/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32619603
>UPDATE 0.4 DROPS 9/9!
who asked ?
me and Ina are going to be playing Splatoon 3 that day

Early Item Spoilers

>>32619603
>UPDATE 0.4 DROPS 9/9!
Is this japan time?

>>32620109
Nobody specified, most likely releases when its 9/9 in NA time

Hololive has the best games

>>32619603
GAMERS Stats, Attacks, Special Abilities

>>32619603
GEN 0 Stats, Attacks, and Special Abilities

>>32619603
Where the fuck are the patch notes kay-yu?

>>32621377
some of these seem really phoned in what the fuck kay yu

>>32621524
- fixed the glitch that made ninomae ina'nis suck all the cum from your balls
- made calliope mori 3.2 units slower to accurately represent her weight gain

>>32619603
Finally! A thread to talk about the game and not about drama.

I really liked the amount of things that I watch live (Okayu & Ko'one) and found some clippers with interesting mechanics like the rare drops. Waiting for the public release.

>>32621684
what did you think of Okayu's Special? seemed pretty damn strong being able to zoom through enemies and eat them

>>32619879
BL book has become too useful to ignore. I'd like to see pikipiman receive a buff instead

>>32621377
Okayu special is vore fetish. Ew

>>32622289
piki piki piman was reworked, now it reduces the cooldown of the special moves everytime you get hit.
>>32621924
I think is pretty good, is like baking Sana and Fauna special into one and could become very clutch in endless.

>>32622508
Was Choco's horn considered to be nerfed?
dosent seem like the go-to item anymore, but Matsuri's band-aids might be a replacement

>>32622670
It looks like the chance to trigger doesn't go up with level, only the heal amount. I still think it's quite good for stage but maybe heal over time would be more useful in endless.

think it could get on steam? (remaining free of course)

So what were the new weapons that were added?

>>32619879
There's also X-Potato (VS Runetracer) that turns into Rap Dog with Idol Song and super passive items, Kiara's stream showed super idol costume (45% special cooldown and gives you 2 uses) and super SC time (100% coins and heal on coin pickup). We don't know Stage 2's 10 minute or 20 minute bosses yet, or any unlocks related to stage 2 in general.

>>32624697
>>32624651

I would have liked to see some items rebalanced in terms of cost (in levels) but uber sheep is twice as good as it was so at least it's not as pathetic as it was before. Gorilla is -20% crit instead of -50% crit which makes it a really easy pick on any character without crit mechanics, and at least potentially viable on characters with crit mechanics, instead of entirely unusable on any character with crit procs. Sake didn't need a buff.

Gold farming will be different. Piggy bank is a solid +1800-2400 gold in stage mode depending on how early you get super chatto, plus Halu for coins for kills. I don't think Kiara ever picked halu but even if halu is 5 levels it's probably worth it. It might get to the point where glasses are no longer optimal over going for more kills.

The bug where skipping the box animation earns you fewer coins will also be fixed. But the growth upgrade (2% primary weapon and special damage per in-game level) seems like it'll be really overpowered for some characters.

>>32621377
Suichan is the most OP out of them

>>32619879
Łamy

>>32621377
miko looks so weak...

>>32626544
there might be skills/items that could help her out
i wanted to try to post all the in-game skills but Wawa's vod was a pain work with so i gave up lol

>>32626544
Kiara played her a little bit and her Weapon Looked Broken

>>32626615
Someone was screencapping the new skills as the came up in Kiara's stream and somehow managed to catch stuff that was onscreen for barely a second.

How good is my mother, Mio?

>>32626718
She looks pretty interesting. Lot of things that let her use Hatotaurus even more

>>32625117
RBC sounds busted scaling-wise with that growth shit

>>32626718
Special spammer, her main weapon is honestly kinda bad, fast and high range but narrow aoe and the random debuff on awaken is kind of a crapshoot so you'll want a better one asap

>>32626718
With the new piki piki piman and the idol costume you probably could make cheesy builds.

>>32626716
there's a DVR script you know

You think there'll be any secret characters and/or unlocks aside from the 'Super' items implemented in the future? I'd love to see Coco or some guest characters like Pikamee make an appearance through some kind of secret Konami codes

>>32628654
>like Pikamee
What the fuck?

>>32628654
Didn't Kay Yu say somewhere he already had the green light from Cover to include Coco/Rushia in the game?

>>32628900
I think the issue is if any of the girls feel bad about playing it because of some addition.

>>32628900
Rushia makes an appearance on one of the televisions in the new stage so I wouldn't be surprised if she got snuck in

>>32628900
Do you mean that if he added them, Cover wouldn't allow anyone to play it?
He could just add them without needing permissions since it's his own game

>>32629122
He mentioned before that he wants holomems to be able to play it on stream so he talks to Cover about things

>>32621924
She doesn't save the fans. Fat cat simply eating them lol. Vorefag will be pleased

I'd like to see a crying sapling boss. Capitalize on meme potential is always great

>>32621533
Azki's is definitely meh, everyone else having seen them is actually rather good both visual and impact wise.

>>32630410
Okayu big jiggly belly mod coming soon

>>32624697
Keep in mind also that Kiara sucks at playing the game so theirs definitely more we haven't seen item wise.

>>32630645
>Azki
What does she have in memes and lore left aside from her being a diva?

>>32630858
Yeah that's kinda the main issue with Azki. Only thing that comes to mind is her getting stuck in the TV in Hologra.

>>32624137
No. Steam's support is stupid. Updates, patchnotes and community management is a pain in the ass.

>>32621377
migger seems weak in every aspect

>>32630858
Azki memes are so 2019 i doubt you are a holofag at that time so yeah diva it is since its more well known for her

>>32619603
oh fantastic, someone did the dirty work instead.
here's the twitter thread of all the skills for the new characters
https://twitter.com/HololiveMemes/status/1567189290911731713

I couldnt watch Kiara's stream, she is just so bad at the game. Struggling even on Stage 1. Bruteforcing through the choreographed waves.

Fubuki: Dodge/Speed focused character whose attack scales with bonus speed. Awakening makes her tail swipe hit in a 270º radius, and can proc swords from her special.
Mio: Close-range sustain type who can spam her special. Costume and Piiman are core on her. Awakening grants her cards a chance to debuff, making her safer up close.
Okayu: Basically crit Fauna. Critting a target makes them vulnerable to instant kills by walking into them. Awakened weapon throws 6 projectiles that slow enemies.
Korone: Tanky with haste. Haste buff is very easy to upkeep but her special can refill them if you fuck up, tankiness comes from max HP and damage reduction. Awakening makes her weapon never stop firing.
Suisei: CRITS. Additional procs on crits and axe weapons (her basic, regular axe and the axe collabs) grant sustain. Awakened weapon has 100% crit rate and 3x crit damage.
Miko: Defensive with debuffs and heals. Awakened weapon and special have additional damage support for other weapons. Synergy with Elite items (Bucket and Cooking for sure, MiComet unconfirmed, there may be new Elite weapons we haven't seen yet).
Roboco: Attack/Crit focused and scales with levels, enemies drop additional XP. Incredible special that grants huge bonuses to attack, haste and crit. Awakened weapon fires a massive energy blast forward. Seems one of the strongest characters in the batch.
Azki: All-rounder. Has a better version of Sana's pulse which seems to be her core ability, a defensive version of Kiara's Dancer with a sprinkle of Kronii's haste for not getting hit. Awakened weapon procs small notes parallel to the main one.
Sora: Boss killer. Marks targets making her pet take their aggro and doing extra damage to them. Awakened weapon shotguns a lingering projectile that explodes when it fades.

>>32626544
Miko looks solid getting big AOEs and debuffs more likely to trigger off those big AOEs

Alt costumes are also in the game now for Myth+Irys+Fubuki at 15 whale tears each

>>32628654
I would like to see an unannounced feature whereby once all chuubas have been unlocked the image of A-chan becomes clickable. Upon clicking A-chan she gets sucked into the game, there could be some kind of little cutscene with some dialogue from A-chan to the effect that she too wishes she could help save fans. Upon entering the game she gets office lady abilities like beating fans with a clipboard and a special whereby she flicks multi-coloured post-its with the word die written on them and everyone dies a few seconds after being affixed with a post-it note.

>>32632433
Council gets their Kimonos also

S Tier: Roboco, Suisei
A+ Tier: Fubuki. Korone
A Tier: Miko. Sora. Mio
B+ Tier: Okayu, Azki
This is for Stage Mode, obviously. Okayu. for example, would obviously be much better in current patch endless, but we have no info on any potential changes to that mode. Mio may also be much better when played properly instead of whatever Kiara was doing.

>>32621533
Over 50 members, some with not a lot of memes, tics, or known moments to work off of.

how many do you think you can realistic do and make unique.

>>32632848
Yeah, Kiwawa was not the best tester to gauge the potential of the characters. I just watched the gameplay of Korone and she was skipping the passive that buffs the haste stat.

>>32630858
Dip into the lore I guess. Whip up some BS hackerman cyberpunk-diva abilities.
>A diva who became reborn into the virtual world in order to fabricate a new world. No matter the time, place, or position, she warps through all the barricades with her dazzling talent.

>>32630858
I mean, the biggest memes she has are 700yen water and becoming the floor, both of which she explained on EOP friendly Holotalk. You could also go for something with her constant talk of switching from World Line Alpha where she would have graduated last fall to World Line Beta where she stuck around, or the frog who used to be her manager, or all of her hilariously edgy concert names. Hell, you could even pull from her discography and MVs, with her becoming a cat since she has a whole song about it with a fancy animated MV, her lightsaber from the Error MV, her becoming Aqua for the Fake.Fake.Fake MV, her song titled Strongest x Weakest Girl where she has a big fucking hammer, something based off her old unit with Mizushina Aoi and Suzuna Subaru named Shotgun Rose with their first Live being called the First Bullet, or her concert series called Last V Standing.

I'm obviously a bit more knowledgeable then the average fan since she's my oshi, but there's plenty of things to work with that wouldn't have taken more then watching a couple of her MVs for inspiration.

>>32621377
Can I just say my OCD is really happy they put the Gamers next to Project Hope instead of leaving a giant blank space there.

>>32636610
But then are we getting a second Fubuki down the line? Maybe her dark haired sister would be the Gen 1 character? Wonder how he deals with this issue.

>>32633182
Kiara also has no idea what she's doing with upgrades and doesn't really buy them, though to be fair it's not really obvious to a complete beginner that upgrades are way more important than character unlocks. That being said Kiara is probably the skill level being targeted by the first stage: you can get through it with brute force and not much skill so long as you pick up the very basic idea of killing enemies instead of running away the whole time.

>>32636886
Kurokami's already a costume. FBK could have a toggle or just show up twice.

>>32619603
How do you transfer your save data?

>>32619603
Dear Holocure dev, you've chosen the wrong person to test the early updates

>>32637182
she needed the numbers

Guess I should get back into the Moom mines. Please tell me they're not adding more upgrades to grind for.

>>32638394
They are, but the changes to gold farming will make it so much easier that it's not worth wasting a ton of time right now. I have 110k in the bank after getting max rank for everyone but by that time I was playing for fun.

>>32631893
Okayu basic attack is pretty weak and her speed isn't fast. Maybe her mogu should have shorter cooldown?
Preparing the "meal" by kiting enemies then consume them with mogu. Is that how she work?

>>32638512
I only bothered to get all the characters and shop upgrades done. Couldn't be bothered to do more than 15ish total gaccha dupes.

>>32638394
There's a new item that make enemies stronger but drop more coin

>>32638394
Holo office stage give 20% more coin but new enemies are faster and harder to kite

>>32637168
Kaiyu said you don’t lose your progress when updating to a new version. Unless you are referring to move from a computer to another in which case I think is not that easy.

>>32636886
Put Chris instead

>>32638642
New gold farm build will be glasses, super chat, halu, piggy bank, though that's assuming Kiara didn't miss anything huge for farming. For the last two slots milk will probably be ranked higher than before since it also helps fix the nerfed pickup range. Assuming you can get ahead of them with enough upgrades then the new map is also +20%. I assume Mumei will still be the lazy gold farming pick even with her bugs being fixed; her weapon still gives the best coverage and friend still picks up the most experience.

>>32637182
Less spoilers for the little man

>>32637182
He probably has actual testers to handle that and Kiara was just given early access for other reasons.

>>32638973
Halu makes shit harder to kill so you'd probably need something to compensate, most likely buffed mask.

>>32639106
>for other reasons.
She asked. It's not a big shady secret.

>has actual testers
From what I can gather he does most of his own testing then just hands it to friends to sanity test, which is typical for one-man projects. It's how the bug about skipping animations slipped past him because he was the only one who was really paying attention enough to notice, but he didn't.

>>32639242
I didn't say it was a big shady secret. I was just saying it was for unrelated reasons.

>>32639125
I'm not certain whether it actually makes them harder to kill, that'll need testing, but even if they get more health 5% really isn't much. You're realistically adding over 2k coins from Halu; call it ~5k kills per stage after getting it -> 1k coins, +100% from upgrades and super chatto.

The HoloX base would make for a cool stage, a lot of reference material for it. Wonder what the next one added will be.

'ure on the 'eck

Any word on mouse or twin-stick controls?

>>32639971
Who the fuck buys a steam deck?

>>32640159
Me, it's actually pretty comfy to play Holocure on it

>>32640159
Fauna

>>32640213
That was money you could've spent on your oshi.

>>32638844
Cool, thanks, anon

>>32640016
>Any word on mouse or twin-stick controls?
I thought controller support was coming. Not sure though.

I can't tolerate orange girl so I skipped the stream, did anyone notice any buffs in the new version?

>>32640442
Mask, paw, sake and uber were straight up buffed, piiman rework might count as a buff too.

>>32640016
https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1561490152010047488?s=20&t=Z8EY0iMuL6hUVuQZWF9-lg
This paired with the movement in the trailer leads me to believe it's coming with this update.

>>32640259
she'd need to sell more merch than just some mugs first

>>32625665
>>32626544
>>32631029
There's no way of telling how strong any of them are until we see their unique passives. Passives are ultimately what make characters good or bad.

>>32640016
twin-stick and mouse controls would break the game, kind of hoping they don't support mouse and keep controller support to single stick.

>>32640442
To add to >>32640610 Sake looked like it got a buff too.

>>32640675
There's still a strafe button so I doubt twin stick.

>>32640259
>sending money to vtubers

>>32621137
>>32621377
Attacks and Special Abilities are whatever. Passive skill is the only thing makes a character strong or not.

>>32640741
>not sending money to vtubers

>>32640442
She didn't play older characters but we at least know Kiara has been reworked a bit. There were changes to items though, nerfs and buffs. Biggest change for tryhards is that super chat time was dropped to 10% per level but some other new items should make gold farming better anyway.

For other items: Uber sheep is twice as good as before, nurse horns are flat healing instead of a percentage. Horns are still the best item for sustain/casuals but no longer scale infinitely for endless mode, and shit players should still grab body pillow which got buffed to decrease damage taken too. Gorilla paws is now only -20% crit so it's a much better item for characters without crit. Still a bad choice for most characters but it's no longer a run killer if you accidentally pick it with half the cast. Mask got a buff but I forget the exact numbers, Sake got a buff too based on eating.

Kiara didn't have everything unlocked though but I have to assume energy drink has been changed since it was the worst item. The changes mostly seem to be there to make the game easier for low skill players - buffing the crutches like pillow to get players through stage mode - and a few nerfs/reworks where some items were clearly just too strong.

>>32640863
>Mumei's base weapon

>>32639242
He has people play it to balance test.
Bahroo was one of the playtesters who gave feedback on balance and got Irys nerfed a few times before launch

>>32640863
>Mumei's weapon
>Mumei's special allowing you to nuke enmey waves that no other character can

>>32641160
IRyS was one of the worst characters on launch so fuck that guy.

Can someone remind me what the go-to gold farm build was?
I'm pulling about 6k a run but I'm sure I can do better if I wasn't flying by the seat of my pants.

>>32641166
Mumei's special sucks

>>32641227
You use it to nuke shit offscreen. She can wipe out all of the waves that you're supposed to avoid which no other character can do.

>>32641227
Mumei's special is the worst, and looks like it'll still be the worst in 0.4, but it kills everything off-screen without erasing stuff (though it's possible that's a bug that'll be fixed in 0.4) so there are some specific times in each run when you can use it to get more guaranteed kills. It's not that great, but it has some uses.

The real reason Mumei's special is the worst is because it has a slow startup time and then blocks your vision. As a panic button style special killing everything is good, but if you're actually panicking it'll get you killed.

>>32640863
Most weapons aren't great but Mumei, Fauna (homing), and Calli (huge aoe) have good personal weapons.

>>32641342
Fauna's is probably the worst of those three.
Calli's weapon got overbuffed because people didn't like her original sustain playstyle, so now she blows everything up.

>>32641336
>She can wipe out all of the waves that you're supposed to avoid which no other character can do
Fauna can

>>32641207
Honestly I wouldn't bother grinding at this point; farming gold seems like it'll be so much easier and more consistent in 0.4.

>>32641408
>Fauna's is probably the worst of those three.
I don't really agree, but it's hard to pull apart the weapon from the passives. If Fauna had Mumei's insane (and bugged) scaling passives then her weapon would be just as good. Personal weapons also seem like they're going to be more relevant with the Growth unlock, which I'm not sure I like as a mechanic but will definitely give fauna's weapon more of a kick to keep it relevant.

>>32641421
Tell me how Fauna is wiping the first Deadbeat wave, Takodachi wave, or later huge deadbeat encirclement.

I wish Fauna would get a revamp, her kit's synergy is really bad right now and she's kind of just generic nature/ASMR girl, no yandere stuff.
She probably won't though, sadly.

>>32641508
Fauna just survive like nothing happened.

>>32641508
Press X and stand still?

>>32641578
The point is that Mumei can nuke those waves and get all the experience for them, you stupid motherfucker.

>>32641658
>get all the experience

>>32641633
That doesn't really wipe them. Mumei (offscreen special), Calli (instakill chains), and Bae (special) are the best for farming those early waves, then anyone can clear the later waves with good weapons.

>>32641686
Experience is only erased for on-screen enemies, smooth brain.

>>32641703
Still not getting all the experience.

>>32641686
Her special only destroys on-screen items. You walk past the wave, nuke, then get a huge chunk of experience for them.

>>32641740
For the waves that actually works on you can just as easily beat them with most ults pretty easily.
t. uses Ina's pitiful ult to clear waves.

>>32641166
>>32641342
>still needs friend's bug to survive in endless
Not saying her base attack is weak or sth but unique passive is the thing that carries a character.

>>32641803
She's arguably the best character for stage mode, and mediocre if not bad in endless, and that is perfectly fine.

>>32641724
Walk so they're off screen. She can guarantee all the experience for the first shieldbeat wave, for instance, by just walking to the left or right a bit until they're off screen.

In the grand scheme of things it's not huge but it is a decent chunk of early experience.

>>32641803
Honestly don't think endless has that much appeal, especially in the current version where everything is bugged and unbalanced as hell. Ina also relies on a bug to survive forever. You get the right builds and then you just sit there. It's fun to do once or twice but the novelty wears off.

>>32641658
>Mumei can nuke those waves
fauna too, her roots are very strong under the world tree buff

>>32641042
Elite cooking got massively damage nerfed too. It was doing like 7-9 damage a tick when Kiara was playing and I just ran my game and its doing like 5 times that damage per tick. It makes sense it was too good along with cutting board but still

>>32641929
Was Kiara moving around with it though? The bulk of it's damage was from being able to overlap hitboxes by standing still.

>>32641042
Suisei's main AWAKENED weapon are guarantee CRIT attack.
That's mean Gorilla paws are the MUST HAVE for her (but not for other weapon)

Hoshi no Kanata FTW!

>>32641042
What exactly do you define as a "run killer?" What do you need to make it to in order for it to be a successful run?

>>32642183
No you dumbass, her other weapons need to crit too.

>>32641408
The biggest issue I had with Mori was her arc. It felt like absolute dogshit to have a deadzone directly in front of you. Sure, it's completely possible to just keep things out of it, but it felt horrible when something was actually there and unable to be hit.

>>32641658
That experience is only needed if you want to tryhard farming. If you are trying to clear endless, those weaves become meaningless the more bonus you buy from the store.

The auto aim and the attack increment passives are more important for Mumei.

>>32642187
As in a fuckup so bad that you'd rather restart the run. The game isn't hard, you shouldn't be challenged too much even if you do something stupid like picking gorilla first with Bae, but if I accidentally picked it and disabled most of the mechanics of my character. -50% crit was enough that most characters would not make it back to positive crit chances outside of endless, and in endless you'd much rather take +attack than +crit to get yourself out of crit debt. Without crit most characters lose either a major component of their passives or some of their mechanics.

>>32641408
>>32642282
Calli's scythe was particularly bad for new players or those that didn't get the memo that most personal weapons were bad. The game is meant to be easy enough for vtubers to play it and especially early on, with no gacha ranks or shop upgrades to fix her movement. You start out only a bit faster than the enemies so if one of them gets inside the minimum range it takes a lot of running to manage to kill them with only one weapon. The typical beginner will also start by upgrading her scythe instead of picking new weapons which - in the objectively worst design decision - also makes the dead zone larger.

Good/experienced players worked around it by ignoring her scythe completely, which was its own problem.

>>32642006
I had Saplings walking into single patches taking 40 some odd damage and I made sure it was one space so i could see it easier. Kiara had ticks of 7-9 as I was watching over and over. Now there is some room for variation and im playing Cali but god damn that was a big difference in damage and even with all the buffs I had stackedd 5X damage difference indicates it got a notable nerf and doesnt wipe on its own anymore.

>>32641207
Mumei max haste build

Looks like the tank build is still the only viable build after all

>>32630858
2 more weapon slot maybe?

>>32627342
I wonder how much uptime of Red Gura you could squeeze.

>>32628654
Outside Hololive vtubers doesn't sound likely, specially if, like I hope with no evidence, Cover gives Kay Yu the okay to start selling the game.

What is the Mumei Gold build again?

>>32644414
Selling is impossible with the amount of fan content added in. Donation maybe

>>32640159
If it was available in my country I'd buy it in a heartbeat since I have money to spend.

>>32644657
Max Feather immediately. Get Full Meal, Study Glasses, Superchat, and any other support item that caps at level 3. Avoid getting weapons other than Spider Cooking as long as you can so Friend will only spam Feathers.

>>32619603
Cant wait for it to come out

>>32619603
What gens are next?

>>32619879
>Wamy water
>Endless waves
become

>>32648663
I would guess that he is planning indo for the next time so he doesn't appear to play favorites

>>32648838
Best to release the 9 indos next anyway before ID4.
Please, I just wanna play Reine before Kay gets bored of the project

>>32648838 (me)
I now realized that could also apply to the stars

>>32642187
Gorilla on crit reliant builds, especually Bae or injection on Kronii ruining her perfection buff

No Coco, No Rushia = No Play

>>32649414
It's not rocket science. One got fired and the other volunteered.

>>32649338
I don't think there's a single build that can make gorilla paws viable.

>>32637182
She's shit at the game, but lets be real, most of the other EN members aren't that much better skill wise.
I got what I wanted out of the stream. She did managed to unlock all the new characters and got all of them to atleast almost the end of stage 1. So she show cased enough of all the new characters. She also showed off a couple of new items and collabs.
I doubt any of the other EN girls would of shown as much as she did. So chicken did fine, over all. My only complaint is that we didn't get to see much of stage 2.

>>32621377
miko could've have something themed from gta

>>32632848
How in the world do you figure FBK is higher than Ogayu in either mode?

Okay, but leaderboards back when? I want something to actually try for.

>>32641200
I swear if shitbird gets my cat nerfed to the ground I'm going to figure a way to attach a bitchslap to a regular e-mail

Nijicure doko T_T

>>32666566
Nobody worth making a game about in Nijisanji.

>>32628654
>Super' items
like super3D?

>>32667045
Super items come from rare boxes and they give you the full upgraded item from the start.

>>32667045
>>32667317
Full upgraded item plus some extra mechanic. The idol costume give the special two charges and the super chat bakes some healing on top of the extra coins.

super items sound nice because currently there's nothing in the game that encourages me to vary my build. i can pick a build at the start of a stage and go straight to it with no variance ever. so hopefully there will be more stuff like that to encourage me to adapt my build on the fly mid stage.

>>32670731
That's pretty much standard for the genre. In fact, Holocure is pretty good in that sense, since you can at least switch around some of the passive items depending on the character you play (for example: you would never take Gorilla Paw on Bae, but you might on Mumei). In Vampire Survivor your character choice doesn't effect shit other than which 1 passive item you take to evolve the starting weapon.

I like the game but the hitbox is wonky

>>32664601
Speed's a very good stat and her special is fantastic. In contrast, Okayu's weapon isn't very good, the slow makes charmed targets harder to reach, not to mention how uncommon charms are (20% on a crit, target needs to be within her area, needs to survive AND can't be a boss), plus feast is just overkill.

so what's the overlap between hololive fans and yogscast fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEI2ONcM--Y

>>32636441
700 Yen Water was even referenced in HFZ, so it's not like it's that much more obscure than Azki herself is.

>>32674204
I mean I was a Yogscast fan but that was literally a decade or so ago when they were still doing SoI

>>32621533
>>32630645
>>32636441
While an overall pretty obscure reference would be more faithful to the character, it wouldn't really work well for most players.

>>32678460
>Why the fuck does AZKi have a timeline swap mechanic?
>Oh, that's why. Neat.
Big crossover games like this should be encouragement to branch out, not reinforcement of the walls between fandoms of the same company's talents.

>>32619603
cuute

>>32639971
'ick when

>>32649039
Don't worry anon, Kay Yu condemned himself online now that he released this; their only choices now are:

A) Finishing the game + Whatever updates come after with new gens.

B) Having the entire fanbase over his ass for dropping the game. Kay Yu will have to replace his online persona if they ever want to use Twitter and such again.

>>32666566
I'll give it at most 2 years before losing hope. After all, Holocure was also random as hell and I like to think there is a good chance that Kay Yu will release the code public if they ever get frustrated with the game.

>>32619603
Fuck, I want the leaderboard back.

>>32622508
Really?
I kind of liked building pikipikipiman on IRyS, it worked well with her kit.

>>32684022
Yee. And unfortunated change indeed but maybe the new item "Matsuri's Band Aid" could help to trigger the stacks of Half Demon and the fast barrage of the regular attack of Irys could still crit enough to keep the healing of Half Angel.

bump

My biggest hope for the game is that playing a regular stage mode gets more emphasis than surviving Yagoos. Sure its a cool challenge but it feels outside of the games core and as it develops seeing better stages would be nice

>>32693071
The Yagoo thing only exists because the game could go on forever without it.
It is a little overboard now I think though.

>>32621071
waitin on that EN triple. shit's gonna be tight son.

So where would this rank among the garliclikes

>>32619603
Were any existing collabs nerfed/buffed?

>>32671170
Mumei is probably the one character without crit mechanics/bonus crit where you wouldn't want to take gorilla's paw, at least before this next update. Her attack scales so high (even ignoring the bugs in 0.3) that she gets more damage output from sake than paw.

>>32693071
It really already does get more emphasis. Nothing is really balanced around endless and several of the ways to survive past 30 minutes rely on bugs. Wouldn't surprise me if he made the yagoos scale more aggressively so you can't just outscale them with health pickups anymore.

>>32641803


This is somewhat tangential, but i really dislike this tendency amongst people who got into games after the year 2004 to call all interesting interactions in a game 'bugs'.

One of the worst feelings there is in a gameplay experience is feeling like the game and or developer is trying to 'fight you' in your endeavor to master it. By this we don't mean in a direct sense like it presenting you with challenges you need to figure out, but in a more meta sense, where there is nothing *too* figure out; where every interesting possibility seems to be preemptively closed off, or, where you think you have figured something out, and suddenly it is snatched out of your hands after the fact.

Contrapositively, one of the best feelings in the world when it comes to playing a game is that feeling of figuring out some clever tech and doing something cool with it, taking your play to a higher level. Did you know that in the original Street Fighter II, combo attacks were not a planned feature by the developers? It was a quirk of mechanics discovered by arcade players after release. Something so basically foundational to the popular concept of fighting games, and it arose by complete accident, being consciously elaborated on as a feature in later installments. That is felicity right there.

In later days, what one so often sees is that the moment someone figures out some advantageous tech, a dev team comes in to 'patch' it (because all games are 'always online' nowadays, too). As almost like a knee-jerk, autonomous reflex even, without any conscious thought as to what ultimate purpose is being served thereby, which is often unclear. The ethic that is *implied* by the behavior seems to be either, that nothing not preconcepted by the devteam is allowed, or, that nothing that can give a player an advantage in playing the game is allowed, or some combination thereof. I can hardly think of a term to describe this bent, it is like some kind of spiritual sickness, or unconscious socio-politcal tendency. Like a demented gardener who takes a weedwhacker to any plants that grow up above a certain line; nothing outstanding allowed.

Over time, this process leaves one with a property that feels lifeless, empty, and sterile; learned helplessness, with no special effort to figure out tech because any time you do it'll all get changed anyways; a bubble-wrapped meandering through beige mediocrity; where no particular actions are particular impactful, and you are closer to a stage-actor moving along the carefully choreographed lines of a set-piece, than a player making the world of the game yours.

So will every item have a shiny version?
Imagine shiny glasses on game start

>>32700476
I know I'm replying to a copypasta, but it literally is a bug and a simple coding error. Haste was applied improperly to Friend's attack so that 100% haste isn't attacking twice as often as it is for every other character, but attacking with no cooldown.

The rest of the copypasta conflates bugs and exploits and ignores reality.

>>32677509
I was a fan back when they were mainly known for WoW. I have no idea what they do these days.

Fubuki can get basically permenant uptime of a weaker version of her super thanks to her tail's awakening. There's no way she isn't top tier when you combine that with her dodge.

>Everyone missing out on AZKi's special effectively making her immortal for it's duration

>>32705617
You mean compared to 50% of other specials that make them actually immortal for their duration?

>>32619603
Fucking chikin. Now I have withdraw symptoms and want to play the new update.

So now that Nurse's Horn has been nerfed into the ground is Just Bandage the best healing item?

>>32637182
if she played it well, we wouldn't have shit to do ourselves

Mio feels like she'd be amazing at stage but garbage at endless.

I hope spider cooking now can be combined with something other than lava bucket because i like having meteors

>>32619603
>>32620109
https://twitter.com/HoloCureGame/status/1567724407476428803
24 HOURS FROM NOW

How to move my save to another PC?

>>32712243
Go to C:\Users\*yourPC*\AppData\Local\HoloCure
Take save.dat and move it to the same place on the different PC, also the settings.json if you want to keep the settings you have

>>32700863


Words like bug or exploit are simply a short way of saying 'unexpected behavior i dont like'.
There may be good reasons for not liking it even. What im trying to push back on here is the uncritical blindspot over the notion that there could even be a debate over such a thing in the first place. To push back against the notion that either, 1. anything unplanned is automatically bad, or more importantly, 2. that anything being more advantageous than other things is automatically bad.

The one argument you always see every time a subject like this comes up anywhere is something like, 'one choice being especially stronger than others makes a game trivial by rendering all other possibilities superfluous', which, on a theoretical level, can certainly be true. This is not an argument against that notion. It is a notation of that fact that, so many think of nothing *except* this notion; their minds are closed off to the idea that there exists anything else in possibility space *beyond* this concern. That a situation where *all* choices are trivial and functionally interchangeable in utility is not only possible, but is in fact the *most* common failure state of popular games in practice, far more than the former case.

There are sociological reasons for this tendency of course; when true equality is achieved by leveling everything to the ground, it may suck, but it also means that there is nothing for anyone to feel *spiteful* over against anyone else, either. The human animal is all too willing to accept things sucking if everything sucks for everyone else, too. Any time a shitter has a bad time while other people are having a good time - or indeed, even the *perception* of other people having a different (and therefore better) time - they will become extremely voiciferous over it - irrespective of whether it is justified or not. And since most developers are humans, they are sensitive to these dynamics too. The squeaky wheels get the oil, and the cycle proceeds thusly in one instance to another over time. The optimization process working towards optimizing for social stability, rather than optimizing for depth of gameplay. Many such cases.

>>32713178
>Words like bug or exploit are simply a short way of saying 'unexpected behavior i dont like'.
Oh so you're just inventing definitions of words to fit whatever narrative you're pushing. Well fuck off back to wherever you came from then.

>>32619603
The Jap is in love with this game. Their cure thread is several times longer than this

Somehow migo has better fire dmg than orange chicken

>>32714211
It makes sense, they are finally being catered to directly with new JP idols on the roster. That would create more hype around a months old game.

>>32714159


Dumbass.

>>32714367
Kiara got updated, but we haven't seen it.

>>32715500
>invents a straw-man out of whole cloth, completely unrelated to anything anyone actually said
>insists words have different meanings and usages to how everyone else is using them, adhering to said straw man
>writes like a typical high school student in english class
>posts off-topic normie level 4chan references in their images to try to fit in
This isn't reddit, go back.

>>32712498
doesn't work. I'm getting a code error

>>32714211
They will be confused about even more meme choices!

>>32717319
Oh it looks like you aren't able to do it according to the site. Well whatever just throw the save.dat into https://www.saveeditonline.com/ and edit to match (or improve) your current save.

>>32717099
He's saying that you're getting baited by a /v/ pasta that's so ancient they found a replica of it in Pompeii.

>>32717099


Nothing you post is responsive. If you wanted to have a conversation, consider the fact that you never defined your terms in the first place dummy. I explained what *i* mean, and im not going to bother trying to play 20 questions with you about what *you* mean while you say 'no thats not what i mean' every time. If you want to turn this monologue into a dialogue, you can go ahead and elucidate what you mean too any time, assuming there is any.

>>32718297
>Nothing you post is responsive.
Indeed, it wasn't responsive. Your points were unrelated to any topics being discussed.

>I explained what *i* mean
No, you tried to explain what other people meant and were wrong.

>>32674204
I really like Tom (and Ben) and this really fucking surprised me, it's kind of amusing seeing someone who has no idea about hololive reacting to the game tho

>>32718658


Babe, why are you using your mouth to speak when you could be using it to polish my hyperweapon.

>>32717898
Nice. Thanks anon.
Almost tempted to cheat my coin numbers.

>>32619603
>UPDATE 0.4 DROPS 9/9!
so close

>>32722628
I can almost taste it

>>32724280
That sweet AZKi sweat...!

>>32619603
When will they add ID?

>>32727741
I... I don't want to start it but I have to know. Will they add males?

>>32728015
Yes

>>32724458
uuuoooooh

>>32728015
Kay's got a big ass google doc with every Gen in it, including HoloStars.

>>32731217
My bet is that he will add Tempus pretty soon with the reasoning he wants to complete the EN roster, which is a reasonable suggestion, but will probably wait on the other Holostars because people will flip the fuck out if every single JP girl isn't in before their many Holostar members get into the game.

>>32731787
I suspect he's actually just going to do ID next so there's representation for all regions and then go in chronological order based on debut, since it's the most defensible thing to do.

>>32731787
That would be stupid. I don't care if they are eventually added but JP should come first.

>>32731847
here
see >>32731851
for my exact reasoning, thank you for saving me the time having to explain myself in detail.

>>32731914
>>32731851
Anyone who gives a shit about anything Japanese thinks of sonority as something that actually matters, one of the many glaring flaws in Japanese society, when entertainers should be judged exclusively by their popularity.

Just like how any employee or professional of any kind should be judged by the results they produce.

>>32731851
>JP should come first.
This started off as an EN-centric game anon. That was obviously the main reason this whole project exists. If he stays true to that focus he will add them before all of JP.
I also think he may do the same thing he did this round with Gamers and Gen 0 but with smaller gens like Tempus or ID going hand in hand with a JP one.

>>32731787
Maybe? But I think it's a better idea to let them stew for a while so they can build up memes and references and develop their on-air personality to make for better references/influence their playstyles. ID1 seems like a shoe-in, since initial release had a lot of Gen 0 references and the preview stream Kiara did had a lot of ID1 references.

>>32732898
ID is collectively the size of two full gens so maybe just have them all go in one patch.

>>32733065
I think ID3 would have the same problem as Tempus. It'd be better to pair an ID gen with a JP gen like >>32732768 was saying.

>>32733431
I literally don't even know who most of the members of ID3 are. The only one I know is Kobo.

>>32734585
well, not everyone is you.

>>32734705
Statistically most people are.

I hope Kay Yu goes all out with the difficulty in the later levels
https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1559033151468359680