/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32873681
MORE MALE COLLABS
MORE LAZINESS
MORE WAVES
ACCELERATE UNTIL WE CAN TRULY RESET HOLOEN

>>32873681
>Mumei stops stream suddenly
>played more than 2hrs of holocure
all except this is believable

>>32873894
Stopping "suddenly" has nothing to do with the length of the stream my fine ESL friend

>>32873894
she did stop a little abruptly, but she said she was getting ready to call into Reine's bday

>>32873736
Amen, accelerationist brother.

>>32873681
This is the fault of americans. Look at holojp, managed by japs, now compare it to the absolute state of holoen, managed by a literal ameritranny

>>32873681
>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her
That's how you know she's the only good one.

>>32874278
>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her
when? where?

>>32874299
Have you tried watching streams instead shitting up the catalogue?

>>32873681
>>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her
source? i want to see and laugh.

>>32873681
Fauna with Ame licking my dick while Bae and Ina is licking my nipples.

>>32873681
>The "mastermind"
They gonna delete this post.

>>32874430
Nah, I have bitches like (You) to spoonfeed me instead

>>32874579
>gwar and proko references
Based

>>32874430
Have you tried posting evidence of a single statement instead of deflecting?
It should be very easy to find this if it says what you claim.

>>32873681
what the fuck have I missed haha

>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her
I haven't watched her last streams, but I doubt she said anything like that.
Clippers would be all over that

>>32874579
>Sana graduates
>shit hits the fan
Maybe this rrat has some weight after all...

>>32873681
Where did Kiara say that most of hololive hate her ?

>>32877370
>>32877474
https://youtu.be/lYN1JQ2HlmI?t=11936
She also said Reine is her "only friend" in Hololive

>>32873681
Well that sucks. Then again I don't care. Holostars is as stable as always.

HOMOCHAD DOMINATION

>>32877583
She didn't say any of that in the link. She was just glad Reine didn't hate her.

>>32877762
>We've been on a really special trip together, and it meant so much to me and you didn't suddenly decide to hate me
Who hated Kiara after a recent trip shes had anon? Why did she say Reine is her only friend in Hololive?

>>32877858
You're reading too much into it. And she absolutely did not say Reine is her only friend.

>>32877891
Who hated Kiara after a recent trip she's had anon? Who was Kiara referring to?

>>32877945
Give me a clip, anon. Give me a citation. Prove your point is more than just "it was revealed to me in a dream".

>>32877997
>>32877583
Has timestamped clip and >>32877858
has the quote. There's literally no reason for Kiara to say she's glad Reine didn't "suddenly decide to hate" her unless someone she travelled with recently did just that.

Where's my confirmation bias? I want to know who one HoloEn hates Kiara. Typical shitbird fishing for pity.

>>32877891
>And she absolutely did not say Reine is her only friend.
Only friend IN HOLOLIVE. Don't strawman

>>32878042
Or she just got nervous. That happens with some people. It's happened to me, even, in a similar situation, and I also had to be calmed down. Maybe she was worried she did something to piss her off. Regardless, you're grasping at straws here.
>>32878118
She didn't say that either.

>>32878138
>Or she just got nervous. That happens with some people
Fascinating. Tell me more about your headcanon psychological cope to try and wave away what Kiara said.

>>32873681
the only thing falling is my cum dripping from your dad's ass

>>32878215
Nah, I'm out. If you only have this one specific thing as "proof" then I'm done entertaining you.

>>32878042
Why does it have to be recently? It's also not that uncommon that people who are friends move in together or have to work together closely, and realize they hate a lot of the things that person does. Doesn't mean that they're not still friends. That said, I can't completely say you're wrong. If that was referring to Ina or Mori, that wouldn't surprise me.

>>32877583
Sounds a lot like Matsuri. Comes on so strong and then the other party backs off because the are just about the business teetee. Kiara and Matsuri have clingy and boisterous personalities that introverts have a hard time dealing with.

>>32873681
It just goes to show that overseas branches don't work. They hire established business personnel who went to the marxist-neoliberal school of economics because "muh resume" and "muh credentials" without taking into consideration their motivations or management style. This causes the branch to get woke and go broke because they care more about ideology and short term profit than actually building up a business. And obviously the punchclocks who're just there for a paycheck will toe the line because they don't care either way so long as they get paid.

This is why the most successful, enduring businesses are often built from the ground up in a garage by friends, allies, comrades and fellow travelers. Those don't always succeed, but when they do, you might wind up with a Kizuna Ai, Amazon, Microsoft, or pre-stars Hololive JP. Brands are a function of the people who represent them, and you can't just hand one to people who don't care about it and didn't build it themselves...and then expect them to take good care of it if you're not constantly riding their ass and ensuring compliance with standards. Franchising requires oversight. Without it, the home brand gets dragged through the mud by whatever fuckups the franchise engages in. Successors are groomed, not simply handed the keys to the kingdom and told to have fun.

>>32874462
There's no source.

Glad that /schizo/ is back but please put it in the subject field so that its easier to filter out

>>32879431
Well summarized.

>>32873681
>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her
????? This never happened? She chose not to participate in the Worms collab with the homostars if that's what you're referring to.

>>32874690
there is a dedicated thread on the board right now.
Open wide >>32872407

>>32879577
Retard >>32879637

>>32879431
Well said.

I think that EN management at first was humble and also very eager to emulate HoloJP as the role model, but because Myth was so insanely successful out the gate, that this success got to their heads and they thought that they're the hottest shit around and geniuses of management rather than simply tapping into what was a really pent-up demand for a Hololive without needing translated clips for the eager Western JP fans. A demand that JP had built up to begin with and they merely tapped into.

Myth's amazing success must have made management basically think the tables had turned, they own the place now functionally and JP headquarters did all it could and that they can extend their lead by making EN more Western-friendly/palatable. This was becoming very evident by how they wanted people to stop calling gens gens with Council. Why? What the fuck? Is it because they're prejudiced against it because that's a Japanese idol thing and/or it implies there are seniors and juniors, which there obviously are? Or they thought for some reason Westerners would like it more and it'd be more successful if it wasn't shorthand referred to as Gen 2, which it is? From there it's become more evident that they seem to think "westernizing" EN will make it better or more successful. Actually, it's having the fucking opposite effect I think and is polarizing as fuck and not what the fandom needed. Even when EN3 rolls around now everyone is fucking jaded and doubtful because we do not trust management's calls anymore because they seem to think they don't need to follow the JP model now. They fucking do. They fucking blew it man.

>>32879431
Not bad anon, not bad

>>32880067
>this success got to their heads and they thought that they're the hottest shit around
This is why you hire people who understand the industry first and foremost. Good intentions aren't a substitute for knowledge and experience. This was why seniority used to be respected...before 60yo boomers had it too easy and shit the bed.
>This was becoming very evident by how they wanted people to stop calling gens gens with Council. Why? What the fuck? Is it because they're prejudiced against it because that's a Japanese idol thing and/or it implies there are seniors and juniors, which there obviously are? Or they thought for some reason Westerners would like it more and it'd be more successful if it wasn't shorthand referred to as Gen 2, which it is?
It was an illusion of choice. GAMERS had a gen name and theme, and that was fine. The issue with them was going back to the gen naming convention, which left gamers as an out of place 0.5 gen in the numbering scheme. For Myth and Council, the problem was the overambitious nature of the lore, and too great a focus on fitting the vtubers to the lore rather than the other way around. Aside from that, giving gens themes and names wasn't a problem, and they could've still been referred to shorthandedly as EN1, EN2, etc. People seem to forget that not all boxes are real, and some are just in their head.
>Even when EN3 rolls around now everyone is fucking jaded and doubtful because we do not trust management's calls anymore because they seem to think they don't need to follow the JP model now. They fucking do. They fucking blew it man.
They all did, both the vtubers and management. It was a systemic institutional failure. If EN3 exists, they're pitiable, but...the blame doesn't lie with /vt/. Rather...
>arrogant myth chubas who falsely believe their success was earned
>council chubas who failed to commit and adapt to the brand image
>a corporate structure that doesn't seem to understand its brand or purpose
>a jp branch that fails to properly oversee en, set the stage by debuting their own stars then letting the holos collab with them a la nijisanji, and appears to have problems with decision making even in their home office
>investors who don't seem to understand the business or customers
Falling for the "scale and expand as much and as quickly as possible" meme is what ruins businesses, except maybe from a short term profit and "muscling out the competition" perspective.

I hope everyone graduates except Gooruh and JP.

>>32879431
Well then, rrat and preferences aside, in terms of overseas branches, do you think ID and CN manage to establish their franchise?

>>32880067
>This was becoming very evident by how they wanted people to stop calling gens gens with Council. Why? What the fuck? Is it because they're prejudiced against it because that's a Japanese idol thing and/or it implies there are seniors and juniors, which there obviously are?
Even ID is able to do it with Area15, Holoro and Holoh3ro. It's not that hard.

>>32873681
Kys trannyop

>>32881177
In retrospect, ID has unironically shit the bed less despite male collabs and yubigate. At the very least, they're reminiscent of the more lax JPs rather than being seen as anti-Hololive. Except for Ollie, who's been a full on pro-westernization shitter from the start.

In CN's case, setting political disagreements and woman moments aside, it seems like that was primarily a management issue. Or rather, they made the mistake of having a local CN branch rather than an "unofficial CN" Taiwan branch. They (presumably?) could've also just run a Chinese language branch in house and contracted out to Chinese speaking vtubers without having a formal corporate presence, the same way Bamco started directly translating their SRW games after western copyright and licensing issues caused the Atlus partnership to fall through.

Contrary to what the managerial class might want, business isn't about mathematics and formulas aren't absolute. Running a successful enterprise requires a bit of creativity. That includes trying to head off problems before they happen and bootstrapping solutions to whatever problems arise instead of always doing things the conventional way. Despite that, existing formulas for success can indeed be adopted and repurposed in pursuit of stitching together a workable product. That's the difference between the risk-taking EN (which mostly exploded due to first mover and cult following advantages) imploding right now after flying too close to the sun, ID (which has branding and discoverability issues due to being labeled ID and mostly separated from EN proper despite the vtubers often speaking english) hanging on despite male collabs and juggling streaming in two languages (one of which is a debuff in the west), and CN (which made structural and staffing errors that eventually resulted in the brand getting itself put down).

ID might not be the highest performer, but it is the only side branch that's managed to get closest to the JP style of vtubing, and doesn't seem like it'll die any time soon. Not as sure about EN. Even if they live on, it might be as a generic mass market branch that just indulges the whims of the western market. Unless that fails, then they might devolve into a sort of zombie branch that gets by but isn't as relevant if their lunch gets eaten by the appearance of a more innovative competitor in the EN sphere (ie one that invests in augmented reality, 3D, and other tech that expands the kind of content and interactivity vtubers are capable of).

tldr CN failed completely while ID's brand image is still intact.

>>32881299
Unironically I don't know what any of those are, aside from Area 15 being that talk show thing ID gen 1 does sometimes.

>>32882319
A good read, can I mark this down in my reading log?

>>32879431
>>32880067
>>32880921
>>32882319
Someone from the JP management should read this thread and take some notes.

>>32873951
FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER

>>32882643
>taking notes from a random dude that only sounds good because he doesn’t have the full picture
Good luck

>>32873681
Meh, at least wait until anniv to see if the mood is notably different/stiff before making any rrats.

>>32882450
It's a play on Area 51 and Lofi being an ayylamao. Obviously the other two are ID2 and ID3, but the branding suffers from a variety of previously listed factors as well as taking cues from a(n entertainment) culture ("indonesia") that westerners aren't familiar with or especially interested in.

>>32882643
>nips
>knowing english
>or even their own written language
The tragedy is that while Japan's galapagos syndrome provides them some insulation from harmful global trends and allows for their cultural exports to remain competitive, it also causes some of their inherent problems to drag on without being solved. The issue is, there doesn't seem to be any moderation in global commerce. Either you have hyperconservatism old-style office politics in Japan (which hasn't adapted well to operating an EN side branch relative to the much greater potential that was otherwise there at the start), or a hypermaterialistic "no matter the cost" mentality practiced by many westernized organizations.

This is why competition and voting with your wallet is important. Consumers are the last line of defense against stagnation and market rot. Rewarding bad practices and behaviors (ie simping) assigns value to them, and they wind up being doubled down on. Just as entrepreneurial individuals looking to upset established markets or take advantage of new opportunities must be adaptive, so too must consumers who wish to sustain the health of a market by rewarding products and services that genuinely serve their whims, wants and needs.

>>32883446
Sometimes those with a distant, outside perspective can get a better look at everything going on than those embroiled in and distracted by whatever's currently happening. As a rule of thumb, you can't watch your own back. That's why having others to cover it is important.

This was also the core of Miyazaki's complaint about the modern anime industry, which he saw as (figuratively) incestuous and filled with nearsighted people who only ever saw things from then doubled down on their own pre-existing ideas and mentalities without taking risks, exploring new concepts, or trying to better capture reality by observing the world outside themselves. If all you do is surround yourself with enablers and yes-men who'll never challenge you to better understand different beliefs and ways of thinking, you just wind up in an ideologically and artistically self-destructive purity spiral strip mining what you already know and never acquiring anything new to fuel your creativity. That's not to say an obsession with newness is any better than the opposite extreme. Everything in moderation. But a healthy intellectual curiosity and appreciation for new concepts is the heart and soul of art and entertainment.

>>32879431
Spoken like a true retard with zero experience in management of a business

>>32884185
I rather listen to the /biz/pajeet scammer than someone from here on how to run a business. At least the scammer will make a buck.

>>32879163
at least Festival has a good voice and is cute

>>32873681
>>32874430
Why look at streams where there's gossip queens like you that can tell us everything in seconds.

>Kiara admits on stream most of Myth hate her

If everybody who you work with hates you, the problem is you.

>>32878042
Or, you know, maybe she's incredibly self conscious and THINKS the others don't like her because they never ask her for collabs instead of possibly assuming that there are other reasons factoring into it. Also, I believe she was talking about people she'd specifically gone on trips with, which doesn't include all of Myth or Council. In fact, I think that's only Calli? Gura and Ina certainly haven't gone on any trips with her. And she hasn't met most of Council.

>>32879431
It's already worked. It's been 2 years. It's really just a matter of how long it'll continue to work.

>>32884185
Sounds like you're just salty, defensive and insecure about being a fucking muppet who doesn't understand basic economics.
>>32884734
If I hate everybody who hates her, the problem must be them.
>>32884908
>It's already worked
Hololive JP worked. EN just had to show up for their paycheck. That's why every gold digging whore wanted to be EN. They've spent the entire time since then squandering their potential and being a disorganized yab-prone shitshow, until they grew so arrogant that they thought EN could (because they're such master businessmen and not in any way simply the beneficiaries of a market trend created by the JP branch) survive the controversy of debuting their own Stars. Problem is, that requires actually knowing what you're doing. EN doesn't because they never had to struggle. They were successful from the start for reasons completely unrelated to them. And now they're ill equipped to deal with their fuckup, while /vt/ truly accepts that from the very beginning...they really were imposters.

>>32874547
The only place fit for Ina is tonguing my ass.

>>32873681
You forgot Ina collabing with men (Shien), that’s the last straw

>>32880067
Good post. The more I see of EN the more it's obvious that Omegatroon is attributing way too much of ENs early success to himself rather than it just being a case of being in the perfect place at the perfect time to ride a wave he had no control over. Now the wave is slowing and his management moves are causing more damage than they are helping and his incompetence is completely exposed. Very common story among businesses that have a boom in their industry, when the recession comes a lot of them go bust because it shows which ones were only successful because of the market and run by morons.

>>32879431
>marxist-neoliberal school of economics
yeah man i also love opening my blog post with random shit i come up with

>>32873681
That's what you get from listening to reddit.

>>32873681
I'm sure you'll post a big "lol whoops I was wrong and retarded" when in 3-6 months there are no graduations and no obvious decline in income, right?

Right?

>>32887139
The sheer smoothness of a brain that says something as on-its-face idiotic as "marxist-neoliberal" without skipping a beat

>>32873736
This twisted branch needs to be reset!

>>32877643
A brotherhood, when closely nit like Holostars, soon enough becomes nearly impossible to break.

It's really nice to see honestly.

The problem I see it is with Western women in general, who have been assiduously taught from birth that they can and should have everything they want and no one has the right to tell them otherwise. There is only the minor caveat that you have to 'work hard.' There's no such thing as unattainable or conflicting goals, only a lack of effort. This naturally leads to insanity, which is usually directed outwards ("This is YOUR fault. I did everything right.").

So rest assured, when HoloEN implodes, it will be (your) fault even though you are a meaningless shitposter on a forum and they had total control of their actions.

>>32885200
Agree
Top JP shows ownership
When Miko, Pekora, Marine streams, they always deliver. People watch them because they are consistent on what they are doing.

>>32888141
Can you be fair and at least acknowledge that gf experience and faux yuri are mostly eastern concepts? "Paid mommy/gf" type stuff in the west is usually expected to be paid and private between the girl and the buyer, not public with hundreds of delusional viewers that just pretend each other don't exist.

I feel like this is entirely why vtubing is in such a cancerous state; vtubing allows ANYONE to make a virtual avatar of anything they want, and yet many eastern spheres want to treat it like
>only females vtube
>only males watch
But there are females who may only care to watch and males that want their own vtuber.

The bubble is bursting already and it would be nice to see more genuine males with cute and alluring voices. Feels weird whenever a dude tries to be a virtual tranny to continue the "female vtuber characters only".

>>32889472
>it's a unique eastern culture
The blowback is primarily from their english fans. As for it being an esoteric concept, seemingly the fans on their side get the basics. The girls should have been inculcated by management, and I think it's fair to assume they were. Even if they weren't none of them are total fucking morons.
>east/west etc
It's a hololive thing. People tune in for CGDCT in the same way fans of oldtime AH tune in for their parasocial bro fix. The rest of western vtubing has long employed mixed collabs, and a good portion of the eastern.

In short, you basically don't know what you're talking about. I am being fair, too, even gentle. You would know that if you watched something other than hololive. Essentially the fans don't want it to become like everywhere else. They don't want globalized homogenized vtubing.

>>32891250
>The blowback is primarily from their english fans
Only some of them. It would be much worse if what is happening to EN was going on in the JP side. Pekora got antis on her ass for months simply for skipping her Christmas Eve stream.

>>32879431
>marxist-neoliberal

Stopped reading there, retardation impossible to ignore.

>>32879431
>marxist-neoliberal
>pseudo-intellectual business """analysis"""
>the amount of faggots thinking this has any substance

SASUGA /vt/. This looks like it was written by a retard that failed BA101 what the fuck

>>32895866
>>32896175
Implying you can't weaponize marxist theories and laws with neoliberal economics to maximize consumer numbers and spending. What do you think the empowerment of women over their "male oppressors" was about? Increasing consumer spending and slashing labor costs, of course. Sounds like you're both reading from the textbook and thinking in a vacuum instead of exploring theory and application relative to the real world.

not my problem

>>32885200
I am reminded of the adage that the third generation children of wealthy families are where everything goes to shit. Mostly because while the first generation had to struggle to build it all up and had the skill and capability to do so the farther the line goes on the less those skill are required or cultivated.
The second gen is taught directly from the first while having to keep their position and has access to may more opportunities to express its skill sets due to having the prosperity to broaden their horizons.
The third generation and onwards is born into wealth and indolence and not only never has to struggle but never has a guiding hand pushing them to, their situation is secured for the most part so why bother.
And this behavior goes down the generations till the situation becomes to unstable and a chance competent persons is born who restabilizes or the entire things is wiped away and a new group comes to power.
In this JP would be the first gen CN (Killed itself due to neglect) and ID would be second gen and EN would be the third.

>>32873681
INAME WINS!!!
>but what about bae
Don't care

>>32873736
wait thats Nijisanji

>>32896175
>>32895866
>>32887139

Why do you pinkos always get so defensive and seething whenever someone gives your meme ideology an appropriately memey misnomer?
Inferiority complex? Ted Kaczynski had a lot to say about the lefty predisposition, maybe you should read it sometime :^)

No seriously, the easiest way to spot a cryptocommie is talking about postmodern social marxism or whatever.

>>32898175
Wow, it's always surprising to see someone knowing their shit about the true beginnings of 2nd wave feminism.

>>32873681
I like the guys, they seem pretty cool and somehow more stable.

>>32907472
>2nd wave
>2nd
Anon, it never would've gained traction to begin with if there wasn't institutional backing.

>>32877858
We need to consider that perhaps she was just anxious about first impressions and her being ESL, she said something that's likely to be interpreted differently by native speakers.

>>32907317
this

>>32873736
There is no reset, just Nijification

>>32873681
EN has been shit for a while. You folks are barely noticing now?

Come home.

>>32877583
Everytime

once again /vt/ thinks itself as the navel of the world

lolmao

>>32913387
It was somewhat bearable as long as the can of worms was closed.

>>32873681
Kiara just said on stream that she’s having trouble with her IRL friends currently.
People trying to attribute her worries to Myth are beyond retarded.

>>32889472
Anon I'm trying to be a male vtuber without going into Astolfo tier kind of character, you're crushing me...

>>32896175
Marxists are the biggest consoomers. Comes from having a lack of spiritual grounding

>>32907317

>>32873681
source to all?