/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32519428
Nobody cares about lore, lorefags. Go kill yourself in your lore.

fuck you Omega

Here's my crack at a pwerscaling tierlist, ask away. Tiers represent how many humans would it take to best them.

Here's my crack at a powerscaling tierlist, ask away. Tiers represent how many humans would it take to best them.

>>32520999
Interesting tiering. Do the humans in this scenario get better weapons the more there are of them (like fighter jets or nukes) or is it just a baseline humans?

>>32520999
Mori is just a shikigami, she's not the incarnation of death or anything like that.
Fauna is above both Kiara and Ina. Mumei ought to be way higher, on the same level as Fauna probably.
Your list sucks.

Finally we have a home to chuuni all we want on vtuber lore.

Thank you anon >>32362253 for the suggestion, and thank you OP for making the thread >>32519428

>>32521398
Yes, they get weapons scaling up with the tier. It goes like this:
>2^0: 1 person beats them, as they do not possess any significant strength, you or me could easily beat them up
>2^1: they can handle 1 person, but a second one would do them in as they are unable to calculate with two separate enemies
>2^2: imagine a yakuza hit squad, with some weapons and a handgun
>2^4: they could survive a fight in an elevator with ease, a mobile task force is needed to eliminate them. Flashbangs, smoke grenades, night vision googles and sniper support
>2^8: the task force is not enough, a squadron is necessary. Artillery, tanks, ground-to-ground missiles, drones
>2^16: a nation's strength is needed to eliminate them as they can at this point eradicate hundreds of people at once. Fighter jets, battleships, aircraft carriers
>2^32: international threats, the whole world needs to unite to have a chance. ICBMs and nuclear warheads are unlocked
>2^64: interplanetary threats, humanity is doomed if they turn rogue. They only lose to those above
>infinite: absolutely broken, unkillable beings that can only be thwarted by an equal for a set amount of time
>>32521615
Mumei is merely an avatar of our civilization and progress, a librarian for all of mankind, she by herself is not powerful at all. Similarly, Fauna also only controls life on this planet and she lacks the firepower to destrly other worlds like those above. Mori is up for interpretation, but she can reap anyone below her, either killing them or rendering them inavailable for a while.

>yo let's make a thread about lore of vtubers
>but it's hololive only, so it's stuff everyone already knows
yeah interesting...

>>32522072
Let's discuss vshojo's attempt to make a lore crossover with other vtubers then.

Seeing calli in mouse's lore video shocked me the first time I saw it.

>>32522072
It's not just about hololive.

>>32520999
Marine would probably be 2^2 by that description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_hUpHUTJwQ&t=55s

I would also change a few more holomem like La+, Fauna and IRyS to infinite. Even H-bombs would be useless so I don't see how humans could kill them.

>>32519428
What's the difference between this and a writing thread?

>>32522443
I don't think I'll use crossover characters for scaling but it would in theory be a legit way to scale vshojo characters.

>>32525635
Writing thread is about headcanons, fanon or pure speculation. Anything goes there because it's mainly a creative thread.

While in this thread, strictly speaking, posts should only consider canon things seen on streams (and other official media, but general consensus is that each media should be powerscaled separately >>32238575). Unfortunately a lot of people aren't that familiar with the streamers they are "powerscaling" (mostly due to them not watching enough, if any of their streams) so a lot of it looks like headcanon, especially when there's no sources listed.

>>32147562

>>32519428
HOLY FUCKING SHIT AN ACTUAL LORE CHANNEL?

ANON I KNEEL

Also I genuinely think Council's Debut Lore is a mess. How do we fix it?

Like I promised, here's my Vshojo scaling.
Instead of making a huge post I decided to just post my reasoning on request.

Is Kiara that powerful or is she overexaggerating to inspire terror to those below her? She's quite the dictator after all

>>32526779
By introducing new meaningful lore in their own streams, like what Fauna did when she introduced Nemu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylwahhz2a_U

2bh council really did kinda fuck themselves over because their debut lore is already too specific and intricate. The "I'm the personification of X concept of the universe" leaves them hardly any rooms for further expansion and any changes they might want to make in the future will be seen as contradicting/retconning their past lore (which is what Fauna did to some extent, depending on your interpretation), whereas on the opposite side of the spectrum, vtubers with basic-ass debut lore like Haato, Amelia, Risu and Moona can develop their lore however much they want as there's really not much that would pose a problem continuity-wise (and they did).

And frankly, all the most kino and actually memorable lore are all developed on-stream, together with the viewers.

>>32526779
I think you need to be more specific in what you think is the problem but I feel like they lack some kind of rivalry or plotline. I liked what Myth had at the beginning with an actual investigation.

>>32522049
Where do you think the Tempus guild would go. Alone I think Magni is the highest at 2^4, but as a group I think they would be at 2^16.

>>32528558
I don't know much about them but I would be suprised if they would go over 2^8 in that scaling.

>>32520999
THE WRIIIIST GAME/10
Didn't Hindu religions tier their deities by number of people it took to equal on deity in power?

>>32523287
I share the sentiment in >>32238575 that only "feats" "confirmed" by the talents themselves (it's all fun and games and highly inconsistent with a lot of backtracking and forgotten information anyways, hence the apostrophes) should count and Marine said that she's just a cosplayer, ergo average female strength.
As for the others, intergalactic threats still exists, if anything, they go in that category. Sana and Mori can kill all of them by spawning a black hole on top of their heads or reaping them and Kronii can freeze all of them in time, rendering them useless. Still, I'm not opposed to bringing them further up if there's evidence for them being able to tank all that humanity can throw at them.
>>32528558
See >>32529085 with the addition that together they're not that much stronger either. Vesper is a 2^8 because he's a vampire like Mel and I'm willing to give them that strength, Axel is a 2^4 because he can be shot down quite easily, Magni too, and Regis is probably a 2^8 but I know jackshit about how strong a hero is supposed to be in their setting, so probably limbo-tier until further information.

>>32527753
I'm curious if she discourages eating because it actually kills her for or because it just takes longer to resurrect on top of resurrecting from solid waste just being super embarrassing.

>>32522072
Then go add some of your chuubas from your preferred agencies then shitter, we got bunch of Nijis stuff on previous thread

>>32528179
Mumei did that as well so when she explained her title of "guardian" and how she hints at being implicit in several historic events, usually disasters.
https://youtu.be/9lJYmiIKUIs (58:41)

>That filename
I'll never forget Ina capping off Kiara's rant about powerscaling with a bottom joke.

>>32520999
psst, did you know that nene's previous character setting is that she's a fighter from another world?
Though idk if that's still relevant or not

>>32529873
Then you'd have to explain why a cosplayer is actually fighting pirates, since that doesn't make sense you can surmise that her being a cosplayer is merely a joke.

>>32531070
NTA but yeah, in this case, it's more likely to be a retcon, her being a cosplayer was a joke all along, or that she somehow became an actual pirate via training/event or whatever (because Marine fighting pirates scene is something that came AFTER the joke was made).

Unless of course, she addressed this problem on-stream, but I personally don't know if she did or not.

>>32531070
>>32531337
Tbh does she ever talked about why she has no ship to begin with?

what advice would you give to a chuuba preparing their lore if they planned on making it a relatively major aspect of their content through shit like the haachama arc or ame's timeline fuckery? eg.:
>should the tone always be kept light? how much serious / "dark" content is acceptable in a pretend anime character's lore?
>is there room to add depth such as through themes, morals, or deconstruction, or should it just focus on being funny / cool / generally entertaining?
>should the story be structured ahead of time, and if so how far ahead? how much influence should stream moments / audience in-jokes have on the development?
>anything else you consider important
basically what do you think makes a good lore-focused 'tuber

DBS chads finally found a foothold in /vt/ I eagerly await this thread devolving into jobbing and kneeling

>>32530006
Ash ingestion usually leads to internal toxin build up, it does not "come out" like food

>>32530006
in the CRX panel she said she killed the other phoenixes permanently by ingesting them, then again, in that same panel she "confirmed" to own a copy of AO-chan as well as powerful people having their hands on one

>>32531672
If I were a chuuba who made the lore a core focus of my content, I'd have the fan develop it for me through organic interaction with my streams.

The lore can be funny, cool, dark, or chuuni. As long as it connects with my audience and they love it, i'll make the lore canon.

I'll use magni for example. He created his mascot in a drawing stream as a joke with his audience, calling it magmite. Then, he created a story line for his mascot, with the 'John the cucked commentator' skit.

His lore is evergrowing and connects with the audience well. I even see people on twitter making real squeaky plushie of a magmite. Big monetisation opportunity right there.

>>32531672
>should the tone always be kept light? how much serious / "dark" content is acceptable in a pretend anime character's lore?
It doesn't have to be. But unless you are very dedicated to your rp your streams will most likely end up having a light tone anyway and I think that's fine.

>is there room to add depth such as through themes, morals, or deconstruction, or should it just focus on being funny / cool / generally entertaining?
Those are all great if done properly but I think most people would probably enjoy funny / comedic lore the most. There is a reason why one piece and one punch man became so big.
>should the story be structured ahead of time, and if so how far ahead? how much influence should stream moments / audience in-jokes have on the development?
You should build your lore with your streams. Think of it as a GM who has a basic plotline planned but will adapt it if need be.

>anything else you consider important
Creating fun or immersive moments with it on stream or in any other medium would be the ideal outcome imo.

>>32531672
Tone of most gaming livestreams will mostly be light because that's what people come for. That being said I like that Projekt Melody has an "evil" version of herself in Melware that she recently brought out to play Cult of the Lamb with. It was still lighthearted but she was leaning more into being evil while doing it which is a good compromise imo. The choice of game can dictate what you're doing if you're emphasizing lore.

>>32531573
But she has a ship and a pirate crew.
https://youtu.be/kBYjDcvbr7M?t=84
https://youtu.be/u_hUpHUTJwQ?t=4

>>32536361
On MV yes, but she always lose the argument about people asking her about her ship tho, hence the "cosplayer" joke.
But then again i have no idea which one counts which one doesn't

>>32536574
I'd say the one where we visually sees her having a ship+crew counts more since that's more akin to proof than what could be interpreted as a mere joke or circumstances (cosplayer). Also the ship and pirate crew lore is newer.

>>32527048
Seems like a weird listing. Mouse is probably the strongest physically, but Melware is strong in a way that kinda defies conventional rating. She's basically SKYNET. Unless there's a massive planetwide EMP that shorts all storage devices on the entire planet out at the same time then there's no real way to defeat her. She lacks a physical form herself but can essentially control anything mechanical, and has presumably taken over manufacturing plants to make more things that she can slip herself into considering the entire planet is populated by androids in the future. And yeah there's also the little thing of having effectively genocided the entire human race in the future.

Anyway aside from that Nazuna, Silver, and Froot are pretty unknown. Nazuna's certainly important and could be that high, but the extent is unknown and with amnesia she's probably mostly helpless at the moment anyway. Froot's probably not too misplaced given what we do know, but the range for a lich to be dangerous could certainly extend further past a town. Silver's current lore is pretty well fleshed out but considering what she's been up to on the sides in the new stuff I wouldn't really be sure where to put her. I'd probably also move Hime up a tier since she's supposed to be able to conquer plants plural with her army.

>>32535360
Being able to have alternative forms with established lore is a pretty good idea.
I wish Zentreya didn't just let her dragon form fade away without any explanation.

>>32537235
Planets. Not plants. Anyone with a saw could conquer plants.

>>32537356
VTubestudio also makes it easy to do without having to invest in extra models and the like. It can be a palette swap. Melware's a full redone different outfit but simply changing hair color or eyes or something like that could effectively accomplish the same thing without any monetary investment. At least on a 2D model. A 3D would definitely require more effort.

>>32537235
Melware's best established feat is definitely timetravel imo. There's also the argument that Vei tried to stop her but we don't know at all how that one went down or even if they actually had a fight.
Maybe Vei just fucked off when she realized that she would have to take out the entire planet to get rid of Melware.
Not sure if I want to place Hime higher, country level is basically the equivalence of the meteor that killed of the dinosaurs, does she really have feat that's higher than that?

>>32538956
Pretty much the only major lore drop for Hime was from her debut which confirmed that she took over her entire home planet and was settling down on Earth to do the same here. There's also stuff like her canon size is supposed to be as big as the Empire State Building, and I can't recall the specifics but I do remember there was some stream where she said that her progress on Earth was having already converted the entire population of some South American country into her children. I think Argentina or Brazil or something?

>>32539357
I still think country level is fine then. It's strong enough to withstand nuclear attacks while her children conquer the planet.

When it comes to Nazuna we can only speculate but considering that she seems to be an important figure in heaven we can assume that she can be scaled to the seraphim. And we don't know if losing her memory really made her that much weaker.

>>32527753
I'm wondering when Kiara said that her flames are as hot as the sun.

>>32530834
It's the other way around. Nene's original setting was that she was an alien from a Chinese-inspired planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUXDKisZWrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRlYYcC8IAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKRpRdXryX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_NpF_aAdo

This has been a thing since her debut stream.
https://youtu.be/fJ7ueGLuXk8?t=833

>ねねの故郷はタオタオ星のタオタオ村がねね出身でそこでタオリンって呼ばれたある
>Nene's hometown is Tao Tao Village on the planet Tao Tao, where Nene was born and was called Taolin.

It's only after the yab that they added the "from another world" part into her lore and took away any references to Chinese culture in her cover profile. Still, they never got rid of Tao Tao Planet since Nene still mentions it on-stream all the time so her old lore still holds up.

>>32544620
Did Nene ever mention how she actually got to Earth?

>>32544620 (Me)
Correction: The "from another world" (isekai) lore was always there from the beginning, including in her debut stream where she introduced herself as an alien from Tao Tao planet. So it seems she's not just an alien, but an alien from a different world.

>>32546358
Sadly I don't really watch Nene so I have no idea. But given the fact that her home planet is from a different dimension, and that she mentions going back to Tao Tao planet whenever she takes breaks, interdimensional travel magitek is probably involved, like Aki.

Have you ever thought about any cross corpo deathmatches that would be interesting?

>>32531672
>should the story be structured ahead of time, and if so how far ahead? how much influence should stream
This is an interesting question. A lot of the best "loretubers" run into the problem of running out of story to tell at once they finished with their own arc. Basically their past and background are now known, they went through what is supposed to be their character growth and there's no mystery anymore.

This why I think the best way to do it is appropriately Ina's way. Some people might not even consider her like a loretuber but she's actually very good at lore integration.

She has a premise "I'm not a tako, I'm a human". Which plays on her character design and everyone can see that the statement is false. BUT we don't know the why and how of her situation.
Then how she integrates her lore is made to work on the long run. She hints at her past and put out lore heavy content only drop by drop. A few hints in her MV or during her outfit reveal, a special lore stream for april fools, etc. We don't have the full story but Ina is definitely still telling it.

So I think if you really want to be lore heavy and in the long run. You should plan the lore to last from your debut to your graduation and spinkle it in between your regular activities.

Alternatively you have another way that's way more ressource heavy. Ironmouse was initially telling her lore mainly through her outfits.

>>32549388
She crash landed here and immediately started collecting beetles and bugs, also marrying any man she came across.
She is literally too powerful

>>32520999
Watame too low. She's immortal in a better way than Kiara.

>>32519508
Hi Hana

>>32520999
Any tier list with Hope and Chaos even one degree apart belongs in the trash.

>>32554319
Kek

>>32552942
We've never seen Watame respawn on stream, though. Kiara died at least twice and was reborn