/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32104333
what clip or stream is this even from im starting to wonder if mito even ever said this

Mito isn't holo you sussy baka

>>32104333
Shut up, faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91NunKqu-I

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>>32104333
I don't understand why you think it needs to be one or the other. Do you think if you actually had a real girlfriend she would never have any guy besides you that she would talk to and she'd never laugh at any guys joke but yours? Most people would think you were nuts if you were that possessive over a real life girlfriend and call it an abusive relationship. What you're asking for isn't GFE it's a downtrodden girlfriend whose so scared of her boyfriend beating her because he's jealous that she won't dare speak to another man experience.

>>32104448
Mito didn't say it ame stuttered when she asked her chat if she could Collab with astel

>>32104448
wah wah spoonfeed me

>>32104448
She didn't, that's how desperate holobronies are

>>32104936
>>32105228
after watching the video holy fuck is this quote taken out of context

>>32105008
I don't care what the girls do outside of their professional accounts but if they do not want to be held to idol standards or not have fans that think of them as their girlfriend they should make it clear by not selling things like hololive has in the past like wedding rings or dakimaras or oppai mouse pads. Or even make streams in the realm of GFE. Cause then they can claim that the fans are the ones soliciting a parasocial relationship. But as long as they sell or push GFE esque product they are soliciting dudes into delusion as much as the simps are asking for it

>>32105308
That clip always makes me laugh that people use it because in context mito was worried that she looked bad in front of the ENs, not the other way around

>>32104333
Kronii has never said she wanted to be an idol. And the only gfe she has done is for herself. So why are you mad, anon? (You aren't, you just like drama)

>>32104448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NTLTMd_0NY
It was back around the time Obsydia debuted and she was just commenting on them using memes of her to introduce the newbies to Nijisanji. She was implying she was "worried" that EN was following in her footsteps. Tribalfaggots just use it to shitpost though.

>>32105008
I also love to suck cocks

>>32105008
What you described is exaggerated and removed from the parasocial context of vtubing. What you're advocating for is the cuck experience.

>>32104333
Exactly, these EN whores are entitled fucks, they just want everything without actually putting in sacrifice

>>32105502
>only done gfe for herself
you retards act like she didnt play into the lesbian meme and didnt grope ina LIVE on stream

>>32104591
mito sex

>>32105633
Is the implication here that lesbians aren't allowed to interact with men or something? What exactly is the connection between her being a lesbian and collabing with men?

>>32104333
I hate you fags that have twisted the meaning of being an idol into "someone who doesn't interact with men."

>>32105797 I understand they have boyfriends but don't sell parasocial things and get upset when your fans look at you a certain way when you solicited that in the first place

The idol thing is the worst part about hololive.
It used to be funny because they were "idols" in quotations, that was literally the main joke. Pathetic cunts

>>32105370
There's no actual reason you can't do both though. This expectation that you can't collab with men if you want to be GFE is a completely arbitrary and fabricated rule nobody is bound to follow. A more accurate GFE is that she would talk with other men.

1. Idol doesn't mean what you think it means. Idols interact with males
2. The idol angle has always been a tongue in cheek joke even for JP holos. They are idol rpers, not real idols. For EN, most of them don't even know what idols really are and they just copy the joke. Only Kiara knows what an actual japanese idol is like and she also calls hololive idol RP

>>32105554
No you've just been indoctrinated to think that some arbitrary rules about what vtubers can and can't do are absolute truths by surrounding yourself with fellow nutcases for so long that you think it's a perfectly reasonable attitude that anyone should agree with. You aren't a cuck if you girlfriend speaks to other men than yourself and you certainly aren't a cuck if someone who pretends to be a girlfriend online talks to them either.

meanwhile mito also said this about nijiEN

>>32106239
The implicit understanding that both the fans and hololive girls have is that thier audience is almost exclusively lonely men and they do solicit that audience and that parasocial relationship especially when they sell the things that they do that is why bae talked to her fans like the retards they are. You cannot be upset why fans would not accept that despite that it is obvious that the girls do have boyfriends

>>32105308
What?
/vt/ would never deliberately misrepresent the facts to try and manipulate people into hating things for no real reason

I've never understood how an actual, honest to God unicorn would ever tolerate GFE. I've also never understood why people forget that hololive is an idol agency for girls who don't fit the mold of traditional idols, and are flexible with what being an "idol" consists in. Also treating "no males" as essential to idol culture is reductive and dumb anyway.

>>32106335
So demote the whores and make it clear

If only a few of the hololive English girls want to abide to it then let them continue but call them holostream and remove the GFE if "respect the talents personal relationships"

>>32106545
Still not really understanding why you think you can't do both. The only reason you feel "cucked" by this is because your told you should. People have had parasocial relationships with people for decades before hololive was a thing an none of them thought they were cuckolds because the person who they felt parasocial towards talked to men other than themselves. It's not an intrinsic part of a parasocial relationship that you should feel bad to see a female you have a parasocial relationship towards talking to another male. It's wholly contrived and learned from other fans that this is how you should feel and thus you do.

>>32106656
I consider myself a veteran idolfag going back over a decade ago. idol culture honestly is reductive and dumb. a lot of people looked past it and just accepted it for what it is, a flawed yet still inspiring media phenomenon. but now that the winds of change are blowing for the better, a lot of the hard-core traditionalists and newfags parroting traditionalist rhetoric are taking issues with it. I'm happy to see at least one self-proclaimed idol group is taking steps to better themselves. unfortunately they're so far removed from the actual idol industry that it's not really gonna affect anything long-term.

>>32104333
you might want to consider taking your meds anon. Choking on dicks all day isn't a health life style, we're concerned for you.

>>32106848
If we go by what happened with mafu mafu and how cover really only fired rushia on a techality. If the backlash wasn't as bad as it was they would have allowed it. Hololive saw how much of rushias merch got put on jap ebay and they knew the days of selling the parasocial shit was over.

>>32106962
They can Collab with males I just want them to stop selling the parasocial shit.

>>32107102
Rushia had universal support and the internet has a short attention span. She could've weathered the storm and found new paypigs, even assuming there was a meaningful dent in the revenue she brought in. Cover's rationale for firing ger was compelling even if she was just as profitable as ever.

>>32104333
They need to pick a side. They can't act like idols if they're going to fuck around like this. No more idol meeting, you have to say you're going to take a nasty shit like a regular whore from now on.

>>32107207
A lot of what people call parasocial is really just asymmetrical real relationships. They care about you, but they can't know you personally, so it gets mediated by a lot of other categories. You don't have the same barriers, so you actually can know them somewhat. There's really nothing wrong with that.

>>32104333
Idols are not forbidden from collabing with males. You don't know what an idol is.

>>32107240
Why do you think they had to issue a statement that they were going to refund the wedding ring for rushia fans. It was bad and also it was bad because it showed based on the way that the jp hololivers barley reacted to "official news" that rushia was terminated. You cant even believe that the girls are real friends

>>32107404
Fine they can Collab with males but they gotta stop selling the parasocial shit if they want to be regular streamers. But they wouldn't have made it as normal streamers would they. If they would have made it as normal streamers they wouldn't need hololive like that one girl who was dressing up as a clown for twitch subs cause she failed as a twitch thot.

>>32104333
>>32104591
>>32104936
>>32105671
>>32106375
HOW THE FUCK IS MITO SEX?
She can be doing literally jack shit and she's still sex. I don't even watch her, nor am I into JKs
This fucker must have done some deal with the devil to make her this sex, cause this shit isn't natural.

>>32104333
HEY YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER
I ACTUALLY KNOW REAL IDOL CULTURE
REAL IDOLS HAVE NO PROBLEMS TALKING TO MEN
WHAT YOU KNOW IS THE SCUFFED GREAT VALUE SHITTY LOVE LIVE VERSION OF IDOLS
PLEASE GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WANNABE CHINk PIECE OF SHIT

>>32107404
A vtuber idol is different from a real life human idol. They are not forbidden from collabing with a male but they are forbidden from collabing with male Vtubers. Unless it's a one time sponsored stream then it's unidol-like to interact with a male Vtuber.

>>32107958
I don't care what they call themselves what I would call them is failed twitch thots who were not able to make it. But if they want to be idols maybe they shouldn't remove or change their channel description from idol to detective

>>32108150
Sora isn't an idol then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0DJgv8Cmdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVfwXUS2eIo

>>32104333
Nigga real ass idols, no, not unicorn baiters like holo, collab with men all the fucking time. Even some of the more extreme ones like akb48

>>32108286
>failed twitch thots who were not able to make it.
pekora literally put the facecam on her cleavage like a twitch whore back when she streamed on niconico
even the jp girls are failed twitch thots you tard

>>32108542
They can Collab with men but they gotta drop the Parasocial stuff. Or call themselves holothots as most of them were failed twitch thots who even with boyfriends tard wrangling them couldn't hold it together

Is nigga the best insult you got?

>>32108300
Those aren't collabs you fuckwit. Sora calls in for literally everyone on their birthday, I'm sure it's company mandated.

>>32108695
Absolutely nothing of the sort is required. To you think traditional idols have to call themselves thots or reject parasocial shit because they collab with males?

>>32108661
Pekora the alias that girl has taken up as so far as we know hasn't streamed with a male right? So she shouldn't be apart of the conversation. She still works hard I'm comparison to Sana my contract didn't get renewed cause even ayame is completing with me on watch time

>>32106336
Next thing you're going to say will be something like 'you aren't a cuck if your gf fucked other guy because she still loves you', yeah whatever you say smart guy

>>32108781
If you think it's corporate mandated after watching these, you're completely ignoring Sora's goodwiil.

>>32108812
You cannot eat your cake and have it either go full on collabs with males and leave the parasocial shit to the side. Or go idol and do streams with your generates. Also why does it matter to you if they make money on the parasocial shit or not.

A simple mental exercise: imagine a stream being a physical event instead of a virtual one. It is you and every other viewer condensed into one person (the Chat) in a room sitting next and hanging out with the vtuber streamer as she plays a game or watches a movie. This is GFE no matter how how engaged or platonic you want to spin it as.

Now imagine what the male collab is: it's the vtuber streamer sitting next to, playing with and focused upon the male collab partner, while (You) are sitting behind them watching, passively. Imagine that. If you have even the tiniest amount of self-esteem or pride as a man, then you'd know that as KEK behavior.

>>32109151
You're the one who thinks it matters so much if they make money from parasocial stuff, not me. I'm cool with whatever. I also don't see why the two are on the opposite sides, or why you're saying parasocial when what you mean is closer to GFE.

>>32109259
If you had even the slightest bit of self esteem as a man you wouldn't have come to either of these conclusions.

>>32109352
Tell us the correct interpretation then.

>>32109450
That men and women can be friends, and if you hate that your girlfriend is paying attention to the other guy she's with, your self esteem is in the shitter.

>>32109352
You have a very high overestimation of the people of this board. Fuck you.

>>32109685
Fair enough

>>32109295
I say that cause I know that these some of the girls feel emboldened to Collab with the males cause they feel like it won't affect the dollar dollar bill for them.if they had to give up something like money or how they are perceived they would not do it. You have all these bitch ass vtuber news channels that cover for them. If a twitch thots did what ame did where she called her fans her little pay piggy banks she would have been memed and hated in just like that twitch thot who got upset her fans didn't have " 5 dollars a month"

>>32109558
>hey BF, I'm going to another guy's place to play a game with him for a few hours, want to come and watch?
Vtuber streamers are idealized girlfriend simulators. Why would you choose to simulate that?

>>32110002
If I liked the guy, and couldn't do anything more than that cause I wasn't proximal enough, sure. And no, I dont treat vtubers that way. Closest I come is treating them like friend-girls, and even then, I don't take that too literally.

>>32109558
>men and women can be friends
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCKING SHIT GET A LOAD OF THIS FUCKING FAGGOT! LOOK AT THEM JUST LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH!
>LAMAO THEIR JUST FRIENDS BRO!
>SHE DOESN'T LAUGH LIKE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FUNNY, BRO!
>NOT BECAUSE OF THAT THIRSTY LOOK SHE ALWAYS HAS ON HER FACE WHENEVER HE'S AROUND, BRO!
SELENPOSTERS IT'S OUR TIME

>>32109558
That’s hilarious. I don’t care about work colleagues/collabs, and I just won’t watch content that I am uninterested in, so don’t call me a unicorn. But men and women can rarely be just friends, and that just tells me how low value the women (if any at all) you have dated have been. I am guessing you are in kissless virgin or cuck acceptance territory?
I’ll always remember how my college sweetheart got invited to parties by friends while we were dating, and how those friends would insinuate that I wasn’t good enough for her (and that they were better prospects). Of course she never went to those parties (or brought me if she did), and we laughed about it together at the time. Always happened when she was alone, too, as they acted like “friends” to my face. I would have respected them a bit more if they would have done things openly.

>>32110146 (me)
Non idealized friend girls, I should say. I like my oshi and respect her, but I don't put onerous expectations on her and flip out when she doesn't meet them. Just the obligations of ordinary "friendship"

>>32110221
I've had a few casual relationships and one serious girlfriend that ended some time ago, for reasons that had nothing to do with infidelity. Don't know why I'm telling you this, but make of it what you will.

>>32110146
>>32110255
Are you a woman? Your platonic blindness to the entire appeal of female vtubers (their idealized femininity) and why men would instinctively be against even virtual, parasocial cucking is bizarre.

>>32110506
I'm a dude and my oshi is Mori. That probably tells you everything you need to know about me.

>>32110359
You just clueless then? Didn’t your exes ever tell you about their “friends” hitting on them? Not even once? Because it is improbable for that to have never happened.
Again, I am not someone saying it’s impossible for males and females to be just friends (and with regard to VTubers, coworkers are probably not even even friends in the fake sense), just that most (nearly all) of those friendships are based on the fact that one or both are feeling out the potential for fucking or have already fucked.
Again, to be clear, coworkers are existences which rarely become even friends. They are just like objects to most people. That should be the angle any HoloEN should be pushing, rather than insulting simps and the “maidenless”.

>>32105633
Right so if she's a lesbian then she probably isn't going to fuck male co-workers then is she, anon?

>>32111087
There were a few instances where my friends would bust my balls about my GF being too good for me or whatever. I didn't love it, but it wasn't serious. The closest to actual problem was when one of my GF's friends got upset that we were dating because he liked her. He eventually got over it.

>>32106732
Who is going to demote them? The guy who was walking around the last big con in a Magni shirt? Yagoo doesn't actually think they are idols either.

>>32104333
western values dictate that they can profit from GFExploitation and whore out at the same time and that a good boy must submit.

>>32104333
The girls collabing with tempus is based.

>>32104333
Take a chill pill or whatever meds you need
It's just a goddamn online collab
I get it you don't like males in your screen, just don't watch the collab and skip that particular stream
>idol tag
Traditional idols collab with males
>But they only collab with 3D males
If the 2D females collab with 2D males are bugging you that much I will remind you that traditional idols are 3D women and they collab with 3D males
And GFE != idols
But if they keep stuffing collab with males in your face then just drop that chuuba

I had sex with Selen and she was really bad at it.

>>32105308
Did you really think Mito would publicly shit on EN?

>>32107958
>I know real idol culture
>Idols have no problems talking to men
>Meanwhile in japan

>>32104333
I think it's a good thing since vtuber fans are fucking stupid and can't take a hint that vtubers HAVE to explicitly state whether or not they are going the idol route or not.
No pussy footing about it, in their intro just tell them straight up if you're going to be an idol or not to weed out who'll turn on you.

>>32116653
Japanese idolfags really are the most autistic people on planet earth.
I guess kpop stans and idolfags really are two sides of the same coin, cut of the same material but never seeing eye to eye no matter how similar they are.