/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>self posting your shit clips
Kill yourself.

>>32859658
forsen

Also, i find hilarious miss "i stream every 4 days" is using as a example one of these days "the streamer wants to take a break from a game" like it applies to her.

>>32859658
We got too cocky Chumbuds...

>>32859658
>>32859849
>>32859856
>>32859968
seething nijinigs

>>32859658
I always knew that forsen is Gura

>>32859849
Who the fuck is that?

>>32859658
>male collabs
>react streams
topkek hololiveEN is dead

>>32859849
NO MORE LINKS

>>32860002
I don't know about the others, but I'm a deflecting teacuck.

>>32859658
"Not allowed"

bajs are not weebs Copesen

>>32859658
Damn, she's desperate for something new.

man I really hope she's doing a male collab. Chumbies have been super smug on this board the last couple of weeks I can't wait to see them humbled

Gurasen AYAYA

FORSEN IS NOT GAWR GURA Copesen

>>32859658
Guys, let her do shitty react content. The least we can let her do for being an "idol". She is clearly all alone with whatever is left in HoloEN and can't interact with the Tempus moids.

>>3286076
I can't wait for Gura to send you homobeggars back to hell

>>32859658
Meh she just shared her opinion on it, is not like she will ever be allowed to do it

>>32860982
Kiara already killed the homobeggers. Gura's going to piss on their corpses.

>>32859658
Gura seems to be tired of HoloEN. It would be great if she would graduate and let Tempiss and the sluts who have collabs with them rot

As long as its not male collab , fine by me

is there a forsenCD gura edit?

Fucking leech. React content is the lowest form of content

Holos already react to games, anime, movies, themselves, and in Ame's case videos of animals.
You were already watching reaction streamers.

>>32859658
There's zero chance covercorp would ever okay that, she'd have to get permissions for every single video she wants to react to, which also means she will most likely have watched it beforehand

Unless she wanted to watch hololive clips, which honestly might be good, not just for her stream but hololive in general, I think the girls should all be watching as much clips as normalfags do, so they actually understand what's happening in the company, no more mori yabs where talent doesn't know the most basic references to other holomembers

>>32859658
The lazy whore of EN wants to do lazy content? Who could've thought!

>>32862421
One thing I really like about Tempus is that they actually watch each other's shit. Axel revenge streaming Spore, because of Magni using it to make fun of him, was fun as fuck. I'd be fine with hololive clips, and I suspect that it might actually be a management idea. Didn't they ask people to submit clips a few months ago? It was for a contest or something, but they could recycle them for content.

>>32862385
This. All livestreaming is reaction content unless you're watching a professional.

remember when Gura tried to build a portal based on the works of Hans Eli Sebastien “Forsen” Fors?

Gura is going to become a parasite let's gooooooooo

https://youtu.be/Irk8h0ax5aY

Are clippers the biggest leeches in the world?

>>32864321
Nooo don't watch my video you're stealing my numbers I'm LITERALLY dying!!!!!!

Can't wait for Gura to pull a Pikamee and become a react Andy

>>32865100
Pika just reacts to stuff now?

>>32864405
Clips show you content if you can't be bothered to watch the whole shit. Even Marine send Subaru a clip while complaining about her instead of the original video with a timestamp. Reaction streamers show short "funny or cute" videos as a whole.

>>32864405
Yes

>HoloEN becoming twitch
I want off this ride mr bones.

As a teamate i wish this was Ame's level of drama

I think Gura has lost confidence in herself as an idol.
I was a Gura anti for a short period, I think she read my posts and it affected her. I feel bad now.

>>32859849
>forsen
FORSEN DEEZ NUTS DOWN YO THROAT

>>32859658
The problem isn't react content itself, the problem is that gura wouldn't be able to provide any interesting commentary to it. Hell, even in this stream she couldn't find shit to talk about

>>32866861
She's in this awkward position where the shit she wants to talk isn't allowed so she has to turn the gears in her brain to think about what's okay to speak of without management going down her throat. In short it's always 100% EN managements fault

>>32860284
Some dumb Swede all the zoomer kids like. Not to be confused with the other dumb Swede.

>>32867103
>It's management's fault my oshi can't be entertaining on her own
Do cuckbuds really?

>>32859658
Just when I thought Gura couldn’t get any lazier.

>>32867103
>it's always 100% EN managements fault

>In my free time from work

WHAT WORK YOU LAZY SHARK YOU STREAM LIKE 2X A WEEK MAX HOLY FUCK

>chumkeks will try to spin goorah becoming a react andy as a le epic and pure aidoru thing

Good luck getting permissions for 7 years old video from Vine

>people complain about react content
>viewers always go up
?????

>>32866397
You could kill yourself, that might perk her up.

>>32867103
Unfortunately for Gura, or not, really don't know wtf she really wants, she has to be extra child friendly because she likely has the most actual children watching her, not just man-children which is standard for vtubers in general.
Either she gets reminded often or knows herself to keep things in check.

>>32867674
She's probably doing dance and singing lessons. No clue how much work that constitutes, but at least that is likely.

>>32867918
>She's probably doing dance and singing lessons

>>32867918
Anon...

>>32862385
while technically true, "react" streamers are exclusively about reacting to videos that they play on their stream. This runs the gambit from outright theft of content by just playing videos in full and not transforming the watching experience any, to near sentence by sentence breakdown, discussion, and analysis of the content. It's very easy to be a bad react streamer that adds nothing to watching the video on your own, it's much rarer to be the one that actually adds to the experience of watching the video. I fear Gura will fall closer to the former than the latter.

Also it's what braindead twitch thots do.

>>32868050
>Also it's what braindead twitch thots do.
Perfect for Gura then

react harder

>>32862385
t.someone who has never tuned into the average vshojo or indie vtuber stream

it's NOT the same as what happens in hololive, unless you're braindead or haven't been watching either one. watching meme/tiktok compilations for 2+ hours on a daily basis is a little different than watching 2 movies a month.

Usually I would be against it but, fuck, for how long can you watch vtubers playing random videogames for hours a day?
It just becomes insufferable and boring at some point. I'm sure for vtubers too specially. Videogames being miserable nowadays doesn't help. There is barely any good stuff to play.

It's like kaguya luna said,
>"all vtubers always do the same thing"

Streaming is such a super limited medium, can't do interesting shit like omega sisters doing weird virtual shit or azumalim doing roadtrips. Do you really expect another 10 years of doing minecraft shit like if any of that crap mattered?

How long can the girl pretend to be interested? Is she still gonna be screaming and random game crap when she is on her 40s?

Without something new to do the fate of all Holos is the same, wait until a new gen comes out and the people move to them and abandon you.
Everyone always doing the same gaming content because it's easy, no improvement, only waiting for your next replacement.
Management won't let you try anything new anyways.

I'll take the react content, I don't give a shit about the morality.
Try something new for fuck sake you easily entertained morons.

>>32864538
>Nooo don't watch my video you're stealing my numbers
Your hyperbole not withstanding they literally are stealing their numbers. If I watch a video on some one else's stream with basically no interruption or change in experience compared to watching that video myself why would I then ever go and watch it on the original uploaders channel?

>>32867918
Shuba does dance and singing lessons, said that's all she spends her money on really, and she still manages to stream consistently throughout the week cept Mondays when it's her day off. EN is universally lazy as fuck.
Although I'll admit to seeing Kiara up all the time on the catalog when nobody but the sheep is streaming her nightly 8hr SC reading.
Still, 1/10 is pretty shit for a branch.

>>32868284
>react content
>new
almost had me there

>>32859658
GachiPls WEEBS OUT GachiPls

>>32868363
For Hololive? yes you ridiculous imbecile.

Streaming in general is fucking dead creatively, and for vtuber companies even more so. I want them to do more stuff, show more things.
No matter how cute you are, or funny, doing the same thing for years just gets OLD.

>>32859658
>Lazy whore wants to do lazy content
Woah…

>>32868268
>it's NOT the same as what happens in hololive, unless you're braindead or haven't been watching either one. watching meme/tiktok compilations for 2+ hours on a daily basis is a little different than watching 2 movies a month.
why would anyone want to watch someone watching that crap? do they watch reaction-vids too?
watching some e-thot with a cartoon skin watching some vapid reactor watching some dumb shit.
Too many layers of retardation deep for me.

>>32868499
>gets old
for you, faggot.

go watch vshojo if you love tiktok reactors. there's plenty of that shit out there for you to watch, there's no need for EVERY SINGLE fucking chuuba company to do the exact same shit, despite some people's insistence that that is the case.

>>32868499
>react to the same shit every other lazy twitch fuck watches
>not getting old

>>32859849
>forsen
forsen

>>32868566
>why would anyone want to watch someone watching that crap? do they watch reaction-vids too?
>watching some e-thot with a cartoon skin watching some vapid reactor watching some dumb shit.

That's LITERALLY the problem. That applies to gaming too. Sitting there and playing videogames in incredibly boring.
People who act like reacting to a video instead of a game is somehow morally superior are just being played. It's still relying on the creations of someone else.

>>32868854
>>32868827
>go watch vshojo if you love tiktok reactors. there's plenty of that shit out there for you to watch, there's no need for EVERY SINGLE fucking chuuba company to do the exact same shit, despite some people's insistence that that is the case.

Absolutely, I hate twitch streamers too. Doesn't mean there is not a current crisis of vtubing and streaming. I been watching since Kizuna AI and it's mind numbing how boring shit is nowadays, where the most exciting thing that happens in a year is getting a new outfit.

Get it through your skull. WATCHING LIVESTREAM GAMING IS THE MOST LAZY SHIT, JUST AS LAZY REACTING TO VIDEOS. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. AT LEAST THE FORMER IS NEW FOR HOLO.

>>32869020
Would you watch Gura playing Touhou games over Minecraft?

>>32859658
Yeah, I found it funny that I decided to give Gura a chance again because people on this board were hyping how she was going to be EN's last bastion for Holoculture and then in the exact stream I watch she's bitching about not being able to do react streams. That she was actually surprised people consider them lazy shows me she's far more out of touch (or evil) then I had ever imagined.

>>32869020
>i'm bored
>everyone else should change

get it through YOUR skull shithead: not everything in the world caters to your stupid ass.

any further responses to (Me) are retardation or trolling. have a nice day.

So a problem that ive noticed with the SNOT girls, and part of whats causing Gura to think this is a good idea is,
Women....are not capable of realizing that they are not funny.
And i mean something very specific here
Constantly you will here Gura Kronii Mumei talk about their "cursed memes" and old dank shit they have saved thats so hillarious,
and then on a few occasions during collabs they share them with each other,
and everytime the other girls reaction is a mild "oh ..i mean thats not as cursed as i thought" and then the girl who sent the meme goes "wait wait ok thats not the best one wait"
And then when they're having good banter they decide to do a podcast, but then on the podcast the banter is shit because the good banter from before was an accident.

Gura wants to do this because she consumes lazy react content and finds it hillarious, but isnt capable of realizing that when shes doing it her shit won't be funny.

>>32869020
>creating new content is worse than recycling old
Huh?

>>32868890
>>forsen
>forsen
forsen

>>32869154
Anything but games at this point. I have been watching vtubers since Mito's debut. 5 years ago.
Vtubing is just so vain, there is gotta be something they can do more than giving commentary and overreacting to the mildest shit that happens in a game.

>>32869251
>get it through YOUR skull shithead: not everything in the world caters to your stupid ass.

Gura is literally asking for it you mongoloid. You're the one who wants the vtubers to sit there doing things that make them bored and miserable because you don't like change.

>>32869295
Or, to summarize
Women think they are as entertaining as the content they consume

>>32869366
>I don't like them sitting and reacting to things
>I want them to sit and react to things
Kill yourself.

>>32868499
VR stuff really is the logical future of this sort of thing, but nobody really wants to invest heavy into it except creative brainlets like Zuckerburg and his meta nightmare world.

>>32869343
>>>forsen
>>forsen
>forsen
forsen

>>32869413
Ideally I would like them to do new virtual shit, going outside IRL , doing AR, doing interviews, video essays, scripted anime videos, new things like game shows.

But I'll take anything at this point. It's fucking miserable.

Hololive JP at least has the anime skits, holo errors records offline game shows, etc. It's not always good but it's DIFFERENT.

Holo EN doesn't have shit, its dead creatively, and I say this because I do love those girls, but fuck, it's so boring and repetitive.

>>32868499
sakura miko watching her debut vid isn't react content?

>>32869561
Gura would unironically do well doing cooking streams, artstreams, travelling streams and food reviews, VR, etc.
She would make so much cash doing porn even, or just showing her cute stubby feet.

>>32859658
forsen

>>32869452
>VR stuff really is the logical future of this sort of thing, but nobody really wants to invest heavy into it except creative brainlets like Zuckerburg and his meta nightmare world.

Yes. There are so many things that could be done in a stream. Jerma is a prime example. And with vtubers the possibilities are even more, specially with VR and motion capture.

That seems like something indies will do though, while companies keep allowing the girls to play minecraft until the end of time.

>>32869678
>Gura would unironically do well doing cooking streams, artstreams, travelling streams and food reviews, VR, etc.

That would be incredible. I guess the tech would be the hardest hurdle. I'm still facepalming at fucking PIPPA having more innovative tech than Cover itself.

>>32861121
Hot

>gura silently watches you laugh you lose meme compilation #4340 while eating her chipotle bowl
>this is her one stream of the week
we love a hard worker

>>32870316
>gura silently pays random zoomer game #4340 while faking some overreaction at the most lame shit
It's all the same

Gura should just have a chumbud sex meetup and stream that. A different one everyday.
"Today we have chumbud 3,423,512! He's pretty talll! Let's have some fun~"

>>32859658
Go join vshojo gura

I'll take her embracing lazy ass react content, compared to collabing with men

>>32869020
>Stage of grief: acceptance

>lazy holo
>lazy content

>>32859658
I actually feel bad for chumbuds.
Say what you will about her stance on not collabing with Tempus but it's just too obvious she's doing the bare minimum at this point. I have no doubt she'll remain popular and well-liked but I didn't think the girl who put vtubing on the global stage would stifle herself like this.

Haha but like what if she set up a foot cam while reacting or something, wouldn't that be funny?

Or like what if someone sent in porn for her to react to and you got to see her feet begin to heat up and sweat as she becomes aroused. Rubbing her moist feet together as she plays with her toes clearly indicating her arousal. Wouldn't that just be a funny stream? Ame would have nothing on that creativity

>>32871541
>but I didn't think the girl who put vtubing on the global stage would stifle herself like this.

She's a lazy neet anon what the fuck did you expect?

>>32867856
what about her membership streams
maybe she should do a gura after dark or something if that's the case
it's all up to her to find an outlet

Lazy bitch wants to do lazy content. This is why I appreciate the JP side of holo, atleast they have work ethic.

>>32869391
Bingo

>>32869020
>watching an interactive Let's Play is the exact same as watching a jaded whore watch some other jaded fag faking reactions to some dumb shit made by someone else on yt
lmao you nigger

>>32859658
I'm pissed that Mori corrupted Kronii to collab with males.
But somehow reaction streams are even worse than that.
Is there a way I can mass report the those faggots beast and sniperwolf for always doing the retarded 'cock goes here?' face that show up on youtube's front page whenever I use private?

>>32859658
>male collabs
>react streams
Shark is really putting a lot of work into the laziest, most cop-out streaming choices there are huh

>>32868284
That why you realize that the ride doesn't last forever and invest your money in like property or something and spend the rest of your life just doing hobbies work or in Gura's case likely have enough money to just relax the rest of your days.

>>32872026
Both are fake reactions.

>>32872026
>rust stream where they have to ignore chat 99% of the time
>interactive

I think we all agree, it's still better then collabing with males.

>>32872136
Just get an extension to block youtube channels and you'll never see them even if private. It's so refreshing.

>>32871541
She put vtubing on this stage by sheer dumb luck. It was a combo of a cute model, cute voice, and modest talent at the moment the floodgate for Vtubers broke and she bumblefucked her way through on cute, song which is admirable but has a limit.

>>32872393
>we

>>32872393
Don't worry, you'll get both

>>32867918
If she actually pulls that curveball out of her ass and it turns out she really was doing that instead of being lazy I will kneel until the sun explodes

>>32859849
CD OMEGALUL CD OMEGALUL CD OMEGALUL C

>>32859658
>The most normalfag EN wants to to do react content
What a surprise

>>32872611
>She put vtubing on this stage by sheer dumb luck. It was a combo of a cute model, cute voice, and modest talent at the moment the floodgate for Vtubers broke and she bumblefucked her way through on cute, song which is admirable but has a limit.

She had much more creative content before joining.

>>32872927
Kek

>>32859658
What's the difference between playing a game and watching videos? Both take no effort.

>>32873114
Based masonGOD

But technically you're "producing content" by playing vidya or doing other activities instead of just "commentating" over it. It's not different than veing a /vt/fag

>>32859658
work ethic hort

>>32872927
Coco was right graduating for FREEDOM CREATIVITY

forsen

>>32872307
>one game out of many = all game streams ever
Retard.
And they ignore rust chat because it's too interactive.

>>32873735
She was perfectly fine and graduated because of the chinese. Hololive only grew in the west because of Coco and the things she did differently.

That's is gone now however, without the restrictions she had she just ends up following the meta.

>>32873847
>Hololive only grew in the west because of Coco
lmao

>>32859658
The occasional react stream is genuinely fine.

Having it dominate the channel's content is where it goes shit.

>>32859658
>asks chat for their honest opinion
>obviously just looking for headpats and validation for something she wants to do
>chat breaks her heart and shoots her down
Oh god, I've developed some basic understanding of women. I can see her chat fucking up their dating sim flags in real time. My opinion of their chats as unsavvy and oblivious has been completely vindicated. This is why I don't interact with chubas. It doesn't matter how good your groom game is if you're overrun and drowned out by children, tards and homobeggars.

>>32875538
Based chat, react shit is lazy

>>32872446
Where were you a year ago?

>>32859849
Big fat horse cock

>>32864321
Reacting to gaming videos is fine, they're already stealing numbers from the game developers themselves.

>>32875715
This is probably why she doesn't stream. Despite being memed as pedos and groomers, her chat is the furthest thing from 'em. Imagine failing the tutorial level with a literally autistic woman who's not very bright. I can't fix them. Any of them.

This is what happens when all you need to get laid is immutable physical characteristics. When you strip those away and turn people into text on a screen, all you have is a bunch of morons who don't understand the hearts of women.

>>32875538
>Wants to take the easy / lazy way out
>Her chat wants more streams and shoots her ideas down
For once, chat doesn't reflect the streamer, holy shit, what is going on.

Thank fucking christ management doesnt let these lazy whores do viewer submitted react content.
If they could that's all theyd fucking do, like half of vshojo.

>>32876361
>half
Feeling generous today, aren't we anon?

>>32867918
Yeah I can't wait for her to show the result of years worth of lessons... Any day now...

>>32865230
SUBMARINE DISBANDED?!

I don't mind react content if it is a zatsu where they link an on topic video. Or I guess watch-a-longs basically count. But if it is just 2 hours of
>Funniest playlist YLYL
Then it just turns into long stretches of silence with the occasional giggle. The whole reason that meta exists is pumping out quick videos or increasing stream time. At least make it something like viewer submitted original content themed around a topic. Gura sounded moody here cause chat called her out for going the lazier route, she wants to have a video on while she eats instead of being entertaining.

>>32873847
Don't praise her and criticize her for the exact same things she's done in both companies you hypocritical faggot. Be consistent.

>>32876656
>Gura sounded moody here cause chat called her out for going the lazier route, she wants to have a video on while she eats instead of being entertaining.

But what to do if games are just not entertaining enough for her though? People are always saying the girls are lazy for not streaming but in 99% of cases they are just miserable and bored and feel dishonest for having to act hyped up about "current game".

Do you know many girls who willingly would play Rust or Minecraft on their own time and volition? Most gamers are male for a reason, streamers try to accommodate their audience but the reality has zero interested on these and just wants hang out with people without having to pretend to care about the game.

>>32876033
The point of playing a game is to engage with what is called a gameplay, retard. By watching somebody playing a game you do not get the experience the game was first and foremost meant to provide. Not to mention the fact that to play a game you need to pass an artificial barrier of purchasing it; there's no such barrier when it comes to youtube content. When you watch a free video on a stream, you gain absolutely nothing by watching it again on youtube and streamer doesn't give you a look behind a wall to incite you to bring any monetary value to the creator of the video. Moreover, by watching some lazy sleezy fuck sitting on his ass literally stealing content made by others not only you detract watchtime from the content creator of the stolen content, you detract watchtime from the eco system of content creators at large, making it less appealing for others to keep the conveyor rolling.

>>32876259
Brand buff. Popularity buff. Meme buff. If an audience is there for any reason than the streamer themself, they won't see eye to eye. Then the streamer comes to resent their chat, because god forbid women take ownership of the fact that numbers no matter the cost is exactly why they joined an established brand. Then they try to change the brand to suit themselves, thereby ruining both it and their numbers.

tldr Women always try to have their cake and eat it too.

They want the numbers a brand brings, while not having to adhere to the expectations and image of that brand. That's why you don't hire gold digging whores in the first place. They could've just started with Holostars EN and skipped Hololive's "100 years of self-imposed humiliation" arc altogether. But no, they wanted the simp bux, and now the vtubing fandom is saddled with the perception that female vtubers are morally and ethically loathsome whores who're completely unworthy of your time and money because they'll betray you on a whim.

>>32876837
>if games are just not entertaining enough for her
Play better games, zatsu or come up with a new event that actually requires some effort. The solution is not let old videos be entertaining while she does fuck all. Gura is just looking for a way to not do much and still put out content. For the past month she has been playing Rust 24/7 and rarely streaming it. She wasn't bored of gaming, she is just lazy.

>>32876987
She isn't lazy. She just can't stand her job anymore and wants to stop doing it.

>>32876656
I don't like watchalongs that much because they can't show it on screen and pause it like a game, if they pause it its off sync for everyone. That leaves them only a short time to talk or think about something because the next scene is already playing. That is the only positive thing about Twitch reacters.

>>32876907
>Moreover, by watching some lazy sleezy fuck sitting on his ass literally stealing content made by others not only you detract watchtime from the content creator of the stolen content, you detract watchtime from the eco system of content creators at large, making it less appealing for others to keep the conveyor rolling.

Game devs thought the same when streaming took over though. Actually more people watch someone playing the game than the people who bought the game.
People get the feeling of having played the game and even becoming fans of the game without ever playing it once. They don't have any incentive buy it.

It's very dishonest to say gaming and content react are much different, and that livestreaming games never hurt the industry. It fact it did hurt it pretty big with companies catering to esports, popular streamers, "games with streamable appeal", etc.

There are exceptions like speedrunning or competitions when the streamer's content is their skill and not their personality. But for vtubers they are just using the game to give them content to have something to talk about at the expense of the game developer.

>But I wasn't gonna buy the game anyways!!

It's the same with video reacts, people weren't gonna watch the original video anyways.

React content is absolute garbage and her chat was right to shut it down

>>32859658
>never streams
>moving to react streaming
Gura is graduating in less than a year. Better start monitoring her RM.

>>32877103
>It's very dishonest to say gaming and content react are much different,
No game stream would be the same without that streamer pressing buttons and doing stuff. React streams would be 99% the same if it was just a playlist. Game companies have increasingly been more open to streamers because they realise how valuable it is as a marketing tool. React streamers have increasingly been targeted for stealing content with zero benefit for the original poster.

>>32877288
You cannot claim react content is lazy and hurts the creators when game streaming does the same.

That's pure hypocrisy. Something we only accept because it got normalized.

>>32877322
You do know that holos have to get perms to play right? The dev literally saying yes this is okay and it not hurting us. Meanwhile react content is just as hated by anyone making something original. Almost like one actually requires input and one is just stealing a video.

>>32877425
And many youtubers are fine and happy with their videos being used for react content too.

I didn't like Kiara but as the time goes on she keeps proving to be the only one capable of doing her job and not be a lazy whore

>>32859658
OH NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

It's over bros... React Clips? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>32877322
>You cannot claim react content is lazy and hurts the creators when game streaming does the same.
So true! Games have seen a substantial decrease in sales across the board since video game streaming has caught on. Faggots being paid to build fake hype for a game and generate week 1 sales is also not a thing.

>>32877459
eh she has done react stuff, but it is usually talks about idols for a while and then forces kfp to watch them preform. Thinking about it that is almost gf wants you to watch her videos, maybe Gura could frame it in that sort of way and not vine funniest farts.

>>32877322
it doesn't hurt the creators but it is pretty fucking lazy

the fact you're comparing gaming and reacting as the same is bullshit and you know it

>>32877322
>Elden Ring sells 16 million copies in 2022
Also I've bought like a dozen single player games because of Let's Plays. It's purely a dev issue.

>>32859658
daily reminder gura is forsen's friend and she is in his secret discord with their close mods where they shit talk their fans

>>32877508
>Games have seen a substantial decrease in sales across the board since video game streaming has caught on.

It has, mostly for single player games. Shooters used to mostly mostly single player too but they all ditched that for battle royale and esports. Indie devs sell much less than the numbers of viewers on twitch.

Likewise you can apply that logic to react content.

>Youtube videos have seen a substantial decrease views across the board since react content has caught on.
And yet it hasn't. Despite some big streamers getting more views than the video itself, it never really hurt the original video right?

The whole point is that the ones claiming react content is theft are just whining bitches.

You know what's a bigger platform than YT for videos? Tiktok. One of their main features is that you can react to videos with other videos, and it totally smashed youtube on terms of views.

>>32877638
I think the difference here is that video games cost money. Watching youtube videos doesn't. Games with zero gameplay or replay value have tanked massively in sales because they were never worth buying in the first place.

>its real

>>32877689
>Games with zero gameplay or replay value have tanked massively in sales because they were never worth buying in the first place.

Again, you can apply the same excuse to YT videos.

>YT channels with fews subs or rewatch value have tanked massively in views because they were never worth watching in the first place.

>>32877188
>be lazy streamer
>go viral
>get numbers
>get hired for a job
>job description is literally talking and playing video games
>hate it because you have to put in minor effort
>completely ungrateful for the money it brings in
>want the money, but also to be a lazy cunt who doesn't earn it
Iluna shows what happens when you numberfag without the memes. Gura is right to have imposter syndrome. Without vitality, all you have is someone who just wants to crack one open and phone it in.

>>32877322
What's a tually hurting single player games is
>lack of time as a result of economic decline
People aren't doing as well financially, and sitting around wasting time playing single player games isn't very appealing. It also gets shit numbers on stream.
>loneliness
Multi-player games are more engaging because you're actually part of a community you can play games with. That trumps sitting in a dark room playing games alone.
>microtransations
>wokeness
>making games with plots, aesthetics and thematic elements that appeal to women
The industry's unfettered greed has fucked itself over, as is the usual outcome for completely shortsighted thinking. Men don't like microtransactions, virtue signaling, or what women like, and men were usually the autists grinding out single player games. By abandoning the male market (UUUUUOOOOOOHHHH PANDERING TO WOMEN MAKE NUMBER GO U- WAIT WHY ISN'T NUMBER GOING UP ANYMORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE), they've shifted gaming towards being much more social. That means multi-player games.

Streamers wind up just being a scapegoat for economic trends resulting from their own neoliberal pursuit of profit at all costs. One of those costs is the abandonment of single-player games' core demo, and numbers will go down accordingly. This is the problem with scaling. Once an enterprise grows so big that the people making decisions are completely out of touch with their customers, the products they produce wind up being shit for reasons they can't understand. And then, because they feel like they did everything right so it couldn't possibly be their fault, they blame customers for not knowing what they should like or want.

This is the limousine liberal tendency to complain that voters vote against their own interests, as well as streamers resenting their chat for not giving them a rubber stamp to do what they want. It never occurs to them that they're WRONG, and are simply buffoonish, out of touch narcissists failing to properly read the market and provide what people are demanding. Supply exists to address demand, not the other way around. This is why enterprising individuals are introspective and adaptable, as they understand that markets change and you can't simply rely on what worked yesterday to continue working today or tomorrow.

tldr If your once successful business fails, it's probably your fault.

>>32877638
>You know what's a bigger platform than YT for videos? Tiktok. One of their main features is that you can react to videos with other videos, and it totally smashed youtube on terms of views.
Youtube had that and removed it because of the titi whores spamming their answer videos.

>>32877737
>tldr If your once successful business fails, it's probably your fault.
Again
>>tldr If your once successful YT channel gets less views compared to the streamer watching your vids, it's probably your fault.

So make your mind. Is react content hurting the original channel or not.
It you say yes, it necessarily applies to gaming too. If the streamer read an entire book, isn't that a loss too? If a streamer reads an article, isn't that a loss of adrev for the news website too?

If you say no, then there is no moral difference between gaming livestreams and react livestreams.

Just stop being a hypocrite please.

>>32861473
How dare you suggest Gura should have TALENT FREEDOM for supposing she's getting tired of the management when you know what kind of collabs she had before Hololive? She's stuck in here and she knows it, no yab, no graduation, simple as

And the feedback's been mixed if not negative to this idea

>>32869626
I'd argue with "Reacts to previous content" for an 1st anniversary or major milestone (hitting 1 Million subs after a year or multiple years) is a showing progression from start to present and just how the streamer changed and developed. From mannerisms and way they carry themselves to even voice used. Or even with how their streaming tech and skills improved.

A good example is Sora responding to her first video during her 1 Million Sub stream show just how drastically things have changed and also can allow for a more in depth "Behind the scenes" commentary about what happened at that time.

>>32877573
>Also I've bought like a dozen single player games because of Let's Plays. It's purely a dev issue.
This. A good streamer can definitely move product even with single player games especially if it's a niche product like factory/tycoon/citybuilder which don't get the biggest innate spread but a good streamer/LPer can show off the game and get people wanting to play them.

>>32878024
It's also a one-off and tradition to review the debut. It's not like they do it weekly.

>bae
>ame
>constantly bring new and creative content to EN fans
get shit because collabs with MEN
>Gura
>lazy fuck
>braindead to make interesting content
get called as last bastion of EN idols while doing nothing as idol.
If being idol is no interaction with males, that means Omegay is idol too in that case because Omegay never collabs ON STREAM with males and NEVER STREAMS. lmao

Suppose YT didn't have such a hard copyright system and streamers would watch entire movies while doing commentary.

If some good movie got shit revenue and more views on some popular YT channel than real life seats, would you go

>The movie should just have been better to sell more, don't blame the streamer.

>The streamer is hurting the movie makers for showing the thing for free.

>>32859849
horsen

>>32877103
Except that you have to pay if you do want to check out gameplay and people do buy games in larger quantities than they do not as the result of streaming and let's play content, which is statistically proven. And yes, not having the most fundamental quality of the INTERACTIVE medium translated by streaming it gives you an incentive to check out a game if you liked it.

>It's the same with video reacts, people weren't gonna watch the original video anyways.
I mean if you're interested in the topic odds are the video would pop up in your recommendations and even if it was not the case the fact that streamers would not steal views by lazily shitting react content and then uploading the vods of it to their youtube channels would redistribute watchtime sunken into watching these content aggregators back into the eco system.

>>32865181
No, that's a clipfag. Pikamee DOES react content now but she still plays games. It's just her react clips gained more traction via algorithm.

>>32878182
>not having the most fundamental quality of the INTERACTIVE medium translated by streaming it gives you an incentive to check out a game if you liked it.
I wish that were true but you're disconnected from the modern audience. Pic related.

>>32878108
Everyone gets the idea that playing a video isn't transformative. The experience of playing a movie and occasionally saying a few things adds little to the experience. While it largely removes any need to go out and purchase it yourself. You have gained everything you can out of it. Watchalongs are already viewed as fairly lazy as is regardless of you still needing to acquire it.

Even if you watch someone 100% a game, there is still an experience for the viewer to have if they go buy it. How the streamer interacts with it is unique. Interaction is key here.

>>32878232
>Interaction is key here.
So a streamer could pause the video, google on the topic, show something else related to it. That sounds pretty interactive to me. Would that justify it?

>>32878227
Doesn't fucking matter. It's statistically proven to be beneficial to the gamedevs for their shit to be streamed. They get larger profits. Also some people buy games and never even play them, so how about that. Purchase is a purchase. By streaming content made for watching success of which is determined by viewers and watchtime is literally harmful for anybody involved outside of the reactors who game the system.

>>32859658
She really is turning into the laziest piece of shit streamer there is. The rrats were all true. NAH TRUST ME GUYS SHE'S ACTUALLY WORKING REALLY HARD BEHIND THE SCENES WHICH IS WHY SHE'S ONLY STREAMING TWICE A MONTH

>>32878304

That logic doesn't check. You could say big streamers give big exposure to the original channel.
>But they don't link to the original channel!
Do game streamers put a store link for people to buy the game?

>>32878271
No, pausing the video is simply not watching it. You aren't interacting with the contents of the video. The contents of it have not been transformed and you have still consumed all it had to offer by the end. I don't know why you chose such a retarded idea and not say what if they edited the movie in some fashion, as that would actually be a transformative process.

>>32877824
I give up. Spam filter is shit. Here's an image of my reply. God forbit we have discussions on 4chan beyond PEEPEEPOOPOO.
>>32878108
>The movie should just have been better to sell more, don't blame the streamer.
Yes. I hate people talking over my movie. If your movie's so shit it's only worth is being roasted by a png, that's a well deserved indictment of your own creative bankruptcy.

Fact is, streaming something is literally free publicity and advertising. And sometimes, neat small content will be mixed in that gives eyeballs to small creators. But in order for that to happen the streamer needs to enjoy being a streamer, which means CONTENT FREEDOM, and also rack up a viewerbase, which means being able to react to things people actually wanna watch.

As long as they're not a dramanigger whose entire content base is just reacting to and shitting on other people, which is interpersonal reputational warfare and shreds the trust that binds society together, content creators should have the leeway to use entertainment content how they see fit. Because if 4chan (where we post images of IP without the holders' permission all the time, every day, constantly) took the opposite approach, we'd all be fuckhuge hypocrites whose opinions wouldn't be valid.

>>32859658
holy shit, it's not sharing an activity you lying manipulating conniving fucking cunt. you're just trying to make money with the least amount of effort possible. at least be honest about it. imagine having ambitions of becoming a fucking reaction streamer of all things. how can chumbuds defend this?

>>32878341
that's not the same at all. you can have a totally different experience from the streamer playing the same game which is obviously not the case with a video. stop pretending to be retarded.

>>32878538
>how can chumbuds defend this?
Horny men don't think, this is why Veibae, Nynanners, Vale and Zen are still a thing.

>>32859658
Actually proud of the pedos and children for once, for telling her its lazy content, good job chumbuds.

>>32878538
You don't actually have to watch any given streamer. Vote with your views and wallet and find content you enjoy. Stop being a sheep.

>>32878694
okay? i can still have critique on what streamers i don't watch are doing. i'm guessing you don't have an opinion of any other country on the planet except for the one you live in? and that one you're also not allowed to have an opinion in, because herp derp just move to another one. i love how people like you think you're so fucking smart when you drop these complete meaningless brainlet takes.

>>32859849
for saan

I'm not opposed to react content, that one time when the artifact section of twitch was just movies, anime and porn was pretty based. I just don't know what she could possibly intend to react to that would be both entertaining and allowed by Cover.

>>32878774
take
your meds

>>32878341
Paying in exposure is a meme for a reason. It literally doesn't translate to any monetary gain whatsoever. That's been established. Check John Haze's clip on how much benefit he gets from his videos often appearing on ass mongrel's streams. He literally gets nothing. While assmongrel makes thousands of dollars uploading vods of it on YouTube. The reason why is because subscribers don't fucking matter when all of the fan boys from big streamers will just wait for their favorite retard to react to content.

>>32879087
cope and seethe faggot

>>32879106
it also fucks up the algo completely, because when you search for it the more popular streamer's react content will appear before the actual clip. it's fucked up and indefensible.

>>32879132
It's ok anon, with the help of your medication, you'll be able to overcome your anger management issues, I believe in you

>>32879189
>accuses me of being a sheep
>wants me to take medication so i can fall in line with you and the rest of the NPCs out there
t. unironic retard

>>32859658
>it's lazy content
Perfect for Gura then

>>32859658
>all that samefagging
trying way too hard, trannyop

>>32879288
>ESL taking a joke literally
You're either underage, retarded, or otherwise mentally unwell to be getting this mad about something that matters so little
Get away from the screen before you burst a blood vessel
Also I'm not that first anon

>>32879909
t. falls for bait and calls me underage
ebin

>>32879106
A reaction stream is pretty much the same as if you did a movie watchalong and just played the movie itself on stream. The only reason one is allowed but not the other is because film copyright holders can afford lawsuits so Susan/Amazon are forced to take down any infringing streams, whereas small content makers can't afford shit so it's okay to abuse them.

>>32880200
you haven't heard about the h3h3 lawsuit? they showed the whole "funny video" but inserted themself enough that they somehow won...

>>32860718
wanna bet ayaya?

>>32862421
livereacting holoclips would certainly be interesting, but they'd still need to get the clips pre-approved because some clippers include cuts of copyright stuff. Does sushi? Does Sushi? If not they could have a list of people they get auto approved clip reactions from.

Aqua's dying....

>>32877017
So what? Fucking everyone hates their job. But... It's a job. You're supposed to do it or quit. Not doing something you're supposed to do is the definition of laziness. Trying to get by on a technicality like sitting there and watching videos doing basically nothing is lazy too. If she doesn't like her job she knows where the door is. She can go back to singing covers while piss drunk on her old channel any time she wants.

>>32859658
I like react andy videos but I'll admit it is the laziest shit ever. The only thing laziser and more low effort is a live sleep stream.

>>32875538
I'm glad they didn't go along with her whims. It is such a female thing to ask for an opinion but have an obvious bias that they want you to confirm for them. Good job, chumpedos.
>>32876175
Just imagine, what if...they knew how she felt and still gave their honest opinion? Blind appeasement of women is true simp mentality.

/vt/ MY GURA IS THE NEW AYAME LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

>>32876837
>But what to do if games are just not entertaining enough for her though?
Vtubers do other stuff than gaming. Gura is too schizo to do a handcam stream but I guarantee it would be incredible for numbers. Maybe she cook even try cooking or building something. Get inspiration from Kiara or NijiENs for material.

>>32883691
she did a bathtub stream but it seemed too yab
she did a farming stream but the plants died
she did cooking streams but chat demanded the asmr part of it
she used to do meme videos for games she played but management didnt want her to point out the bugs, especially in Todd's games

whats a girl to do

>>32859658
This is the first time I hear Gura talking in like a year, her voice has really changed a lot

>>32883918
Suffering from success, and burdened with an asshole chat who doesn't understand or make an effort to properly groom her. It's no wonder she hates her job and runs out on them all the time. Regardless, it's ultimately her fault. She's the streamer, the be all end all decider and creative force behind her channel. Gura needs to woman up and start filtering her chat, which is what she finally appears to be doing with react content. Rather than pursuing numbers to the point where she doesn't show up for work, she should just stop being their doormat, do content she enjoys, and develop a healthier relationship with her chat by creating more of a give and take.

Yeah, that's probable gonna make numbers go down, but you can't have the cake and eat it too. It's also less unsightly than being depressed and lazy all the time. Choices have consequences, but analysis paralysis isn't good either. She doesn't have to do male collabs or deepthroat Tempus on stream, but people do kind of expect a streamer will be a bit more proactive with and interested in the content they produce.

>>32883918
>asmr part of it
There's no asmr in cooking, your thinking of handcam

I could totally see Gura graduating desu, holoshit guidelines suck.

That said, I fucking despise watchalongs. They truly are for the loneliest of losers out there, hoping their own comments will be read back. Just make real friends at that point. Watching garbage with an e-celeb who will not even acknowledge you without money is trulythe biggest act of submission and cuckoldry. It has to be said.

>>32878333
Sen was lazy pre-holo and none of this is surprising, especially because holobronies enable it even more.

>>32859849
four san

>>32868284
I'm all for new content but holy fuck react shit isnt the way to go, its stale garbage that they have the og video up while their avatar or dumb fuck face in the corner being static throughout 90% of it while adding barely any commentary while a video plays. Save for things like game character reveals and game reveals its just stale shit content that only braindead faggots enjoy.
Just because its something different doesnt mean its good.

>>32875538
Stop blaming tempus for the girls being lazy when they've been like this before they even debuted you retarded fag. The truth is the girls are burned out and are only running on gas fumes the one that still working hard is kiara and that's because she has the work ethic of a jp chuuba.

they kept up the act for a while, but you can tell that the western hololivers are really starting to chafe with the rules/values of cover. openly talking about content they're not allowed to do but want to, commenting on the difficulties of "idol culture," creating content outside of hololive more often, more clashes with audience over activites.

wouldn't surprise me to see a dead past life channel start getting small updates again or maybe a new face with an old voice, doing content that cover doesn't allow.

talent freedom seemed like a meme, but i think vshojo was actually right in the long term for western streamers and viewers.

>>32887243
If it means gura would stream more why not? You get to spend time with her while she eats and reacts to oh wait I see your problem, your problem is that you don't want her to react to other males because laughing her ass off at some stupid retard only means she's falling in love with him holy shit KEK.

>>32888082
I don't even watch Gura retard. Please find the nearest buzzsaw and apply it directly to your face.

>>32879806
You can see why Gura only asks this shit to members now, if it were a member stream it would've been lost to the void, now you got rrat peddlers out and about because they're desperate for a Gura yab

>>32888289
Okay krocuck.

>>32888561
Who?

>>32869561
>video essays
Shoot yourself in the head.

>>32887665
I'm blaming their fans for being a mix of simps, enablers and tone deaf morons. Why even be in a vtuber's chat if you're not trying to mold them to your liking. This whole anti-grooming mentality is cancerous, and results in chubas either being given a rubber stamp to do shitty things, or getting demotivated because chat just shoots down everything they'd like to do. Both extremes foster an unhealthy parasocial relationship with your fake online girlfriend who doesn't know you exist of choice.

unless you're watching a pro gamer, gaming streams are just react streams to videogames

this is doubly true for story-heavy games

+they already do watchalongs, which are react streams but worse

>>32891420
I don't think watchalongs are worse in the way they do it, because they can't show the footage directly. It's as far away from the usual "streamers steal the audience" issue as it could possibly be, you need to buy the thing to participate at all.
Or you could just pirate it, of course, but if you were to watch it on your own, you would still pirate it, so it's a separate discussion unrelated to the streams.

People who give react streamers views, and most importantly money, need to have their internet privileges taken away.

>>32869366
Mito debuted in 2018...

Gura is jealous of filian doing laugh your lose and other easy react shit and she can't.

then do an arts and crafts stream
or a gardening stream
or something like Ame's bug review

>>32879106
People who don't like having their content reacted to should simply place watermarked links to controversial media in their videos. There, I solved the issue.

>>32891420
Except they aren't, the streamer needs to still be entertaining while playing a game and interact with a chat. A video they can just pop on and not have to do fuck all. Anybody who equates these two are retarded and need to suck down a gallon of sewage.

>>32867918
Even if those were every day, which is unlikely, she wouldn't be able to do them for more than 1-2 hours at a time.

>>32859658
What will gura apologists say now

one of gura's 2 weekly streams is now going to be an hour long binge of daily dose of internet and other trending tiktok content, with ~20 minutes of intro/outro screens. can't wait!

>>32868050
I think this is where the conflict arises.
When most people hear "hey what if I did a reaction stream?", what they think is "Ah neat I'll get to watch a person I like watching do something they enjoy doing", like with most other streams.
People with negative associations with the word "reaction streamer" think "Oh my god Gura is going to metamorphose into Asmongold on stream AHHHHH!"

>>32868566
Anon do you know the context in which Gura said that at all?
She was literally just talking about a video that described how a super eruption could destroy Earth. She'd probably just do a stream reacting to Kurzgesagt videos or some shit, which could be funny even if they tend to be a melodramatic.
At worst she'd be reacting to Vsauce videos.

This is a pointless discussion though because, as Gura said, it would never happen. Too much potential for demonetization, copyright bullshit which always spooks Cover, and the difficulty of vetting random bullshit videos that Gura might want to react to blind.

>>32860002
Kys holobrony

>>32898210
this but unironically

>>32859658
Gura my beloved.

>>32859658

>>32898748
I can't wait for her to begin her arc in the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV, with an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.

She'd probably be a dragoon main. Or be one of those people who powerlevels fishing via ocean fishing raids.

>>32859658
Forsen is not a react andy wtf

>>32859658
The end of an era

There's nothing different between reacting to a video versus reacting to a film.

>>32912347
>There's nothing different between reacting to a video versus reacting to a film.
A movie watchalong is a special event that isn't super common because of how long it takes and it is more like being in a movie theater with your oshi so there is that intimacy with members.
Twichtubers who watch videos basically do that shit all the fucking time as one of their main types of content.
That is the big difference no matter how much you want to split hairs over it.

>>32912347
There's an army of jew IP lawyers that would disagree with you.
That said, watchalongs differ greatly than just hosting another creators videos on your stream and 'reacting'

>>32913231
Okay but Gura never said she'd do it all the time. You're watching recorded content with a vtuber. It's the same shit.

>>32913532
>There's an army of jew IP lawyers that would disagree with you
That's literally just their job. It's not a real differentiator.
>That said, watchalongs differ greatly than just hosting another creators videos on your stream and 'reacting
No. It's taking content someone else produced and reacting to it. The only difference is the cost of producing that content, which is why the lawyers get paid so well and are so proactive. In principle, both are exactly the same and deserve to be treated as such. Either that sort of content (which includes vtuber clips using material that wasn't formally licensed) should be considered a flagrant copyright violation due to the lack of a legally binding contract explicitly allowing the use of any given IP, or IP should rightfully be considered the impossible to police joke that it is and copyright law should be thrown out the window.

>>32913579
>Okay but Gura never said she'd do it all the
Yes, but it doesn't help that gura streams once a week, meaning this react garbo would take up a whole week

>reaction meta
fuck that sit

>>32913231
There is no difference between watching an episode of an anime with your oshi and watching, say, an Internet Historian video.

>People itt assuming Gura would react to tik tok shit instead of weird autistic shit like videos essays about how the world might end or the unabridged history of the My Little Pony fanbase
Do you guys really think so little of Gura that you think she'd just react to a bunch of lazy tik tok shit?

>>32915329
>Will the lazy person do lazy shit

>>32915483
Gura might be lazy but she's also an autistic dweeb.

my autism is not powerful enough to see a difference between reacting to a videogame and reacting to youtube videos

>>32915682
video reactions bad because I say it's bad

I hate that so many youtubers idolize Charlie and Asmongold.

>>32914262
>>32915807
If you retards can't see cancer for what it is then you deserve what happens.

>>32915957
Charlie can actually be funny sometimes.
Asmongold is a neanderthal who has never made anything good though.

>>32915957
Charlie I can at least understand since he's been doing this way longer than most. Asmongold is just burnt out on MMOs and too shit to play other games so he just reacts to boring shit now.

>>32916195
I've got a joke for you, anon. What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with an oshi that abandons him and does cheap reaction videos?
I'll tell you what you get! You get a shitposter crying about it on /vt/ for a few days.

>>32915957
They're men and successful. That's it. They could be eating shit on stream, and they'd still be idolized just for that fact alone. It's not male privelege, though. It's class privelege. They're part of the wealthy elite content creators who've tapped into mass market appeal and made it. Accordingly, they'll be idolized by people who thirst for money and influence.

As a rule of thumb, if your oshi likes popular shitters whose content involves putting people on blast, lazily reacting to other people's videos, or following trends, your oshi is probably shit.

>>32916195
Don't know what your issue with me is. I think react content that's just passively watching things is awful, and never watch it myself. My post was entirely about how the internet's been making copyright law obsolete for decades, which is why it IP laws should be tossed out.

>>32916331
>>32916408
Post your vtuber identities so I can make sure to not watch (You)

>>32916984
>Post your vtuber identities so I can make sure to not watch (You)
I'm an indie named Gawr Gura.

>>32916984
I go by Ironmouse

>>32916984
>which is why it IP laws should be tossed out.
My man that would be an absolute disaster. Watching Disney melt down from IP theft would be funny but we kinda need IP laws, preferably heavily reformed ones and not what we have today.

>>32916984
>My post was entirely about how the internet's been making copyright law obsolete for decades, which is why it IP laws should be tossed out.
That's retarded, not all media belonds to big megacorp boogeymans like Disney that everyone wants to stick the finger to. This is as stupid as saying that patents shouldn't be filed for any invention because China's juust going to copy some of them anyways.

>>32918398
>>32919305
To hell with government granted monopolies, simple as. You shouldn't be able to own an idea. That's outright egotistical.

>EN Girls can barely manage stream 2-3 days a week at the best of times
>Streams struggle to break 3 hours
>Act all burnt out
They do know this is a literal job they got hired for right? I don't get how management can be ok with their work-ethic unless they are doing a fuck-ton of lessons behind the scenes (I doubt it)

>>32859658
Its lazy but I am guilty of liking it.
I hate that I like it but its like chilling with real life friends.

>>32923563
>They do know this is a literal job they got hired for right? I don't get how management can be ok with their work-ethic unless they are doing a fuck-ton of lessons behind the scenes (I doubt it)

Because you don't have to pretend to be happy and engaged in most jobs. You just do your thing, but vtubers cannot just do the thing, but pretend they are enjoying themselves.

I'm a vtuber and have a small but constant audience on twitch, and after long enough you cannot bring yourself to lie to people and pretend you're having a good time when you're not.
Even in the few jobs you have to, like a cashier, you can be sure your job doesn't depend on making people smile. And if you can't, you will never see them again like a constant audience who is always judging you.

Sometimes it makes me wish I was a cashier again.