/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31717730
What you mean by "that"?
Was she lazy bitch that gave up? Yes.
Did she kill anyone? No.

>>31717730
She threw an opportunity away that someone else could have appreciated more. So yes, fuck her. I don't buy the back hort excuse. Gacha money is more important apparently.

>>31717930
Basically this. Tens of thousands applied and got rejected for a nepotism hire who did fuckall with it and decided it wasn't worth the hassle. What a waste.

>>31717730
Who knows? She didn't give a fuck. Why do you?

>>31718067
>>31717930
These. She made Hololive worse by existing and made vtubing worse by proving that, yes, there are very much free rides. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if EN as a whole losing morale wasn't in part due to her getting away with it for so fucking long.

>>31717730
She applied for something that she didn't have the determination to see through

Damn shame a bunch of unfortunate shit had to prevent her from continuing VTubing. I loved her voice and personality. My fav member of Council too.
This beautiful sheila will forever live on in our hearts.
God speed, Beeg Space Aussie.

>>31718250
kys

the number of "sanalites" quintupled overnight when she announced she was graduating. it's very annoying how people pretend they actually liked her or watched her in any regular capacity. it's very womanly behavior, to pretend you're emotionally invested in something just because you want an excuse to be sad. also, the only reason why she quit was that she couldn't just do nothing but play genshin impact and pokemon on stream.

She did the most based thing possible and I respect it.

>>31717930
>>31718067
Do the people who feel this way actually watch anyone in Council or even Myth/IRyS? I get the feeling that they don't and just use this as a point because it tries to make a moral argument that Sana intentionally denied someone else an opportunity when that clearly isn't the case.

>>31718250
Same, she brought the Australian shitposter energy that Bae lacks

>>31718531
Those are women who are seething Sana stole "their slot"

>>31717930
>>31718067
tits or gtfo

>>31718427
Reminds me of Nijisanji India

>>31717730
Yes. She took a once in a lifetime opportunity and wasted it. Imagine if someone who actually cared and was passionate had gotten her spot instead.
Not to mention how she wasted that sex design. I feel so fucking bad for Pako papa. He put his heart into it and really cared, but Sana just spat on him. Fuck her.

>>31718427
all her streams must have only appeared to true fans with the amount of sanalites who popped into existence

>>31718250
Based. Everyone hated Sana for her weird humor and personality but she was the only Council that wasn't a normalfag. None of you can deny that. She played into her character and lore A LOT without irony, not because she wasn't interesting, it's because she's autistic about things like that (because of her job) and didn't find it embarrasing. The cunt didn't stream for whatever reason but she was a good vtuber that played into her character. Why be a vtuber if you're going to be yourself constantly? If you want normalfag EN thots watch the 3D whores on Twitch.

The anniversary stream Council did was so bland without Sana's unhinged personality because her weirdness opened everyone up and showed it's okay to just be yourself. The only thing I truly hated about her was the lack of communication. I can't justify that considering her rm activity at the time.

>>31718250
Being lazy isn't "a bunch of unfortunate shit".

She was a lazy, lying whore who only got through thanks to nepotism and basically wasted a council spot. Not to mention milking her fans for graduation superchats and then telling them to fuck off not even a week later.

In short: yes, she was that bad, and I fear the kind of precedence she might set for future HoloEN applicants

>>31718140
>there are very much free rides

and people here think connor was wrong

>>31718531
Sapling here. Yesterday during Faunas debut watchalong, the mood got soured every single time Sana was brought up, either from people who showered her in the most blatant false positivity or people that just flat out didn’t wanna remember her. Of course Fauna is too sweet to say anything about this, but it was pretty noticeable

>>31718735
I was waiting for her to get a casual outfit like this

>>31717730
If she kept streaming consistently, then no.
As it is, yes, she's a quitter that justified everything Conner said. The donations whenever council says "she's not alone" is the most significant positive contribution she's had to the company.
You know I'm legitimately furious that IRyS had some cool unofficial fairy-based mascots and along come AHEEEHEEE wanker and draws her two generic cats (shamelessly ripped off from Espurr from Pokemon) and THAT is the mascot for IRyS? As if she wasn't already raped 6 days from sunday with awful design choices?
She embodies all the wrong outcomes of pity and goodwill, why understanding and forgiveness needs to be tempered rather than freely given.

>>31719004
People seethe about Connor for overblown but very understandable reasons since he represents everything wrong with normalfaggot takes on anime, but he was 1000% on point with that one.

Everyone past Holofantasy got where they are on brand.

>>31719244
Muh fucking dick, this is a nice image.

>>31718662
I refuse to believe that there are actually a significant number of talented girls here who think they could have thrived in that slot.

>>31719004
If anyone other than Connor said the same thing nobody would have disagreed.
Being more successful due to the brand is the entire point, if joining a corporation didn't give you a boost there'd be no reason to not stay an indie.

>>31720136
they don't have to be talented to get uppity, remember the holo audition tape?

>>31717730
Honestly? The raw Sana, as an entertainer, was good.
She tainted her reputation a lot with absences and lies, but she was a genuinely good entertainer who had a really comfy and humorist atmosphere.
You could consider her as a mix between Nene and Watame.
It's just a pity that she didn't put enough effort. Perhaps she didn't know her own potential or did but preferred a comfy life of drawing chink gacha character instead of streaming. She was my favorite in EN and now there is nobody who I feel like watching in this branch.
Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjMU6lNTyvA

>>31720136
Here? No. Out there in general? Yes.
You really only need to be decent and stream to do better than her. There's thousands of decent 2 and 3views out there.

>>31718662
>Those are women who are seething Sana stole "their slot"
Rightfully so. You could've put a mediocre shitter in there and still had the better outcome of Council not being marred by a premature graduation. The gen's brand as a whole would've benefitted, not just the shitter. Now they're COPE, which is a memetic nod to what they have to do Post-Sana.

It's even worse since everyone knows this could've been avoided had Sana actually been required to, you know, do consistent independent streaming first to get a feel for and see if she even liked the true content mill grindset. This is why the ability to do the job matters more than numbers and nepotism, because ultimately doing the job is what they're there for.

>>31718250
>>31718538
>>31718800
>>31720905
Yeah, you guys really knows.
I both loved and hated that autistic aussie. Truly a pity...

>>31720971
>>31721004
>decent/mediocre
you overestimate the quality of the average 2view or yourself, especially the type that openly shits up a rwandan dogfighting forum because an actual top tier entertainer got a string of bad luck and couldn't keep up through no fault of her own

>>31717730
She barelly streamed so I coldn't tell if she was bad or not, its a miracle how her back hort healed the last week tho

>>31717730
You tell me nijisister

>>31722351
You can be a holobrony and still shit on Sana (and rightfully so)
t. Sapbeat

>>31719244
seggs

>>31717730
she is really bad that her dog died and then decides not to stream to fuck shit everyone up

>>31721932
Again. I mean in general. Not /here/.

>>31718538
>she brought the Australian shitposter energy
Except she didn't
She was plain and boring has fuck, never developed anything except her obsession with bread for her lack of streams

>>31722464
>deadbeat
>is also a nijinigger
Shocking

>>31717930
Kill yourself, Pippa

>>31717730
the worst holo

>>31717730
she was good
it didn't work out
antis happy

>>31718800
based take

>>31725586
pretty much the real jist of it

>>31717730
sadly yes, and I tried to get into her at the start I gave it an honest try

Another sapling here. Hate the fact that Council fawns over constantly, she doesn't deserve it.

My perception of Ina also got considerably damaged because of Sana, and as a former takodachi I'm pretty sure she's gonna go the Sana route sooner or later.

>>31717730
She was a wasted slot. I look at all the small indie EN vtubers that stream regularly to 80 people or less. Literally anyone of them would have been a better fit, because they actually have passion for streaming.

>>31717730
She was mediocre, but she did not deserve the hate. THe only people that deserve the hate is recruitment staff that got us council. They clearly are not the same people that hired Myth and Tempus

>>31717730
At first I thought she was okay, but her recent roommate bitchy tweets tells me otherwise. Just block the haters and move on, dumb cunt

>>31717730
Unironically yes

Never watched her because her model was so off-putting. Don't even know what she sounds like. Damn shame, too, because pako designing a vtuber was a dream come true for me until I saw the end result.

>>31717730
If the rrats she left vtubing for an art job are true, I'm afraid she backed the wrong horse. Techbros are developing AI that will replace art jobs within five years time, if even that.
>pic related was made by an AI

>>31719004
Connor was 100% right anyone who thought he wasn't is retarded.
Talentless hacks get in positions and are inflated by their roles.
Case in point, look at Zendaya, who sniped a talented no-name actor out of the Euphoria role, and the lead director literally said, "This new girl was perfect for the role, and struggled like the main character did. But Zendaya is a household name so we hired her instead".

Happens all the fucking time and it's even worse in vtubing, because retards get in, steal spots from people who would relish and try their hardest everytime, and then do jackshit and be boring but STILL get 10k+ a stream because they're carried by the branding.

>>31726828
>hey AI, please create a box art for my game, it needs to have the spaceships you fly ingame in the background with some of the in-game weapons and mechanics included for flavor and in the foreground the face of the main character partially obscured by a helmet, and the face needs to not be uncanny valley.
until it can comply with the above it's only useful for regurgitating ""concept art"" and sparking discussions on whether thought-machines constitute copyright infringement or not

>>31725586
Are anti's really happy?
They can't stop seething about her and she's not even a holo anymore.

>>31717930
>"she threw an opportunity away that someone else could have appreciated more"
Exactly, and it's not only her but most of the HoloEN members too, they are lazy, barely stream and don't give a fuck about their fans. They do this because they know that as long as they have the blue dorito mark buff, they will still make effortless money and get away with it.

>>31722351
You don't need to be a fucking Nijifag to hate sana, just like >>31721004 said, bitch robbed us of a streamer who actually wanted to do the job at least and a fucking multitalented chuuba at most, now she's the first and fastest Hololive to graduate without ''drama'' just to rip off korone's design on her shitty chink gacha, that might be why she got kicked out, KEK.
Any fucking indie has the right to be angry at her for taking their golden ticket and wiping her aussie ass with it.

>>31727602
>t.threadwatcher.

>>31717730
Content wise? No in fact she was great and wished she had done more however she had a shitty time and luck.

The thing that annoys me the most about Sana's whole deal is that she just constantly went radio silent. Think about how much more leeway people would have given if she had told fans that she "hurt" her back and whatnot.

>>31727688
Pink Korone and Boy Rimuru.

her voice was grating. I'm glad there's no longer a chance for her to show up in collabs

>>31727387
happiness depends on their personal circumstances. they're happy to keep shitposting about her ad nauseum though.

>>31717730

She was a nepotism hire (Frankly every EN member after Myth is if you know how their auditions work) who just wanted a payday.
In a way I actually love what happened because it showed them that nepotism doesn't always work in this industry. As much as her Myth friends tried, vtubing isn't like twitch where random Asians can just push their irrelevant friends to the top and have the viewers stick, you need to actually be willing to work harder than normal streamers do.
Maybe with this lesson learned Hololive will go back to take chances on talent and not just hiring friends of existing members.

>>31717730
she was not that bad
was not good either
she was nothing, barely even streamed

>>31726964

this is true in every entertainment industry
there is a single digit amount of working hollywood actors under 50 who are the first generation in the industry in their family
99% of twitch are either the LA or Texas clique of streamers that all know each other IRL
There aren't any agency vtubers who were actual surprise hires outside of the Japan branch. Everyone in EN are friends and were before they auditioned.
Even fucking voice actors. There's a handful of casting directors (Patrick Sietz being the biggest/worst example) who just hire their friends for every role. Look at the cast of Fire Emblem Three Houses then go look at the cast of any notable anime or game to come out since, it's all the same people.

>>31735543
how do their auditions work, pray tell ?
please be sure to explain why it's - nepotism - and not, you know, someone passing your CV to recruitment (which in the jobs i know only affects the beginning of an interview process) or recommendation (which in the jobs i know only affects the very very end of an interview process).

>>31735890

to answer the first part every agency incl Hololive just has a scout list no different than what you'd get in pro sport with high school / college players already being scouted for teams before they're even close to ready. Only people from the list get to p2 auditions and the p1 process is just to see who of them are wanting to join.
talents maintain the list.
this is why so many holomems have stories of just throwing out an audition and getting so lucky to make it. nope, you were just put on the list by someone already in.

as for the second part of the question you ask to explain why it's nepotism and not x and then x is just two ways nepotism works so uhh, bait maybe?

Nepotism? who cares networking and then leveraging those connections, is just as important for a company as talent

Her personality was the most bearable from council but her lack of streaming was her biggest problem

>>31717730
My first impression of her was the best of the Council girls, which honestly hasn't gone up much. She had a good personality, was good at games, a great artist, and seemed to have the willingness to stream. And more importantly, she didn't seem to be fucking consumed by her lore and kayfabe like most of the council girls were at the start. Over time I liked Bae better because she cares the most, but it hurt me that her dog dying resulted in this spiral of self-destruction. Happy for her and Sanalites she at least left with grace.

I'm going to be real here. Sana's personality and voice fit the model very well. If anything she ate the bullet because overall the design of Sana was very meh.

She was baste might she rest in power

why does this thread keep getting remade with the same 5 retards aving a melty
>muh stolen spot
yeah and i couldve been born into one of the families in this world that's rich, guess ill go kill mah self

>nepotism in Holo X
>good
>nepotism in Council
>bad
Explain

>>31740134
Everyone in Holo X streams

>>31740134
>holo x
5 great entertainers
>council
2 great entertainers, 3 deadweights (including sana)

>>31717730
I don't even know her last name

>>31717730
I wouldn't know, she hardly streamed.

>>31739821
After taking a look at one of her rm’s streams and getting utterly filtered by the voice, I realize now that she took one for the team. Like, if any of the five ought to go based on voice alone, it’s her, and I’m glad she took the most underwhelming model design with her.

>>31717730
Her good side and talent is way, way understated /here/ but all the bad sides are accurate

>>31741169
always confused by people filtered by her voice. Kiara, Bae, and Mori, Miko, and Luna all have way worse voices than her that impact how people listen to them and understand them. I find Sana easier to understand than all of them.

>>31717730
nepotism or not, gacha money or not, back pain or not, at the end of the day, we're left with a gen 2 that's one person short because a person lacked determination and underestimated their job and chose to throw away an opportunity that could've went to a different individual, with a possible different, more positive outcome.

>>31740963
Tsuku... tsuku... hima? I'm trying to not looking it up, it was tsuku something but can't remember the rest

>>31741317
>confused
you're not confused, you're just in denial to accept you have bad ears

>>31741390
you're completely right. but are you missing that's not a problem at all, it happens to all company's, and it's unrealistic to think any company is ever gonna have a failure-to-launch chuuba? I really fucking hate using the term "nothingburger" but are you medicated enough to realize that none of that is a fucking problem for cover or the people who watch it? christ.

>>31741439
your argument is that people who can understand her have WORSE ears? Cope, esl faggot.

>>31741317
as an ausfag, hearing an australian voice from a screen is uncanny valley territory. we sound like crackheads

>>31717730
she didn't take ina, another chink-slave drawfag with her, so yes, she didn't do a single thing right even at the end

>>31741549
Can you tell if they're aping the accent up to appeal to non-ausfags?

>>31741317
I don’t have any trouble understanding any of them, so for me it’s purely based off personal preference.
That said, I have no idea how Sana is the one who’s easiest to understand.
I’m guessing it’s only the fact that she doesn’t scream very much. Other than that, she’s way further from a “standard” accent than any of the other girls (Bae’s accent is pretty standard for Australia. Kronii’s accent is way more obvious than Ina’s and thicker than any of NijiEN’s except Elira, but nobody gives a fuck about a Canadian accent as long as you don’t go full hoser)

>>31741664
Even non ausfags can tell. If they’re playing it up for a meme, you get the same feeling as when an American sings “America Fuck Yeah”. Not even the original singer of that song actually has that accent irl

>>31737053
cool, thanks for explaining !
oh wow, I suddenly feel so bad for all the jobs I got through nepotism just because someone working there passed them my cv. I mean I did pass like 4-5 interviews afterwards but clearly it's all because of the person who passed the cv and not because I had experience or because the interviews or the interviews were good or anything...
it really is so upsetting to know that a million dollar company makes decisions the same way. it's not like sana had any streaming or gaming experience, unique ideas, specific skills, or even knew any languages that were relevant to the job. yes, clearly 2view #564 was way better qualified to the job than her.

Yes she was terrible.

If this was an indie, she would have 0 fans whatsoever. The only reason you think she's ok is because she got into hololive (through nepotism). She's objectively terrible

>>31742118
I don’t like Sana either, but it’s mostly because of the hugbox everywhere else that means we can’t all just admit that she was a flop through a combination of bad circumstances and her handling them poorly.
Even so, “nepotism” just means “it’s a crapshoot, so we trust someone that our employees already know than someone they don’t”. It’s still a crapshoot. No one knew her dog would die and her back problems would exacerbate, and no one knew she would be dumb enough to do all the worst things to make those debuffs stick.
Shit happens, she’s gone, which was supposed to mean we stop seeing these bait posts…

>>31717730
yeah her rm was a shit person too. literally quit to play chink gacha all day

>>31741664
it would sound like when americans do a bri'ish accent, they copy certain words they've heard and then let their natural accent fill in the rest

Sana sounded like a nasally eastern state dweller, I don't know how someone would know the inflection well enough to imitate it without spending time there

>>31742118
>clearly 2view #564 was way better qualified to the job than her
2view #564 would still be around and this thread wouldn't, so yes?

>>31742472
based I would too

>>31742118
2view #564 would have streamed instead of just straight up lie to play chink gachas
> I suddenly feel so bad for all the jobs I got through nepotism just because someone working there passed themmy cv
As someone who got his cousin hired throught nepotism I can tell you you're full of bullshit, just like me your friend most likely is shilling you endlessly and telling the boss how good and ready are you, Sana had experience? yeah on being a boring bitch playing gachas, drawing skills? oh NICE!!! Cover must have loved all the chinese market she could've bro-... OH WAIT!!! get the fuck out with your bullshit, your oshi sucks ans is forever remembered as an ungrateful lazy bitch.

>>31717730
3rd best member of Council (not counting irys), would've been 2nd if she streamed more. Hope her roommate is as entertaining, but not overly hopeful.

>>31720136
Agreed, but the seethe of "I lost out to her?!" is kinda understandable at this point.

>>31747622
damn bro make sure to wipe your keyboard of all those tears lmao crying ass nigga abloo abloo

>>31727129
A little bit of lassoing and minimal photoshop knowledge can take a large chunk of the effort out of the already-increasingly-effortless-process-of-art

It's like how Tesla's self driving isn't actually self driving, but the attention needed to operate that is comically minimal.

>>31718531
This is the board where afeminated men pretend to be outraged about things they don't really care. Kinda like Twitter

>>31717730
yes

>>31717730
Yes

>>31717730
Unremarkable at best. No one will remember her. Even before, if you weren't deep into Hololive you wouldn't even remember she exists.
She won't be Coco, Rushia or even Aloe. She'll be more like Chris, the forgotten.

>>31717730
Her hair is really stupid, both outfit.
And everything else already mentioned above

>>31722351
i though the whole troon hate was a rat lol, gotta dilate hard

>>31717730
Yup

>>31717730
I don't think she was not cut out to be streamer. Her intro vid was pretty good though

>>31717730
Yes.

>>31740134
This is an EOP board. That's why the JP's get away with everything.