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>>32823544holy slut
>>32823345>ignoring the fact miku often sings songs with fucking males suchas len and kaito on concert stageskek, I laughed
>Ryeschizo caused EN3 to be delayed to January from October as originally plannedfucking kek
>>32823564MY slut
No Ryeshills allowed here, this thread is for vtubers only.
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>39,905: Miko (Hololive)>34,980: Suisei (Hololive)>24,931: Polka (Hololive)>20,275: Fubuki (Hololive)>18,264: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>17,106: Subaru (Hololive)>16,485: Koyori (Hololive)>15,509: Fubuki (Hololive)>14,372: Lamy (Hololive)>13,978: NeruMero (Indie)>13,256: Koyori (Hololive)>12,859: Choco (Hololive)>12,484: Reine (Hololive)>12,379: Ina (Hololive)>11,717: Sasaki (Nijisanji)>11,706: Nene (Hololive)>11,511: Lamy (Hololive)>10,936: Luna (Hololive)>10,690: Salome (Nijisanji)>10,151: Lamy (Hololive)>10,048: Shu (Nijisanji)>10,025: Watame (Hololive)
>only 184 waiting for the owlthis is going to be a shitshow.
>>32823636>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure>PER COMPANY8x: Hololive1x Nijisanji>PER STREAMER2x: Ayame, Pekora1x: Botan, Fuwa, Marine, Miko, Sora>2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY159x: Hololive83x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte3x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER32x: Pekora16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome15x: Miko9x:Nijisanji, Subaru7x: Marine6x: Hal, Hololive5x: Kanata, Mio, Toya4x: Flare, Gura, Noel, Okayu, Suisei, Towa3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
>Rye got kicked out of EN3 due to one of her fans posting her discord posts>ryeschizo posting them here was the reason why she got kicked out of en3Imagine if your retardation was the cause of your oshi losing her big break
Oh the NijiEN among us thing started. Who is even in it? only seems to be 4 PoVs
>>32823636>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live8) Botan (Hololive) - 88,981* - 3D birthday stream w/NePoLaBo9) Miko (Hololive) - 39,905 - HoloCure new update>PER COMPANY8x: Hololive1x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER2x: Ayame, Pekora1x: Botan, Fuwa, Marine, Miko, Sora>2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY158x: Hololive84x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte3x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER31x: Pekora16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome15x: Miko9x: Nijisanji, Subaru7x: Marine6x: Hal, Hololive5x: Kanata, Mio, Toya4x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura, Noel, Okayu, Suisei, Towa3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Polka2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
>>32823636
>32823508>Who is Rye?I watched her stream, and this is the new Rye, a fleshtuber, a cam whore.
>>32823544All I want in life is to peko to have an outfit reveal and it's literally just her taking off the white coat to reveal the bunny suit.
>>32823345>>Unlike gura who an hypocrite who talks about I want to be an idol like miku ignoring the fact miku often sings songs with fucking males suchas len and kaito on concert stages.>Miku>idolAsk me how I know you're newfag, shitpostchama?
>>32823679DMgirl, Fulgur, Aia, Finana, Shu, Mysta, Ike, Froot and i think RPR?
>>32823511>Ame wasn't live for any of these
>>32823636>>32823731
>3view indie gets this much attentionthis much rent free can only mean shes in holo right
>>32823737FUCK YOU ANON
>>32823664>>32823618??? qrd or at least link for backread.
>>32823737>Rye became a fleshtuber/vtuber hybridThe vshojo rrats are getting stronger each passing day
>>32823636>10,690: Salome (Nijisanji)Forget gold, Salami isn't even guaranteed a tally appearance anymore. To think that she could have legitimately been the start of the next age of vtubing (Ai and the 4kings > Mito and Nijisanji's live2d revolution > Hololive and the globalization of vtubers). It might sound like an exaggeration but this may very well be the biggest missed opportunity in vtubing history.
>>32823800its nothing, nothing is said or known besides the fact shes doing a stream to earn money for a car downpayment. everything after that is schizos rrats
grim
Ryeschizo...
>>32823814>>32823636
>>32823768why can't holoEN ever have a kino lineup like this?
>>32823636>>32823787
>>32823741I prefer the sundress It’s even canon, she have it in her room wardrobe along with her 2 other outfits
>>32823679Where's the 60k nijien box?
>>32823701>9-1Imagine only able to compete with gigabuff event like Koshien or botting-month like Salome. Not my company.
>>32823880>>32823636
>>32823800Absolutely nothing just filter Rye it's just spam at this point
>>32823636>>32823886
>>32823805>VshojoHow fucking long has it been since their auditions opened? Did they decide that there is no future in EN vtubers and decided to debut JP branch instead?
>>32823800>ryeschizo dropped a manifesto when rye graduated as proof that she's going to en3>cover updates their guideline regarding auditions>rye suddenly comes back and becomes a fleshstreamer
>>32823259Well she claimed an "infinite hiatus", denied going into Hololive, but at the very end of the stream, dropped a hint that "I might be back sooner than you think, you might have to find me".She also nuked every single one of her old Twitch VODs including her goodbye stream which had a lot of crying.This heavily indicated that she was going corpo.She also said on an older stream that she was rejected from NijiEN and VShojo, and she had enough numbers as an indie to compete against the smaller corpos and even release her own merch.That left only Hololive as a possibility. She was a Holofan, could sing and could play FPS related games and gun autism, which would fill a niche that EN doesn't have.She still has pic related at the end of the channel, so this is definitely a weird stream to do out of nowhere.That said, I missed a lot of early parts since I was at work, so I'll need to check if she left any other hints later on.I hope she doesn't nuke this VOD as well.
niji is losing to wvt kekthey can't handle it...
>>32823941>>32823636>>32823934kek
>>32823938>>32823636
>>32823929>1 AM CN timesleeping
I tried to open Rye"s twitter and it seems that it is now unprotected. She also made a tweet.https://twitter.com/RyeProject/status/1568280011123134465
>>32823971Rye-anon please...
>>32823890That too. If she has the sundress and the ability to remove the white coat. Then make her new outfit hairstyles available to all her outfits.
2020 miko wasnt as fuckable as she is right now the redesign and costumes did wonders
>>32824049its over
>>32823971Ryeschizo you are the reason why she lost her place in en3...
>>32823929>Where's the 60k nijien box?Starving to death from lockdowns and no food because they spent all their money on view farms and superchats.
>>32823971Ryeschizo, just give up...
>>32824025>>32823636
>>32824049I'll save people a click.Don't bother, it's not a Rye tweet. AND YOU, YOU SHITTER, STOP IT. IT WAS FUNNY MAYBE THE FIRST FEW TIMES BUT NOW ITS JUST TIRING.
>>32824049Ryeschizo status
>>32823772oh it's not only that they have to interact with JP, they have to stream it too...
Ryeschizo it's time to stop...
>>32824012>>32823636
>>32823636I think gold and silver miComet with HoloCure already happened before.
>>32823971>>32823664look at what you did anon
>ctrl-f20 mentions already wtf is this
How likely is it that EN3 won't be out in October
>>32824145>>32823636>>32824074Roboco needs one too but her papa is too autist to do it
>>32824166i mean its kinda funny if your oshi lost her golden ticket due to your shilling
>>32823607>>32823627How I'm I wrong gura often said it was her dream to sing on stage like miku and be an idol like her. But guess what unlike miku gura pretends males don't exist and pretty much ignore her new kouhai. I like gura I really do but she a hypocrite her oshi idol miku singed plenty of time with kaito. She just pretend they don't exist which is rude she at least Fauna or Kiara who may not collab with males acknowledge they fucking exist. She the only en member who straight up pretend their not real, she not a good senpai at all or fit to lead en. This is not counting she drop holo en for jp for fucking rust she was the nerd who drop her nerd friends for the cool jp kid once she got an bit of confidence. Kronii at least tried to help tempus out some and did nothing wrong she just have bad wording which lead to her name being drag to the mud.
How the fuck are you retards this obsessed with a 3 view indie trying to convert to a fleshtuber
>>32824074This is why I keep telling people an IRyS redesign can make or break her career path going forward
>>32823882>>32823768full lineup for the amogus collab>>32822773
>2view oshi is now 3viewbless holocure
>>32824192>>32823636
Rate it! 10=chad, 0=gayhttps://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1568280011123134465
>>32824234this is /vt/ board anon, go talk about you vocaloids on reddit
>>32824254The tits are a lie. I've seen her JAV
>>32823952Where are their JP memebers even, so far it’s 2ex holos. They haven’t even gambled on anything
>>32823741all I want is glasses and short hair.
>>32824328>>32823636
>>32824282For a big amogus collab with clout this numbers are pretty disappointing desu
>>32824234anon len and kaito were girls irl
So if everything is normal, we will see the King and the Queen dunking it out tomorrow A blast from the past
>>32824234This retard watch Hololive?
>>32824384I think we can pretty much conclude that twitch streamers are not a buff.
>>32823929where's the 60k holoen box?
>>32824382>>32823636
>>32824234Kek who will tell him?
>>32824357BIGGER
>>32824384what are froot, zentraya and rpr numbers?
>>32823934>3d>Rust>HolocureNice variety you have there
>>32824399I genuinely wish that King inclines so he can contest Peko again. I miss those days.
>>32824477>splatoon>amongus>handcamssame to you
>>32824334-10
>>32824334
>>32824234So, when are you going to start spamming "I can't believe Miku invented idol culture"?
>>32824128*Sigh*Be real with me anonCock, cum or both?
damn, with that amount of work Gura is putting into her projects we are about to get something BIG!she has been doing 1-2 streams per week for 3 months now, that must be at least 4 original songs with 2 live concerts ready!chumchad cannot stop winning!
who wins?
>>32824510nah kings numbers are tied to the fps scene and from the looks of it its still dead even though the meta for apex changed
>>32824384NijiEN as a whole have a ceiling of 10k, median of 3k and a floor of 500. Is my guesstimate on point?
>>32824513>>32823636
>>32824582rent free, fuck off
>>32824334>Throwing fruits and veggieswhat did he mean by this?
>>32824234Is this the French schizo with terrible grammar or another Euro schizo
>>32824510His popularity is still there, he got roughly the same number as Peko playing Cult of the Lamb and still get the highest number in any company eventHe just stopped competing completely
>>32824586nijienhaatons are jobbers
>>32824234Lol. Lmao stop talking about shit you took 3 mins looking up
>>328244683k froot and zen and 1k shitter rpr
>>32824586who cares? Don't you have your own thread?
>>32824234> EU hours> ESL schizo takessasuga
>>32823636>>32824621
>>32824477They do have varieties though. We even have PvZ and Angry Birds. It is just that those are the ones that bring numbers.
>>32824477Anon at least we won gold with those.Majority of Niji streams are splatoon 3 today and yet they couldn't even get a podium.
>>32824276Even if it's a good redesign, she still sucks at streams, doesn't stream often, and her music is terrible. So she'd get a small buff from tourists and then quickly go back to being a shitter when they realize she doesn't stream.
>>32824622>has to spend most of his time here because his oshi is not streaming>everyone else in holoEn downgraded to Tempus accessories grim, at least her "median" is still 20k right?
>>32824637>>32824596problem is that his fps/apex which is his buff content is currently doing bad numbers all around
>>32824624Those 2 emojis in particular represent cock and balls anonHe is touching a dick
>>32824586>Selen as goalieBruh there is no space for the ball to go in
>>32823636>>32824680
>>32824586>All out war>Fungus x SanaWhat the fuck
>>32824456woooooow
>>3282366014 wins left for hololive to win the year?
>>32824582Not only shes recording and dancing 24/7 but shes attending private Japanese lessonsShes getting at least N3 in December at this pace
> Polka still with 20k in RustThat game really inclined her huh...
>>32824718Kek
>>32824713thanks for explaining the joke /s
I think the problem people here have with EN is that as a whole they aren't numberfags at all and have no real ambitions to grow their channel or their music/idol career and are perfectly happy with only streaming debuff games or Minecraft until they die.The biggest outliers in EN are unironically Mori, Kiara and maybe Gura. But even Mori who was the song powerhouse seems to have peaked ever since the Universal thing. Kiara just kinda gave up. Gura is Gura.JP has people like that too like Luna or Roboco but this thread only looks at people like Pekora, Marine, Suisei, etc and all the Holos who don't get on the tally might as well not exist.
>>32824735>>32823636
>>32824586It's kinda depressing to see "accelerate" make it in into NijiEN's team
Holochads, status on Shuba's P4G and predictions to her upcoming stream?
>>32824771she was the darling of s1 due to that clip of her with the boombox and her dying from hunger
>>32824783>this thread only looks at people like Pekora, Marine, Suisei, etc and all the Holos who don't get on the tally might as well not exist.Now you get it anon
>>32824718
>>32824744There was some dude in /NijiEN/ complaining about a lot of their player names being catalog shit and a lot of the thread culture not making it in.Everyone told him to fuck off because votes had been taken.
>>32824797>>32823636
>>32824563It was this>>32824334
>>32823636Migo is baby, post Pekora.
>>32824693I enjoy HoloJp tho. Pekora and Koyori stream enough themselves for me to be satisfied at 100% everyday. Gura stream is Euphoria
>>32824834welcome to numbers
>>32824783I mean no shit, part of it is because their fans support everything they do, every kind of content they doAlso EN get their popularity handed to them no matter what they do, why bother?
>>32824856looking at those names hes not really wrong. its kinda wild how many are just catalog shitposts
>>32824856>Thread cultureWhat IS /NijiEN/ thread culture?
>>32824582everyo holo myth is losing to at least 1 tempussy with amelia leading the chart losing to everyone else
>>32824783>Numbers thread>Thread only cares about those generating numbersStrange
>>32824802>>32823636in what part is she?
>>32824894Based Chumbud.
>>32824783>I think the problem people here have with EN is that as a whole they aren't numberfags at all and have no real ambitions to growNot surprising since they have this shitter as the founder which dictates the companys direction.Compare her to Mito who embraces numbers and creativity and youll see why Nijisanji is better than Hololive since they made numbers and creativity as their pillar
>>32824941>Everyone in Myth>Ignores GuraWhy are you like this?
>>32824939Talking about whoever is streaming like /hlgg/
>>32824894>I-I always liked jp anyways>I don't even need Gura to stream to be satisfied sad cope, hopefully those audio engineers can make her happy for you
>>32824935>I mean no shit, part of it is because their fans support everything they do, every kind of content they doSo same with pekora then but the difference is that Pekora is actually entertaining compared to the rest of the group.
>>32823636>>32824964
>>32824991Gura is honorary HoloJP, anon
>>32824477>mogged with most generic contentwhy do you twist the knife in your own would?
>>32824991>Gura EN in 2022>after Ame called her a bitch live and went to suck the homocock
>>32824939Saying "pog" and complaining about Hololive.So yeah Fuck Hololive and Pog would have been strong players!
>>32824856Honestly if I was a Ryuguard I wouldn't want "Educate yourself" to be Finana's team rep but there's probably not enough Ryuguards to protest against it.
>>32825027>>32823636
>>32825025Not really but JP are just more receptive to criticisms. EN are plagued with the “If you don’t like it fuck off” mindset nowadays
>>32824769
>>32824939Seething about # and giving us cool names
>>32824767no they need 178
>>32824972atleast sora stream
>>32825079>>32823636
>>32824941Holy shit irys is pathetic
>>32825088>“If you don’t like it fuck off” mindsetThats the same mindset Pekora has though the only difference is that she is actually entertaining enough to turn her haters into her fans
>>32824972Where's mito now?
>attacking sora>holo vs holo>muh creative contentwow, the sisters are mad today.
>>32824856lol three of players are based on the discord leak
>>32824941Huh I thought Kobo is slowing down
>>32824586don't care when are we playing again (without kobo raping us this time please)
>>32825125
>>32825146Now I know you are a shitposter, you can stop replying to me now
>>32825025>>32825146This. Meanwhile on EN the one who truly embodies this whole mindset are>Ame>Mori>KiaraThe runt and most boring trio in HoloEN. Even Mori's music getting shit numbers nowadays compared to her heydays
>>32824894based if true
>>32824856>Everyone told him to fuck off because votes had been taken.Ah so that explains why some nijifans here were mad when that anon made that poll and that only a few niji stuff made it in the /#/ team since they already got cucked in /NijiEN/
>>32825148tied up in my rape dungeon
>>32825225>holo vs holowe get it, your team lost again. stop shitting the thread up now.
>>32825016I can always hear her Fansa, her asmr, all her karaokes in between my other HoloJPs. Gura is as majestic as the unicorn audience she cultivates.
>>32824783There's a balance to be had I feel.The only ambitious ones in EN are Fauna and Gura. They want to make entertaining stuff for the audience and contribute to the Holo ecosystem.Ame wants to do the same in her own way, but she also doesn't understand Hololive's culture so her contributions are mainly backstage stuff or tech related.Mori has "made it" for lack of a better term. She's been signed into a Music label, the ultimate goal for any aspiring indie artist. Her journey is essentially "done", and her newer songs reflect that. There's no ambition or weight behind them anymore.The rest of the ENs are some of the very rare few breed of western women who know about "gratitude" and "contentment". And so, while they are grateful for their audience and don't want to rock the boat too much, they also do not have any ambitions to go further beyond where they already are.In JP, for every Choco, Mel, Flare and Roboco (comfy girls who are fine with staying in their lane) there's a Pekora, Koyori, Miko and Suisei etc.EN is just currently weighted towards those who like the status quo. This will inevitably lead to stagnation.
>>32825191she, unironically, is slowing down, but I guess it's more like her "normal" now.
>>32825267>>32823636
> she can draw as wellI kinda get why Ryeschizo thought she was in tbqh
>>32825216>Now I know you are a shitposterHow am I wrong? Unless you are a newfag who only got here last august, pekora has always been I stream what i want or have you forgotten Shin chan and Apex?
>>32824972Mito is a shitter anon, I saw her waiting around my toilet
>>32824049the absolute faggotry
>>32824783>JP has people like that too like LunaFor fuck sake anon, at least do a cursory check on the numbers of people you are talking aboutI know you likely know fuck all about the JP girls numbers but here is a chart to help you>pic relatedLuna is at the highest point of her Hololive career and is not only a very hard working girl but very ambitious too, and her work goes at the exact direction of realizing her ambitions.Please don't lump people you seemingly know NOTHING about with the EN girls you know just to make an analogy.
>>32825276But you gotta admit that it's true anon, because this is more of an objective truth of the current state of Myth.
>>32825202Our match against vsj is tomorrow, we need a win to qualify, on top of pcg needing to not win. Did we have a hyp yet?
i wish the sisters would come up with some new bait. their constant holo vs holo spam is getting really boring now.
*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*>9/9 Daily Tally12,053: Ina (Hololive)10,877: Shu (Nijisanji)9,978: IRyS (Hololive)7,871: Kyo (Nijisanji)7,591: Baelz (Hololive)7,229: Fauna (Hololive)6,260: Mori (Hololive)5,642: Selen (Nijisanji)5,210: Ike (Nijisanji)>EN GOLD SO FAR FOR SEPTEMBER1. Gura (Hololive) - 15,128 (RUST)2. Yugo (Nijisanji) - 21,274 (English Telephone Game)3. Noir (Hololive) - 14,791 (Boomer vs. Zoomer game w/Baelz)4. Gura (Hololive) - 30,762 (Gura's Big Brain Games w/Ollie, Kronii, Ina, IRyS, Mumei, and Baelz)5. Vox (Nijisanji) – 25,137 (Unarchived Karaoke)6. Baelz (Hololive) - 11,711 (Plants vs. Zombies)7. Kiara (Hololive) - 21,528 (Holocure: Save the Fans)8. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,218 (Unarchived Karaoke)9. Ina (Hololive) - 12,053 (RUST)>GOLD PER COMPANYHololive - 7Nijisanji - 2Others - 0>GOLD PER STREAMER2x: Gura, Baelz1x: Yugo, Noir, Vox, Kiara, Ina>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)Baelz: 13Gura: 10Vox: 7Shu: 6Yugo: 5Noir: 5Mysta: 5Kiara: 5Ina: 5Fauna: 4Mumei: 3Alban: 3Enna: 3Regis: 3IRyS: 2Amelia: 2
>>32824937> Divegrass team votes for /NijiEN/ teams in /NijiEN/ alone> mostly catalog memesexplains who the shitposters are at least
>>32825390kys nijinig
>>32825409they should try holo vs homoEN spamming that's what gets people really riled up
>>32824783I mean this is why we constantly say EN needs a Kaela type streamer. I don't think people miss that distinction between streamers but JP has dozens of talents so they can have people like a Roboco without it negatively impacting the branch as a whole.
>>32825369I agree, It would make more sense if anon compared the EN girls to Haachama who is sticking to the i do what i want stream route and is getting shitter numbers for it
>>32825088I don't watch every EN but they don't seem to get any criticism or constructive feedback at all, except a few schizo SCs from time to time when they collab with males
>>32825409Can't help it when out of 12 months your company could only compete on 1 of itor 2 at least this year since Salome happened>And yet still couldn't secure a single winning month
>>32825409Here is something to distract from that:If there is a fanbase that has not heard of Vtubers or Hololive that you want EN3 to target, which fanbase?
>>32825177They've lost 5 days in a row and are down 7 days for the month already, with holo posed to lock up the year as well with potentially 2 months to spare. In a horserace thread like this, where the horserace is basically already decided, all they have left is shit posting and flinging
>>32825319>>32823636
>>32825468concession accepted
>>32825437kys
>>32825506>If there is a fanbase that has not heard of Vtubers or Hololive that you want EN3 to target, which fanbase?Thats a retarded premise since every fanbase that has an online presence has heard of vtubers one way or another
>>32825506Those who prefer holoJP
>>32825561>>32823636
>>32825506Oji-sans
>>32825506Sports normalfagsI want a Holo who does EPLel watchalongs and has a weekly FPL podcast
>>32825588You live in a well my dude if you think vtubing is well known outside JP and some part of US
>>32824783>Pekora, Marine, Suisei, etc The problem is that EN doesn't have people like those and that's why people also keep begging for EN3 hoping they get someone like that.JP has a bunch of Holos making albums or wanting to have Sololives or appearing in Japanese TV meanwhile in EN you have someone like Bae whose biggest dream is to organize a fucking unity Holostar collab.
>>32825622>>32823636
>>32825437>>328236608-1 on global tally, 7-2 on cripple tally, domination everywhere. It feels good to be holochads
>>32825725>>32823636
>>32825711Isn't Mori like that?
>>32825756
>>32825673No footy fans hate animeExcept French and Latinx
>Pekora has the same i stream what i want mindset and yet gets better numbers than the rest of hololiveThe "I stream what i want" is just cope at this point since the top streamer does it and yet seems to get good numbers despite of it.Its basically the same cope as "If they streamed daily they would get better numbers" which is also a cope since we can see Nijien doing that but still getting shitter level numbers.In the end it all rest on being entertaining
>>32825781>>32823636
Can you nijisisters fuck off now? You can come back when you win a month.
>>32825177What's wrong with discussing holo vs holo?
>>32825673Wait for me on StarsEN2, anon. I'm gonna do a weekly manchester united watchalong and news. No, I'm not Mark Goldbridge.
>>32825756Holochads winning
>>32825711Well here's the thing. Anyone with big goals like that in the EN sphere is not going to be a fucking Vtuber. Vtubers are the streaming scene in Japan. In the US, streamers are dominated by the twitch cliques. Vtubers are a side show.Also, even HoloJP hasn't even been able to find someone like Suisei or Marine since gen 3. All the heavy hitters in HoloJP are gen 3 or earlier.
>>32825832>>32823636
>>32825701Dont be retarded anon, I said a fanbase with an online presence anon not a country. Most of the fanbases with an online presence have heard of vtubers one way or another
>>32825437Reading the points tally from top to bottom is a rollercoaster if you were transported here from 1-2 months ago
>>32825839it always starts whenever niji loses a day. makes the intent of the discussions very obvious.
>>32825673I watch football and I watch Anime but I haven't met a lot like me. Its always one or the other
>>32825893>>32823636
>>32825701>premise is fanbase>shifts to countries for some reasonanon...
>>32825825>In the end it all rest on being entertainingExplain Twitch to me then
>>32824653holy fuck they threw a 3-1 lead to 3-4 you werent wrong
>>32825944>>32823636
>>32825838>Niji hasn’t won’t a month in like 2 years>NijiEn only ever won 1 month back in mayYou would expect them to have more recent success with how much they shitpost
>>32825825Unironically NijiEN streams too much, it makes it impossible to catch up on their past content. Like if I miss a day of Elira I'm never catching up on her old videos, there just aren't enough free hours in the day.
>>32825987twitch streamers are entertaining to the twitch crowd
>>32825369>>32825489>I agree, It would make more sense if anon compared the EN girls to HaachamaAnon, Haachama is in college, she is not sticking to "I do what I want stream" route.Haachama, much like Mumei, will have periods of high performance and high activity and periods where they'll just stream, maybe.>pic related for both of them in the same chartYou continue trying to find a parallel in the JP side for a streamer that just ceased to care but I don't think there is any, mostly because the ones that reached that level like, at times, Aki, Mel, Ayame, Aqua and Shion, just stop streaming altogether until they find their groove back.
>>32825998>>32823636
>>32825885>even HoloJP hasn't even been able to find someone like Suisei or Marine since gen 3unironically Towa
>>32826053>>32823636
>>32826130>>32823636
>still only 180 waiting for the owlher waiting room hasn't budged in an hour. this is going to be a trainwreck.
>>32826053>>32826130Why anime girl's armpits are so hot bros
>>32825825Doing daily streams does get better numbers. Just because NijiEN has shit numbers now doesn't mean they wouldn't be worse off if they stopped doing daily streams.And while Pekora does stream what she wants, she still cares more about numbers than EN. It didn't take 5 streams for her to finish off Cull of the Lamb like Kiara.
>>32825896Are you one of those self centered who thinks Anime is the center of internet sameway America is the center of the world??Most Sports fanbaseFinanceBusinessFoodMany big streamer of these topics might have heard of Anime but not sure if they know Vtubing term exists
>>32826202>>32823636cause they are clean and smooth
>>32826193all the femhoomans are watching vesper right now
>>32826040So it's the Koyori problem, but a whole branch
>>32826193lol did you jump to mumei now?
>>32826047So which one do you think is the bigger crowd regarding EN, YT or TwitchFor the sake of this thread, we only talk about live viewers
>>32826048>she is not sticking to "I do what I want stream" routeAnon dont be retarded now haachama has always been i do what i want stream route to the point that its become a meme A good example is that is her underwear stream she did recently
>>32825789Yeah but this board doesn't like Mori, so ignore that.
Btw, did Rye say anything significant in the end? I don't have any stake in this, but watching Ryeshill anon saga has been entertaining so far
>>32826291>>32823636
>>32826048>akai haato starts her schizo arc>numbers dropseems like a very solid proof to me
>>32826222*Many big streamer of these topics and their fanbase might have heard of Anime but not sure if they know Vtubing term exists
>>32826048At least Chammer, unlike the rest of EN, have a fucking dream, a real big one too. Better at voice acting, at editing, singing, become the greatest idol (whatever that is). Shit like this is why 3k Haaton are still watching her everyday despite her content's fucking dried up due to college work.
https://youtu.be/Q_Ascu4hfS0Mori news
>>32826364who's dying now?
>>32826040So we need a new wave got it
>>32826284Depends on what you meant by "EN". If it's like NA, then it's twitch, no question. If it's just EN-speaking in general then obviously it's Youtube.
>>32825976My bad, I meant fanbases based in those countries
>>32826339there isn't a lot to say. EN3 itself is nothing more than a cope at this point.
>>32826364Why that time tough
>>32825789Had she not completely botched how she handled the Lean Saga and and fractured her own fanbase with the UMG+RM shit, I'd agree with you. As it stands, she wants to have her cake an eat it too with two heaping handfuls of ego.
>>32823636>>32826349
>>32826202they smell good
can you last samurai faggots go back to /jp/ now?
>>32826222Anon ive been in sports and food fanbases and yes its a very small minority but some of them have heard of vtubers. The premise of the argument was that of a fanbase which has NOT heard of vtubers which means theres 0 people in that fanbase who has not heard of vtubers
>>32826364Looks like a new album or someshit
>>32826466>fractured her own fanbase with the UMG+RM shit,Do people on this thread just not watch streams? is that why they say dumb shit like this?
>>32826364>”it’s ya boy here to announce a FULL Myth x Tempus collab!”or something like that
Since MiComet got gold and silver does that mean MiComet sex?
>>32826532>expecting shitposter to watch streamhahano
>>32826361Gura wants to be an idol and learn Jp, Mori wants to be a musician, Kiara want to be an idol and dance on stage and Bae wants to also dance on stage and singA lot of ENs have dreams.
>>32823636>>32826506
>>32826284depends on what you consider ENif EN=NA then twitchif EN= Speaking english in general then youtube
>>32826452I know it's mostly just shitposting, but in itself why EN3 not happening is a possible scenario in the first place. Hololive has a consistent new gen cycle. at this point of time there is no branch in the pipeline before other branch even possible beside, you guessed it>EN3
>>32826300Now after the Mumei comparison I'm imagining Mumei doing an underwear stream.Yeah no this would never work for any EN girl. Idk how Haachama pulled it off.
>>32826300That has absolutely nothing to do with what is being talked about, which started at >>32824783>they aren't numberfags at all and have no real ambitions to grow their channel or their music/idol career and are perfectly happy with only streaming debuff games or Minecraft until they die.and>JP has people like that too like Luna or Robocowhich is absolutely false, then you moved it to >>32825489>if anon compared the EN girls to Haachamawhich is also absolutely false.There is NOTHING in Haachama's content that even remotely resembles having "no real ambitions to grow their channel" or being "perfectly happy with only streaming debuff games or Minecraft until they die".I don't know how the conversation moved to "I do what I want" style of streaming but 1) Haachama content AT IT'S PEAK was always exacrly that2) There is nothing in it that is anything remotely to having "no real ambitions to grow their channel"3) The only reason there is any lower perceived effort in her content right now is, like for Mumei (and Bae?) her college schedule
>>32826048every time I see this graph, I feel something inside me...I don't know what, but it's something alrightPLAY BUFF GAMES HAACHAMA, WE WANT YOU IN RUST, WE WANT TO SEE YOU PLAY HOLOCURE, PLEASE YOU DUMB RETARDED SCHIZO
>>32826571>>32823636
>>32826364I want to punch her face
>>32826361nah haachama has the same problem with en girls where her fanbase dont actually criticize her even when shes doing retarded shit same with most of the en girlsits the reason why her numbers are atrocious
>>32826532Why the fuck we should watch Mori's clearly low effort streams? at least if she actually cared enough be entertaining for once.
>>32826570Please don't mix Gura and Calli with Kiara.For all the grief they get, those two are actively working in the direction of realizing their dreams.Kiara is nothing like that, not in her Hololive attitude at least.
>>32826625>>32823636
>>32826521Keep crying ENshart ;)
>numbers thread>95% of the posts are thinly veiled holoEN anti posts from rattled nijiniggerswhy is it always like this?
>>32826689>>32823636
Uh nijisOur guaranteed EN golds?
>>32826660It's not even about watching mori streams, it's about knowing how stream-watchers think. Who the fuck is going to stop listening to Mori music just because of RM music coming out? If anything has made her newer music less popular, it's the move away from her style of rap towards a more generic Jpop style that doesn't really suit her.
>>32826605>"no real ambitions to grow their channelSeeing as how she didnt even play rust or went to the summer festival after everyone it kinda looks like she gave up
>>32826736HoloEN lives rent free in their head
>>32826605>Haachama content AT IT'S PEAK was always exacrly thatThats the thing though haachama reached her peak with that content and decided that she doesnt want to expand which is why she doesnt do anything else to expand herself like the summer festival or doing rust.Doesnt help that her retarded schizo bit also doesnt help her expand since it filters a lot of new fans
>>32826612I don't know for how long you follow Haachama but, other than some very OCD games like Super Bunny man, Getting Over it or Tetris, Haachama ABSOLUTELY SUCK at gaming.She didn't have a lot of change to get good in any of them in her Australia stint, she was streaming out of a laptop (IIRC) and her internet connection, like all Australian connections, fucking sucked.But that's not an excuse, she suck at it too and would likely become super fucking frustrated playing Holocure, Elden Ring, RUST or any other FOTM because she hates sucking at things in public.For a while it was her bit too, she would suck at Fall Guys (for instance) and people would LOVE it because it was that Hololive arc when "cute girls raging at games and being loudly frustrated and banging the table" was the metaBut then she tried a "No win no fin" Fall Guys challenge, rage quit after about one hour and I believe that was the last time she played games other than Minecraft or collabs consistently
>>32826523I am the one who asked that question, but you are taking it too literally,ofcourse you cannot say for certain if there is a fanbase who has never heard of vtubers, but its more about an unusual fanbase which you would like EN3 to target who no one has targeted yet
>>32826744Yeah, then again she personally asked her label for a more mainstream music so...kinda like not even knowing what you actually good at even after doing it for almost a decade.But to be pretty honest she should stop doing this western rapper meta of "fuck the haters" and start making more song like EOL. Would love a Home Made Kazoku style of rap too about dreams and friends cliche.
Miko is not sexy
>>32826736It is always like this because its not just nijiniggers. JPfags are desperate to shit on HoloEn too.
>>32826912WHOA we have a big faggot over here
>mindshare snickersokay, shitposts aside, you do realize that does matter, right? don't just focus on the narrow numbers, consider the broader numbers.
>>32826912You will fap.
>Shondo has streamed for 29 hoursWTF
>>32825885I would put Watame and Towa up there. No they don't get 10 million views on all their songs but that's not really the point.Gen5... maybe Nene, or Polka with her 3D content and all her covers but that might be stretching it.Gen6 is still too early to tell, but Koyori and Lui are still putting in work while Chloe, Iroha and Lap have been disappointing.
>>32826364Another flop album after she sold out to UMG
>>32826612>>32826658At least she got her reason other than "i just want to do what i want, if you don't like it don't watch". Her underwear review show that, she knows that her audience want her to play those fotm like Rust but she doesn't, not because she want to play sth else for her own pleasure but because she want to be the first to play those game, she doesn't want to chase after other trend but the one who set those trend. She also do those lewd stream to get reaction out of audience, not because she likes lewd stuff that much.
>>32826744Personal anecdote is why I made the statement. Now, fair is fair I am probably in the small minority, but how the UMG + increase in RM activity comes across to me is that she wants to funnel her fanbase from Holo into her RM. Her lack of care in securing the ability for other Holomem to sing her new songs comes across as 'i don't really care for Hololive as a whole very much', and instead of utilizing the extra time gained from the UMG deal to say make a better stream experience, she just dumped it into her RM instead? Yea, it rubbed me the wrong way, which is why I dropped watching her or listening to her songs. I understand the reaction isn't entirely logical, but then again being a fan of someone isn't a purely logic driven process to begin with.
>>32826789>Seeing as how she didnt even play rustThere is one reason for that (pic related), and it is the same reason Sora doesn't play it>>32826877>Thats the thing though haachama reached her peak with that content and decided that she doesnt want to expandYou are talking out of your ass here, she talks extensively about her plans with her audience and tries many things at her reach to omprove her content and, most importantly, always taking Haaton opinion in consideration.There is one thing Haachama never did, EVER, and that was to ignore the opinion of her audience or, worse, do the opposite of what they wanted to spite them
>>32826885I would agree she needs to be good in games like holocure but in rust, we're in for the juicy interactionshaachama mixes SO well with every single person currently playing rust, and she has a knack for doing something of a story arc in it
>>32826975It does and I hate that /#/ got baited into letting nijiiggers make this word into a meme. Mindshare for example is how Myth is still on top of Council even though Council has been beating them in CCV for months now.
>>32826900>but its more about an unusual fanbase which you would like EN3 to target who no one has targeted yeIf thats the case then its pretty hard since there are vtubers who have targetted things like sports, cooking and even rocket launches but they dont do really well numberwise since people would rather watch fleshstreamers than vtubers in that department.
>>32826958>JPfags are desperate to shit on HoloEn too.Anon, the EN audience surely can take as much as they can dish out, that's what they said last week or the other
>>32826911Not a rap lover but I enjoy Hamilton a lot.But I don't know how that kind of rap survives outside of that particular musical because it's really different from what I've experienced.
>>32826997meth
>>32827044>was to ignore the opinion of her audience or, worse, do the opposite of what they wanted to spite them>who is haachamas chinese audiencebut then again those fuckers deserve it
>>32826364Its clearly an album or an EP which is concerning coz it means very little time was spent in making music and her music quality is declining
>>32827057>rustSee >>32827044. In more than one occasion, from 2020 to 2022, she had to cut her Minecraft streams short because of motion sickness.Sora mentioned the same thing recently>Why Sora chan probably won't play Rust and Strayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwr7sFiCMksI have no idea of what motion sickness is, but I am not afflicted with car sickness or sea sickness as well.
>>32827044isn't motion sickness connected to the blur in game?
>>32827033>Her lack of care in securing the ability for other Holomem to sing her new songs comes across as 'i don't really care for Hololive as a whole very much', and instead of utilizing the extra time gained from the UMG deal to say make a better stream experience, she just dumped it into her RM instead?Anon you need to get off /vt/, this is crazy. She literally just yesterday gave Magni the green light to use her music during streams. Similarly, she did utilise UMG stuff to improve her content - she brought out a big concert. And she streams some of the most in EN - she did 28 streams last month. The idea that Mori doesn't care about Holo is completely unfounded. Sure she puts energy into her RM (but she is not the only one in the company, some of the biggest holofans in JP have pretty big RM stuff).
>>32827134>who is haachamas chinese audienceYou must be mistaken Haachama with Coco. Haachama apologized on her own volition the very next thread and did sincerely too.She also never ever ever antagonized them, even at the height of the chinkout and, conversely, they never ever ever even thought of attacking her for the same reason.
>>32827084>falling for the hololive is a toxic fanbase bait last weeki bet you 50 bucks that some of the posts here have been screenshotted and posted in other sites to show the hololive is a toxic fanbase narrative
>>32827141Really wish we have a comparison of sales in her music to see if people really lose interest in her music outside of just based on YT views
>>32827162Huh that's interesting. Bae also got motion sickness today on streamI get it sometimes. It's usually motion blur that causes the biggest issue. And yeah it's pretty much like car sickness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHmmG3RQhmQhere's the real reason
>>32827084See? Random retard here grudge posting some other random retard no one even knows about. That's how /jp/ schizos operate, endless grudges half the people weren't even around to trigger. They're fucking tolkien dwarves, except they eat pagpag.
>>32827272>>32823636
>>32826975>>32827077Mindshare is extremely important but almost impossible to quantify and measure by publicly viewable metrics. You'd need a proper popularity poll or something like that.
>>32827235This is literally the most toxic thread in the entire board and it's 95% holobronies circlejerking. Niji fans stay in their own generals.
>>32827271So she has the i stream what i want mindset then
>>32823660Another day, another gold.
>>32827162>motion sicknessI have that shit sometimes when i'm playing game. I'd say it's milder than car sickness for me. This is why i mostly stick with 2D game
>>32823636>>32827321
>>32827271Yeah she likes to debuff herself, there's no point in saving her
>>32827362stop crying
>>32827248>motion blur>>32827207>blur in gameI have no idea. The only time I fel "unwell" playing a vidya was all the way back on >Descent 2times, see belowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5kfTqNJ_vwHoly fuck, it was the first (and I think only) game that I ever played where you had 3 axis of freedom and really moved in "real 3D, meaning there was no "up and down", whatever position your ship moved in 3D was your new position.It used to cause this ABSURD uneasiness, like when the elevator is going down and you feel it in your gut something is wrong because you are not seeing any movement but your body tells you you are not still.
>>32827080and thats where my concern comes from, myth and council has pretty much reached a general EN vtubing audience. People who SHOULD know about Vtubers do know about vtubers and we can judge by Gura's subs.To expand the market you will need to target or hope to reach a very different audience coz everything is stale right now
>>32827288>They're fucking tolkien dwarves, except they eat pagpag.kek
>>32827162it happens when what your eyes perceive doesn't match what your inner ear perceives. this causes nausea.
>>32827044>>32827162>haachama doesnt want to play rust because of le motion sicknessmeanwhile>>32827271She literally has the same mindset and its the reason why she has shit numbers
>>32827288Since when this site is anything different than "talk shit get hit"?People wanting a safe space would be better off in a site with strong editorial moderation, maybe upvotes and downvotes too.
I think people got warped a bit by haachama, if you would remember her numbers before coco you would see that there isn't that big of difference.since coco's debut haachama had been stacked with buffs on buffs on buffs, from her arrival at australia arc to coco debuting bringing more english people in, into her haachama persona, into the pandemic and being stuck in australia arc, into myth debuting and bringing more english people in who are new to vtubers, into the chink out and her resurgence from her suspension, into her return from Australia arc into her schizo arc, into coco's graduation arc and then suddenly on February of 2022 she just...crashed, and has her ups and downs nowadays depending on what she's doing
>>32827430>To expand the market you will need to target or hope to reach a very different audience coz everything is stale right nowThere is no hope of expanding the market now anon, this is peak vtubing market for now. The only way to expand the market is to have one of the giant entertainment corpos like disney go full all in to vtubing and youll see the market expand to the mainstream exposure
>>32827392>>32823636
>>32827210>she streams some of the most in ENI always find this point about Mori as a praise is fucking retard. Her choice of streaming has always been for her pleasure, barely any effort was put in those hours, that's why she can stream that much.
>>32827430FUND MY METAL/ROCK CHUUBA OMEGA!!!
>>32823971So if you want to weed out the competitions, just doxx their Hololive auditions?
>>32827534so the tldr version of what your saying is that she always got shit numbers due to her i do what a want policy
>>32827236You can judge by the reaction videos of her music. There is a channel ravenclaw or something and she did a detailed analysis of Suisei and Mori songs you can see that actually musicians can see that Mori is not that good
>>32827499I'm curious now, what triggered your schizo grudge posting towards EN? Does it involve black ships?
>>32823636>>32827622
>>32827597Nah they have to do something stupid like doing the "im not going to hololive" nudge nudge wink wink thing that rye did
>>32827472>its the reason why she has shit numbersAnon, in August Haachama outranked Bae, IRyS, Mori, Ame and Kiara>without even touching RUSTThe only EN to outrank Haachama average were>Gura and Ina>Fauna, Mumei and Kronii
>>32827572There’s no meaningful difference in effort between her streams and the rest of HoloEN
>>32823636>>32827661
>>32827360>>32827406>>32827472of course she has the same mindset, she used to fucking force herself to edit videos and prep everything last minute for her schizo streams, yet somehow now she suddenly doesn't find the time to do anything except sudden bursts every now and then instead of a constant stream of buff content to pump up her numbers?obviously something has gone awry with her channel but she herself probably knows something that we don'tshe goes form 4.5k average one month then suddenly gets 8k average the next, then goes back down to 5k the next and so on and so forth
>>32827675Not very impressive for a JP though. Their box is x2 EN's. If they're not getting X2 numbers they're not really doing great. Exceptions of course exist, like if 2+ First Army are overlapping you, in which case that box just goes to them.
>>32827661im only here for the hot miko pics.someone post the one where shes fingering herself spread eagle.
>>32827360Dumbass, the stream she want is not for her own enjoyment like what Mori Kiara were doing. She actually want her audience to enjoy her shit too.
>>32827631There is no schizo grudge. People were talking shit last week, someone else complained, one anon mentioned something like "EN folks surely can dish out, I wonder if they can take as much as they dish", anons said something like "yeah, as if anyone could "move the needle on dishing on EN" (I think that was the exact expression) and here we areTurns out they can't?
>>32827716>>32823636
>>32827675shit numbers in relation to jp anon everyone in jp who played rust because they dont have the i stream what i want mentality that haachama has have inclined
Who is likely to join en3 at this point?rye or queen?
>>32827746This?
>>32823636>>32827772
>>32827675thats actually not impressive jp wise considering they have 2-3x the box en has
wtf with this thread LMAO.constant bait and falseflagging, and amidst those retardity, someone keep posting Miko's porn
>>32827763Jesse what the fuck are you talking about you schizo?
>>32827785
>>32827833sisters are rattledplease andastand
>>32827763I'm asking what that "talking shit" was about anon.
>>32823636>>32827822
prediction for Pego and King stream later?
>>32827732>obviously something has gone awry with her channel but she herself probably knows something that we don'tShe just became lazy like the en girlsShould honestly call it quits at this point since she might get good numbers for her graduation arc
>>32827564Sony has their vtubers, did nothing for anyone.If this is the peak of EN then I would rather they focus on regional - go for KR, PH or ES, don't oversaturate with 5 more EN members
>>32827625TrYou reminded me of a vocal coach Tristan Paredes breaking down HER singing way before Myth debut and now we have Gura.
>>32827833I am just enjoying the miko porn
just a reminder, that by the time en gets to the same # of chuubas as jp if that even happens, people like ame and kiara and mori will end up like how haachama is right nowthey will leave them for others the same way they left haachama in fact, by the time en 4 comes out, myth will be akin to ikkisei with gura being their fubuki and ame being their haachama
>>32827790Thats half of the pic im looking for. Wheres the money shot?
>>32824939Being influenced by /#/
it seems people are too new to remember the amount of shitposting about JP when Gura hit 1mil or 2mil or 3mil or 4mil... (our entire branch hinges on a single member btw)
>>32823636>>32827925
>>32827753>She actually want her audience to enjoy her shit too.Same with kiara and mori which is why only deadbeats and kfp love their streams.Only haatons like haachama streams at this point which is why she just does the i stream what i want thing since like kfp and deadbeats, haatons will just eat anything up
>>32827763>Turns out they can't?I mean from the looks of the thread jp's still cant take it since they refuse to accept that haachama is basically the same as mori, ame and kiara now
>>32827833They got new fund from Paul Li. Constant bait even in catalog
>>32827970JPshart literally crying bitch tears that shitposters used numbers to get at him
>>32827970Ah, so IT IS the 2 year old black ships grudge posting, good to know. 2 years of pure seethe, kinda amazing. 80% of this thread probably wasn't even there lmao.
>>32828078ENshart can't take the heat when they get beaten by hard numbers 90%+ of the year
>>32827901>Sony>going all in on vtubingyou having a laugh anon? they didnt even feature them on crxIf they actually did go all in on vtubing like having them as easter eggs in games or their movies then their numbers would have been different.
fgo's total revenue for august has exceeded 6.3 billion yen btwwill hololive ever be able to compete?
>>32828153they canIf they make a hololive gacha
>>32827953The only difference being that Myth has shit ton more MINDSHARE, has two of the highest EN streamers and probably the biggest EN Vtuber/artist in mori. But yeah, apart from all the ways that Myth is a super strong gen, they're weak.
>>32827953They need to seriously pick up the pace if they are going to get to EN4. I get accelerate being bad but there has to be a middle ground, the expansion is literally at a standstill
>>32827828>considering they have 2-3x the box en has>>32827735>Their box is x2 EN's. If they're not getting X2 numbers they're not really doing great.Should this be the first item of a "ENCOEP" list?I say that because it is dumb as fuck and unheard in 2020 or for most of the Myth golden age.EN has an ENORMOUS potential, Gura is proof of that. She doesn't even need to try any hard, she is just consistent in her choice of content and her choice of style.You go back and watch a Gura 2020 VOD, you then watch a Gura 2021 VOD and a Gura 2022 VOD and there is little change, except in the parts she actually improved.Ina likewise. She was slow and comfy back in 2020, back in 2021 and now in 2022 and the stability of her numbers also reflect that.I'll make a carve out for Mori here: her live streaming may not have improved and her live streaming numbers are suffering but she improved overall too. I don't know if UMG will significantly improve her music sales but she's fighting tooth and nail to achieve that.Now Ame and Kiara: they both are worse streamers now than they were at debut. They didn't improive the littlest in their own livestreamsame improved technically, mostly to help othersand picked up all sorts of bad habits and let the fact they're the top of the field rise to their heads.As for these last three, it's even worse: they taught the next gen the WORST habits while passing none of the good advice, creating a gen that had everything absolutely lopsided against them because they were taught>just do what you want at your own pace>success will just comeI'll give to Fauna and Bae here: both quickly shook that mentality off and are doing everthing in their power to incline.Mumei can't, she has to balance college and streaming and can't commit much more than she is>Kronii....She squandered her gift
>>32828153If they copied the Uma Musume strat of idol anime + tie in gacha yeah they probably would
>>32825506I want a girl who can play NBA2K, and at least decent enough to have some highlight reels.
>that girl from production kawaii is playing holocuredoes it help her number or debuff her number?
>>32828231Blame tardgo and his obsession with making holostars work
>>32827901sony has a reputation in vtubing thoughRemember disney turned a dead ip like iron man, hulk, thor and avengers into a money making machine. Im pretty sure that if they went all in to vtubing and I mean all in not that shit sony is doing. I willing to bet that they can get 30-50k ccv on all their vtubers from the disney normalfags alone and thats not including events
>>32828281A lot of the Kawaii girls have played Holocure, going by a quick search on Holodex.
Honestly nuke /jp/. No one gives a fuck about touhou anymore, the cancers that are the va and jav threads will be gone forever, and all the vtuber threads can move here to help combat the constant catalog bait.
>>32828153>Arcureid>releasing 3 SSR banner in one patch>it's f!Merlinthey cheated with the print money button
>>32828281Name?
>>32828281Why would it debuff her?
>>32828225>and probably the biggest EN Vtuber/artist in mori.Weird way to address Ina, anon...
>>32828281idk about her but Pippa got good numbers playing holocure
>>32828374musical artist anon...
>>32828348kek, WTF? Where did this rant even came from?
>>32828217God, a hololive gacha or if that Holo genshin clone actually becomes a thing would probably print money for Cover
>less than 1k waiting for the green whore when she's playing a gigabuff gameoh no no no no no
>>32827992>kiara and moriThey don't take their audience opinion in consideration, they just want to play. Chammer barely play game and only does creative stuff , her pleasure is from her audience reaction, not from doing those stuff. But she can only take her ideal so far as college and her own creativity would cripple her.
>>32828153>>32828358they were only 2nd to that new genshin knock off
>>32828307>tardgo>implying en3 getting delayed wasnt sana's faultI still believe that her graduating forced them to switch the debut date for starsen1 and en3 since debuting starsen1 before en3 is a death sentence for the boys once en3 comes out.
>>32828348Meant for >>32827970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcFEQtQ1hQYtoday's gold
>>32828411you do this every time anon...
>>32827785If anything, they are doing a good job stopping any leak.
>>32828231If Rye is literally the reason why EN3 is delayed that might be the funniest shit in Cover's hiring history
>>32828435EN3 was never going to happen even if Sana stayed. Council flopped and Cover switched gears to see if EN Male vtubers would give them more success than they had with females.
>>32828472KING I KNEEL IN ADVANCE!
>>32828432Tower of Failure?they are on release monthso yeah, it's expectedbut the future of that game looks bleak with rampant cheaters and devs incompetence
>>32828418I watch all 3 and basically there is not difference from their behavior when it comes to their audience though since their audience babies them and just agrees with them
>>32828531that game is an Iluna tier flop in the making
>>32827953it's how all it'll always end up anon, they're already on thin ice with the lack of streams letting a whore like fauna incline like she dida single gen that actually streams would start the end of myth, two gens and it'll end just as you said
how's the reine concert do last night?
>>32828570I agreeMobile MMO will never be a thing
>>32828361shee icho >>32828362just wonder.but to my surprise even her audience know who is yagoo from chat's reaction kek.
>>3282859010k
>>32828241>last samurai using vod copenow ive seen everything
>>32828625EN3 waiting room for dolphins and whales
Looks like yugo's korean pandering paid off.https://twitter.com/Yugo_Asuma/status/1568212150669430790https://twitter.com/Yugo_Asuma/status/1568216013879255042https://twitter.com/clip_yugo/status/1568238432669036544The question is if he (female) can handle batshit insane korean sisters
>>32828241>le copenah, JP is just that strong. vtubing has nearly taken over streaming there. it will literally never be equalled in any other region except maybe china (but with actual chinks speaking the language, not foreign prostitutes). I'll give you an easy visual: 40k JP is the equivalent of 20k EN is the equivalent of 10k ID.Think, how many times have you thought about someone that wasn't Pekora/Gura/Kobo getting a 20k and not thought "damn, a 20k for x, that's impressive for her". Now don't misunderstand my argument, its not some retarded "40k japs are worth 20k EOPs". What I'm saying is that in terms of how hard to achieve numbers are, those are the "big" thresholds for each. Difference is that JP has been chugging along for so long that it actually has more than just 1 big hitter, but still only Marine, Miko and Pekora are capable of reaching 40k casually.
>>32828472>possible ririmu lewds
>>32826885she's actually pretty decent in valorant, i'm sure she'll be fine futzin around in rust
>>32828472>ririmu lewdsI hope this doesnt slip
>>32828348There is literally no point, you'd just be taking touhous from autists. /hlg/ have never been real /jp/ anyway, they were primarily vtuberfags. As you can see, /jp/ already moved here. How fucking ironic for them to end up using the very board the hated and designated as ENshart territory.
>>32828625Well yeah? Most of the talents are holofans, hell their entire company is inspired from hololive and their idols
>>32828625Is it really that surprising? A lot of small corpo watchers are probably former/current Holo watchers, you don't just walk into the small corpo scene by accident.
>>32828683only king's lewd is allowed.it has been a long time to have a chance to post his lewd.
>>32828625These will be the Production Kawaii Holocure streams to look forward to for numbershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ssNDgW5GAEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVIG4JgQ3k
>>32828672>mfw browsing through the "yugo oppa" keyword shit on twitter>you wasn't joking about crazy korean sisters, even one korean fag mentioned itWelp lets see how this shitshow goes
>>32828330Sony and Disney are so big and money hungry that if they believed that this is a very profitable industry they would have gone in.The lack of those big corporate involvement shows that companies are not sure if return will be big enough, obviously apart from Hololive or in a smaller scale Nijisanji.That is why Hololive is uncontested coz their Competitive advantage is almost impossible to replicate, many tried mostly failed.
>>32828472>>32828512>>32828683>>32828729Fuck off, nijishill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwOwBAlUfwoRIP Mumei
>Noir>not even 4kTempiss is over
>>32828734this is false according to the numbers/jp/ gets a bigger relative boost during JP events, and especially so for non EOP friendly holos
>>32828756Small EN corpos have no problem playing Holocure. Nijisanji won't.Do small JP corpos play it?Also does Vshojo?
>>32828590Massive flop, can't imagine ID1 3D
>>32828756that's a nice nene
>Enterhttps://youtu.be/JwOwBAlUfwo
>>32828472If you think Kuzuha is big nowadays, you are in for a huge awakening.
>>32828824Mumei is getting the funnel though. Gura won't stream this for 4 hours.
>>32828887cripple gold secured I guess?
>>32828739>probably former/current Holo watchersI thought most of the vtuber fans are/were niji watchers?
>>32828712>she's actually pretty decent in valorant,That's because it's her "comfy" game, one she said she refused to play on stream because it was her go to "relaxing" time (with HSKW of all people)
>>3282882440k screenshot this
>>32828824IKZ!
Is it really a topic of debate or even questioned that JP box is bigger than the EN one?Mind you, there's a big box overall for all of hololive, that's one of its main powers. But the bulk of hololive live viewership comes from japan. And why would it not? That's where vtubers are mainstream. That's where new vtuber corporations can unironically rise, while in EN and ID you got miss after miss on that front.
>>32828625Who in the western world DOESN'T know who YAGOO is at this stage?
>>32828824She'll end up getting Gura's funnel but yeah it will kill some of the hype for Fauna to play it, THEN Gura, and be 3rd in line on the same day. Assuming IRyS doesn't randomly throw up an 11 EST stream as well.
>>32828842 ironmouse had played it before.
>>32828938SNOfags eating good tonight
>>32828924>Is it really a topic of debate or even questioned that JP box is bigger than the EN one?I doubt that's debatable. The nol debate is whether or not a JP streamer has to have 2x the live audience numbers of an EN streamer to be considered "on par", which is dumb as fuck.
>>32828910What did Shu end up getting for the vshitshow collab?
>>32828983T...
>>32828785Vtubing is in the 2002 - 2007 comic book movies phase where there is big money to be made but disney doesnt consider it as profitable yet. Once something akin to iron man 1 happens in vtubing Disney and everyone else will go all.
>>32828795no
>>32828824>>32828887>Overlapping Mori's big announcement
>>32828824So, is Gura a numberfag? Came back just to stream this lmao.Just realized all of SNO jumped on it immediately.
>>32828910Cripple gold was already secured by Fauna or Mumei streaming it. NijiEN has seriously been losing more and more recently, dunno what the fuck happened to them.
>>32829002Doesn't matter because he started before day change, but not much as it is currently
>>32828928nijien fans
>>32829002like a smidgen over 10k
Feel bad for Ina, her Splatoon 3 premier is gonna be like 7k or something.
>>32828841I hope ID1 3D get overlapped with many JP, they deserved it for doing the same
>>32829045>Mori's big announcementDidn't it get spoiled with the announcement yesterday?
>>32829067splatoon was never going to pull numbers and she's got yesterday's gold so she's fine
>>32828824possible global gold desu if pekora isn't doing holocure too or rust
>>32829055So he lost to Ina after people said he'd get like 20k? I don't even know if people were just shitposting, I think we're living in the past where Luxiem would put up big numbers for anything outside of basically karaokes.
>>32826532I'm one such person who was filtered by that arc. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one since her recent music numbers speak for themselves.
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>>32828938Mumei is the best player out of them so she would be fine in a way I guess. But yeah hopefully IRyS doesn't pull what she did yesterday
>>32828995>>32823636
>>32829121No way man. Gura might have had a shot of global gold with Holocure if it was:1)the first one, where she was a central character2)one of the first streams, not the 20th or w/eThis is just gonna be a nice little 25k.
>>32829045Mori literally never streams in that timeslot, her fault for picking it today for some reason.
>>32828887what the fuck
>>32829151Shame, Katana Zero is a fun game to watch. So he must be extra shit
>>32829140Yes he did lose to Ina
>>32829106what was it?
>>32828990I don't think that was that guy's argument; rather, that the effort required to obtain the numbers is much greater for HoloEN than it is for HoloJP. The premise of his argument is flawed (YouTube's public CCV counter is unreliable as a source), but not entirely wrong.
>>32829050>nowa at 3.5k>collabs with the females didnt affect the males they saidonly makes the boys audience are unityfags and collabeggars that fuck off after rrat stronger
>>32825756Feels good to be winning brothers
>>32829090Anon, JP keep getting good numbers are because ID overlapit's the ritual
>>32828094this seems really gay, Anon.
>>32829109She'd probably clear 10k if she had an hour solo like she usually does but Fauna starting at 5 means that isn't happening. Fauna once again proves herself the most strategic streamer in Council (and probably the whole branch), shifting up one hour to give herself 3 clear hours before Gura steamrolls everyone.
>>32829196>>32823636
>>32829151they really watch the homos eh?
>>32829140NijiEn has fully transitioned into being NijiJP: no one fucking cares about their normal streams, they'll show up for the events in ridiculous numbers. So basically ,they've damned themselves to losing to Hololive in most stats, "daily gold" especially.Some might hate me for saying this, but Shu of all people is shaping up to be their Kuzuha: some FPS autist that doesn't fujobait too much. He's also mainly an NA streamer.
what happened to niji last night? they had their chance for the gold with Pekora taking a break but they still lost.
>>32828913People who are watching production kawaii are even less likely to watch Niji than your average holofag. That's the dedicated GFE corpo.
>>32828824while cripple gold is definitely going to gura, I think a potential funnel might even benefit mumei, specially since she’s the best EN holocure playerstill was it really necessary to have 3 holocure streams one after the other?
>>32829214Anon...
>>32825905I would say Holo v Holo shitty timeloops are more Nijinog style.Most of what's happening here is people being bored since Holo is winning everything and finding stuff to discuss, like the recent EN branch trends.
>>32829226What?
>>32828938>>32829166IRyS said she will be taking a break today after her trip with Watame (supposed to do that yesterday, but she decided to throw a guerilla out of nowhere because she slept early the day she returned and woke up early), so it's unlikely for her to be around. Moom should be safe in that timeslot
>>32829278>Some might hate me for saying this, but Shu of all people is shaping up to be their KuzuhWait that actually begs the question, who is the NijiJP equivalent of Vox then?
>>32826339Naw she raided her BFF whiskey and went to get lunch.Apparently she plans to stream semi-regularly, but still insists that she's on hiatus due to irl stuff taking up her time.
>>32829045No one gives a shit, and 99% chance it's just some music thing. Announce it on twitter. But it's probably contractual from UMG to do a promotional stream for it.
>>32823636>>32829312
>>32829226Only one who has not collabed with any female>Axel>Least subbedExplain that
>>32829296>still was it really necessary to have 3 holocure streams one after the other?last month everyone was flipping their shit that Myth was 2 weeks late to the game that was about them. now they can actually play and its like "well must we all play on the same day" like they've ever coordinated a schedule in their life
>>32829251>StrategicAnon she had already mentioned streaming earlier today before any of the frames went up and was considering Cult of the Lamb of all things. Its probably a personal obligation thing and already said next week she'll be back at her usual slot.
>>32829305there was some anons saying that the boys will be more affected than the girls numberwise since most of their audience are unityfags or beggars that fuck off once they collab happens
>>32829296I think this is precisely why Fauna didn't want to stream it today but did it anyway because she would get pestered to if she didn't since it's currently the in thing.
>>32829251Feel like a bit too late and dumb to ask, but when did Ina move to 5pm EST for streaming? I still remember the time when she streams around 4pm
>>32823636>>32829367
>>32829380>subsso you want axel to be the next ollie?
>>32829151Grim
>>32827362this is not the most toxic thread, kek.
>>32829434around a year ago
>>32829200Nta but she's the 2nd in EN to play it post launch and the first if you consider west coast time zone, I think 25k is a low-ball but I'm not personally not willing to bet over 32ish, especially with how last minute the frame was up
>>32829278No one really cared about them before either, so it's not like they fell from some long held and exalted position. They had a really really intense spike and fell back to earth over 6 months. I guess it's the best they could have hoped for. If they spend the rest of their careers as 3-8k streamers they'll have been extremely successful.
>>32823636>>32829460
>>32829434It's been a year, she kept shifting every fucking time DST happened starting from 3pm EST but actually fucking stuck with 5pm EST for about a year no
>le sub-20k shark>cripple gold
>>32829221>, that the effort required to obtain the numbers is much greater for HoloEN than it is for HoloJPThat is true but 2x? 3x? That's silly as fuck as the baseline for an EN stream is 5k with the only ones managing to get anything below that on HoloEN are the ones doing incredibly audience hostile streams.
>>32829324Barring a random Kronii reappearance.
>>32823636>>32829517
>>32827362stop crying and tell Riku to buy more bot views if you wanna compete with the big dogs
>>32829554NIGGER WHO'S GOING TO BEAT ANYTHIG OVER 15K NIJIEN IS FUCKING NEUTERED. LIKE ACTUALLY FUCKING NEUTERED. MYSTA DOESN'T BRING IN THE NUMBERS HE USED TO UNLESS IT'S FUCKING GNESHIN OR AN EVENT. VOX IS GONE AND HE WAS PRETTY MUCH THE FUCKING SAME.
>>32829504yeah the fall of Nijijp is actually more astounding
>>32829463If that means one of the most subscribed male vtuber with ton of connections? Oh yes, believe it or not being male ollie will be so beneficial to Holostars
I think people are forgetting something here.I actually went on a dive into haachama's Twitter dating back to Feb-April 2021 during I'd say the prime of her schizo arc, seeing the people who made art of her, and commented on her tweets.An overwhelming majority were English artists and English comments under her tweets.Looking through their own twitters, most were either abandoned, or haven't posted about any Vtubers for at least 3-4 months with some never even watching jps and haven't went from haachama to the ENs mainly gura, and that goes for both the artists and just regular viewers.As for the jp fans, haachama didn't really bring that many in from her schizo arc, some came, some left and some stayed but the increase was much much less than your regular fotm games that bring on jps tourists.
>>32829140He lost to Ina (semi-collab with Mori). Barely beat even freaking IRyS (solo). He beat Bae, sure, but she was streaming way out of her comfort timeslot. He himself was collabing with Ironmouse and a few other ecelebs. That was a bit disappointing. I thought it wouldn't be easy for Shu to beat Ina, but I expected him to do better than only one clear above 10k peak (10.8k, I assume he was the impostor or something) - without that, he'd have only barely beat 10k mark (by ~100-200)
Nijibros, we'll give you irys for Salome. Fair trade?
>>32829251>>32829391NTA but I still remember when Fauna did something really cool. Moom was releasing her Dilemma cover at like 3pm PST before going on a break and she had barely advertised it. Fauna moved up her frame to 1pm, shilled Moom's cover, streamed for 2hrs, skipped her SC reading and directly raided Moom's premier to give her the boost.
>>32829641Fuck off you aren't having irys
>>32829409Their audience is a small core of dedicated fans and a larger group of people who will watch them when no one else is on. I don't think "unityfags" and "homo beggars" are significant audience demographic segments.
>>32829607>NIJIEN IS FUCKING NEUTEREDwtf are you talking about?
>>32823636>>32829656
>>32829607No matter. Ike's karaoke counterattack will secure cripple gold
I went through the original 2017 Christmas Miracle /vyt/ thread on /jp/ to make a better compilation and...> half the posts are numberfagging> lot of /#/ style jokes> liveposting of stuff happening in big streams> saviorfag posting> anons providing context to numbersIs this thread just stealth /vyt/ 2.0?
>>32829641Shut up, we dont want Salome they can have her
>>32829625There was some anon in here a couple days who posted the EN chat rate for JPs and yeah it was pretty much exactly as you say. Her EN viewership has cratered ever since that time. Funnily enough though apparently she still has the most amount of EN chatters though.
>>32829636>He lost to Ina (semi-collab with Mori).That's not a buff. And I'm not saying it in the meme "oh lol Mori debuff". Mori had her own fucking POV. There are no Mori only watchers watching Ina there.
>>32823636>>32829710
>>32823636>>32829767
You want to know the real reason Nijisanji won't be winning much cripple gold?Because their numberfagging management demands they stream their POVs as often as possible.
>>32828924JP box is bigger than the EN box since Anime and anime adjacent things are more mainstream in JP than in ENSame reason why EN has a bigger box than ID since Anime and anime related stuff is more mainstream in EN in relation to ID
Looking back at the charts, Shu is the only one getting 10Ks for nijien lately. The last one from someone else was Vox's karaoke 5 days ago. Unironically grim.
>>32823636>>32829820
>>32829836Enna's floor will be more than 10k in a few months.
>>32828924Nobody debates that, the JP box is far bigger.
>>32829888Please shut the fuck up
>>32829687seeing as how a lot of their fans are reddit or use reddit a quick look at the people who like them there will tell you that they do have a sizable unityfag and homobeggar audiencei think some anon also mentioned that they have a nijien audience as well
>Only 1k waiting for FaunaEh
>>32829730>That night she got mindbroken my the sudden amount of viewers and that's why she's scared of numbers nowadays and tries to debuff herself as much as possible
lads, just came back from clinic shit. what did i miss? i see migo won gold but what else happened? tldr format if possible
>>32829828make a toriyama chuuba and release it in ES and the box would surpass JP
>>32823636>>32829920
>>32829641>Trading hyperloyal vsinger "Hololive or Nothing" IRyS>for mid entertainer "Salome"Why?
>>32829650Saplings will try to tell you Fauna isn't a numberfag
>>32829888Fuck offThis faggot is just a holobronie falsefagging to make nijien fans look bad
>>32829612Kind of a slow grinding decline, feels like the biggest hit was losing most of their female-watching audience to Hololive between 2020 and 2021. Stuff like VSPO and Neo Porte has been chipping away at their esports fanbase as well.
>>32823636>>32829999
WIthout shitposting but I truly feel Niji fans if they want to stay in the game need to start asking questions to management. There are so many failures and bad decisions from their part, its hurting your streamers future.
>>32829296>still was it really necessary to have 3 holocure streams one after the other?Yeah to try and be one of the first to stream it for numbers.
>>32829993i dont think it will since most people who post stuff like vtumor are spicfags
>>32823636>>32830056
>>32830018>Numberfag>Streamed SAP yesterday>Wants to stream Cult of the Lamb>Will be spamming Pokemon when they get permsOgey schizo
>>32823636>>32830117
>>32830068management would just ignore them since accelerate and see what sticks has always been the niji tactic even before nijienwhich is why i thought that vta was fucking grim for niji as a whole since it can double the accelerate
gura is probably aware that fauna sees mumei as her rival, so no doubt she's trying to sabotage the later because otherwise fauna would get crushed like a bug by mumei
>>32829987Nah, that time she had a clear indication of what was happening> Siro stream died> She got some of her numbersHer Minecraft VOD thingey was literally due to it being out of nowhere.> where did so many people come from?> why that VOD in particular?> did she say something bad there?> OH GOD! I PROBABLY SAID SOMETHING BAD. I MESSED UUUUUUUP> I should stop playing Minecraft until I can figure this out.^ is probably how her thought process went.It's a good sign, since it means that algorithm related shit, and channel numbers etc. are mostly left to the managers, so she probably didn't know that Youtube algorithm is random like that.
>>32830014Salome is cute and brings numbers despite being in a weaker company and irys is a failure
Migo winning gold means this is a glorious day. Migo is love. Migo is life.
>>32830191>>32829650Okay
>>32830158Everyone streaming Holocure on release date is a huge numberfag trying to get release hype buff. It's true on both the JP and EN and ID sides.
>>32827003Good take. I agree with you for the most part.Gen 4:Watame and Towa have potential to grow more as singers. As streamers, Watame has her niche that won't let her grow and become a stable 10k+ ccv streamer. Towa has also kinda settled and we can't really expect her ccv to grow significantly.Out of gen 4, I think that Kanata has the most potential as a streamer and she could imho grow to be a 20k hitter, but she's been held back by health issues and now also by having to move out of the blue because of sudden development around Friend C.Gen 5:Polka can make great kino and she's by far the most talented at entertaining people out of Gen 5 members. But there's something holding her back from growing more and I can't really tell what exactly it is. It's almost as if she was comfortable where she is and was reluctant to get bigger.Nene is the best overall package. She can be hilarious and she stands out among gen 5 members when it comes to idol skills and activities. However, she's not a show maker like Pekora or Miko. She's also quite frail mentally.Gen 6:Koyori and Lui put in a lot of work and it's been paying off. Koyori particularly shines along other kino makers, but she can be very entertaining herself. She's also a good and diligent content maker, as demonstrated by AsaKoyo, and she can organize things, which is a valuable skill in Hololive. She has the biggest potential in Gen 6 to become a stable 20k+ streamer.Lui had a rough start, partly because her model doesn't really captivate you as much at first as Chloe, Koyori or Iroha for example, and also because of her throat/voice issues that made everyone label her as the one with debuff voice. However, despite her pon side, she's got her shit together, she's good at interacting with people which means more collabs opportunities, and she's good at organizing collabs and coming up with good collab ideas.Iroha has a lot of skills, but she seems to be too shy to do herself justice and sell herself more.Chloe and Lap had great start but things went downhill. Lap never seemed to be particularly excited about streaming and it has escalated and now she barely streams at all. Chloe has a great potential as a singer, but her streams are one-faceted and she seems to be under the impression that the character of a cute klutz with a slightly cocky attitude that gained her so many fans in the beginning is enough to keep people interested. She also streams less now and rarely streams things that have good potential content-wise or in other words, the buff stuff.Fuck, I wrote an essay...
>>32829828I mean anime and manga are becoming way bigger than just jp. The newest dragon ball movie made more money in the us than japan.
>>32829613>believe it or not being male ollie will be so beneficial to Holostarsactually no but being a en roberu will be more useful
>>32823636>>32830225
>>32830068Who would even question management?The bigger audience is getting bigger preference. The smaller audience will have to just shut up and take it, it's just how we run business in this "family" of ours.
>>32829710this one was already in the thread.
>>32829151another ILuna 3view jesus christalso it's around this time they would release their counterpart wave
>>32830320>>32823636look closer, that one has a little hair
>>32830186Accelerate is a very risky strategy I agree. Yes you have high chances to get 1 success but inturn you have major failures and when you encounter 1 success you then have to squeeze everything out of that one to compensate for the failures.They had Salome as success but they not only failed to capitalize on it they actually turned her into a failure and then came iLuna, even worse than their other failures.
>>32830273I mean, if there is one anime franchise that unironically more popular in US than in Japan to this day then it's gonna be Dragon Ball.
>>32830210>trading the best Holo for flopping SalomeYeah no. I know you are tsundere for IRyS Ennafag, but you aren't having her. I won't be too hard on you though because IRyS has that effect on people. She is such a beautiful princess that you can't help but be drawn to her.
>>32830358>>32823636
>>32830210I don't think HoloEN really need someone who only streams 1 hour a day most of the time, anon. Their total streaming hours is already as low as it is
>>32830411>>32823636
>>32830273yeah but thats dragon ball that shit is more popular outside japan than in it at this point and even then compare it to normie shit like marvel movies and you can see that theres still a big difference
>>32829955They don't, they have very little overlap with Niji EN, and the main ones are like Pomu and Selen (which Holo EN fans watch) not the Luxiem watchers. Vast majority of their audience is just plain old Holo EN watchers that watch them on the side.
>>32830367>They had Salome as success but they not only failed to capitalize on it they actually turned her into a failureKNEEL TO THE PROPHET!>SULTAN IBRAHIM (PBUH) I KNEEL!
Only 1.5k waiting for EN3 debuts. Grim.
>>32830440>>32830210People forgetting another reason why she won't be in EN (despite obviously being language. I don't even know why Salome in the same discussion as IRyS kek)>Her contents are scriptedAnd that, llike, something abhored by the EN girls, to not be le genuine
scissoring?
>>32823636>>32830506
>>32830367I mean all they need in EN is their own Salome/Gura/Kobo and management will be fine with it
>>32830525>ScissoringIf Fauna doesn't beat her handedly then Fauna's actually a joke and worse than Bae
>>32830256>>32825885you literally got Gen 6 backwards, Laplus and Chloe blow Lui and Koyori out of the water quality-wise.
>>32830367it's not risky at allit doesn't cost shit for Riku to pump out vtubers every month and just profit from the ones that do wellpretty good biz strategy albeit soulless and black
>>32823636>>32830557
>>32830256Chloe just wants to go the gachikoi route. Your overall point is right but i don't think it's a matter of fumbling and not knowing what to do but rather her wanting to have a smaller more dedicated audience
>>32830525Reminder the only reason why they are streaming is that Fauna is mad at Ina because of what she did
>>32830559Yeah I'm a Tako and I'm gonna watch Fauna. If she didn't win this matchup it would be fucking crazy.
>>32830625kys tako
>>32830621...what did Ina do?
>>32823636>>32830610
>>32830367its not risky though since it doesnt cause much to pump out and give the bare minimum support to a vtuber every month
>>32830597I mean they absolutely destroyed 2 entire markets that way. To say it's not risky is a bit cavalier. It's not a venture with enormous capital outlay is a better way to phrase it. It does have huge risks to opportunity cost and potential growth.
Genuinely curious how Gura will do today. I don’t think she played holocure at all offstream and only did one single stream of it. I don’t even think she has any upgrades nor dupes.I feel like 27k or something around there might be the absolute upper limit today just based on that fact. I don’t think she actually has enough to get a long stage going unless she secretly farmed offline
>>32830658She tried to steal watame from fauna
>>32827003>>32830256what about Botan as a gamer?
>>32830664>>32823636
What the fuck is happening in this thread lmao
>>32830718I accept this rrat.
>>32830367I'm really disappointed with how Anycolor treated Salome. They finally got a jackpot after all these years, in a duration when Pekora was away no less so she literally has all the eyes on her.Then what? Instead of trying to use that sweet period of time when she's under the spotlight to also share it with other above average livers on their end like King, Sanbaka, Mito etc. they just literally didn't do anything with it.Now that the fad factor ended they decided to use her as a shill machine, like the fuck?
>>32830625t. Sapling>>32830652t. ako
>>32830718...that bitch
>>32830723Botan is dying so its gonna be hard for her
>>32830068They would have to start buying shares in AnyColor to have any semblance of influence over the decision making over there since most of the big decisions are very likely at the behest of the board of directors.
>>32829012Tako...
>>32830712I can see her reach 30k but I doubt she gets past 36~40kbut she might surprise me with FOMO viewers
>>32830718>triedmore like succeeded this is why you don't go after JP that already have close ties to some EN member
Bold of Fauna to challenge Tako time with a buff game. She's asserting dominance.
>>32830718>>32830849>Talk about Fauna all the time>Invite Ina to Summer Festival date>Take IRyS to Hokkaido tripWhat's her endgame bros?
>>32830921immagine mother nature with coins farmed off-screen and she gacha all the new gens and alt-costumes, that would be a blowout
>>32823636>>32830789
>>32830935Sex
>>32830625Fauna was kind of bad at Holocure when she played before. Not sure if that will affect numbers.
>>32823636>>32830973
>>32830621but fauna scheduled last night and tako did it like less than an hour ago
>>32830458Miko probably has the lewdest outfit in all of Hololive. Some of Marine's costumes come close but Miko slutty shrine maiden outfit covers basically nothing.
>>32830718retardWatame invited Ina not the other way around
>>32830970>farming for coins off screen>not just using cheat enginethis is why hololive will slowly recline
>>32830935increasing the birthrate in japan
>>32830597Its not a good strategy. Its a strategy people use for short term return and pump and dump.Vtubing companies are different because their product is not a material but a human talent with its own fanbase and culture. How long can you survive on your couple of big hitters 'who we now see are declining or losing interest) before the whole sphere combusts into itself.There is a reason many pointed out that net revenue might be huge but who is taking that money and why not reinvest
>>32830839nta it's on saturday right ? i predict 35k below if she can't get that high numbers on a weekend she deserves her reclining title.i will kneel if she gets 40k
>>32831030>>32823636
>fauna antis spamming the catalog againWhat set them off today?
>>32831032ina has a schedule out you mouthbreather
>>32830935watame is for everyone
>>32831017depends on how bad she plays at any rate I doubt she's getting less than 12k
>>32830460>>32830376>>32830376There also Naruto, my hero, Attack on titan, who are popular in the west. Hololive en box can extend an lot more then what they have/ I say if they play their card they can pass the jp box. Hololive en problem is just their on the level of FGO popular in the west while it not bad, their not an massive casual anime audience people who watch them. People say hololive is like live anime but none of those moments really apply to holo en everytime someone says it they refer to Jp 9/10 times. If Hololive en was an anime they would be boruto pretty much tons of flitter but old viewers come back for big events.
>>32831017It will cause Holocure follows Apex like graphs. Also depends on whether on Kaela stops streaming and releases some of those Holocure tourists
>>32831057And this is where focusing on the company more than the liver has its advantage since tourist will want to see the event more than the liver.
>>32831127>There also Naruto, my hero, Attack on titan, who are popular in the west.anon those havent been popular since before covid
>>32831144So Nijisanji is not a vtubing company anymore?Its a once a year event organizer???
>>32831093Just spam uuuu threads its that simple
Not sure if we ever discussed this, but we got confirmation from Yagoo himself that at least until Gamers, the chuubas had input when designing their characters.Did we ever get any confirmation about if that changed?
everyone playing holoCure alreadybuff might only last a couple days with this many streams
>Anons talking about the list of talents watame has targetted>Watame suddenly says that she wants to go on a trip with Iofi and Kiara if she gets a chance>Starts talking about honeymoonwait is watame /here/?
>>32831097you right, I wasn't aware...get fucked then
>>32831224/vt/ keeps telling me Kiara had input on her design.
>>32831287Watame is everywhere.Watame is legion.Expect Watame
>>32831207theyre an entertainment factory doing the cable tv route by spamming a lot of shows and seeing what sticks
>>32831224From what I remember gen 3 auditioned to two characters that already ready and, of course, there were the shelved designs pre HoloX
>>32830718Irys is next then?
>>32831268that's fine by me, I don't really like vampire survivors gameplay
>>32831389nah Irys is a side ho so they dont feel threatened by them
>>32831224Didn't gura say something about requesting to have her shark teeth
>>32830718but watame just had a sexcation with irys, why would ina and fauna even think they have valid claims right now
>>32825711>The problem is that EN doesn't have people like those and that's why people also keep begging for EN3 hoping they get someone like that.The problem with that is that people like marine, pekora don't appear from thin air. You can't just 'find them'. Marine, pekora, aqua etc. were all popular NND creators years before joining hololive. They are veterans. All holoEN except maybe gura (who wasnt a regular streamer even then) were newbies or literal whos.
>>32831224gura and kiara talked about having some small input with their designs
>>32831286Mommy will show ina who's boss of this gym
Am I fated to marry AZKi? I got 12 dupes of her and I keep getting good score in hardcore mode with only her and Sana.
>>32831378Ah, those two were I think was the most significant event that solidified the theory that Cover was auditioning for pre-existing characters.Kakage... at least he got Lui out of it...
>>32831435And a ahoge
>I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYES>ITS THE ONLY THING>THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE ACHE>IF THE PAIN GOES ON
>>32831374"In a world of streaming they are cable TV"By the way you should tell this to Nijifans then coz they sure as hell think that Hololive and Nijisanji has same type of products and fighting for same type of viewerbase
>>32831466>The problem with that is that people like marine, pekora don't appear from thin airMiko
>>32831435bottom teeth, but it was after she saw the model
>>32831532
>>32831532Trust in mommy's plan
>>32831542Lui is a hundred times better than the scrapped character, both scrapped designs were way too busy.
>>32831378>twoThree
>>32831034Miko's outfit is the kind of thing a whore would wear. From a high class onsen brothel.
> Gura read Warrior Cats as a child> Magni read Warrior Cats as a childYou can't stop it chumbuds.
>>32831359She did, very minor. Like the color of her socks or something like that.
>>32831433Watame was the one that invited IRyS. Watame prefers nephilim pussy over used goods pussy.
>>32831638Exactly. My whore.
I'm starting to have sexual thoughts about Miko...
I want these fucking falseflaggers to leave.
>>32831555but they do have the same type of product and viewerbase though though the only difference is how they approach it
>>32831359Kiara herself said she did, retard. It just wasn't anything major.
>>32831696Nice, time to stop being a faggot, anon.
>>32831144NTA, and you're probably shitposting, but I kind of see it. I'm a Lakerfag so I've been privileged as fuck when it comes to winning. But during the brief periods when we do experience being irrelevent it sucks as hell. Even during the transition when Kobe was pretty much a husk of himself and we had bozos like Nick Young and Jeremy fucking Lin playing for us, you keep cheering for the name at the front of the jersey and not the back. I honestly can't imagine why knocksfaggosts haven't sudokud yet. But the thing is that loyalty was built around a history of winning and former legends. Nijisanji right now is just like that. They're currently propped up by Mito, Kuzuha and chinman's legacy. So even if they ultimately get rid of every star they have now and get shackled by a bunch of Iluna tier shitters for a couple of years, the legacy of their old guard should be able to help them coast for a few more years.
>>32831644wrong thread?
>>32830614Yeah, I guess you have a point. It's an efficient strategy when you look at it from the profit point of view.>>32830583I don't think I did. Lap has the potential, but she has zero motivation. She also isn't able to stream anything for more than an hour except for Valorant, which severely reduces her stream content possibilities. Chloe definitely doesn't outshine Koyori and Lui quality-wise. The only thing she outshines them at is her singing skills and her ability to go off-tangent for half an hour during superchat readings. I'm saying this as a member of Chloe's membership since day 1.>>32830723Botan attracts a lot of people by her gaming skills when she plays more serious games and funny gameplay when she plays something like the Trials. But she's not really the narrative maker that can create captivating stories and enthralling content out of thin air like Pekora for example.
>>32831746Your also forgetting one thing which is the equivalent of lakers getting lebron and being relevant again which is the same as nijisanji getting salome
>>32831554wave 7 october wave 8 decemberaccelerate
>>32831700You can start by leaving first, fauggot.
>>32828241Jesus that's some huge rose colored glasses on early myth
>>32831849>Let's release as many members as the entire HoloEN branch before the end of the year!!!Fucking lord forbid that happens, inflation but with anime girls
>>32831711Thats why they are failing. They think they have to compete for the same viewerbase when they are not even giving the same product or experience or quality.How long do you want this debate to go anon
>>32831750
>>32829641>>for mid entertainer "Salome">trying to sell Salome before her floor reaches 0kek
>>32831961see>>32831746>>32831846
>>32831746hey, the knicks built it without even a history of winning, so nijisanji will probably be fine
>>32831359From my understanding of this, the models themselves were all said and done. I’m pretty sure she adamantly stated that there was no changing the actual model design. That was set in stone. The input she/they ACTUALLY had was like the color scheme of the outfit and how the outfit itself was drawn up. She has an entire vid about this somewhere if you go look back. Huke gave her the pre-debut model designs. She used to have different hair as well