/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32361939
A lot of the girls are too old to be idols

Don't some of the AKB48sluts do dramas where they have to be on screen with MEN?

Kronii and her cucks BTFO'd
get off this board now

>>32361939
GOSLINGNIGGERS DON'T LOOK

>>32361939
those are literally the same fucking thing, retard

>>32361939
when are holos going to shave their heads?

>>32362299
Exactly? Anon.
Example here is Hyuna, collabed with 2 guys to make a sub unit.
>inb4 Koreans
They're still idols faggot.

Idol culture crossing over with the worst of twitch e-girl culture where the existence of men is a pox on your donations.

>>32361939
Then fire Wamy

>>32361939
So?

>>32362484
You don't know shit

>>32361939
>AKB48 was founded as "idols you can meet". Japanese idols are entertainers/performers who appeal directly to fans for support. Close interactions between fans and idols allow idols to cultivate and maintain loyal fan followings.
>An idol is a type of entertainer marketed for image, attractiveness, and personality in Japanese pop culture. Idols are primarily singers with training in acting, dancing, and modeling. Idols are commercialized through merchandise and endorsements by talent agencies, while maintaining a parasocial relationship with a financially loyal consumer fan base.

AKB has no official love ban rule and they interact with males all the time, I better not see people calling someone a cuck or complaining about tempus ever again

>>32362622
>Using kpop for this where the vast majority keep relationships under wraps

>>32362972
>The all-girl idol group, which has dominated the music charts for the past couple of years, maintains a self-imposed rule that forbids members from dating.

>>32363123
Again, there's no formal rule, even in the past they wouldn't say someone was graduated for having a boyfriend, they would graduate for undisclosed reasons and a week later bunshun would post pics of the girl leaving a love hotel with a guy, it got even worse after miichan put out a whole act to make the industry look bad about the whole love ban thing, you can say it's something implied to be required, but there's no rule

>>32363123
Yes. Cover has a rule where love is forbidden among employees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loO708q0ncg

>>32363123
>Interacting = dating
Kill yourself retard

>>32363593
So this is why Kiara is so desperate to fuck Pomu

>>32361939
Doesn't need to be GFE to get gachis, just need to respect the fans, Korone and Botan Wont ever collab with males, do you really think they do GFE? or they are deathly afraid of their fans reactions? NO they do it as a gesture of respect, they love their fans and don't want to make them feel bad, simple as.

>>32363036
Males collabs =/= Dating. Try again, faggot.

>>32363872
it's not about dating, it's about the bad feelings it provokes on dedicated fans.

>>32363809
This makes no sense, not even actual idols avoid male interaction, people reject it because they get jealous, it's 100% GFE behavior, they avoid male collabs because they don't want their pathetic fans who self insert as their boyfriends to feel threatened, if you enjoy this kind of thing and even think it improves the experience then sure, feel free to defend it, but don't deny what it really is, it's kinda embarrassing that unicorns decided to start pretending that they're not unicorns

>>32363974
That's a you problem, not theirs. They star in dramas so you will see them touch lips with males

>>32364093
>while maintaining a parasocial relationship with a financially loyal consumer fan base.

>>32364035
>>32364093

Who cares about actual Idols, I'm talking about HOLOLIVE not trad Idols, tell me again how this makes sense:
>Korone
>Super Gamer, no GFE
>BTFO fans who tell her to go to sleep
>Punch them in the face and doesn't tolerate antis
>Is afraid of fan backlash from playing with males (????)??????)
She does because she wants, and understands her fans feelings.

>>32361939
>Idol culture
>ASMR
>Anime
>Streamer culture
Don't delude yourself please.

>>32362299
members of AKB48 have entered into Apex tournaments with male professional players, streamers and vtubers

>>32364257
Not their problem just keep pouring money in their bank account, sheep.

>>32364310
She can do that, but the others shouldnt be held in the same expectation as Korone, the talents themselves draw the line. Like you said, they can do what they want.

>>32364416
Well that settles it then. AKB48 isn't idol culture apparently from what I learned about it on this board.

>>32364310
anon you can't have your cake and eat it too, what you call "respecting her fans feelings" is GFE, the fans whose feelings she's "respecting" are unicorns who would leave her if she was having collabs with males, and she knows it, which is why she don't do it
again, if you like this then suit yourself, but you don't get to pretend she's just coincidentally acting like a GFE because she happens to want this for unrelated reasons

>>32364310
Hasn't Korone been on stream with a bunch of men, interacted with a bunch of male game developers and been given presents of greetings and wellwishes from male celebrities?
I mean the problem isn't males, and it's never been interacting with males, it's clear the problem is holostars.

>>32362622
you know that HyunA and E'Dawn, both from that 2 guys 1 girl subunit, were fired literally because they announced that they're dating, right?

i mean... i understand what you meant and agree with you but you picked the worst example of all kpop.

>>32364612
Then let them pick what they want to do, in Kronii's case she had no Idea her fans didn't want it, now that she knows, she wants to respect their wishes. She is not forced, if she really wanted to force the homos down her channel she could do it like Mori and Bae.

>>32364711
For promotion and sponsorships that's fine.

>>32364711
Yeah, instead of sending girls condom money superchats, send the boys condom money superchats, that way, you wouldnt hurt your oshi's feelings.
I bet if you send Regis Altare $200 worth of condom money SC, you will definitely make him graduate.

>>32361939
Of course not, GFE is word not used by Japanese, only the English speakers

>>32364633
Idols are just supposed to inspire you and give you the strenght to keep going on, but just like the girl who was nice to you in high school when everyone bullied you and you thought she liked you but then you found out she had a boyfriend and that made you want to kill her and then yourself, people react differently from having a supposedly close relation to someone, and AKB made it worse by promoting actual meetings with the idols instead of keeping them unobtainable like before

>>32364752
I picked this example because it's the most extreme, Hyuna didnt grt any blowback from the collaboration, she got backlash from the images that they were dating.

>>32361939
>Hololive
>idols
Maybe ~5 of them (at most) can be considered idols (and even then some of those still drink alcohol / interact with males / shit on gachikoi), rest are just vtubers who mostly play games and sometimes sing. And it's for the best that Hololive are not idols, idolfags are mentally ill - I had enough after im@s and LL. and those aren't even real-life idols.

Comedy and enjoyment

>>32364755
You're basically justifying the implied male ban, there's no choice in this situation
>kronii somehow didn't knew the gachis were behing her paycheck but now that she knows she can properly pander to them like the others

>>32364988
I'd consider vtuberfans to be equally if not worse than im@s and LL fans at the moment.

>>32365050
There is a choice, but you have to make it early on, like Bae, she barely got backlash, if you do girls exclusive for years then suddenly starts inviting males you destroy that dynamic. it's also about expectations, Hololive is Known for that, it attracts fans that want that.

>>32361939
Reminder that chumbuds think this is an idol
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience
And not this
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_idol

>>32364755
Try typing the last part without seething kek.
No ones forcing the homos down anyone's throats, the girls go to them to collab with. The point of this thread is to tamper expectations, don't go into a frenzy and do dumbshit like send condom money superchats to anyone, it breaks containment.

>>32365148
The oshi reflects the audience kek.

>>32365142
>join the GFE company
>do GFE content
>get backlash when you don't
>but they totally had a choice
nah

>>32365148
>Expecting western wikipedia to have correct definitions for a Japanese culture terminology.
Lol
Lmao even.

>>32365236
> the girls go to them to collab with.
Not Kronii, even before this she never asked them anything, all she said was she would do if asked.

>>32365319
>wikipedia bad deflection
Chumpedos really?

>>32365334
Pretty sure Kronii behind the scenes reached out to Vesper

>>32365236
>don't go into a frenzy and do dumbshit like send condom money superchats to anyone, it breaks containment.
I would never endorse any harassment, it's simple, collabs with males I'm out, how is this harming anyone?

>>32365408
100% sure you don't know what you are talking about, Kronii said multiple times she never asked for the collab, even the bois say they wnt invite the girls, Mori herself admited to inviting everyone.

>>32365476
https://youtu.be/HHWSBJPLIPU

>>32365476
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacsMqdk7lc

>>32365420
You're finally understanding the point of what everyone is saying here, anon. The joys of a free market society, innit?

>>32365481
>>32365506
She clearly wasn't talking about collabs, retards.

>>32365506
>If any of them reaches out i'm ok with it
exactly what I said, She would accept if they invite, she won't be inviting.

>>32365319
The most retarded cope I've ever seen this month.

>>32365516
Now you have to understand that voicing respectful opinions is nothing wrong.

>>32364897
Cool story but that doesn't change the fact that the idol industry is fine with male collabs as a whole and retards who use idol culture as a crutch for their unicorn faggotry should kill themselves immediately.

omegay going to get shot. watch this space-
oh wait
bad dum tss

>>32361939
I don't care about idol culture or GFE, I just don't want to see males interacting with females and as a customer I have the right to complain about it

>>32365818
Yup, it's free speech, Gabe Kroniig did the right thing without devolving into harassment, his followers didn't exactly understood the point he was trying to make though.

>>32365906
Who cares, I'm not fine with it, that's what matters, and isn't a big sacrifice to deny male collabs.

>/vt/ finally realizing that hololive aren't actual idols, but a GFE company
About fucking time

>>32365972
This.Pleasing an audience is a vtuber job. No one gains anything from mixed collabs. They can only lose money. It's financially idiotic.

It's not about the males, it never was. These people don't actually want mixed collabs. They're doing it to hurt me. It's a conspiracy against me, and (((they))) are behind it. They're always trying to ruin the things I love and care about. They ruined TV, movies, games, music and vtubers are their current target. They are coming for you too, be careful and don't fall for their demoralization attempts.

>>32366061
please read the thread, we concluded that
these girls and boys are idols.

>>32366061
This is an idol concert regardless of how much /vt/ wants to associate it with an sex service like GFE/BFE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASPrxTnRWW4

>>32366984
Meaning that they can collab without anyone sperging about it, right anon? Because idols do that!

>>32361939
Idol and GFE are one in the same two sides of the same coin you dumb shit poster

>>32362572
kronii might if they take her pc away so she cant write anymore dumb shit.

>>32367171
Same as >>32366984, if they're an idol company they can collab with stars without any backlash, right? That's my point here. People don't treat them as actual idols, no one does, but as GFE/BFE material. They may be idols on paper, but for everyone else? They're just another GFE/BFE.

>>32367351
No they're not you fucking retard >>32241614

>>32367207
The sperging is a you problem for being rabid, not theirs, admittedly some of them pander to unicorns.

>>32367504
yes they are seethe about it mald over it you are nothing but a wannabe 4chan expert shit post harder for those (you)s

>>32365972
>I just don't want to see males interacting with female
Then just don't watch
>as a customer
Watching streams =/= paying for a product

>>32367580
Anon, sorry to break it to you, but I've been an idolfag since 2006 and >>32367504 is actually right.

>>32367495
But they advertise themselves as an idol company, so you not recognizing it is a you problem.

>>32367677
>don't watch
I don't
I'm still going to complain because you faggots are ruining the thing I love

>>32367765
No you're the one ruining what I love because you send condom money to my oshis and make them feel bad, go away.

>>32367688
Throw out more numbers to try and sound smart you are not the only mother fucker that's lived longer than a decade who likes and knows about idols.

>>32367765
>because you faggots are ruining the thing I love
You're the one trying to fit in retard

I've been an idolfag since Morning Musume and I say that hololive isn't an idol group

>>32363593
Except nothing happened and nobody dated anybody so you can get fucked with that.

Truth is you're just jealous of the man she's collabing with. Seek help

>>32367580
(You)

>>32367677
Changing definitons doesn't mean shit. It is still another form of paid service. And alienating paying audience is stupid. The question is why they feel they need to do mixed collabs if they only have much to lose. Either they underestimate the effect or are dumb and think this will bring more money.

>>32363593
Holoen and HoloJP have different managers and different rules when it comes to running their group. HoloEN has more lax rules when it comes to relationship to co-workers

>>32362933
THIS THIS THIS

>>32367908
This is not about love or sex but attention. Men don't like to see other men get attention from females. Male territoriality in humans is at least 6 million years old.

>>32367925
>HoloEN has more lax rules when it comes to relationship to co-workers
collabing online with a virtual avatar is not being in a relationship retard

>>32362684
This. The unicorn shit is closer to traditional twitch female streamer culture than idol culture, yet unicorns claim to hate twitch.

>>32361939
Does AKB48 have EN and ID branch?

>>32367906
>Morning Musume
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXpyr0aVkHM
The so called traditional idol experience just sounds to be a cucked experience the more I hear about it. I am better off not watching these cockgobbling whores.

>>32368625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JKT48

>>32368374
You're basically just admitting to your jealousy with a bunch of evo psych bullshit. Don't listen to that guy and don't get help, just kys instead.

>>32361939
he's just simplifying the idea to the media

>>32368625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYC48

>>32368783
anon.....

>>32368783
Huh...
https://twitter.com/Reireimoan/status/1141762063368413186

>>32368783
They even have PH i shit you not
https://youtu.be/9aGObmN7t68

>>32369019
I never heard of this. This sounds like an elaborate joke. JKT48 is real though.

>>32361939
Does AKB-48 have a group of guys grooming the girls via Discord?

>>32368625
Sorry I meant to reply to you with this >>32369098

>>32369134
>via Discord
Anon you are confusing them with Niji EN where they call anyone on discord without prompt and are all in the same server.
In Holo EN all the gens like Myth, Council and Tempus are in separate servers. Even IRyS was in her own isolated Project Hope server with Project Hope management, until Bae dragged her into the Council server.

>>32369312
>In Holo EN all the gens like Myth, Council and Tempus are in separate servers
He doesn't know...

>>32368609
Exactly. Hana was right, after all

>>32367921
>It is still another form of paid service
You're not paying to watch you dumbfuck, no one gives money to a streamer expecting to receive something
>The question is why they feel they need to do mixed collabs if they only have much to lose.
They have absolutly nothing to lose, unicorns are literally the minority of the donations and merch buyers

>>32369312
Bae showed her members the DMs with Noir, homofag

Cuckoldry and shaved heads is always the fate of idols

>>32363809
>Botan Wont ever collab with males
I hate newfaggots so damn much.

>>32369605
>>32369368
>DMs
You know you can DM anyone if you add them as friend.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpe2atrs4LU

>>32369622
>Cuckoldry and shaved heads is always the fate of idols
Yes, if they're caught dating, not collabing. Try again, newfag.

>>32369517
You dysfunctional individual, support is given for a reason, the fact that you like what you see. If the streamer has a brain she will try to maximise that. If people don't like what they see they will either withold money or leave. How is that hard to understand? They gain absolutely nothing from mixed collabs, they can only lose profit. Are you fucking retarded?

>>32369739
Doesn't change the fact that they have contact outside of fans supervision

>>32369777
Kronii and Altare live in the same country. What would stop them from having sex?

>>32368374
anon, if I live with that mindset, I would probably try to kill myself thousands of times because my oshi will definitely react to chat that full of males

>White women Vshojo fans try to deflect from their near constant yabs by trying to force some narrative about idol culture which they've invented out of racism and desperation.

>>32369739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacsMqdk7lc
>They seem to be having a problem with Mario Party or something
>So, I just kind of asked like "hey, do you need some help?"
How Kronii or any of the girls can reach Tempus out on Discord when they had literally zero interactions before that and are supposedly on different servers? Explain that.

>>32369848
You're that expendable because you ruin their lives when you throw a fit. They'd rather lose profit than keep you.

>>32369979
Altare hates women.

>>32370112
Kronii and Bae have already confirmed the conversations on Discord

>>32370193
That didn't stop him from having a girlfriend

>>32370026
chat is just words, different from men and women on screen

>>32369873
Does not change >>32369312, that is they are in separate discord servers. Most of the time they only talk with there own genmates. They can't call each other unprompted to interrupt streams and can't gossip in the same server.

>>32369979
You'd love to think that Altare is seeking women when in fact he only cares about Vesper's affection, any female being fucked is just happens because they're in the way between him and Noir.

>>32370302
The collabs are not the problem, but what happens outside them

>>32370296
Multiple in fact.

>>32370343
Yeah, but they talk outside the streams which is even worse

>>32370379
You're right. You should stop spamming threads.

>>32370379
>what happens outside them
most of them, especially the ones that farmed parasocial fans have boyfriends.
This shit would never have been tolerated in AKB48. Some JP chubbas are actually married.

>>32370343
>They can't call each other unprompted to interrupt streams
That has nothing to do with being on the same server. It's just that nijiEN makes every stream open mic for some reason. In hololive they rarely do that but they could if they wanted to. Mori did it while playing jump king.

>>32370352
You just admitted that they are unprofessional and cannot be trusted

>>32370343
Heres my take: They're on the same server, but have private channels for each gen, and common channels for collabs and offstream chatting.

>>32370474
The homobeggars who created this thread, not me

>>32370302
what about people like bobby, who always leads kobo's fan project and is always mentioned, actually as a kobokek, I feel jealous of this bobby guy, male collab is insignificant (at least for me). if there's someone like him in your oshi community, what would you feel anon?

>>32370487
Don't really care what they do in their private lives. Just keep the anime girl characters in check, do your job right and entertain the audience without pissing them off.

>>32370540
You're right, anon! Altare is such a fag, I bet if you SC him $3000 and then type in condom money, he hill have a meltdown and graduate, go do it anon!

>>32370639
They wanted to join an idol group and must face the consequences

>>32370682
I am not a cuck like you to give money to males

>>32370682
Man, people really ran that shit into the ground
The copycats are always $5 or $10 too

>>32370818
5 dollars was enough to break Kronii mind kek

>>32370768
They're. Not. An idol. Group. Idols collab with men but they're banned from dating them, Holo is the opposite of that. They're just our GFE chuubas, that's all.

>>32370818
Altare got pill money for Ame twice, but I can't remember the amount.

>>32370908
They are idols even if you don't like the idea, homofag

>>32370547
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcakVN_4-m4
>Before debut I was in contact with Council
>Right before debut I was able to talk with Myth

My man posting a quote from a pre-historic interview from before hololive was even a recognized, popular group.

What's next, they're not idols, they're actually playtesters in training for Yagoo's Ping Pong VR game?

No no wait, I've got a better one, Yagoo is actually one of the idols since one of those decade old videos you love so much actually showed him moving around as an anime girl in VR!

OP is just one step ahead of us at all times, I am so jealous.

>>32370971
I'm a holofan, not homo, stupid cunt and I watch them for the CGDCT and GFE you faggot, not idolcuckery, rope yourself.

>>32371092
>I'm a holofan, not homo, stupid cunt and I watch them for the CGDCT and GFE
No, you are a homobeggar who has a cuck fetish to see your oshi having sex with another man

>>32371007
Imagine the rrat about Chimon beeing 5th tempus being true. That would mean this guy already chats with all of Tempus in discord
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqWGzQ_eoqE

>>32371266
>Still doesn't get that I'm actually against that, which idols do all the time and not holo
Rope yourself, faggot.

>>32371394
Ogey, troon

>>32369848
>support is given for a reason
And the reason is?
>If the streamer has a brain she will try to maximise that.
Ah yes, pandering to lonely man that spergs out like a kid whenever they see a male is surely being smart
>They gain absolutely nothing from mixed collabs, they can only lose profit.
They're not trying make any profit with these collabs, it's just for purely fun and entertainment and the majority of the viewers don't see any problem with it.
And loses are completly irrelevant because unicorns are the minority.

>>32371617
You are really scared to death of unicorns. Don't get upset because a $5 donation made your oshi have a panic attack

>>32370908
>They're just our GFE chuubas, that's all.
They're not your GFE cuubas retard, stop trying to fit in

>>32371784
Nice argument.

>>32371842
I am not arguing with you, I just find it funny that your Discord and Leddit group is so afraid of a group that you say has no power

>used goods
>unicorns
I dont get it.

>>32364857
Now who's going to drop a $200 red brick with "condom money for Kronii" on Regis cause' there's no fucking way I'm giving this bitch a supa.

no you don't

>>32364310
Sonic fucked her so hard she got dyed in his colours

>>32371617
dumbass, they are working for money, not to do what they randomly want. And people watch them for cgdct and gfe, not to see males.

>>32372040
>he's mentally stable?? He must be a ledditor!!
You do realise that deflecting doesn't make you win a discussion right?
And no, I'm not scared of unicorns, they're just annoying.

>>32373164
>And people watch them for cgdct and gfe, not to see males.
If by "people" you mean the minority then yes

>>32373847
Dude, these are all tourists you're arguing with. That's why they all appeal to the "we're the real x" arguments.

>>32361939
HoloEN members are called "content creators" not "idols"

>>32373847
mentally stable, lol, you don't even understand why female vtubing dwarfs male vtubing, you don't know the audience, you don't understand male nature, and you don't know how business works.

>enters thread
Holostars were a mistake
>won't elaborate
>leaves thread

https://discord.gg/pvhPVbnB

>>32374388
Based

>>32371394
>>32371424
When autism collides

>>32374388
Unironically true. Financially speaking cover should have made more all female gens, Especially another EN. Worse investment than sana

>>32374672
umm what? There is a new gen ever year and EN Gen 3 is in October. Or do you want them to accelerate like niji?

>>32374875
not necessarily accelerate, but looking at the market male gens make sense after many female ones, not just after 2

>>32374347
Answer me a question: is Suisei popular?

>>32374672
>Financially speaking cover should have made more all female gens
Yeah but yagoo saves both men and women.

>>32361939
that man is dead

>>32365673
Agree I don't know what's wrong with these people they need professional mental health.

>>32366061
Ask miko this

>>32370455
And you will never know whether they talked off stream or not or whether altare fucked kronii or kobo or whoever else you're gossiping about in your brains. Do you think these girls are going to tell you hey guys im going to chill with regis today at his killer pad ill be back tomorrow yeah? If their intention is to fuck no i don't think so.

Behold, AKB48 "The Idol Company"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ham9IdLbglQ

>>32367580
you're the one seething retard and idol never meant to be GFE/BFE they can collab with opposite sex just fine