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>>31931204
thoughts on what? bending needs a coherence, and if you've ever interacted with a periscope, you'd know that the distance between the place the image comes from (outside) vs where it is being projected (to your eyes) can change the image a fair bit. teleportation is both easy enough to make coherent (you'd need to specify a region regardless) and wouldn't change the image as the ship moves away from it. also, freezing light is as impossible physically as it is completely useless for the intended purpose.
>>31931626
this is definitely easier to implement, if not for the fact that you need to get the chuubanite to them. the delivery system is the main limiting factor for this, and it would be more like having the people effected perceive frameskips because they are lagging client-side. everything would lag, and only for them. not from all angles unless all angles are affected. it would be less of an initiation ability that way. is that what he wants?

>>31932124
i think the "charm" effect is not really what i had in mind

that said i also had not teleportation in might, i did not want to make this some grand OP ability but just to give an edge to odler ships to make them more on par with newer ships.

it can ruin shots of people not used to handling this, which since we are not at constant wars is most people and even then it is harder to lead your shot if you lose the feel for the thing you are aiming for. so even repeated it at someoen who knows what it is would be annoying

also people first have to truyl figure it out, even seeing it 3-4 times does nto mean that you udnerstand what is happening, people might "THINK" that the ship is teleporting even if it is not

>>31932500
ya, as me and the other guy said, no matter how you do it, this wouldn't add any real advantage besides the surprise that came from the first use of it. ships are slow and move predictably, an after image isn't going to change anything, especially if the illusory image doesn't look like it should be stationary, revealing the illusion. if they know something is off, they could probably just pay attention to the waves, anyways, and i am pretty sure it wouldn't be too hard to figure out by the first or second time seeing it. the teleportation of light isn't as difficult or overpowered as teleporting a whole ship, so most people would assume it was a trick of the mind, which is what it is, before actual teleportation came across their mind.

I don't see /wvt/ or /vsj+/ in the hitchhiker's guide.
Is there any lore on them at all or are they repless?

>>31933035
correction, they are slower, and more predictable than land mobility relatively speaking. obviously, you can mitigate it, and good ships move faster than people on land, but on the same playing field, against a similar type of enemy, ships are less maneuverable and are restrained somewhat by the waves they sail on.

>>31933035
well i did want it to be stationary to be more in line of what it is based on but if you think this is just too worldbending to achieve then i guess that is something i have to forego

>>31933150
/vsj+/ has a rep but he is around rarely and /wvt/ is a repless nation with no lore

>>31933150
here is what is made by the current /vsj+/ rep

https://rentry.org/vshojo-general

>>31933210
what would you propose would be an appropiate time for it to be in effect for it to be useful but not overpowered and some unbeatable ability

Names of your nations beyond the thread name?
Wondering what might be a good way of coming up with an in-lore name for the nation that comprises /lig/.

>>31933242
no, i'm saying that would be impractical. it would be easier to do it from a technical perspective, like setting up a cardboard cutout of someone is easier than getting them to be there instead, but nobody is going to fall for it from a practical perspective. they know how people should move if they actually were there, likewise, ships that are completely stationary on moving water after they were moving at a certain speed that came to a full deceleration without setting down their sails just seems so uncanny to anyone viewing it, just like seeing a player's sprite suddenly stop in it's tracks when they were walking somewhere. on the sea, their sails tell you how they should be moving.
>>31933529
i don't think it will ever be overpowered, i am trying to think of a way where it won't be uselessly underpowered. there will always be things to add to the illusion to make it more convincing, but that will get exponentially more technical and difficult to implement. teleportation of light still seems like the easiest way to make the effect work at all from a technical perspective, but idk how to make it more powerful so it would actually give your ships an advantage. maybe consider making it a delayed image that is still in motion, and have it's effect be determined by both distance and time, so the further away it is, the faster it spends energy, but the duration could last for as long as there is fuel, instead of having that frame-skip effect happen on it's own.

>>31934059
well i cannot speak with how other came up with theirs but the Retro Reich is called as such because it is a Reich (a realm ruled by one entitiy, in this case it is setup to be queen onolumi) focused on retro stuff, therefore Retro Reich, simple easy and gets the point across well and people know who is talked about

but there are many ways, you could come up with something that can be shortened to the acronym of LIG for example like League (of) Independent Geniocracies

with Geniocracybeign a stateform that favours rule by creativity, innovation, intelligence and wisdom

>>31934988
>Geniocracies
>Raël

>>31934059
Other than what retroanon already said, also think about any endonyms or exonyms your nation or rather than land/area you occupy might have. The name also doesn't need to have a direct connection to your thread's name.

>>31935273
i am not saying that they all need to be some weird ufo cults

just because something is bollocks in our world does not mean it cannot be used as the base for something good in Vitubia

>>31935458
Weird UFO cult stuff is fine, it's just that's Saru's other handle so I found it funny
>>31935351
I'll keep that in mind

bump

>>31935737
kek ok that is funny in a way, yes

>>31931787
>flat earth edition
>pic is a round earth
reported the thread for misleading OP

https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#armor
Lofi's stream is good so I wrote more

>>31940013
never forgetti smol brainy

>>31931897
My proposal for the new Anya-Petra
This one is to maintain the two-continents gimmick.

bump

Gm!!!! Another day another slay!!!!

>>31945432
Good morning!

>>31942031
Warkop has Holos in it so I think it should take all of the old land. Plus, that is too far for anya-petra

>>31947143
its just a nijisanji thread that invited holos. therefore, should only be on nijicontinent.

>>31947187
Tribalchama, I am the Warkoprep. I know what I am planning to do with it if the swap is just straight up. Trust me, it would make much more sense this way. The land is shit anyways, like I wanted.

>>31947223
No it doesn't. Your opinion changes nothing about what I said. It is a NIJI thread that invited holos. Zoning wise, it needs to be solely on NIJIcontinent.

Yeah. Not replying to Tribalchama. If someone wants an explaination, the Holos in Warkop will be over in Anyaland and the rest in Petraland.

>>31947378
i am not a tribal. I understand ZONING which you DO NOT. YOU want Nijis to expand past their continent.

>>31947187
Agreed. This tribal retard makes my position look bad but I think it needs to be on the Nijicontinent because they are a nijithread at heart. Its about zoning.

>>31947535
I don't see how that's a bad thing, tribal chama

>>31947693
Bro, honest question as their rep. Have you been to Warkop? It is mostly a holoID thread if anything. I don't see how my plan for it is bad considering it changes nothing about how I plan it out. I am still going to make the thread a hell hole regardless of if it is in perfect land, or hell on earth. Having a hot desert and jungle supports this well. Is that ok for you? It's not about tribalism. It's about good lore and Ehe is right next to anyaland.

>>31947143
>>31947223
I feel like that taking both anya-petra land is just too huge for one general
In hindsight, the petra halve is still huge
Plus, aren't the Holo side of /warkop/ already covered by /mhm/, /ehe/, /risu/ and the rest?

>>31947778
I am just worried about your connection to 2434 if anything.

I disagree with warkop taking all of the Holo western half
Save some clay for future reps

>>31947911
Bro, I cannot write them out of my thread. That's not an accurate representation. It's a lot of land, that is true.But the lands aren't that habitable anyways considering
>Hot desert
>Tropical Rainforest
Think of it like Mali.
>>31947933
>Thinking I am not going to make 2434 off easy.
>>31947998
What about just some of it then?

/warkop/ was built from the remnants of NijiId right? If so it can be explained by a wave of immigration instead of a part of it being on the Holo/Northern continent. It reflects the thread's actual history.

>>31948097
Warkop is a general ID thread, Hanafag is making a good case that he will just put indies and niji on nijilands and the holos over with the holos.

>>31948043
>It's a lot of land, that is true.But the lands aren't that habitable anyways considering
Alright. But if it's too big you can trim some lands away. Inhospitable jungle and tribalism should mean it's a confederation of bickering warlords. Similar to the Tamil Kings
>>31948097
I also agree with this

>>31948171
I planned to do this man. The thread has shifted more to indies recently so I planned for extensive Indie involvement on the Nijilands par.

>>31948167
/nasfaqq/ was built by mostly immigrants from the Holocontinent. Make that a part of the thread's history. NOt only HoloID watchers moved in but also IndieID chuubas. Population movements exist. Just because it's popularly called the Niji continent dosen't mean everyone is a Niji Worshipper there. Look at /kr/.

Don't take this as anything more than a concept. The rest can be free if anons think it is too much land and want free land for nations like pagi and moona if they get a rep. If the concept is agreed on, I will make an actual proposal with this. Another option is the one others are suggesting, keeping it all in Petra which I really don't care about as I am not a tribalist over holo v niji shit. Like saw DSW (If they had a thread) wanted part of old bakatare, i see no reason why not
I also really hate the terms "Holocontinent" and Nijicontinent period. We don't call East Asia Chinaland?

>>31948489
Another option is something like this. Hanafag, are you ok with concepts like these and which do you prefer if so?

>>31948489
>We don't call East Asia Chinaland?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_cultural_sphere

But I do agree with you that the continents don't have to be called Holo or Niji or indie or whatever. It's just that because of how we zoned it, it becomes convenient to call a landmass Holo or Niji or fetish because that's where the related nations are located. Which is why the continent naming goal is still up there.

>>31948489
>>31948594
I am fine with something like this. Maybe give all of petraor leave part of it open for future nijithreads; but also keeping part of it in bakatare. Could be fun lore about how warkop used to control a lot more land but when ID3 invaded like Organic said, we got fragmented and effectively lost that area. Truth is, Warkop was never unified or about to be unified.

>>31948770
>East Asian Cultural Sphere
I am sure the Japanese would counter with their coprosperity sphere. I said china best that is what nijimales and 2434 are effectively in universe. But still, I am rather adament on getting continents named for this purpose and having them demarcated so we can avoid the tribalism with this.
Neutral-niji wont be called what Meat, the nijis or the Holo settlers call it. Something else entirely IMO.
>>31948786
Ok, you prefer the Bakatare part for the lore kino? NGL, that was something I thought was ideal myself as it could seperate the "koboniggers" from ehe~, giving the two aspects of her fanbase (well, i don't know if ehe is a chill thread or if they act just like they do in warkop). Plus i am sure it would tie into what V7 and Organic wanted in a way.

>>31914018
I was thinking it could be a could be a mixture of cultures, but that is fine too.
My idea was that perhaps the island was inhabited and deserted multiple times in its history, with each subsequent civilization building at top the ruins of the previous ones. The deeper you dig the older and more bizarre ruins you find. Also, now retroreich and the Serene Republic would be the current "civilization" on the island, meaning that in the Era After universe or some other future timeline, our ruins could be discovered by some future archaeologists

>>31914900
Kino, I like it.

>>31917090
>>31917414
>>31917803
Now its the risuner telling us its a world building thread
the end times are truly coming.
But yes, guys, please, follow the bump limit rule.

>>31918539
You may want to take a little break. A few days, thinking about something else. When the thought of writing becomes stressful is when I feel like the block becomes worse, so I recommend you avoid that pitfall.
Take a walk while listening to music, and think about things in a relaxing setting.

>>31924109
I feel you deadbeat, I also liked the slower more on-topic threads, although it may be because I'm bad at forming social connections so I cant help but feel a bit left out.
However, the new(er) guys have contributed a lot to the project, and the world feels much more alive thanks to them, even though with more life it has also become more stressful.
If it meant losing their contributions to the project, I would not want to trade them to get back the earlier more comfy threads.

>>31928352
god I fucking love /meat/ heads, one of my favorite group of posters here.

>>31931168
You know, I dont think teleportation of the photons should be the answer, I think moving or bending them works way better. Besides, photons move so fast there is no reason to use teleportation instead of just conventionally moving them there.

>>31931204
Freezing photons is a bit of a no, you could slow them down considerably though.
>>31931546
this could work

but if you want the photons trick, here is how I'd do it from the physics perspective, step by step
I do not know if this all would be possible in the magic system, or what would be needed for it to work.

>1.
The glyphs are activated, and the glyphs create a "bubble" around the ship. Part of the photons that hit the bubble get slowed down by a lot, but not entirely stopped. The photons are trapped in the bubble and move with it, and the bubble moves with the ship
>an outsider will see the ship become less saturated, and perhaps a bit transparent. (as in, seeing the scenery behind the ship, not seeing inside the ship) Probably not noticeable unless you know what you are looking for.
>those aboard the ship will see the rest of the universe behave the same way, become less saturated and so on.
>2.
After enough photons have been collected, a second set of glyphs is activated, this untethers the previous bubble from the ship and creates a new one. This new bubble is completely reflective on the inside, meaning that the photons sent off by the ship bounce inside of the bubble. On the outside the bubble is either reflective or transparent or it bends light in a way that it allows the photons coming from behind the ship to travel through and around the bubble.
The first bubble starts to decay, releasing its photons.
>an outsider will see the ship slow down, and perhaps stop. They are now only seeing the first bubble and the photons that were trapped in it being released. As time passes, the visage of the ship becomes less and less saturated and more and more transparent.
>what an outsider is seeing is a replay of of what the ship did during the "charging" period (step 1), but with the movement of the bubble.
You probably could have the bubble move on its own a bit, perhaps in a different direction than the ship was, so the mechanic could be a bit more powerful.
>those aboard the ship will see the world as if they were inside a box made of mirrors. Its completely dark unless the ship has lights.
>3.
The new bubble is destroyed, revealing the ship again.
>an outsider will see the ship appear again in a new location where it was not previously. The visage of the ship may or may not still be around.

I say no to teleportation.

Also, I miss cunt.

OHAYO VTWBG! How are all your projects coming along?

>>31949115
I would prefer to here from people like mepper, warsuner, v7bro, and organicbro to commit formally and i think this thread should take their opinions very seriously on this since i plan on working with all of them with this to some degree. Then we can work out the borders for an actual proposal

>>31949580
Nasfaqronie, do you know of the AP-Warkop swap situation? You should be involved with this IMO.

>>31949681
And I extend my offer to you to join the >Panon Generation.

>>31949681
I'm aware but I have not thought of it much. QRD? How can I help? With which one of them should we be involved?
Im sorry im still slow I havent had my coffee.

>>31949580
Good morning!
I wrote more about Palkyrie armor and martial arts!
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#martial-arts

>>31949768
Kek, I'll join even though Ive been here since the start, if only to confuse the generation tribalists

>>31949787
Ok I will give a QRD.
>Pentomo joined yesterday and wanted ICE. To not have Climate anons commit Seppuku, Warkoprep agreed to do a move with AP. (Anya posters confirmed they were ok.)
>Debate over what Warkop could have. Ranging from this.
>>31942031
>>31948489
>>31948594
>The last two are just concepts. The idea for still making it on both lands is lore and as Warkoprep said:>>31949613
Consider I respect a lot and you are in the area just as much as me, what do you think?

>>31949853
Perfect, I will read it over now as promised.
>>31949894
That's the way of thinking. The >panon generation welcomes everyone.

Ok, I will put my trip on for now. let me think of this and i will give my response. thanks for involving me. wish this happened more often kek.

Holofightz rep if you're still around and seeing this.
I'd like to include an all female architect sumo leauge to the island collesieum. It is a very important sport to our culture and beloved by all, it is sure to be a massive hit and bring in massive profits, as is the way of architecture.

>>31949853
Great work! I love how you have used the specbio in your tactics. I hope your rep comes back soon so he can also weigh in because I honestly cannot say how his army fights to know if they had direct control, nominal control (like how /haha/ claims all of /rose/ because they don't know /rose/ exists), or how much they attempted. All the weapons, martial arts and tactics seem perfect for your uses. Considering I myself made a military reforms doc that kind of did something similar https://rentry.org/k4ey9
I can certify this is 100% Kino because you aren't trying to do things inside the box. You clearly know a thing or two about this sort of thing and I hope myself and others (who probably helped more) made this possible. Can't wait till your rep weighs in on this.

I think the continent naming is overdue
I'm bringing my proposal to the table. Some names are adapted from other proposals.
You can comment if you want

>>31949580
>I miss cunt
list of things a madman would say

>>31950042
Sure thing. Thanks for involving me, hope its not an issue with the others.
I do agree with you on that "holocontinent" and "nijicontinent" are pretty terrible names, and we should get the proper names for them soon.
>>31942031
Looks pretty fine for Anya-Petra, if both agree. While the anon saying that that is a bit far for anya-petra is right, its ultimately up to them. Its not *that* far, its not unworkable.
Although, if that is seen as an issue, then the two continents gimmick can go, assuming anya-petra are fine with it.

>>31948594
I am personally a fan of this one, it looks great, more natural somehow.

Ideally, if warkop is fine, we could have some of the land freed for future threads.
In general, I think the reps should most of all discuss this between themselves, if they are able to, like /wah/ and /mans/ did.

>>31949853
I'll read this after i get back home, errands await.

>>31951019
Speaking of the devil, these look pretty OK on the surface.
Although, for Karaguya, consider "Anykagura" or "Anykaguya" as other option.
I think Ailivia has been soft-accepted as the holocontinent name already.

I think retrobro had some strong opinions about the name of his continent? We should hear him.

/mhm/'s thoughts on Warkop transfer.

1. I love the idea of Warkop owning land in former Bakatare as it fits well with the local history and gives us potential story ideas moving forward. This is my favorite part of this as it
a. It reminds me of the fall of Western Rome because the barbarians (us) conquered these lands and settled them, mixing with the locals to make our current peoples. Think of Romance languages.
b. The pure story telling and lore outcomes of this are absolutely brilliant. As PPanon pointed out, it can explain differences between ehe and koboniggers. Adds more tension to this area that I think needs it (Watamelons are nice but we need to have some petty feuds and shit)
C. I am well aquainted with Warkop as a thread and can contribute to their local lore for Kaela, Zeta and Kobo.
2. It would put all ID writers in a similar area, including V7bro, Warsuner, the Risuners, and Mepper. That is a net positive as has been shown by Nijireps and the kino they make together. Warkop lore inspired me because it made so much sense of that thread and excites me to have them as a possible neighbor.
3. If Moona, Iofi and Ollie's threads got reps, we could easily put them in old Anya territory and the rest of Bakatare; making the region complete. I love this concept on so many levels because of that.

I was told yesterday that being within a region didn't make my opinion more valuable to this thread, is that really the case here?

>>31951240
>consider "Anykagura" or "Anykaguya" as other option
I set a rule to use 4 syllables max for the names
Like how irl continent names are short

>>31951240 (me)
Sorry for possibly a very unhelpful answer to this, my train of thought is slow as honey today.

>>31951019
I would just combine the Siropa and Karaguya. Indeia I think is the term most use for both Nanashia and Libendia so let us consider that. Also think if Anya was free territory any dispute between Nijis and Holos over where the continental divide is gone.
>>31951240
I will try to make a cleaner map for option 2.
>>31951285
Thank you, and you are greatly valued here because you are the ones that are closest to this. I personally would lean in favor of what you and Hanafag want here.

Hanafag, do you want all of Petra or just part of it and leave the rest for future nijijp (kek never happening) threads.

Also, since Alice and Emma said their nation is Tsukinode and removed Anykara (which is a bastardization of Ichikara and Anycolor), I think we might want to switch to Tsukiluna or Tsukiguya. Iinchou, while not an OG in some eyes, definately changed the industry to the point that a case can be made for some combination there.

>>31951579
>Indeia I think is the term most use for both Nanashia and Libendia so let us consider that
it stemmed from the fact we have no official name for them
It's best we clamp this down before it becomes real
While it makes sense for us to call it 'Indiea' because meta
The people in-universe wouldnt. The term Indie would make no sense.

>>31951019
>>31951579
I do think Siropa actually works as its own continent. I still want the "neutral" threads to have a bit of their own identity and not be labeled under a name that does not fit them. So, either remove niji reference from the name of the entire continent, or let us have Siropa and Karaguya.
I will not be adamant on this. If the rest of the thread agrees to an option i wont liek the best, I wont start timeloops over the naming of the continents, this is just a preference I have. the names themselves arent bad, i quite like how they sound

Another small nitpick, the Infinity Island is probably better thought of as a continent on its own.

>>31952132
I am not that adamant on this either really. It's not a big deal for me at all, but rather a suggestion.
>>31951815
Now, the funny thing about this is that Indeia will still end up called that by outsiders because of funny exploration era events I can imagine as being kino.

>>31952400
Makes
Exonym and endonym

>>31931897
Here are the Warkop placement options. Choose one of the two.
Anya-Petra will be fine with their switch lands.

>>31952492
BAKA
>>31931897

>>31951815
You could work around that by giving "Indie" a separate in-universe meaning. It might be bending the suspension of disbelief a bit, but it can work.

I did the same with "Dev" for nasfaqg and kat nol, giving the word "dev" an in-universe meaning separate from what it is on ours.

and with that, i have to leave for errands.

Wish you all a productive few hours.

>>31952492
PPchama...

>>31952547
"Indeia" I think as an exonym works perfectly because most of Vshojo used to be major indies and their thread (unless they changed it) was VSJ and Friends like Snuffy and Haruka. I can see Hoshiyomi and 2434 calling it Indeia for this reason and that being the common use for most non natives. Kind of like the West Indies IRL.

>>31952544
Option 1 looks the best as in retrospect, there will likely never be a NijiJP thread that can fill empty land in Petra.

>>31931897
Oh yeah, before I go, since we have rules and need multiple suggestions.
Seconding
>>31952492
>>31952544
for vote

>>31952544
I like Option 2 because it gives my concept of that part of warkop being a regional power more than a rump state. Warkop, if I remember in how hanafag handles it, has multiple nations with their own diplomacy so Nijis and Indies (maybe some holos) could be in Petra while the WARsuners, Koboniggers and others be in that strong state next to us. I like it for lore purposes.

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Hello Organic and others! I just read it over and I fully agree with Organic and Hanabro on this. Concept sounds fucking great for stories. For me, its Option 2 for the reasons Organic stated as I loved the fragmented nature of Warkop being represented by this. Anons should remember that map borders do not mean a nation is unifed at all.>>31952544
Thirding and 2 is best option. PPsama, if you want to touch the borders more go ahead.

>>31950791
Panon!!! What do you think about my expansion yesterday on Emberian lore?????

>>31953111
I'll refine them more later, albeit I think they look just fine as I am not a fan of Nuefags approach to borders at all. If any of you want minor adjustments just tell me what to do.

>>31953263
I will get to it now. (I need the link) Opinions on the Warkop placement?
Would you be willing to consider changing the name of Selenium to something else? Dragonsister kind made the point that our names really arent the best aside from Pomerania and Syrenia.

>>31953111
hey! What's up bro? You get bonked for being too horny.

>>31953526
not much, I did a story yesterday if you want to read it. Any plans for finishing up V7? https://rentry.org/The-Grain-Tax

>>31952544
I know I don't have a vote but given I am writing for Warkop, I like option 2 the best.
t. Warsuner.

>>31950791
Thank you! It wouldn’t be possible without all of you who gave me enough ideas for me to work upon! I was unsure about Palkyries being smol people would work, but I think it worked out better than I expected after seeing how others tackle the issue in other fantasy settings! It probably also helps that the smol physique ends up justifying Palkyries preferring ambushes and other similar guerilla warfare approaches, since I feel it’s easier for me to visualise smaller fights instead of armies fighting each other
I was worried that what I wrote might end up being too stylized, since it’s probably somewhere between monhun and RWBY on the anime fight scale, but I’m happy that receptions have been positive so far! I doubt many of that would translate well into more “formal” battles so I probably have to do more reps between streams. I want to thank you for suggesting ga-pa for me to read! It’s interesting to read about it even if it might not end up working for Palkyries
I tried contacting our rep in our thread but I didn’t get an answer from them, so I’m kinda making things up based on Joseon of the time as I go. I do hope they’ll show up again soon since I have to double-check some of the Mujigae stuff I wrote. I like to think it’s at least flexible enough that at worst I would just have to replace Mujigae with a pro-Mujigae local ruler
As for your army reform, I can’t say I know a lot about it but it looks reasonable! I think the image link is broken tho

>>31953622
Sure, i'll read it. I guess I can focus on your geography and economy now.
>>31953695
Great, was waiting for your take since you are pretty much the writer for Holokop.

>>31953451
Sure!!!! I need help later with formatting!!!! https://rentry.org/8nkup
>Warkop placement
I don't mind!!! I don't have any strong opinions about it!! As long as everyone's happy!!!
>spoiler
What about Selenistic Kingdom or Dynasty!!!

Are there any charts to indicate what the variant colors on the height map mean?

>>31953782
A lot of my images are broken because I used facebook messenger to get them in the past instead of catbox kek. For battles, I can help but we need to get your rep back (I think he is on break because of the typical thread bullshit here burnt him out about him being a sockpuppet and he didn't deserve his position, etc.) I will help both of you on setting up land armies if you wish, as I think your rep likes naval stuff better. Anytime you need help on things like this or other things, i am here and will try my best; and so other other anons.
>>31953862
Think we need something that fit better. Give me some time as I am good with naming things when I give a damn kek. Syrenia was a good example of this.

>>31953862
Following up, since haha is nordic, I think we will need to think of Tribal names actually before we do the Kingdom's name itself if you get that. Sweden is the "L*nd of the Swedes" For example. I also plan on having names on the next map that aren't just me pulling off names from Norway, Sweden and Denmark that are complicated to say.

>>31949580
>photons move so fast there is no reason to use teleportation
that's not the reason to use teleportation. light travels in all directions, you would have to bend it in a contrived manner to get it to not change it's shape if it were just bending that did it. quantum teleportation is easy. it's not overpowered, i keep saying it's just light that would be transported.
>you could slow them down considerably though.
no you can't, and even if you could, it would still be too fast or too changed by the doppler effect to make an illusion. the only difference between freezing it would be that the light would be shifted by the doppler effect instead of resulting in nothingness because freezing light doesn't create an after-image.
>The glyphs are activated, and the glyphs create a "bubble" around the ship
they wouldn't create a physical bubble, only a conceptual bubble. you need a physical medium to catch the light, or else some kind of chuubanite smoke or what not to allow the bubble to actually have an influence on how things work. your counter-suggestion is so much more convoluted and technical than it needs to be, to the point that it verges on the edge of my suspension of disbelief. what is the problem with using quantum tunneling to transport light in exactly the correct spot to exactly the correct location using glyphs to define how it does that? we know both light and magic quanta follow those rules, and we can create a selection process that allows it to work the way we want it to. i can't see how your solution would work, nor why mine would be bad. please help me understand.

Ok Dragoon, Yes. The formatting needs work. I laughed when I saw the text next to the image but you use images well in all of your work, it reminds me of myself (if i only remained consisent with time periods) and it is good. My longterm suggestion once we get the new map and everything is making a main lore doc like Alice and Emma are so that we can have information handy as well as the detailed stuff linked.

>>31954117
Thanks! I’ll see if I can figure something out first before asking others to do my work if that’s fine (unless our rep comes back and want to do it before I work that out)
This might sound like a random question, but do you know what would happen if someone wearing metal armor in a cold place got splashed with a bucketful of water? I know armor is pretty good against cold weather as long as it’s padded beneath the armor, but I can’t find information on what happens if the wearer gets wet while in it. I assume being drenched will make them lose heat much faster, but I don’t know if armor is waterproof enough to make the ice bucket attack impractical. Maybe things also differ if the liquid isn’t water? Like if it’s salt water, oil, or even liquor that’s less likely to freeze in cold weather?

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>>31952544
>>/vt/thread/S26249674#p26338469
>>/vt/thread/S28989271#p29009131
I think that an option 3 should be there where /warkop/ is relocated to the Petra part of Anya-Petra instead.
The Holo-Niji or any strictly themed continent idea should probably be discarded but with the two options how Warkop ended up with land in a neighborhood that's mostly dominated by Holo-worshipping nations needs to be considered when you write its lore. But of course the ancient history of how the area was settled after the /vt/-/jp split is unclear and there is a decent amount of wiggle room. Having /warkop/ relocated to Southern part of currently Anya-Petra dosen't need any sort of border change and might present less headache for everyone. All the thread's history can rely on soft explanation rather than having its borders shift.

>>31953981
Download this
https://files.catbox.moe/z3d44f.map
Go to this site
https://azgaar.github.io/Fantasy-Map-Generator/
Load up this file

>>31955065
I don't think it would be that bad, as getting splashed with water in a cold place is generally not a good thing with or without armor. It would be uncomfortable to wear the padded cloth underneath. Suggestion. Make a deal with Alice, she produces Rubber than can unironically help you with this issue because of the water resistance.

>>31955523
Do you have the map file for the rest of the world?

>>31954117
Sure!!! I'm a bit busy right so give me a few hours!!!

>>31954302
Sure!!!! Just a warning!!! The Emberian Khanate is an unholy mixture of Mongolians and Swedes!!!

>>31954549
Panon I do everything on my phone... Also tyty!!!!
>My longterm suggestion once we get the new map and everything is making a main lore doc like Alice and Emma are so that we can have information handy as well as the detailed stuff linked.
The Emberian religion is supposed to be complicated and long enough that it needs its own page I would say!!!!!

>>31955705
Nope. The world is made up of collages of multiple submissions
But they use the same color code

>>31955559
Oh, if it works, it won’t be /vnug/ that will be needing waterproof material…

>>31955721
Do dragons have migration patterns or hunting territories?

>>31955721
>Khanate
No kek.
What I am saying is that you have links to these bigger docs in one central place with summaries.
>>31956080
Have to think Mujigae will import Rubber then kek.

>>31956520
Oh, I should note that all these fighting against Mujigae would be happening before 1044 in case that matters

>>31956206
Yeah!!! Like any predator!!! You'd be surprised how boars hunt!!!!

>>31956520
>No kek.
Wdym!! Do you mind it??

>What I am saying is that you have links to these bigger docs in one central place with summaries.
Yeah!!! I got you!!!! I just need to make a separate page for Emberian religion!!!!

>>31941184
That makes perfect sense, anon, I like how you worked in possible viking influences from the /meat/ migrants.
>>31954356
Paragraphs, don't take this the wrong way, but I do not think you understand how either quantum tunneling or quantum teleportation work. This isn't a knock against you, these are hilariously complicated and difficult concepts to grasp.
>>31949580
I do agree that this proposal is pretty convoluted and jumps the shark a couple times, mainly in how the light remains coherent while being slowed down in the bubble, and as PG says, how the bubbles affects the light without a physical medium.
I still think mirage-like refraction can do precisely what Retro would like while making the fewest compromises on either physics or the functionality that he wants to see.
>>31949853
This is awesome! This summarizes all your ideas on their combat tactics nicely, and the video links are hilarious kek. Also, "Widowmaker" is an amazing nickname for anything. Good job.
>>31953782
In the right conditions, guerilla warfare is all you need, really. I don't think your fighting style is a whole lot more anime than some typical /morig/ styles, so you're good for that in my book. Hell, shit will get really anime once /MANS/ think about combat, those guys are literal JRPG characters kek.
>>31955065
The main idea for this would be to make the target feel cold? Pure water wouldn't work very well, humans have no trouble warming up a layer of water pressed between their body and some garments, and eventually evaporating it, through physical activity. I think you'd want some kind of oil for sure, this way it doesn't evaporate. Some kind of oil with a high thermal conductivity, and a low surface tension, this way it spreads through the fabric easily and impregnates it fully. Basically you want the liquid to fill all the air bubbles that clothing creates, because this is where the thermal insulation comes from. Once the oil fills out all those gaps, the skin and the metal will basically be connected by a thermally conductive layer that should draw heat away from the body very fast, because metal has a lot of heat transfer with air.
If it's cold enough, that could be pretty problematic for soldiers, if it's below -5 or -10 deg. C.
I can't think of a material that has those properties IRL, but I don't think it's implausible. it could be an oil extracted from a local plant, or from the liver of some native monster you have, or anything else you want.

https://rentry.org/Senatus-Civitas-Zetanus
I did the economy of V7.

>>31957399
haha doesn't have the ability have culture like Mongolia because there is no real way to susitain a horse culture like that there. The closest thing we have to a Khanate is Nina's fanbase, given they actually are on steppes. Culturally, it makes no sense.

>>31958155
I actually enjoy reading about an economy that actually has major problems for once beyond "We just need to build more shit." because one of the problems I think we have in world building is the idealization of our nations into no having real flaws. Not every nation is going to have a smooth government and economy. Corruption is a problem in most states, and I think that needs to be stated more in some lore.

Does anyone have the terrain map for 3.0 in hoshiyomi?

>>31958554
Thanks bro, I made Lusitania self-sufficient as the Government sought this policy, so we didn't need to rely on foreigners for anything.

>>31958619
There it is, just need to zoom in.

>>31958693
But that doesn't include the terrain map, or at least I don't know how to do that. Also who owns those big islands in the middle of the Kizuna Ocean?

>>31957892
>I do not think you understand how either quantum tunneling or quantum teleportation work
i didn't assume i did, but i figured that similar processes could stand in for each other. having the concept of something attached to a separate location to cause the magic quanta to act in place of the light would allow it to act as though the light itself were there, so making it look like it was the proper location would be easy enough as long as you had a medium and am similar process. it could tell the light exactly where it would need to be to be correct, whereas the bubble idea i really don't think would work in the way he describes for a number of reasons. in general, i really can't see how the mirage idea would work anyway but worse than the teleportation idea. it's not about my knowledge about quantum tunneling specifically, but more as a result of epistemological rationalization, that if one thing works so too should another if they follow the same set of physical laws.

>>31958789
who and morig

>>31958898
Out of curiosity, Why Moriji? Old rep doesn't want to come back FYI.

>>31958339
You have a point!!!! But a Khanate doesn't mean a completely nomadic culture intertwined with calvary!!! It's a tribal chiefdom!!!! I only want to use it because I want mongolian surnames!!!!!

>>31958971
Because the black fleet is one of the most powerful fleets in the world, and like 2434, they need to have these kinds of Is***** Retro owns some too

>>31958155
I'll write some feedback for you later!!!! Please remind me some hours later if I forget!!!

With pataphysics the idea that chuubanite is 'using magic as a shortcut for science' sounds bizarre and novel
Usually in fiction magic bends the rules of nature or breaks it
But here magic is a catalyst.
You want to break fly for instance
Regular magic just say go for it and breaks the law of physics
Chuubanite magic take existing laws and amplify it. Like using coulomb's law to make you fly using electrostatic repulsion
It doesnt hate nature and science, it just said 'what if we go all out'

>>31959010
Part of the problem here is not the concept, but how it ties into overall things. For example, LazuLight will all be Germanic. Nenemen is a mix of Germanic with Ike and Luca, but also Japansese for most. Ethyria is Slavic sans Reimu. Rosebuds (not the Rosebutas) are Francophones. Do you see what i mean? Unless you want a conlang that make sense of someone with a Swedish firstname and a mongolian surname, I would advise against it.

>>31958971
Hoshiyomi! Good morning! Moriji and /who/ don't own those islands, this anon is either confused or possibly trying to stir trouble.
Those islands are pretty big, so I think their intended purpose is to be the home of eventual new threads. Smaller islands (such as the one East of /ggg/) may maybe be claimed by other nations.

>>31949853
I read it earlier but forgot to give any feedback.
Shields are often used alongside swords or short polearms like axes that are more controllable with one hand. If you use a shield in conjunction with a long polearm you are only limiting what you can do with it.
https://youtu.be/whoeiD7gcFM?t=687
The style of warfare and fighting would also vary over time and context. The style of combat and weapon used in a formation would differ from a loosely formed Warband.

On the armor this paper might help you: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265960807_Metal_Armor_from_St_Lawrence_Island

>new rep joins
Neat
>culture is germanic/romance

>>31959214
Pain!!!! I just wanted kino names... But ok!!! I'll change it later!!!

>>31959039
I guess that makes sense, but that also puts me a odds with Morig if they own these islands. Indeed, I think that would be considered a national security threat to us since, as I said, there can only be one large navy in the Kizuna Ocean.

>>31957892
Thank you! I think the /meat/ connection ends up being quiet interesting for the dynamics between the people and countries (even though we haven’t actually interacted with /meat/ yet) so I try to put it in wherever it makes sense
I see my stealth shilling plan is going well As for the term widowmaker, it originally stemmed from the particular location Liora told us to hit, but it happens to also be a term in forestry that fits how Palkyrie ambushers attack so that’s a happy coincidence
For the ice bucket attack, the intention’s to drench the insulating clothes between the body and armor (which seems to mostly be a mix of cotton, paper, and leather for Korean armor during that period) so that the victim will get their heat drained quickly. I got that idea from reading about the risks of polar exploration where they talked about how deadly it can be if you get caught with wet clothes without shelter. Granted, /vnug/’s nowhere near as cold as Antartica, but I think it should still work during /vnug/’s winters. If nothing else, causing discomfort and maybe numbing people’s limbs will be good enough!
Water was the easiest choice, but since this kind of attack is most effective at freezing temperature, something that’s harder to freeze like salt water and oil also comes to mind. Liquor also fits the bill and also has the advantage of being flammable (especially when soaked in cotton or paper), but that might be too low even for Palkyries. It might an effective threat tho
I can always make up material that fits the bill if needed, but I want to see if it can work without that first

>>31959346
Yeah if possible I think the ID nations can use a little more Indonesian or General Asian influence.

>>31959265
Hmm, I still would like some islands then. Maybe one of them and something closer to indeia or in the middle of the Kizuna Ocean. I am not powergaming as much as I want this for my lore with Alice to make sense.

>>31958806
Hmm okay, I think what you're describing has little to do with either teleportation or tunneling. Rather, what happens is you tell the magic quanta in a certain spot to generate a hologram of the object by emitting light in the right location, and absorb light that is emitted from the ship itself. Does that sound accurate?

>>31959498
Reine's name is French and has a french styling. Zeta has a latin name. Kaela has a slavic name. It's not entirely fair to blame the newreps for this when that's what Hololive themselves did. Some anons also do not understand Conlang.

>>31959620
Also, for NijiEN, they kind of are going with a strategy that is deeper than "Oh I am choosing these names because they are germanic or whatever."

>>31958971
Hoshiyomi, do you plan on representing your thread's anti horny post stance in-universe? I ask because I know theres at least one hoshiyomi lurking the towa thread to suisex post

>>31959498
Doesn't have to be strictly following the Chuuba's own native culture
/who/ has slavic-roman, /meat/ has norse-aztec, /2434/ is like tropical japonic or ryukyuan
If /ehe/ wants to go Toltec-Khmer go ahead that would be fine

>>31959766
Naturally. Aren't TWPI similar to use this way?

>>31959501
I don't think the thread would vote for giving you such a large island, as they're almost the same size as a whole country like /MANS/. You could try to strike a deal with /aeg/ or /vrt/ to have some kind of naval base in their nation, letting you expand your sphere of influence?

>>31959501
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those islands /OG/? Hoshiyomi rep if possible it can be a sort of joint project between us, maintained by both of our navies. A lot of other lore can probably have a bit of historical interaction written in between but I'll let you have a bit more time developing the basics first.

>>31959832
NijiJP isn't totally japanese, it's some weird development over time into "Yes we are japanese but some words have different meanings". Also, mhm explained their language influences coming from v7, which makes perfect sense give the lore of how ID3 got there.

I just realized
Where's cunt?

>>31959889
>Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those islands /OG/
I saw that idea be floated around, but I don't think it was ever decided on. I feel like /og/ should probably be a sunken island instead kek.

>>31959889
We will likely continue this friendship, as I see no reason to make you rewrite things. We actually have Latin influences in both our nations so we can tie it together somehow.
>>31959885
I am not sharing an Island with /vrt/ as there can only be one dominant naval force in the Kizuna Ocean. (Speaking in character.) ; isn't Aeg friends with 2434? That doesn't quite make sense. I don't really need a big island. I also want to know how I can have the actual terrain map for 3.0 instead of the black map..

>>31959849
Thread's freerange in terms of who can be hornyposted and there aren't horny police there. Not sure how this would translate to world building though

The anti-horny alliance will be formed, good idea. Who is invited since I know your stance on it. I cannot remember if Towa has the same stance...

>>31959515
more or less, though i figured there would be some form of transportation to make that work, hence teleportation. if that isn't what quantum tunneling is, then it's not an inherent property of light or magic quanta, but i'd have to talk with someone who knows.

>>31960216
retro played himself kek.

>>31960216
>/aeg/
Yeah, 2434 is our friend in universe against Phase. If anything, we would lease them that island we own. Once again asking this. Is the CIO being in /aeg/ fine for this thread?

>>31959315
Bardiche’s fairly short as far as pole-arm’s concerned, so maybe it’ll work? /vnug/ does have sidearms like swords as well. For Palkyries in particular, I’m thinking that soldiers and fighters are trained to use their tail as off-hand when handling long pole-arms like swordstaff
Maybe another reason for the more flourished fighting style is to accommodate the tail’s position? Granted it won’t work in formation fighting, which is something I’m still trying to figure out
Thank you for the paper though! I’ll check that out soon

>>31960313
Towa herself is very anti lewd, kenzoku will lust after pretty much anyone within her sphere of influence, I would say hoshiyomi hunted due to the anti-horny crusade would seek safety in towa but I will leave it up to the thread rep, I'm just a kenzoku who lurks here and bounces ideas sometimes

>>31960216
A topographical map hasn't been drawn for 3.0 yet, but the relief should stay mostly similar.

>>31960417
I think he thinks his navy should be the same size as alice and morig because of onobots; which i mean, whatever. Also that he is afraid Alice with her fleet would destroy him, which kek. Onobots reflect his own paranoia to be honest. Remember his fleet is somehow

**Ship-of-the-Line**
1 1st Ranks
3 2nd Ranks
9-11 3rd Ranks

**Frigates**
25-35 4th Ranks
50-70 5th Ranks

**Corvettes and Brigs**
70-90 Corvettes
50-65 Brigs

and 100 to 200 merchants.

>anti horny crusade
the fuck is this bullshit?

>>31960636
I guess suipiss.txt should be under your care since Ringo is gone.
>>31960541
I have been through the timeloops and never saw the argument of powergaming when Alice doesn't strike me as someone who actually would care that much. She is just an excited little ball of energy and cuteness, not this monster. So with that said, it really isn't an issue since you made the choice and since your thread is trash right now, makes sense in the context of what her and phase have going on. I love the story but I don't know how I would be involved. Maybe we are part of the Phase war. I will ask, as that could be a fun place for us to fight Alice and Retro; losing.

Howdy, other kenzoku here who's technically the rep/main writer. Spotted us get mentioned in archives.
>>31960313
I was planning on making it follow more along Towa's stance of being against any lewd art in her tags and it being more "underground" of anything horny related as a result like >>31960636
mentioned, but again, not sure how one would translate this especially since I've been lacking on my writing reps due to business and a general confusion on what to write.
I don't find Towa that sexy in the first place, much more cute than anything else, though I can understand why one might.

>>31960737
While I am rule of fun and have no issue with him taking this route, I must question his calculations as his warships count is off. I saw PP say 6 Indiamen per Frigate and I think he thought it was the other way around. That just sounds like a massive loss of money since there isn't even enough merchants to require that many ships, even if they are old like he says.

>>31959385
The main issue with salt water and liquor is that the body heat would quickly evaporate a lot of the liquid and make the cooling effect less effective, I think some kind of oil would work nicely (as well as also being possibly flammable).

>>31961143
I see a lot of hornyposting in the towa threads just saying.

>>31960603
As the video said, polearms other than those shaped like spears are quite heavy, and you would have very limited range of movement when using a larger shield, so you can only perform limited cuts and only thrust with your weapon. Bardiche isn't very optimised for stabbing so I think it's use with a shield would be very situational, rather as a go-to thing. It might change things if Palkaries have a lot more strength than a normal human adult but polearms still have a decent amount of flex in them. A Bardiche's weight would help with it so the end result might not matter that much in the end. So rather than using it in conjunction, have it so the shields are brought as they need to face mounted archers, since archery is pretty important in Korean martial arts iirc.
Perhaps. SchoalrGladiatoria is a great channel because he cites sources pretty regularly and has a lot of experience practicing HEMA. Though you might want to look more at other cultures instead of only relying on a European perspective.

>>31961266
At max size, he has 276 Warships to 200 merchants OOF.

>>31961143
If your government is like Towa, I would think you would fall in line with Suisei's thread then.

>>31961340
I'm not saying Kenzoku don't horny post, it's just that Towa herself is very actively against it and doing lewd things so I want to write that dynamic if I am/was gonna write anything horny.
>>31961533
Yeah, the exterior would be against horny posting and the like, but interior/underground would be a tad different.

>>31961428 (me)
I want to add to this, and I am not shipnumberfagging retro if you see this but rather trying to show something about your merchants. Alice's two trade companies have alone
>CIO: 300 Indiamen
>KAG: 150 Indiamen
Her navy is 226 ships and this doesn't account for the merchants that aren't affilated with a company, probably around 200 to 300. So in total, her merchant marine is like around 650 to 750.

>>31960641
I just really don't want to do my map again on 3.0 and would like it to get the economy done. I also think some culture comes from the map things as well.

>>31960216
I think a small island somewhere should be manageable, as /2434/ and /nasfaqg/vrt/ are seemingly being given one. Maybe the one smack-dab in the middle? I think to get an island closer to the Indie continent you might have to strike a deal with someone. Maybe /lig/ would be open to it?

>>31961931
>/lig/
I would love to but It would be hard to have a naval base right next to the Retro Reich, a hostile Power to us. This island would suffice for me.

imagine needing 200 ships instead of just...30.

>>31962121
wait why is retro your enemy? aren't both of you peaceful?

>>31962180
Because of Suityan's killer instinct. There can only be one major naval power in the Kizuna Sea. I am changing this aspect of what the original rep wanted because I think it is more fun this way.

>>31962261
What about /who/?

>>31962289
Does /who/ have a large navy like Retro? I thought they were more of a land power with a navy rather than a naval power with an army.

>>31962261
>There can only be one major naval power in the Kizuna Sea
Prepare to fight literally everyone i guess

>>31962404
OGsuner...Who else has a world fleet in that area but Retro and 2434 to a degree? This isn't the Holosea...

>>31962289
We're a small fry compared to many other navies. Subject to change but in my notes we have:
26 Frigates, 4 Ship-of-the-line, 32 sloops and brings and 36 support vessels

>>31962458
I got my seas mixed up.

>>31962498
That's not a big deal at all. If Retro just had like 16 ships of the line, 25 frigates and 40 sloops I wouldn't care.

>>31962602 (me)
Also, can we get those things you had with us in a document? Date it however far back you want for your own history and I will comply with mine. I accept your terms.

>>31962121
Based on the precedent of those other nations, I think that would be fine. The thread should vote on how to handle this process. Maybe each nation can get one tiny island somewhere?
>>31962458
Moriji as well, we do a lot of trade with /vrt/ and /vsj+/, so a chunk of our fleet is active there.

>>31959190
soft magic is versatile, hard magic is defined, our magic system exists in what i call a hard sci-fan setting. i want it to have the versatility of soft magic systems with the detail of harder ones, and i want to do it in a hard science fiction setting that is none the less capable of having elements of fantasy in it. please try to preserve that element of the magic system, both aspects of it. i think it accommodates everyone this way.

I have to admit, there is a good bit of Comedy with retro in this situation.
>Doesn't want to get BTFO'd by Alice and thinks he should have a fleet as big as hers.
>Has more warships than merchants, even after Panon told him Indiamen are fine in most circumstances he would be in.
>Onobots are a reflection of his paranoia in a way, fine justification
>Didn't take into account Hoshiyomi.
I feel bad for him but this has been amusing to me.

>>31962695
I don't think that is a problem since you are spread thinly regardless. 2434 is only a rival because Alice seemed like she needed a naval rival on the east and I would love to work with her given how much fun it seems she has and her flexibliity. Retro, though I like him personally, to our nation messes with our interests with all of those light ships that can harrass trade.

>>31962759

>>31962882
I honestly do not understand why he felt Alice would do anything to him considering they get along fine and she isn't one aside from shitposts to go Megas on people. (makes no sense from national pov aside from onobots either.)

>>31941721
Can someone explain what I'm seeing here?

>>31962682
There's actually not much in the archive in terms of lore. Just ctrl + F "Hoshiyomia" in these pages. The history is still being worked on by the rep so maybe try not putting a date on stuff just yet?
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-who-lore-main
https://rentry.org/urahp
I also included some bits about the bilateral relationship between our navies in my story but some of the details would be reworked soon. Still need to get back to that.

>>31963266
This thread's version of Japan going west for Pearl Harbor instead of going east via the Pacific, look at the orange arrow

What is this Western Horse Pact?
>>31963284
Your rep has full control over this since he made the deals in the past and I will honor them now. Dating as well. Up to him.

>>31963429 (me)
Also, we can write about the navies together soon for your stories. I am just trying to process what's going on around me and the whole map thing.

>>31963429
Basically a /vsj+/ group of allies.

>>31963429
>Western Horse Pact
/vsj+/ trying to become the United States by forming NATO in the 1750s. They have threaten /pcg/ and /2434/ multiple times already about them not being in the phase treaty and that they wanted to revise the treaty based on what /vsj+/ wanted despite not being involved.

>>31963429
>Western Horse Pact
A proposed league of sorts made by /vsj/'s rep. Technically every democracy is invited but it's still pretty underdeveloped in terms of lore and it's been a while since they appear in the thread so idk.

>>31963546
Oh the story mostly just involves an officer who was trained in Hoshiyomia instead of the Republic. Though I'm also down for a more collaborative story if you want.

>>31963098
Kek, we are spread thin. Just mentioning it so you're not caught off guard if I write about a Deadbeat-Hoshiyomi interaction in the Kizuna ocean at some point, I really want to write about Hoshiyomis once you've got your nation's basics down.

>>31963564
Ah, I see. Kson and Rumina are in it too.
>>31963690
Really? They invited /pcg/ in their founding document. Also, I don't understand how you can ask someone to renegotiate a treaty you weren't even nominally involved in. I don't think I trust them.
>>31963767
It is, would like him to return as that area needs more lore. We can do a collab in the future, maybe even Alice will want a little war involving us 3 or whatever. Could be a fun story.

>>31963875
Yeah, I am stuck right now because my mind wants to have a 3.0 map with terrain on it but that doesn't seem possible. Right now, I am just figuring out regional interests since that will matter to how our nation operations. I am very particular about things.

>>31964006
You are the Hoshiyomi rep right, My name is Sol, I don't have time to post a lot due to real life but it's a pleasure. To be honest about vsj with you, I am not sure their rep entirely knew what was going on and they probably needed some help on things like the western horse pact, 2434 and stuff. I can understand that completely, given it took me a while to figure out what to do myself.

>>31964006
>Kson and Rumina
They shouldn't be in it because they don't reps to agree. I think mousefriend knows this but just didn't change it.

>>31964099
Map anon is slowly working on the rivers right now and it should be a while before he gets to the proper elevation of the world...

>>31964269
Ah, it is nice to meet you Sol. I wanted to know if you would be alright with my involvement in the First Phase War to some degree as your ally. I know you and Alice have things wrote down but /aeg/ sort is making you rethink so I thought us being 2434 and Retros enemies getting involved Navally. We wouldn't change the outcome but I think it would make the war interesting for all of us. What do you say? I know adding more people leads to more complications but I am willing to hand over control of my end if it makes it easier.
>>31964341
Think I will just make a tempmap then.

Who needs boats when you can just defense up your shores?

>>31964099
I think the closest you can get at the moment is the old elevation map overlaid on the landmass profile of Map3.0, I put this together quickly. https://files.catbox.moe/qgrvyn.png
The current topography will be followed in the new map, so if you use this as a basis it should remain accurate to the new map, I think.

>>31964595 (me)
just to clarify, the transparent bits are where the ocean actually is.

>>31964482
So long as Miss Alice agrees, I have no issues with this. I like when things are added in layers and while I would have likely said no to you like /vsj/ in the past, I think it wouldn't hurt for us to have an ally in the war and furthermore it works out fine since we have to work with /aeg/rep too. The last point is always what concerns me but if you are willing to hand over control when you are not here, heck I think that might not be a bad idea for me if you get familiar with what I am doing, that will work fine.

>>31964582
I like boats though...
>>31964705
Ah, good. I have seen what your plan is and I do like it, but I don't know if I am able to meet what you would want out of it. I will need time to consider this idea of working on it like this.

>>31964482
Also please note that /vrt/ has pretty friendly relations with /who/. Aside from that the nation still needs to reflect the thread in terms of its behavior. Over the course of you making sense of your nation's Modus Operandi you might want to turn the aggressiveness down a couple of notches. How your thread treats things happening outside would definitely change your nation's behavior in the universe. Don't visit it very often but what's the Suzy thread's opinion on outsiders anyways?

So to just make sure that I'm getting the idea clear here: /who/, hoshiyomi and towa are planning to form an anti-horny alliance and crusade as that is part of their religious doctrine (and their oshi's wishes in the case of towa and hoshiyomi). However towa has a thriving underground horny sector (perhaps VSPO lewds were the initial spark for this?) and hoshiyomis pursued have joined this underground movement due to the persecution , again this is just me trying to get a handle on this and not setting it in stone, that's strictly up to all the participating reps if they choose to continue with this

>>31961308
I think salt water performs pretty similar to normal water, but fair points otherwise! I’ll think more about it later

>>31961394
Bardiche’s indeed used mostly for slashing since it’s pretty similar to its axe ancestors. That said, I don’t think the weight of the pole-arm itself would be a problem, since Palkyrie tail can work as an off-hand (assuming it isn’t seen as being too OP), meaning that they can both hold the pole-arm with two “hands” while still dedicating one hand to the shield. Shield’s size restricting movement is a good point though! Maybe that’s another reason they adapted heater shield after having to fight actual armies?
I still think it’s reasonable when considering Palkyries will likely angle their shield upward and slightly to the side as pretty much everything they fight will tower over them, which should allow for decent angles when it comes to cutting. I agree it’s likely situational, but probably more in terms of expected opponents - shields probably won’t be too effective against monsters due to their raw strength making blocking or parrying impractical, while they’re more useful when fighting humans in terms of blocking arrows and parrying melee attacks

>>31964842
If you don't feel like you can, you don't have too. I really don't have much truly mapped out myself. I have the principle and concept of this timeline in my head but getting it written down is a whole different matter. Some people are better at doing this, like PPanon. But I am too prone to thinking rather than doing, so there really isn't much I can tell you if you already know what the basics are. I also think the idea of the Sun (me), and the Moon (Alice) fighting with the stars (you) and the Aether (/aeg/rep) is rather poetic and beautiful in a way. Ah, that's just me thinking abstractly. Anyways, if you want to join, I am sure Miss Alice would be happy and we can work from there. I will try to check in later. Nice to meet you!

>>31965005
It's mostly a meme. I am not forming diplomatic relations aside from those in place with who and the plans I have with Alice. Retro hasn't really talked to me either.
>>31964933
I am going to tone it down, part of it was dramatic on purpose lol.
>>31965169
That metaphor is beautiful, I can relate somewhat. I like to have things in a certain order as I do them and I cannot just write without these things mapped out in my head. Nice to meet you too!

>>31965325 (me)
I think you mixed up the metaphor however,
It would be the Moon and the Aether fighting with the Sun and the Stars lol.

>>31965005
Need to write more about the culture at some point but the anti-horny in the Owl Republic would be a lot laxer compared to /towa/ and hoshiyomi. There's way less horny posting and ringo related stuff now but the horny still surfaces once in a while. We just had a couple anons posting nude edits of mooms

>>31965145
Right... actually forgot about the tail... Need more caffeine or something.
>Maybe that’s another reason they adapted heater shield after having to fight actual armies?
That's a good reason, as organized armies would likely have more missile troops so they need to bring a shield in order to advance through the field. Though the Palkayreis might also prefer partisan-like warfare to pitched battles.
But also note that due to how limbs are arranged even if Palkaryies have essentially a third arm, limited changing of handedness would also limit the stuff you can do with a polearm.

>>31965780
True! Palkyries very much prefer something more similar to guerrilla warfare than “proper battle”, which they might very well suck at due to their physiology and lack of military tradition. About the tail use, truth be told I haven’t found much information on how nimble it should be or how fantasy beings use them in martial arts. I tried to simulate it myself but it didn’t work out well either, so I guess it’s something that’s hard to imagine unless you have an actual tail
Thanks for your feedback though!

This is the map I made in 5 minutes of Hoshiyomi. These names are placeholders probably.

>>31958155
Nice lore!!! The political organization is really the SPQR's wet dream!!!!
Regarding the military, I'm not at home so I can give much feedback right now!!!
Now, for the economy!!! Much of what you said is really accurate but in a decentralized republic, I think that the government would place a special emphasis into local artisanship for trade!!! Unless you're going for a conservative society, in ancient Rome, family tradition was specifically guarded to avoid foreign "corruption"; from a cathartic "more-than-life" experience that could only be achieved in battle. Such belief cultivated into a faith of the "holiness" of the Rome, of which the world would never end as long as Rome was still standing.
From what I'm seeing, given the bureaucracy and corruption of the government, I doubt that the crop yield would be very stable over the years, due to the Republic's unwillingness to modernize.
I'll get home in a few hours and then I can give you a more thorough feedback if you want!!!!

>>31966500
>I tried to simulate it myself but it didn’t work out well either
Ah... That brings extremely funny images to my mind...
https://youtu.be/yqzVI0CSKCU
https://youtu.be/9z0tHI-4_gc
Spider monkeys and kangaroos might give you some inspiration in how bipeds can use their tails.

>>31965780
>Anti horny
At least my story about you guys was accurate. inb4 I start the SEX revolution in your thread

>>31966500
You're welcomed. Unironically, maybe you can try to make some props with cardboard boxes and pick up a broom in order to get a feel on how they would use their weapons. I've tried to swing a broom with a backward grip and using it to slash in conjunction with a shield should be doable. Also a prompt of sorts for you, maybe try to think of how Palkyries with different fighting styles modify their weapons? Monster hunters have a heavier blade head with metal reinforcements on the shaft or something.

For all you horny folks. Our chuuba is doing a live feet cam
https://youtu.be/Ej9whGpa1PU

>>31966785
>>31966936
I think the issue’s that none of them know how to use tools yet so it’s difficult to see how they can handle two-handed tools with their tail. Prop tails similarly can’t move so I had troubles mimicking possible movements (me not knowing any martial arts didn’t help either)
From what I can imagine, I think Palkyries should be able to do straight chopping and side sweep motions fine, with the biggest drawback of tail vs hand being that the tail comes out from behind, so switching the hold from one side to the other requires letting loose of the tail and turning it to the other side. Maybe that’s another reason for Palkyries’ more flourished moves? Since they can’t reposition as quickly, they instead opt for making use of the momentum to basically swirl around to reorient themselves faster
Thanks for the prompt! I’ll think more about it once I’m available!

https://rentry.org/Hoshiyomia
I was lazy with my economy, maps and some other things. I plan on doing much of this over again later because I am a perfectionist at heart. I doubt that some of these things i wrote in the economy are totally accurate either regarding food because I don't know what rivers and lakes we will have. I just want this to be a basis for the future. Everything is subject to change.

>>31967909
Sometimes, it's better to have something down rather than nothing at all. I am a firm believer in tearing things down when you want to rebuild better. It's the foundation that matters, and I think you have a good one overall. Great work, can't wait to see progress.

https://youtu.be/K-r2EetCtO0

>>31967909
With our powers combined maybe we can force mapanon to do the rivers of our corner of the world first.

>>31967909
Elective monarchies are based, good choice.

>>31968156
I agree. No lore you write should be so sacred that you are not willing to make it better. Always for the greater good of your mind and lore long term to be willing to set it on fire to burn it down to your foundation if it will result in a finer product. Not everyone needs to think twice about their lore like I do, but I prefer it this way!

>>31954356
>slowing light
You can, and they do stay coherent while doing so. Thats what happens inside glass, or inside the earth's atmosphere, for example.
The photons themselves do not lose velocity, but the lightbeam itself moves slower. Its a big simplification but it does work in principle.
The doppler effect I think should only apply inside the medium of the bubble, once the light passes to the other side of it, the photons experience the reverse of the initial shift and should return to "normal".

>bubble
which is why i specifically initially wrote the word bubble in quotation marks. The idea was some sort of a chuubanite mist or a sheet or something.

You still need some form of a bubble for the teleporting light idea, since there needs to be a layer of something with which the light can interact with which then teleports it to he set location. You really shouldnt just teleport all photonsin the ship to a new location, that would fuck a lot of things up.

Besides, the teleportation itself has to be figured out. I dont think just makign stuff appear in a new location is supported under the system, and the other option would be bending space which itself is a pretty problematic idea. I dont think quantum tunnelin gcould be used as an explanation for distances larger than an atom.

>>31957892
The idea was the bubble would be *something*, i just did not know what exactly. I thought it obvious.

but yeah, I am a bit dumb at times, please forgive. Refraction/mirage or even the lens idea would be the best ones.

That, or the hallucination idea.

>>31959190
Sort of, yeah, and that is why i really like the system.

>>31960313
Based.

>>31968432
I hope so, I hope I can get a 3.0 with terrain and rivers for us as well because, I am anal about names and maps.
>>31968469
Agreed but Monarchies are based in general! But that's another discussion.

Who here is the resident milautist or are there multiple of you? I need some inspiration I think despite being somewhat one myself. I also wouldn't mind a cultural autist either but I think I can handle it. The climate, terrain and our thread have given me what I need,when the 3.0 map comes out that is!

>>31968720
>Milautist
Panon, without a doubt, but there are others here amogus like deadbeats and hoomen. I think Alice is one to a degree as well.
>Cultural Autist
Sounds like Meatbro, but Panon, and deadbeats are also top tier on that. Depends what you want out of culture. I think for what you are, unironically panon is the man for that considering he is fasicinated by that. Our loli Emma might be another one, but I don't know her true power. Either way, Meatbro would be my recommendation.

>>31968874
Well, I was kind of hoping to read some milautism, not discuss it as much although I like to do that amongst other things. Any stories?

>>31968942
>milautism stories
read pomerlane saga i suppose.

>>31968647
I think teleportation in our setting (Like the VOMS or Takeus stuff) essentially has to be: Thing is converted to energy, energy is converted to magic quanta, quanta travels in the conceptual realm to somewhere, quanta annihilates and re-converts to mass-energy IE the Thing. Basically, the Star Trek approach.
>>31968942
Pomerlane saga is the big one, these are quite nice too:
/who/ anti-pirate action
https://rentry.org/who-naval-patrol
Marquis de Maumigny story

>>31969142 (Me)
Ah this one has some nice naval action as well:
https://rentry.org/Terror-of-the-Golden-Sea

>>31968720
>>31968874
>>31968942
Depends on how highly concentrated or how much you want. Go read Alice's 24th of August , The Deadbeat's Watermelon Sheep, Mepper's Marquis of Maumigny or the Prince of Tsushima if you don't want to spend a day reading. I love them all and think they are fantastic.
https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
https://rentry.org/morig-vs-watamelon
https://rentry.org/Maumigny
https://rentry.org/Terror-of-the-Golden-Sea


But if you do, go ahead and dip your toes into the saga. Many pictures and maps are broken, unfortunately, but its pure autism.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRbjyPu0Z3QmezZuL8jbtqRhzHz78ceQH1qlGhKfiG_V0q4R7FAN_maEIPzib4gG6D8MFQl-2R_K05y/pub

>>31968720
I think I'm a milautist!!! I enjoy writing about religion and economy a lot though!!!!

>>31969001
>>31969142
>>31969253
>opens up the google docs
>46 chapters and dozens of other things
My heavens.... I think I will read the others first but after reading the opening, now I want to read this as I feel challenged now! I will be back later today, maybe tonight depending on how into this I get.

>>31969462
As I said in my opening, good luck on your journey.

>>31969253
I'll go in as well so I know what happens when you start writing again, PP.

>>31969676
Safe travels into my autism.

GOOD MORNING!!!

>>31969986
Hey, you were mentioned earlier about lore.

>>31970049
Alright! I will do my reps on it now. I also want to discuss last night after looking over last thread at what was going on after i went to bed!!! Only after bump limit

>>31970181
Not a bad idea honestly, feel like that discussion was really resolved for anyone.

>>31969986
Good morning Alice!!!!! How are you????????

OK! So sol and suirep talked and suirep wants to have fun in the war. That is good!!! I think adding another layer will be better so long as we are all committed to it. I was hesitant on mousefriend because i didnt want phase to lose a lot of territory but with some one of phases side, the onion layers are looking better. Also will be good later on for phase revolution.

Now, past wars with who and hoshiyomi. I am fine with this if both of them are. I am like the deadbeats in that i like this kind of cooperation just as much as the friendship. Its fun so it follows my rules!! Doesnt matter if i lose or win or draw in that war. Would talk to suirep and did want to with v7 but they went off into the pit so good luck to them. I can wait

>>31970566
I am good, still not well but i am doing better. You?

>>31968647
>>31954356
>>31914900
>>31931168
>>31931546
Slowing light is just called refraction.
How about this idea for retro chuubanite, the chuubanite does not create a mirage of the ship on its own
The ship mirage function is a mechanism from the application of chuubanite.
Here is how it works, /vrt/ ships are fitted with layers of retro chuubanite alloy. The ship double/lag you are seeing is that silhouette of chuubanite refracting light to create a mirage.
So the mirage application is not chuubanite on its own. But a combination of chuubanite and engineering!
>>31968874
>>31968720
Someone wants my help?

>>31970895
Sad… we lost them to the pit of autism, the saga…

>>31970895
i've said before that i don't think the mere bending of light can do it. it has to be transported for it to retain it's coherence. nobody seems to want to address this point and i don't know why.

>>31971179
PG, mirrors and actual mirages do exactly this while retaining the light's coherence. This is the same thing.

>>31971179
Thats because bending of light can be done without it losing coherence.

>>31971179
>>31971286
Here is a helpful diagram.
In red is the bent light, the red triangle is where the boat is perceived to be, black is the boat's real position, the circles are the observer's position.

I wonder if some of the science things can be explained better by sort of telling a short tale or explanation about them. PPsenpai did this to explain whaling, the hazards of the sea and winds to pentomo yesterday and I thought it was really helpful as he made it easy to understand by allow you to picture it like a story…

>>31971179
>>31971249
>>31971286
>>31971423
But I feel that something is missing
Let's return to the origin point
The concept of 'retro'
/vrt/ chuubanite has to deal with something within the past. And said something must contain 'value'
In this context, a mirage has both inputs
The past = its previous location
Value = light/mirage
But retro is also about 'sentimentality'. About how a person values something old.
So here's my idea.
/vrt/ chuubanite has some form of cognitive dissonance.
While the ships can project a mirage in the exact location it was in the past, the mirage is not a normal one.
The dazzle and patterns of the photons are unnatural. With it, it emits an anomalous cognitive effect.
Like an octopus hypnotizing its prey or a peacock using its feathers to entrance a peahen.
This cognitive effect is the vector for the concept of 'nostalgia/feelings for the past'
And this could be used offensively.
Like a siren's call, driving those that sees the mirage into rage.
For them that nostalgia is not romanticism. It's frustration.

>>31971501 (me)
Like imagine telling about how certain types of steel are created by talking about how a blacksmith makes it and the process…

>>31971502
That sounds thematic and would improve the tactical usefulness of this, I like it.

>>31971502
So basically...
https://youtu.be/w_pJ5p8TYYs

>>31970805
I hope you recover quickly!!!! I just ate and I'm going to sleep right now!!!! After that I'm going to continue my religion page!!!!

>>31971568
>>31971501
Comfy does something similar. I agree with you as I learn things better this way. It gives you the feel so you can learn the why.

>>31971568
>>31971501
I think this is a good explaining style for a lot of things to get someone to understand something. I know Comfy likes to explain using this method as well as Panon (sometimes). Might be hard for some autists to do this properly however as its writer autists like those two that do it well. Its a good methodology for those who aren’t science autists honestly. Have seen OGsuner learn from those who use this method with him.

Well gentlemen. When i get back home from my job I feel the need to continue on that big story about risuner stuffs. The goal is to have it done by the end of the week (if i dont then whatever i guess but its a goal) anyway SEE YOU LATER FUCKERS

>>31971880
Yeah, this is a two step process. First, the autist has to figure out what the fuck is going on through autistic scientific discussions. Once this is complete, he can move on to the second step of translating the autism into something that can be absorbed by normal people by using a narrative.

>>31971946
me btw

>>31971880
I dont think you can explain science things like this because those who cannot grasp simple scientifical terms and the methodology used by scientists are not intelligent enough to comprehend such concepts in the first place.

>>31971249
not from all frames of reference.

>>31971973
Alices example using the blacksmith I think is a good example to help translate some things. But yeah, i dont think some autists will be able to meet step two because thats just how it is unfortunately sometimes for autists.

>>31972192
Also, here is another method. Keep it simple stupid. Most people dont care, for example, the aspects of artillery guns such as caliber, shot weight, etc. But if i just tell say OG, Artillery blows shit up because of xyz, he will get it.

>>31972073
I strongly disagree, you can vulgarize anything such that it can be understood by a layman, even quantum dynamics and stellar metallurgy.
>>31972116
Yes. See >>31971423 no matter it's direction, the light can be bent like this by the refraction.

>>31972401
Correct. Not everyone needs to know the exacts but rather the whys and hows of this world. Now, it is harder for some things than it is for others.

>>31972401
But then you are missing the crucial details about science and missing the overall point. Intelligence is measured by such methods and the ability to comprehend the details. If you cannot understand without vulgarization then you wont understand the greater concepts and forces at play in the scientific method of doing things

>>31972643
something something if you can't explain it simply then you don't understand it well enough

Dumb diagram explaining how Retrobro's idea should work. Not as a single chuubanite power, but chuubanite application in engineering.

>>31972643
Man, not everyone needs to know the exact details of say, being a whaler like their diet, class background, all potential things that happen on a whaliny ship, the force of the harpoon strikes the whale, etc. to understand what it was like to be a whaler.

>>31972643
I think vulgarization is precisely about getting across the greater concepts without being bogged down by details. You don't need to know computational turbulent flow dynamics to understand that turbulent flow is chaotic and hard to predict. You don't need to know how to solve Schrodinger's equation to understand that observation affects the result in quantic measurements. You don't need to know nuclear physics in depth to understand uranium decays to a lighter element because of its unstability.
>>31972785
>Moby dickfags is shambles

>>31972869
Moby Dick be hunting Chloefags in /vt/

>>31971502
no. no unexplainable incoherent magical effects. as much as others claim otherwise, our system is not handwavy or nebulous, and i'd like to keep it that way. you guys don't seem to understand, you need to communicate it to the magic system for it to have an effect, and it needs to communicate it's effect into a physical effect. the only way to interact at all between the physical and the conceptual is through chuubanite. i will not allow completely non-local, inexplainable phenomenon to be handwaved into the system like this, otherwise it completely defeats the point of having it partially be a hard science fiction system. then it would be reduced to a soft non-scifi fantasy setting where everything works off of the power of bullshit and poor worldbuilding. you can find a thematic connection between retro chuubanite and time travel, that doesn't mean you can pull time out of a hat without needing to define what such an interaction even means, let alone explain how it would work from a physical perspective.
>>31972401
the ship moves away from the area that it's light is reflecting from, the reference point is shifting, and you need to reflect the accurate image in all directions simultaneously. doing this with mere bending light seems impossible to me, but if it were possible, show me a real life equivalent of it. the only thing i can think of that is even related is quantum invisibility, but that is nowhere near as impossibly complex as what you would have to be able to do for this to work.

>>31972742
you can explain it simply, but if they cannot grasp the details, they lack the intelligence to understand science and math. Its not the math and science teachers faults that the kids after 10 years cannot do algebra
>>31972785
Your right, but for the wrong reasons because in that field the details rarely matter. And whaling isn’t something done anymore to matter now. Its anarchronistic to care about how a 19th century harpoon works. Furthermore, all of that other stuff doesnt matter as it isn’t scientific.

>>31972936
But I never brought up anything related to time travel?

>>31972869
I love moby dick but I dont need to explain most shit to someone who doesnt even know what it is like to be at sea like that.
>>31972953
>if i dont think its worthwhile, its different

>>31972775
I think that would work too, could even have both the mirage and the cognitive effect. That decision is up to retrobro.
>>31972936
>the ship moves away from the area that it's light is reflecting from, the reference point is shifting, and you need to reflect the accurate image in all directions simultaneously. doing this with mere bending light seems impossible to me, but if it were possible, show me a real life equivalent of it. the only thing i can think of that is even related is quantum invisibility, but that is nowhere near as impossibly complex as what you would have to be able to do for this to work.
Anon, it seems impossible to you because I don't think you have grasped the mechanism yet. The real life equivalent is mirages, they do exactly this; bend light to represent a misleading representation while maintaining the coherency of the image. Look at >>31971423 and tell me which part seems impossible, and I'll try to explain it better.

>>31973077
Still doesnt change the facts i stated. Who is going to use a 19th century harpoon?

>>31973161
Me. I'll use my 19th century harpoon on your mum rumao

>>31973161
How many people need to know how the details of Quantum Physics?

I just want to tame falcons, tie mini rockets on them, and call them bootleg predator drones
Is that too much to ask?

>>31972643
>>31972742
>>31972785
Strangely, I find myself agreeing with all of these.
If someone can't explain something in relation to physical laws then usually that's an indication that said person didn't understand or consider those laws and needs to contemplate their concept more. At the same time, explaining complex ideas simply isn't a concrete indication that those ideas are simple or wrong, just that the one explaining them doesn't have the verbal lexicon to explain it.
You can try to write a sailor's novel but it'll be pretty shit if you don't know the general slang of a ship.

>>31973218
Yes. How do you tell them where and what to aim at and how would you fire the payload?

>>31973211
People that actually matter for the progress of our species.

>>31973278
Just train them, like those dogs trained to hide under russian tanks with grenades.
Hopefully with similar hilarious results, kek.

>>31973278
>>31973330
This
and also chuubanite duh

>>31973330
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1kgrPBMJzM

>>31973218
You know this would work in the time period
Gunpowder rockets exist in China
Imagine if some mongol motherfucker thought it was funny to have a falcon carry a rocket
And now we have the entire horde deploying the equivalent of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ababil_(religious)

Am I missing the context of Moby Dick in this argument cause Moby Dick has a shit ton of chapters dedicated to monotonous listing off of sailor terms, whale species, and processes involved and it's widely considered one of the best stories of all time.

>>31973226
How does this pertain to explain in laymans terms. You can know the slang of the ship, just tell the person you are explaining what it means. This isnt that complicated. Also, one of the purposes of explaining in laymens terms is to allow the person to dive deep if they choose. I can explain things like measuring depth by sounding, how to use a sextant, and what the terms starboard and port mean easily but I dont need to tell someone “Well, you have the sails at a this precise angle during the specific weather event” to get the gist of sailing across.

>Renaissance drone warfare

>>31973545
>Panon is into sounding
I knew it...

>>31973578
>instead of a rod it's alice's entire arm

>>31971501
>>31971568
Could work on some, but for high information density discussion (like what the chuubanite discusiion is most of the time), that does not work.
However, once the discussions are done, the results could be written into story form.
or, precisely what >>31971973 said.
>>31971880
>>31972192
I like to think I could do it, but I'm not good at writing on the fly, and I dont write fast, so I might not be optimal for this.

>>31972073
>>31972643
I think its the other way. If you cannot explain a complex subject to a retard in a way that they understand at least some of it, then it is *you* who does not understand the topic well enough, or at the very least, you are not intelligent enough to be a teacher. I think the ability to convey information appropriately to others is an aspect of intelligence in itself.

>>31973487
I explained to a Pentomo yesterday what it was like to be a whaler in two paragraphs that made her understanding a lot about the life, its hazards and even the powerful winds and waves of the place she will write at. Thats why.

>>31973662
I think you need the basics of Chuubanite before getting in deeper honestly.

>>31973765
Oh definitely. And the deep dive into Quantum Concept Dynamics is not really necessary for most cases, but it would probably help people if they wanted to come up with their own explanations.

Which is why the rentry in the chuubanite anchor is formatted the way it is, starting off simple and slowly going deeper.

>>31973559
maybe Dragoon would like that?
Dragoonbro, do tame any small dragons in /haha/? Just the same size as Ember?
Tie rockets to them, have them ignite the rockets with their breath, bam!
Drone warfare!

>>31973545
Oh I'm assuming that some of the information is lost in he process of being in layman, I think it'd be well and good if most things related to chuubanite and magic quanta weren't presented as simplistic or layman at introduction, even if they had the same amount of info, but were explained immediately after in a less complicated way since that's how you get things like OG's gem timeloops.

>>31973910
I’d rather we not do that for the sake of my story milautism. But fucking go ahead desu.

>>31973992
>he doesnt have anti-air for dealing with dragons
Bro just throw chain shots at em

>>31973972
Well, i cannot measure that properly myself given my poor abilities with chuubanite, but I always try to make sure i can at least cover all things important when i can. Like I can clarify for example how a cannonball killed a person from x range but i dont need to tell it in the moment.

>>31974053
>he doesnt realize i have all the abilities to grasp this but rather i would like to keep it from my story to avoid plotholes
Thats why honestly

Ok!!! Listen!!! Last night, an anon made a point that made me feel bad that I am ruining his experience. I think most of you know but basically, it has to do with PPsenpais ego (in traditonal sense) clout have you and its dynamics on the thread. I also feel myself I am part of this given my own reputation. Please, if you have an issue lets talk about it because i would hate to ruin your fun because people ignore you and look to me!!! I love you all!!!

What’s going on?

>>31974404
This was the post and it makes me sad… i am sorry…

>>31974470
Unsure, was having a constructive conversation about chuubanite complexity and then the women interrupted our scholarly banter.

>>31974470
we discussing retro chuubanite

>>31974470
Talking about life at sea.

>>31973091
>bend light to represent a misleading representation while maintaining the coherency of the image.
mirages are incredibly simplistic natural phenomena, and don't let you see something from all angles as if it were somewhere else. you guys aren't understanding my concerns. i am saying a mirage will not make something that is actually at x appear at y from every perspective in every direction at the same time and to the same extent. bend all light going off the ship from all directions, shift it to a new location, and then precisely aim it in the right directions, including in the direction towards the ship, where it has to bend around the ship and still reach the other side without being obstructed, btw, it will be bent back, forth, and then back again that way, first from going away from the boat, then towards and past the boat, then back towards where it came from in the same direction, and then it would carefully dodge the ship to get to the other side. this is all done by a simple mirage? how?) you are not just bending light, you are implying the finest, most precise application of light bending without being able to explain how precisely you are able to achieve it. chuubanite has limits in that it can't use a non-sequitor method to achieve a goal. it has to be done in a way that is actually physically possible.
>both the mirage and the cognitive effect
and again, you need physical connection to their brains to be able to affect their cognition. chuubanite cannot emit a ray of nonsense physics were everything within an arbitrary measurement of an arbitrary condition has a truly arbitrary effect as long as it is vaguely thematic, whether or not chuubanite exists within a five-mile radius of the ends of the region it effects. there is a mechanism that chuubanite operates off of, and a method to communicate precisely what you want it to do, and you are completely disregarding it by allowing this specific interaction to work without properly defining how. that is what i am concerned about.

>>31974496
I see where this anon is coming from but I do not see the real issue here, beyond the anonymity being lost.

>>31974540
Hey!!! I was involved too!!!! Baka

>>31974540
The audacity of women, how uncouth truly!
>>31974545
Oh that sounds rather fun, how is that going? Any neat ideas?
>>31974567
The only knowledge I have about life at sea is a Billy Joel song I used to be a big fan of. But I’m sure it’s an enjoyable yet difficult time.

>>31974725
retrobro had an idea for his chuubanite where it would cause a sort of "frame skip" effect. >>31914900
then we sank into chuubanite autism andare currently discussing how light bends and how mirages work

>>31974496
>>31974404
Shit hits different now, was too tired but now i feel like shit over this that I ruined someones experience that much. But how i feel doesnt matter here, would rather figure out others opinions

Both of you can fuck off, you know what you did wrong so shut up. You sound like Cunt.

Please go on with your conversation!!! I ruined it, didnt i. I just didnt… idk…

>>31974496
>>31974845
Hm… I understand the point that anon is making. It’s sort of true, unfortunately. Panon, whether intentionally or not, has positioned himself as a sort of “thread celebrity”. While many of us are identifiable, Panon sticks out the most by constantly interacting with others and influencing what they do or don’t do. The man also seems to never rest, I hardly see hours when he is not around. It’s not hard to see why someone would be off put by this, especially considering the frequent remarks about his attractiveness and the jokes about a “harem”. It’s a very high level of ego overall. I truly just do my best to tune it all out, which is partially why I don’t talk to other Nijis as much, but I understand not wanting to interact at all. That is just my two cents however, I do not hold any grudges nor negative feelings overall towards any rep.
>>31974828
Oh fascinating! Although the technicalities will likely be lost on me, the concept itself sounds very enjoyable to mull over.

>>31963429
Alright, I can work with that. Do remember to mention anything that you may wish to include in our diplomatic relationship
>>31965005
We can't exactly enforce any type of religious discrimination due to how we've structured our religious institutions unless it's with strong cultural norms, which I guess already happens.
>>31967909
Oh, this is just me and remembering old rrats, but consider a little more slavic influence into the names from that whole thing about Suisei being descended from Russian royalty. I do see you've implemented it in the Grand Principality, I like how it all fits.

>>31975159
Would have prefered if you had told ne this a long time ago, but thanks nonetheless.
>he is always on.
I am constantly trying to get a job but i cannot. I am sorry that i dont have much to do.

>>31974655
idk, I think there's a beauty to seeing something impressive shape up being made from people who are Anonymous. As an example, /who/'s lore is massive and very well made, but could you name a single hooman, let alone how many there might be?

>>31975312
No no, believe me I don’t find it to be an issue with you. Rather it is on myself for not being able to handle it despite my own experiences. And I was by no means trying to make a jab at you for your activity, if anything it was meant to be a compliment as I’m incapable of doing such a thing myself. If it was a problem for me that I thought stemmed from you, I absolutely would have communicated with you about it. I think of you like a good friend.

i already lowered the number of my navy yesterday in my rentry and said as much in here so if you wanna have a giggle about the numbers i posted for feedback that were bigger than feel free to. tho thanks for pointing out that appearintly i way lowballed the merchant ships i should have


>>31972775
i had planned to have it "built" into the ship anyway so this is pretty much in line what i had in mind anyway.
i am however a bit lost at where exactly the talk about this ability is right now

>>31949580
the issue i see with your multiple civilizations stacked approach is that the world is not eons old, to have a society form and crumble it takes some time and with roughly 1200 years i don't see this happenign with several ones one after the other.

>>31975159
There is a lot of irony hearing the come from you, a man who is constantly ERPing with OGsuner who talks about how much he wants to fuck you and vise versa; and a man who has bragged about fucking housewives, and how sexy his voice is. That this man, is criticize panon on the same shit he does and has done before he came. And that you admit you do not interact with Nijis because of all of this makes you look more like a bitter asshole than the supposed shy guy you claim to be. I had a lost of a lot of respect for you knowing that you are such a hypocrite and petty bitter ass that you feel this way about someone who always has something nice to say about you, who says he respects you a lot, and has always tried to he understanding of you. Yet you couldnt extend that respect back to him. I am not even a huge fan of panon, he is an ass sometimes but i respect him for being open about his faults and wanting to improve? When do you do this? Anytime Ogsuner is here or now Kindred, you turn into a horndog.

>>31975667
Oh stop it. He is fine.
>>31975463
I dont take offense to things that people genuinely feel. I am only sad it made you interact with nijis less rather than anything that could have been considered offensive by some.

Is someone not allowed to state their feelings!!! Dont be so rude to Rosesenpai!!!

>>31975748
>>31975862
Funny how you to had no issues throwing Cunt undrr the bus when he wasnt here. Cowards.

Rosebud never said panon himself is the one who talks in vanity about himself, nor did he say it put him off. Stop twist his words.

>>31975933
Soap Opera schizo, i am unamused.

>>31975667
I apologize if I seem rude, but I did just admit that I am aware it is hypocritical of me and I’m actively taking steps to better myself. While I understand your thoughts and respect if you have a worse opinion of me now, it would be nice if you attempted to perhaps understand more about the overall situation rather than make hasty generalizations. Again, I apologize. Despite all of my faults, all I really want to do is be everyone’s friend and write some decent worldbuilding.
>>31975748
I understand that. Truth be told though, it was more a factor of me not paying attention and not realizing the consequences of me not being forward enough during those early stages of development. I had unintentionally locked myself out, it has been a difficult time trying to work with myself but I promise I will do better.

>>31976043
*work on myself

>>31976043
I didn't think you were refering to yourself, your actions but rather perception this whole time. I don't know why that gave anyone the thought otherwise since I know what I do and what I don't do. You never said I "Constantly praise myself or whatever". You never said "I have no respect for him." You never said most of these things. What you said is true, but it doesn't mean I am doing it as much as that is the perception. My goodness. you are fine.

>>31964482
ohh how would you feel about this war meanign for the two of us to spark some naval conflict between the two of us in the kizuna ocean that goes on for like decade or maybe even a bit longer and then for example a huge wave of schizo pirates raiding the ocean(maybe triggered due to rushia yab for example), forcing us to band together to fight this common threat and from having to work together we learn that we don't really hate each other that much and have that be the start of peace between us?

What the fuck happened? I read for two hours and this thread goes to hell?

Anyways,
Alice, Deadbeat, Mepper and KR?; fantastic work on all of your things! I love every word you put into them and they were immersive. I wish i could give better feedback but I spend the last hours and a half reading 46 chapters from a madlad. PP, I also wish I could give you better feedback from earlier chapters which were not that great, you said as much, but I was gripped once I got to act two and I felt like I was reading something from Herodotus at some points. I love your characters. I love the way you tell this story from perspective of bias but also give insights on characters subtly, like Quedlingburg's conversation with Pomerlane and his son getting killed next to him; Furthermore, your care with the maps and situational guides was phenomenal. I felt in the battles myself. I felt the passion of Pomerlane when he hit his wife. I felt the anger of Magnus at his subordinates cocking it up. I felt the control craziness of Kieselbach and the courage of Pomulius standing in front of a hail of fire and not flinching. Probably my favorite thing I have read in my several years on this site. I think it would be a good book if you spent more time on it and published it, honestly. I kneel and I applaud you. I am sorry if I am coming off strong considering I see a conversation about how much power and ego you have, but you deserve praise!

>>31976538
Let me take some time to think this over my friend, my brain is kind of maxed out after reading that saga.

>>31976695
These are probably the kindest words I could ever recieve on my saga, because to be compared to the father of history himself and to see someone enjoy my saga that much touches me personally. When I write this, I write it for the enjoyment of others and to tell an interesting story. Not everyone thinks the way you do, and that is fine by me. Considering I think I can do a lot better in the Saga in general; to hear such wonderful and thoughtful praise of it. I cannot express how thankful I am for this. Thank you, I feel honored by your words!

I think most ego/tripfag/celebrity statuses could be fixed by just making an effort to not reveal yourself as a rep or notable person unless the specific interaction demands it. This, at most, requires a minimum amount of self control and awareness of not including a trip or making yourself known as a specific poster but will do wonders for our reputation and in thread dialouge, I think its a reasonable suggestion

>>31976768
sure i am not running away

>Panon joins
>schizos dont care
>Panon starts giving opinions and critiques
>schizos gave him attention
>Panon gets symphatizers
>schizos start falseflagging as him
>Panon takes a trip to avoid falseflaggers
>schizos mad about trip and namefagging
You idiots do this to him. You made yourself a self-fulfilling prophecy!
If you wanted this to stop, then you shouldnt have done it 2 months ago
Panon never wanted to be a celebrity, he just wanted to write military stories
But you idiots kept attacking his stories and every interaction he did
When he take up a trip to avoid that, you idiots accuse tripfagging of destroying the general
You shot yourselves in the foot, you created the monster
So shut the fuck up!

>>31977029
New honored bread.

>>31975588
With multiple civilizations stacked, we could have at least 3 I think. The main reason I like it is that it gives us a bit more creative freedom.

>>31976965
Founder makes this quite clear.>>31977265 And I will add this. I know it's him because it's obvious who he is 90% of the time. The problem is that it is easy to falseflag as him otherwise. Unless you propose a method that will somehow make him less obvious, you are not doing anything reasonable and just fucking people like OGsuner and Panon over.

>>31976922
You are welcome and the praise is deserved. I am sorry if this brings antis to you.

>>31977265
Founderkun...

>>31977265
Problem is his fanclub, like alice and the girls and other newfags. Panon isnt the actual problem most of the time, but he sure doesn't mind the attention.

>>31976965
thats what I do most of the time, i only avatarfag when doing a very high effort post or replying to things where identity is needed and is not contextually obvious.