/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

real vtuber communism has never been tried

>>31278742
In reality, nothing will happen. Kson won't change shit, Vshojo won't change shit. Vtubing will fade into obscurity as the years go by as more and more retire. Support the good ones while you still can, obviously not Vshojo.

>>31278742
Hercshel Walker needs to drop out of the race so we can get Kson to beat Warnock in November so she can become Senator Kson and actually give the Armstrong speech.

>>31278742
> Freedom to live or to die by their own will not company.
> Vtuber can shape their own destiny and left legacy for eternity not termination.

I understand her vision now

>>31279548
People said console gaming would die out. Now we have mobile games and pc games.

People said streaming could not be a real job. Now streaming is considered the most highest pay ceiling job on the Internet.

Vtubing will evolve, but we might not recognize it.

>>31280375
i mean if you don't want a company to end you just start and grind as an indie

>>31280613
It's already changed for the worse

>>31278742
VShojo doesn't produce anything though. They are not adding any value or creating any vtubers.
It would be a fucking nerve for them to keep identities and models they had no part in creating.

Except KSON would be a nobody without Hololive, and all her fans came from her being Coco.
And your precious VShitshow would not have taken her without her fanbase.

>>31281156
That is not true, Kson has her fans not just from Hololive but for her own heroic efforts

>>31278742
Typical corpo talk big promises but all talk! What do you know about the indies? You've never been poor? You've never had to struggle to survive like Delta!

>Nonononono you don't get it corpo vtubers play a character they are forced on a model that they can't even choose
>*graduates*
>a-actually I want to keep that character pls

>>31281558
Our struggles have always been the indies, about you.

>>31278742

>>31281576
And graduation had always been the pain of this Vtubing world. For your Oshi to lose everything.

Hey OP, where do I sign up to get my share out of that 11 million Vshojo invested into his corpo? They have to pay you nicely, don't they?

>>31281558
>>31281613
Through the struggle of Delta and her fans the thread of Fate has been restored. Her perseverance, bonds of friendship and rejection of corpos has restored hope. Vtubing will begin to heal.

>>31282013
The evils of the past have been purged and now a new future a new world can begin. That world is yours.

>Graduation IS DEATH.
Then how come kson isn't dead?

>>31282198
no, it's Coco

>>31278742
If Kson is Jesus, who is Judas?

>>31282420
You know who. Artia.

>>31278742
>Because under the current Idol model by Hololive and Nijisanji, Graduation IS DEATH. What use it will be to achieve when you cannot even carry your own achievements to your grave?
Bora graduated and reincarnated one month later and every single one of her fans followed her. You could say Bora is "dead", but as far as fans are concerned it's the same person doing the same thing with a different outfit. And this happens with everybody with a decent following, kson included, the only thing kson couldn't do after graduating is collabing with holomembers but that doesn't have anything to do with the models

>>31282420

>>31282494
Bora was gone for half a year.

>>31281398
rumao

>>31278742
>a world where Vtubers can be free no matter they are, to retain the efforts of the sweat of their brow instead of losing it.
godspeed, it will be fucking hard, most already think it's impossible.

>>31278742
I applauded her for her valiant effort, so I supported her even as kson. But then she started whoring herself - noped the fuck out.

>>31281156
Fuck you, Tatsunokos and Shientei from Kson's NND era help her shape SC culture for Hololive as whole.

>>31282286
Her channel is still there with the vods available and the person who played seems to be doing just fine. I don't see any death.

>>31282198
Coco is death

>>31282817
She can't continue as Coco anymore.
She is frozen in prison of time and never awake again.

>>31282784
Same here, also the timing being exactly one year was bitter to swallow. Felt like she was lying to the fans - and to other indies while waiting for the non-compete to end.

It's a genius system really since the vshojo CEO gets all the income without actually having to do anything, literally all he did was slap brand stickers onto random established indie vtubers.

Ultimately it only works in the west though since it relies on the audience not giving a shit about the streamers being despicable whores. Japs would never tolerate the amount of yabs vwhores produce on a weekly basis.

There's also the fact that they can't grow in numbers unless they find a new big indie streamer to agree to have their brand sticker slapped onto them (only Shylily and Saruei are big enough to be worth it atm). In terms of monetary gain they're getting kind of bottlenecked.

>>31282817
>Her channel is still there with the vods
it's like a her dead body, reminds you that there was once a phenomenal vtuber named Kiryu Coco

>>31278742
>Graduation IS DEATH
I fucking wish

>>31283074
She rejected Ironmouse and Melody offer on stream anon. Mouse even said very surpire that Kaon really join them.

> Rushia's termination always a key factor made Kson join Vshoujo.
> March 2020

>>31281136
>creating any vtubers
froot, amemiya nazuna, hime hajime

>>31283343
you must really like that 3d model, you are posting it everywhere

>>31283453
She did it by herself and I actually like it but shitpost for love anyway

>>31283343
FUCK YOU SUPER 3D POSTER

>>31283076
The company is coasting real hard off mouse and (previously) nyanners. They showed up at the perfect time to attract the twitch audience who was just learning about vtubers as a monetary asset. The bubble will pop and if kson and not-rushia are the 1.5 wave then 2.0 is fucked beyond belief because VSJ girls just don't make any actual friends they would like added who aren't already successful due to the clout circus they all chase.

>>31283453
Lmaoing @ this retarded cope. Keksonfags really had given up on defending their oshi's whorishness

>>31283786
> He really doesn't know

>>31278742
If Hololive would give Kiryu Coco model to her she will do an onlyfans with it and sell NSFW material. Then she will expand anti chink material and the news will say "EX-COVER CORP vtuber did this and this". Better if they keep the models that they paid for and don't let some retard shit on their legacy or use it to scratch a few more dollars with it. If they wanna be indies they can do it by themselves

>>31283953
Enlighten me grand sage of rrats.

>>31278742
Kekson Apologists working hard for nothing again

>>31278742
Kson have fallen massively as a person over past half a year though... and im not talking numbers.
My respect for her have gradually gone down and I've followed her since Feb 2020...

>>31284207
There's no need to explain anything to a Kekson Apologists.
They will always dream of their oshi as an anime protagonist who will topple down corporate evil.

>>31283879
i wonder if all holoniggers have the IQ of a baboon.

>>31284434
wasn't that your real IQ anon?

>>31282013
>live 2d preview
fake

>>31280684
>not having your cake and eating it too

>>31278742
Shut the fuck up Henry

>>31284498
>no you
well, it seems to be true

>>31278742
Bullshit, even indies fade away and stop streaming. There's no reincarnation for them, they just disappear from the internet. You think Nyanners and Kson are going to stream forever? One day they will stop too.

>>31284434
I didn't even mention hololive anon. You must really like holos if you can't stop talking about them

>>31284421
They always use Metal Gear too. Like that guy who absolutely insists fucking vshojo the twitch egirl conglomerate is "outer heaven" where they'll be "free from the system".

Please my friends, learn the difference between a referential joke and an autism spiral.

>>31284421
Damn right, hail victory, hail Kson.
But seriously, unless Kson antis give me a real reason to dislike her then I will continue to disregard their opinions. I am all ears.

>>31285105
>Nyanners
>Stop
She has been playing this game too long, son, there is no out for her.

>>31285287
Yeah, she is stuck here with us forever

>>31284421
>They will always dream of their oshi as an anime protagonist who will topple down corporate evil.
Only the more humble ones do this. The average keksonfags probably believe their oshi can topple down Xi Jinping.

>>31285185
>a real reason
She's an ugly fat thot. There, 3 reasons to hate a woman

I'm still waiting for a timestamp where kson says what the retards in this thread claim.

>>31285537
1. None of those things are true about her 2. None of those things are a reason to hate a person.

You’re just mad and lonely person who is projecting

>>31282198
>>31282494
This. It's a self-defeating argument because both Kson and Nazuna are in a much better spot explicitly thanks to their PL. In fact one could easily make the counter-argument that, where a model like Cover or Anykara's can bring the spotlight to talented yet unknown personalities and give them the opportunity to rise to fame, something like VShojo brings nothing of value to the vtuber scene as a whole by just recruiting already established individuals with enough clout to stand on their own. Something something eating cakes.

>>31285542
ksongumi bro stop reading bait threads.
And for the love of God stop turning into a rabid attack dog for whatever tribe wants you. You're only making it worse for yourself and you've already got a terrible rep at this point.

>>31285537
So.... Nothing. I see you, communist.

>>31285678
>None of those things are true about her
Literally look at any of her recent pics. Go on, take a gander.
>None of those things are a reason to hate a person.
Yes? Nobody likes fatties, uggos or whores
>You’re just mad and lonely person who is projecting
What's with this reddit tier deflection?

>>31285828
You’re very retarded. Please kys.

>>31285778
>fat whore apologists
Ok then

>>31278742
Who?

>>31285898
Better dead than red.

>>31285828
Just admit you lost the argument and have nothing of note to add

>>31285881
No
Wat nou? Gonna cry?

>>31285941
Sure. Go ahead and die then.

>>31282099
The past is always better, and we’re returning to it.

>>31285972
I would cry with happiness of you were dead and so would everyone else in your life

>>31285961
I haven't seen anyone disproving kekson's fatness, ugliness, or whoreness itt

>>31286098
>he seethes so hard he forgot how to english
I see

>>31286125
No one’s going to bother because they know you’re trolling by this point

>>31285778
I've been thinking about this. Shouldn't an absolute freedom owned by one person that lead a group of people be called "dictatorship"?

>>31286024
>>31286024
Ching Cheng Chong chang >:(

>>31278742
>he doesn't know
Anon there are already examples of well known corpo chuubers who graduated and lost the rights to their old model but ended up more successful than ever. Just stop with the cope. The fact is that if your a actually talented person, you can make it regardless of the avatar or model. Kson is obviously not that kind of person as recent events have shown.

>>31286660
It depends on if that person is denying the freedom they have to everyone else.

>>31280613
>>31278742

(Actual) Virtual Reality will save vtubing. Its kind of crazy how far the technology has already come.

Every "ugly" person with a cute voice/a unique talent, can become a vtuber.* She can earn more if she fullfills certain ideas/hopes/concecpts her viewers might have.

*with voice changing it can literally anybody (female).

>>31286342
No one's going to bother because they know they can't

>>31286790
What recent events? She’s doing fine on twitch.

>>31286706
Imagine fighting imaginary chinks just to defend some fat ugly whore :)

Look at /vt/ throwing the word whore around as if everyone here is some sort of catholic priest. The word whore has become in this space what the word racist and bigot has become everywhere else.

>>31287296
>Don't tell this anon about Polka, Botan and Subaru.

>>31287433
>t. Roastie whore
Should we call them sex workers?

>>31287460
Whoa, I don't know anything about this at all. How many of them flaunt their lard in a public convention again?

>>31284554
I suppose this is what bothering me about kson. People keep playing her up as this selfless figure when in actuality she's an entitled cunt just like everyone else

>>31285132
You talk about them all the time.

>>31287282

>>31288044
No I didn't. Why are you lying on the internet?

>>31287072
The problem is when these uggos start using their real face because they assume people will like them. I don't want chuubas to be themselves. I want them to be idealized anime girls

>>31288169
You should stop avatarfagging if you don't want people to recognize you.

>>31278742
O HENRY FULGRIM

>>31288715
Pfft. Let me guess, you think everyone who dislike kekson is the same guy?

>>31287547
Sex work isn't real work so no

>>31288865
There's actually only a few different posters who say "kekson", they are all regulars in /hlgg/ and the number thread which is a Hololive colony. You should probably stop saying that too if you want to pretend you aren't a Holoschizo.

>>31289146
>NOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CALL MY OSHI MEAN NAMES OR YOU'RE A HOLOSCHIZO!!
Try harder. I called her a kekson because I heard someone else call her that and it was true.

>gaslighting
kek

>>31289596
>I heard someone else call her that
Right, in one of two Hololive fan threads that you frequent. Cease embarrassing yourself and just stop posting.

>>31289765
Nice headcanon man. This isn't /wg/ though

So... who is Raiden?

>>31289919
You know you can just search for the filename in the archive and find out exactly where he came from, right?

>>31290246
What filename? I hadn't posted a single img on this thread.
Are you having a schizo episode or something?

>>31289987
me.

Giving talents freedom to do whatever they want. What a load of BULLSHIT! All you care about is lining your own pockets, and showing your tits. You got no principals. Just like all the rest. If corporate vtubing has gone to shit, you're just another ethot crawling in the pile.

>>31278742
Kson and coco are not the same however much you want them to be and that's a good thing. If kson had been allowed to keep coco it would have ruined coco. The fact she has to give up the character means the memories of that character cannot be tarnished in the same way by whatever retarded shit they do as an indie.

>>31287296
Ching Chong Cheng Chong Ching Ching >:/

>>31278742
I don't see why both systems can't exist at the same time.
For some talents hololive will be the better deal and for others vshojo.

>>31278742
>Idol model by Hololive and Nijisanji
>Idol model
>Nijisanji

>>31291072
Both are trash. People just see coco with rose tinted glasses

>>31291102
Problem?

>>31291251
Ching Chong Cheng Chong Cheng Xi Cheng Chong :P

>>31291106
they certainly can. Its only when one side is making swipes at the other for no real reason is when people get uppity. You pretty much would want vshojo if you hate the idea of having a manager and if youre talented enough to sustain your own growth.

Again some people thrive in that kinda environment and others dont.

>>31291366
I see. Continue on seething my gweilo friend

>>31288991
Stop being a chauvinist pig chud

>>31291507
You are right but while I agree that Silver shouldn't have singled out Hololive in that interview I also don't think she had any real malice in mind and what she actually said isn't even that egregious.

>>31278742
don't care lol

>>31278742
Kson is still shit though

>>31289146
kekson

VShojo is the status quo of coomerbait streaming. They aren't there to innovate like how Amouranth isn't there to innovate but still rakes $30 million off OnlyFans without trying.

>this delusional keksonfag again
how many thread you're gonna make anon ?
>What use it will be to achieve when you cannot even carry your own achievements to your grave?
Kson now can carry her achievements to her grave yet she doesn't achive anyshit since she become indie so she is pulling a Ayame now ? lol

>Coco twerks
>HOLY SHIT AMAZING, HAHA BASED IDOL
>Kson twerks
>LOOK AT THIS FUCKING WHORE
Do you guys not see the issue here? Maybe a tiny bit of double standards perhaps?

>>31283343