/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31421573
Iluna more like ilosers amirite?

>>31421573
yeah Iluna didn't do well as expected huh

Vesties status: Rock Hard

>>31421573
>being happy that people are not doing well/fail

OP, your entire life is a failure. Shouldnt you be more concered about yourself?

Now post HomoEN shitpiss.

>>31421573
they didnt bot those debuts, i swear!

>>31421573
Less than 5% retention holy shit

>>31422619
oh no no no nijibros don't look

Why are numberthreads allowed outside of /#/?

>>31424172
Rules allowed it

>>31424172
I don't like it is not a bannable offence

>>31421573
The wave was worth it because Kyo is the best zoomer hire they got

>>31422343
>OP asked what went wrong
>anon used his magic reading interpretation
>OP being happy that people are not doing well/fail
>anon malding

>>31424087
All these guys obviously share the same fanbase and will come out better on average because there are just 4 of them. You can tell because their 4-man group collabs do barely any better than the vampire guy's solo streams.

>>31424356
That thing you smell? that's called nijicope

is that what a full out war looks like?

>>31421573
is there anyone who kept debut numbers a month later?

>>31424172
Jannies hate the whole board and most of them only care about bait if it's hololive.

>>31424550
Salome

>>31424550
Salome

>>31424087
nowa oji my beloved

>>31424550
salami, but it's like an extremely weird case, mostly because people thought she was a prank initially, she now just gets numbers similar to kenmochi

>>31421573
their auditions are wrongs

>>31424087
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31421573
They hired like numberfags would. As an aside. Kyo Kaneko sounds like some white trash retarded wigger. Can’t believe they thought his history of recaps and crossdressing along with that shit voice box was a good fit for that model.

They hired normies and luxiem fans.

Imagine how popular scarle would be if her model went to someone like ninaninin. She'd have a sexy voice and a ton of nerdy appeal.

Instead it's some woman who just likes Vox. This pushes out all the Vox fans (most are either jealous cunts or just want to see fags) and pushes out all the male fans instantly (do I even need to explain).

>>31428126
>Can't believe
I don't get why people say this. I'd say the casting choices were too straightforward.
>zoomer boy for zoomer boy model
>programmer socks guy for homo model
>famous guy for chad model
>zoomer girl for zoomer girl model
>sjw for yuri molester model
>brown girl for brown girl model

absolutely disastrous predebut

>>31424087
Now show vod views.

>>31428611
In his case he sounds like a fucking retard so I don’t imagine him fitting the model especially.

>>31424087
I know it's fun to take a shit at the Nijicope, but you kinda ommited the fact that in their last solo streams they did:
Regis: 1733
Axel: 1548
Magni: 3330
Vesper: 4286
So two of them are actually doing worse than Iluna.

Maria is cute and seiso, and she goes well with Pomu. She's a true idol.
Kyo is actually fucking hilarious. Great hire.
Aia is good at singing, and drawing, and she has a great voice, and she's dorky and cute. Very talented, I expect great things from her.
Ren is.....boring. But the women seem to like him, and that's all that matters I guess.
Aster is gay as fuck. I guess he serves a niche but I don't watch Aster.
Scarle is an immature zoomer.

Kyo, Aia, and Maria are great.

>>31424087
Oh no no no holobros what is going on?

>>31428781
>So two of them are actually doing worse than Iluna.
yes anon 1548 is certainly lower than 1073
Nijiniggers in charge of math

>>31428781
All of them are doing worse than Iluna in every stat that's not ccv.

>>31428914
Why do you /#/ retards act like ccv is the only statistic? It's the easiest to bot one that makes 0$. Even weaker Iluna members have twice the subs and vod views of Tempus.

>>31428929
where are you SCs bro?

>>31428999
>>31429035
OH NO NO NO NIJIBROS OUR COPE

>>31421573
>believing on indian viewfarms
Your mistake to begin with

>>31429035
Streamlabs.

Look at all of them scrambling to find cope after cope
you love to see it

>>31429035
20k of that is from one stream. Nijis also have Streamlabs.

>>31429179
Yeah Tempusfags are coping hard.

>>31429035
all from debut

>>31421573
Yeah iluna didn't do as well as expected

>>31429290
and?

>>31428914
Accept reality anon, Tempus is shit. They're spamming Apex, taking breaks even though they need to stream only an hour per day, going after woman not a month after their debut, awful gaming skills. They're far worse than HoloJP.

>>31421573
Accelerate!

>>31429335
you select the most-superchatted holostar who is dramatically above the other 3, and use him to compare.

>>31424172
Even /#/ itself should be banned.

>>31429335
Remember Council? He's never going to get this much again. Their vod views are trash. Their growth is nonexistent.

>>31429359
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>31429435
seethe about it

>>31421573
actual averages look like this though

>>31429441
the council that trashed your

>>31429447
>5k ccv
>40k vod views

>2k ccv
>50k vod views

Really makes you think. Holobots are hilarious.

>>31429441
the council that trashed your massive celebration stream with one meme stream? That council?

>>31429359
stay mad

>>31429483

/#/ retards live on ccv because it's the easiest to shitpost. While it's the most worthless statistic.

>>31429549
One of those people is streaming for 8 hours and 40 minutes
One of these people is shitting out 90 minute streams

>>31429531
seething

>>31421573
Kyo is actually based and is starting to grow a bit

>>31421573
>thread topic: why did Iluna flop
>thread contents: yeah but what about tempus tho?
Why are they like this?

>>31429549
>zatsu with 4 people + horror kusoge
>massive celebration

>>31429613
ccv is completely worthless. Because of raids, superchat readings, collabs.....etc. ccv averages are almost meaningless. Numbers have always been retarded as fuck. Just watch vtubers, what's with all the numberfagging.

>>31429649
Hololive lives rent free in nijisanji heads, please understand

>>31429447
>Collab with all Tempus members.
>Not even 5k.
If you're gonna numberfag, at least do it right.

>>31429628
Yeah you are seething alright.

>>31429549
>stream 5x less
>get higher average

Truly shocking.

>>31429613
The statistic the youtube algorithm looks at is hours viewed, aka engagement. There is no way to know who is doing better in that so all the numberfaggotry is unjustified, but CCV is probably the most closely correlated metric for streams (views is very accurate for shorts but not so much a 3 hours long vod). Either way that is dumb too because their biggest source of income is merch which isn't visible on youtube metrics at all.

>>31429689
I love /#/ meltdowns about NijiEN so much. And it's only going to keep getting better and better.

>>31429613
>VOD numbers are worthless then
>CCV numbers are worthless now

>>31429752
>Average

>>31429483
Remember, in the beginning, Pomu had a ccv average of 1.6k.
Selen was the only one who could even reach 3k on a stream, and only on apex streams.

It used the be the case that if every single member of nijiEN streamed at the same time, the max combined viewers would never exceed 8k. That was the absolute maximum for the entire branch. Selen's birthday stream got the highest total ever with 8.4k.

Now Pomu is averaging 3.5k, which is insane. They're starting to generate streams that hit 8k or even above 10k on a semi-regular bases, even without the help of the boys. The popularity growth is huge. The hololive fans are unironically threatened by them now, which is insane to think about.

It used to be that hololive EN would never get below 10k on any of their streams. NijiEN had 1/5 of their viewers at best (although roughly the same donations, surprisingly). Now NijiEN is getting only 1/3 of their viewers.

holobronies coping now that nijisanji is more popular in the west and in japan

>>31429684
Youtube ccv is nonsense and has been for almost 2 years. There is little point in caring about it but some fag always crawls the containment numbernigger thread and poisons the catalog with it. I don't think fans really care about numbers, jut antis and the regular SEAcords trying to stir up shit since that seems to be thier main source of entertainment.

>>31429934
In the beginning lazulight and obsydia were 3views lol, Selen hitting 2-3k on her first apex stream was absolutely insane

>>31421573
The hires
>Aster has a fine voice and great model, but he's annoying and despite the fujo pandering he does, his game choices filters out all the women easily
>Ren is boring and doesn't know how to be a vtuber, that celebration stream was a joke
>Scarle is an idiot who only joined for Luxiem, has talked about Hololive more than Nijisanji, has a coomer model but she only cares about otome games. Filters out both groups
>Kyos voice filters out every woman who'd be interested in him, has all but told fujos and yumes to fuck off in general
>Aia is incredibly boring
Honestly the biggest thing is only Scarle is interested in Japanese media, and it's only specifically otome games she's interested in

>>31429359
spamming apex...theyve played it like twice what the fuck are you talking about lmao

>>31428999
subs is the least trustworthy stat
nijien has a liver with 1.1 million subscribers who struggles to break 3k streaming games outside cn time

I grew to like Aia and Kyo, but in terms of games their schedules just aren’t that good.
Granted that’s less an Iluna problem and more of a NijiEN problem. In terms of interesting game streams it’s been so dry that even Shu seems to be the most interesting right now. It doesn’t even make sense since Nijisanji should have tons of game perms too.

Holy fuck, could all of you go back to /#/s??

>>31431363
Yah I went and checked out their channels to check too. They’ve barely played Apex. I will say that I’m not about to listen to these dudes just talk in Zatsus though, and some of them do too many god damn Zatsus.

>>31431235
You forgot Maria. Probably because she was a very milquetoast pick but also fairly safe.

>>31431418
Might be the reason why they want gamers for their next wave

>>31429531
This thing about Tempus is really weird tho.
They have high CCV per stream but their VOD view is somehow worse than Iluna most of the time. I guess it has to do with the insanely high overlap on regular chatter among all of Tempus which is like 75% for everyone. It basically means that there is just the same group of people who keep watching every of their streams, which may also explain their somewhat lack of sub growth.

>>31431476
no fuck off, we're full. Keep your retardation out here

>>31431418
I remember Selen said near her debut management encouraged her to do a bunch of streamer bait shit like Minecraft, Genshin, League, One Handed Clapping etc. I feel like the same shit's happening with Iluna but they aren't experienced or confident enough to do their own thing and tell management no.

Iluna and Tempus are both doing fine but not amazingly, who cares. This is stupid /#/ shit that only /vt/ schizos care about

>>31429934
Pomu and Enna are inclining hard, they increased 50% more viewship in around half year

>>31425432
>she now just gets numbers similar to kenmochi
That's already top of Vtuber world, I can't believe we still has a big incline Vtubet like that in this saturated market

>>31428868
more subs and yet less consistent viewers per streams

>>31421573
Everyone was hooked on Iluna's design because they looked relatively better than Tempura, which explains their massive audience in Twitter and their large debut CCVs. Days later these livers turned out to be shit, clown hires with oatmeal personalities so many of them were dropped like a hooker from the truck stop.

>>31432536
They have dedicated fans but not tourists so they may have more ccv but they are growing very slow than others

>>31434762
as they should - they are my favorite niji girls and i want them to continue succeeding.... love them

>>31428752
>moving goalposts after being raped in the ass
pfffffff fuck off

>>31433748
>Iluna
>doing fine
kek

>>31432536
Tempus has a small fanbase with little exposure but those few fans literally mark every stream on their calendars and religiously watch everything. The lack of exposure means slow growth. Iluna is known by a lot of people (because they're part of an actually successful branch) but few of them watch more than a few minutes of each stream so CCV never builds up yet total views are high (from all the people clicking and leaving soon after). We don't know who truly is bigger or will be bigger long term, but I do believe Tempus won't recline too much even in a worst case scenario.

>>31435175
It's even funnier when you realize it's literally just Debi putting on a different voice.

>>31437117
is it actually confirmed to be debiru?

>>31437191
No. It's a rrat.
>>31437055
But that also means hardly any incline tho. Like Vesper collab with Mori didn't even help him grow in a short amount of time. Maybe the average Holobronies really do hate StarEN.

>>31437055
I do confess that Vesper is the only vtuber I watch daily, and if he opens membership I will give my membership virginity to him.

>>31437055
Obviously Iluna will be the bigger in long term , they always have the chance to turn other nijiEN fans into their own fan , that's how Enna gains a very big benefit from Male fans recently but Tempus has very few tourists so they have little chance to do that

>>31421573
L + Luna + cringe = didn't do well as expected, thank me vox

>>31437859
>they always have the chance to turn other nijiEN fans into their own fan
yes, their debuts brought a lot of new people and they're leaving for actually good or at least somewhat better livers such as luxiem faggots and girls (enna, pomu, selen). illuna itself failed already as streamers and i dont see bright future for them but they helped others incline

>>31421573
Holofag here with a JP oshi.
Give the folks at iluna a break. I think that any streamer with over 500 ccv is doing great.

>>31437191
Lmao, everyone with half brain can tell she isn't Debi, only numberniggers can't accept the reality that nijisanji still can make another big break star into this late of game after all of the doom posting they were spreading against them

>>31437369
You are part of what I call the box expansion.
Soon enough you'll also watch other holopro talents whenever Vesper is not online or having a break.

>>31438431
I do look at the other three sometimes. I'm less interested in most gameplay, so Axel and Altair largely filter me. Magni... the furfaggotry bothers me, I super cannot relate. I dunno, he's just not for me so far. I was into Aruran for a hot minute, when he was doing that all too brief cultural exchange arc, but then he backed off.

>>31421573
Very simple really

Ren
>Pissed off oversea fans by tweeting at kuzuha and generally very bad forced fujobait with aster on top of not doing anything with music at all.

Aster
>Generic feminine man trope that took too long to get off the ground, useless collabs

Kyo
>Voice debuff, fanbase is very niche but loyal, hit or miss humor.

Aia
>Personality debuff

Scarle
>Great model, personality doesn't match and she's a total airhead bottom that would work great but she debuted in fujosanji where there are barely any red blooded men left.

Maria
>Completely shafted in collabs and music and art streams barely get as much promotion or shilling as Ren, still the best personality of the iluna bunch.

>>31429691
it's fucking apex you damn drone. Just accept nijifags are fans of debuts, graduations and other events not the talents themselves. "A liver for all tastes" they say, but it's more like throwing trash at a wall and see what sticks.

>>31439722
"Let me think of something negative to say about every single member and ignore the positive".

Ok well the council is absolute trash

Baelz
>garbled english ESL voice. Virtually unwatchable. Personality is intended to be a peppy character, instead comes off as some schizo who tries too hard.
Fauna
>Lazy girl with a checkered past. Asmr is bad. Boring and bland.
Kronii
>Clock with a cock. Voicefilter debuff. Weird aloof personality, pretending to be something he isn't.
Mumei
>Theme is something an 8th grader came up with. Boring owl that's very boring. She makes strange sounds every now and then that are supposed to be cute, but come off as schizophrenic and weird.
Sana
>unlistenable ESL english. Lazy and shitty. Awful streaming content. Terrible model. Basically the worst vtuber I've ever seen. Embarrassing a major corporation would shit this out

>>31438336
Other Holofag here and I agree, as somebody's who's oshi was averaging 200-365 ccv (Dagger wife) it took persecerance and finding herself to now break around 2-3k, last rust stream she was even at 8k+!! Don't worry Nijibros, Iluna is doing fine and please next time just leave these threads so the jannies can ban the samefags.

>>31424087
AAIIEEEEE

>>31437326
There's no maybe about it. We've known this since forever. HoloEN collabs are totally meaningless. That can grow but only by carving their own place in the world, and it won't be fast.

>>31438431
Not really. Holostars might as well exist in a different dimension from the girls.

>>31446402
holostarsJP you mean

starsEN is already interacting with holoID and holoEN.

>>31446593
StarsJP interacts with them too but they gain 0 fans from it, which is already whats happening to StarsEN.

>>31421573
>What went so wrong?
Maybe Nijisanji shouldn't debut 50 meh members per branch every year and some people would be able to keep track of everything going on. The issue of having so many people is that fatigue sets in and you need to triage your time to find people you actually care about.
And collabs where there's 20 people on a call talking over each other isn't the kind of exposure which works to make people care about new members.

Its funny seeing this bait thread, since Tempus and Iluna get along so well behind the scenes.
Its literally children shitflinging at each other over which console is better all over again.

>>31447072
>behind the scenes.
I honestly think some of them may had known each other beforehand.

>>31436771
>Tempus
>doing fine
I can do it too

>>31449309
except of course you are in a thread where Illuna keeping less than 5% of their debut numbers is the OP pic, so no you really can't

>>31440167
>"A liver for all tastes" they say, but it's more like throwing trash at a wall and see what sticks.
That has less to do with Nijisanji and more with NijiEN specificaly. NijiJP at least has varied livers like Mashiro that you really cant find elsewhere, and NijiID has livers that at least go out of their comfort zone with games like Dying Light, Borderlands, Watch Dogs, or even talents like Xia that try to fill in a niche with the old Need For Speed/Burnout games.
Right now most of EN just feel like they're only interested in playing or doing what their co-workers are. I genuine don't know if its a fault of the talents with their League/APEX/Valorant arcs or if this is a fault on the management specifically.
Add that with the sheer amount of talents they keep shotgunning out and despite having 26 people their content is now starting to blend together.

>>31449464
>N-no! It can only go one way!
lmao you're so transparent

>>31449560
you are like those idiots in the pacific islands who make fake airstrips out of wood and palm tress and then don't understand why planes don't magically land and bestow your tribe with goodies

Let's talk about the number of bitches holobronies get: 0

>>31449468
I think the talents are too close to each other, judging by the discord leak they genuinely get along with each other and hang out all the time. This is great for them but sucks for the audience.

>>31449719
And yet I made the post all the same, showing that I, in fact, CAN do it too.

>>31433746
So she played the streamer bait shooter?

>>31450370
She's primarily an Apex player, that's not playing bait games because management told her to

Both groups suck ass and so do you.

>amazing designs
>hire garbage streamers for them
Not again...

>>31440692
You're aware that ESL doesn't mean Australian, right?

>>31449801
You're probably right on that part, because I think Elira said very early on with NijiEN that it becomes like NijiID, a group where friends can randomly pop into discord chats.
Unfortunately it seems far too large in comparison and it hasn't stopped growing. And the appeal of collabs kind of wears off when its the same games again and again, spread across multiple POVs.

>>31421573
>It's already been four weeks
what the fuck

>>31421573
Normie gen

>>31440692
Name a single positive for ren.

>>31446671
? ... getting fans from another holopro talent is not "box expansion", just a simple redistribution (or leeching).
When starsEN start a 3k-5k ccv stream, none of the ongoing streams get affected. So the guys are being watched by a sizable new audience. This has nothing to do with in-house collabs.
Collabs don't expand the box unless they go viral.

>>31437055
>known by a lot of people
DYRB? fucking kek

sisters...

>>31424356
Even if that's true. Then why doesn't LLuna share a fanbase with Zotto? He gets the most views if they're all equally good shouldn't the viewership be heavily shared?

>>31429483
> fulgur 5961
Didnt know he was one of the successful niji

>>31467219
Because there's no need to keep track of everyone in the first place. If you look at both Tempus and Iluna's chat overlap on vrabi, every boy in Tempus has like around 80% of overlap with Vesper while some like Maria literally has more overlap with the other NijiEN like Elira or Luca than with her genmate, all of which won't higher than 50%.
Basically after debut, their fanbase scattered to stick on who they like the most while the whole Tempus fanbase is a same group of people watch all of their stream.