/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Do you know how much backstacking there is in girls high school? Pretty sure Miko was bullied there.

they claim, at the end of the day, when you get through all the various strawmen both sides create, that they don’t think hololive is interesting enough as-is and they want to see new scenarios, which the male members offer. other fans (like me) enjoy the content we are watching and don’t want it to change in the way they do, or want interesting new content that still doesn’t have any men in it.

>>31977224
Did people just forget she flirted with a man on twitter…

>>31977224
Not people. Americans.

>>31977224
I don't care.

>>31977357
4 years ago, get better material negrosagi

>>31977341
What did ESL-kun mean by this?

>>31977444
I meant backstabbing, no idea how the fuck I typed that.

>>31977224
MY INDONESIAN FRIENDS, TIME TO POST THOSE PICTURE ABOUT MIKO COLLABING WITH MALES

The fuck are you talking about?
like 95% of the jappies havent collabed with a male outside of some old ass sponsored shit and as for ENs they go by the same logic. GFE streamers like Gura are completely isolated from males on stream.

>>31977635
HoloJP collabed with Nijimales and other corpos back in the day when they were still all under 150K subs. It was once they got big and wanted to be more idol like after Gen 3 that many of them stopped interacting with guys on stream. Aqua and Pekora even collabed with males so it's just kayfabe when they pretend to be so shy.

>>31977759
I'm not saying it is or isn't kayfabe when vtubers say they're shy, but using how they act on stream isn't a good way to determine that. Online persona ≠ offline persona.

>>31977224
Because it attract more customer than cuck content, which is something woke people find offending

>>31977357
That's not the point you retard. Why do people want to destroy hololive when a lot of holomembers themselves are happy to be a part of hololive. Why would anyone wants to destroy their happiness?

>>31977224
What >>31977427 said, many people that want homostars/male collabs don't actually care about hololive, they are generally clip watchers that found out about /vt/ from twitter and the discord's of dramafag youtube channels and loiter here while bitching about gfe and just want every female streamer to be like vshojo
You can generally tell these types of anons, they speak in twitch speak with short phrases, usually paired with a common and overused twitch meme pic as a reaction image because they are used to communicating like this with their normalfag communities

>>31977224
it's actually another kind of mental illness. All these thots and faggots that push for male collabs have attachment disorder. Disrupted development from cruel, strange or absent caregivers made them not trust their caregivers. In practical terms, they also build up a narrative about their parent to rationalize the behavior and even mirror the behavior. In this case they see good girls and want to control them and make them act like sluts, what does that tell us about the poster and their parent?

>>31977759
Anon, you do realize that hololive wasn't always an idol company?
They made the switch when nijisanji was growing much faster than they were, so cover changed the dynamic and it worked

>>31977357
No she didn't, those were just pre sankisei corporate mandated interactions.

>>31977224
The only thing I want to destroy is Miko's pussy

>>31977351
Their claims are disingenuous, westoids just hate the idea of a world in which women are not overtly whorish because it reminds them their weird lifestyle choices/multiple stds and pregnancy scares aren't the norm and they are an outlier and their dad was right.

>>31977444
He meant this
And I think it's really wholesome

>>31978423
You guys said this about all the /mag/ posting and they are still here with their own meme culture and identity and are very, very aware of the Hololive environment. Dare I say, they are more aware of it than most of (You) female only watchers.

>>31978462
It's partially this as well, I think a lot of people like affirming their beliefs that this woman is a slut/whore or that their ship is correct, but it's these exact people that tend to be the worse fans
Look at ironmouse for example, her entire community is made of up people like this, and it's made her content absolutely awful now, she's no longer a funny entertainer, she's a pity streamer that people bully other streamers to go collab with her by harrassing that other streamers chat/twitter

>>31977224
Feels like they've started to push this cgdct image even harder after Rushia got fired. It starting to sound desperate.

>>31977224
Why are you pretending that pure Japanese girls are the same as western whores? Keep your disgusting EN branch away from my pure maiden oshi

>>31977341
Backstacking is good tho

>>31978680
I watch magni and his roommate so you aren't really applying that to me, but I will say most of his memes are still twitch centric and he hasn't really generated his own identity yet.

It's the issue with twitch communities in general, twitch memes are really popular, but it makes it so you can go to any 4-5 view twitch streamer and most of their streams are exactly the same, with the same injokes as every other twitch community due to a less insular audience
Magni has yet to develop his own identity separate from twitch despite his attempts at being ironically seiso

>>31977224
>girls high
that explains why she's a lesbo

>>31978423
Exactly this. They aren't really vtuber fans, they are twitch streamers/thots fans who only want drama from fake "love" relationships, they don't care at all about vtuber culture as shown on their total disrespect with Hololive vtubers.

>>31977224

>>31977224
Miko is such a bad example for this. Miss No Males has flirted with popular males in the past and collabed with niji males when she was not big.
>https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Asakuramiko35%20mzm_kosaka&src=typed_query

I fucking hate women.

>>31977224
Women are evil, jealous goblins who wanna drag more esteemed women down.

>>31977224
because they're so unhappy that they can't stand to see other people enjoy things.

>>31977341
She destroyed it already.
>>31977357
She literally streamed with them, never mind "flirted" with them on Twitter.
She's a Nyanners-tier hypocrite panderer.
HEY GUYS LESBIANS WOWWOWWOW DO YOU LIKE AN ALL GIRLS SCHOOL WOW
Actually yeah I do, but she is still a hypocrite.

>>31978612
>wholesome
>the ninja pigeon
That faggot has been trying to ruin all the Holomens' Rust streams.

>>31977224
> "The girls on hololive refusing to collab with males are disgusting, pandering to weak men, both them and her fans are disgusting, stay on Hololive and rot forever"
- Jap, 5ch

hi antimony :)

>>31979941
Miko streamed with male streamers before hololive was turned into an idol company, they rebranded due to their numbers being worse than nijisanji
It was a correct business decision

>>31980100
That's a nipplesanji fan, eternally seething at hololives success
Think about how many of the nijifans feel that the women in their jp division have basically been abandoned

>>31980100
based

>>31977224
It's fine anon. ID and EN are side branches and are contained. JP main branch will be fine

>>31980173
And now they're throwing it all away.
>>31980100
Sounds like the seething rage of a gutter whore who's 5000% triggered at the sight of any women who behave better than her. Those types just wanna drag every other woman down to validate their own piss poor life choices.

>>31979713
I'd advice you to get better material, but I know that's too much to ask.

>>31980255
It's a minority cherry picking, you'll see it's majority actual obsessive unicorns on there

>>31978967
HOLY SEX. sauce please

>>31980358
>And now they're throwing it all away
Some of the EN girls who barely stream to CCV over 3k is not exactly throwing it away anon, no matter how much you try to shitpost

>>31977224
unless Miko's from a wealthy family (which she isn't), she probably didn't go to a gender-segregated school. 99% chance she's just lying to look more pure.

>>31980427
>moral_cacoethes
He good

>>31980363
I don't care how much hololive purity threads you make with anyone else. But if you use Miko as a bastion of purity, I will always repost this.

>>31980100
>t. Nijifag

>>31981970
NTA but purity or not Miko is genuinely hilarious and deserves an audience even if she stopped pandering tomorrow, same can't be said for a lot of the other girls

>>31981970
Just saying that there's so much better material you could be using, but you're satisfied with posting some thumbnails and a tweet as if they prove something. Nobody is taking you seriously anymore.

>>31981346
I'm astounded how much art he churns out and how he's improving his anatomy.

>>31977224
Just like Star wars
Just like Star treck
Just like LOTR
Just like Vidya
Just like Sports

>>31977224
Why do you keep making the same thread over and over again?

Some guys unironically self insert into male vtubers.
They see the streams from their POV and relate to what they go through.
Lifeless losers who watch a lot of anime like to do this alone, it's why so much anime is just wish fulfillment garbage.

Some people are just deconstructionists, they see any structure and they have to take it apart somehow. Guys watching girls with girls having fun? Nope, can't have that, it has to be ruined somehow, subverted, twisted so it becomes what it isn't.

Some people are just shippers, they want to see guys and girls interact so they can ship them together.

There's also a different type of Hololive "fan" the "new hololive fan". Fans who jumped on to Hololive when it was the only big company but they didn't actually like what Hololive represented, they never shared a passion for the idol way. So when they saw Nijisanji rise and show values that alignt more with theirs they wanted that, they wanted Hololive to become Nijisanji, but because they are already committed to Hololive they can't just switch to Nijisanji, so they want transform Hololive.
I've noticed a lot of these "new hololive fan" on some discod groups.
They were 100% Hololive in 2020 but by now they are more Nijisanji than Hololive, but they still cling on to Hololive, they want it to become Nijisanji 2.0 so they cheer at any cringe twitter interaction that reminds them of Nijisanji, they cheer at any male x female collabs and they constantly hate on Hololive's management for not letting the two branches interact.
Because that's what they want, they effectively want Hololive to merge with Nijisanji.

>>31977224
When will we get an EN Miko?

>>31985623
When the west has a cultural revolution.

>>31985623
We just need someone who is okay collabing with males suddenly do a 180 and tell everyone how she is a seiso idol and talk with man.

>>31985615
>Because that's what they want, they effectively want Hololive to merge with Nijisanji.
Just call them normalfags, that's what they are. How many of them even watch NijiJP?

>>31977224
Because idol culture is "bad" on Twitter's eyes

>>31985746
Normalfag is too vague, too generalist and all purpose.
You are right, I am talking about the vtuber requivalent of a normalfag.
But it needs a clearer identity, something more specific. Because what we are seeing is specific to Hololive's current situation. It's this specific group of people who began their journey with Hololive but Hololive was never the best place for them, Nijisanji is. But they want Hololive to morph into what suits them more.

>>31985615
>Some guys unironically self insert into male vtubers.
Said no one ever.

>Some people are just deconstructionists
Ah I see we are inventing boogiemen.

>Some people are just shippers
How is this different than folks shipping girls?

>Fans who jumped on to Hololive when it was the only big company but they didn't actually like what Hololive represented
Ah yes, because you, fan who has no idea what Hololive represents because they are a fan, not the fucking people running the company who determine what it fucking represents.

Please fuck off as hard and fast as you possibly can.

>>31980100
> 5ch schizoposts are not real opinions
- 4ch

>>31977224
I'm glad my oshi got expelled for skipping, roughhousing, and dying her hair blonde and then got sent inna woods to farm rice and pick mushrooms instead.

>>31985920
You are retarded congrats.

>>31978462
absolutely nothing. None of what you said makes any sense.

>>31978462
playing games with a man is not "acting like a slut". Therefore your whole reasoning is wrong.

>>31979713
>D: mouth drawn on top of the :) mouth

i dont even know what all girls highschool is like so i don't care

>>31978423
they will also start calling you an incelunicorngachikoivirgin word salad of canned insults without actually understanding the differences between these things the moment you tell them to fuck off.

if someone starts talking about unicorns you can pretty much safely ignore them as having no fucking idea what they're talking about. unicorns, like the actual definitive term, want the girls to be literal actual virgins, and I think most EN fans don't realistically expect that - in fact, most JP fans don't either, unicorns are ridiculed there too. gachikoi are just people who love their oshis. it is quite possible to not be a unicorn and also not want male collabs.

>>31986055
Not an argument. Kill yourself.

>>31980100
Haha Nijiseethe as usual

>>31977224
Twitter fujos hate anime women

>>31980100
japanese also literally tribalfag so hard that Hololive fans got run out of 5ch by nijis seething and raging at their success, like their boards got constantly raided and invaded and they just left for futaba. they're not really a good example to follow.

>>31977434
I heard she was pregnant because of it. Or was it from the other man? I guess she's kind of tune down her interaction because she already found her love

>>31987278
I don't argue with retards. Go back to re-ddit.

>>31987536
You have no argument you beta cuck bitch. Cry that someone was mean to you on the internet.

>>31987566
I hate having to share with site with literal zoomers.

>>31987613
I swear to god I’m going to make a chan that requires verification you remember 9/11

>>31987275
how do you propose we call you then.

>guys going full retarded schizo over a girl liking to be around girls
This board is probably the biggest example why lesbian relationships are becoming more and more common

>>31987667
russkies had some funny ones

>>31977224
international student here. Americans don't understand this since they're used to their college campus where girls having 100 bodycount is the norm. and everything Americans don't understand they want to destroy it or change it, or shame it. they're already killing their own culture because they don't know what to believe anymore, only their drunk warped idea of freedom which is being spread to other countries
t. spic

>>31977414
Best post ITT thread but Mutts won't ever admit it.

>>31987768
people who want Hololive to stick with the formula.

For all this fucking gaslighting and constant doubt and doomposting about it, HoloEN is still on top of the food chain of the EN vtubing sphere and efforts to force more and more normalfag shit like Niji's Iluna are failures. Why would you WANT HoloEN to lower itself to Niji's level? They're not as successful despite trying several times harder to claw their way up and employing every tactic in the book to numberfag and funnel viewers. Their fans are sore losers who probably don't wanna admit it (or even realize it consciously) but think they only have a chance of "winning" their childish tribal fighting if Hololive lowers itself to their level, because Niji can't upgrade itself to Holo's level.

>>31987613
I hate the fact that a little cuck bitch like you thinks he has value when he can't form a basic argument. I've been here longer than you have for sure.

Form an argument or shut the fuck up. Those are your two options.

>>31988006
Nice reddit spacing man.

>>31988246
"Waaaah he keeps being mean to me on the internet. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>31988006
Not him but your post was basically
>uhhh no you're wrong and a schizo sweetie :)
What the fuck do you want as an answer? The only thing that you could even give a decent answer to is about shipping girls being similar

>>31977224
Because they are 2 view twitch whores and fags jealous that they don't have the talent or charisma of the holos and just want to destroy what makes Hololive special by creating a mixed environment between women and men to push drama that they are fucking with each other.

Even all girls schools have the occasional mixed gender fair/dance with the nearby all boys school. Hololive being an all girls group doesn't mean they can't occasionally acknowledge or participate with Holostars

>>31988260
Meds.

>>31977224
>Why do people want to destroy this?
Cuckbeats are the most vile garbage to inhabit this earth and they don't qualify as "people" let alone "living beings". They're lower than dirt.

>>31988303
How about start with the part where you argue against the statement "Cover knows more about what they want their culture to be than you do". It's not hard.

>>31988366
Dialate snowflake.

>>31988454
Real talk man why did you have such a schizo meltdown over nothing?
Did some of it hit close to home or something or are you just trolling for the sake of it?

>>31988454
>"Cover knows more about what they want their culture to be than you do"
Check the main hololive channel and you'll exactly what covers wants their company to be seen as.
Them allowing individual talents to collab with males on their own simply means that they aren't tyrannical rulers over their talents, but it's clear what kind of atmosphere they want and what they're making if you simply watch the main channel

>>31987905
Hololive formula has always been internal Unity.
FBK puts her co workers, male or female, about all else and she gets praised for it. I am not really sure why EN gets shit on when they tried to do the same.
Honestly to me it's just bunch discord nijiniggers desperately trying to grasp anything they can.

>>31988700
Says the one having a meltdown over a streamer streaming with a male.

>>31988843
Yes, because YOU know more about Hololive than the people RUNNING THE COMPANY. Continue being delusional.

>>31989002
What meltdown?
We're talking about the direction the industry is taking like adults until you had to come in and puke your cringe all over the place.
Improve yourself.

>>31989138
Yes, clearly, because the multiple daily threads, many of which get deleted, in which people post their autistic raging about a streaming streaming with a male, is sane and rational discourse.

>Improve yourself.
Ironic as fuck, considering this is what Ame said to you fuckers who, despite her instructions, are still having autistic meltdowns over this.

Improve your bitch ass cuck incel selves.

>>31989002
>Yes, because YOU know more about Hololive than the people RUNNING THE COMPANY. Continue being delusional.
See, this is why I knew you were shitposting
What do you think Cover wants anon? Please enlighten me

>>31989212
Some people can be reasonably upset over what they see going on.
It comes suddenly and out of nowhere and they weren't expecting it to happen.
Hololive as a brand had a very specific identity "they're vtubers, but they're idols" and that carried a message: streams will be girls only.
A lot of people grew overly attached to this hobby and that company.
I think it's fair for people to be upset.
But that doesn't justify your behavior here.

>>31989212
>Ironic as fuck, considering this is what Ame said to you fuckers who, despite her instructions, are still having autistic meltdowns over this.
>Improve your bitch ass cuck incel selves.
Calm the fuck down cuckbeat. It isn't about what she said but how she said it. Your oshi is bitchy white trash mutt with anger issues. Get over it.

>>31989239
>What do you think Cover wants anon? Please enlighten me
For their talent to be successful and make them money.

>Some people can be reasonably upset over what they see going on.
There is not a single reasonable argument possible for being this upset about a single stream that involves a male. Get over yourself.

>>31977224
if we don't get safe spaces you don't either

>>31989345
Aww, he can't counter my argument, so guess it's time to pretend I'm a Mori fan. Better to namecall than actually have an argument.

>>31989345
(me) Teacuck Cuckmate... Cuckbeat just comes so naturally.

>>31989370
>we

>>31989212
>>31989388
Shut the fuck up and kill yourself, cuckbeat.

>>31989348
>For their talent to be successful and make them money.
Uh huh, which is why they had holostars as a deadend project for 2 years?
It's clear they have aspirations bigger than "just making money" or "just have succesful talents or big numbers"

>>31983112
He used to be a regular in the drawthread but he abandoned >us when he got big. I think his DMs are open if you want to request something from him though.

>>31989458
Whatever, fuck safe spaces anyway. Zoomers and their thin skins and weak egos looking for that safe space.

>>31989504
"I have no argument"

>>31989508
Do tell then, what are they trying to do? Tell me all about it.

Normalfags are the ultimate fucking cancer

HoloEN = Made for based americans and eurochads
HoloJP = Made for japs and weebs
learn the difference

>>31989615
>americans and eurochads
There's literally nothing in common with Eurochads and schoolshooters.

>>31989589
There's no point to arguing with subhuman trash. You should kill your entire family and then yourself to wipe out your garbage genepool you piece of shit. Trash like you belongs in a mass grave.

>>31989723
>There's no point to arguing with subhuman trash.
Aww, little bitch tits has no argument, so he's gone to the insult corner. Gonna cry when the stream happens? Does it make you rage? Remember what a fucking incel you are? Aww, poor fucking baby.

>>31989589
Look at the fucking main channels, both hololive and holostars. You can take your interpretation from it
What I think they want to do? An idol company / media franchise. They're doing tons of special segments giving characters to the girls, you don't exactly do A-chan's wacky scripted show just because you had free time and a dumb idea, then they use the girls to make other media like their admittedly dumb videogames and also songs.
They're doing the same with holostars except that only the idol part for now, they're still too small to make a media franchise for them.
And again, they don't care if Fubuki collabs with every star on her channel when she wants to, but they ARE building an "idol-like" image for hololive (and holostars), at least in general as shown by their channels

>>31990007
How does ANY of that run counter to this single collab?

>>31977224
>miko is not for sex she's a lesbian!
But never mind those slutty revealing outfits she has meant to seduce unicorn like us.
>Kronii can't be lesbian lesbianism isn't real! But remember guys Miko is a 100% lesbian and not for sex with males! (Anymore)

>>31977224
>people
Pretty sure the ones that want to "destroy" that are within the company itself.

>>31990184
When did I say it does retard? You were shitposting about "Cover knows what they want to do", I'm shitting on you for that statement and you couldn't even explain what you think they want
Cover has nothing to do with this collab and you were the one that made the argument in the first place, the original post simply said that new fans didn't like what hololive represent, you pretended to know what cover actually wants, I showing you what cover actually wants to be, and it ends up like the original poster said, Cover IS showing an image of "idol" company or a CGDGT show

>>31990558
I've completely lost what your point is in all this. To argue a single pedantic point? We done here? You gonna be able to let this single stream go now?

>>31990653
>shitpost like a retard
>get called a retard
>call the other a retard and ask for an argument
>gets an argument
>"Why are you arguing with me???"
I knew you were shitposting from the start but at least I expected a fun shitpost argument
Also I'm not the fucking original poster you replied to retard, didn't talking about holostars clue you in?

>>31990878
Grats on your imaginary internet argument points I guess. Let me know if and when you disagree with the statement "You all are overreacting to this, streaming with guys is not worth getting this upset over."

>>31977224
That's how normalfags operate. They get into a hobby because it's popular, complain about its culture until it's changed to their preferences, and then fuck off to the next fad;

>>31991067
>>31987613 was right holy shit, zoomers can't even stick to one shitpost in an anonymous image board

>>31991168
Kay. Again, if you have a disagreement with that statement, let me know. Have a good day now.

>>31991271
>anon who was shitposting the entire thread calling other retards and bitches changes goalposts to not seem btfo'd
OK then, I disagree. So I guess this starts all over again from this post >>31987278 next
right?

>>31991555
You want to elaborate on why you disagree there friend?

i feel like we may have women here

>>31977224
I just really really hate Unicorns and purity fags for being entitled, delusional, and behaving like complete assholes and I am very happy when they get their hearts broken and their delusions shattered.
I don't even like male collabs, but I support them out of spite for these people.

>>31992945
80% of the posts on twitter are made by 10% of the users, 2/3 of these 10% are women.

>>31993344
nice falseflag unicorn

>>31979624
>>31979713
You can't rewrite the past Miko and Subaru streamed with men, the only one who destroyed this "All girls lebso" fest was them their selves.

>>31992945
Any time you see a post calling a woman a "pick me" or advocating for whores, it is 100% a woman.

>>31977224
I'm legit impressed how many Twitter Kronies came here just to defend their cuck mentality.

>>31994134
All me. Every single post.

>>32000000