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This one.

I'll need to read /wah/'s lore again. I wonder how krakens interact with coral reefs.

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>>31610794
Lunaito...

you cant prove who made this thread
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SEX WITH SQUIRRLES
ABANDON REASON HAVE SEX WITH SQUIRRELS
ABANDON SCIENCE HAVE SEX WITH SQUIRRELS
ABANDON LOGIC HAVE SEX WITH SQUIRRELS
LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCTS AND FUCK THAT SQUIRREL PUSSY
DO IT FAGGOT

i want to lock kindredsis up in the /meat/ butchery and cut her up into delicious juicy pieces for eating

Delicious bread made by a delicious shota. Good work.

If Emma is still here, I could elaborate more on the religion part!!!!! I've been looking into asian religions so I'm really interested in what you and alice can make!!!!

>>31611368
I’m like filet mignon. Expensive and high in fat.

>>31611602
Kindred, you are not about to tell me you’re the other Kyomie.

>>31611368
Compared to the other kindred I’m pretty lean, not a lot of meat on me…

>>31611710
Kek I’m not one of the Kyomieposters. I just love watching him. I absolutely fucking love the Kyomieposters though so please keep doing what you do.

>>31611374
good thing the creepy shota is asleep

>>31611602
>>31611786
what do you girls think of the /meat/ anons fetishes?

>>31611818
Fascinating. I will.
>>31612289
Founder isn't creepy, he's just not my preferred shota.

>>31611786
Aww don't worry about it. Body shape doesn't matter, as long as you are nice and submissive...

>>31611492
Feel free to nerd out a bit about it, sweetie, I'm sure emma would appreciate it. She's a brit and said she usually likes working in the morning anyway, so chances are she will come on in a few hours. And if she doesn't notice, I'll bounce it off to her.

>>31612687
As far as I’m concerned, they’re my friends. I’m a pretty squeamish person and I don’t do too well with gore most of the time, but I played a player-insert VN once that involved the player being tortured by yandere men and I got pretty into it. I think all the fetish anons here are cool as hell.

>>31612748
/meat/heads are creepy by default

>>31612687
It isn’t my cup of tea but I find it interesting!

>>31612818
Don’t be too flirty with my sweet Kindred or I may go yandere.

Worldbuilding thread btw!! Let's leave our horny for the bump limit, eh? And you better be there for it, cutiegoon, you got classes to attend...

>>31612818
Cunt!? Remember bump limit

>>31613255
Encouragement sweetie, just encouragement.Not like you aren't equally submissive. But I will keep my hands off as long as you keep your claws off my dragoon OK WORLDBUILDING THREAD FOR REAL NOW!!

>>31611786
All Kindreds are breedable.

>>31613637
Oh wait you were talking in terms of actual meat. My apologies.

>>31613637
It’s what we were built for. I don’t serve any other purpose.

Anyways, I was thinking of food within the cult. Obviously people need to eat, especially when so much of the population is eating for two… Like everything else in the cult, the crops are a joint effort between everyone able-bodied enough (meaning people who aren’t currently pregnant/recovering from pregnancy) to maintain the crops like a community garden type situation. Take what you need and give back however you can, whether it’s through volunteering your time or taking food to others ie the pregnant mamas currently occupied with resting and preparing for birth. I envision the crops as one of the first projects for the children to help with as well— like a school garden scenario where older children (5-10) are taken to the crops by the mothers and babysitters and shown how to care for things and tend to crops— weeding, field rotation, watering, all that. I’ll get this in a rentry eventually once I can get some feedback from the other Kindred/Comfy/ anyone really and do more research on the types of crops we’d grow. I know Climatebro has already told me we’re a semitropical climate similar to southern USA, but I’d like to see what neighboring nations grow too.

GOODNIGHT FUCKERS! HOOMAN STORY TOMORROW! REMEMBER TO FUCK SQUIRRELS

I'm interested in seeing how each thread would interpret their own catalognaut's abilities in relation to their chuubanite so that cool battle scenes can be written nora.
For a Candy Kingdom catalognaut, I slightly worry that my vision of it is too similar to Mistborn but I imagined them to be able to use candyification to candyify objects into sugar as a base form. This would be both creating weapons from condensed hard sugar and creating reinforced sugar on or underneath armor in order to protect from heavy impacts.
My idea is that when other candies are ingested, those candies can then be used in order to candyify other objects and the properties of those candies carry through. Eat some pixie dust before a fight and now you can make your sword strikes and punches explosive. Eat a bit jolly rancher and you can reinforce your shield in red candy. Maybe Pop Rocks can create a concussive blast that can be used as a sugar powered leap to shoot into the air or maybe they can be used to launch stones with the force of a small cannon.
The downside to this is that mixing certain candies can change the effects that they would have and in some cases, back fire tremendously. Assuming that the catalognaito doesn't outright explode if they mix pop rock and pixie dust, whenever they try to apply the pixie dust to a sword or use the pop rock for a burst forward, they might accidentally blow off their limbs or slam themselves into a tree and shatter their skull.
I feel like there's a few parts that I might be missing here slightly and that might need some more work but I also think the general concept is there. What might your catalognaut's look like, nanora?

>>31612818
I will soon!!! I just took a shower and I'm probably going to sleep again!!!!
>And if she doesn't notice, I'll bounce it off to her.
Tyty!!!!!!!

>>31613304
Maybe I will!!!! I've been a bit busy nowadays!!!

>>31613525
????????

>>31614830
That sounds fun as fuck, Lunaito, gives you a lot of room for various powers. Could use molasses powers to trap enemies in sticky messes. Molasses+pop rocks for sticky bombs, the possibilities are endless...
Moriji catalognauts abilities would basically be deadbeatification turned up to 11. The more powerful they are, the harder, stronger, and denser their body gets. They also become extremely attuned to how the concept of Death interacts with the world. At lower levels, they might be able to feel that something just died nearby. A bit more and they'd be able to tell that someone is dying through a lot of their cells dying, like through necrosis, poisons, starvation. At the highest levels, they can take what the ability perceives and estimate how long a person has to live, even including dynamic situations such as fights. It works out to a mild but not 100% accurate form of precog, since it doesn't actually read the future, only computes a result based on the present. For the record, I got the idea without thinking of Death Note shinigamis, though I noticed the similarity afterwards.

>>31614075
Kindred, pregnant women need a very precise diet as you might already know. We architects are expert nutritionist and have spent years researching the best diets for expecting women, we'd very gladly send some of our professional maternity doctors and yoga experts your way. Perhaps even a shipment of maternity meal products and cook books?

Yo anons, I'm working on the kits for /vtl/. Pic rel is our current kit. It looks fine, but if one of yall feel graphic designy and wants to put together some sort of pattern, feel free to go for it.

>>31616447
Architectbro, representative of the best fetish general on all of /vt/. Good to see you. Your services would certainly be appreciated… anything to help the pregnancy process.

Emma!!! I'm going to be basing a lot of this stuff off Guénon and Evola since you can really mold them in a worldbuilding/fantasy scenario!
The Emperor is the figurehead of the state and religion, right? In other words, he is the main symbol of the nation.
Let's go back a bit in time to understand the spiritual implications of this. In Hinduism, there is the notion of Cakravartin, meaning "Wheel-turning King". In summary, it implies the idea of a main symbol, or universal ruler, of all things. According to Evola, that means:
>Its motionless center signifies the spiritual stability inherent in those who are not affected by this stream and who can organize and subject to a higher principle the energies and the activities connected to the inferior nature.
The king/emperor is an organizer of the earthly realm! If you remember the quote from earlier, it was believed that the pharaoh, for an example, was the divine intermediator between the gods and the people.
I almost got carried away and started talking about symbolism when I realized that I still don't know what's the kind of materialistic culture you're going for ;w;

>>31616284
>REAL FUCKING NEATO
Absolute embodiments of the grim reaper makes total sense for /morig/, I'm not sure how I didn't realize that. They sound like a mix between the Terminator and the Night Lords, hyper proficient killing machines that have a near 100% fatality rate when they're set out to take a life. That's not even taking into account that Deadbeats are already pretty damn good in combat to begin with.

Does your country have any domesticated animals or exotic pets?

>>31617833
>Night Lords
Yep, that's exactly the idea! The goal with /morig/ lore is always maximized chuunibyou, after all. Love the vibe of those night lords, I thought WH40k deadbeats might be some form of dark eldars, but those guys are a better fit.

Hello /vtwbg/!
I've been thinking about what kind of mounts would Palkyries ride, and reindeer and moose seem to be the best options barring horses or other fantastical beings. The issue's that I don't think they can carry as heavy a weight as horses, maybe because they weren't domesticated or bred as mounts since early horses had the same issues. Google search suggests that male reindeer can carry ~90 lb on their back, and I assume moose can carry a bit more since they're larger and heavier. I also looked into the weight of smaller plate armour to estimate how heavy a Palkyrie plate armor would be, which comes out as about 25 lb, as a three-quarter plate armor for a 12-year-old Edward VI weights about 18 lb. Because of that, a reindeer carrying a fully-armored Palkyrie but without its own armor would have to weight <65 lb, which correlates to a human that's ~4'6 tall, or about 1' shorter than the 17~18th-century average.
My questions are whether this height and weight would pose significant issues when it comes to fighting, and if it's a fair depiction of /vnug/ given that neither the vtubers nor the thread has anything to do with short/small people, and the possum people itself's already kind of a stretch

>>31616949
Do not worry, we will make certain that your kindred and their children are well fed and that they're born strong and healthy, of course we will need to do frequent check ups and treatments. Many traditional architect belly and breast massages by trained masseurs to prevent growing pains, special ointments applied about the body to encourage strength in the womb and proper development, and of course a fine array of foods and specially crafted milkshakes to treat morning sickness along with aiding in digestion.
We will do well to assure that things go smoothly, no craving shall be dismissed and no desire ignored. By the time one pregnancy is over, your women will be begging for another one to begin.

>>31619806
I think Moose are much bigger than you think, they'd have no issues carrying two hundred pounds on their back. Moose are fucking enormous. A palkyrie could be standard human size and be carried by a moose.
Also, since there have been people living in that region for a long time, it's plausible that moose would have been domesticated in the same way horses were, to make better mounts.

>>31619806
I dont know much about weight (i pronounced lb as illeble's up into high school because I didn't know that was supposed to mean pounds, nanora) but my google searches say that reindeers can carry around 300 pounds, I don't think an armored reindeer would have too much trouble in some armor since they carry sleighs and stuff
>>31618942
I really wanna see a deadbeat catalognaut in action now, carving through a sea of barbarian raiders and leaving a cemetery in their wake. Maybe even as an assassin that drops down in the dead of night and kills with such precision and silence that not even the victims themselves knew they were dead when it happened.

>>31620455
Oh. I guess I was probably basing it on smaller ones instead of bigger ones. Would moose being solitary creatures be an issue when it comes to domestication?

>>31621207
I think the 300 lb figure's for their pull weight limit, which is relevant for sleds but maybe not for direct riding. War sleds sound kinda cool but I'm not sure if it's practical for fighting since chariots went out of fashion a long time ago

>>31621866
It will probably make it harder to put together herds of moose early in the domestication process, but this seems like something that could be worked out of them in a few generations. Elephants are difficult to keep and raise as mounts, but it is done all the same. A part of domestication includes breeding animals that have fewer antisocial behaviors to make captivity easier.
>>31621207
Oh, that sounds awesome. Both of those would be in their modus operandi, for sure. #1 death providers, satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.

Something funny about the fact that my first work since returning home is going to be smut.

>>31614830
Aaaaaaaaa I wanna tell you about our catalognauts but I can't, lest I meme another writer into existence who the thread will push into completely ignoring me!!

>>31623301
Pan pan!

>>31623253
Wanna make this a competition? I'm gonna start work on mine in about an hour once I get home. Let's see which one the thread likes more in the end kek

>>31623553
Yea what's up Rep?

I'm going to sleep now!!!! Gn everyone!!!!

>>31623655
If you insist, although I am more writing it to get the thoughts out of my head.

>>31624103
Sleep well love!

>>31623655
I guess if the wandering bread dog has Sana chuubanite in it then technically it could count as a catalognaut. Bread dog can use the chuubanite's power to change his direction mid-air like a platformer character and Goomba stomp bad guys. Perhaps you could use this power to use. Though if you're talking about /mans/ then I have nothing. Maybe you could look into /mans/ chuuba's classes and come up with powers that way?

And no it is not gravity manipulation. More like rocket propulsion with energy instead of gas.

>>31623093
I'm not too sure if you can breed solitariness out of animals. I think cats are the only successful ones and they kinda domesticated themselves? I read that Russia has a moose farm that's kinda functional but about half of their moose ended up escaping or disappearing, which I don't know if it's comparable to more ancient domestication attempts
I think we can still make it work but part of me wants to see if being small people would be too problematic both in combat and in thread representation. Thank you for your feedback though!

>>31624103
Good night!

>>31624189
Haha oh this will be glorious. Also, same, I need to get this out on paper...

>>31616284
death sense would actually make for some fucking amazing scenes of tension
>catalogbeat takes a mission to assassinate local tyrant
>is scouting the gates to their manor after taking out watch towers
>spots the tyrant in the gardens and can taste death in the air. From his spot in the trees he's confident that he can bypass the gates with a leap and in a few strides, he could-
>"Oh hi"
>a Hooman girl that was not there before is perched on a branch not to far away from him
>the taste of death has become overpowering, flowing past the sensation of taste to a throbbing silent shriek in his ear drums. It is as if he was staring at his own corpse grinning at him with bone white cheeks eaten away by vultures. Despite not knowing how or why, staying in the position he was now in relation to this hooman would give him a 99% mortality guarantee.
>He tightens his grip around his scythe and stares at this demon.
>"How's it going?"

>>31623301
put it in a spoiler nanora?
>>31623253
respect

>>31613032
/meat/ is only creepy if you remember what we do behind closed doors.

>>31624266
Neither, friend. Kek, that's why I said I can't talk about it or another writer will pop up. My new oshi is a secret for now. And no, it's not the guys, I'll leave that to vespieBro. All I will say is that lunaito catalognauts would be the best match up for them, while deadbeats would probably fare pretty well against them, maybe even have the upper hand...

>>31624301
If you go for smol Palkyries and go for reindeers instead, that does take care of the solitary issue, since they're herd animals! Plus it would be cute. I think you can reasonably justify whichever path you prefer.
>>31624356
You get it! So many possibilities!
>junior catalogbeat fighting a stealthily reanimated corpse
>>Huh? But you are already dead!
>Omae wa mou, shindeiru
>catalogbeat fighting their target, the target's mortality is increasing rapidly
>recognizes them as an old friend, his mortality drops to 0... But catalogbeat's mortality starts shooting up.

Smol Palkyries remind me of Kirby enemies. They're round and cute.

>>31624871
Okay then. I stick with funposting about cute animals tonight.

I hate captcha
>>31625003
Must resist the urge to comment on a post about liking smol people with Calli attached
That's actually why I thought about reindeer first! I think at least two people (Dukha and Nenets) have domesticated reindeer historically and my data on reindeer carrying capacity's from the wiki article on the Dukhas
I think I'll ask thread on whether the representation's a problem too

>>31625314
Speaking of writing, did you see my outline for our ending btw? Forgot if you commented on it and I'm on my phone rn so I can't really check.

>>31625577
I saw it. I fell asleep which is why I didn't comment. Sorry about that. I'll see what I can do. Going to focus on finishing Lazulight's crops for now.

>>31625788
Oh, don't worry, writing that piece is on me, you focus on your own stuff. I just wanted to hear if you have any thoughts about the flow of t or any other feedback.

I know smol Palkyries are portrayed with swords, but I wonder if they can use spears. I'd imagine spears would be super useful when floating around. Axes might be too heavy for them in the air.

>>31626697
My original idea's that Palkyries mostly use something like a bardiche which is kind of a mix between axe and polearm. This came before we know how Palkies look like, although I don't think Palkyries would actually be able to float since they're still humanoid larger than Palkies. I also kinda suspect only being able to float without ways to move around quickly would be more of a detriment when it comes to fighting
I base Palkyrie fighting method somewhat on insect glaives from monhun, which is Liora's weapon of choice in the franchise even though she plans to stick with SnS in her MHR run. It's probably less flourished than in the game so I imagine it'll be both a chopping and thrusting weapon. While I don't intend Palkyries to fly, they're pretty light and nimble with a prehensile tail, so in their native forest environment they can probably sweep around in the air almost like they can fly, at least for a few hits before they get exhausted

>>31628479
What I do know is that Sana would love Palkyries. She loves round cute things. Its off-topic I know. But I want to hug a Palkyrie.

>>31629541
That would be palkies rather than the Palkyries since I imagine the latter as humans with possum bits more similar to Risuners. I haven't completely decided on how much palkies in this world resemble the actual design yet as being too round and floaty might hurt its ability to double as palicos

Word cloud for last bread.

>>31616284
Average Deadbeat catalognaut
https://youtu.be/oR794_QBmug

Good night all. Hijinks shall continue tomorrow!!

>>31624356
Imagine a catalognaut standoff between an Deadbeat, a Hooman, and a Meathead

>>31631704
Can confirm, Inferno Cop is Moriji canon.
>>31631800
Good night!
>>31631909
That would be fun. What sorta things would a Hooman catalognaut do?

>>31632220
If possible I would like some hooman catalognauts to grow wings as a side effect of chuubanite's effect which makes you look similar to the affiliated chuuba. But we still haven't even established the main effect of our chuubanite yet. I had a couple ideas that were suggested in the thread saved but those would need to be ironed out more I think. For now I guess super photographic memory, enhanced vision and senses and physical strength? Sounds boring but based on those old suggested effects it's kind of hard to give them a "unique" ability.

>>31632479
Maybe some kind of affinity to technology? Ability to spread the plague?

>>31632220
>>31632479
Civilization and enlightenment is brought by mentality and society. Moom's chuubanite could be related to the concept of mentality and cooperation I guess?
Passive radiation gives greater mental clarity, intelligence, photographic memory, vigor between people.
Beneficial application is to see visions of technology and knowledge far beyond their comprehension, euphoria, mania.
Malicious application is the opposite. Degradation of psyche, leeching away other's vigor, psionic attacks. Behavioral, cognitive, and emotional manipulation?
With 'civilization' as a theme concept, Moom chuubanite powers feel less one on one and more group/cooperative. A mumei worshipping catalognaut is a support class on crack

>>31632766
For the ability I would like it to be more closely related to the thread. Still need to investigate and mull over the example provided in the chuubanite doc more to brainstorm more ideas.

>>31632837
Yeah I did had a similar idea quite a while back but I never wrote it down. Chuubanite command staffs are used by commanders to boost the morale of troops or whatever.

>>31632837
Sooo this?
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Mister_Negative_(Earth-616)

>>31632950
Kek. Revolution in a can

>Hooman catalognaut turning an entire division of enemy soldiers into crying, scared, ptsd babies
>One person standing, this should be easy
>He focuses his mind on breaking that survivor
>Nothing
>The survivor gets closer
>It's a meathead attache
>She pulls out a flask and takes a chug of ego-death juice
"Pathetic" she smirks

>>31633663
>Pulls out a pistol and shoots her in the head

>>31633663
>Hooman catalognaut turning an entire division of enemy soldiers into crying, scared, ptsd babies
>One person standing, this should be easy
>He focuses his mind on breaking that survivor
>Nothing
>The survivor gets closer
>It's a sapling
>Turning him into a crying, scared, ptsd baby changed literally nothing

>>31634454
More like
>The survivor gets closer and collapses, death by heart attacks and aneurysm
>It's a sapling

>>31635085
Saplings are trees, they can't have those.

>>31575134
Yeah, from the mechanics perspective pure vitubium having the highest VRI makes perfect sense.

>Vitubium and dampeners have a Vitium wave absorption spectrum. All other materials simply don't have an interaction with them.
That is indeed very spicy. I need to think about that a bit, and what it implies for interactions. I like it though.

Do you think we could have each individual nation's chuubanite have a unique absorption spectrum? Because that would be cool. in my opinion. I guess the fact that each nation's chuubanite emits "concept radiation" (the magical radiation) would naturally mean that each nation's chuubanite has a unique emission spectrum, but its not so obvious whether this would mean that they have unique absorption spectrums, as the Vitubium in the chuubanite is essentially the same between all of them, only the magic quanta differ.

There are some other things that are sort of handwaved at the moment, like why can magic quanta exist outside of the vitubium particle inside chuubanite. I thought this could be explained by vitubium creating a few atom-wide area of space where the vitium field is strengthened (think of Vitubium as being an electric pole projecting field-lines around itself), allowing Vitium Entities and magic quanta to exist in the physical realm in areas where the field-lines are dense. This is a bit hand wave-y explanation, but it is an explanation.

The greatest handwave however in my opinion is how exactly does the conceptual information of "fire" turn into a fireball when magic quanta are annihilated. I cant really come up with explanations so this might be the thing we actually need to handwave.

>spoiler
Im glad you enjoy it. Chuubanite autism is one of the greatest pleasures this thread has given me.

>>31575505
Influencing the soul might be the way. I thought doing mind altering effects would be a bit simpler for nasfaqg chuubanite since the idea was for it to emphasize people's desires, as well qwl cause personalized multi-sensory hallucinations.
I have not seen shin sekai yuri.

Im not averse to the tattoo idea personally, but I wouldnt want to cover a character in them permanently. Do you think you could have small permanent tattoos in key locations on one's body, and during the signing ritual you'd paint the person with temporary glyphs? The small glyphs could be like some sort of "anchor" glyphs on the person, whilst the glyphs that are painted all around the person's body during the signing ritual are the identifying glyphs that (correct me if my thinking is wrong) establish/create/locate a person's individual concept in the conceptual realm.
>DNA
So, blood pacts. Works for me. A person's DNA shall then (if this get canonized) be the (artificial) activator substance. I'm not sure what an "artificial activator substance" is, could you elaborate?
>chuubanite being common enough to be inside most people to some degree is also an expectation
That is entirely doable, and in fact was already in the plans, and the effect has made an appearance in a story already. Nasfaqg chuubanite can exist in gaseous form which means that it could be in the air. Also small amounts of it probably do exist in the soil and water in the serene republic.

>>31610306
Extremely fruitful discussion, hoping these could be archived
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>>31610306
oh and ofc,
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>>31636121
Oh, varying absorption spectrums, interesting... As you say, if we consider the Vitubium to be what absorbs the wave, then that would stay the same across the board. But experimentally, Vitubium type X is emitting waves of type X, so a wave of type Y hitting it will interact with not only the Vitubium, but also the type X waves. And this interaction can vary in all sorts of ways depending on the nature of waves X and Y. I think that would affect the absorption spectrum uniquely in some ways, but I need to do some research to give a more quantitative answer. It means that there would be a unique absorption spectrum for each Vitubium type X / wave type Y interaction (though I imagine for practical purposes the interactions would be somewhat predictable in most cases).

Perhaps it could be a bit like a gravitational field, but instead of communicating a force (gravitons) it communicates magic quanta and magic interactions. I think that would work nicely, and as you say result in areas of denser field lines. We'd need to call those something other than "Vitium Fields" though, otherwise it might get confusing.

Ah, you might be right on that. I feel like there is a path; if the magic quanta's concept is contained in the wave's shape, a theoretically infinite amount information can be encoded into it. Then, as the magic quanta annihilates, you could see it as the complex wave being decomposed into its base components through a Fourier Transform. Base components would be "This quanta turns into light of X energy", "This quanta turns into heat in this particle bound to the Vitubium", "This quanta turns into momentum for this particle bound to the Vitubium", and when they're all put together... Fireball? But I agree a measure of handwaving is needed here, especially as the effects get more complex.

>>31577753
the realm itself has already been accounted for by the Heavenly Realm/Conceptual Realm/Vitium Field and Superreality.

>>31593982
SECRETARY!!!!!!!
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>>31595258
Magical contracts into quantum mechanics and what exactly an "artificial concept" would be under the quantum interpretation. Engineerbeat showed up and kickstarted the field of Vitium Optics, or "how to manipulate magical energies and waves without the use of glyphs by utilizing physical objects that interact with the vitium field". You can read about that here
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Lower being the newest post.

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>>31602219
>OGsuner actually calling chuubanite autism cool
who are you and what have you done to him
welcome back buddy

>>31604815
Do elaborate.

OHAYO VTWBG! I'm only slightly hungover. How are all your projects coming along?

>>31638114
>OHAYO VTWBG! I'm only slightly hungover. How are all your projects coming along?
Our star /vtl/ player, pregnant cultist, is complete. May god have mercy on my soul.

Good morning everyone!
>>31638114
Heya, started work on a 'chuubanite inventions' rentry last night. Gonna work on that a bit I think after some morning rituals. https://rentry.org/cd2h3
Talk in this thread's got me toying with with catalognauts and how they would work. Particularly if there'd be one unified type, or each of the four people had their own variant. Either way, I think it would be more that they are born with some sort of potential that has to be unlocked in one way or another.

Gm!!!! Another day another slay!!!!
>>31638114
Good morning!!!!

My headcanon is that artificial concepts would very specific demands
You have 3 different electric element chuubanites
1 is attached to concept of nature, organic electricity in people
1 is attached to concept of power, electrons in an electric field
1 is attached to concept of mystery, ghostly lightning balls
None of them fits the niche you want
So you program/create your own artificial glyph with the mentioned chuubanite asking for a specific concept. Like say 'organically emitting a strong electrostatic field around your body'
Bam! You just made an artificial concept for 'electrostatic levitation'
But it requires existing natural base concepts, and a complex set of demands

>>31638222

>>31638339
That's just the electric eel concept, baka.
>>31638367
Hey, you guys voted it in, strongly too. I voted it in as well, but I had but one voice among many...

>>31632837
>Hooman catalognaut just straight up gives enemies mental breakdowns, just walking up and be like-

>forgot to read this thread
>>31614830
>>31616284
>>31617833
>>31618942
>>31632479
>>31632837
As our concepts would be
>Value, Desire, Numbers, Luck + maybe something else
I really dont know what to make of these for combat. I think nasfaqg catalognauts would work way better as organizers, commanders, informants, advisors, and planners than actual combatants. They could have some level of premonition as their ability.

An extremely powerful nasfaqg catalognaut would probably appear as someone who is never truly "present", as their mind constantly wanders in the conceptual realm, and in places and times that may or may not have been, or may or may not come to be.

You would never see one in the front lines, but during a conflict you'd know you are fighting against one when your opponents seem to have an uncanny ability of always being a few steps ahead of you, as if they knew about your plans before you yourself even thought of them.

In hand to hand combat though they are useless (still catalognauts though so likely more powerful than your average non-magical being), but not a match against the more combat-oriented catalognauts.

Since we dont have an affiliated chuuba, what do our catalognauts look like?

>>31624356
KINO
>>31625003
KINO
>>31633663
KINO
>>31633791
KINOKINOKINOKINOKINO
>>31634454
>>31635085
kek

>>31618572
We do!

>>31639132
Nasfaqg as a nation tends to control events through influence, from the shadows. So I think it makes sense that their catalognauts would have a similar role. The catalogbeat would be Suzaku, the Nasfaqg catalognaut would be Lelouch. Such flow... I don't think catalognaut->looks like chuuba is a hard rule, since there are many concepts that don't have a chuuba at their core. I think they would look extremely rich most of all.

>>31637264
> And this interaction can vary in all sorts of ways depending on the nature of waves X and Y
So how I understand this, is that we wouldnt really have absorption spectrums, but we could have unique interference patterns between different types of chuubanite and vitium waves.
This would potentially open a door for some itneresting chuubanite interactions
>What happens when mori and gura chuubanite are brought close to each other, and placed in a setup that reflects, collects, and then focuses the decay radiation from both of them into a single spot?
>What sort of a magical interference pattern will we see?

Your idea works, and I think is already sort of how I imagined it. Feel free to come up with names if you have any.

>a theoretically infinite amount information can be encoded into it. Then, as the magic quanta annihilates, you could see it as the complex wave being decomposed into its base components through a Fourier Transform.
That works as an explanation, but yeah, we would still need some handwaving, but that is fine by me as long as there isnt too much of it.

What do you think of the concept information particle? It was mentioned as an idea for what the 0 energy magic quanta could be (if such a thing would exist as an approximation for concept radiation).

>>31638332
Seems promising. Looking forward to seeing how this expands.

>>31639318
>nasfaqg catalognaut is Lelouch
As a big fan, i really like that. I'd imagine nasfaqg catalognauts are particularly good at mahjong and chess, which would also reflect the thread as we have had a chess tournament and two mahjong tournaments

>>31639318
>Extremely rich most of all
So, well dressed, well groomed, well perfumed and very professional. A modest amount of expensive jewelry, rings, earrings, hair ornaments, etc.
pic kinda rel

Just had the dumbest idea, and I need to get it off my chest because it just amused me. The central theme of /mans/ chuubanite/vitubium is Phantasia (fantasy, imagination, and perception), right?
It manifests in causing creatures the populace fears to morph to reflect their perceptions of them, their own mutations come about from believing that they are in part like their 'ancestor heroes'. Similar to how Ork tech in wh40k works, because people believe that it does. A catalognaut would be able to see past their own delusions and other illusions. They'd be able to use beliefs and fears of those around them and either twist or manifest them.
This is all spitballing and shouldn't be taken as fact.

going to name my nation conceptia. i like the concept of the name and the concepts behind everything about the concepts in conceptia.

>>31639606
Interference patterns, precisely. Constructive and destructive interference as the two complex waveforms interact. Gura and Mori both have "killing" waveforms in their overall concept, so the concept resulting from the interference would be even killier. But Mori's "Eternal" concept would interfere destructively with Gura's "Youthful" concept, removing both from the resulting waveform. And then parts of the waveform, like Gura's affinity to water, wouldn't interfere with the other waveform; those parts would exist alongside the rest of the resultant waveform.

Hmm, since for all means and purposes this is the field generated around Vitubium particle, maybe Vitubic Field? Thus, a Vitubic Field is a field in the Earthly realm where interaction with the Vitium Field is possible.

Information particle for the 0 energy quanta... To get real nerdy about it all things have energy, even information. A theoretical computer with zero heat losses would still consume energy because it manipulates information. So it would be more like a "minimal energy" quanta, unless there would be a particular interest in them being a 0 energy quanta. I think this would be supported by the system quite well. Perhaps that would be the main form of magical radiation emitted by chuubanite that is not particularly active.
Also, forcing Code Geass analogies everywhere is part of my life's work, glad you respect it kek.
>>31639999
Hnng Kronii in a suit... Cute... Also nice quads. But yeah, that's how I would picture them.
>>31640219
Funnily enough, you're the second person to get an idea for Ork-esque reality warping. I think your implementation is more plausible than the "makes tech work" thing, though. It could be seen as the chuubanite contained in the creatures influencing their development through magical lamarckian evolution, a bit like deadbeats, and nudging them towards the perceptions of people in the region. If you like the idea, I think we could make it work.

>>31640390
Triangle senpai, can you explain to me how tarrifs, taxes and trade factor into a national budgets? Like for 2434 and Nijimales, we have one shared fleet between us and I am wondering how funding for this would work.

Good (almost) afternoon, this is for this thread.
>How will your two nations be different.
The map should be a good answer for you, I talked to PPsenpai yesterday with Alice and we came to the conclusion that the terrain and climate of the different regions will develop different cultures from the base imperial culture in interesting ways. Thoughts? The basis PPsenpai gave us was that the nature of terrain, and climate will cause differences in cultures that even though they may share a lot in common, upon closer analysis you will see major differences. (He said this based on his knowledge in Cultural Anthropology and gave us Appalachia vs. Tidewater as an example.)

>>31640635
Ey you Emma? Cutiegoon nerded over religion a bit for you and Alice. >>31617688

>>31640711
Yeah, that's good because I am religion nerd myself. I am sure we can have better conversations about this when I am not half asleep haha. I'll put this into our notes. Thank you.

>>31640456
Traditionally, tariffs are a pretty small part of a government's revenue, they're normally used more as a political and geopolitical tool to influence entities affected by the tariffs, such as the countries you trade with and the industries in your country. If they're a significant part of your budget, in most countries that would mean you're hurting your economy by limiting international trade artificially. Trade does not make money for the government directly, unless the government owns nationalized industries and sells goods to other countries (For example, our Québécois hydroelectricity). That will usually be supplementary income at best.
International trade makes money for the government indirectly, because trade makes money for its citizens, and the citizens pay taxes. Taxes are the main way governments make money, and that's why they're evil.
If the two countries share a fleet, it would be expected that they both contribute to its funding using their income. IRL, it's rare that two different countries would fully share a military branch though, because the chain of command would fray into two paths at the top, which is usually not ideal for centralized militaries. It's a more common setup for two countries to simply each have their fleet and collaborate closely. Oh, I guess the two chains of command could link up at the Emperor's level though.
But yeah, money's mostly coming from taxes, and unless there is a specific arrangement, I think each country would be paying for its own equipment and personnel. If one country has all the equipment and personnel and doesn't like paying that much, it might ask something else from the other country to make it more even.

Also, I'm not Triangle, I'm other Deadbeat!

>>31640390
It would work!? Holy shit, that would save me so much pain of having to come up with four seperate chuubanites, their effects and respective catalognauts. That'd be creative juices that I could spend elsewhere. Now I'm kinda interested in going down this route.
Like a Magllaecian being able to take on and wield the full six armed Glove Cloak, mirroring Magni and going beyond the records non-catalognauts have ever reached of 4. Like, taking on traits that their respective people see as stuff of legends. I'll have to go back to the drawing board for how it manifests for the others beyond just going Royal Family+, Literally Bran Stoker's Dracula, and Big Furry Brutes

>>31640866
Well, Thank you Deadbeatnasfaq(?) senpai!!!! I did hear that the US relied on Tariffs for most of their income during the 19th century. To clue you in on the fleet, our nation is technically one but it is split into two autonomous shogunates and the Imperial Navy is seperate from them because it was formed as a respond to defeats against the Watamelons and Ahoy because of lack of coordinate. PPsenpai kind of summarized this well in his suggestion.
>>Commander
Good question, since a Shogun is a Commander in Chief himself. I understand that neither Shogun is a traditional Shogun but rather the commander in chiefs of one half. I think you could have the Imperial Navy made as unified command with a good reason from history. Perhaps the Imperial Navy came about because of how the disorganized command of two at sea resulted in defeat after defeat against Watamelon and others. In this sense, the Imperial Navy is not under the command of either Shoguns, so you and emma can use it how you wish for stories. Also add this interesting idea of multiple admiralities, one in the West (not as in the Western Shogunate as much as Western Seas) and Eastern Admiralty. That would add the possibility of interesting doctrinal differences between, say the Eastern Fleet which fights phase and Western Fleet which fights ahoy and watamelons.
So our concept is that the navy gets funds from both shogunates for its purpose since they both need it but they don't have much control over how it works given the agreement that was made when it was formed. It's technically under the Emperor but something like a Shogun of the Sea directly in command. Does this make sense?

>>31640390
My brain is starting ot get fried a little bit, too much chuubanite, so I'll have to stop for a bit im also going to touch grass for a few hours

I think the interference pattern ideas have potential to be pretty fun. You could probably make "artificial concepts" this way, as the interference pattern would exist in the vitium field as well.

In this particular case, but arranging mori and gura chuubanite in the right way, you could construct a localized "killing" concept and a bunch of others that lasts for as long as the mori and gura chuubanite have juice in them. Not sure if the wave would be strong enough to be a proper concept, but it would at the very least be a weak "shadow" of a concept. No idea what effects this could have, probably nothing in real world unless something really specific is done.

>another field
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO im into that.

I know there would be some energy in it but 0-energy particle sounds extremely chuuni to me and i like it.
A "minimum energy quanta" could work better. Or, it could be classified as a completely new particle.
>Perhaps that would be the main form of magical radiation emitted by chuubanite that is not particularly active.
precisely my idea. Thought it could work as a sort of concept information carrier particle.

>>31640635
Feel like Panon is an expert at this sort of thing given his background and from hearing what he has wrote college papers on things like Partisan Rangers from a certain area being heavily influenced by their own culture. Not every nation needs to be distinct per se as that is sort of untrue to the reality of the world and I think your basis on this was your threads are basically of the same culture but share minor differences, right?

>>31640635
Highlands vs Lowlands? I can see their lifestyles being different at least

>>31641079
I am personally a fan of how that sounds. Lookign forward to hearing more.

>>31641194
>>31641288
Yeah, to elaborate, the thread differences come mainly down to several things.
>Male thread is obviously male chuubas
>Not only JP but EN, ID and KR males in Nijisanji
>Both share many similarities, as Males is sort of a breakoff from 2434. We also are pretty much sister threads.
I think the concept of what we are calling now Naichijin immigrated into the West (which may be less populated to reflect this demand) for such things as mining will lead to syncretization of beliefs while maintaining the thread culture. EN chuubas are discussed in along the lines of our thread's culture, rather than the horniness of EN generals and Nenmen. PPsenpai explained this is likely because Nijisanji Males thread has its own strong culture and knowing that we had growing pains in calming the horny down before they adapted, it makes sense.
>Highlands vs. Lowlands
Exactly! This is what he really touched on when it came to how terrain really helped us out here.

>>31640866
I've heard all about Québéc's hydroelectric grid. From what I've heard, it's basically treated as a regional achievement.
>>31641079
This is just the non-/nasfaqg/ /3/beat.
>>31640456
Either way, as he has said, the main source of income into national budgets at this point in time is taxation. However, the question is always what is taxed. Tariff, for example, is a tax on imported goods, thus putting financial burdens on your own citizens for buying foreign goods, and making them less competitive than local goods. You can also tax exports, land, have direct or indirect taxes... the devil is in the details. If you still have the feudal system in place, then the Shogunate could reasonably make money from the crownlands, owned by the state.
Regarding trade and commerce - it can provide income in two ways. Either directly or indirectly. Directly, it'd provide influx of cash by taxing imports or exports, but this has a side-effect of reducing the attractiveness and volume of trade, thus slowing down growth. There are situations in which those kind of taxes /can/ be beneficial, for example if your own country is getting out-competed by price and quality and is thus killing the national industry.
Indirectly, trade and commerce generates wealth. Properties, development of cities, enrichment of the individuals and thus different spending patterns/increased demands for the (easily taxable) luxury goods all generate massive income in the long-term. Different countries can have different strategies for tapping onto the wealth given by economic activities: for example, /nasfaqg/ is all-in on economic growth, freeing the market and collecting taxes primarily just on the Stock Exchange, the activity of which of course corresponds to how much wealth people have to throw around.

>>31641427
What kind of difference would that entails?

>>31641378
Thank you!!! I loved the idea because I don't know if this was mentioned but he said that the East might be more traditionalist in naval thought while the west would be more innovative. The story potential has been unlocked for why Louis d'Avranches might cause a lot of problems for the conservative Eastern Fleet when he goes to fight with Phase. It's really interesting to me. We also discussed the elephant in the room, being forestry given how much our religion is focused on being one with nature and after Emma's research, we realized that such concepts as Forest management would arise to meet this new challenge as the Tokugawa Shogunate did IRL, along with importing wood from nations like Pomerania and maybe haha v7 or nenmen.

>>31640996
Yeah, I think it's doable. Only thing is, to do it you must make a pact with the Devil. The Devil of Spec Bio to figure out how the people mutate into beings. But if you ask me, that's the fun part.
>>31641079
That's true, the US did make a lot of money from tariffs as a percentage of their revenue! But something to note here, the USA had no income tax during that period https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Federal_taxes_by_type.pdf/page1-800px-Federal_taxes_by_type.pdf.jpg which is why tariffs were such a large part of their income. Empires tend to have more taxes than State confederations.
I think that checks out, the Imperial navy is basically out of the hands of the shoguns and fully in imperial control, and the Empire levies asks the shogunates for money to pay for it. This would give a ton of political and geopolitical power to the Empire proper, as navies are very important.
Also, I'm not nasfaqdeadbeat either! /morig/ Deadbeat kek.
>>31641162
>mindbreaking anon with chuubanite
h-hot.
I think that checks out. Those interference-based artificial concepts would be ephemeral, but as long as you pump enough energy into them I think they could be useful.
>Quanvitium Field Theory incoming
Enjoy the grass, anon!
>>31641492
Good morning, Triangle.

>>31641541
Meta wise, the West would have distinct cultures in localities (cities are likely the same across the Empire, we detailed this in our main rentry as being a problem) and in particular the syncretization of religion would be more widespread in the west, leading to interesting results. Like you would find Kindred in the West that are not like the Kindred in the Holy Kingdom but also not like the base JP fanbases either. I set up a mechanism that allows for other writers to come in and write about a Chuuba they like in the Shinto style. Also another thing about our (Both of ours) nation is that there isn't much nationalism as we think of it, but more connections to communities, and families. This will be manifested much more in isolated areas of the west in particular.
This might help you
>Nationwide, within both Shogunates, society is rather decentralized and localized towns and settlements that formed around shrine for individual Kami. As such, the nation is rather unique for a global power in that it retains much of its feudal nature and communal nature. Natually, this also leads to vast differences between the metropolitan and rural areas of the two realms. A general rule is that most of the major cities are located on the coastline, along rivers, or at trade hubs. Another rule is that the further inland you get, the more rural and traditional society becomes. This leads to an interesting dynamic between the bulk of the population, located in the rural interior, and the cosmopolitan cities.

>The cultural gap between these two entities is on that is rising over the years and is causing internal tension in both realms. Peasants, feudal lords, local artisans and conservative Kannushi are growing increasingly restless at the perceived injustices and dishonour that comes from the rising importance of the cosmopolitan cities of the realms. Peasant revolts have happened on numerous times already, but it is just the surface of a deeper problem, that being that the traditional way of life of these people and their beliefs are perceived to be under attack by the wickedness that comes from the cities.

>>31641492
Hello Tri! You explained it pretty well I think.
>collecting taxes primarily just on the Stock Exchange, the activity of which of course corresponds to how much wealth people have to throw around.
When will we be freed from the tyranny of the broker...

Turns out the place I'm staying has internet. I still won't get to post much because I'm going to be busy with family business, but while I have the freetime I'm going to pop in and post some of the stuff I wrote on the train ride down.
https://rentry.org/MetalCocksMeatClocks

>>31641672
Hi. Also,
>Quanvitium Field Theory incoming
And here I thought we're finally heading into particle-matter interaction with the talk about spectroscopy and emission/absorption.

>>31641672
>spoiler
Bring it. That thing. Your brand of autism. I'll try to keep up and and partake, even if biology never was my strongest subjject.

>>31641826
I meant to ask about the Highlands vs. Lowlands, but thanks for the answer regardless!

>>31641492
Thank you Triangle senpai!!!!! I will write your notes into our notes blob.
>>31641672
Thank you /3/beat (Aren't you the Québécois or is that someone else?) I love the dynamics here because it makes the navy something that neither of us can truly have power over in a non-meta sense as it will operate as a third party, playing a role in the Imperial Court. Furthermore, in a meta sense, it allows both of us to have theoritical control over it for stories since we aren't doing this for powergaming but for rich lore.

Also everything that's being discussed in thread is really cool and makes me want to discuss certain ideas I have for the KFP really bad BUT If I did I'd be spoiling the story so. I guess you guys would have to wait.

>>31641922
PPsenpai could give you a much better answer considering he understands this dynamic rather well from his own culture and the way it thinks of, as he calls them "Folks down state". I think he has degree in Cultural Anthropology coping wiki because idk what it was until he explained it
>the study of cultural variation among humans.
>Anthropologists have pointed out that through culture people can adapt to their environment in non-genetic ways, so people living in different environments will often have different cultures. Much of anthropological theory has originated in an appreciation of and interest in the tension between the local (particular cultures) and the global (a universal human nature, or the web of connections between people in distinct places/circumstances)
I actually might decide to take this up as a degree in uni because it sounded so interesting to me.

>>31642060
It's definitely an interesting subject!

>>31636121
>I have not seen shin sekai yuri.
they have an interesting condition on them. i wont spoil it for you.

>>31641901
Particles? Matter? Bunch of hogwash tri, in QFT it's all fields, it's fields all the way down.
We can definitely talk spectroscopy though... Let's build some magical cyclotrons.
>>31641911
Sounds good, when you want just throw in your ideas and we can brainstorm how those people are put together.
>>31641945
That's right, I'm the QCbeat. I made the Black Fleet splintered across the whole Admiralty for similar fun narrative reasons.
>>31641841
>stygian
the thesaurus on this guy, you never disappoint. I got strong "successful disco elysium skill check" vibes from Viktor catching that pencil. Fun representation of the design process, especially having to pull specifications from the client with pliers. Good stuff!

>>31623253
>>31623655
>>31624189
God speed you magnificent bastards. I'll read both and give you my certified mesugaki opinion

>>31616284
GIGA KINO I KNEEL. Death sense is super cool. It could be really neat to have one in a meeting room, only to suddenly spot that a group of people in the rooms time towards death is rapidly declining, and have that build up to some super cool pay off. Maybe there's a suicide bomber, maybe some ones about to break in. Who knows? Or they could be fighting an imperceivably adversary that they can only evade by guessing when they're about to strike based on their death sense.

>>31638423
Human memetic kill agent...sasuga...

>>31614830
Giga Kino writing prompt Naito friend

>>31642060
I'm doing a history degree in Uni and this is something that comes up a lot.

For example Irrigation based societies tend to be really really poor in warfare since irrigation farming makes the farmer weak and prone to parasite infection, as well as being very vulnerable to control via cutting of water source, making the peasantry tend to be very weak and easy to oppress, so other than the (very small) noble class there aren't many people who can give resistance. This is why Egypt has such a humiliating military history
The current Egyptian government is the first time Egypt has had ethnically Egyptian rulers since Cleopatra (an ethnic greek) came to power

On the other hand people in areas where hunting is widely practiced, especially in colder climates, people tend to be better fighters since hunting teaches a lot of skills useful to warfare.

Anyway. I gotta go. nice seeying you lot.

Question about your nation
Which of the three do you prioritise/value most?
Species, Culture, Religion

For example /morig/
Would you accept people who were born of Deadbeat parents but converted his oshi to someone else?
What about foreigners of our race but converted to Mori worship?
How do you feel about other species (shrimp people, plant people, bird people, androids) who emigrated to Moriji or converted to Mori worship?

This also got me thinking about Catalognaut hiring process
Would you hire people who only worships and use your type of chuubanite regardless of race and culture
Or you only pick those of your species but dont mind if they convert and use other types of chuubanite

>>31636121
>I'm not sure what an "artificial activator substance" is, could you elaborate?
same as an artificial glyph, but an activator substance.
>I cant really come up with explanations so this might be the thing we actually need to handwave.
because that is what fire is. your quantum interpretation isn't the same as the dimension interpretation in this regard, but dimensions are not different universes as is colloquially understood. passing an object through the third dimension should be effectively the same as interpreted by something that exists in 2 dimensions as it would be for us 3 (technically 4-5) dimensional beings experiencing something that happened in the dimension above.
>Do you think you could have small permanent tattoos in key locations on one's body, and during the signing ritual you'd paint the person with temporary glyphs?
maybe. i think you'd need to preserve the glyphs that defined what something means for a while before it became "natural" and self-perpetuating, but having it on someone's body couldn't hurt.
where is /meat/?

>>31643462
I'm here. Been posting all day.

>>31642015
Looking forward to it kfp!

>>31643510
have we had a thread up since last time? mori is playing cult game, and there was a video from mai some time ago.

I went to check Anbennar for ideas for Vitubia
Lookie here
It's /774/!
The New World used to be a continent spanning precursor superpower, until an apocalypse broke it. The last remnants are hiding within the continent.

>>31642862
>Death sense
YES that's it! Think of the narrative kino... Sitting in an airplane, everyone's mortality starts to climb... On a date, your mortality shoots up when you bring her back to your crib... Enjoy the family.
>>31643275
/morig/ are unityfags prime. Species, Culture and Religion don't need to match. I would say religion is a bit more important than the others, as you need to at least respect the worship of Mori to be welcome. So if your religion forbids this, you'll have issues. If they can do that, people from any species and from anywhere can immigrate. Borders are open, don't even have to take a test or nothin'.
Because of their highly magical nature, I think catalognauts would be heavily regulated by the Goddess Faithful. Those guys would nurture only home-grown catalognauts of infallible loyalty and Mori-type affinity, probably. I can imagine other types of catalognauts would be allowed to operate for private interests as long as they weren't causing any trouble though.
>>31643716
/meat/ has a Mori too? Ironic... Link?

>>31643844
No no
More like Mori is playing a cult game
Which fits /meat/

>>31641841

One more thing I should do before I go.
>>31610109
its not new but if anyone is checking in for their latest installment of the Votzmich saga.

>>31643844
minori, sorry. i guess my keys didn't register for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OIwRFCpcAw

>>31643877
>>31643917
Minori playing Cult of the Lamb, how incredibly fitting kek.

>>31643983
yes

>>31642617
also I am going to breed this wigger so damn bad...

>>31644252
Get in line, kraut. This nigger of nippon is mine.

>>31643275
/meat/
Paragraphs you can correct me on this
1. Other cultures: Accepted
2. Other species: Accepted
3. Other religion: Hate
You talk different? You eat different? You make different art and crafts? Don't mind.
You have cat ears? Or rat claws? Or leaves? Or wings? Or gills? Don't mind.
But if you worship the ethereal supergods that is overpopulating the heavens and bringing us closer to the apocalypse, you are food and raw material.
This clerical nationalist mentality is also why the cult spreads fast. Foreign /meat/heads can keep wearing their fancy kimonos, lederhosen, or whatever folk costume they want as long as they reject the big pantheons.
Species is not a problem. As long as a being is sentient with a soul, they can understand ryona. In fact, other species would be able to enjoy more varieties of ryona! Dog kemonomimis would endure the sounds of the dog-whistle, Robosans would find joy disassembling themselves, harpies and lizardmen would intentionally break the eggs inside them before they lay it.

>>31642862
>Cleopatra
You mean since Artaxerxes III? The last native Pharaoh was Nectanebo II, who was overthrown in 340 BC.

>>31645015
I feel like /meat/ willingness to be welcoming to Kronies and Risuners suggests they are at the very least tolerant of other religions.

https://rentry.org/Tsukinode-Empire
I did some work on the Imperial Court and Alice just finished much of the History of the Navy.

>>31645511
true...
honor and law above all

>>31642617
I guess I should ask before I start getting too indepth, is being a catalognaut something that you're born with/have to be born with the potential for or is it something anyone technically could achieve? Is it heritable at all? Because my ideas so far would be (beyond what's already been mentioned)

>Maglleaci: Needs to achieve the fourth arm and realize that their body can still handle more, becomes a bonafide catalognaut on achieving their 6th one. This would be beneficial not only for multitasking, but for the fact that each Cloak Hand can be enchanted with glyphs. The people as a whole have taken on spider-like traits to imitate their Ancestral Hero's many arms and to symbolize the trickster aspect.

>Vestons: Certain noblemen have a much greater affinity for the 'dark gift', unlocking their catalognaut abilities as they receive it (just remembered I need to add something about that to the lore archive, or make a story of it). They might be able to use sanguimancy to some degree and partially transform themselves into something more fitting for a hunter in the night, during night at least. The people as a whole are split in to, with Thralls being the closest to ordinary humans on the island. Them and the Vestiges represent two sides of their Ancestor Hero, the outdoorsy hiker, golfer, camper, and green hand for the thralls and the more scholarly role went to the Vestiges. Being shut away in their duties made them quite pale, akin to the tales of their Ancestor Hero. Both Thralls and Vestiges begin to believe that the Vestiges are thus closer to Vesper and begin to manifest more of the physical appearance associated with the totally not a vampire... Gonna need some help on where to fit in the dark gift here though which manifests physically as purple eyes rather than the typical red for vestiges along with several smaller enhancements.

>Axols: I'm going to lend the idea Cunt gave way back here, with it manifesting through an Axol with the potential experiencing several near-death experiences through either fighting or other physically strenuous activities. Beyond the abilities I talked about first that all of them would have access to, the Axol catalognaut wouldn't recieve much in the way of special abilities or magic. They'd simply grow to an immense size by human standards, with incredible strength and durability yet also retain a level of speed and dexterity that you wouldn't expect from someone their size. For the people as a whole, the men try to emulate the man who is said to have taken on Schizo Trolls with his bare hands and the canines that are both friend of man and manage to survive in the hostile lands in the north as wolves. The women meanwhile encapsulates more what their society considers ideal based on their Ancestor Hero's tastes, yet retain the strength and the hardworking yet socially relaxed nature that the men have.

>Regii: The Royal Family was founded by a catalognaut and as far as history is concerned at least, it is the only place you'll find people born with the power of a catalognaut. They encapsulate the dominating nature of their legacy, able to issue commands that only the mentally strongest of those it is directed towards would have a chance of resisting. A low class/level catalognaut would be fairly limited in how complex or lasting of a command they could issue. Think like the command spell in DnD. For the people as a whole, their history is clouded in mystery as little to no records were kept of their past prior to meeting the other clans, and what little does exist is either vague or locked away for royal eyes only. It is said however that they were saved from the depths of hell by a blue haired Hero, seeking to redeem them.
aaand I went indepth anyway, lmao.

>>31643275
/mans/ is diverse enough that it's fairly tolerant of all three. Both of natives adopting certain parts of other cultures or starting to follow a different ancestor hero than that of the people they belong to, and of foreigners in general. That said, proselytization of foreign faiths and apostasy are both incredibly taboo as the faith is partly what gives the nation its identity and legitimacy. Undermining it would be tantamount to attempting to undermine the nation and is tried under treason. This usually leads to public hanging.

>>31644112
>>31643983
Minori is our sheep messiah!
Lets beat her up!

>>31645581
So, this is secondary knowledge, /meat/bro is the one who came up with the concept, but generally speaking catalognautness is not available to everyone, and is not hereditary. The goal being that catalognauts stay rare and nations don't do breeding programs to get tons of catalognaut super soldiers. You can see it as whenever a person is born, a million sided dice rolls, and if the right number comes up, this person has the potential to be a catalognaut. Then, the catalognaut abilities can be developed in whatever manner the thread sees fit, I think. Mind you, none of this is set in stone and the catalognaut system is still in development by /meat/bro. Paragraphs, correct me if I got any of that wrong.
All four of those paths check out to me, I especially like the dual nature of Vestons... I wonder if this results in any sociological tensions. Axols are right up my alley too, I'm very much a STR build kind of guy.

>>31646004
>sociological tensions
Maybe! Did you have something in mind? Like what would happen if a vestige behaved like a thrall or vice versa? Also I was trying to make a 'quality build' for Axols, with a slight emphasis on str (just like Axel's character sheet from debut)

>>31646630
Oh, well any time humans have multiple classes of people, interesting dynamics arise. Here, with the Vestiges being considered closer to Vesper, I could see them being treated with some reference, a bit like Hinduism's brahmins. And preferential treatment often results in envy and rancor for whoever is not getting it, could be fun.
>quality build
unbased, at least they're not DEXfags

>>31646004
>>31645581
Yeah. Catalognaut isnt bred. It's chaos theory. The only conditions you could predict is that if there are increased Schizo activities the conceptual realm might throw a bone and allow a couple more to be born this week. And even the it's random. Jannies at war with schizos in Holo? Three more catalognauts are born in VSJ for some reason.
In a high fantasy anime setting these guys would be the equivalent of heroes, casting fancy-schmancy spells.
But in this low fantasy world where magic is a practical tool, theyre seen as assets, walking chuubanite recharge stations or living computers. Ranging from generals to mentats to extremely manipulative spies and diplomats.
You won't see them pull a 'Bone of My Sword' and create a hell powered gigacannon. Most extreme is that they are able to dial up a chuubanite's potential to is absolute. Such as accelerating natural processes to the point you can mutate cells and use them like vines.

>>31645552
TIME TO READ SHIT

>>31646853
>Jannies at war with schizos in Holo? Three more catalognauts are born in VSJ for some reason.
The Conceptual Realm when someone asked why some backwater bumfuck duchy like /pyon/ or /ybc/ got 9 catalognaut babies this year while your populated and powerful Empire only had 1 for the past 3 years

>>31647307
Forgot image

I should read up on catalognauts. Seems like an interesting idea. But first Alice lore. Would us risuners have any? Could i say maybe the witches are catalognauts all along?

>>31647437
Everyone can have catalognauts. I wouldn't make your witches catalognauts, unless you're okay with only having a handful of them in the whole country. Your catalognauts might be like really powerful witches though.

>>31647494
Fair enough. Ill make a decision later. There are only a handful of witches in /risu/ anyway

>>31647437
They're not mutual.
The majority of magic users are still regular individuals. Just plug a chuubanite into a sword or arrowhead and done.
Catalognauts are unique because they are a walking conduit to the Catalog, hence the name.
A tap/outlet for Vitubium field and the Conceptual realm. A direct powerline. Like how chuubanite has vitubium particles in them and gradually receives magic quanta, these people have vitubium in their flesh, bone, blood, everything. Constantly attached to the catalog and receiving magic quanta.
The difference compared to normal magic users is that they don't need to plug in a battery into a sword or musket. Because they are already a direct powerline.

>>3>>31646828
1646828
Ah, alright. I suppose that's an avenue that I definitely can explore as the country opens up and outside ideas of what's considered fair might lead to some thrall demand recognition as embodying an equally important aspect of their ancestor. How that plays out... We'll have to wait and see. Right now there's a big enough threat lurking in the lands that their priorities lies elsewhere as long as they are safe and well fed.
>>31646853
Does this mean the criteria of being born within a certain circle being a requirement isn't valid? I guess I could simply say that non royal catalognauts among the regii are either struck from history or quickly adopted and married into the line to 'keep it connected to the Hero' while any Thrall potential catalognauts are blanket denied the required trigger to unlock their abilities due to not being of the noble class.

Oh and part of /risu/ lore.
So far I've seen that Risu's chuubanite seems to improve growth. Like the trees growing extremely fast and the Risuners adapting to the environment as they grow.
Maybe for Risu chuubanite catalognauts, their adaptation and acclimatization is very fast.
In just a day in the desert they have already shed excess fur, have more water retention, and become jerboa like.
In just a day of hiking their claws grew longer and flexibility gets better.
Attrition is not a problem for them.
These are passive powers.
Active powers? Maybe something to do with squirrel physiology and being a trickster? And also storing gems in their mouths to use gem magic.
Could see them employed as assassins

what if? Risu herself is /here/ or at least hinted to be so what if she herself is the one risuner catalognaut? And her energy is teleporting? And she can recharge it with nuts? Oh fuck there could be so many ideas i could do with this?

>>31648334
Well, she doesn't need to be a catalognaut, as a /here/chuuba she's already vastly more powerful than any catalognaut.

>>31648388
fair enough. I am almost done with Alices lore so I am just talking out of my ass. Soon I will get to them.

>>31648334
She would be level 2 because she has never actually posted as herself. On tier with Reimu, Pomu, Mito and Mori (?)

>>31648682
I assume level 1 would be like kiki right?

>>31648946
Yeah, Kiki, Koopa and similar. Also, yes, Mori is a level 2.

Imagine how weird it'll be if any of the chuubas play a TTG or whatever based off this project and discover that the people worshipped them

>>31649249
Vox discovering the cult…
Also, good morning everyone! Thursdays are the busiest for me. I have 3 classes and host office hours today.

>>31649249
>/vtwbg/ the mod gets released
>Chuubba tries it out
>Plays a different nation and erases her own worshippers from existence

>>31649249
This world really is 'what if we take eceleb idolatry too far'

>>31649492
>Before /vtwbg/
Why would i commit jihad in the name of my oshi? Unity forever!
>After /vtwbg/
There is no other oshi but mine. Death to the heretics and infidels.

>>31649616
Based. Tunnel vision and undying devotion are so beautiful…

>>31642617
I always wanted to go into the Chuubanite discussions, but it'd require a lot of free time at this point to grasp, and I have a massive backlog of threads to read with a lot of things going on IRL.
Does Vitium emit radiation once accelerated to absurd speeds? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron_radiation
>>31643275
/nasfaqg/ would not care about either of those three, since it was built by immigrants and is populated by it. Here, a much more important part is the mindset and ideology. Varying forms of collectivism are generally shunned. I'd imagine that the restrictions on who is hired depend solely on the employer, but Catalognauts would have an easy doorway to riches.
>>31644366
I wrote this post.

>>31650231
>Here, a much more important part is the mindset and ideology
Wouldnt that be native culture then?

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>>31650416
Not necessarily, since it is fairly broad. People with the same culture can hold different values while practicing the same tradition. Here, it's more about the values, meaning that if you have a Nijimale cabin boy who's ready to throw it all on the line to get rich and can back it up by developing a craft or proving his ability, he'll be welcomed as if he was born here.

>>31649378
Good morning kindred!!!!!! I totally get you!!! This month has been a bit tough!!! How are you tho???!! Are you doing good???!!!

>>31650231
Hmm probably, maybe cherenkov radiation as well, that's another classic.
Also,
>Tri is me confirmed

https://rentry.org/Tsukinode-Empire
PPsenpai has been an absolute doll to work with and has helped us so much with the maps thus far. We finished the geography section (aside from places of note and geology.) Tell me if you like it. If you missed earlier, I did some work on the government and Alice did some on the navy, in case you would like to check it out. The Map, FYI, is a work in process for the entirety of Nijisanji and NijiEN.

>>31651789
You did such a great job Emma!!!!!!!! Do you have any ideas on what the national dishes of the Empire????

>>31653217
We need to get the economy sorted out first, Alice is working on foods and minerals and I will get to them eventually, probably will use nasarep for help.

>>31651789
Looks nice, especially the Navy's history section good stuff. Just so you can fix it, it looks like Tsukushima is a bit misplaced, it's bit more to the north-west. Looking forward to more!

>>31653507
I'll see if he can move it. Thanks!

>>31653494
Sorry for rushing!!!! But have you read what I sent you!!???

>>31653729
Earlier? Yes I did. Regarding that, I think you should do some research upon Shintoism and how the Emperor fits in the picture. It's not quite in line with the Western nor the Indian line of thought as this involves naturally Confucian, Tao, Zen and Shinto thought into what his role is. I made some of the aspects of the Emperor becoming a commoner as a nice touch on how I think it should be, but him being the celestial emperor is much more in Shinto thought than anything.

>>31653507
To follow up, he says it would be a little difficult to do it because of the ocean depth lines are next to the islands (not to mention, he said since he has this in a condensed version for us and the bigger version overall it would be a real pain). He will do it, but he asks first if you could move it on your end because of the issues I mentioned (if it is easier as a cavitate.)

>>31653914
Hmmmm yes I think I've said that before in the last thread but I don't think you saw it!!! No problem though!! Let me try to explain it!! You maybe got inspired by Zhu Yuanzhang, the first emperor of the Ming!! He was a commoner that rose to the top while fighting the Yuan!!
I gave hinduist examples just to explain the so-called "natural order" of religion. If you look into ancient asian religions, you'd see the spiritual implications in religious roles: the Chinese Emperor had a Divine Mandate, Shintoism had obvious Confucian influences in the spiritual role of the Shogun, both in Minzoku and Kokka Shinto (Although the latter wouldn't be formally introduced until the 19th century)!!

Ok, so I am bringing this conversation here. It's on the matter of trade. Alice believes that we should conduct trade as two separate entities because of the meta reasons you should know already, and that ports under a shogun should be taxed by him.

I disagree because I think that the Meta reasons aren't that valid considering the concept that for simplicity, it would be better this way and furthermore for non-Meta reasons, yes the Shoguns would get a cut of the tariffs but I think the Imperial Navy would as well; and furthermore, the nation would want to keep a similar trade policy because say alice has a lower tariff on apples than I do; WIth the way things work out, apples could be sold to alice at a higher cost so she makes profit off it when she trades them with me. It makes no sense in my mind for the Shoguns to not cooperate with each other in regard to trade because of this and that such tension would lead to major problems.

>>31654533
Also to compliment what I said!!!
>'To the emperor was also attributed a "solar” principle, though with a confusing transposition of the feminine principle: his descendence came from the goddess Amaterasu Omikami.
>On this basis the act of governing and of dominating formed one thing with the cult—the term matsurigoto signifies both government and "pursuit of religious affairs”; in the context of Shintoism, loyalty—unwavering faithfulness to the ruler —assumed a religious meaning and was at the basis of its ethics. Any reprehensible, low, or criminal deed was not thought of as a transgression of an abstract, "social” law, but rather as a betrayal, an act of disloyalty, and a disgrace: there were no "guilty" people in Japan, but rather "traitors,” or people without honor.'

>>31654533
>>31654815
I see, I didn't actually get inspired by that as much as I remembered stories of European Kings doing such things to get the opinions of their subjects. I will need to have this down, but interesting things to note.

>>31654731
As you know but i am making clear, My own opinion is that if you conduct it this way logically, you must also agree mutually to any trade deal together.

Alice's main point is actually meta more than logic because she gets this position.

>>31654995
And I agreed (as you also know.) This is more of a matter of discussing this with the thread since Alice isn't opposed to this (she is AFK). I think this will make interesting dynamics where say I want a tradeport in Risu but Alice doesn't. Since we are both reps, our opinions cancel out. Could lead to competition between us as well if played differently, such as investments. She did hand the KAG over to me on a meta level so this should make it even more interesting.

>>31654092
I'm not mapanon, but it would take about 10 seconds to move the island in Paint.net, just lasso select and redraw the deep water a bit, if I was on my pc I could do it.

>>31655134
I'll do it later since I am not home right now.

its going to be a while before I finish Lazulight crops. I am working on it but things got busy again.

>>31655133
I feel like because of this factor, the shoguns wouldn't want to agree to conducting all trade jointly. Different countries have different needs.

>>31655133
>>31654731
Normally or at least in the past I would be opposed but after seeing that vnug and nijikr conduct their diplomacy as different nations, and knowing that you both will be nuanced in your diplomacy has changed my own mind. At the end of the day, this is a world building project and not a game so if you treat it that way, such matters like this are completely fine. Balance i think was something that terrified us after infinity shit and Megas, but I’m not worried about that at all here as the world gets filled out and nuance is given to situations.

>>31655338
We likely wont: i was more or less bringing up a potential desicion. I still maintain tarrifs should be equal for obvious reasons.

>>31655447
Vnug is the opposite though, its two factions in one country acting separately, whereas this is two countries acting jointly. I don't think there's really a problem with the 2434 thing though, even if they end up being like a single country in geopolitical terms.

>>31655535
I also made the point that you really should care about tarriffs unless you understand economics and want it precise. Its up to both of you. Alice gets sidetracked by worrying about how economics and money works and it screws her so i want you to tell her not worry about it.

>>31655608
Thats what I mean, I appreciate the nuance in that as much as NijiJP is showing. My whole point is that past fears cloud our judgement sometimes.

>>31655668
Yo what the fuck?

>>31655663
yeah i know i do… but i think for whatever reason its super important to know what your national finances are.. maybe playing cities skyline messed with my mind on that!!!!

>>31655535
I don't think you'd want this to be a hard requirement. Say nijimales has a growing apple industry, but cheap foreign risu apples are threatening it. You'd want to apply a tariff to risu apples just to protect your industry. Meanwhile, 2434 have no apple industry, so they'd want to buy the risu apples.

>>31655722
Is this an invitation for a challenge?!

>>31655722
This fool, this utter baka, let's have sex with him.

>>31655757
Its fine love, we both need to reign each others autism in, like me with dialects.
>>31655780
We still arent sure on our economic stance to know if we are protectionist or not. Suzuhara will be in 2434 but right on the nijimales border so things like that effect trade a lot.

>>31655722
Geeze that map's old

>>31655875
Nasfagronie...
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1426950964502667264

Girls, take a break for the rest of the day. The economy thing needs to be thought over more. If you still want to work, do something less complex like some traditions or army things (Yeah, army is so simple. Kek). Dont overwork yourselves.

>>31656202
Yeah… thank you ppsenpai!!

>>31643275
/ag/ goes in order of priority:
Religion.
Culture.
Species.
We really don't care who you are or where you come from as long as you share a belief in architecture and practice ot when you can. Architecture is ever present and its influence is in all things.

Holy shit PP and his loli imoutos have been going fucking ham. So much detail. Now time to probably fry my brain with magic quantum stuff for the first time instead of just going hurr durr pic related

>>31656577
All I did was make the map; pic related to how to solve real problems.

>>31656577
Yeah!!! They're really working hard on it!!!

>>31654866
Just read this!!! It's all good!!! Ancient China can help you a lot with political and administrative decisions in the Empire!!!!

shit. everyone be working on stuff this thread almost got knocked off the catalog.

helo helo ~
Tadaima! (≧▽≦)

>>31660677
Hello squirrel friend. Though I can't call you friend anymore can I? Anyway don't worry about windmills if you're not growing wheat or corn. Windmills can be used for pumping water to the semi-arid south. However hand pumps can do the job. If you want to know how to build hand pumps then ask Kronies.

>>31661001
pretty sure they can ask morig and mep for hand pumps too.

>>31661142
I guess it depends on who's better at plumbing and metalworking. I figure Kronies would learn how to pump ground water because volcanic ash contaminating rivers.

>>31661001
why cant you call me friend?

Also quick google showed that windmills were a thing for a very long time holy shit. But hand pumps somehow fit the risuner theme more in a way.
>>31660820
WADDUP SQUIRREL BROTHER! HOWS YOUR STUFF GOING?
>>31661294
I figured it would be because kronies have a slight tech advantage? But then again everyone has a tech advantage to risuners.

>>31661472
If I can still call you squirrel friend then I'll do that. I like friends. Pan pan! For pumps they've been around since the middle ages. I'm saying Kronies would have an advantage with plumbing because of living underground. But if you can get other traders to comission hand pumps then that'd work too. You can even make pumps out of wood if you know how.

>>31661472
I just got back after irl stuffs! (꒪꒳꒪)
Here! Updated my subspecies entry! FEEDBACK PLEASE!
https://rentry.org/vtwbg_risuspecies
Warsuner, I removed the references to Warkop. Im so so so sorry! I just wanted to make our works connected... (〒﹏〒)

https://rentry.org/The-Commodus-Chronicles#chapter-iii
Commodus Chapter III
ommodus and the Marquis are headed to Silvanus. Commodus, being a tribal chief for one of the border tribes scarcely knew what national politics were like. The farthest he ever went was to Panrong and it would be a good resting spot after the long march. Though they hadn't known each other for a year yet, Commodus had felt a close connection with Maumigny. Both were men of honor, and warriors at heart; though Commodus wasn't sure how much of a real warrior the Marquis actually was. In some ways, them being polar opposites made them great friends. The curious and turbulent man that was Commodus was complimented by the mild-manner and intelligent Marquis.

As they approached Panrong, the two were in a conversation about the clock people. These assholes had violated Risu's independence two years ago and had caused quite the culture shock for Risuners, who had never seen anything like them before. Commodus had never heard of them but like many of his fellow southern chiefs, wasn't too fond of these invaders turned "friends". He made it clear to the Marquis that he couldn't trust them any farther than he could throw 'em. But what did the opinion matter of the border chief matter to the rest of the nation. Dumbasses, what are these fucking Clocks doing for actual problems in my area. Now I hear they are friends with the Cannibals that raid us, are we fucking retards?

Suddenly, in the distance, Commodus could hear commotion. He dismounts and approaches a tree cospe overlooking Panrong FUCKING SHIT He signals the Marquis to come take a gander with him. You have to be fucking kidding me, how incompetent are we to allow these goatfuckers to actually reach and enter Panrong. What the Fu-

"Well, I see the issue. Let's waste no time boys, time to give these barbarians the sword. FOR THE QUEEN AND REINE!"

Commodus didn't even have a chance to see what the Marquis was doing before the Marquis and his horsemen, some 100 of them, were down in the fields approaching Panrong. Is this fucker insane? There is no way that you can beat these Ghazis if our defenses could stop them. I better mount up and prepare to save his ass

The Oiseaux Hussars descended onto the Ghazis immediately and it took no longer than 15 minutes for them to wipe them off the face of the earth with the help of citizens of Panrong. Commodus could only watch with sheer amazement to see what had happened. 500 of those towelheads, all cut down in 15 minutes. What the hell was this kind of magic. He dismouted to find the Marquis giving a speech to the citizens of Panrong.

"Risuners. Citizens of Panrong, I am happy that we managed to come in time to remove these Barbares from your ville."
Commodus started laughing knowing that the Risuners didn't know what he was saying with his mixed language This fucking madlad with his mixed speech. "But I also thank you for showing great bravoure to keep your own libertés safe from these vile racaille ! Salut Risu, Salut Reinu, Salut Brotherhood!" Better translate this for the Risuners

Commodus translates it and he concludes with "This man, our savior is the Marquis of Maumigny from our greatest friends, the Oiseaux! Let us give him a proper celebration for his actions today fellow Risuners!" The crowd erupts into celebration. Women throw themselves at the Marquis and the hussars, some being taken back for sex with these foreign men while others being politely rejected. The Marquis is given a crown of branchs by Prisca the Elder, the highest symbol of honor that can be bestowed on someone by a Village Elder. Later on the Marquis, Commodus and Prisca celebrate in a local tavern. Commodus asks the Marquis about how he was able to pull it off, and the two spend a good 3 hours talking about this thing called "tactics", much to the boredom of Prisca who slips out.

After a nice rest and more sex, Commodus, the Marquis and company set off once more for Silvanus. This madman, I don't yet grasp these tactics you speak of, but do we ever need them if we want a free Risu, free from the towelheads, cannibals and clocks alike.
>>31661700
Makes no difference, Oiseau know the way things work above ground, which matters to Risuners.
>>31662268
Thanks!

Probably going to summarize 4 and 5. The Silvanus thing is more relevant for the Marquis than Commodus and 5 has nothing to do with any of the characters.

>>31648001
>Jerboa Risuners
AAAAAA!! I love it!
>assassins
would rogues be appropriate if we're going by DnD lingo? Risuners are all about having fun and being hyper shitposters after all

>>31662536
Shit I meant 6, not 5. Five is a big chapter.

>>31660820
Hi Ri2ner! Where've ya been?

>>31662339
Well you should have some riverbeds like the Nile that you can use for farming in the semi-arid south.

https://rentry.org/The-Commodus-Chronicles
Chapter IV is done, I used a good bit of what mepper wrote because I thought it would have gotten the point accross the same regardess and just added some thoughts to it.
Chapter V will be the assault on the fort but I am not doing that today.

>>31663151
Mate, I am warsuner. I am not OG so I cannot speak on his behalf here. Sorry

>>31662268
Hi Ri2ner!!!!! I haven't seen you in a while!!!! How have you been?????!!!

>>31663512
>what do we do now?
Enter! Kronies...?

Warsuner, why are you making Kronies hated in your story?

>>31663791
Mate, we already know what happens next. Mepper wrote it.
>>31663809
Is some southern border chieftain not allowed to have his own opinions? You aint pulling me into a timeloop here. Commodus is not representative of what Risu as a whole thinks, perhaps his area at most.

>>31663887
I just dont want the special friendship between Risu and Inf ruined thats all. No need to be mean.

>>31663624
>>31663095
Hi! Nothing biggie really
1. work stuff so Im mentally drained. someone placed a big order, I think it was for a wedding, and we had to cook nonstop
2. uhh just taking a break. The more I show excitement the more trolls like to target me. better lay low and wait for them to go away
>>31662339
Oh shit i almost forgot!
>>31661472
Brother remember our old proposal! like way way back in... may? june?
Anyways, Risu has giant birds! Moas or elephant birds i think.
bird cavalry! BIRD! CVATLYR!! o(≧∇≦o)
how did we firgot about that?!

>>31663809
different tribes have different opinions
It's not a unified nation state

>>31663981
This attitude right here has me on break. The fact that I and now Warsuner have to defend ourselves over a story OGsuner likes kind of has me disillusioned with the project right now. Constantly have to worry about not stepping on toes because I state what my government would want, how we think of a nation or something in a story. I get that you and most of this thread feels this way, but when everything i ever say is microanalysed about me hating oldfags and their lore kind of turns me away and demotivates me. This is one of the reasons I would rather work with Nijiwriters at this point. I have said what i have said, see everyone in a week or whenever i feel like actually doing something. I may comment here and there but I am not active.

>>31664190
Yeah but Ogsuner has made it clear they love kronies.
>>31664274
No one is trying to restrict you, we just want you and others to respect pre established lore, and it ruin part of this project for me to see it disregarded.

>>31664413 (me)
I am a risuner too. Posted for a long time, probably around when Ogsuner started. I just dont know how to write.

>>31664413
Maybe it's the earlier years of the protectorate? Before the clocks were able to prove themselves useful woth roads and other amenities

>>31664527
The date is stated in Meps story.

>>31664413
Your attitude is counterproductive and kind of insulting honestly.

>>31664274
I feel you man. Take it easy, and dont worry about that shit when you do come back.

>>31664707
How so? I am just reminding them to work inside pre established lore and asking them to respect it.

>>31664823
Dude, you are just gatekeeping anons when you basically restrict them to the point that a character in a story cannot disagree with how some risuners feel. Risu isnt a hivemind.

>>31664896
No way, i am not gatekeeping. Og has the narrative that we fucking love kronies because they brought us out of boring times. For me at least, its hard to imagine mep being accepted like they are when Kronies hate them and they just invaded and built a fort in our lands. We arent a hivemind but we will never forget the Kronies.

>>31665017
Its actually funny how you want newfags to respect oldfags, when you have not made any lore and have no respect at all for newfags. Who says Risuners cant like Mep? Infinity has no right nor ability to change the way they think just like mep doesnt with infinity.

>>31665124
Bro, thats just ny personally opinion at the end. If Risu wants to remain safe, we cannot be friends with our friends enemy. I am not Ogsuner so i have no real say. But i do respect them, i have been politely reminding them about old lore and how it might conflict. Thats all. I just want things to not be broken.

>>31665224
Whatever man.

>>31665017
So here's a thought, how about you fucking stop thinking of Risuners as a single entity? There is absolutely 0 chance that each and every single individual within a country likes the same thing, specially when you have jack shit for propaganda. Risuners on the south would care more for the meppers(or whatever the fuck they are called) while the ones on the eastern shore would care more about the kronies, because that is where their spheres of influence are. And similarly, the risuner tribes at the northern border with /towa/ would most likely not give a flying fuck about either of them, as they would care more about their immediate neighbor.

WARSUNER I LOVE IT!!!! Great work!!! You did risu and mepper justice and so much more!!!

>>31665455
Thanks Alice! Would you ever like to write with me one day? I really have enjoyed your stories and love your attitude.

>>31665432
But that goes against our lore, which makes clear that we fucking love Kronies because they ended the boring times.

>>31665504
YES!!!! Maybe something in Risu or in Warkop????? I can even include hanafag in and have a fun story in the future in warkop!!! But give me a while ok??

>>31665625
Risu is prefered but given the shitshow doing things there can turn into, Warkop might be better. I can wait too!

>>31665680
SOUNDS GOOD!!! Keep up the great work.
>>31664274
Dont take too long!!!! I miss my french friend already…

>>31665557
I think warsuner is pretty justified in writing a character that is infuriated by /risu/'s military inferiority when compared to practically all of its neighbors and being at the mercy to superior forces with more allies.

>>31666021
Agreed, its sort of refreshing to see a risuner actually realize this. Risu has stockholm syndrome as a whole for whatever reason.

>>31666021
>>31666227
Idk, it really doesnt feel like this would be commonly felt. We are idiots, i will admit, but it just feel out of character for a risuner to think this way.

>>31666351
Commodus as I envisoned him and Mepper did, unironically represents /risu/ better than most riusners in lore because we hate outsiders kek.

>>31666227
>stockholm syndrome
Yes reminder
>Inf protectorate? Nah they clearly arent malicious
>meat raiding and slaving us. Nah they helped us later
>Sanalites eat a Risuner. Code RED. WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU DESPITE MEAT DOING THIS TO US MORE!

>>31667053
Thats more of OGsuners bias (rightful) against Cunt desu.

Why is there a new fight every day?

>>31667360
War.

>>31667360
This is still /vt/

>>31667360
What happened?

>>31667462
Read above.
Tl;dr depending on your perspective, new lore isnt being respected like old lore or old lore is too sacred for a character in a story to not agree with.

Going to make a bingo card for this thread. Free space is OGsuner is horny. Ideas?

>>31667766
>ESL misunderstanding
>/nasa/ timeloop
>concepts
>Panon/Alice schizo
>worldbuilding thread btw
>Cunt being a cunt

>>31667766
Cunt saying he’s quitting the project (again), “just write niggers,” magic/science is everything, ritualpost made before all the anchors are up, Panon schizo, /ringo/ moments between Panon and Alice, Cunt x Cutiegoon sexting, something with Kindred

>>31610109
The interactive map has been updated to reflect the latest voting results. Go check it out and download the latest version!

>>31667647
i personally think the opposite is more accurate. oldfags should ha e certain advantages over newfags yet newfags are trying to take them away through cries of victimhood and equity, the virtues of parasites, thieves, and slaves. don’t overcompensate perceived grievances is all i am saying.

>>31670348
>yet newfags are trying to take them away through cries of victimhood and equity, the virtues of parasites, thieves, and slaves.
Source: the voices in my head

>>31670348

>>31670348
Kek, i know you aint serious but if thats the perception given off, newfags arent going to listen. Tis the oldfags living off their past mediocrity. (Jk)

What the fuck did I just come back to?

>>31671094

AND IM BACK LETS SEE WHAT YOU ALL BEEN UP TO........

Fucking timeloops. Really? And oldfag vs newfag arguments too? Bruh.

Hey guys. Kronies never enslaved us or really did anything desu. Meat slavers I can understand but they did a fuckload in helping us after including their ships being the design of the pinisi and teaching us how to farm metal. We benefitted nothing from /nasa/ aside some peridot.
>>31664132
I just tucked away the whole animal thing in my head as I was focused on exploring other people. Yeah we do have elephant birds but its never mentioned kek. Im gonna finish the hooman story but ill keep that in my ever increasing list of "shit i should do one day"

I am not going to explain mep relations as I have done so before. And I know risuners as a thread are pretty xenophobic to other people as some people are saying but writing about telling everyone to fuck off isnt fun. Not to mention being weaker than everyone else we kind of need the help.
>>31664274
Feels fucking bad man because I love the stories especially since WARsuner took over. He writes better than I do. SO CAN YOU FUCKERS JUST LET THEM DO SHIT PLEASE!?

>>31662339
I see some parts got updated indeed. I actually like the idea of the ground or "dwarf" risuners instead of what I had imagined which was them constantly climbing up and down. Kek

>>31671164
God damn it Nomura...

>>31670655
this specific example is one among a larger trend i have been seeing. if i am wrong, please correct, and while there are truths in the statement, such as the fact that risuners would likely have different ideas from each other, this doesn’t acknowledge the way information and culture spreads and evolves in a realistic way. there are two extremes people tend to take. i think the terms are positivism or epistemological nihilism, but idk. both are wrong. you don’t need an active propaganda institution to create strong, cultural beliefs among the masses within a community. while the idea that some would be for /mep/ and against /inf/ is valid, there might not be a large enough faction to prevent /risu/ as a nation from standing completely with /inf/ and against /mep/.
with that said, the relevance of my comment is in the fact that this turned into a discussion about oldfags. if not for the fact that people are thinking about this as “poor innocent newfag vs established greedy oldfag” it wouldn’t have been brought up. if that is the case, i suggest we consider the counter-position that thus far seems to lack any support.

>>31671414
Gotta love how protective everyone is of your lore to the point it ruins good shit.

>>31671848
Clarify this larger trend you are seeing as i am curious. The context was someone told warsuner he cant write a character a certain way because it ruins old lore.

>>31672007
which is why im so confused. Sure not a whole big ass section will hate kronies but this is ONE FUCKING RISUNER! Your gonna tell me that ONE GUY wont think like this? Fucking kek

>>31671848
Your perception is flawed because
>mepper and warsuner did nothing wrong in context.
Have you read the lore to understand the dates or are you arguing off your own emotions before checking to see this. The story starts in 1120 VTE, fyi

>>31672185
My favorite counter point on this is that one guy seeing things differently than most risuners (Albeit he has a good reason to.) makes all lore damaged because Risuners arent smart. Fucking kek

i think im just gonna ignore the thread for a while and focus on hoomans. brb gentlemen and sexy lolis

Key kindredsis, a question: what would be the naming conventions in Luxoria? Need some names for background characters. Same question for you and /haha/, cutiegoon.

>>31672362
Risuners are smart...enough. They arent complete fucking retards by any means they can most certainly think for themselves. They are just very horny and simple minded.

>my fucking face when i just realized i modeled the risuners after myself pic related

>>31670348
You really like to assert, in my estimations because you are on of them, that old writers should have inherit advantages and automatically are more creative because they did things first and thus should be honored. No, honor and respect is mutual. If you cannot respect what newfags do, then why should they ever respect you. This is a harmful stance to hold because you are essentially gatekeeping rights and respect.

Finally back from touching grass. What an exhausting and expensive grass-touching session this was. Time to catch up.
>>31641672
Spec bio can be quite fun. Ive done some myself but I dont think i can match up to the spec bio autists here

>Quantum Field theory
Yep, I suppose that's where we are going. Could start to explore other aspects of chuubanite science too though.

>>31643275
>nasfaqg
Culture probably, but only certain aspects of it. The other two do not matter in the least, as long as you yourself can tolerate other beliefs and species well enough to not actively stir shit. You are free to practice your own faith, whatever that is (atheism included), but blasphemy (especially toward the holopantheon) will not be looked at kindly.
There arent any blasphemy laws though, so you are free to do it, the locals just wont like you, and may refuse to deal with you, and might beat you up if you anger them enough.
As for the culture, what >>31650852 said, with the caveat that we dont give a fuck as long as you aren't actively creating conflict, and as long as you have ambition or a strong goal that isnt directly destructive towards those around you and the willingness to work towards achieving that goal, you'll be accepted by the locals.

>>31645581
Im way too exhausted to give a proper answer, but this is looking pretty cool. I really like the way you are building the 4 tribes.

>>31650231
>vitubium cyclotron radiation
I mean, if you see a reason for it to exist and why it would be fun, feel free to elaborate. I dont see it as an impossibility. would love to hear your thoughts on chuubanite autism, but yeah, real life goes first

>>31651789
>>31653507
>>31654092
So, you did get the islands afterall?

>>31663809
>>31663981
It shouldn't be a problem as long as the idea isnt described as commonplace, but as >>31664190 said, /risu/ and no other nation except /towa/ are a hivemind. Every nation has individuals that go against the majority opinion, there are citizens on nasfaqg who hate the free market, there are people in 2434 who want nothing more than the end to the Emperor and the Shoguns, there are kfp who dont like ass, and just as this particular risuner may dislike kronies, there probably exist a lot who really dislike /mep/ as well. Its completely normal.
A risuner from, say, sabatangan (heck, probably just another risuner from panrong or the surrounding areas) would probably feel baffled as to why Commodus thinks this way.

>>31672565
>because he is one of them
Say it aint so! He made the same point about chuubanite creativity and Alices criticism of someone who told her to criticize him. Fucking kek.

>>31672007
i agree warsuner should be able to write characters like that, but they should be a very rare exception. when others brought up the old v. new i was more invested personally. i just see a lot of newfag advocacy and almost no oldfag advocacy. i think oldfags have certain rights as people who come here earlier that newfags lack, including canonization rights. i’ve seen people advocate the wanton removal of those rights on the grounds that it could potentially limit newfags, and that this is somehow a problem. i agree we should change things from time to time, but that doesn’t mean contradicting established canon on the grounds that oldfags are just gatekeeping, and shouldn’t have a say over their own lore that they worked to establish.

>>31672723
>newfag advocacy
The reason behind this is to make clear to them that they are not doing shit wrong because one schizo targets them. And what rights are you refering to? If OGsuner wanted to say “Fuck Inf lore, i am cutting it off (Not saying he will nor should)” he absolutely has the right to do it. Fuck, Alice is rewriting her whole nation right now. Its not about old v new. Its about worldbuilding. Idc if you are old or new; that doesnt truly matter. Its what you actually bring to this project.

>>31672686
>Panrong
Mep just saved the city so i digress there but yeah overall.

Paragraphs, no one deserves respect because they were here first nor how old their lore is. People deserve respect for how they treat others and what they bring to the project.

>>31673153
yeah, just saving some city doesnt automatically make everyone in the city and the surrounding areas want to suck your dick. its risuners so they want to do that anyways but you know what I mean

and you know, you can like both mep and infinity, afaik the two arent enemies.

>>31672441
I know Retrobro used Japanese names in his Luxuria stuff and so I would say to continue with that too. Fits Vox having a Japanese last name. No last/family names I’d imagine because a cult is more or less one big family, no? Everyone just has first/given names.

>>31673325
Yeah, getting irritated by how this is seen by others. Really a non issue at the end of the day.

>>31673401
The Holy Kingdom is LatinJapanese fyi

>>31673401 (me)
Kek now I’m thinking about cultist girls carving “(First name) Akuma” into trees and reciting in their heads like grade school girls and their crushes.

>>31673487
Yes, I know. Luxuria is not Holy Kingdom. They don’t want anything to do with us so I don’t transcribe 100% of their culture, norms, and attitudes to us. Vox himself is a Japanese character so I had envisioned them sticking more to Japanese names to follow that.

>>31672565
i never said they were more creative. you must be the guy who wanted to turn this into a matter of principle. i don’t think you responded to my last reply. what are your principles? since you have intentionally destroyed the possibility of having a rational discussion, i need to know what you are thinking before i can address your response. for the record, though, this can be more accurately called a red herring than how you used it, though it is still not the primary problem in your response, and i fear fallacy throwing won’t help in making this a more rational discussion. i am trying to accommodate, and i am not sure how successful i will ever be in not seeming offensive, but my position isn’t that change should never happen. if newfags want their lore to be respected, don’t make disrespectful lore to oldfags, especially when they have explicitly stated their opinion on the matter. oldfags have rights, newfags have different rights, don’t treat them like they must necessarily be equitable in all regards.

Newfag this, oldfag that, how about we just all write good lore give feedback and be kind!!!!!

>>31673591
>you must be the guy who wanted to turn this into a matter of principle
Nope, thats me, and I aint taking part in that particular conersation.

Mucho texto

>>31673591
>>31673680 (me)
What i mean is that you are talking to someone else now.

>>31673591
>enters the conversation with an attitude of superiority >>31670348
Where am I coming from? I dont see newfags doing anything to oldfags unless you want to give actual examples. You destroyed a rational discussion when you entered and i am giving you the opportunity to bring it back now.

>>31673792 (me)
Calling anyone a parasite immediately turned this into a irrational discussion.

>>31673578
Luxuria is a latin word. Do you understand why I made this assumption?

>>31673991
Friend, I’m aware Luxuria is Latin. I’m the one who named it and cited it as a Latin word then— I also picked it because it’s a little similar to Luxiem. “Vox” is Latin, “Akuma” is Japanese. Vox was most active/powerful during the Sengoku era. I’m incorporating Japanese names and architecture (ie tatami floors) into Luxuria to represent the cultists’ obsession with upholding the image of Vox’s heyday, as something Comfy and I have talked about multiple times is the different groups of Kindreds’ assertion that they are the “true” followers of Vox and that any other form of worship is blasphemy. They’re all stuck-up puritans in different ways.

>>31674262
Hey Kindred!!!!! How have you been!!!!!!!

>>31645414
Yes you're right. Sorry, my Egyptian history isn't the best and I was in too much of a rush to look up the specifics, so I just guessed Cleopatra based off me remembering that she was Greek, not Egyptian native. Thanks for the correction.

Also this oldfag vs newfag drama is stupid. What's even caused it this time?

>>31674444
Today was pretty tough, but I’ll manage. You gotta go through hell before you get to heaven! Hopefully you’re doing well.

>>31674496
>warsuner and/or mepper write a risuner who hates infinity
>risuners are in general supposed to be friends of infinity
>this makes people angry
>cue drama

>>31674496
Unironically, because a retard thinks risu is a hivemind and paragraphs is on a soapbox now kek

>>31674766
Story is also in 1120 to 1122 as well

>>31674665
I am!!! PPsenpai is making a beautiful map for nijiwriters and we are benefitting from it right now (my sis and me)!!!

>>31674766
>This is what passes for drama
You know generally Jews tend to like Israel but I'm sure you can also find plenty who despise the country.
t. a Jew who doesn't especially like the state of Israel.
just some food for thought

>>31673877
i never called anyone a parasite. even if you hold the virtues i described as the virtues of parasites, among other things, i was calling the virtues themselves parasitic. i think i made a total of one mistake since comfyanon helped me, and it wasn’t even the kind of mistake he was advising me on. maybe i am either forgetting or not recognizing another problem i made, and i knew it was weak, but it doesn’t help that i was right.

>>31675051
It is ok. I just want see where newfags are actually writing lore that disrespects oldfags because i dont see it.

>>31674788
To be fair mepper has made a few comments that could imply him wanting /risu/ to drop /inf/ in favor of /mep/ so it isnt retarded to be suspicious.

>>31672441
They're following swedish names!!!!!!

>>31675255
I feel mepper should deserve at least some benefit of the doubt

>>31675311
Certainly, just pointing out that the suspicious anons are not just being schizo here.

>>31675255
Isnt that just his national stance since he has a rivalry with infinity? Thats an ulterior motive i think he just explained.

>>31675499
>national stance
This thread i think lacks understanding about that honestly. He isnt undermining lore as much as he is being forward about what his own nation seeks. Thats a GREAT thing.

>>31675499
He chose to go for that national stance, which he did not have to if he did not want it.
There is also the fact that /inf/ has been inactive for two weeks now so they have not even been able to respond to this all. Currently there is no conflict, it's just /mep/ erording previously established international relationships.

>>31675180
remember newbud?

>>31675687
>it's just /mep/ erording previously established international relationships.
Kinda based

>>31675687
Mep’s stance was made when inf was her, fyi. He made it clear and he hasnt wrote himself in a week either so idk what the problem is.
>>31675726
That got resolved and was poorly handled on both sides.

It's bump limit anyway!!! I have been feeling really exhausted nowadays for some reason!!! I don't want to do anything except lay down and sleep!!!! So I'm sorry that I haven't written any lore!!!!!!

>>31675726
If thats your only example, which is a poor one because both of them were at fault there for various reasons; i fail to see an actual problem.

>>31675977
Take your time!

>>31675581
There are a lot of more or less socially retarded people here. I for one struggle with distinguishing between OOC animosity and IC animosity, which is why I'm convinced a lot of writers here hate /nasfaqg/ and me by extension which I know is stupid but i cant help it.
bump limit im allowed to socpost shut up

I suspect there are many like me here, but i wouldnt know for sure. This timeloop is really tiring, but at least we've had way less timeloops lately.

>>31675977
It be like that sometimes. If you want my advice, generally what I do is I sit down and force myself to start writing something, even if its hot garbage. The first step is always the hardest.

If you don't like it then even better. Getting angry reading over your own work will motivate you to correct it into something worth posting.
Regardless, if you actually aren't enjoying writing here feel free to take a break. This isn't a job, this is a hobby.

>>31676073
Nasfaqronie senpai… i know how you feel because i was the girl who pushed buttons as a nation and was taken personally. I love you and i love nasfaq even if i am not friendly in character!!!!

Remember that the kindess form of friendship is a rivalry in world
>meat and morig
>2434 and phase
>me and my schizos (not really, pomudachi and dragoons kek)
>wah and kfp
>watamelons and everyone
You have to love your “enemies” to write good with them. Seperate national stances from personal opinions and you will come to this conclusion as well.