to watch female vtubers won't watch male ones. There's no funneling here. There never really was much if any funneling from collabs in first place. You will get maybe once nice number for collab and then you return to shit numbers on solo stream. Streamers die and live based on their SOLO content.

>4chanSurvey.docx [saved]

>>32910764
>Yes 5ch and 2ch are options
Doesn't 2ch cull criticism? 5ch would probably be better.
>Also, fancords
Problem is, fancords don't necessarily care about the vtubing ecosystem and are literal cults of personality who'd burn the rest of the world down for their oshi. If avoiding drama is the goal, asking cultists and simps probably isn't a good idea.
>Also, you can talk to JPstars and NijiEN boys too
Luxiem killed Niji's relevance on /vt/ outside of the Niji generals, killed the split generals, and eventually turned the main general into pure cancer. Stars JP is why nobody wants to even bother doing reps. If not being irrelevant to or shit on by /vt/ is the goal, they're bad examples to follow.
>You all should be doing your reps from day 1
Every vtuber working for a Japanese company should. Japanese company. Japanese connections. Japanese vtubers to collab with. Focusing only on the west is a mistake.
>>32911188
It is if they accept.
>>32911262
>People that want to watch female vtubers won't watch male ones
That's not true. They will...providing the content is good enough. And by good enough I mean expensive, checks off all the right boxes to draw in male attention. But since every guy has his own tastes and interests, actually figuring out what to make is the tricky part. It ultimately has to compete with cute girls doing cute things, anime, manga, vidya, self improvement, or anything else a man could be doing with his time. And without the cute girl buff, Stars' appeal entirely hinges on QUALITY.
>There's no funneling here. There never really was much if any funneling from collabs in first place. You will get maybe once nice number for collab and then you return to shit numbers on solo stream. Streamers die and live based on their SOLO content.
Truth. Collabs are only really worthwhile if a collab partner is unknown. It gives them exposure as well as someone to play off of, in order to sell them to an audience that may have never heard of them or give them a chance. But since everyone knows Tempus, collabs are basically worthless. They'd actually be a net risk, as seeing the other less known streamers Tempus collabs with might cause them to jump ship. It's an issue of having a brand with high discoverability but lower value. That value needs to be built up, just as Hololive JP built up theirs.

>>32910295
No women watch Tempus, it's literally just Hololive viewers watching Tempus. People said in this very board when they were announced how obvious it was they were meant for men

ok so if magni is okay with 39daph who is okay with hasan who is having a feud with sam hyde
does this mean we can get a magni dezmond vs sam hyde fight going?

>>32912389
>does this mean we can get a magni dezmond vs sam hyde fight going?
for the content of course.
we also need to turn sam hyde 2d for this to happen

The funniest part of this is people actually treating this as if they're speaking directly to Tempus, like they don't have managers, coworkers and friends from their PLs in the streamer/content creator worlds giving them advice and they need to go begging on the internet for ideas.

Gura mentioned watching youtuber boxing so she has probably heard of Sam Hyde, and she makes sexist jokes some times. Gura should box Magni to determine the fate of hololiveEN.

>>32912499
I just enjoy the larp and having the fantasy of the management trying to listen.

Damn, they could have specified in the beginning "Do not ship us with the girls, we are not interested in them and never will" or at least try to act as the audience wingman, and then being seen as true bros by the fans, gaining money and respect instead of irrelevancy and hate. So fucking dumb

>>32909195
reach for a rope and wrap around your neck faggot

If there really is demand for male vtubers why are there no companies focused on males alone?

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh?
Die, immediately.

>>32912235
Looks like any future male EN needs to do bfe and interact with NijiEN/small corpo women exclusively just to stay alive

>>32913130
This

>>32913130
not helpful

>people are unironically replying to a LARP thread

>>32913373
>he doesn't know this is altare

>>32912235
Then why are the threads full of fujoshi and women?

>>32910295
Tempus don't bait yumes or fujos, women don't give a fuck about them.

>>32912235
I'm a woman and I'm only posting here because I like Tempus, I don't care about any of the Hololive girls at all.

Women absolutely do watch Tempus streams. Look at who is drawing the fan art of them or the comments every time Axel sings or Altare plays the cello.

>>32909195
Fuck you, dillweeds, you worthless scum, don't even DM the girls or you'll be sent to the shadow realm. If you're very lucky, your existence will be forgotten.

>>32913130
Yeah this. No one wanted Tempus. Fucking explode.

>>32909249
FPBP

>>32909249
fpbp
Fuck homos, should have stayed in their lane, now they are ruining what made hololive special

The moment Tempus thought Mori is good that is the moment they got screwed.
I gave Tempus a chance and I thought they would be starsJP and respect the girls to be separate but boom they listen to Mori thinking it is good to accept this coed collab.
Now I can see slow and steady decline for them Holo fans wouldnt give them a chance now so goodluck.

>People that want to watch female vtubers won't watch male ones
>That's not true. They will...providing the content is good enough.

HAHAHAHA

>>32909195
You should have been like stars JP but speaking englihs you stupid imbeciles, people who is fan of the girls dont consider stars part of hololive, they (me) dont want a shaed space, collabs should be rare and sparce, not this shit.

>when your talent has a more valid and sensible opinion of collabs than Management

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglhuBm9QY8

>solo content should be your channel's mainstay and what draws people in to your channel
>collabs shouldn't be platforms for clout or boosting, they should be because A) you like or respect the person and want to collab with them or B) you want to learn from them so you can get ideas for your own channel
>Collabs purely for the sake of collab boosting are lazy and a dead end in the long run if your solo content can't carry you forward
EN management moment.

Well if they want to grow they have to network because their brand, HoloStars, isn't good enough on its own to carry them. But who do you network with? I feel like they should hang with NijiEN. I'm pretty sure all of them would be cool with it but it would be a management thing in the end. They could take a chance on the smaller corpos but that's a bit more dangerous since they're not as regulated. Twitch streamers? Same problem but more amplified. They might could use Mouse for more exposure. I don't know it feels like they're being hamstrung for being in holostars.

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh
Nothing, Mr.Homo. I expect you to die.

boys are fine
boys collabing with girls who ask is fine
collab beggars are scum

>>32909630
1) It’s quite simple bait poster: get more permissions for more games.
2) cultivate their skills, we all know Vesper Oji is an IT computer nerd. Request that he cultivates an audience that are interested in such things. Magni likes drawing, more drawing streams. Altare? Well tell him to stop being a fucking pussy and start playing league. We don’t care about rage, just that they play a game where they show how skillful they are. Have Axel talk about singing and music more.
3) stop bonking then for shitty toilet humor. The best way to get someone to say: “hey these guys ain’t so bad!” Is for them to have a little more comedic freedom. A shit or penis joke goes a long way to cultivate fans.

Lastly, you need to tell your female talents to start putting their foot down about their GFE behavior. Tell them to be upfront about themselves, like “hey, ya know, we are our own people. We aren’t interested in such relations with Tempus other than them being coworkers. And if you’ve ever worked a job, coworkers have to work together.”

Like how are you guys so fucking stupid to not even realize how fucking easy it is to cultivate an audience?

>>32909195
tits or gtfo

>>32914502
>Like how are you guys so fucking stupid to not even realize how fucking easy it is to cultivate an audience?

EN was basically a turnkey operation until Tempus showed up because the girls blew up incredibly quickly. Unicorns/Gachikois grew in the shadow of their success like mushrooms and EN Mana didn't realize the issues they would have once they were exposed to sunlight.

>>32914380
>collabs weekly with hololive
What did he mean? Surely vespie, our granpire, couldn’t be completely full of shit and lying about himself to look good

>>32914447
> they're being hamstrung for being in holostars.
That is because Hololive fans don’t want to watch them. They don’t want to watch them because they are mediocre streamers who disrespect the existing audience.

>>32909195
no one cares if they collab with iluna wtf are you talking about?

>>32914735
Anonchama, reading/viewing comprehension reps
> they should be because A) you like or respect the person and want to collab with them or B) you want to learn from them so you can get ideas for your own channel
He does regular solo streams too. If he ONLY did collabs weekly you'd have a leg to stand on.

>>32914878
>no one cares if they collab with iluna
sweet nigger child

>>32914891
He’s spamming collabs with literally anyone who will have him because he’s a clout chaser

>>32909195
go back to sucking your boyfriend's dick, oboretai.

>>32914735
>get asked to collab by Mori/Bae
>can't refuse to not look like the asshole of the group
He probably found himself in the same position as the girls

>>32909195
STOP COLLABING WITH THE GIRLS, COLLAB WITH STARS JP

>>32915125
>two collabs with people outside his gen in the last three weeks
>three collabs with his genmates to discuss things like TTRPG, playing a game together (PZ was a kino episode btw) and an interview
>5 collab streams out of 30

>>32915242
The cult like worship and cope surrounding the homos is fascinating. He's just a lying fag sis.

>>32914380
That was the comment the vampire walked back a collab or two later.
>>32910105

>>32915242
>can't refuse to not look like the asshole of the group
Incorrect

>>32915587
One in six of his videos since debut have been with a Myth member and that’s counting the ban period. He’s a leech like the rest.

>>32914264
Anon, I cut my teeth on anime with male protagonists. No homo. Now how much do you think those anime cost? I'd wager a lot. That's the issue. Women can get by just by being cute and nice. In contrast, without the "I wanna fuck this woman" buff, Stars needs to produce high quality entertainment on the level with successful, well funded content creators. That takes creativity and usually a heavy investment.
>>32914380
>does hololive collabs anyway
>>32914447
>if they want to grow they have to network
Or exploit word of mouth advertising by creating a cult following via the production of content people actually enjoy. If Sam and Bruce could do Evil Dead, which gets shown in theaters decades later as a special event to a theater that's not completely empty, Cover should've been able to find some use for Stars EN before even accepting applications.

>>32910140
You are a gullible idiot

schizo and unicorn thread lol
im out m8

>>32915880
>dish it out but can’t take it

>>32909630
>Pointless money sink is being a pointless money sink
>How do we make them something they're not?
They will always be sub 2k because nobody wants to watch males. This situation only exists because they decided to make the obviously retarded decision to make a male branch for EN. The best solution would be to admit they're a failure and cancel the branch entirely or to let them exist in solo obscurity, never letting them out of the cage. There is no way that they couldn't have foreseen that yagoo's small pet project V2 wouldn't bring in the big bucks so your LARP is also shit

>>32915839
You are a cynical nigger

>>32910140
Meds

>>32910437
Burn the heretic

>>32914447
NijiEN males' audience is like 80-90% chiefly because of a female audience however, which is rather different. It'd be interesting to see how the audiences mix I guess but they're rather different aims.

For what Tempus seems to be wanting to do/be there isn't really much else like it. Rather, this is the same niche that usually is 1view deadend for like literally a fucking thousand+ random dudes on twitch who just wanted to be your cool bro streamer. Vesper was one of the very few kinda-successful ones of those and it shows, but otherwise Cover chose the exact route people kept pointing to to say dude vtubers just aren't that viable and don't have a big audience unless it's girls soaking their panties. After all, brotubers are competing with literally every other male streamer functionally because the buff of having a cool model doesn't mean a lot vs the content. Content content content.

>>32909195
>>32909630
Bait post but i answer anyway. I Work with marketing in real life, if those idiots didn't started those stupid collabs, they would have the chance to grow a male fanbase, since there's demand for a brotuber, but instead, now they face their wrath, by being unable to hold their dicks inside their pants, IN THE FUCKING FIRST MONTH OPENLY LUSTING FOR CO-WORKERS. Do they actually expected being able to build a fanbase acting like a dog on heat? Turbo retards.

>Talks too much, play too little.
Not only these retards lack skills, also don't have a good taste for gaming.
>Catching air while singing.
Both Axel and Regis, were catching breath during karaokes too many often, and the pauses were way too long, to the point it became noticeable.
So with that said, we have an branch that is:
Half-assed players.
Half-assed singers.

Solutions:
>Starting fucking running daily, and train to use your nose more than your mouth to breath.
>Breakfeast must always have:
2 Apples, Honey, Fiber and Orange/Lemon juice.
>Leeching without collab:
Simply play the same game a Hololive who pulls big numbers played previously. It's very likely their fanbase won't be satisfied with the amount they played or with their level of skill, when that happens, you can become an alternative while they're not playing. Might not work now that they're all hated lol. Deserved.
>Becoming average/good FPS players.
FPS is a market for normies, and there is always demand for that. Becoming relatively good will atract people regardless if you want or not. Try to befriend streamers outside Hololive who have an average fanbase and carry them on the matches, Laplus did it for stance, but at the worst way possible, Towa succeeded. Males are naturally skilled for those kind of games, so it shouldn't be a challenge for these quartet of ruffians.
>Sing K-POP.
Shitty music, but unfortunately has a growing marketing and colossal demand for whatever reason.

>>32909388
Isn't the one destroying Hololive actually yourselves gatekeeping the community so hard? What happens the day when you get bored/fed up/etc. and move on anyways? Who will be there to replace you if you have scared everyone else away? Right now you unicorns are acting like locusts, you want a product that only benefits you and when you eventually fuck off you won't care that you are leaving behind a dried up husk that will not be appreciated by anyone else.

>Feds don't go to /r9k/
>Jews don't go to /pol/
>Smart people don't go to /sci/
>Writers don't go to /lit/
AND MOST ESPECIALLY
>Vtubers dont go to /vt/

>>32916463
No

>>32909630
Fucking retards, maybe become something women want to watch? Just like vox did? And by the way, is not him why cover is so commited to push this shit? Why the fuck didn't use the same strat and instead went the brotuber route? Why the hell would I watch an anime man? Even worse, why would I watch an anime man interacting with my anime waifu? Stop relying on the girls and management shilling for you and do your own thing to attract attention from the untapped market, here is an idea, aim for the kpop stan circles, they may not care about 2D but there may be some that do, in the long run funneling viewers from there may come slowly but it has a better chance than trying to force shit down my throat.
Also, there is one and only one exception were I would give the homos a chance and that is dwarf fortress, is too autistic to let it pass.

>>32916463
Yeah, we should be receptive to ledditors who hate idol culture and the essence of the Hololive. Why drive away a loyal audience to attract tourists who will jump ship?

>>32917238
How many of the JP girls actually subscribe to idol culture willingly and how many just put up with it due to the fans?

>>32916493
Echoing for truth. When I'm at home on lit I can't exactly advertise myself and you get tired of seeing puking madotsuki as cataloggers tease your works.
I've been hazed for over a decade on this site Vtubers soul searching her can deal. I'm dealing no worse than I've been dealt.
I like this rp thread tho.

>>32909896
>collab with ID girls
I'll let tempus fuck all HoloID girls if Yagoo give me Manca for StarsID
Then it's a deal
If not, stick with HoloEn girls please. It's embarrassing how the EN girls barely support Tempus. Hyping tempus is not indonesian fans' responsibility, it should be HoloEN's fans

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh?
Kill yourselves. Short of that graduate.

>>32917789
Are you the anon who used to make KFP threads and blog about being an author in them

>>32909195
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS CONTINUE YOUR SPORE PLAYTHROUGH MAGNI.
MARKIPLIER FINISHED HIS FUCKING VANISHED PLAYTHROUGH AFTER BEING STUCK, GOING INSANE AND HATING THE GAME FOR SEVERAL HOURS YET BABY'S FIRST STRATEGY GAME IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU.

>>32917687
Nobody forced them to join Hololive

>>32909630
>Don't want them to talk to anyone outside of hololive
Veibae? the trash faggots? Silvervale? The tranny shark? Yeah no thanks, indies? As long as is not one of those vtwitters pushing identity politics it should be fine, nijis? Should be fine, small corpos? Should be fine with maybe the exception of pippa.
>Don't want them to do their own thing
Their own thing being male collabs and tt interviews?
>Just want them to be good ol sub 2k viewers in the corner
The sub 2k are the ones that do all you fags are pushing, hololive is where it is by doing what has been doing, claiming that this male branch will save hololive from irrelevance is delusion, I understand that yagoo wants to save the homos but the answer lies not in shilling but on improving them.

>>32918065
Kek yes. I'm pretty active, I'm surprised I haven't been queried on that for a long time.
Since Kiara went back home I don't participate in her general anymore. I'm a man of the catalog. Old habits die hard.
I'm getting a lot of entertainment out of Tempus as you can tell.

>>32915833
Since you gave me a (you) I'll give you one back, but man you gotta accept that there's people that no matter what, won't be watching dudes because that's just fucking gay

>>32910606
>Tempus is that they're legitimately not very good. Their best singer isn't top 20 in the company,
Yeah I expect some better singers

>>32910606
Vesper is good, plays different games then the rest of en and is pretty entertaining. Don't really care about the rest very much. IF the aussie starts singing a bunch more I'll probably check him out.

>>32909630
First of all you could start by learning english

>>32910048
Management probably knows but they may also want luxiem numbers without understanding the context of where those numbers came

>>32909195
1. They're already significantly more popular than Stars JP. They've succeeded. If you expect them to reach the girls' level of popularity then lol. Stop being unrealistic and be content with what you have. The JP Stars are happy with their <1k viewers. How tf does 2k+ not satisfy you jfc.
2. THEY DON'T EVEN FEEL LIKE STARS EN. All the co-ed collabs do is make them feel more like Holo EN than Stars EN. Fucking Mori calls them part of Hololive when they're STARS, not LIVE. If they keep with the co-ed collabs, they'll just keep attracting more hate and grow even more distant from their JP Stars.

I never wanted EN Stars to happen. Neither did any of the JP Stars. The branch itself was a mistake. But now that it's happened, at least make them feel like a part of Stars and not Live ffs. At this rate, they'll never be half as good as the JP stars and just lurk in EN's shadow.

>>32918846
It's only gay if they make it gay, like Regis, Altare, Vox, and others. I've watched JP male streamers who could stream without pandering to women. Their numbers weren't very high and they streamed niche games, but they were just shooting the shit and having fun. That's what it means to be a real brotuber. It's the furthest thing from Stars style BFE vtubing. It's informal and unprofessional, which is entirely the point. Guys don't look at the clean shaven guy in a suit who follows all the rules and think he's a bro. We'd rather watch the unkempt guy drunkenly playing league, cursing at literal children and dropping n bombs all over the place. In other words, we do like male streamers, just not the ones women like.

>>32909195
mag would probably literally suck jerma's cock so do that

>>32920926
> this rate, they'll never be half as good as the JP stars and just lurk in EN's shadow.
Oh don’t worry OP they’re going to force themselves into Hololive and fuck that all up too. EN is over. I hope my oshii graduates.

>>32921116
That sounds tiring and sophomoric. I’ve never watched anyone like that.

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh?
kys

>>32909195
>>32909630
Fuck off leave us alone

what a strange circle jerk this thread is
do you guys read your schizo shit after you post?
all these headcanons clashing and yet no one has said anything that comes close to a sane post

>>32909195
>>32909630
What a retard.

>>32909195
>The amount of retards eating the bait
Jesus christ

good. fuck them
hope they remain at sub 200k

>>32909630
If you want Luxiem numbers pander to the Luxiem audience. Hint: Its not people who like mixed collabs

>>32921905
Because you're a woman or a fag. Being a loose cannon is the point. It's wild. Entertaining. A departure from the norm. Guys don't watch guys because they're charming, charismatic and attractive. We watch 'em because their antics make us chuckle, or they're good enough at what they play to ruin other people's days while us viewers laugh about it.
>>32922132
>>32922392
>come to catalog thread
>complain it's a catalog thread
For what purpose

>>32922677
No this is just a /v/tard thing. Everyone else thinks your ecelebs are annoying and wants them to go away.

>>32922815
That's funny, I feel the same way about (You)

>>32913373
I see bait thread I bite
I see a rrat I beleb et
I see larp thread I respond in the most serious way possible
Simple as

>>32910295
I dont want to watch and support a fag. Even if hes the coolest guy ever, if hes fucking with my bread and butter.
I came to hololive first and foremost for idol and cgdct shit, and im not happy with those faggots trying to worm their way into it.

>>32909249
Tell this to hologirls, get a real job instead pandering to loser unicorns

>>32929736
>meanwhile, pandering to fujos and yumejoshi is fine

>>32929916

>>32909195
Tell them to suck this .l.

>>32927106
based internet antics enjoyer

>>32909195
>What the hell do you fuckers want us to do huh?
You have my permission to die.

>>32915630
He walked that back? I found myself agreeing to it too. Which stream was this?

>>32932085
He didn't. People here just think that because he collabed with the EN girls after being invited, but he's never said or done anything that proves that he walked back on it. If his content was 50% or more collab focused I'd agree with the accusations but that's not the case

>>32916345
>Simply play the same game a Hololive who pulls big numbers played previously.
I would actually want to watch if one of them can beat holocure stage 1 hard mode with my oshi.

>>32916345
>2 Apples, Honey, Fiber and Orange/Lemon juice
imagine the ringo

>>32910606
It's amazing, and implies to me that there are genuinely no talented English speaking men that have an interest in joining hololive.

>>32916493
we already know livers go to /vt/

>>32934463
Who is your oshi? Management is here by the way

>>32934463
Damn if it's that easy to get views I should become a vtuber.

>>32936139
If your a man who is talented enough to get decent views, then the rules of corpo will generally just hold you back and male viewers don't really care about a anime png and are perfectly fine watching goblins who bath once a week if the content is good.

>straight
>married
>good, stable job
>property owner
>day 1 member of each Tempus member
>casually learning japanese to watch more JP Stars streams
Your oshi and every HoloEN, JP, and ID harpy is boring and annoying. Men do everything better, vtubing is no exception.

>>32936860
True, I watch Oney Plays after all.

>>32936959
you sound like a faggot

>>32937009
I will watch lolcow dudes for entertainment but I refuse to watch faggot anime PNGs talking about anything. Tempiss was a mistake. Hope Magni is seething being the shitter of his group with how well his RM did.

>>32922132
What do you expect from schizos that try a make their headcanon fit what narrative that suits them? Internally StarsEN was expected to be around 3views by about the third week. However they've exceeded those expectations. StarsEN was to be like Myth, get some talents, give them support and see what happens. Yagoo wanted it to be like how StarsJP was setup with the target audience being more male oriented (Just like hanging with your boys, this is partly why the dumb dingo keeps saying it.) He was really happy about the StarsJP and StarsEN L4D collab and the aftermath of it.

>>32936959
Kill yourself

>>32909195
Please do not collab with vshitshow. That is all.

>>32909195
>reaches out to 39daph who is openly hateful and throws around anti-white slurs as one of Hasan friend's
>people are understandably angry someone with racist far left politics is getting close to Hololive

>>32938117
what the fuck people get mad at white slurs? If someone unironically called me a mayo monkey I'd just laugh in their face and walk away.

>>32938117
Oh no...

>>32938117
This was where they lost me. Vtubers were an escape from this

>>32938117
It would be one thing if they started playing League and got Tyler1 or something, but why would management let them collab with someone who is part of a group that is 100% political grifting/pandering? What the fuck is their Management doing? Only thing good about them is they allow lots of different games.

>>32938117
White people are snowflakes huh.

>>32938117
her last bf was half white, she doesn't even believe what she says

>>32909630
Bait post but I'll bite. Start doing something creative?

If they wanna be a big brotuber, look at the ones out there (vtuber or otherwise) they are all doing soemthing different. Play sub recommended games, play shitty games, be actually good at a game, like forge your identity and your niche. All these homos been doing is collabs after collabs after collabs which pisses ppl that already dont care about them off

>>32941241
This is good advice. All the streamers I watch have some niche. Speedrunning, challenge runs, massive game collection, just good at everything.

>>32938976
I have to agree. The few times I've had anti-white "slurs" directed at me I have had to struggle to suppress a smile and giggles. They may represent hatred, but they all sound so silly.

>>32909630
Make porn with Mori.

>>32941424
The only thing that bothers me about white "slurs" is that they believed that something retarded like mayo monkey would actually hurt me.

>>32938976
the people using them are exactly the kind of people to get upset at getting called yellow monkeys, sandnigger, niggers etc

>>32909195
Maybe tell omegatroon to kys. I dont like him and you should too, magni

>>32938976
It's the hypocrisy. You think Magni would collab with someone who called people niggers on stream? Letting it slide just reinforces the idea that anti-white hatred is fine but not against other races.

>>32909195
They shouldn't exist, the vtuber market isn't for men to exploit, but to consume.

NO COLLABS WITH TWITCH WHORES

>>32940029
There's nothing more fragile than an American black person.

>>32909195
All I see is the homo become nothing but catalyst of Nijification. If the homo success omega will hire more of them. I don't want that happen

>>32941590
That's a fair point and probably a better reason than what I said. I won't really use this as a point against Magni though. He's a nice guy and collabing with someone once doesn't mean you share all the same beliefs and take the same actions as them.

>>32941607
Are you fucking stupid? All vtuber corps are for the profit of men.

Anyways, OP honestly I don’t know what to tell you because although there’s certainly a straight girl market for vtubers a significant amount of girls who are into vtubers are in it for the girls in the first place. I know I am. I’m certainly attracted to men, but I still just have no desire to watch male vtubers (but at least i’m not going to have to be sent to a psych world when girls i like collab with males)

>>32936139
>>32936860
Stars JP and Nijisanji JP both have a lot of amazing male talents though. I don't know why the EN scene would be any different that we can't ffind any personalities on par with Roberu or Kenmochi. People who think Nowa is good at zatsudan is seriously missing out on what the actual good stuff is. There's also plenty of great male singers in the general YouTube sphere buut the best male singers in the EN vtubing scene are far worse than the best female singers when JP corporations have ridiculous male talents running around.

>>32941816
>All I see is the homo become nothing but catalyst of Nijification. If the homo success omega will hire more of them. I don't want that happen
The on real answer to this thread

EVERYONE FUCK OFF

Captcha: Tomoe Umari has a discord boyfriend

>>32909195
Are you an idiot? In case you haven't noticed, IT'S WORKING so just keep doing it. Screechers and schizos here have no influence and 90% of the backlash falls on the girls anyway. And stop spending time trying to read opinion here.
Not directed at the LARPer but maybe someone who matters stumbles into this place. I hope not.

>>32941902
Altare was actively censoring people trying to point it out. They know. And again would this be used as a defense for him if he collabed with someone who was openly racist against blacks?

>>32942512
Yeah you're right I just like these guys to much too stay mad at them

>>32942446
If your goal is to kill off HoloEN then yeah it's working

>>32911878
>Doesn't 2ch cull criticism?
Our moderator doesn't do shit, he banning only guro and copro schizos.

>>32910606
I had some hope for them but man I feel let down. Axel is basically Zeta’s pet (no seriously, he’s always in her chat and talks about how he hangs out with her off stream) and can’t do solo content for shit, Regis is Kobo’s pet and only shines in collabs by bantering, Magni is the personification of reddit and an e-celeb chaser and Vesper mostly appeals to other male boomers and girls (and guys) with daddy issues and made himself the memelord by referencing 90’s and 00’s memes. At least they have better chemistry than Myth/Council but that’s not saying much considering that’s scraping the bottom of the barrel.

>>32943631
even after all this i still think vesper has potential, he just needs time to develop. i dont have any hope for the other 3

>>32938117
YOU CAN GET BLOCKED BY REGIS FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FUCKING FAGGOT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>32936959
Based holobro enjoyer

>>32944563
/MANS/ in arms, we are.

>>32910172
>NijiEN
not happening
their producer is the guy we fired for fucking up our TW statement and feeding lies to the CN girls.
until he's fired, neither of us wants to do anything with each other.

>>32909195
>The higher ups keep kicking us to get a fucking higher viewer base
stop larping Paul Li

>>32944774
>>32944814
/#/ found the thread.

>>32909195
I know this is a LARPER but just in case someone from the homos is reading:
I didn't ask for you, i didn't want you to be there, i didn't want you to try to be assimilated into HoloEN instead of being your own thing and sincerely you're one of the symptoms of the cancer that is eventually going to destroy every thing that was nice and unique about corpo vtubing.
You're not getting any helping from me.

>>32916463
Holo JP which is way more restrictive than EN on this issues have being doing as well as ever since they turn an idol company 3 years ago.

>>32938976
It's impossible to insult us because we're not thin-skinned like other races. Only blacks and actually inferior races chimp out at that kind of thing.

It's just the fact he signs off on this behavior along with Regis and pretends he can't see it. I had a lot of good faith towards Tempus too, especially Magni, but if they want to play that game, I can pretend I don't see them and their channels either.

>>32941902
>>32942512
They are far leftists, so take from that what you will, considering Magni is openly a fan of Daph and possibly Hasan. They were dunking on Jordan Peterson (right wing personality) unprompted on stream, which again, somehow slid under the radar of management.

>>32945255
This, let me lend you a hand on destroying the homos till they stop leeching with the girls

>>32945731
>slip
>omegatroon
it's intenional

>>32916463
Your premise is stupid because what is being gatekept is the disruptive behavior from external influences and communities, not people genuinely interested in Hololive as is. Anyone who's in just to enjoy the content they provide is most certainly welcome.

>>32909195
>try to reach out to nijisanji viewerbase
Funny, Nijisanji is trying to do that too.
Doesn't seem to be going well for them lmao

>>32909195
Well they're idiots for trying to suck views instead of slowly establishing their own thing. I now understand why Holo has 3 months ban collab.

>>32909630
Have one of the Homos kill themselves, that would get tons of press.

>>32941175
Leftist gook belongs in a shallow grave

>>32909195
>>We try to reach out to Twitch viewerbase through 39Daph
Fat fucking chance there.
All you did was expose yourself and show us what views you hold.
Fuck off.

>>32916463
You gotta be fuckin' retarded.

>>32938117
I wish more people embraced those who openly were racist, I wish we lived in a world where the Japanese didn't have to tip-toe around important topics as not to offend. BUT, I don't want that in vtubing. I can't be mad at niggers 24/7, vtubers are where I go to calm down so my rage doesn't turn homicidal and stays compartmentalized as political.

>>32942323
4 guys already created a huge amount shitstorms since the day they debut. How many yab until management realize their only talent is causing troubles?

>>32909195
We want you to disband Tempus, what part of that do you not understand?

>>32945731
Their attitude toward a political figure showed they want to bring politic into hololive and ruin everything again

>>32909195
>the absolute state of homofaggots
Tempus is the worst thing that happened not to HoloEN, not to HoloJP, not to HoloID, not to STARSJP, but to the entirety of cover.
They're unfunny leeches that deserve nothing but to get laughed at like the clowns they are. StarsJP compared to them are actual chads and paragons of idol likeness, these faggots have nothing worthwhile going on in them besides their depression. Fuck off and kill yourselves.

is this the only medium/subculture whatever where you can unironically say "men are ruining it" and plenty of dudes out there would agree with you?

>>32910606
I think this is the real problem
Their recruiting process for women doesn't translate well to men because men can't be expected to just shut up and look cute. They have to be good at something. Or bring some kind of skill to streaming that translates well to interest.

Can anyone name that for Tempus? like one skill one of them have which is really good that they could run whole streams off of.

>>32909195
Eat shit and die, try to say NO when some whores tries to approach you

>>32948019
Men can stream with no effort and gain a following by simply being fun and entertaining on Twitch. They don't need an avatar like women, who need to "be pretty", to even have a chance to get noticed.

If a man is in vtubing is either to cater to fujos or because he's a failure that needs crutches. There are men with no jawlines and full of pimples that put on a camera on Twitch, stream and become popular.

>>32948117
>that put on a camera on Twitch
You don't even need that to become moderately popular. There's a myriad of high 3-low 4 views that just put up no cam, at all.
Some reach even higher echelons.

>>32910606
This but people don't get it

They're not fun and no amount of shilling will change this. Seriously, compare any of Tempus with Roberu. Night and day

>>32910606
The biggest problem they have, to me, is that they're trying to be like these huge and important streamers. Two of them want to be like Northernlion, one of them wants to be like Jerma- and if so, why would I watch a pale imitation instead of the real deal? Jerma streams enough himself and does wild shit that they'll never be able to, NL streams 25 hours a week, reliably, every week and excels at what he does (just being a stellar conversationalist and comedian) to an extend that they'll never reach.

Thing is, I really did give them a chance. Watched virtually every single stream of theirs within like the first 2-3 weeks.
But they're just not great streamers, at all. They had some funny moments, they generally gel with each other, but there was nothing amazing. There's also just no real reason as to why I wouldn't just rather watch who they themselves watch.

>>32909195
>muh schizos aren't happy about us ruining something they like with our leeching
I'd say kys but luckily you're already doing it kek
Unsurprisingly EN males can't behave to save their lives, hell they could barely last a month before trying to ruin Hololive.
That said, its not like they should take all the blame, those ENwhores are just as guilty, if not more so
t. rare anon who watches males, just not ones who try to ruin other fanbases with their unprofessional faggotry

>>32909249
fpbp

>>32948117
>If a man is in vtubing
He could just be a chad who's having fun with it, but that's very fucking rare I imagine.

>>32909195
This is obviously a larp, but in case any corpo is watching
Just fucking stream you retard
The reason the growth for myth has been lower than expected is that during the last half year or so they barely been streaming
Why do you think the small corpos has been growing? Hololive EN dropped the fucking ball
You wanted a male gen with less pushback?
Then make concrete rules on how they will act and stand by it, uncertainty creates pointless fucking drama
You want twitch?
Then, stream on fucking twitch, just collabing with someone who is on twitch provides 0 growth

>>32909195
HoloEN management is stupid and does not understand that they cannot just push out NijiEN males from their niche by parroting them. Hololive is not Nijisanji - they have different style of making things, different vchuubas and different viewers with different expectations. Trying to push themselves into niche that is already taken and is generally not in interest of actual Hololive viewers was retarded as fuck, especially that in their greatness, management also dragged girls into it because why fucking not.

I feel sorry for Tempussies and I feel sorry for girls. They could do their own things and collab in more natural way when there will be time for it but no, Munugurs want Nijisanji's audience.

>>32948900
>He could just be a chad who's having fun with it
...And 100 other delicious copes you can tell yourself.
You don't apply to a big corporation to "have fun", fucking mongoloid. Homobeggars truly love to sneak around

>>32936959
I kneel

>>32945731
Gross. I don't even care if they're leftoids, I assume most of them are, just keep it out of the streams. Being an actual fan of Hasan massively lowers my estimation of Magni though

>>32948463
>why would I watch a pale imitation instead of the real deal?
That's pretty much my issue, and the reason why I never cared about male vtubers in the first place. Conversely, I do not believe there are many female streamers at the level of top HoloJPs, especially Pekora.
When I first got into vtubers I already had (and still have) my viewer habits in place, only thing they got me to do was start watching female streamers for once, since Hololive offered something pretty much unique from what I was used to. Can't say the same for males.

>>32949144
I thought you were just talking in general, like indies and shit. You were talking about dudes just streaming on twitch after all, they're not part of companies.

>>32948900
whoever they are, none can top nyanners' bf

he's the personification of all of /vt/'s worst fears, literal chad womanizer who met her in a collab, started dating/fucking her like a month or two later, and her viewers got to watch her verbally suck his dick on stream multiple times soon after

>>32949221
I never watched female streamers before vtubing. They're not entertaining at all without the cute anime girl element. Only a very few top Holos could make it as fleshtubers without whoring themselves like Amoranth.

>>32949232
Fair enough, sorry for sperging out at you
In any case if you really want to have fun you don't really bind yourself to big companies that might restrict everything you do

>>32949358
They do offer some things, like a little help with songs such as connections and shit. I imagine there's someone out there who has a specific version of fun that the restrictions on them wouldn't really affect them, like game selection and such. That'd be so specific I imagine there literally isn't even one of those male vtubers on the market right right now. And I don't blame you for sperging, I like the JPstars but these new guys rub me the wrong way, especially Magni and Regis, and God knows they've gotten a bunch of annoying cunt redditors and twitter trannies shitposting crappy bait here all the damn time and begging like losers.

>>32949285
The thing about Hololive is that it's not just about the individual, but the environment and the traditions and group as a whole. Every single member is elevated by it. That's explicitly the reason why it's so important to preserve it.

>>32941175
The fact that she, as an Asian woman, dates Asian men at all, shows she cares to some extent

>>32909195
Graduate

>>32948463
There're many talented male streamers who can earn big buck without hiding behind 2d avatar and leeching from women. No reason to choose tempiss over those.

>>32909195
I used to watch tempus religiously then you let them collab with muh waifus. Then you invited an actual racist on stream. Then I completely dropped them. Would've become a unitychad member to all of them as well.
Why?
They said they wanted to make it on their own. I trusted them. They had what it would've took.
Suddenly they break all preestablished rules. Half of HoloEN became sour and vile bitches because of it, making them unwatchable too.

You want exposure?
Do RTAs. The speedrunning community is healthy, big and active and very supportive of new runners for their favorite games.
Collab with indies.
But most importantly: Establish male vtubers as a viable niche first. This market needs to be developed, it's in it infancy right now.

>>32909884
You faggot so fucking greedy. Your senpais spent years struggling so you receive better start than most and now you're asking for more? KYS

>>32950736
>an actually reeeeecist
no one is buying this grift anymore, you can piss off now

>>32950789
why do you respond to him as if he is any of the Tempus boys. You some fucking retard or something?

>>32950792
Go fuck yourself. No politics in my entertainment, period.
If you think this is a grift then you're rotten to the core and part of the problem.

>>32910105
I felt betrayed when he did that. The old guy has no pride

>>32910140
The reason is dramafags are leeching content from this site more and more, causing fan to aware of the drama. They thrive on it.

>>32910286
Yes holo is betting too much on a 3 legs horse and expect it to win big

>>32910606
Yeah, if they want to beat Luxiem they must hire people more talented than Luxiem. It's just that simple

>>32912499
Hahaha of course tourists wouldn't know those guys came /here/ during their debut thread spam

>>32950838
>No politics in my entertainment, period.
They never talked about politics on the stream, just a bunch of dead air from the dumb cunt and Magni leading the conversation for most of the video. Most boring stream of my fucking life too. So yea you are the one that needs to fuck off.

>>32951444
>Magni invites Joe Biden onto his stream
>"It's not political dude they just talked about their favorite ice creams"
Surely you can't be this retarded? She's a political dramatuber, her very presence is political.

>>32951444
Don't care. There should be no platform for open racists. At least in my entertainment.
I've dropped finer streamers and other content creators before for the same.
As you might have already inferred, the catalogue of what I consider entertaining has become exceedingly small, so I get more defensive about the few things I still consider entertaining.

>>32951486
What he said.

>>32915833
You're mistaking vtuber audience and normal streamer audience. See Niji EN. Luxiem audience came from Niji EN girl? Simply wrong. Stop justifying your leeching.

>>32909195
>These guys met fast overwhelming success, but they're not number 1
>I'm gonna put words in their mouths!

>>32916107
Yes. The concept of homo EN project is wrong from the start. Desperate attempt to save it is meaningless.

>>32916463
See what happen to corpo without gatekeeping before speaking retard

>>32936860
Yeah I watch RTGame, never look at 2d male streamer

>>32950818
Fuck off tourist. This is larping play

>>32916493
You are wrong Reimu, this board is the biggest place for unfiltered discussions about Vtubers. Just like 90% JP coming to 5ch, all EN definitely visit /here/ regularly.

>>32916463
Pffffffff my fucking sides. The only gatekeeping going on is gatekeeping normies that dont adapt and troons. If this is not done when your numbers are higher you will demand changes that will destroy the thing that actual fans love and when those leave and the thing is a shadow of what it was and totally worthless thanks to normie-troons you normie-troons just will seek something else that is having and impct but its different to fuck it up. Also normies dont superchat or memebership.

On the other hand as long as things stay enjoyable, actual fans will stick forever.

Tell me, who are the locusts?

>>32951586
>You're mistaking vtuber audience and normal streamer audience
There's literally no difference.

>>32909630
It's almost like nobody wanted homostars or something

Pro tip.

Buy a rope.

>>32942016
I think it may be because, unless my brain is failing me rn, streaming/youtubing in Japan isn't as developed as it is in the west, not to mention than in JP a lot of vtubers come from other entertainment backgrounds like utaites and artists, which is not really the case for the EN scene as of now, at least not to the extent that it is over there.
Also worth mentioning that there's a history of corpos and orgs coming and sinking their claws in the carreers of several streamers and fucking them over hard, so that may also play a part in why people with talent may prefer to remain indie or not see much appeal in vtubing, especially if they already have a solid carreer.

>>32952648
That's why you and your males will fail. The women will eventually realize the guys are useless when they see they grow too slow despite helping from females.

>>32953204
Cope. Homolove is dead, but only because the Stars aren't entertaining and their content isn't flashy enough.

>>32909630
only the first 3 greens are correct. If those are granted, i dont give a fuck about the last 3 greens

Male vtubers need to find a way to make Male vtubing actually bring something new to the stream experience then just being a flesh tuber but with a fuckton of rules. Indie vtubers may be whores but at least they generally have the right idea with using VR stuff like VRchat. No fucking idea why Hololive only uses VR for events basically when they could actually hire people to make reusable "Sets". Gura's last school collab could have 100% been done in VRchat even just using a premade school map for a trial run.

>>32957359
>Gura's last school collab could have 100% been done in VRchat even just using a premade school map for a trial run
But would any genuine la creatividad wanna deal with corporate bullshit? Probably not. Vtubing was meant to be freedom.

>>32958077
As an el creativo I thought about it and no matter how hard I want to force it, the answer is always a resounding no.

>>32910606
Wtf are u talking about
Axel is top 10 easy. You dont even watch them faggot

>>32909630
I'll bite: you're effectively asking how to turn lead into gold. The issue isn't holostars's quality of entertainment, it's that society, by virtue, sees men catering to and courting women more. This shit is hard-wired into the human psyche since the caveman days. Of course the women will be getting far more viewers, earning far more money, than male counterparts. Our chimp brains see them as potential mating partners, even if consciously we act as if that's not the case. With other males, the best you'll have is other males seeing you as potential hunting partners. Unless they're literally gay, men have no desire to court other men. To other men, a Holostar's worth is solely restricted to what they can provide to the betterment of the tribe without being seen as competition for mating. Meanwhile, women are not expected to court men outside of looks and personality, therefore women viewers will not contribute or watch streams in great numbers, as human evolution has literally programed it into our brains.

In a strictly basic evolutionary sense, men see men collabing with women as competition. This is not incel or unicorn shit, our primate brains at their very core sees it that way, and it translates to views and donations. That's the biggest reason why female streamers are so profitable in general compared to the work females put into streaming. All they need to do is look pretty and not be a massive bitch and men will line up giving them their life savings in a futile effort to court them. The Holostars will never see the numbers that Hololive gets because they are not potential mating partners in need of courting, they specifically need to be uniquely and exceptionally talented to even get close to the views and cash flow of female streamers. People have to accept that, given the fact Holostars is fighting against human evolutionary programming designed to get humans to breed and pass their genetic library down, what success they have currently is already an impressive feat for merely being streamers without any really exceptional talents like speedrunning or esports level competition.

>>32959733
Based and truthpilled. Equality is a highly destructive social meme responsible for huge swaths of misery and suffering as a consequence of people acting in service of a deluded, overtly anti-scientific ideology.

>>32909249
>average CCV is 2000 for each talent
>There are 2000 memberships for each talent.
The viewerbase for Tempus clearly have jobs anon.

>>32962864
I wouldn't call streaming/camwhoring/housewifing a job.
>they're not-
They are. Let's not even pretend.

>>32909195
>>We try to reach out to Twitch viewerbase through 39Daph
>>You retards start screeching
I mean, she did end up getting exposed for racist comments around the same time and your two ethnically Asian talents defended it.

>>32964314
Sir I work construction and member to Vesper for the comfy boomer talk

>>32967956
>around the same time
Literally since Niji collabed with her. Stars knew ahead of time. They did it anyway. That's the damning thing about it. Now, Holostars EN is saddled with platforming and thereby perpetuating racially motivated anti-white hatred, making them the de facto "bigot branch." And since Hololive EN collabed with them, that means Hololive EN is complicit in their bigotry, same as the management structure that allowed such a collab to happen. By the same cancel culture rules that white have to play by, that means the entirety of both Nijisanji EN and HoloPro EN are cancelled for perpetuating anti-white hatred. And just like that, the vtubing duopoly became the enemy of oppressed, disenfranchised whites everywhere. /pol/ was right again.

So now that the duopoly's gone completely mask-off and revealed itself as a festering hive of racist apologism, I think we should all be socially responsible and keep that in mind for every thread where a Holo or Niji is mentioned. Never forget that Nijisanji and HoloPro platform overt bigots.

>>32909195
That's nice of them, but I still have no interest in watching any male vtubers at all.

>lets pander to the normies that constantly drop things because a new toy came out
LMAO, I get that people want them to be more twitch like but if you tell me that twitch people will be more loyal then your trolling.
>Twitch
The place streamers say if you don’t stream almost everyday you lose your audience. People actually think destroying the holobox is a good thing