/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

For Selen's new outfit, I'd buy all in.

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>>32070055
Estimated shares of industry viewing time for July 2022
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10706832/
Nijisanji is the orange, Hololive is the blue.

They are about the same size as Cover corporation. Anycolor makes more money overall, and is bigger in the Japanese market. They are the ones who pioneered Western vtubing as you know it today, Hololive basically copied their entire business model. They are the original.

>keep growing
who knows? They have very strong appeal to women because of all their handsome male vtubers, huge female fanbase. While Hololive's fanbase is 99% male. Hololive's fanbase goes berserk at any mention of male/female collabs, while Nijisanji treats males and females the same and freely mixes male and female vtubers.

One sign of growth might be the big Koshien baseball tournament Nijisanji does every year. Last year they got 150,000 viewers. This year they got 280,000 live viewers. Pretty good growth I'd say

>>32070303
Subscriber counts across all channels under the companies currently.
NIJISANJI 43,790,000
NIJISANJI EN 12,450,000

Hololive 41,886,000
Hololive EN 14,462,000
Hololive ID 7,377,000
Holostars 1,978,100
Holostars EN 569,000

>>32069972
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>>32070303
where do you even get all these data? do they ever share these "internal" numbers to the public?

>>32069899
I will buy shares in Anycolor until I own Selen’s IP and she has no choice but to become my beloved wife.

>>32070656
Anycolor's financials are public, as required by law
Some anon in /#/ actually went through the legal autism and paid to get a copy of Cover's financials from the Japanese government

>>32070656
Anycolor is a publicly traded company so they aren't internal numbers at all. They are on their own corporate website in their investor relations section.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/ir
For the numbers for Cover I believe Japanese companies are still required to publicly produce an annual statement of accounts and these numbers are taken from that.

The chart showing watch time is an estimation based off the number of viewers averaged on a stream and the length the stream went on for across all channels and all streams that month added up.

https://files.catbox.moe/62c4ww.webm

>>32070718
So the Cover numbers are technically public but you have to jump through a few hoops and pay a fee to actually get them while the Anycolor ones are actually just on their website?

>>32071143
Since Cover isn't publicly traded they're don't need to advertise their numbers to draw in new investors, but like another anon has said they're still required to report everything to the JP gov, which is why your are able to still obtain the info it just requires some hoops to jump through.

>>32070331
Oldfag autism compels me to correct some points here

>They are the ones who pioneered Western vtubing as you know it today
This is a weird choice of phrase. They pioneered Live2D, which is now the standard everywhere, but at the time was derided for being cheap and shitty. Western vtubers were clearly heavily influenced by hololive, who were pretty much the only vtubers besides Kizuna Ai that anyone overseas had heard about. The overseas NijiJP audience was unironically like 20 people on /jp/

>Hololive's fanbase is 99% male
It's 92%, we literally have Cover's data. For some members (Marine) it's as low as 70%

>Hololive's fanbase goes berserk at any mention of male/female collabs
This is entirely wrong, one of their 3 most popular members just had a concert in a unit with a guy

You also have the numbers for Koshien completely wrong somehow, the finals this year had 321K viewers

>>32071339
Not that guy but I wonder what do you think about what HoloEN is doing at the moment with the collabs with StarsEN? Considering it is their style of cute girls doing cute things that really set off the popularity of vtubers in the west why do you think it is that they seem to be moving more towards the style of the competition like NijiEN with the more male collabs instead of keeping things just girls only when its proven successful?

>>32069813
They'll be around for as long as the ccp doesn't collapse

>>32071659
There's still a big difference between what hololive does (separate branches that sometimes collab) and what Nijisanji does (one big mixed group) and that's never changing.
JP has always been the same, there's some members who pander to unicorns and some who don't. Even the ones who don't aren't constantly on voice chat with guys, they do occasional collabs and that's it. Literally nobody cares that Fubuki had a whole series with Oga or that Suisei is in a musical group with Taku Inoue.
If there are any genuine unicorns in the EN fanbase (which I sincerely doubt) it seems like Gura is stepping up to be their designated "no males ever under any circumstances" panderer, much like Noel and Miko are these days for JP

>>32072259
I don't know when you only have 10 members and at least a third of them already collabed with the members of the male branch within a few weeks of them existing plus regularly publicly on twitter it creates a bit of a different impression than oh we have that one member Fubuki out of 35 girls that occasionally will collab with Holostars while the rest of them barely acknowledge their existence. Seems like the EN branch is taking it further to me?

>>32072259
I'm not the most versed in JP holostars, but my understanding is they were much more of a passion project for Yagoo, with him managing it more personally.
If my understanding is right that translated to a pretty "professional" collab relationship whenever they dealt with the hologirls? Arurandeisu's handling of matsuri's character being my main point of conjecture.

>>32072716
Most of the members in question had already had male collabs before, it really shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. There's also been a lot more JP collabs with guys than you'd think - for example Subaru used to do stuff with Maimoto all the time. Save your doomposting for a few more weeks at least, I don't think it'll be as common as you're expecting long term.

>>32072792
StarsEN seem pretty professional to me, and I'm sure they've been briefed on how to act around hololive. They've ignored or immediately shut down any sort of shipping or collab begging just like the JP guys from what I've seen.

>>32073042
I'm not doomposting and I am not talking about male collabs in general. I am just saying it doesn't look to me like HoloEN is trying to emulate the relationship HoloJP has to Holostars it seems much more like they are going for a closer more integrated relationship between the two branches in the EN space.

>>32073191
I don't see any reason to believe that unless you have a terminal case of taking the catalog too seriously.
Remember how Mori did a song collab with Rikka pretty much as soon as the collab ban lifted? No, nobody remembers that, because she hasn't done any since and nobody cares.

>>32073042
>StarsEN seem pretty professional to me
Yeah, that was my impression as well, it's definitely has given the impression that even though they're technically the same branch, EN, they a part of of a different department so there's still a divide amongst the 2 groups, if that drops there would be a reason to believe there's a shift in their branches culture.
Kinda unrelated, but is nijiJP similar collab culture to nijiEn, or is it more conservative in comparison?

>>32073428
I thought I already explained why I thought that because proportionally speaking a lot more of the members in HoloEN have gotten involved with Holostars a lot quicker compared to HoloJP and the way the ones that have gotten involved casually interact on twitter on a regular basis or post screenshots of them talking on discord creates quite a different impression too.

nijisanji is great at making money they like to sell things and then cancel them without refunds its a good business model

>>32073596
They went through the exact same arc as EN back in their day, with the exact same outcome.

>constant impromptu collabs between friendly livers
>eventually fans ask them to tone it down because people feel like they're losing out on solo content
>collabs still happen very frequently, but they're generally announced beforehand or on streams labeled as being open VC

>>32073596
From what I understand the NijiJP branch used to be more like NijiEN in the way they will casually have mixed gender impromptu collabs like 3 or 4 years ago. Then as they got more and more members and things became more and more corporate over the years it stopped happening so much I believe. Also you get autism and complaining about it like you do in the NijiEN threads here. It will occasionally still happen though like I remember Kuzuha randomly sending an @everyone on discord to try get an Among Us game going last year during one of his streams with whoever showed up getting to join and people that play Apex/Valorant etc regularly will have other members join in the middle of streams sometimes if they need someone for a team or whatever but those audiences are generally more accepting of that kind of thing.

>>32073596
NijiJP isn't really comparable. It has a lot of cliques, and each of those has its own style and its own fanbase. I can't really think of any that are super heavy on collab and voice chat spam like EN though, JP viewers react quite negatively to that sort of thing.

>>32073641
Again, JP was a lot like that, you're just too new to remember it. To be fair, so is most of this board. Once the novelty factor wears off the EN members will go back to being autistic and never talking to anyone.

>>32073923
>I can't really think of any that are super heavy on collab and voice chat spam like EN though
Really? Nearly every stream from people like Kuzuha or Kanae is a collab with someone and they are some of the most popular members. They regularly play games like valorant and lol with a bunch of popular non vtuber streamers or popular male utaites. Or someone like Chihiro who is basically streaming Apex collabs all day everyday.

>>32074042
Kuzuha doesn't have people just randomly drop in on discord while playing singleplayer games, which seems to be the issue people have with EN. Playing multiplayer games with other people naturally makes sense

>>32073923
So you are saying that what 10+ members on HoloJP had collabed with Holostars within a month of them existing?

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>>32073923
Thanks for the rundown.
If there's cliques i can understand if it isolated to just a specific groups, but does JP get EN's level of casual yabai-ness in collabs?

>>32071012
To this day, this is by far the best live performance by a vtuber group.

>>32074228
True he doesn't but to say they don't have members that are collab heavy and have lots of people in voice chat regularly is just wrong. Most of his content is collabs and none of them are technically "announced" considering the guy doesn't even have a schedule and just streams whatever on the day.

>>32074261
This is a weirdly specific angle you're going for but yes, pretty much every single member of hololive had some sort of male collab or social media interaction before holostars even existed, including ones like Miko and Subaru who have since switched hard into 'no males' mode

>>32074410
I wasn't talking about male collabs ever. I was talking about the relationship between the main Holo branch and Holostars and the difference in both markets.

>>32074410
Ok I can kind of get how you could think I meant male collabs generally reading my first post again because of sloppy general wording at the end. But really I did mean male collabs as in with the Holostars.

>>32072716
Newfag please. Most of JP Gen 0, Gen 1 and Gen 2 collabed with Niji males. Subaru collabed with Maimoto when she was even few months after debut.

>>32074597
I don't care about collabs with niji males or any other males. I was talking about the relationship they are going for between the two branches. Much more of HoloEN seems to be willing to interact with HolostarsEN than HoloJP with Holostars.

>>32074437
Fubuki literally had a named unit with Oga (FOXDEMON) and they did over a dozen streams together. Nobody cares. You're either shitposting or getting really worked up over catalog bait.

>>32070303
Damn Pekor is powerful brand in herself

>>32069899
Ah, you like fat girls then

>>32070303
Nice try. Niki has less viewers and more tubers

>>32069813
Nisisanji, Hololive and Vshoujo are going to keep growing for several years from now on, so in that aspect you don't have to worry. And how big as a company? Probably the biggest, cover corp was a house made of scraps when anycolor had everything and tried to have the monopoly of vtubers in Asia, but the international power made Cover the most recognized and being able to surprass a company full of investors and companies by their side. So, unless they fuck up their China market all good

>>32070303
lel luca is worth 3 holoENs

>>32074875
I'm not worked up over anything. I am just saying a third of the entire branch interacting with Holostars in EN is a bit of a different relationship than one girl out of 35 interacting with them occasionally in JP while the rest barely even acknowledge they are a thing.

>>32075122
That chart is showing estimated live watch time, it's not really useful for making any sort of determination beyond who streams more (outside of extreme outliers in viewer numbers like Pekora)

>>32075116
I don't think there is any measure by which Cover is the biggest outside of the individual popularity of selected talents.

>>32075310
They absolutely dominate in terms of having the most popular talents. Every single HoloJP gen and both HoloEN gens average more viewers than over 90% of Nijisanji's roster.
Nijisanji makes up for it on the business (and events) side by having a gigantic roster with a very long tail, but they only have a handful of top talents who can pull the same sort of crowd individually.

>>32075909
That's more or less exactly what I was saying yeah. If the question is which company has the most popular talents then its obviously Hololive but if the question is which is the biggest overall then its probably Nijisanji.

>>32069813
>are they just another company that jumped onto the vtuber fad and will fade into obscurity soon?
They have been in the vtuber fad longer than holo, since if they're trend hopping they're doing it wrong

>>32078222
>They have been in the vtuber fad longer than holo
Technically true but slightly misleading, in that they started before hololive as a brand but after Cover and Sora
The only vtuber who started before Sora and is still active is Siro

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>>32075116
Cover was the bigger one in early day of Vtuber, they were one of few who has full 3D model and stuff for a reason, Anycolor just has an early breakthrough

>>32079529
I still have no idea what this image is meant to convey despite it being posted over and over for years
Anycolor were founded 11 months later but within 2 years had raised 3 times as much outside funding, they were substantially more well-resourced than Cover

>>32078222
Cover came first. Sora was already posting videos in late 2017 by the time JKgumi appeared in early 2018.

>>32079750
you can see Cover got four times the fund around May 2018 there, Anycolor only got big fund after their breakthrough a year later, saying Anycolor has everything is while Cover was always small is lying

>>32080235
Nobody has ever said that though
They were both small companies, then Ichikara had their big breakthrough with Live2D and raised dump trucks full of money so they could accelerate a bunch of waves out really fast
Cover got some investment for 3D/VR tech that never went anywhere, then a much bigger (but still 1/3 the size of Ichikara) funding round in 2020 after hololive exploded

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>>32075116
>Probably the biggest, cover corp was a house made of scraps
Some holofanboys who love to tell the underdog story eventhough Cover was never a small player. Sora was always one step below the heavenly king in their heyday and Cover was one of the few company has completely full 3D model which only a well off company has at that time.

>>32070303
PEKOMIKO CHADS

>>32080790
I mean those people are just as retarded as they were in 2020 so who cares, but I guess it's been repeated enough at this point to be history as far as /vt/ is concerned.

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>>32081908
why are you replying to yourself?

>>32081959
Damn you felt called out enough to play this card?

i'd love to shitpost about how cucked yaminions are but even i feel a bit bad... ya'll are promised so much but given so little

>>32069813
Nijisanji literally exists way before hololive and their first generation livers are one of the early pioneers who normalize AND popularize streaming as vtubers LMAO