/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Nijisanji is good.

>playing games is hard work.
Anon.... Also, Hololive isn't mostly about streaming. They do other things besides that.

>>31693806
>why won't people watch my company which is better than your shitty company
>i just don't understand...

>>31693806
They just don't have the charisma.

because quality > quantity

>>31693997
Genuinely curious what is it that HoloEN members do that NijiEN don't? From what I understand its basically the same. They do their music, they have stuff like con appearances, they have Nijisanji events to attend in 3D and 2D.

>>31693915

>>31693806
I bet you think niji is great because they shit out new gens

>>31693997
What does Gura do beside streaming? Do a cover every 4 months?

Flopsanji status?

>>31694188
/thread

>>31694188
Nijisanji is still better if its quality > quantity though. Playing Rust and FOTM games a couple of times a week and calling it a day isn't quality or quantity. It's lazy and low effort.

>>31693806
nijis are desperate for money, that's literally it

>>31694237
Look at vox and you'll figure it out

>>31694450
I'm wondering what the other stuff HoloEN members do outside of streaming that poster was referring to that NijiEN members don't do outside of stream.

>>31693806
it's like trying to shill me to buy a PS5 when i wanted to play Pokemon instead.

>>31693997
ah yes, how could we forget minecraft and supacha reading

Ok fine, red pill me on nijiEN, and are there any unicorns in nijiEN?

>>31694115
>charisma
>HoloEN
kek

I play video games a lot and I'm not entertaining too. Maybe I should apply.

>>31693806
it's called desperation. at the very minimum cover provides a minimum salary so they don't need to starve if they stop and can think about types of streams they enjoy.
Nijis will starve if they stop streaming because anycolor doesn't care about failing streamers. i.e. anyone not luxiem

>>31694591
yeah and they have even less than that.

its threads like these that turn me away from nijien. it reeks of desperation, cope

>>31693806
why do you faggots think that more stream=better. As if you have the time to watch them and if you do then get a fucking life

>>31694237
it's not a homogenous company.

>>31694188
What quality??? It's the same low effort streams all the time. Talk shit all xou want but NijiEN streams are much more vaříme in comparison.

Niji is bigger than Holo
NijiEN is bigger than HoloEN
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/10706832/
These truths midbreak the drones so they shitpost "the competition" while the jannies turn a blind eye
They think they're fighting an All Out War when
In reality even soldiers get paid. They're just schizos wasting their lives pissing into the ocean and doing it for free. Kinda sad really

>>31694811
So you can't come up with anything specific that they are doing outside of stream that NijiEN members don't also do.

>>31694674
imagine defining your choices based on fucking 4chan of all places, pls never watch nijisanji

>>31694674
check them out if you can, idk if you're Holofag but if you are you must feel the same when fags starts spamming tribalshit with high ranked Holos and keep people from watching.... altho filtering those faggots who get riled up by rrats from /vt/ sounds like a good idea....

>>31694845
the only quality you have is that it's not hololive.

>>31693806
because their streams are ruined by the males and their "humor"
also, i noticed you included nijien males but not holostars en

>>31693806
I can point you to millions of 2 views who stream everyday and will never incline.
The issue is strategy.

>>31694913
>>31694917
which is it

>>31694913
>pls never watch nijisanji
i wont, faggot

Are you the retard that posted the terrible rrat about Ina? you're falseflagging and promotion of tribalfaggotry is desperate.

I'll be very honest with you anon.
Nijisanji overwhelms me, before I can get attached with their latest batch of livers they try to push another wave down my throat. I just can't, it's too much stuff, they make multiple POV collabs every day, I just can't.
Yeah HoloEn is kinda lacking with content so I've been watching a lot of HoloID recently and even Tempus because they are consistent with their content.
It's not even a matter of quality x quantity, it's just that Niji is too much for me to even get into.

>>31695027
I mean broadly speaking NijiEN is inclining though even the girls. This time last year they had what 3 girls that could get 2000 viewers. Now they have 4 girls at least that can break 3k viewers without difficulty and most of the rest of the average above 2k.

>>31693806
i dont waste my time with neither, i prefer to watch tempus, holojp, or some niji jp, way more entertaining

>>31693806
Different markets maybe? think faggot.

>>31694627
the salary is $100 a month, if you think people can live on that then touch grass to find out

>>31695093
If you like HoloEN you don't really need to look any further into NijiEN than Lazulight and Obsydia. I have watched mainly the girls from those groups since NijiEN started and never switched to watching anyone from the new waves. I see the other members in collabs from time to time and thats enough. I check out the debuts when a new wave comes along but I already know I have all the content I want from the girls I already watch and probably wont pick any of them up.

>>31695275
>source: my ass

>>31693806
I'd say quality over quantity, but lets be honest HoloEN also sucks. Less then NijiEN, mind you, but sucks nonetheless

>>31695275
and niji can't even afford $100 to give to all their members even when they are so much larger and make way more money?

I agree with you OP but this thread is just gonna devolve into more tribalistic nonsense.
Assuming it doesnt get deleted by the holo mods.

>>31693806
Because it’s a chin chon company.
At any moment some changs can start a mob against Niji like what happened to Vox

if you add all of them together their view counts are pretty good.. especially the Luxiem boys. what's the problem? hololive EN gets a lot of viewers because of the hololive brand, and the fact that there are almost no streams to watch so everyone is watching the same thing.

I'm not watching 14 hours of streams a day I just want to watch something after dinner while I relax

>>31695356
>moving the goalpost

>>31695453
no if you can't even match someone's minimum you have no right to even complain

>>31693806
I already am struggling to watch all the streams I want to watch. I don't need more. Also, why isn't Tempus included in this picture?

>>31693806
It's almost as if competing for views within your own company isn't a great idea or something

>>31695453
>still no source

>>31695500
>moved it again
>>31695557
reps newfag

>>31693806
Without idol standard or pandering to a particular group of men, there're no reason to choose them over Vshojo

>>31695589
>>31695557

>>31695637
>>31695589

>>31695302
You know, I was very into Pomu and Elira in the beginning then before I knew it came Obsydia and the overwhelming feeling started. I still follow the 2 first waves here and there as you mentioned, but I completely gave up in the corpo because of that

>>31693806
maybe people don't actually want to watch vtubers from the moment they wake up til the moment they sleep

>>31695660
>>31695557

>>31695589
lmao did you just learn the phrase move a goalpost and are just using it for every argument?

>>31695708
Welcome to /vt/ this one aswell :)

>>31695637
>>31695660
>>31695695

>>31693806
list of things that make me watch streamers
>I enjoy watching her

list of things that wont make me watch a streamer
>streams more often
>streams for longer
>more variety
>more colabs
>more creative ideas
>releases schedules

things that will make me not want to watch a streamer
>male
>acknowledges the existence of males other than her fans

>>31694913
>pls never watch nijisanji
This is the exact attitude that causes the shift in timeline when rin purged EN from her viewership. Guess you'll never learn.

>>31695669
I don't really get why it would matter that much when they both mostly do solo content to begin with? Why would I stop watching something I enjoy because stuff I don't watch exists.

>>31695637
NTA but the only proof of Holomem ever had a salary is maybe this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpw7b1qV3qw&t=80s
Kanata mentioned she had like 20000 yen given by Cover when she struggle with monetization. I can't find any clip further proving some like HoloEN even have salaries.

>>31693806
They need to release 2 more waves

>>31695759
Aun no hay salsa.

Only NijiEN I watch is Pomu. Everyone else is either boring or obnoxious or too much of a zoomer for me. Or a man.

>>31695778
Nice for actually taking the time to search this anon, I would say maybe they changed it because that was fucking 2 years ago.

Nijis don't get base salaries whereas Holos do, afaik. You can figure out the rest.

Hi catalogfags, I didn’t read the OP but I just want you all to know that Enna Alouette is my oshi and I dream every day about her walking on my back with her bare chinese soles

>>31695950
kinda gay desu...birds don't weigh anything what's the point?

>>31693806
Same reason why McDonald's will be always be more popular than any good food establishment. There's a reason why Cover doesn't want their precious girls to collab with nijiEN, they'll lose viewership once people realize there's a way better alternative. Even if you take away all those factors in the OP, the nijiEN girls are infinitely more charismatic and cuter then the other side. Also watch Cover shills and holofags grasp at straws trying to refute this. They have nothing to watch so they spend all their days making anti-niji threads. Pathetic, really.

>>31695950
I don't watch Nijis, but as someone who actually had a tiny chinese gf.... you're missing on heaven bro.

>>31695950
go back to posting pictures of your mom, creep

>>31693806
Cause they're talentless, not entertaining, and have the personalities of a dishcloth

>>31695906
>I would say maybe they changed it because that was fucking 2 years ago
Yeah, and there is no proof that HoloEN gets like 100$ a month or even has a salary to begin with. All of these >>31695935 literally have no proof as the money Kanata received can be some kind of help instead of a salary. But I guess repeat it enough times it somewhat becomes true.

fuck you and your shilling
watch whoever you want and Magni since he's the truth

>>31693806
Wouldn't be a Nijisanji post if they weren't talking about Hololive.

>>31696109
OP wasn't asking about HoloEN.

>>31696047
>different markets
>They'll lose the viewership when the viewers realize a market they already know exists and is not for them is available because I say so
Nigger-kun....

This shit is gay. I don't care what company they belong to...all that matters is the first girl to say "nigger" (hard R) I will coom and pledge my allegiance to their company

because all your shilling strategies are wrong. if you shill while putting down the other corpo it just makes people want to watch them less.

>>31693806
Why do Pomudachi always have to put down other livers just to tell people to watch Pomu?
If I learned about Pomu through /vt/ I would have never given her a chance because holy shit you fags are as obnoxious as the holofags in the numbers thread. Just fucking watch who you like.

>>31696047
Pretty much lol. Holofags deflect saying it's NijiEN that block collab with HoloEN but the fact is HoloEN girls have higher viewerships, it's benefitting NijiEN girls to be exposed to their viewerbase. It's high on copium to think NijiEN block that kind of opportunity for themselves. Probably just wanted to antagonize Nijisanji.
HoloEN has always been the active one to sabotage.

>>31695935
This one doesn't make sense to me because you have people in HoloJP and in HoloID that stream just as much as NijiEN members do if not more. It's just HoloEN that are lazy and don't stream.

>>31696238

>>31693806
>why won't more people watch NijiEN
Tell me one good reason why I should watch NijiEN over the JPs
Twitch humor and alphabet twitter pandering obviously isn't a good selling point

>>31696189
Holos living rent-free in Nijis heads is actually amazing. I genuinely love both companies for their own qualities but the Niji talents' yabs are priceless

>>31696109
but enough about Phase

>>31696384
Yeah, that's why I watch HoloID. They stream a lot, are consistent, and don't come with all the bullshit that NijiEN does.

>>31696384
SHHH i'm having fun here faggot while watching vesper, don't you ruin it.

>>31693806
Because Hololive has a shit ton more highly viewed english clips on Youtube, causing the algorithm to favor them. People new to vtubers are funneled into Hololive through recommendations. Hololive is pushed on you even if you actively search for other companies or indies.

As a result, Hololive is more mainstream and gets first dibs on fans, but also experiences constant major fan bleed as people ultimately get bored of them and learn about the industry outside the walled garden. Nijisanji, Phase Connect etc. feed off that stream of inquisitive ex-holofans. Doesn't get you Hololive numbers overnight, but it does get you steady growth and a more invested core fanbase.

>>31696383
Did you even read my post? I specified hard R

>>31696189
It took some time, but they figured out this is a holo board eventually

>>31696469

>>31696442
Can confirm, completely left HoloEN for NijiEN at the beginning of this year

>>31696442
Fucking false, I get way more indies, Nijis and even some Vshojos in my feed, if it weren't for me putting them on ''don't recommend'' it would be a nightmare.

This thread is why i don't watch nijis.

>>31696442
a lot of NijiEN fans came during the CN boom and most don't know the Holobase or their lingo. It's why PL has become a more relevent term these days instead of roommate since that's what they use in niji fan discord

>>31696047
A Niji shill call holobronies a shill. You guys are the same shit. Both are numberfags and triballist faggot. Don't pretend you guys are any better than the bronies.

>>31693806
BASED

>>31696442
maybe if they would stop tagging themselves as hololive they'll actually show up when you search for their companies.

>>31696621
Based? based on what?

>>31696354
AEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MEIDOS ONEGAI

because they ponder to chinks

>>31696550
Yeah, I'm sure. Meanwhile, I haven't followed Hololive since mid-2020 and I still regularly get clips in my recs from holomems I've never once watched for even a second. Used to be that if I searched for a niji (JP side), I'd get a single page of hits, then the rest of the feed was holoclips. Not because there weren't enough nijiclips, but because that's just how the algorithm works even to this day.

>>31693806
>idols
>get paid regular salary
>people like idols will watch

>livers
>no salary, must stream to survive
>no idols = no watch

>>31696384
I get that. My counterpoint to that is: HoloEN managers are glorified babysitters and don't know wtf they're doing, which also aligns with Myth's first year when they also didn't know wtf they were doing. So they coasted on their salaries and insane numbers, (and music in Mori's case). Meanwhile the NijiENs, seeing what Myth accomplished, already knew they're at a disadvantage and don't get the salary perks or the established brand-recognition+merch supply-chain. (I'm certain several of them made it to the last round of Holo auditions). So of course they're going to stream more because that's how they primarily make money, and even that's not enough Feesh paypig discord saga

>>31696914
>SEAfriend can’t help but fuck up a 5 (five) word sentance

>>31693806
Because I mostly watch HoloJP, HoloEN is just side branch coming along with it. Unless NijiEN can do 3D concerts like Holos then I will consider giving a chance

>>31696354
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T STREAM WHEN SOME RANDOM OTHER COMPANY HAS DEBUTS!! THAT'S NOT FAAAAAIR!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP WHAT THEIR DOING AND WATCH MY BRAND'S STREAM!!

I don't give a shit what any of you schizos say. Nijisanji is fucking great at least the streamers fucking stream and there is a huge variety of what kind of content you get.

>>31697058
>sentance

>>31697190
nijisanji is a company that streams for 24/7 but will stop for holo's debuts because they are the best company ever

>>31697058
oh, the irony

>>31697190
MAKE SURE ITS EXACTLY THE SAME TO THE MINUTE!!!

1. Because they pander to chinks
2. Because only autists on 4chan like them
3. Because I have a life and can't keep up with 500 more ENTubers
4. Because OP touches himself at night

>>31697047
I don't know if you look at the most extreme among them in streaming time with Elira and Selen both of them have somewhere between 3-4k members so thats $15-20k a month without even doing a stream ($5,000 - $7,000 after all cuts ). Then they have stuff like merch, voices, sponsorships and ad revenue. They are porobably clearing $10-15k a month each minimum after cuts without even starting on superchat money. There is no monetary need for those girls to stream that much.

>>31697278
NTA, but that's because Holo is relevant and Nijis know they wouldn't have anyone watching their streams during it. You can't expect them to stop all activity for every random streamer that debuts. Should they stop every time a new indie debuts as well?

I watch HoloEN, HoloJP with liveTL and my favorite NijiJP, notLulu - if I wanted to watch fleshtubers who reek of desperation I'd just log onto twitch

>>31697278
Didn't Uki hold an unarchived karaoke during Tempus debuts?
It's stupid to expect one corpo to stop for another corpo anyway.

>>31697462
its fucking sarcasm. Of fucking course nijis stream over their debuts. they aren't the same company and do their own shit.

>>31696354
HoloENs are "idols". NijiENs are streamers. Niji is competing with VShojo far more than HoloEN. Not to mention the chink shit. The mentally 12yo holo simps be like "wHy aRe ThE NiJis AlLoWeD tO pLaY gEnShIn?????

>>31697578
Stop implying that having Genshin permissions is an own

>>31697578
you know what they have in common? Niji and Holo are vtubers companies that stream games, karaoke, cover, do collabs, etc.
Basically they are doing the same thing LOL

>>31697578
Learn English please

>>31697578
I can't tell if this post is shitting on Nijis or Holos. Can you rephrase that in English?

>>31697391
That proves my point. The Holo girls still make more since they have far larger member numbers and algo priority. So the Niji girls are gonna do as much as they can to maximize revenue especially if they feel they deserved to be in HL

>>31694237
Not everyone in cuck fetish like nijinigers

>>31697773
they have much more in common than they do to differentiate the main differences are in the tone of the content, the way they choose to frame themselves and marketing choices

>>31697675
nobody likes the game but its undeniably popular content that would do really well for hololive if they could stream it

>>31693806
Both Nijisanji and Hololive have shit taste in games. Don't just stick to the big leagues. Watch more indies and small companies.

>>31693806
>more of them stream
Ok
>they are very active
Ok
>they stream longer
Ok
>they release schedules!
Ok
>so, will you wat-
No

>>31698022
Holy based

>>31697951
Based god. Dunno why people insist on big corpos when there's a whole world of vtubers out there.

>>31693806
Everyone reading this thread should sub to and watch Lumi. You won't get this selection of games from any big corpo vtuber.

>>31697871
Your point was
>of course they're going to stream more because that's how they primarily make money
I am directly contradicting it. They make most of their money outside of streams on things not directly linked to the length of time they stream.

>>31693806
I watch who I enjoy, their company or how much they stream don't matter

>>31697951
nah I watching stream because of the streamer, not because their game choice.

>>31698075
I'm not interested in watching any of those games though.

I like meme gremlins. Who to watch? Swearing and vulgarity preferred. Unhinged is best.

>>31698223
Probably Enna, Pomu and Millie I guess from NijiEN would fit that bill the most.

>>31693806
There's a reason why holoen is in decline while nijien keeps rising. 200k for an outfit reveal is no longer possible, while a group of 3 girls that can't even pull 10k on debut can now pull 40k on an outfit reveal. And it'll continue to grow.

>>31698332
while retaining none of that into the next stream. she just had a 5k collab today, and it wasn't even her highest numbered collab

>>31698223
Pippa Pipkin from phase connect is probably your best bet. She has to take down her VODs half the time.

>>31698223
NijiEN doesn't even do swearing and vulgarity good. Phase connect would be your home.

>>31698102
>>31698022
>>31695761
>>31695027
>>31694694
this
you shills are yet to name a single reason why I should watch your company

>>31698223
Luto Araka from Prism Project and Tenma Maemi from Phase Connect. Ignore everyone mentioning Pippa.

>>31698543
>w-we're not hololive!

Tribalism

>>31698594
Sell me on these two, I don't know much about them.

Tribadism

>>31698095
Are you implying that the formula:
More stream time = more clips = more traffic = more paying customers
is not something the Nijis consider important?

I'm not gay

>>31698755
I'm saying that the explanation you were giving doesn't make sense. Your claim was they stream lots more because thats how they primarily make money. But they primarily make money through things that aren't directly linked to their streaming time. Just the same as HoloEN do.

>>31698640
are you implying that I'm part of the hololive staff?
I guess it takes a special kind of retard to like nijisanji

>>31698679
They both swear a lot, with Luto being an Australian loli and Tenma being an ESL Japanese middle-aged loli with a granny voice. They both have the funniest and weirdest laughs. They both are prankish gremlins in both appearance and personality.

>>31698996
NTA but anon is saying that nijishill's only reason for you to watch Nijisanji is that they are not Hololive.

https://www.twitch.tv/nagzz21/clip/SavoryDarkLampKreygasm-su6b0Od5Zv5o6J-u?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
Kys nijishill

>>31699090
makes sense
my bad

>>31699080
Alright, I gave them both a pity sub since they seem interesting enough, hopefully I'll like what I see later.

>>31698543
I decided to give them a try because I was bored when people I normally watch weren't on. Then I just found their streams to be fun and entertaining to the point where I ended up choosing them over what I was watching them in between before. I also came to like that they are reliable and consistent in their streaming, they don't take the audience being there for granted by only showing up a couple of times a week when they feel like it and actually work hard to maintain and grow what they have.

>>31698679

I'm not good at selling, but here's a clip of Luto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW3JbJCIsX4

>>31696238
Based

>>31693806
Ame made a definite schedule for at least some months and she announced it already. Why am I responding, kys

>>31699522
you should know how to /sage posts so it doesn't bump it.

>>31694188
>"UMMMMM HOLOKEKS YOUR OSHIS DONT STREAM LOL"
>"quality > quantity"
>"UMMMMM WHAT QUALITY HOLOKEKS??? LOL VOX FAPPING INTO THE MIC IS PURE QUALITY AND HE DOES IT EVERY STREAM COPESEETHE"

>>31693806
Everything is fake manufactured
All out War
NijiCN(EN)

That’s all, for nijijp, I didn’t watch them at start because there’s too many of them but now I don’t even want to touch because niji want all out war with holos. I was neutral at the start but niji CN happened. Blame the discord leak.

>>31693806
btw ame is streaming cult of the lamb rn, go check her out
https://www.twitch.tv/watsonamelia_hololiveen

>>31693806
Do you really need my CCV? You are gonna have to try harder nijifag

While I like NijiEN, the company does itself little favors. There’s currently 26 talents to keep track of, and they tend to do group content a lot, so trying to keep track of everyone on top of whoever your existing oshis might be is just out of the question for most people.
Most of them also don’t really play or do something that stands out. They play pretty much the exact same games as everyone else despite having more permissions in theory, so again why bother making the jump if your oshi already does the same and you’re happy?
Their humor also probably might not be for everyone. It can be like Hololive for a few talents, or it can be Vshojo-lite tier for the majority. No real middle ground or unique identity to sell to people.

>>31693997
So by your own admission, playing games isn't hard work and HoloEN can't even do that?

thread gives little to no rebuttals to OP pic tbqh. No one actually explains how holo content is better or different

>>31701750
You can “work” harder, yet yield minuscule returns from it. I don’t have to enjoy your efforts, whether you do or do not commit to such. There is no rule that decrees putting more time into something makes it superior or more enjoyable. A trend, perhaps, but not a rule.

>>31693806
I unironically watch them after a NijiChad posted that they enjoy watching Tempus.

>>31702066
ok so niji has better airtime coverage with the same type of content? Guess that's why they're doing better

>>31699917
>twitch whore
> first one to betray her audience
figures
stars doesn't count and mori colabing with males is not betrayal as you knew it was coming

>>31693806
Hey faggot OP. You could have simply said "this vtuber streams this stuff, and they're awesome!" Or even better, you could have directed your passion into learning how to clip your favorite vtubers so they could get more exposure. But you just had to be a faggot instead and cry "why you watch other vtuber this is why my vtuber is better than your vtuber". Hopefully you can learn from your mistakes and shill your oshi better next time.

Nijiniggers live like this? Totally rent free and constantly thinking about their self-identified mortal vtubing enemies while they watch their supposed oshi?
Surely you can feel some shame about this post, even if you're mostly bugs.

>>31693806
You sound like the people who say Ayame's streams are bad because she "doesn't work hard enough". Her streams are great, and that they're rare makes them more exciting if anything.

>>31693806

>>31693806
Ni-who?

>>31696354

NIJI BEGGAR IS REAL

>>31693806
Those who don't like HoloEN just watch HoloJP.

Dropped holoEN and watched nijiEN for a few months earlier in the year, found them pretty entertaining initially, but started finding their humour too crass, the collab spam with members I didn't care for got out of hand, and those I did enjoy watching tended to stream at times that were inconvenient for me, so I went back to holo for my EN fix

>>31702299
>doing better
>OP’s point is essentially begging people to watch indirectly

>>31702668
it really doesn't matter. they'll just rewrite shit to make it fit their narrative.

>>31699236
>fun and entertaining
in what way?
>reliable and consistent
I'm not a consoomer, I have a job and have limited time to watch streams. This is not a factor for the majority of holo watchers.

>>31693806
I tried giving them a chance and might have warmed up to them eventually, but the males debuting killed any chance of that happening because I won't watch male collabs and the girls seem to think it's a good idea to make them 90% of their streams

>>31702838
Did you try other companies? I recommend Kawaii, they're having their 3rd gen debut on Saturday and the majority of their girls do GFE.

>>31702668
It's insane how accommodating this board initially, up to Obsydia's debut, the general Holo community outside of /here/, and Cover themselves, have been to NijiENfags, but they still feel persecuted for some reason and need to constantly shit up the board.

>>31702968
How could you not see the writing on the wall beforehand? Collab spam and random impromptu collabs were the name of the NijiEN game even before Luxiem debuted, of course they were going to continue the same trend after adding guys.

>>31696047
>Cover doesn't want their precious girls to collab with nijiEN

Here we go again with the nijinigger revisionism.
The block was always from NijiEN, here's the proof -

Prelude : Most holofans assumed that the collab ban was from HoloEN side for a long time, because Myth was quite isolationist during their first year.
But once Myth started doing vshojo, indie and 3DPD collabs(TT), people slowly started to notice that they were avoiding NijiEN, despite a lot of the talents (Pomu and Kiara especially) being on good terms.

1. Ollie collabs with Gundou from NijiJP on 28th July 2021 (https://youtu.be/Ghzt6N1WB14).). This was around 2 months after NijiEN debuted.
2. One day before this collab, Pomu and Kiara have their first of many on-stream (chat only) interactions (https://youtu.be/ZRb4HsiQXc8?t=6497).).
3. 3 months later - on October 25, 2021 - Kiara reports that her collab request for Pomu has been rejected (https://youtu.be/eMQF7VPADI8).).
She did not specify who did the rejecting. Considering that she had been quite candid about shitting on HoloEN management at the time, but avoided blaming any party in this instance, it indicated that the block may not have been from HoloEN management. But since there was no confirmation and Myth had precedence in isolationism, most casual fans simply assumed that the block was from HoloEN.
4. On Nov 23, Selen reveals on stream that she finally was allowed to collab with "the zombie" soon, which most people naturally assumed to be Ollie (https://youtu.be/K9Z6N3p-5XU?t=20813, https://youtu.be/qH_lYfNNw78).).
5. 3 days later, on Nov 26, Selen announces that the collab was cancelled (https://youtu.be/tfIGSTTuauI?t=26323).). Summary : "In the end, it had to be cancelled. Both of us were looking forward to it. I can't say too much about it, we both tried their best to make it happen. But the decision was out of both me and my collab partner's hands."
> In both of these instances, Selen did not namedrop Ollie even once.
6. The very next day (Nov 27), Overidea + Bilibili announce a VTuber singing festival that includes Lazulight as guests (https://old.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/r3koxh/half_of_2434_international_will_be_attending_sing/, https://twitter.com/OverideaHQ/status/1464532414512828421).).
> Speculation is that Selen's manager got permission from Cover's side for the collab and so Selen thought it was fine to announce it on stream (since once Cover's side was clear, obviously she assumed NijiEN would be fine with it). But the Lazulight Bilibili announcement may have caused NijiEN higher ups to veto it so that Lazulight could still attend the event.
7. Event itself happens 1 day later (Nov 28), streamed on both Youtube and Bilibili. Lazulight timestamp : https://youtu.be/Md2HAlsr3_Y?t=12947.. Side note : 3 chuubas (including Hana) from NijiID also participated in this.
8. December-January : Luxiem debuts and gains a humongous audience from China, inclining the entire branch and becoming the most successful NijiEN wave to date.
> Pomu - Kiara interactions - both on-stream(YT chat) and off-stream(twitter) - are still happening in the middle of all this.
9. March 5, 2022 : NijiEN discord leak. Irreparable damage to NijiEN perception in the eyes of hololive fans - specifically Fulgur. Damage is far more to NijiEN fans' reputations thanks to their reaction, but the livers' behavior was also frowned upon since they were outwardly friendly towards Holo. Pomu didn't have any major involvement, so her reputation is still relatively clear.
10. May 1, 2022 : Luxiem officially get Bilibili channels (https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1520712132718964736).).
11. July 13, 2022 : Pomu Birthday stream, when starting to read pre-recorded messages, reveals that there was "one more" but asks her fans to pretend that she read it on stream. Highly likely that this was Kiara's birthday message, but Pomu explicitly avoids confirming it despite freely being able to namedrop Kiara in prior streams (https://youtu.be/zkAecWb_yTs?t=10401).).
12. July 21, 2022 : Kiara SC reading stream, SC references Pomu collab. Kiara reveals that she had been hopeful for a while, but looking at "recent developments", it felt like it was never gonna happen (https://youtu.be/qEPw2vxjTaw?t=15873).).
13. Aug 06, 2022 : Pomu sends the contents of her bag for Kiara's bag reveal stream (https://youtu.be/wtRj5RGlMHA?t=6371).). Indicating that Hololive management has no problem with Kiara involving Pomu in her streams.
14. This pic (>>31702668) is the latest clue we have, where the post discussing the aforementioned incident was deleted from the Nijisanji subreddit with no explanation, but was not deleted from the Hololive subreddit, which explicitly has a Rule against "advertising VTubers outside of Hololive". Even the Hololive mods commented on that post, telling people to chill, but did not lock the thread, delete the post or otherwise prevent discussion.

Now fuck off you back to your discord, revisionist scum.

Only faggots that cling onto Lazusydia think like this. The girls and the branch has made big gains over the course of a year and it still isn't enough because it isn't Gura numbers. Stop being so ass pained that Luxiem shot pass the older girls and stop begging others to watch Nijisanji.

>>31702668
Typical niji Cn (en) behavior. Double sided face, in outside they want unity, in inside they want to kill your company. Note niji Jp is different that’s why i always put en

>>31703111
veibei cancelled her holo collab stream so it was holo blocking all collabs. Go back to your discord faggot

>>31703212
cope

>>31703080
it all started going to shit after luxiem, and even worse after luxiem CN boom

>>31698223
VShojo I guess.

>>31703212
Interesting. How does Ironmouse do it, though?

>>31703212
Veibae talked shit about Hololive, of course they would blacklist her. They didn't blacklist other VShojo girls as far as we know.

still crying about luxiem when cover already added a starsEN. Your walled off maiden's garden isn't niji's problem

>>31703425
what is niji's problem is why their newest EN gen with 70k+ debut fell lower than starsEN, a side branch of a side branch that debuted to 20k+ viewers.

>>31703524
starsEN debuted with 50k and is doing worse, what's up with that? What happened to that luxiemkiller bravado

>>31703212
Veibae is the biggest whore in vtubing and a cunt to boot, would you want your brand associated with her?
Oh wait, you're a NijiEN fan, you're used to all of that already

>>31703618
doing worse if you ignore numbers. They are literal 3views even in solo streams.

>>31702335
A person who creates threads like this is not a fan of anything except chaos. Their oshi is whoever it needs to be to piss you off. It is pointless talking to them.

>>31703425
It is a fact that the board went to shit after Luxiem. It's not Luxiem's fault. Their fans (you) are just cancer shit, especially here.

>>31703618
You can literally look that up and not be wrong like this

>>31703080
Blame holobronies for wishing Pomu would die on her operating table during her surgery last year. That pretty much killed all the unity /here/.

>>31693806
don't care I fucking despise nijiniggers so I will still shit on all of them

>>31693806
>there's a liver for everyone...unless you like something other than what every other streamer is already doing
>cute girls...who have male vtubers slide into their streams all the time while you sit in the corner like a cuck
>they stream all the time...which you don't have time to even bother keeping up with
>they have a sense of humor...that's limited to peepee poopoo
Hololive became a fan favorite because it did something different: welcoming in MALE aifags and dotlive stragglers. Mainstream appeal came later. Niji EN didn't target any untapped niche until Luxiem, at which point they hard filtered men by appealing to women. The fact is, there's a difference between a space where male fans are the ones both the vtubers and aspiring vtubers are trying to appeal to, and one where we're taken for granted because all the women are too busy clamoring to deepthroat male vtubers. At that point, why would we even bother sticking around if we're not the center of attention? If the women already have male vtubers, let the male vtubers and their audiences support female nijis.

I'm sorry to break it to y'all, but gender ain't a social construct and men have a different mating strategy than women. While women like guys who already have tons of women, women who already have tons of guys around them are a waste of an investment. This is reality, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or coping.

>>31703618
>that luxiemkiller bravado
The what? Literally everyone in /#/ was expecting them to be 3views shitters.

>>31703874
Okay? You can go ahead and look up luxiem's debut numbers while you're at it lmao

>>31695776
>mostly do solo content
Lol

>>31703854
This one in particular is a braindead Pomudachi, I've seen him using the same images and with the same posting style. It's a shame because I like Pomu and he's more likely to get her antis than fans like this.

>>31703932
Classic Nijinig behaviour. Just ignore all the well wishes, focus on the absolute minimal shitpost, and then carry a grudge forever that manifests in shitting up the board 24/7. See: OP.

>>31703618
Go back to your bugmen-lovers, nijicuck

>>31703111
This "proof" didn't prove anything tho.
>where the post discussing the aforementioned incident was deleted from the Nijisanji subreddit with no explanation
Should I inform you that Hololive subreddit literally did the same thing before and got backlashed?
>But the Lazulight Bilibili announcement may have caused NijiEN higher-ups to veto it so that Lazulight could still attend the event.
While NijiID had no problem collab with HoloID but still attended the event at the time there when not that many chink even know about NijiEN more than NijiID. Convincing.
>but Pomu explicitly avoids confirming it despite freely being able to namedrop Kiara in prior streams
Thus no way to firmly confirm that it's indeed from Kiara but she was unable to mention her.
Also, Pomu is free to praise and namedrop Hololive content in her Mengen and Mengen is not somewhere you can escape from management rules.
The only thing we know is both side share the same amount of possibility in blocking collab. It could even be HoloEN first but NijiEN followed after Chink flooded in.

>>31703985
they rewrite history. it's what they do. they'll also post a picture of some people memeing that they are going to beat luxiem and use it as undisputed proof.

>>31704012
>Fulgur
>newest EN gen

>>31693806

>>31694845
The hololive girls aren't collabing with men for 90% of their streams

>>31704078
lmao they argue in circles and grasp at anything for a "win" its so fucking sad to see

>>31703985
Persecution complex. There's really truly something wrong with the resident Nijifag on this board.

>>31703947
>rust
>rust
>elden ring
>rust
with constant 5 day breaks.

Meanwhile Pomu doesn't take any breaks for a full year. And when she does, she prepares streams to play for her fans during the break.
>who have male vtubers slide into their streams all the time
In pomu's last 25 streams, only 5 of them have been collabs. A few of them have been minecraft, which are potentially collabs. But the majority of her streams are solo streams.
>mating strategy
They aren't doing GFE, and neither is hololive. I don't know what this is about.
> While women like guys who already have tons of women
When Reimu interrupted Vox's girlfriend stream, she got death threats by jealous women.

You have never even watched nijiEN you're just making up rationalizations.

>>31694845
lmao you have more permissions for games but stream the same games. when rust got popular you start spamming that rust is uncreative and boring but maybe you're just jealous you don't have rust perms?

>>31704077
same but for hololive

>>31704154
/#/ botted millie though?

>>31704165
Niji has no elden ring permissions, no rust permissions. Complains about Holos playing those games. I think I see the connection here.

>>31704169
>you don't have rust perms
When the whole rust spamming in Hololive after some like Kuzuha and Peti getting insanely popular in streamer's server?
>>31704249
>no elden ring permissions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJZva4rU-Y
Now, explain.

>>31704183
>actually has a folder to "prove" his victimhood
Seek help. Kiara had more hate threads than what you've shown. But apparently it's enough for an eternal jihad to make this board awful for everyone.

>>31704232
I don't know what you're talking about.

>>31704249
>no elden ring permissions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2T2X_d40k8
so you are completely wrong about that

>Complains about Holos playing those games
It's pointing out how fucking lazy they are. They just spam the same buff-game over and over with massive breaks. Some of them are doing 2 streams a week. The NijiEN girls are hardworking and also very creative. Pomu, Rosemi and Millie are some of the most creative vtubers in the industry

>>31704183
Mori gets more bait threads alone than all of NijiEN put together

>>31703303
>Adapting previous holo antis
I mean what could go wrong.

Hololive is superior because they tard wrangle their talents more. The more freedom vtubers have the more their shitty 3dpg lives start in intrude into the streams.

>>31704165
>>rust
>>rust
>>elden ring
>>rust
Uh, about that...

>>31704249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW0f7bjAyq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0_-SoEH2g
bro pls

>>31704410
And ars is actually one of the best NijiJPs too. In the end it doesn't really matter what you spam if your audience likes it.

>>31704360
>Pomu, Rosemi and Millie are some of the most creative vtubers in the industry
Is this a false flag? Where's Enna? Selen?

>>31704360
>The NijiEN girls are hardworking and also very creative. Pomu, Rosemi and Millie are some of the most creative vtubers in the industry
What possesses a human being to behave like this?

>please please PLEASE watch my livers they NEED NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS
no

>>31704183
you couldn't even fill out all that white space, try asking deadbeats and kfp how much bait threads they get.

>please please PLEASE believe me when i say holos are better so i can win the argument
no

>>31693806
I'm not gay

>>31704360
>Pomu, Rosemi and Millie are some of the most creative vtubers in the industry
Watch more vtubers. They aren't close to even the most creative Nijisanji JP livers.

>>31704183
You proved the opposite of your point, nijichama. Well done!

>>31703080
Why do you think we call them nijiniggers? That's exactly what they are.

>>31704632
Where's the last thread professing how Holos are better? I might have missed it.

>>31704683
Did he get unbanned yet? I haven't followed him in a while

>>31704802
>Did he get unbanned yet?
He never did. They had to make a new account and give him a full name so that it's not exactly the same as the banned account.

>>31704776
you missed it because no one in this thread could come up with a concrete answer how holo is better

>>31703212
what about the kiara nyanners collab, was that blocked by holo as well?

>>31704360
>most creative vtubers in the industry
you need to watch more vtubers. they aren't even the most creative EN, not even the most creative nijiEN, not even close to nijiJP. Did discord send you?

>>31694188
Based

>>31704360
>Pomu, Rosemi and Millie are some of the most creative vtubers in the industry
Give Charlotte Suzu a try

Sometimes in life you just have to accept the second place like a little bitch.

>>31693806
Because HoloJP and NijiJP exist.

>>31704776
Holofags don't even beg for viewers like this. It's pathetic watching from the sidelines. If nijifags can learn to promote their company without putting others down like phase connect and prism does they might actually get some fans

>>31704978
yeah sucks for holo, oh well

>>31705036
First place begging for viewers from the 2nd place? Even more pathetic

>>31705017
yeah sure

>>31693806
sorry OP, but I'm just not interested.

>>31705076
in which part of this image does it even mention Nijisanji? If Nijifags did this it would be like "Look we celebrate your Holiday while Hololive doesn't so watch us okay"?

>>31704360
>so you are completely wrong about that
so why did rosemi completely drop sekiro? surely couldn't be because some retarded aussie monetized their elden ring stream thus prompting vox to play the game on bili

>>31704802
he got a new channel iirc

>>31705017
>If nijifags can learn to promote their company without putting others down like phase connect
>like phase connect
>>31686614

>>31704871
Now that's some mental gymnastics. Fact is, the thread is shilling Nijis comparing them directly to Holos, not the other way around.

>>31693806
Who the fuck has the time to watch all that shit? I have streams and vods up for almost every waking hour as it is.

>>31704066
> Should I inform you that Hololive subreddit literally did the same thing before
yeah because context doesn't fucking matter to you niggers.
> and got backlashed?
Engish
also "backlashed" from who? fucking dramatubers? rumao
>Convincing.
it's literally stated to be speculation nigger, learn to read.
> Thus no way to firmly confirm that it's indeed from Kiara but she was unable to mention her.
Oh, now I get why your English is so bad, you're fucking blind.

>>31705289
that's just a holofag having fun putting down nijifags.

Beggars deserve the rope no matter who.

As a holofag, why do Nijiniggers keeps on comparing your chuuba's to HoloEN?? Like, I honestly don't get the point of this. If you want them to be more popular make clips and promote their content on to other social media instead of complaining about the other corpo...

>>31705195
>rosemi completely drop sekiro
Maybe because she and her viewers got bored.
>inb4 no permission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syohP4QM3ns

>>31705176
>Look we celebrate your Holiday while Hololive doesn't so watch us okay
nice exaggerated and stupid hypothetical lmao. Telling us you can't answer why holo is better in 270 posts and have to result to virtue signaling and grand standing to promote yourselves? Just write a response to the OP, wow it's so easy

I would love to watch Nijisanji, really. Problem is that I barely have time to watch even all the holomems that I want.

So I'll stick to Hololive due to their interactions. Easier to follow the lore so to speak.

>>31705332
they seriously went into someone else's celebration thread and started shilling their own vtubers then got mad when they got kicked out.

>>31705426
>got bored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYhN2Wm_VkU

cool story bro

>>31705425
Nijisanji is babby's first non-Hololive vtuber group. The newfags are gonna compare, and shitposters are gonna latch onto comparisons.

the reason I don't watch nijisanji is that I have followed hololive since the azur lane collab, and gotten too deep with the fanbase. honestly, I don't hate nijisanji, but I'm too lazy to start getting to know all of niji's talents from zero.

but if you ask about the nijiEN holoEN comparison, of course, nijiEN is better (in streaming), I'm a juicer but well, only a clip frog right now, so I built with the mindset that streamers must stream for many hours and every day.

>>31705425
Probably because a lot of the western fans are ex hololive fans that converted into nijisanji fans or current fans of both companies. If you check your average Pomu or Elira stream 40-50% of her viewers also watch HoloEN for example

>>31705425
why do holoniggers never argue the point? They always opt to attack the person instead of the argument

>>31705555
There's a lot of people arguing the point in this thread though.

Which Niji's dont interact with males at all?

>>31693806
I don't watch people scared of 4 letter words anon.

>>31705555
There's nothing to argue about so why even bother?
I was giving a him/her an example to help his chuuba to be more popular just like what he wanted. Instead of complaining here as if it'll change anything.

>>31705555
>nooooooooooooooooo please validate my schizo loser tribalfag image noooooooooooooooo you must noooooooo you can't just dismiss me like an insane person noooooooooooooooo

>>31705332
>context doesn't fucking matter
Yeah locking a thread about Iluna interacting with Tempus is different from Kiara mentioning Pomu.
>speculation
And you think speculation is enough to "prove" Nijien blocking collab?
I literally said you are unable to prove any shit from your wall of text and the only thing you can do is move the goalpost. Kek.

>>31693806
Niji just isnt likable

>>31704169
Bro I woudn't even watch Rust. My point is you can't something 'quality over quantity' when holoen barely streams and when they do it's the same shit. NijiEN actually streams so it's only natural that there will be some games that will be repeated. But still nijiEN has much bigger variety of streams than holoEN.

>>31705649
None, but there are definitely females in Nijisanji JP (namely Lize and Toko) who have the vast majority of their streams be either solo or collabs with other females, with mixed collabs being very easy to identify and filter out. They even managed to build up unicorn fanbases due to this. EN though is different, everyone gets forced into this "family" culture so random Discord calls out of nowhere are the norm.

>>31705444
NijiEN: Can't say trap
HoloEN: Can.

>>31705714
truuuueee but for hololive

>>31704165
>rust
>rust
>elden ring
>rust
Rust is kino because I like seeing vtubers slaughter and dab on each other. It's cathartic. Nothing gets me harder than the fantasy of Botan joining HoloRust and playing seriously.
>In pomu's last 25 streams, only 5 of them have been collabs
And yet she still talks about the nijimen in her solo streams, which is still unironic NTR. If I wanted to know what they're up to, I'd just watch them myself. I mean, I know she's always been like this, but it's more tolerable coming from a fellow shitposter ripe for dunking on than an out of reach vtuber who I'm expecting won't offend my fragile male ego.
>They aren't doing GFE, and neither is hololive. I don't know what this is about.
All female vtubers are GFE, no exception. No man is actually going to sit there and listen to a woman drone on for hours if she doesn't simulate girlfriend feels for him.
>When Reimu interrupted Vox's girlfriend stream, she got death threats by jealous women
They disliked the interruption itself, but love that he's surrounded by women and is perceived as desirable by them. In contrast, a guy would hate a woman he likes being surrounded and desired by a bunch of other guys because male attraction is inherent rather than social.
>You have never even watched nijiEN you're just making up rationalizations
I watched until Luxiem, then got hard filtered every time I went back. Men do in fact have standards, and are in fact harder to please than women. Fujos and yumes will tolerate their men sharing a company with other women, while chadicorns won't.

>>31693806
it's simple, niji stream when they want, hololive has fixed hours in which they can stream so that their streams do not overlap and there is no cannibalization

you can watch only one stream at a time

die nijiscums you faggots deserve nothing but painful death

>>31705726
I can't even be bothered to check your variety of games because you have so many fucking channels to check so i'll just take your word for it. But I will watch that 1 rust/minecraft/whatever stream holos do when it's on while I will skip over the fucking endless variety streams you have for that day. There just isn't enough time in the day for your variety, and it's still not as much variety as an indie has so what's even the point. Now you might say to just follow 1 liver but why do that when I can follow multiple and still be able to digest their content.

HoloEN you get made to feel like you're ridiculous for wanting streamers to stream and not cone across like they'd rather be doing anything else than spending time with their audience. NijiEN the girls at least genuinely enjoy their work and interacting with their audience and trying to get them to spend time with you isn't like getting blood from a stone

>>31705717
Haven't looked much into the issue since I don't really give a shit, but
>Pomu receives birthday message from Kiara, can't show it on stream
>Kiara receives the picture of Pomu's purse, shows it on stream
seems to indicate the block is mostly on Niji's side at the very least

Most of the Nijis are kind of boring but Pomu is really good for something to watch when Holos aren't on.

>>31706115
Nothing ever confirmed it was from Kiara.
And just like >>31703111 this anon said, she used to freely namedrop her before.

Do you ever notice it's always Pomudachi making these threads? Maybe it's because Pomu's channel has only grown slightly while the rest of NijiEN is booming.
Meanwhile Enna is growing quickly due to her own talents and doesn't need to beg Holobronies to watch her because she doesn't need a Holobrony audience.

>>31705425
I don't know but it's a general nijinigger thing

Hey niji fans who plays rts game or rpgs. I watch streams rarely. recently watching cursed halo streams. I’m starting to feel like most female streams just play what ever is popular and that is boring.

>>31705921
That is such a buzz kill cause I usally like much longer streams

>>31706183
Pomu still namedrops here. In fact, Pomu did a room review stream shortly after her birthday, and showed off a ton of rooms with official hololive merch and called out many members by name (including Kiara, Ame, Ina), with no issue whatsoever. And none of the merch was censored or trimmed from the VOD.

>>31706297
Elira just finished Xenoblade 2 in preparation to start Xenoblade 3 and has an ongoing earthbound playthrough nearing completion. She's also playing the new AI Somnium Files games and is think of playing Ace Attorney after that. She is playing cult of the lamb too so I guess that's one popular streamer game but I wouldn't be surprised by her playing that either way given how much she's enjoyed games like hades, ftl and into the breach in the past.

>>31706361
well that would be too obvious

>>31706183
Sure but, who else could have been realistically speaking?

>>31706232
I will never understand the weird obsession some people have with getting others to watch chuubas outside of Hololive.

>>31694674
I like to think that people making these threads do so because they felt the same feeling of confusion I did when I first started watching NijiEN after really being into HoloEN, and immediately wondering to myself why I ever bothered watching the holo girls for this long. It feels like most of them don't even want to be there 90% of the time, it's depressing to see.

>>31706297
Hey, if you want rts streams, lumi is the queen of rts >>31698075

>>31706394
Almost all of that sounds awesome especially ftl

>>31706401
No one knows. It could also be someone asked not be shown on the stream.

>>31706402
maybe because people who actually watch vtubers have a better frame of reference? They're not blatantly ignorant or have columbus syndrome and thinking the cover founded/invented everything first? Just a thought

>>31706405
I really like Korone in 2019 but when english showed up I tryed them out and they really do just seem like they hate it.

>>31706297
Reine Pavlovia plays almost exclusively long RPGs and VNS. Here's a sample of some of her games. She recently finished TGAA 1 and 2, is currently playing AI: The Somnium Files, and has gotten into Age of Empires II if you like that RTS fix. She also played the entire Uchikoshi Zero Time Dilemma series on stream.

>>31706533
You're mentally ill. I just want you to know that.

>>31706533
Except what does it matter to you or them? Why does someone choosing to watching a Holo talent over a Niji/Vshojo/Etc - matter?

>>31706405
No. You're mentally ill.

>>31706402
literally inferiority complex, see >>31706533

>>31706402
Fr like, why even force holofags to watch niji when they clearly don't have any intention to do so? Why not just promote your chuuba's to people who haven't tried to watch any vtubers? Like, make clips or shill their fan arts to other social media if you can't do clips. I don't think it's that hard if you really want to support them. I mean I'm a clipper myself and started doing so back when EN debuted. My clips don't even get 30-40 views for months but I still continue to upload since I don't really care about that. All I want is to do something to the chuuba's that I support. Today my clips get 30-40k views sometimes even go up to 100-200k. Most of the viewers were Hololive fans but there's definitely people who's new even if they're just few.

>>31706672
It matters when vtubers are the topic of discussion like in this very thread and to avoid stupid responses. Why are you getting mad if people treat you like an idiot when you have no problem being blatantly ignorant? You can't have both

>>31706736
Because it's more that they want to see hololive lose fans rather than their own base gaining fans.

>>31706792
But you're the ignorant one? Who's the idiot here?

>>31706562
oh HoloJP is a whole different animal, they're pretty sweet, but unfortunately I don't speak japanese so naturally I gravitated towards EN.

>>31706792
yeah but if the holo reddit community was cut off from the rest of the vtubing reddit community (as stated in that pic) why do they care? They aren't even talking in the same place.

>>31706838
329 reply thread and still no measured response as to why holocontent is "better". You literally can't explain it because you don't watch anything but hololive

>>31706910
If we're measuring variety of content and hours of streams, many indies and small corpos mog both corpos. Why aren't you watching them instead?

>>31693806
>Stream more and all the time
>why won't more people watch nijiEN?
You answered your question yourself. Holos are sloshing their entire fanbase from one stream to another while each Niji has their own fanbase that is unlikely to show up on a stream of other Nijis.

>>31706910
I already watch Pomu and Millie you absolute retard. This is why no one likes beggars like you. I don't give a fuck about the rest of NijiEN.

>>31695950
I love this Chinese songbird like you wouldn't believe

>>31705425
OP's "argument" here is that holos stream less and that makes them inferior streamers.
How does streaming more make someone a better streamer?
I don't think Kaela is a a more entertaining streamer than let's say Kobo just because she streams more.
Kiara streams more than Gura but she can never be as entertaining.
people watch xqc because he is entertaining. he streams a lot, too.
it's the same reason why people watch Gura. She's just entertaining, difference is doesn't stream as much.
Shit I even get recommended nijiEN all the time even though I mostly watch holoEN.
I tried to watch the nijiEN girls, too but guess what?
I go back to holoEN because they are more interesting to me.
People have chosen who they WILL watch and who they WON'T watch based on their preferences.
More people prefer holoEN. That is a fact.
You will never know how many people tried to watch nijiEN from holoEN through recommendations, but that info is available only to the channel.
nijiEN streamers know how much of their audience are from holos. their management knows.
IF that info somehow gets leaked, I bet my balls that nijiEN girls' videos have gotten a lot of recommendation visits/clicks from their rival company's streams.
Did holo watchers stay? Yes, maybe, but not a lot, as proven by their ccv/subs or whatever popularity measurement you choose.

>>31704125
And? If you are niji fan you most likely don't give a shit. It's only holobronies who piss themself when a male interacts with them on twitter.

>>31707061
No one cares about twittershit except for dramafags and you know it.

>>31707061
Are you sure about that?

>>31706999
>dubious claim
>attack on person
>still no argument

Also hypocritical when people bring up niji marketing as "not hololive" when holofans constantly market holo as "not western whores"

>>31707130
Ah okay, you're a false flagging holobrony. There's no way an actual Niji fan would be this dumb.

>>31693806
Honest answer here. I started watching vtubers streams since 2019 and a that time didn't even knew or cared to research about the corpos and just watched whatever vtuber I could find.
Until I joined /jp/ because it was one of the few places to talk about vtubers back then. It just happens that the Nijisanji anons at that time where so toxic that eventually made me stop watching the Niji streams because I wanted to avoid the toxic enviroment from something I was just discovering. Since then I never went back to any Nijisanji stream or related content and now only watch other corpos except nijisanji and... vshojo but that's another story.

>>31707173
this guy has been here counting posts looking for someone to argue with. sorry it looks like hes one of yours nijiniggers.

>>31707173
nice pivot but still not an argument

>>31706792
Why are you projecting me being "mad", anon? I asked a pretty simple question.

>>31707207
They are still so toxic, there's still 1 nigger in here fighting his own fanbase lmao.

>>31707088
Sure yumenos are cringe I give you that. But I was talking about girl's fans specificaly. And even that is pretty insolated case.

>>31707335
this is happening on twitter while most of holobrony seething is happening here. They do not equate. When has any seething from here gotten addressed by a holotalent while those posts from twitter was enough to generate a response by the actual talents involved

>>31707270
yeah these holofans bashing their own for asking questions are pretty bad

>>31707270
Nah you don't get it at all. Back in 2019 the Nijisanji fans on /jp/ followed the standard rules of 4chan of not spoonfeeding newfags and telling people to lurk more or fuck off if they're being obviously new. So a lot of the people just discovering hololive around that time got butthurt that they got that kind of response when they asked questions. The Nijisanji fans on /vt/ are nothing like that. If you ask them to shill you a girl or recommend you a member like X you'll probably get genuine answers quite easily from people that just want to promote what they enjoy.

>>31707207
I think community is an important part of streaming circles. Cultivating a welcoming one is good.
Getting into Nijisanji through /jp/ would've been horrible because of how harsh the gatekeeping was/is, but it was better for discussion and better for keeping fans in line.
It's a bit of a different story on Twitter. If someone mainly finds that sense of community through 4ch, it's going to be hard to get that from Niji.
This has obviously shifted with the more welcoming Nijisanji communities on the board as Nijisanji expanded, but it's interesting nonetheless.

>>31707480
Explain this entire thread and all the other bait posts

>>31707502
Entire thread is people avoiding discussion and getting mad while frantically going through their entire dialogue tree

>>31707502
There's nothing about this thread that isn't consistent with my post.

>>31707480
This. They were very staunchly against spoonfeeding.
If you got any little thing incorrect, you'd be chased out as well kek.
As someone who used both threads it was funny seeing newfags get chased out before crying in the /hololive/ threads.

>>31707577
Honestly there's no reason why this should even get 300+ replies with how much it reeks of bait. /sage

>>31707652
It shouldn't have, but I kept this thread open from the start to check in on it and every so often, someone who wasn't a new IP would come into the thread, pretend they were a new poster, and vomit drivel onto the thread to bump it, always with the same few talking points.

>>31693806
>>31695093
Pretty much this OP, there's about 50? odd Holos, and the Holostars, the managers, various mamas and a few indies and such they associate with. If there aren't any HoloEN streams then I can just watch a collab with Towa I missed, or the english Holografs, or clips of Marine being a perv or whatever. Meanwhile there's fucking dozens of NijiJPs I can't keep track of and now every new NijiEN gen has 4-6 new people, many of which seem pretty mediocre. I was more than fine with giving Elira, Pomu, Selen etc. a chance, but with half a dozen new people every few weeks, it's just too much. And yes, having to keep track of all of them does matter. A lot of content (like the recent baseball thing) relies on me giving a shit about these dozens of people I've never even heard of, and the newer gens are constantly collabing and popping into each other's streams. The fact that there's even more coming puts me off already. If they had stuck to smaller gens at a slower rate, would I watch more of NijiEN? Probably, but it is what it is. Also, it might have something to do with Dunbar's number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

>>31708811
It's never really been a problem for me. I just learned about all the members slowly over years. I never really got why some people seem to think they need to be an expert before they start watching. I doubt any hololive fan knew all 80 or so members they have now before they started watching them did they and I doubt any hololive fan actually keeps tabs on all on them either.

>>31693806
there are shit streams made by shitty streamers all time every day, why should i watch any of it

>>31709052
>I doubt any hololive fan knew all 80 or so members they have now before they started watching them did they and I doubt any hololive fan actually keeps tabs on all on them either.
and this is why Nijifags will never succesfully convert Holofags because they genuinely think that someone keeping tabs on everyone in hololive is something impossible

>>31709663
It is impossible in any meaningful sense.

>>31709788
this is what nijifags actually believe

>>31709805
It's actually true. If you think you are keeping tabs on someone by seeing a 30 second clip of them once a month and reading what other people say about them on 4chan then you might as well say that just being aware they exist is enough to act like you watch them.

>>31709869
>just being aware they exist is enough to act like you watch them
Yes

https://youtu.be/4DO04bA4cCE

>>31710633
ewiwa love!

some enna and millie
https://youtu.be/Fc-NH2jrO6s