/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31160935
They are fun and I enjoy watching them.

Sora don't deserve all those respect. Fubuki does

>>31160935
Having a big ass is irrelevant for a vtuber, only breasts matter

>>31160935
Pekora sucks

>>31160935
VShojo is Jewish

>>31160935
Your oshi has a nice and tight body and hasn't been touched by men, ever.

Most people only watch kronii for the tits actually this may not be so unpopular

watching vtubers is fun

>>31160935
Kroni is a trani

Sana was the best holocouncil

>>31161129
you suck

>>31160935
they should stop secretly flicking their bean while doing zatsudan

>>31161298
this but unironically, if only she had put more effort...

watching the fall of the unicorn is the most fun i've had in ages

Being parasocially attached to a vtuber is actually not healthy should be avoided

>>31161085
>Sora don't deserve all those respect.
disagree
>Fubuki does
agreed

I don't like when vtubers scold their chat because of the actions of a few fans. It kills the vibe and makes me think less of them

>>31160935
I think HoloEN and Ollie shilling Tempus and Stars is potentially the worst thing to do if the goal is to keep fans and viewers after the months of ghosting and not streaming. But not for the reasons you think.
The problem is most of the girls in terms of entertainment are just not funny when you get rid of the "cute girls doing cute things". Once they remove that by bringing up guys so much people will start viewing them like a normal streamer and will naturally just go and watch the more interesting one instead of having a Oshi. Which could be Tempus or a flesh tuber. They might not even completely drop the girls, just not watch them religiously and will watch someone more entertaining if conflicting streams happen.

>>31160935
I hate coombaiters and chuubas who only rely on sex jokes but love to jack off to AVtubers

>>31160935
Gura overrated

Women aren't funny.

>>31161555
Another unpopular opinion i think its dumb to have an oshi in the first place obsessing over one particular streamer is a recipe for disappointment and heartbreak im a fan of en in general but I wouldn’t call any of them my favorite

>>31160935
I love IRyS.

>>31160935
Watching vtubers is a worthless waste of time

>>31160935
Kaela is Riksa Genderbend but in hololive

>>31160935
/vt/ ruined vtubing.

>>31163122
Based

>>31163122
Holy Based

>>31160935
Streaming as their main content is trash. I miss the short creative videos

>>31161298
That's true unfortunately. She was truly funny and goofy personality personally similar to Nene, I even thought of her as my EN oshi for some time. It's a great pity she didn't put enough effort and ended up graduating. She could had been the most popular council member.

>>31163122
uhhh this is opinion thread sir don't state a fact here

>>31160935
Only unmarried Japanese hags should be allowed to be vtubers

>The problem is most of the girls in terms of entertainment are just not funny when you get rid of the "cute girls doing cute things".
>will naturally just go and watch the more interesting one instead of having a Oshi

This happened to me.

>>31161555
>>31164151

missed the reply cause captcha

Chat interaction matters for stream consumption. 2views are great to watch streams of, the big streamers are really only watchable in clip format.

I don't understand how you can watch JP chuubas without being able to understand japanese. I enjoy them because I can understand what they're saying, but I can't watch ID girls streaming in Indonesian even if I like the girl.

>>31162410
You can have multiple oshi. Having an oshi doesn't mean you're her gachikoi.

>>31161195
I do and do not watch any stream where she covers them up.

>>31160935
Current popular vtubers are like fast food, convenient but low quality, fake personality and fake reaction. Fans should learn to appreciate humble but real traits.

>>31160935
collab stream not actually bring anything positive to virtual youtuber.
Vtuber are lives and dies by their own Solo-Content.
Even you get so many spotlight from the collab, if your solo-stream are not that good, fan wouldn't stay anyway.

EN and ID ruined /vt/

>>31160935
corpos are cancer

>>31163122
>another faggot seething over valid criticisms
more like (you) ruined /vt/

>>31160935
Having humongous boobs on you sucks

>>31163122
OP said opinions not facts

vtubers being open about having boyfriends is actually a good thing as it is a very simple filter that just would get unicorns to move onto another vtuber and avoid any kind of drama really.

Unpopular in general or onpopular on /vt/?
Because if the latter: People not collabing says nothing about their relationship what-so-ever.
Yes. I went there.
Take your meds.

i want my holo chuubas play chink's games

>>31161195
yeah her own split would agree with you

>>31168680
/vt/ didn't even exist until several months after Myth debuted

>>31160935
Where do Reine superchats go? Does she even need it?

>>31160935
Ollie is pure sex and her voice can actually be really cute.

>>31161085
>Sora don't deserve all those respect.

Yeah I never got that. She might be the first but that's it, I don't think she's that special either

>>31172959
They go toward a honeymoon suite in the Maldives

>>31161339
yeah, they should start doing it openly

>>31173042
It's literally *just* Japanese seniority autism that people picked up.

>>31160935
You can actually date and even marry your oshi.
You just have to look among indies and have something going for yourself like OC making, technical knowledge or w/e to start the talk on a similar footing.
From experience.

>>31160935
I wish vtubers could show their ass, I don't really care about boobies

>>31161085
>Fubuki does
Fubuki bullied Rushia over and over until she broke down.
So yeah, I agree.

>>31168498
Can't follow more than one person speaking English at the same time, huh?

>>31174462
Wasn't her "bullying" literally overlapping her streams in an agency with like 30 talents

>>31160935
Unicorns are right.

>>31174568
Yes, a true monster. Everyone was too afraid to speak up.

>>31174568
Yes, that's how you can tell Rushia is an entitled whore.

Vshojo growing into legitimate competition for Hololive is a good thing and I don't even like any of the Vshojo girls

>>31160935
Vtubing died with L2D and Nijisanji popularizing streaming as main content.
Most of the western audience now praises being "yourself" and "genuine", basically a streamer with a drawing instead of a face.

IRyS is a whore that wouldn't mind getting raped and creamed if the dude is hot

>>31160935
They and the community need to toughen the fuck up

>>31175405
Yeah, with me

Gura is cringe.

>>31175609
this is common knowledge not a controversial opinion

>>31160935
I think it's possible for vtubers to have some kind of romantic (and healthy) relationship with their viewers.

>>31172959
Where do you think she gets her personal death squad’s salary from?

>>31160935
in reality, they are actually 3D women, and purely on that basis I will never ever donate, become a member or contribute financially in any other conceivable way.

>>31160935
Pekora getting that weird pet rrat monkey was ogey>>31160935

>>31176686
It's basically the same as a sugar glider but leaving it in the open with the cat is kinda fucked up.

>>31176686
bubbles-san... I hope he's still alive...

Ollie is the cutest ID member.

i like women

>>31176918
based

ID is a joke branch that should just be shut down to save embarrassment.
wait did you say UNpopular? whoops

>>31161110
Opinion discarded

Most of the hate on her isn’t genuine and most posters are just doing it because they are bored.

>>31160935
I miss Artia

Being an obsessive anti to an internet micro-celebrity, even if they genuinely suck, is about the saddest shit a human being can do with their time.
I know that isn't unpopular in general but it seems to be here.

>>31177820
Do you really belib

>>31177815
There is not a lot of Pekora hate thread

>>31178475
I believe anon was making a blanket statement for all chuubas

ive watch every single holo and enjoyed them to at some degree. but Kanata seems to be the most boring for me, not hating. it just she really doesn't click with me. not for me i guess

The new EN Holostars are alright.
Holo EN is enjoyable to watch.
Vshojo is a cesspool but this isn't an unpopular opinion at all.
Shylily will join vshojo at the rate she licks the members' asses on twitter.

holoen is a mistake

>>31178599
He said "her" so I think he was talking about one particular vtuber
I think he was talking about the post about Marine above him

I hate women.

>>31179369
I think the joke was that every ready can project whoever they want onto it and it'll still fit.

>>31179369
I think the joke was that every reader can project whoever they want onto it and it'll still fit.

>>31160935
They aren't actually real and it's all an elaborate act by 3DPD normies.

>>31167661
>Fans should learn to appreciate humble but real traits.
What do you mean by that?

>>31160935
big name vtubers who spend immoderate amounts of time streaming will only impair their brand value and no, playing vidya isn't condisered hard work

if your fans don't have FOMO they are tourists/fake fans

>>31163721
Haha I’ll just scream and repeat alliterations that’s so funny

>>31179433
What is a woman?

rust and ark are trash and i'm tired of pretending they're "kino" because vtubers can throw poop at each other

>>31180396
like a man but worse at making me cum

>>31160935
Whores are good and fun to watch, everyone who disagrees is more likely than not to be a seething incel.

Maletubers are killing vtubing. The moment a chuuba collabs or interacts with a male all the appeal is instantly gone and there's no point in watching her. Unicorns are right about everything.

>>31180787
The thread is about unpopular opinions anon.

/vt/ will start liking Ollie the same way that /vt/ realised that Kiara was actually good.

>>31160935
All vtubers should marry me and bear my children, even the males.

>>31180693
Nah that's just not what I'm here for, you're probably right about the ones who seethe over them though.

>>31180693
True and based. Seiso girls are boring

>>31160935
I really don't like male x female vtuber interactions

>>31160935
>Mumei's drawing streams are boring.
They start out very fun because of her cursed drawings but then they get boring because Mumei can't keep a conversation with her chat interesting for more than 20 minutes and gets sillent sometimes because she has nothing else to say. Add that to the fact that her streams are over 3 hours long.

>IRyS is really annoying when she's talking about something in English and then switches to Japanese mid-conversation for no reason thinking the chat will understand what she's saying, her JP viewers numbers are not even that big.
Why does she keep doing that if she's EN and not JP?

>>31160935
Mori did nothing wrong.

>>31180396
NOUGH!

>>31160935
Male x Female vtuber collabs are great. Getting to watch unicorns have parasocial meltdowns is hilarious.

>>31182685
Are you one of those people who insist Niji's GFE streams are for people with healthy social lives and stable mental health but also spend their friday nights watching vtubers pretend to be their girlfriend?

>>31160935
VShojo is good.

>>31180693
they can be but pic related is probably the worst example you could've chosen

Collabs fucking suck unless it's between consistent partners. Everyone's first few collabs are just introductions and acting out their stereotypical memes for the other's audience, and playing a usually shitty co-op game while ignoring chat. This does not appeal to either vtuber's fans, and the other vtuber's fans are there for their own oshi, not whoever is trying to steal them away. The target audience of collabs are people who don't watch either streamer.

vtubers are not our therapist, but we aren't their therapist either

>>31182759
GFE streams are mad cringe. I don't watch a lot of vtubers because GFE is all they bring to the table. I enjoy collabs mainly just because they bring me long lost memories of Two best friends play. If a chuuba is interesting enough i'll watch their solo content. Sadly a lot of them aren't.

>>31179369
>>31179531
I just assumed that was supposed to be "here".

Brown skin vtubers is a debuff.

Hololive and Nijisanji are essentially in the "too big to fail" category for vtubing corpos, in that they could face massive, massive catastrophes, like losing 10 talents in a year, and still come out okay. There would have to be an economic depression or a massive accounting yab with someone cooking the books for either company to even come close to going bankrupt

>>31160935
Emulating anything about idol culture is exploitative and toxic. Vtubing should try to be its own thing so people can have fun instead of sending death threats to their oshis.

>>31182685
so you're admitting that your oshi is /vt/? That's pretty cringe, anon.

I have to thank Sana for leaving hololive. Because of her, I started questioning the talent of all the girls. If Sana can make it and I’m not impressed by her, does that mean the other girls are lame too? Thankfully I know that’s not the case, because she’s gone. My faith in the girl’s abilities has been restored.

>>31160935
Tsukino Mito and Eilene are the face of vtubing.

>>31160935
All female vtubers should be lesbians with the exception of the one that's with me.

>>31160935
Tempus is pretty based

>>31160935
Watching clips is way more entertaining and obviously way less time consuming than watching the vtuber's entire stream. Faggots who complain about clippers are autistic. If you don't want other people leeching off of their videos, they should really start making highlights themselves already. I watch shit to be entertained, I don't give a fuck about loyalty or whatever bullshit, once they start making their own clips and highlights, I'll watch those.

Vshojo's "talent freedom" business model is ideal, and the only reason it gets memed to death is because of the subpar character of some of the girls themselves.

There is nothing wrong with being a "whore" because Vtubing at its core has always been about pandering to lonely anime fans. It's a separate niche from the seiso girls, but it's equally as valid. The turbo thots will service the coomers while the classy ones will provide a more well-rounded experience where their other talents can be appreciated too.

You should always maintain a healthy degree of separation between (You) and your oshis. It's fun to larp about having a personal intimate relationship with them, but unironic schizo unicorns who have dove too deep on the parasocial relationship need an intervention, both for the sake of their own mental health and their finances. Also, the character and the person behind the avatar should be viewed as two separate entities. The only thing that should matter is how they present themselves on stream, and not what happens behind the scenes. In other words, waifu the character not the voice actor.

That said, the people who rally against idol culture and unicorns are retards who don't seem to understand that disrespecting the culture has its own downsides because in a way it acts as gatekeeping quality control. Sometimes the complaints of these fans come from legitimate concerns, but they quickly brushed aside by these Vtweeters and "news"(drama) channels who then show their true colors by falling back on the "anime fans are losers" rhetoric while ironically and hypocritically trying to tap into that market for revenue.

Unity between talents from different agencies should not be universally accepted, it must be earned on an individual basis. Tribalfagging is funny, but it's also important for community discourse lest we turn into another overly positive circle-jerking echo-chamber like reddit. Despite how unhinged this board can be, it's still the best place to discuss Vtubers and there are some genuinely good and talented people in these threads.

>>31185325
>Hot take lightning round
There is nothing wrong with being an EoP who refuses to do their reps.
Clips are often the superior way to consume Vtuber content.
Numberfags are the scum of the earth and should be kept in their containment thread.
Holostars Tempus was the best thing to happen to the EN branch, more so than EN3 would have been.
It is completely justified to lock content behind higher tiered memberships, especially now that gifted memberships are a thing. Just don't expect me to pay if it's over $10 unless they're the only one I'm membered to.
Sana was mediocre, it wasn't just a "brown skin debuff" or the fact she didn't stream.
Anyone who claims they don't feel ASMR tingles is either a filthy fucking liar or they have unbelievably shit headphones.

>>31160935
Holostars are more like idols than Hololive. They're more talented, they're underdogs, they're more professional, and they've had to work harder. Sora might have started out as a 2view herself, but I've never heard of her facing the same kind of backlash Miyabi did.

>>31185325
>Despite how unhinged this board can be, it's still the best place to discuss Vtubers and there are some genuinely good and talented people in these threads.
this is genuinely the worst take I've ever seen on this site, congratulations.
It's like saying /pol/ is the best place for intellectual, thought provoking political discussion

If there are Live & Stars Subreddits, why do some faggots still post Stars in Live?

That's my only controversial take. Since people raged and made chimp noises when I talked about it before, I guess it's controversial to expect seeing hololive in a hololive community.

Other communities would deal with this retardation way swifter instead of encouraging it.

>>31161015
fpbp, absolutely based, this is the only true opinion in this thread, disregard everything else

English vtubers are cancer and nees to be deleted, branching out of japan killed all the fun, the thought of some ugly indian girl shitting on the street then coming into her mansion to pretend to be an anime girl is disgusting

I've been in this thing since the beginning of Kizuna AI. I have watched a total of maybe 5 streams to their completion in this entire time period. I legitimately do not get the appeal of streams. Things were better as skits, songs, or edited videos. Streams are dull, and I have never been engrossed in one relating to video games. The 5 or so I watched were only fun because they were concerts or I really had nothing to do. The old content was MUCH better.

>>31186017
I feel u brother

>>31180693
Someone who gets laid wouldn't waste time and money on some vtuber bitch who only panders to incels. A true normalfag would at best just watch clips from the most popular vtubers.

>>31172959
Kiara's bank account

>>31178125
You should say it in Kiwifarms where that opinion is even more unpopular than here.
You did not even get a (you), before I responded

I hate how top corporate vtubers paranoically try to hide their identities which is impossible on the internet even more so when they're pretty darn famous

>>31185781
internet points. Why would i post in a more specific, smaller subreddit where i'll get less heckin updoots when i could post in the bigger general subreddit and get lots of updoots

>>31161298
I MISS MY OZZIE BITCH

>>31185781
>>31186763
Are you two lost?

>>31178125
It's genuinely depressing how this counts as an unpopular opinion.

>>31186811
>what is banter and sarcasm

>>31186311
>Chicken findomming SEA royalty
Honestly based

the anonymity of the people behind the chuubas is actually a bad thing. Kizuna Ai and Gamebu's yab would hadn't been a thing if the "soul behind the chuuba" bullshit was removed, and make it so the seiyuus behind the role were public knowledge in the first place; treat them like anime seiyuus that can take multiple roles or can be substituted when the original is unavailable.

>>31187058
to add to it, the whole bullshit about Kizuna Ai would be a non-issue if they make it so Non-chan appears in public announcing she's going to have assistants who will assume the role of Kizuna Ais to lighten her workload. but that meant Non-chan's role would had been public in the first place for it to work. upd8 put themselves in a difficult place when they kept her seiyuu a secret to the public.

>>31177820
Artia was actually a good vtuber, better 99% of the trash EN vtubers out there.

>>31185458
vtubers as a whole were looked down upon in the early days, really they still are largely looked down on by the greater otaku community, about the "fake" nature of it and how they sponge money from their fans etc, but vtubers are large enough now that they are their own subculture. But Sora has talked about how in the early days whenever she would do events and appearances and collabs there were always people who would look down on her for being a vtuber, and the negative comments she would receive were much more visible when there weren't that many comments in the first place.

>>31173042
>>31174242
>>31161085
I guess I can say that my controversial opinion is that Sora not only deserves all the respect she gets, but actually deserves much more. In my opinion Sora is the most important vtuber historically speaking, Even more than Kizuna. She may have started as a nondescript Kizuna clone but in the end she changed everything, it wasn't long before Kizuna and everyone else were the ones copying Sora.
You may not like it or you may meme it, but hololive's idol ambitions and image, modeled after Sora, are a large part of the reason hololive, and really vtubers in general, became so big. Even Kizuna Ai became an idol after Sora and hololive made it cool. Before Sora vtubers were just like any other YouTuber but with an anime avatar. But now vtubers are 'idols', they're entertainers, they sing and hold concerts. Sora even pioneered vtubers streaming in general, most of her content has always been long form live streaming, other vtubers saw how much she was making from superchats despite a smaller audience and copied her. She may not have been the most popular herself but she was at the forefront of pretty much everything that vtubers are today, and she formed and carried the company that has put vtubers on the map around the world and that has made all her kouhais wealthy, it'd be strange if she wasn't highly respected.


soratomo out

>>31161085
No Fubuki doesn’t

>>31186757
It's because they try keeping there character and also some of them doesn't want to be associated with their old personas

>>31161110
Negative IQ take

>>31184271
>Eilene
You mean the girl who rebranded as a tall blond girl Makari with a 3D model or something? She quickly lost all the quirky jokes she used to do man I watched for a while but got bored

>>31187563
it's also a matter of total control for the company. you can put your soul and effort on your character, but the company can take everything away from you if you do something wrong to their eyes. Rushia learned this the hard way and who knows who might be next. watame, suisei and mori are probably the ones who'll lose the most because they built their whole careers over a character that they don't even own in the first place.

>>31160935
Every vtuber who isnt appealing to unicorns should get raped corrected

>>31165161
Yeah I never got that too, having an oshi that speaks a language you don’t understand seems completely out of the question to me

>>31184271
Who?

>>31187696
You'll never have sex, incel faggot

>>31187714
Western chuubas act completely differently than JPs. Even if I don't understand them, that is better than watching girls I don't like. Besides, if you got in this hobby before EN, that's all you had and you get used to it.

>>31187579
Yeah I must say I was also surprised when I came back and Eilene looked like this. What money can do to someone.

>>31160935
I don't like Pekora at all. She's really repulsive. I don't see any appeal in her at all.

>>31186017
See, what's going on here is your brain has been trained by youtube to think:
a) Content must be short, curated and stimuli dense.
b) It must all be consumed in one sitting.
c) It requires undivided attention.

In reality, vtubing is a much more causal and personalized experience. You're free to put it on in the background while you do laundry. You can dip out an hour or two early. You're oshi will accept you all the same. Quintessentially, you're offered a simulated window into a shared life with a character but even irl married couples don't spend every waking moment together lest they miss each other's content.

>>31163122
That's not twitter

>>31172959
Me, her boyfriend

>>31187432
Based soratomo

AI will eventually replace vtubers because they can interact with all of their viewers.

>>31163122
That's not opinion, that's a fact, anon. This place is like a dumpy bar that is stinky and depressing, but everybody comes here because of fun company and because there's always action happening around here 24/7.

>>31187863
All you're really saying is that vtuber streams are about as interesting as the noise you hear at a busstop.

>>31187432
Yeah, Sora is THE idol.

>>31187783
Idk if watching clips is enough for me to claim I got into it but I watched tons of clips every day since about beginning of 2020, but the only streams of jp chuubas I finished completely were Korones henry stickmin and her english mario bros streams, both of which were heavily english

It’s not personal, but in regular streams I’m effectively listening to someone speaking in tongues. It’s just not enough no matter how much I like the girl, the voice or the design. I tuned into other streams where I liked the game but it just can’t grab me forever when I can’t understand her.

>>31187863
Thank you for laying it out in a way that I can understand. However, I think that kind of content requires a certain type of person for it to be enjoyable. If I'm doing something like laundry, I would rather be lost in thought or focused on what I'm doing. And the appeal of vtubing back then to me was seeing "anime girls" do cute things outside of a set plot. And if I'm browsing this place, I would prefer to listen to music or do it in silence. Maybe it's my age, but I just can't find enjoyment in entertainment that I can't focus on (except for music). Multitasking is something my brain hates.

>>31160935
All I care about are the "live" concerts.

>>31187432
I wrote a haiku

Sky, a humble dream
Sings softly, a flowing stream
A dream, the world knew

thank you

>>31187974
Okay, have it your way. I'm not invested in convincing you that parasocial relationships exist. Maybe go watch anime instead? Sounds more your jam.

Streaming video games is not content.

>>31187863
>Your oshi will accept you either way
Lmao your oshi will neither accept nor reject you because she isn’t aware of your existence. You’re larping a one-sided relationship

>>31188148
And now you're just saying that streams aren't good if you're not parasocial with the streamer, which is just proof that it's not good content.
If you just want something to listen to while you do other shit you might as well just put on a documentary instead, then you might actually learn something as well.

>>31160935
I want Holomyth to stream together again ( ._.)

>>31188179
Anything is content if you’re an actual entertainer. The problem is that not a lot of them can make it interesting

>>31188103
even the lives are getting kinda stale now. it's always the same sing > sing with guest > have a short talk > repeat last two steps a couple of times > shill merch at the end > sing the newest single routine. others tried to break the formula like doing variety skits but they end up being unpopular anyway.

>>31160935
Clipwatchers aren't inherently bad. A few bad apples who watch people like Otakmori have ruined their reputation, but most people watch clips because they don't know Japanese (and don't like HoloEN for whatever reason) or because they can't watch streams due to timezone differences or lack of time.
Clipwatchers also buy merch, so they're a net positive unlike grey streamwatchers.

There is zero meaningful difference between simping for a vtuber and simping for someone like Pokimane. You're both into ethots.

>>31188299
how about greywatchers who buy merch?

>>31160935
I do not care for HoloEN.
I only watch HoloJP.
t. started doing reps when Myth was announced

>>31188339
Do such strange creatures exist?

I don't like when chuubas refer to viewers as "chat" because it sounds like "chad"

>>31163122
On the contrary, it only showed the difference between the fanbases of different groups, showed off the rest of the VTubing industry outside of the big 2 and reinforced my decision to stick with Hololive.
Also this is probably the best place to discuss chuubas once you learn to recognize schizos by lurking more

>>31188211
Actually, it's both the streamer and the audience larping that they know each other. And hey, getting a sliver of her attention every once in a while is its own kind of fun.

>>31165161
cuteness has no borders.

>>31188324
based

>>31188373
I see no problem with that

>>31182685
> t.

>>31160935
Hololive winning the culture war and becoming the introduction of Vtuber culture in the West has become the reason why Vtubing has a whole has declined.
It forced new talents and companies to think that only idol culture brings success in the Vtubing fiels. If Niji or even VShojo won, we could have had more come out of Vtubing as a whole instead of just watching women act 17 years old, play video games in the worst way possible and to sing and dance as if their overweight bodies can still manage

Irrelevant vtubers fans like sora, roboco, a-chan (I know she's not a vtuber), and such are just a buch of coomer-ass fags who can't take any bashing. I fucking hate it when people defend a corporate-heartless dog like a-chan, just because she has some lewd fanarts

>>31188324
thanks Hana

>>31187058
This is a retarded opinion. That would mean the companies would require their talents to have acting skills to perform a certain character. Vtubers would just become an empty souless tv show.

>>31188254
"Good content" is subjective and yeah, no shit it wouldn't be good if you take out a crucial element. You have no point here except to bizarrely try push me into doing something different with my time? Lol, where did you come from, obtuse fellow?

>>31180693
Nonsensical since her fanbase is solely comprised of incels

>>31185458
>>31173042
>>31174242
>>31161085
If this silly girl hadn't persevered with an equally silly dream through those first months of uncertainty and doubt, when it all just seemed like a major flop and waste of time and a bad investment and every day began probably with the thought of just giving up, then hololive wouldn't exist.
That's one of the reasons why she's respected. It's not simply jap corpo seniority autism.
Also as the face and essentially mascot for Hololive and Cover Corp. Sora has pressures on her that the others never have to be burdened with. She has to take extra care compared with the others for every stream, every tweet and proabably every internal discord communique as well. She cannot fuck up. She cannot commit a yab the others can and have and as easily get away with it. That's her burden as daisenpai, a symbol and company "mascot" and the other girls and guys recognize this. Better her than them, after all. Who wants extra responsibility? No one that's who.

>>31188599
not really. they can still be the same as your usual chuuba, the only exception is that you know who's behind that character. some chuubas actually can pull this off well, like the original Desuwa.

>>31186811
I'm very much lost. I'd LOVE to ask this question on the subreddit, but the pieces of shit who invaded the HoloLive community would immediately report the post for inciting drama and being 'anti' even though they're all the real antis.

They joined the fandom just to ruin it for other people, it's literally what antis do.

>>31188617
Good content isn't really subjective, there are reasons why edited lets plays became the norm like a decade ago and why Dream, one of the largest Youtubers nowadays, make edited videos of him playing Minecraft with his friends.
I'm also not pushing you to do anything, I'm just telling you that if you just want something to put on in the background to keep the loneliness away then there are better options. Now go and take your meds.

>>31188549
Huh. Never really thought about that. You're probably right, I remember when Kizuna AI was a thing and vtuber stuff was starting out, I was thinking you could do almost anything since they're not real and that leaves the door open for all kinds of content.
Seems vtubers nowadays are basically all the same though.

>>31188806
Not some, but an extremely very few.

>>31175609
she's my cringe and i love her very much and i wouldn't have it any other way

>>31188835
>Dream
Okay, that answers that. I'm pretty sure even he does streams. I can point to you an opposite example. The youtuber known as Senzawa used to make edited youtube content before joining Hololive and quadrupling her subscribers. I guess if "good" means objective numbers to you, then I guess we both have to become football fans or listen to Cardi B or something. I mean, it's cool you've worked out some anger here, so good luck with your anti-vtuber agenda. o7

>>31187432
Based o7

>>31189572
I was talking about trends not numbers, but you're not winning this if you just talk about numbers either. Dream isn't known for his streams, he's known for his edited videos that get tens of millions of views. Senzawa was a literal who and her new form is still in literal who tier, there are countless other channels with more subs and consistent viewers than her.
Even the most popular streamers will hire editors to edit their streams into shorter videos since that's what most people can enjoy since they can't spend all their free time on boring streams.

>>31160935
Im honestly glad that people can make money by pretending to be cute anime girls. World is already tough as it is, no need to make it even worse. I will, however, pretend to hate women.

>>31190382
>pretend

>>31161085
Without Soda, your and my oshi probably won't exist this day

>>31180396
A pile of milk and secrets

>>31161195
She barely even shows them

>>31160935
Ame hasn't been good since the first allergy arc and subsequent "office relocation" way back in early 2021. In fact, Ame was only really good for like 2-3 months.

Lamy's the second strongest Singer of Gen 5

Vtubing is basically anime professional wrestling. Kayfabe is the most important aspect. When a yab happens, we care more about the chuuba breaking character than whatever she actually did.

>>31191915
>In fact, Ame was only really good for like 2-3 months.
Honestly, yeah.
The sun station landing Ame is completely and utterly dead.
Personally I blame the more unhinged Teamates as much as her.

>>31188599
Idk, we all know the actresses behind Matsuri and Noel quite well and that also doesn’t ruin the characters in Hololive most I'd say

>>31160935
there are ~18000 vtubers right now
99.9% of them are shit

Anyone who can attract 10k+ viewers on the regular is a legitimately talented and skilled entertainer who deserves their success.

>>31160935
Amelia Watson is very over rated

>>31189899
Idk what you’re calling "who" here, Senzawa was a huge thing among young weebs for years. Yeah weebs are niche themselves but guess what, to normal people walking on the street Dream is a who as well, you can’t use normie classifications.
Our world is becoming more and more splintered since the internet, this could be seen as a good and a bad thing, but what it definitely means is that calling someone an objective "who" doesn’t work that well anymore.

>>31192747
True, people can always point at them being pushed by their company and they’re right, but in the end people will naturally gravitate to those they deem the most entertaining. That’s why even among same generations there can be such huge subscriber/viewer gaps

>>31192867
>young weebs
Not just young weebs, whippersnapper.

>>31160935
The reason some people don't like Pekora is because they're newfags. Pekora has become a shadow of her former self - if they were here earlier, they would realize she was one of the only few actually entertaining chubaas.

>>31192463
What makes her now different from the time she performed the sun station landing? Because she’s not good at games anymore? Don’t really follow her content

>>31193016
Ok sure, that only makes my point more valid

>>31193563
She's no longer *burning* for pushing the envelope on her content. Ame back then had genuine passion and curiousity. Ame now just kind of... Exists.
She's still good at games but she just plays Apex and Fortnite and whatever happens to come into her orbit.

>>31160935
watching animal-inspired vtubers is furry

>>31174331
I'd rather NOT stick my dick in crazy.

>>31187432
Kinda based I guess

>>31193630
I think it’s not just ame, maybe myth or EN as a whole needs to push some new big event if just to exercise their creativity more.

I feel like the hype in general is dying down. Back in early 2020 it was still "look at this weird japanese thing haha, imagine that in the west" and by now it just lost a lot of what makes it special.

Especially annoying were EN having problems organizing 3D events because of covid and being scattered all over the world. 3D debuts are almost like a second debut and one can only imagine how much it would’ve fueled the vtubing hype if cover managed to do a vr debut of Myth in early 2021.

>>31173042
>she is just the first
no, she is not only just the first, she is alone for 6 months before Roboco debut and already reached 100k subs and carried the company on early days, "they are here thanks to her", "Hololive won't exist without you", "Sora IS Hololive", those are the words from other members themselves

>>31194739
I think what doesn't help is that they are kind of all a bit too defined by their debut goals. They've pretty much checked all of 'em off now so they just coast. That's my impression, anyway.
> I feel like the hype in general is dying down. Back in early 2020 it was still "look at this weird japanese thing haha, imagine that in the west" and by now it just lost a lot of what makes it special.
It needs more high-strung performance artists again, IMHO.
People like Pekora, Marine or Rushia went HARDDDDDD right out the gate.

>>31187432
>But Sora has talked about how in the early days whenever she would do events and appearances and collabs there were always people who would look down on her for being a vtuber
this, most people don't know the struggle of OGs like Sora who push the boundary of vtuber to become the "norm" outside the internet, it's not weird now to see vtuber appear on TV shows, music events etc but back in the days vtuber still viewed with such negativity on those kind of events

>>31161129(me)
I'm retarded I meant to type Miko, that damn whore sucks hard.

>>31160935
live in jp increase ur chance to be in holo

>>31176895
He's called Jill/Jiru-kun, what the fuck is that retarded surname?

>>31161110
Humongous faggot ITT.

I honestly feel like you don't have to put any effort if you get into hololive. As long as you get in you can turn into complete potato sack and you still will have people donating and supporting you. You can easily spam low effort collab/minecarft streams, keep up the cute girl act, don't mention males, and you will have yourself a pretty huge chunk of loyal audience. This is the power of hololive

I think Coco was a better chuuba than Kson.

>>31193458
Pepe singlehandedly carried the Rust streams yesterday but Ogey. She's even more entertaining nowadays than she ever was.

>>31182759
The projection in this post is palpable holy shit

>>31196006
>Pepe

>>31187432
I like and respect Sora but this is mostly revisionism. Specially the parts about Sora's influence turning Kizuna Ai an idol (?) and making Vtuber culture more about music/concerts/livestreams. You're just making shit up

>>31172969
women with raspy voice >>>>>>

>>31160935
kson is actually pretty good

>>31197368
Yeah Pepe, according to BigFish.

>>31160935
Sana was the only holocouncil member where I cared enough to watch their solo streams
I never liked Ame, and feel like her streams are as close to being completely devoid of entertainment value as possible on top of her voice being irritating
Early Ina was a better vtuber than current Ina, back when she did things like Inacademy
Gura's success is no accident and most of the hate she gets is just pure contrarianism

>>31172661
That would stupid on their part. People walking away from a female content creator, that pandered mainly to a male audience, because it was revealed that she was in a relationship is not exclusive to vtubing. Lawyers even get involved on this because having that shit out on the air does hurt their income.

>>31160935
Marine is fucking trash, and would fit in with VShojo much more than in Hololive.

I think collab begging should be part of a reason for the chuubas to collab, it's called demand.

>>31194876
those are words from other fucking nips you dumb nigger, one of the worst parts of japanese culture is the drooling and kneeling they do for ppl that just came before them, Sora is important shes not the fucking end all be all of vtubing, her content is meh at best and has been for literal years, she has even said she lives and easy life and doesnt have to do much, sorafags literally act like she still breaks boundries when she hasnt done shit in years.

>>31199076
>the drooling and kneeling they do for ppl that just came before them
I'm pretty sure you were drooling and kneeling to your parents, the ones who came before you literally. There's no shame in sucking let's say the Wright brothers cock for proving flight because its made life and travel so much damn easier. Sora made every other holo's lives easier simply by carrying the brand in its early days. Are the new holos better? Sure! But there wouldn't have been new holos if Sora crashed and failed.

>>31195889
That's not an opinion, that's a fact

>>31173042
Sora is Hololive's Mickey mouse: important in the early history of the company but only presently relevant as a symbol

>>31188125
Good job

>>31199076
you filthy gaijin think you understand japanese culture you dumbfuck, not hating on Roboco or anything but there is huge different of treatment of her compared to Sora and Roboco is 2nd member of Hololive, no one gonna said you're the founder or anything like that if you're just the first, Sora predates Hololive, Sora doesn't exist because of Hololive it's the other way around and same thing can't be said for other member
>she hasnt done shit in years
what do you even mean by this ? Sora is always someone who push the boundaries of vtubing especially on the music side, she appear on countless music events, chuuba appear on Tokyo International Music Market, collab with great artists even legendary one like Kohmi Hirose, don't talk about something you don't understand you catalognigger

I don't think the discussion of numbers is a bad thing. Looking at sub growth or increases in viewership both in vods and in live views can be interesting when looking at the differences between a vtuber before and after. They can be a useful tool to look at what they are doing be it good or bad and it can be a source of feedback for improvement of a vtuber. Within reason of course, but that's assuming people can be reasonable lmao.

>>31174462
>>31174568
fanfiction

>>31175405
You can replace "IRyS" with any woman and the statement will stay true.

>>31180144
Koyori fanboys in shambles rn

>>31199872
stfu u dumb ape she hasnt done shit of note since 2019 she gets a bunch pity performances that no one watches the newer gens mog her in literally every category... I was literally stationed in japan for 6 years lived and worked there another 5. Japan is one of the most depressing places on the planet the majority of the population are yes men who work slave jobs for dogshit money their entire lives, and thats before you get to how many faggots and hags stay alone well into their 30s its makes the anglosphere look like a paradise, you fat disgusting unironic weebs that think Japan is some utopia have no fucking clue lmao. keep think Sora matters in 2022 though its cute

>>31160935
unhealthy parasocials are desirable, even more-so if they're co-dependent relationships with chat and streamer

>>31200419
who tf even say japan is some utopia you dumbnigger ? you can't refute anything and trying to move the goalpost because you just pretend to know shit, consider kill youself faggot

>>31200820
you are joking right literally look at this board with the unironic weebs that have never stepped foot in japan that think they understand the culture you drooling nigger, I fucking despise people like you, where exactly did I move the goalpost???Sora hasnt done shit since 2019....This is fact, shes been coasting the past 3 years puts minimal effort into everything she does. Also debate on the facts I stated about Japan please...Tell me where the goalposts were moved u fucking faggot. You dont have shit like the rest of you disgusting fucking weebs that will never be Japanese.

>>31186017
It's not about quality anymore anon, and I feel the same way. Comparing to high effort content, streaming is insanely more efficient. Recording + editing a whole day for 15 minutes of condensed content, or broadcasting unfiltered 3 hours of footage, in the circumstances that you're so big there're bound to be people watching you, what would you choose? I don't say there's no high effort content left, but now streaming is the only production fit for the industrialised vtubing scene.

Coco is only noteworthy because she pandered to EOPs and acted edgy and crass.
She was the vtuber for people who didn't like vtubers.

>>31187863
>Youtube invented the concept of editorialized content
Do you have any idea how insane you sound?

>>31187863
> thinking real engaging content are suitable to be background noises.

Sasuga takodachi your oshi has conditioned you well.

>>31201054
>puts minimal effort into everything she does
for streaming ? sure she even said that herself, for music ? she is on 4th album and have 2nd most of originals and still regularly appear on vtuber music events from back then like Tubeout 1 till nowadays etc, how is that minimal effort ?
and how about the fact Sora got treated differently compared to other senpais if it's just "japanese senpai-kouhai culture", you're no better than unironic weebs thinking you're "master" of japanese shit just because you've been there. just kill yourself already retard

>>31201503
fact

>>31188370
Im not the anon you were talking to, but I think it's possible. Merch is 1 time payment and you'll have some realistic use for the purchased items; member is monthly payment and only gets you a nice ticket for a private show once in a while.

>>31188549
Unironically true. Hololive becoming the top dog made Vtubing and e-idol became too synonymous I'd say it's hard for /asp/ and the likes to break the mold.

>>31163122
I'd say it only affected the perception of the schizos who inhabit /vt/, which itself is still relatively contained away from the general vtubing. If anything did ruin vtubing it is, what a big surprise, Reddit, and how vtubers even tried and try to pander to them

How many hours do you think the EN holos work a week?

>>31195887
I think you already stated this on stream once Connor

>>31188549
>It forced new talents and companies to think that only idol culture brings success in the Vtubing fiels
success does breed jealousy, how is that even Hololive fault ? not even in Hololive all of its member focus on music/idol

>>31188370
>>31202430
If merch is available membering is a worse choice for both you and the talent because YT eats into profits to an unreal degree and so does the agency. It's only useful for the emotes or unless the talent does a lot, and I mean a LOT of memberstreams.
If it's about support buy merch and - more importantly almost - buy VPs.

I don't mind male collabs. It never seemed like flirting, just friends being friends. Sometimes I feel like I'm looking at those creepy anime fans who'll ship anyone just for interacting once. That and the "every moment she isn't streaming she spends in a brothel" people clog up the board so much.
Honestly I don't even mind them having a significant other, since I'm not here for GFE or anything like that, but I suppose something like that really varies from person to person, so I still understand why people don't like that. I think at the ages most of these girls are at, it's weirder for them to not have a boyfriend or husband.
>>31161110
Moron. Big ass means she can sit and stream longer.

>>31161920
I disagree. Kaguya Luna.

>>31160935
>Vtuber unpopular opinions thread. What's your most controversial opinion about vtubers?

Vtubers should not ego search. I know it is impossible as curiosity is strong...but curiosity leads to them making stupid decisions based on haters or perceived multitudes (like twitter which should be discarded). Imagine a chuuba reading whatever nonsense I am gonna spout in the next paragraphs and taking it truly seriously.


Vshojo is the worst to happen to vtubing, but not because of sex and vulgar shit like that, but because of them blurring the line between shitty fleshtubers and vtubers more and more and having that western woke attitude of trying to correct something that only needs correction in their minds. I have to say though that as they continue to pad their streaming hours with shit like stupid reaction content their goal doesn't get that much closer.

Cover should ease the life of their talents more, meaning easing on the outside of streaming things and give some of them a little push to stream more.

Nijisanji is slowly but surely digging it's own grave with how little they really care for their talents. The talent spam is also mindblowing, they could have release half the vtubers cutting the lower quality ones and nothing of value would have been lost.

Vshojo is contaminating the entire Twitch vtubing ecosystem just because they are the most succesful there, so the twitch vices are exacerbated.

I fucking HATE Onigiris new l2d. It just sucks out the joy of seeing her (yep ripe for a joke...and yep that's part of the issue).

Nina will hate it being in any corpo and will quit vtubing if she joins one unless money is raining like it's the bible and you are packing animals in an ark.

That cover isn't actively trying to make everything translated to english just fucking shows how little they are thinking ahead. They can thank their scouting department usually for the success they have.


>>31188373
>I don't like when chuubas refer to viewers as "chat"
It's too impersonal.


>>31195887
>I honestly feel like you don't have to put any effort if you get into hololive. As long as you get in you can turn into complete potato sack and you still will have people donating and supporting you. You can easily spam low effort collab/minecarft streams, keep up the cute girl act, don't mention males, and you will have yourself a pretty huge chunk of loyal audience. This is the power of hololive

Eh I don't think so. For starters there is a personal pressure if you are not really doing well but others are, meaning that if you half-ass it you are gonna suffer. Success outside of hololive might not be success inside of it. What does it happen in reality is that when you enter Hololive, if you manage to work it for 6 months/a year you can coast it after with a somewhat minimal effort as you fanbase is big enough, and I am not taking into account Ayame who is an outlier case of continued success doing jack shit. This is true now, but it wasn't three years ago.
>>31188324
>There is zero meaningful difference between simping for a vtuber and simping for someone like Pokimane. You're both into ethots.

Does this include giving money/membership for whatever reason?


>>31188549
If companies are copycats and only do COD clones or the like is their fault. If Vshojo won vutbing would die a second time and far worst than what happened the first time, as the line between vtubing and fleshtubing will dilute into nothingness(which is to say will bring all the filth and lazyness too). I bet a good majority of oldfag/not newbie vtubing fans would not be onto it if it was just normal streamers with anime avatars.

>>31203881
>That and the "every moment she isn't streaming she spends in a brothel" people clog up the board so much.
That is honestly my main issue with them.
Why are you shitting on my enjoyment?
What gives you the impression that I can change this?

>>31161868
Gura is a complete bore while playing rust. All the other girls are out there either playing to win or to have fun building, Gura on the other place plays while bitching and moaning that she's tired and does the bare minimum effort, clearly she doesn't wanna play vydia and she doesn't give a flying fuck about competitive games. It's just not fun to watch someone play as work rather than fun unless it's DSP and that's just because he's a drunk retard

>>31198702
Yes it's an unpopular opinion
Also you're a faggot

>>31161298
>>31163721
my enjoyment of notSana streams proved to me she really was the best
it also showed me how sincerity and genuine enthusiasm really come across in a broadcast. i'm aware its all an act in the end but a lot of holos feel faker than usual lately... hollowlive

>>31203974
>Cover should ease the life of their talents more, meaning easing on the outside of streaming things and give some of them a little push to stream more.
>Cover isn't actively trying to make everything translated to english just fucking shows how little they are thinking ahead. They can thank their scouting department usually for the success they have.
Agree with that
>Nina will hate it being in any corpo and will quit vtubing if she joins one unless money is raining like it's the bible and you are packing animals in an ark
That's not unpopular opinion, that's a fact. She hates discipline and hard work.
>Nijisanji is slowly but surely digging it's own grave with how little they really care for their talents. The talent spam is also mindblowing, they could have release half the vtubers cutting the lower quality ones and nothing of value would have been lost.
More like starting inevitable crash of market and pouring gasoline into bonfire with amounts of new hires. Also, that's not opinion, it's truth.
>Vshojo is the worst to happen to vtubing, but not because of sex and vulgar shit like that, but because of them blurring the line between shitty fleshtubers and vtubers more and more and having that western woke attitude of trying to correct something that only needs correction in their minds. I have to say though that as they continue to pad their streaming hours with shit like stupid reaction content their goal doesn't get that much closer.
I'm surprised very few people are open about that. VShojo is literal scourge of vtubing.
>>31161920
If you like edgy humor or laughing at people being miserable, Kronii is good to go.

>>31187887
>kiara is just her reversebeard
imagine

>>31205548
I think she just hates Rust as a streaming game. The amount of down time and nothing happen eats away at her ADHD streamer brain.
She's been playing a lot off-stream

>>31182259
As a nihongo出来る I appreciate it. She doesn't even use difficult expressions.
Why does she switch? Because that closely mirrors how she actually thinks? If you know multiple languages there are times it's more natural to express yourself in one more than another. She grew up in two different cultures, it would be weird for her to think in only one language. Pikamee is another code switcher.

Hero Hei was right about vtubers peaking right before HoloEN debutted

Male x female collabs underperform because the average watcher, even those who say they don't mind, will eventually cringe at it and lose interest. I don't know why, but it happens even if the callob is well receved. This also happens to fleshtubers.
Unicorns are people consumed by doomposting that came to the conclusion that girls that collabs with males will become irrelevant and then drag others in a "crab in a bucket mentality" situation.

Jacking it to porn of a VTuber is only weird if they aren't playing a character

I find Gura annoying af when she's playing a game and spends the whole stream barely acknowledging the game.
Dropped her Stray stream because of that.
Minecraft is a background filler so that doesn't count.

>>31212938
>I find Gura annoying af when she's playing a game and spends the whole stream barely acknowledging the game.
That's most American streamers who aren't dedicated to 1-2 games.

>>31160935
I hate hololive and I have no interest in nijisanji.

>>31180693
Posts like these are always made by projecting incels who think that defending women online will finally get them laid.

>>31211317
People don't like to acknowledge this, but in every single male x single female interaction there's ALWAYS an underlying sexual expectation. No matter how much people want to deny this, their subconscious will always evaluate these interactions based on whether they could lead to sex/procreation and when there's an indication that the woman is taken already, no matter how innocuous (anything from an actual bf admission or simply male x female collab), it will change the way the audience sees her. A lot of them will simply lose interest and start moving on to other talents, even if they can't really put into words WHY they are doing it.

This is why a random woman joining a male only group activity will always immediately change the dynamic of the group. Even though the men most probably aren't doing it on purpose, they all (or at least the majority of them) go into "must impress potential mate" mode.

>>31163122
I kneel...

>>31207628
Lot of people including myself look past vhojo because of Nyanners. Shes our hometown hero who made it anon. Know your history.

>>31205548
Everyone I watch play Rust is boring. It's not a game that works well with so few people, even when I played RP servers anything under like 30 active is just meh. You need groups for shenanigans, people to do things, etc.

I wish streaming wasn't the main form of VTuber content but it's the only one people care about.

>>31220766
As opposed to what? Prerecorded footage? It's even harder to produce and monetize. Haachama is the only one I'm aware of that makes it work.

>>31168680
>unpopular opinions

>>31160935
i watch vtubers because i find them entertaining and funny not because some weird delusion

Vtuber fanbase is the single most braindead biomass that has ever walked this earth. And to think that majority of them are men between 25-35

>>31160935
That vtubers are the indian tech support scammers of the entertainment industry and the simps are the victims being exploited and manipulated into giving them money. Especially the parasocially active ones lying about being lonely and having no boyfriend etc, like Shirara did, in order to tug on the heartstrings of their fans. Actually psychopathic shit. Fucking disgusting, yet people support her now like it was no big deal at all.

>>31186706
because that's kiwifarm livelihood. They will always search for a new lolcow and focus on the one who can't fend for themselves.
Also that site is on the raise again after Chrischan went to jail. But that site is still dying when Chrischan is no longer on the spotlight.

>>31200419
Hololive Error is literally her pet project, anon.

I can like Nijisanji EN and Hololive EN.

>>31194991
Yeah, we need some kind of vtuber that has a general concept that allows them to consistently innovate themselves. Maybe through some kind of special skill like knowing how to play multiple instruments really well or something like that. And to have the motivation as well.

And a general sense of energy would also help.
Ok that’s a lot, but to really revolutionize vtubing it would take someone putting in tons of work, but the reward would be high as well.

>>31195312
>It’s not weird now to see vtuber appear on tv shows
Most of us don’t live in nippon land

>>31160935
I hate the fake laughter they do to fill up the blank, it is almost like a nervous laughter, but worst, because they are doing it consciously.

>>31200419
Damn, I’d not like someone with your issues anywhere near a military

>>31229554
the military is literally full of people like that
why do you think they sign up