/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

they're learning spanish now

>>3238443
without proper education you would never learn japanese...

>>3238443
shut up I havent even learned english yet

Obsidian League user here. People go nuts at this level.

Duo barely teaches you anything.

>>3238443
Why bother if they're learning English because they crave my big red Supachats.

>>3239452
Duo is designed to keep people motivated. But it does fail when it comes to actual learning.

>>3239452
Duo is a great support that also keeps people motivated, but that's it, you definitely need more.

How is it that they're able to learn english so quickly?

what rep

>>3238443
I'm learning Latin

>>3240250
having an alphabet helps

Jokes on you I'm learning Indog

>>3240517
Duo is so violent.

ヅオはとても激しいです。

>Nene in story mode

If there is a single holo who learns english in the next two years I will cut an entire fedora into bite sized pieces and eat it with milk

>>3242132
>a single holo who learns english in the next two years

>>3240250
Pronunciation and the usage of 'a' and 'the' fucks them up though

>>3238443
>duolingo
>not the superior lingodeer
NGMI

>>3240305
>mortuus lingua
quamobrem?

>>3238443
It's fine.
My cat is more likely to start practicing law before Nene learns English.

>>3238443
Slow and steady

>>3240250
English is a relatively simple language. It has consistent patterns, a single script, and over a billion speakers, with all the content you'd expect. It bleeds into every language.

>>3249578
>english is a relatively simple language
EOP detected

>>3252859
Relatively, anon.

>>3249375
>Korean
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?
Nabi? Ina?

>>3249375
I have been slacking

>>3240250
They already know english. The majority of holos already knows english. Pretending to have terrible english is just an act

>>3254337
Japan fucking raged when government tried to include a English exam for college entrance due to poor english proficiency ranking like two years ago.

You know you fucked when Argentina is ranked better than you and Argentines pronounce Colgate (brand) as the spanish word for "Hang yourself"

>>3238443
It took me 12 years to learn english, they will take longer than me

>>3240250
Top class teacher provided from the company

>>3238443
japanese duolingo course was not very good 2 years ago...

What's even the point man

>>3238443
I don't do reps anymore. I watch archives at 1.75x speed.

>check current rankings of league
>1st place Vietnamese learning Chinese
>2nd place turk learning German
>3rd place American learning Spanish
Everyone looks so motivated...

>>3252898
>thinking english is simple in any way
EOP detected

>>3252859
ESL-kun here, and yes it's easy

>>3242132
>eating a fedora with milk
subhuman
chase it with seltzer water

>>3238443
I'm doing my Anki reps. Japanese is such a shit language. Absolutely nothing instinctive about it, it's all just raw memorization.

>>3238443
I'm doing not too bad in hearing comprehension but kanji are fucking discouraging.

>>3254704
>You know you fucked when Argentina is ranked better than you and Argentines pronounce Colgate (brand) as the spanish word for "Hang yourself"
No, that's just a random tidbit you picked up.

>>3258266
>Conjugation
>Gender
>Tones
>Script
>Pronunciation
>Etymology
>Vocab expansion
Retard detected.

>>3258710
The Kanji are the easy part for me. It's just Chinese with different pronunciation. I keep forgetting hiragana and Katakana.

>>3258864
>I keep forgetting hiragana and Katakana.
I'm stuck on this part too, it makes me feel retarded

>>3258894
There's a game on Steam I'm going to try: Learn Japanese to Survive: Hiragana.

>>3258864
Curious, it's the other way around for me. I would think the kana are just different alphabets you need to learn, which both together took me two months each not accounting for overlap and also learning vocabulary and kanji at the same time. Hiragana went ok, for katakana I had to write a list and make sure I memorize which ones look similar and easy to mix up. I will probably have to do the same with some Kanji which I keep confusing. Also, I don't know how to memorize Kunyomi and Onyomi readings and which one's to use, or how to know when a string of kana could be written as a Kanji instead.

>>3259079
Adding to this, I also learned both kana alphabets by typing simple phrases with an IME.

>learning japanese
You will never be Japanese. You have no ancestry, you have no citizenship, you have no skills that would make Japan ever want you. You are a shut-in self-hating white man twisted by delusions of mythical Japanese superiority and exposure to Japanese media into a disgusting mockery of nature’s perfection.

All 'validation' you get from other people in this position couldn't be worse in making you believe that spending years of your life learning a globally useless language to a first-grader's level was a worthwhile use of your time, but one can't expect that an individual as pathetic as you will ever know the value of the youth you threw away in doing that.

Actual Japanese are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of linguistic evolution have allowed natives to identify frauds from mannerisms and vocabulary alone. Even if your written text of self-hatred and attention begging akin to a stray dog's somehow passes as normal (it won't), any Japanese person will immediately cut all ties when they hear the voice and accent of someone who is not only a basic Japanese speaker at best, but worth no more than garbage in skills, accomplishments, and likeability.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile and laugh to yourself believing that watching a content creator that you understand 20% of at best is somehow superior than watching your own kind, as you project your disgusting traits onto your entire kind. However, deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight, and you know that. You know that all you do now is have an entirely new linguistic medium in which to be ignored, and not even the exotic trait of being foreign makes up for just how uninteresting of a person you are.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Western man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably Caucasian.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back. Hate yourself and apologize for being white to some Japanese entity that exists only in your mind while actual Japanese people put in effort to learn English for the valid reason of it being the global language.

>EOP cope-ypasta

>>3238443
Yes, but I have stopped with the new cards for a long time now.

>>3259252
Damn came here to post it too late

>>3240250
they already know english from school
it's the same as spanish for a lot of the USA, they have classes in high school so as an adult picking it up again you already remember some grammar rules and vocab

>>3238443
Every day

>>3239452
not everyone is a NEET who is going to be autistic and set up Anki the specific way some anon on /jp/ says
for everyone else, the tool that they use consistently is the best one, and that's duolingo

>>3258830
> didn't make a counter argument
fedora detected

>>3259560
Duo is terrible for Japanese. It doesn't teach you any of the hard bits (grammar) - you just have to infer it yourself.

>>3259718
the best way to learn japanese is the way people actually use
if it's duolingo then it's duolingo
who fucking cares if it's perfectly optimal?

>>3259302
what is this?

>>3259753

>>3259818
mad as fuck

>>3249578
>English is a relatively simple language

>>>/jp/

>>3259836
I'm not mad. I too thought that duo couldn't be as bad as everyone said. So I went through the whole course, and it was a waste of time.

>>3259797
Anki, with a 10k sentences deck. I put kanji in for words that were in kana only, and everything has audio on the answer side of the card.

I just finished my Anki cards, reread a few chapters of Tae Kim, and a couple chapters of Yotsuba!

>!

>>3239452
But it's a great starting point for any language. It won't take you to native level, and no course or program will, you have to combine multiple techniques and methods to make consistent progress.

t. polyglot.

>>3260052
But I don't play touhou

>>3240250
Because English is everywhere so they interact with it everyday even if they aren't actively learning. It also helps that it uses the standard Latin alphabet which makes it a lot easier. That is why even the ones who are really bad at it, like Miko, at least know something. You can't get away from English.

>>3238443
>duolingo
OMEGALUL, you're better off rewatching your favorite anime

>>3260776
>twitch speak
Kill yourself.

>>3240250
The giant English audience who will pay them to say their favorite meme phrases

>>3259252
I don’t want to be a nip or live in nipland

>>3240250
Like a quarter of everyday Japanese vocab is English loanwords. The real problem they need to deal with is grammar.

>>3249375
I lost my 300+ streak yesterday because I missed a day and didn't have an extra freeze streak. I feel defeated, keep it up though man.
DON'T FORGET TO KEEP FREEZE STREAKS.

>>3259718
Grammer is always the sticking point for me when I try to learn a language. I just can't be arsed with it.

>>3263619
I can tell.

>>3258266
EOPs are the ones always talking about how hard English is, because they think having non-phonetic spelling makes a language impossibly difficult.

>>3258266
English is very simple. I'm brazilian and i'm studying japanese rn.
I naturally learned english just by playing videogames, never had a teatcher, never really studied it. Just pure exposure due to videogames and movies since a young age.
No one in my family circle except my little sister speaks english, and she learned from exposure+me.
On the flip side, both japanese and my native tongue are extremely hard to learn, not only in writing but speaking as well, so much that even when americans come here and live for years, sometimes decades, everyone notices immediately that they are foreigners.
English is babyshit, aprende portugues ai, macaco.

I don't watch any jap ones. EN all the way. Fuck off back to /jp/, this is an EN board.

>>3264755
dumb frogposter

>>3258614
>Japanese is such a shit language. Absolutely nothing instinctive about it, it's all just raw memorization.
N99 detected
>>3259973
Most of those definitions are redundunt.

Started in February.
600 kanji in rtk. Chapter 10 genki. 400 words in 2k.

My understanding has gone from 1to 4 percent. Realistically .

I will trudge on. Hope is forsaken in these lands

>>3249578
burgerchama...

>>3238443
Is Duolingo even useful?

No I won't learn faster than they can learn English. Just look at this fucking type writer that they use to have....

>>3238443
>tfw 400 day streak
>Only doing the first level on japanese to keep it up and haven't progressed in over a year.

>>3268410
It's only good to keep users motivated. Beyond that? No.

>>3268410
it's as useful as you make it
if you progress constantly in it over the course of a few months and keep up, you'll be pretty decent with vocab and kana
if you don't then you're just as well off as if you started Anki and slacked off too

>>3268410
if you don't know anything yet, then yes

>>3258266
It is
t. ESL

>>3258266

Anon, arch-linux is the easiest linux to use. Want to know why? Because the wiki is extensively maintained and there's tutorials and guides for every little thing. Even if another distro is easier, by nature of having less tutorials arch-linux will be easier in the long run.

Likewise, the entire world knows english, therefore it is easy. English can be found everywhere in the world without even looking for it. Even if french was easier (which it isn't), who gives a fuck about french, I never see it in my daily life and don't give a fuck about any french media, so it is immediately harder regardless of how intrinsically easy or hard it might be.

>>3268410
more useful than Anki considering half of the faggots who start on Anki or Genki or whatever /jp/ recommends start and then stop practicing within 2 weeks

>>3280724
>whatever /jp/ recommends start and then stop practicing within 2 weeks
Pretty much this. Duolingo is designed to trigger addictive tendencies.

>>3252859
>>3258266
>english is hard because it has exceptions to rules

Every language has exceptions the only difference is other languages label them within subcategories to trick you to into thinking there's a consistent rule with them when there isn't.


See: Irregular/Imperfect words especially dealing with past or future verbs in any language

>>3280119
This is a really good point honestly. In fact it's probably part of why I have trouble feeling motivated to do my moon reps. There are so many translators out there so even though I consume japanese media, chances are I can find it translated into English.

On the flip there's Russian, which I'm fucking dying to learn but i have zero idea where to start, and the media I would consume in Russian is mostly scholarly or related to cultural anthropology.
English is hardly the hardest language to learn, even with some of its weird rules.

>>3280119
>arch-linux

>>3261731
You will never get the lvl 10 achievement now

shut up and listen to this woman's blessed hearty laugh. type in Ohamomo in Nihongo and you'll get mentioned. Thats the entire stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkvcakT8HTQ

>>3281190
English has the problem of having exceptions to just about everything

>>3283221
But it doesn't pretend to not have exceptions and just label the exceptions as a function

Like with how French declensions 1-3 and the imperfect forms pretend it's not an exception.

>>3240250
english is everywhere and nips have an hour of english class daily for 12 years of school. its actually amazing how much nips suck at english. BTW instead of duolingo just watch precure or some kids shit with JP subs and do anki. same time investment but you might get somewhere.
Duo is a good start tho. ganba everyone

>>3238443
make me.

>>3238443
>>>>>>>duolingo