/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>oh nyoooo my hecking tweet didn't get the big numberinos, should I delete and remake it
Do nijichinks really...

>>30947891
I've been fucking telling you faggots that from day 1. NijiEN is run by nationalist chinks. If you had checked the linkedin like I told you to, this wouldn't even be a surprise.

I love this numberfag hag

>traction.
lol.

>>30948022
Nijis are desperate for views in any way they can get them, it's why their fans are so insufferable

>>30947891
>Caring this much about numbers on a tweet
Damn and anons call Kiara a numberfag

What's going on with the chat in the screenshot here

Is it a slowday for dramatards? Saw a couple low effort bait threads for HoloEN as well.

>>30948260
poor enna

>>30948090
yes, she's a professional and she's doing her job

>>30947891
Numberfagging twitter,now that's embarrassing

>>30947891
>asks too many question
>staff tells her educate yourself

QRD on Paul Li?
A bit of googling shows that everyone knows who he is for some reason but at the same time no info about him

>>30948260
two screenshots layered for clarity since chat was overlapping some parts
her VOD still has the leak, so you can check it yourself, 14:20 timestamp.

>>30947891
I dislike nijis like any sane individual but this is literally nothing, her job is based around social media this is just a normal convo.

>>30947891
>not Paul E Dangerously

>>30948260
Checking the archive, it looks like OP got his image from someone who tried to edit it to make the text a little clearer >>30946946

this is the original

>>30948565
apparently a well known manager in NijiEN circles, was at otakuthon

>nipple controversy
>stolen merch controversy
>stolen merch controversy 2
>cancelled sponsorships and events
>cancelled concerts
>no 3D for EN in sight
>no live2d updates in sight
>discord leak revealing them seetheposting about their superior rival, marking them as jealous hololive rejects for the rest of eternity
>males crashing yuribait off-collabs as a "surprise"
>Finana openly admitting to lying about it and selling it as a "girls night" despite the male being planned all-along
>comment sections getting closed to hide complaints
>girl streamers getting turned into accessories to the males and forced to exist just as walking collab platforms for males
>literally getting numbermogged by hololive's new INDOGS
>gen2 males are a huge flop
>can't get elden ring permissions
>their biggest streamer fails his subathon endurance stream and cucks out after a mere 5 hours
>Finana has a menhera meltdown on twitter about how nobody draws her in group fanart and cancels streams because of it
>AnyColor randomly tweets creepy vagueposts about "slander" for no apparent reason
>their chuuubas keep having freudian slips about Hololive such as Alban calling Petra "Gura" accidentally or Millie saying HoloJP instead of NijiJP in a tweet, which shows what really lives rent free in their head
>AnyColor literally goes public, to be defiled by chink investors
>Kanae gets canceled for using black features to make a gorilla avatar
>Luca gets caught stealing Towa's and Okayu's copyrighted BGM music without permission or even crediting her, takes down his stream afterwards
>"graduation rush" trending on JP twitter because their livers keep fucking graduating one after another
>Luxiem moving to bilibili to complete the chinkification
>Luxiem blatantly being favored and getting more and better merch than Lazulight, causing a massive outrage
>Vox fags sending death threats to Reimu
>Nippleman suspended AGAIN
>Yugo has a drunken menhera meltdown on-stream, genuinely sobbing and crying over not being a "real man".
>Finana menheraposts on twitter about "trap" being a slur and bans the word, promptly backpedals unbans it and apologizes after backlash
>Indian LGBTroon manager is caught damage controlling for Nijisanji online
>literally the only major vtuber agency to not have a booth at AX
>Former golden horse Vox absolutely shitting the bed in CCV recently and getting mogged by his genmates
>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
>Obsydia getting NO FUCKING NEW OUTFITS, literally ever, and completely neglected
>Iluna being a COMPLETE FUCKING SHITSHOW of clown hires, all flops too and mogged by Tempus
>Nina leaking discord again showing she literally considers deleting and reposting tweets if they don't get enough "traction"

What the FUCK is wrong with Nijisanji?

Really? Is this the reason #nigs have been raiding nijiEN all day? The guy's name sounds Chinese?

>>30948565
>>30948633
it's pauly shore, paul li is just a pseudonym

>>30948565
He is famous wrestling manager, Paul Heyman AKA Paul E Dangerously

>>30948655
gotta scrape anything in the bottom of the barrel to validate them

>>30948565
He's actually Paul Heyman.

>>30948655
learn to ignore schizos for your own mental health, they are not native to any single thread.

>>30947891
Didnt expect Nina of all people to let this happen.
>Tweet traction
NIJI EN IS PURE NUMBERFAGGOTRY HOLY SHIT

>>30947891
>Nina is outed as a numberfagging bitch
Water is wet. The sky is blue. Rather than that, the dumbest thing here is how this is yet another discord leak from NijiEN. You'd think they would be on top of that shit now.

>>30948401
If anyone has ever had any professional interaction in their life it'd be obvious that there's going to be a correlation between the viewers of a stream, the traction of a promoted product, and how much money they're going to get paid out. If any of you had the opportunity to make more money vs less money, when nothing you have is at stake, what would you choose? It's a fucking tweet, touch grass

>>30947891
The niji is a numbernigger kek

>>30948831
They don't really give a shit. The "all out war" leak didn't even affect them because Niji's policy for all fuck-ups is just to stay silent, wait for people to stop caring, and sweep it under a rug

>>30948856
I would personally try and avoid becoming that cynical out of fear that it'd bleed into my on-screen persona and ruin the fun vibes. that's manager shit, my job is/would be to have fun

>>30947891
this is really pathetic. i genuinely feel bad for nijicucks

>>30949011
It's the best policy, like not feeding the trolls.

>>30948654
That moment when your performance in an "all out war" makes the fucking russians look competent. rumao

>>30947891
Are those FUCKING RETARDS even capable of not leaking discord channels every week? How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand the most basic OBS settings?

>>30949029
Why do you think she asked her manager about it. They've probably made comments about something like that in the past

Truly something we expect from nijifags. Keep supporting your black company that only cares about their money makers.

>>30949011
instead of tweeting and whining on reddit about wanting to have fun? seems smart

>>30949011
I get the feeling you're talking to a bot. Look at some of these replies.
>>30949049
>>30948978
>>30948831
>>30948797
>>30948556
>>30948022
>>30948066
>>30948184
Such substanceless shit written in the exact same cadence just to bump OP's bait thread back to the front page

>>30949310
Eh, yabs are fun. Even as a fan, this adds depth far from shallow perfection.

Btw bump.

>>30949310
>No you cannot point out the fact that Nina is obsessed with the numbers on a tweet
Why not? Also bump

>>30949310
How the fuck does mine (the second to last) match the others, you massive insufferable faggot?

>>30947891

>>30949168
unless the manager brings it up, it's not the streamer's problem, their job is to entertain (by having a good time)

>>30948260
https://youtu.be/7dlZjoj9zes?t=858
original sauce

>>30949310
lol seethe more Nijinegro

>>30949310
Retarded nijibronies. Also bump.

>>30948066
no shit

>>30949310
No one likes chinks or Nijitrash, you faggot.

>>30948654
can't wait till they all graduate and start working in mcdonald's with finana being homeless and sucking cocks on the street for $5

Is she the kind of retard that responds to herself if she does not get enough (you)s?

>>30950308
From the thumbnail I thought it was saying OBESITY

Holofags not acting like retards over nothing for one day...nope it's not today.

>>30947891
Nina must be doing it on purpose

>>30947891
what did i miss? whats the issue here?

>>30948066
The anycolor website literally shoes who runs NijiEN you know. Instead of coming up with retarded narratives you could just spend 5 seconds researching. Scroll across to the right on the staff and there's the head of the overseas on the furthest right at the very highest level a japanese man who'd have thought it.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/recruit

>>30949980
you've either never worked in a professional environment or you're delusional

>>30950308
Petra is free HK though.

>>30950974
HK is China territory now since britdongs left

>>30950879
i don't know how many leaks they've had so far, but this is at least the 3rd one with numberfagging (council failure, youtube studio graphs, twitter traction) in it

>>30950974
She should say that on stream then.

>>30950998
Whats supposed to be the problem?

>vtuber talks about numbers in a private discord server which is literally related to their job
OH NOOOOOOOOOO WE NEED TO GRADUATE HER

>>30951055
letting people outside see that you only care about money and numbers gives off a bad impression, in contrast to the fake discord interactions they've been known for posting on twitter (reposted here)
repeatedly leaking discord interactions means you're also a risk for your collab partners

>>30949310
all me
also bump

>>30951313
Seems more like you're just set on interpreting things dishonestly and in the worst way possible because you've already decided you hate them and are just looking for reasons to do so. Management having discussion with members about their numbers to discuss what is working and what isn't is literally doing their jobs. Helping them to grow their channel. And this screenshot just seems like Nina is trying to make sure she does the best job she can for her sponsorship and doesn't want to half ass it if she's getting paid? Shows they take them seriously and will do a good job if you sponsor them if anything.

>>30948654
I don’t even mind, watching them implode is too entertaining

>>30949310
>these replies said things I don't like therefore they're bots!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seethe more.

>>30951313
You realize they are employees of a company and metrics are important to the company...there's literally nothing wrong with the talk of metrics do people think Holo doesn't have that same metric talk with its talents too , while they might not get graduated due to low numbers it def will dimish their chances if getting outfit updates and stuff like that.

>>30949310
>I don't like these replies therefore they are made by bots
The absolute state

>>30949310
Yeah, 俺

>>30951055
The "problem" isn't that they are treating a job like a job and focusing on their own success. The problem is that they are, unintentionally, revealing that to the viewers. It breaks the kayfabe that they are a happy Nijisanji Family and not just coworkers out to succeed. It's looking behind the curtain and being disappointed that reality is exactly what you always knew it was instead of what it "should be".

It's like how people want to believe pro wrestling storylines involving management are real, and that it isn't actually just a bunch of people crunching numbers behind the scenes looking to maximize viewer engagement. We all know it is, but it is still disappointing to be slapped with reality amidst the entertainment we use to escape it.

>>30951313
>you can't be friendly and care about performance
Where does this idea even come from? Did you ever work in an office at all... this shit is everyday normality people work professionally to meet their targets when the situation requires that and then blow off steam as friends in situations that don't like hanging out at the bar after work or whatever.

>>30951715
You can do both at the same time and you really show your lack of life experience by thinking it's one or the other.

>>30948565
he's my oshi
https://mega.nz/file/#uRO1j7LpkQNgz0umUp4ES0hYJjTjrm1UZBqFNMjEEmI

>>30947891
Isn't Anycolor in deep with Chinese investors too? Would make sense really. There is free crosstalk/collabing between the other big names and each other except, for some year+ long undisclosed reason, NijiEN just cannot collab with HoloEN ever it seems. Now, whose audience would have something to gain or lose from this? NijiEN having a ton of zhangs all over Luxiem (but also a few others like Enna) chimping out over officially hanging with Hololive, or Hololive hanging with Nijis? Hmmm.

>>30951756
no one expects you people to understand considering how much nijien fans love their doxx sites
you're not really a fan of vtubers so the illusion has never been there for you

>>30951798
Dont the boys rely on chink money?
Making money is easy in chink land, its getting it out of there that is the hard part, chances are they sold out for their sake

>>30951482
>>30951617
>>30951716
>letting people outside see
looks like nijien chinks need to work on their reading comprehension
you don't even understand that there's supposed to be a divide between the vtuber and the real person

>>30951998
>>30951907
I'm not really sure how this relates to what I'm saying. The only point I made was that it's perfectly possible to be close friends with each other while caring about performance those aren't mutually exclusive things caring about one doesn't mean you can't have the other. It's a false dichotomy.

NIJINEGGRO NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME!

>>30947891
Thanks for more Discord Leaks KEK!

>>30952073
>only cares about
is probably an overstatement, but it's way off from the way they want to present themselves

>>30951482
>>30951617
>>30951716
>on twitter: nijisanji is a family
>all their discord leaks: yeah, we need to talk about your numbers, we're in an all out war

>>30948654
what

>>30951778
>Pao Li
>Looks Chinese
>Is Chinese
Ogey nijibronie.

>>30947891
Seriously, what the fuck is up with this woman and showing her discord?

>>30951715
Love how you are actually in this thread with reasoning and the retards here don't understand shit - maybe it's time for you to leave for your own good

>>30952470
He's actually the one who doesn't know shit though. There's actually no good reason to say if you care about your performance in your job then you are faking being friends with people. The logic is broke to begin with. The idea that the audience was ever under the impression that they didn't care about numbers at all and this suddenly exposes that they actually do is bullshit to begin with when several members have talked about their insecurities over theirs openly and the celebration of milestones is a regular thing.

>>30952287
Lord help me I fucking hate Nijirats
Lying, fake as fuck little chinkrats full of corpo brainrot

>>30948612
>>30948697
>>30948772
Brock Lesnar ASMR when?!

>>30952730
We're still waiting for those friendly posts in the leaks, while the list of posts you could find in the numbers thread keeps growing larger.

>>30947891
IT KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING

>>30949310
Even worse, it's probably all made by one obsessed retard.

>>30947891
> Number mongering on a sponsored tweet

Seems pretty normal to me. They'd care how well it does since it might affect their sponsorship.

We still putting this on the yab list?

>>30953264
There have been though? There was one time someone showed discord and it was just then sharing art with each other and another time they were just giving each other advice on recording voice packs. It's just completely mundane so nobody bothers making catalog bait threads about it and reposting it a billion times.

you ever think nijiniggers and holobronies fight so much to hide the fact that twitch hobbyist 0views have better model rigging than them?

>oh no they are doing ads for a game and want to get their ads lots of views so they get paid more what a yab
Fuck off you mentally ill children

>>30953264
>waiting for those friendly posts in the leaks
>
>you could find in the numbers thread
A thread that keeps seething and coping whenever Nijisanji is doing great, openly curses Nijisanji to fail, and even stirs up yab and writes rrats like>>30948654 don't care about friendly posts that they can't shit on, how surprising.

>>30953759
I think they fight so much because they're bored of vtubers but can't let go of /vt/ and shitpost here instead for dopamine.
It would explain why none of them actually know what's going on in streams.

>>30954541
>literally shitting on fans for their english
so friendly

>>30954686
It was about their voice.

>>30947891
kek i cant believe it

>>30947891
>>30954541
>Enna are never in any of these discord leaks
my socially inept oshi...

>>30955129
I mean, several people have talked about that Enna is almost never in Discord and that one of the few times she is in discord is when a new wave is debuting.
Based imho, focus on her singing and handcam streams. Enna is the best chuuba in nijiEN

>>30947891
somehow the most useless and untalented nijien happens to be the biggest numbers whore.

>>30955181
what singing streams? she's done about 3 in nearly a year

>>30955290
I meant singing in general, like releasing songs, training etc

>>30952348
why racist?

I watch nijiEN and hololiveEN.
Why can't they collaborate? What's going on with the tribalism is this like sports now lol

>>30956300
I frequent /sp/, this board's tribalism and animosity is way above what can be found there
/sp/ is more banter than actual hate

>>30956652
why tho?

>>30956805
I'm guessing it's more about the overlap with /v/. 2nd most trash board after /vt/. Lots of tribalism and catalog baiting there too.

>>30956652
/vt/ is a gatekeeping failure. It's a mix of console warriors from /v/, literal simps and a culture of glorified mental illness/schizo acceptance. All the worst aspects of the site combined in one place.

Yeah if this was just a regular stream then I would totally get that reaction, but if you're chosen to do a sponsorship stream and you accept that, it's only natural to feel responsibility for how well that sponsorship goes.

She's actually being more professional there than I would have expected out of her lol

>>30956652
Schizos on this board put Dutch lips to shame

>thread about staff being called Li (a typical Chinese name ) thus being a possible reason for the lack of collabs
>niggers deflect to "OOH SO SHE TALKS ABOUT NUMBERS SO WHAT?"
i know its hard to read with those squinty eyes but at least try it next time

>>30956300
We don't know why. People on this board will give you reasons but it's all rrats constructed to fit their tribalist agenda. We don't have evidence of anything, other than at least some of the talents seem friendly enough on twitter and willing to collab, so it's definitely being blocked by either one of the managements, or both. It feels like there's some sort childish grudge going on.

>>30956805
Gossip/drama board mixed with idol culture makes some of the worst posters imaginable.

>>30958368
>feels
That's the problem with this board, literal retards are constantly encouraged to go off their feefees. For all we know it's a corporate licensing issue that hasn't been sorted out at the top-end because the companies don't consider it high enough priority. These are separate IPs and the companies exist in the japanese corporate space, the bureaucracy is anal beyond belief. The paperwork is extensive and collabs can't happen until it's handled.

>>30956109
he ban olli selen APEX collab.
That's enough reason to hate him.

>>30955129
keeps her drama free despite all her risque statements and dark humor on stream. That puts her among the best talents among the branch.

>>30954768
Sure, Nijiliar

>Gura bait thread gets deleted
>Nina bait thread stays up
Incredible

>>30958368
This place is just Twitter with Slurs, what do you expect?

>>30952287
The people make it a family, the managers make it a business.

A family does not pay the bills, a business makes you want to kys. It is both, it always has been.

>>30948633
Well yeah, that's to be expected. HololiveEN had managers at con events too.

>>30948662
Zoomers don't know who Pauly Shore is buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddy.

Nijisanji always been so fake just like their back up dancer, what's else is new?

>>30947891
As if hololive wants to collab with them rumao. Its just chicken

>>30954541
>Petra, Selen, and Enna didn't waste money on Nitro
Absolutely based.

>>30955181
>>30955129
Yeah she was just talking the other day in a zatsu about the fact that when she's not streaming she keeps her computer turned off.
Secretly the least menhera chuuba.

>>30947891
>another le discord yab

It's amazing how much holofags care about nijisanji.

>>30947891
>>Paul li
Pauli exclusion principle
nahone

>>30948654
>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
Finana really THIS stupid?

>>30962492
The ones who had it got it for free from the discord simp that used to be all the time on pomu's chat

>>30964215
Yes, that is why her audition video is leaked. She started to do coomer ASMR to get some money

>>30956300
Nobody knows why HoloEN and NijiEN cant collab specifically. Both their ID and JP branches have had no issues with collabing, and even NijiKR members collab with HoloJP. It’s just the EN branches that can’t have an outright stream collab.
At first it was thought that HoloEN prevented collabs since they don’t want to share their competition, but it’s just as likely that NijiEN shares as much of the blame since Pomu got a happy birthday video from someone, but management said she couldn’t show it on stream. If there’s Chinese nationalists at NijiEN then a collab probably won’t happen if they’re still butthurt about Coco.

If this doesn't effect the Pomutori collab I literally cannot even pretend to pretend to care

>>30948654
Hololive's explosive growth in 2020 was fueled by yabs, Taiwan is still being talked about but you had Mel's manager, Aqua playing with a pro instead of fans, Aqua not streaming on Billibill when she promised to, Choco accidently saying Tibet wasn't in China, Coco hanging Kanata, Towa talking to men in voice chat and then pretending it was Cover staff, from memory. The more yabs you have the more you're agency will grow.

>>30964717
the reason why the pomutori collab isn't happening is in the op anon

>>30965110
I assume the best of people and will assume Paul Li is a full American that got extremely unlucky with his last name and is also low on the management totem poll

>>30947891
get paid to do a job, takes it seriously - not a fan of Nina but this makes her look rather good.
and yes, being numberfag helps her here.

I always take comfort in the fact that no matter how shitty things get for Hololive, at least they aren't fucking Nijisanji.

>>30948504
If you're a consistent streamer and your numbers are stagnating, it's the only way to spike your growth without going full vwhorejo.

>>30957320
Console warriors go schizo about large corporations. /vt/ posters go schizo about individual girls on mundane topics. This board is on its way to be as irrelevant to vtubing as /v/ is to gaming.

>>30965407
Same but swap Nijisanji and hololive around.

>>30947891
DJ Pauly D? Yooooooooo that's lit I never knew NijiEN were the real brotubers. Does Vinny work for them too?

>>30947891
Why do Nijis discord yab this often?

>>30967553
They need yabs to stay relevant

>>30948022
I used to do translations, when you make numbers and then suddenly get a dip on them it really is demoralizing, worse part is that the brain adjusts to the new numbers, one day you are happy with 100 views, suddenly you hit 10k and can consistently hit it in at least one video each week, then suddenly you only get 1500 views, I mean, you were happy with 100 views but now 1500 is not enough since you were getting 4k regularly per video, what happened? what did I do wrong? what can I change to avoid this in the future?
It's a game that really fucks with you, more so if it requires effort, I would take at least 2 hours to produce a nice 5 minute long video.

>ANOTHER NijiEN discord leak
At this point it must be intentional.

>>30967834
I think Mag said it best. The place where numbers matter is not the place where you want to be.

>>30947891
Apart from this being another avoidable discord leak this is the most pointless attempt at pushing a yab I've ever seen. What is even supposed to be bad here

>>30967966
And he is right, I would give it another shot just to bring some content to non-speakers if it wasn't for being busy wtih uni.

>>30947891
He's actually Italian and bad at spelling

>>30968121
>nijien is run by some mick goomba wop
You can't make this shit up folks

>>30968261
>run by
Why are you guys so retarded? It's just some random staff member. The actual person in charge of NijiEN is public knowledge. It's listed on their website.
>>30950889

>>30954541
nice touch at the bottom

>>30967834
Nigger it's a fucking tweet not a video
Retarded fuck

>>30968455
Yes, but in her position everything matters because it's her job. She isn't having a meltdown but surely is feeling insecure about it.

>>30968428
>>run by
>Why are you guys so retarded? It's just some random staff member. The actual person in charge of NijiEN is public knowledge. It's listed on their website.
>>>30950889 #

>>30968428
fuck off pasta eater this is a dago free board

>>30968583
Funny how Holos don't care about numbers even though it's their job

>>30968657
Kiwawa...

>>30948654
this makes me feel sad, and some of this points are more worrying about the talents than anything else, the yugo yab actually made me want to support him, his debut scuff too.
But yeah, fuck whoever hired Iluna, not the talents but whoever was in charge of the selection process.

Nina is just worried about her twitter metrics because mane-san will scold her if she doesn't get those numbers up.

>>30968681
You mean the bitch that refuses to stream buff games because she's too hipster for it?

>>30967979
No idea, I guess the only possible "yab" is Nina numberfagging? But then again the context is her sponsorship. And barely anyone on this board is a Nina fan.

This is probably the most I've seen anons trying to dig for drama where there isn't any.

>>30968657
>Holos don't care about numbers
Do you actually really believe that? That's rather naive.

>>30968809
>nooo I swear Holo talks shit about Niji too!! There's no proof but I swear they do, it's normal!
Classic Nijichink tactic.

>>30968764
She is retarded, yes.

>>30968868
Who are you quoting? All I said was you're naive if you think they don't care about their numbers.

>>30948654
>IT KEEPS GROWING

>>30947891
Numberfagging about a sponsored stream is fine, because she's getting paid for the exposure she provides. Low exposure could affect her payout, or affect her ability to get more sponsored streams. The publisher of ToF is Perfect World, a company that publishes a lot of stuff and could theoretically be the source of many sponsorships in the future, so getting in good with them is an important business decision.

No, the dumb shit here is that NijiEN has ONCE AGAIN leaked Discord despite OBS having easy-access settings to prevent this. You'd think they'd be more careful about this shit after the first two times it happens, especially since at least two of them fucking live /here/, and /vt/ refuses to shut up about either previous discord leak. Now she's exposed a manager. Didn't Rushia get fired for this shit?
Can somebody PLEASE teach these retards how to only stream a single window in OBS?

>>30948654
>>no 3D for EN in sight
you can take out this one, Pomu and her wavemates are getting 3D at Nijifes

>>30967855
This one sure is, that bitch Nina is starved for views and has been shitting the bed lately in ccv. Turns out months and months of leeching on male coworkers doesn't get you a solid fanbase

>>30968586
>wojak
argument invalid

>>30968657
ill give you this: holos are better trained, hence why there are at least 3 discord leaks for niji and none for holo

>>30968657
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, WAIT... YOU SERIOUS? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HOLY SHIT MY SIDES HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>30968657
They do not have to think about tweet engagement, since they can tweet whenever and Holofans will engage

>>30948066

>>30968428
no anon Pauly runs this shit and he's gonna have me hiking the bed of the Hudson in cement shoes if I say anything else, ya dig? now scram

>>30969414
You just KNOW that Cover had a bout of internal compliance training about OBS security and account safety when the Rushia/Mafumafu shit happened.

>>30968657
Are you also one of the people that has a different excuse for every time Gura streams over a debut?

>>30969414
Not a discord leak but Pekora showing her browser with the ranking page for what used to be the go to numberfag site being in her top ten most visited sites and that she is the japanese equivalent of a /here/ tuber with 5ch in her top ten was kind of funny.

>>30968657
> streamers don't care about their numbers, trust me bro
least delusional brony

>>30968657
You are being delusional about that. There is no one in the vtuber industry that doesn't care about numbers. The whole "I just stream because I like it" is a lie, just because they don't talk about it, it doesn't mean they don't care about numbers. This is a job and numbers reflect how good you are at it and how much money you can make.

>>30969634
Reimu moment

>>30969688
>this is a job
To a select few. Granted it's much more common with EN chuubas to do it full time.

>>30953264
>friendly posts
I know it's a bad look because it happened during the all out war shitshow, but Millie commented how she was happy to have Shu with them to soften the blow of him being a holoreject + she is unity af

>>30969688
>You are being delusional about that. There is no one in the vtuber industry that doesn't care about numbers. The whole "I just stream because I like it" is a lie, just because they don't talk about it, it doesn't mean they don't care about numbers. This is a job and numbers reflect how good you are at it and how much money you can make.

>>30968657

>>30969746
It's a job to everyone in Holo and almost everyone in Niji, the only exceptions being the ID guys that get like 100 viewers.

>>30961339
They know him as the voice of the twink Pinocchio movie.

>>30947891
>Vtubing companies..... are a business.....
>Vtubers want to earn.... money...
Great job on your exposé there holobrony. Consider me shook.

>>30969839
>>Vtubing companies..... are a business.....
>>Vtubers want to earn.... money...
>Great job on your exposé there holobrony. Consider me shook

>>30969688
Even the ones it isn't a job for care about it though. Even if its just a hobby to you getting positive feedback in the form of your numbers going up is going to feel good and make it feel worthwhile while getting little to no engagement is going to be demoralising.

>>30969859
Thanks your immediately exposing yourself as a retard, holobrony

>>30969688
B-but, nijisister told me they in it for the fun! F-for the nijifamily!

>>30969887
>B-but, nijisister told me they in it for the fun! F-for the nijifamily!

>>30969859
you're a pathetic loser

>>30969887
This is a dumb point to begin with. You can both have fun and be close friends with the people you work with and care about performance, its not a one or the the other choice.

>>30969883
>Thanks your immediately exposing yourself as a retard, holobrony

>>30969859
>>30969906
Take your meds, virgin
And also maybe stop trying to make totally unrelated conversations be about trannies. Seek help.

>>30968809
Their stream behavior doesn't really make sense otherwise.

>Countless overlaps
Maybe explained away as securing a core dedicated audience? The idea that someone who watches three streamers won't really be invested into any of them?
>Consecutive days with dead hours during primetime
Now this doesn't make sense that you're not trying to woo viewers desperate for anything to watch when you have so many opportunities.
>All the impromptu Rust collabs now where you have clearly been playing for hours but refuse to turn on stream
Yeah, at some point even if you use the 'laziness' excuse, that's indistinguishable from 'not caring'.

>>30969906
/qa/ lost, you attacked LGBT people and lost, get over it

>>30953603
For me, the yab is the discord leak itself. Anything that's inside the leak is just bonus.
I don't think numberfagging a sponsored tweet is a big deal, though.

>quoting the original posts
why are coalchamas like this
ywnbg

>>30969917
>you're a pathetic loser

>>30969975
>>>30968809 #
>Their stream behavior doesn't really make sense otherwise.
>>Countless overlaps
>Maybe explained away as securing a core dedicated audience? The idea that someone who watches three streamers won't really be invested into any of them?
>>Consecutive days with dead hours during primetime
>Now this doesn't make sense that you're not trying to woo viewers desperate for anything to watch when you have so many opportunities.
>>All the impromptu Rust collabs now where you have clearly been playing for hours but refuse to turn on stream
>Yeah, at some point even if you use the 'laziness' excuse, that's indistinguishable from 'not caring'.

>>30960237
what did Gura do?

>>30970057
she cute

>>30969975
You could say the same thing about Niji though. They are even worse on the overlaps. They still have dead hours despite having 26 members. People showing up in others streams or being on the Minecraft server playing on their own when someone happens to start streaming has been a staple of the branch since it was first made. If that stuff is supposed to prove they don't care about numbers then I guess nobody does.

>>30970110
>You could say the same thing about Niji though. They are even worse on the overlaps. They still have dead hours despite having 26 members. People showing up in others streams or being on the Minecraft server playing on their own when someone happens to start streaming has been a staple of the branch since it was first made. If that stuff is supposed to prove they don't care about numbers then I guess nobody does.

>>30964295
>some money
and she will piss it away as she has done thus far. most probably chuuba to end up being homeless.

Just ignore the sperg, he's desperate for attention. Don't give him what he desires and jannies will clear up his mess.
Maybe one day he'll learn rolling around on the floor screeching like a baby and covering himself in shit isn't cool.
But probably not.

>>30947891
>This a porblem
>But Lamy doing this isn't
Come on now.

>>30969975
>Their stream behavior doesn't really make sense otherwise.
>>Countless overlaps
>Maybe explained away as securing a core dedicated audience? The idea that someone who watches three streamers won't really be invested into any of them?
>>Consecutive days with dead hours during primetime
>Now this doesn't make sense that you're not trying to woo viewers desperate for anything to watch when you have so many opportunities.
>>All the impromptu Rust collabs now where you have clearly been playing for hours but refuse to turn on stream
>Yeah, at some point even if you use the 'laziness' excuse, that's indistinguishable from 'not caring'.

>>30970165
>Just ignore the sperg, he's desperate for attention. Don't give him what he desires and jannies will clear up his mess.
>Maybe one day he'll learn rolling around on the floor screeching like a baby and covering himself in shit isn't cool.
>But probably not.

>>30970210
>>This a porblem
>>But Lamy doing this isn't
>Come on now.

>>30948654
The last one is because of Twitter's retarded algorithm though, you can literally post the same thing twice and get vastly different reach depending on a number of factors

Ban evasion is a bannable offense

>>30970210
Also this >>30969634
But I guess it just doesn't count if they don't want it to.

I do get a good laugh at the /qa/ posters. It's funny to see them so mad that their wojack shtipost board got deleted.

> spamming wojaks
bronies are mentally ill

>>30970389
>Ban evasion is a bannable offense

>>30969634
Probably the training got better with each gen? This is really funny though

>>30970459
>> spamming wojaks
>bronies are mentally ill

>>30970366
I think what he's saying is that most tweets present themselves as inherently spontaneous and off-the-cuff, so unless it's like a stream announcement tweet, worrying about the numbers it gets might make you seem artificial.

>>30970459
/qa/fags never got over their board getting deleted. I don't know why it was a thing in the first place.

>>30970422
>I do get a good laugh at the /qa/ posters. It's funny to see them so mad that their wojack shtipost board got deleted.

>>30970535
>/qa/fags never got over their board getting deleted. I don't know why it was a thing in the first place.

>>30970406
I don't think Lamy's counts as a leak or anything, it's her being a psycho

>>30970459
another reason hololive should contained in a red board

>>30970535
what was /qa/

>>30970784
Please don't be that dumb anon, it's embarrassing.
>>30970860
A even worst /rk/ and all people did was post and make wojacks all day.

>>30970860
/qa/ deez

>>30970860
It was supposed to be a board where you could ask questions to the site admin, mods, and janitors, request new site features, or make complaints about the website.
It was then taken over by incels who wanted to spam low quality stale wojaks and psychotically rant about black people, trans people, or about how they hate being a virgin.
When the board was shut down, all the attention seeking schizos lost their containment board and seeped out onto the rest of the website, disrupting discussion on other boards.

>>30970860
they lost to trannies, now they're hololive fans

>>30971037
They also blame /vt/ for is going down, it's why we get stuff like wojack spam and pother very dumb fucking shitposting. Like as you can see this guy is here >>30971084

>>30970535
I'd assume it was intended to mirror Something Awful's QCS.

>>30971037
>It was supposed to be a board where you could ask questions to the site admin, mods, and janitors, request new site features, or make complaints about the website.
>It was then taken over by incels who wanted to spam low quality stale wojaks and psychotically rant about black people, trans people, or about how they hate being a virgin.
>When the board was shut down, all the attention seeking schizos lost their containment board and seeped out onto the rest of the website, disrupting discussion on other boards.

>>30971084
>they lost to trannies, now they're hololive fans

>>30948654
Just a couple more yabs and the copypasta will run out of characters

>>30967603
How is this relevenat?? It's only getting replies from holofags cause it's another excuse to shit on nijisanji, how big or small never mattered

>>30965299
>being charitable
>With nijisanji
NGMI

>>30948654
>>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
Why is this so funny? Also ranked in the top 20 of best vtubers of all time by Japan btw.

>>30948654
5 star post

>>30951482
NTA but I see you ignored the arguably more important second point

>>30947891
do they not get trained for opsec? how do they pass

>>30975356
>do they not get trained for opsec?
About five discord leaks in, I think we can conclude that they do not.

>>30969763
Only Fulgur permanently got shit on for that entire thing, and later /b/omu once her own leaks hit. It was mostly just shitposting for a while.

Problem was, the NijiEN fanbase's reaction to the leak exposed a lot of them as being unreasonably tribalistic towards HoloEN for whatever reason.
They were squirming. deflecting, downplaying, gaslighting and all-in-all acting absolutely retarded both /here/ and outside this board in an attempt to defend their livers.
In comparison when Mori does a yab, the deadbeats in her comments section are the first to shit on her, because most Holo talents are held to a high standard (which Mori often fails to match up to).

There was a JP comment that pointed out a common difference between the fanbases which applies here.
> Holofans : Oh shit, our oshi is being flamed for some random bullshit. Let's defend them.
> Nijifans : Oh shit, our oshi is being flamed. Let's flame the other side randomly to distract from it.
NijiEN seems to have inherited this behavior for some reason.

>>30975356
They are actively against it, the reason this happens is they literally just have their members broadcast over Discord to get multiple camera angles

>>30968657
Chicken....

>>30973002
That article was clickbait nonsense

>>30955129
Enna seems to be similar to Selen in that she's kinda disconnected from the main NijiEN clique.
Selen has her FPS circle though, but Enna feels a little more isolated...

>>30948654
>Yugo has a drunken menhera meltdown on-stream, genuinely sobbing and crying over not being a "real man".
I need a source on this one, whether it's a timestamp or streamable/catbox link. I enjoy this kind of thing like you wouldn't believe.

>>30975745
>/b/omu once her own leaks hit
what was her leak and how did /b/omu stuff was found out?

>>30956652
hey holofans are mostly bantering and shitposting about a lot of niji stuff as well.
it's just that nijibros have trouble bantering back, so they often just straight up start hateposting, which just feeds the hate cycle.

>>30975992
a single anon on /b/ said it was her 10 years ago

>>30975982
https://files.catbox.moe/o83or4.mp4

I don't get it.

>>30976188
No wonder nips hate her.

>>30976188
>all JP comments
>starts to cry
>all English comments
kek what the hell happened there

I find it funny that antis are trying really, really hard to find anything yab worthy on the op's screenshot and then other people act like there's some relevant discussion to be had on this garbage bait thread

>>30976316
Glad youre with us shu

>>30976866
Seethe, Nijikek

>>30976866
Nijinigger.

>>30976690
I assume that greys let her talk to her jp viewers by not drowning her chat in english, but since she is clearly heartbroken they want to console her, and since they are EOP they can only do so in english

>>30976866
The problem isn't what's in the screenshot, the problem is that the screenshot exists in the first place you dumb faggot.
What happens when they inevitably leak something important?

>>30968657
Pretty sure in the more competent companies, the numbers are left to management.
My first job was at a big tech company, and our manager straight up told us "you guys worry about the customer, it's my job to take care of the numbers."

Hilarious how OP was pointing out that nijiEN is the one blocking HoloEN collabs and somehow from the middle of the thread onwards it all turned to 'numberfagging is not a yab' as if they didn't read the OP.

>>30977123
>It's about the hypothetical yab
Some next level shit

>>30977359
It wasn't a secret that NijiEN was the one blocking the collab. HoloEN has no reason to block it.

>>30977359
That's because this is even dumber, coco wasn't EN, if they were bending over afraid of pissing off the chinese than the other branches wouldn't collab either, also nijien only got a chinese audience after luxiem and it's not like there were collabing before that, it's just the usual china boogeyman from holofags

>>30977590
We literally know from Holo/Niji streams that it's Niji blocking the collabs or even mentions. Why are you trying to deflect like this. "It could literally be either one blocking the collabs, you're just muh racism"

>>30977695
>We literally know from Holo/Niji streams that it's Niji blocking the collabs or even mentions.
Source: my ass.

>>30977461
The yab is leaking internal documents, idiot. It's not a "hypothetical" yab, it's a very present one.
In 99% of companies in the first world, leaking company internal correspondence is an instant termination. Depending on what you leaked and where you leaked it, it's also civil damages.
I swear, Nijiniggers have never had a real job in their lives.

>>30977777
And yet again nothing happened, funny how it works, a bunch of threads crying about it on the catalog and it ends on a nothingburger, it's almost like there was never a problem in the first place

>>30977695
>We literally know from Holo/Niji streams that it's Niji blocking the collabs or even mentions
Timestamp?
Also "mentions" lmao, bold to say that when we also get a thread every time scarle mentions magni

>>30947891
>And now you understand why nijien bans hololive collabs
>Nijisanji literally has a Chinese branch and integrated the korean branch.

>>30977777
This is like a repeat of the financials thread where they thought Hololive's "extraordinary loss" line item was proof that there was a million dollar lawsuit with Rushia despite that occurring on a different calendar year or that re-investing more money into the talents is a bad thing because it resulted in a lower net income.

>>30947891
>holo collabs are banned
>but vshojo is perfectly fine
>nothing changed despite kson / nazuna
This is the real problem here.

>>30968714
>the yugo yab actually made me want to support him, his
>him/his

>>30956300
Everyone thought the block was on HoloEN side for a while since Myth was quite isolationist during their first year.
But once Myth started doing vshojo, indie and 3DPD collabs(TT), people started to notice that they were avoiding NijiEN, despite Pomu and Kiara being on good terms.
I'm gonna try and build up some form of a timeline for the Holo-Niji related stuff that's relevant to this collab block. Mainly with respect to Pomu and Kiara, since those two are the only Holo-Niji EN combo who have expressed interest in a collab.

1. Ollie collabs with Gundou from NijiJP on 28th July 2021 (https://youtu.be/Ghzt6N1WB14).). This was around 2 months after NijiEN debuted.
2. One day before this collab, Pomu and Kiara had their first of many on-stream (chat only) interactions (https://youtu.be/ZRb4HsiQXc8?t=6497).).
3. 3 months later, in October 2021, Kiara reported that her collab request for Pomu had been rejected : https://youtu.be/eMQF7VPADI8
She didn't specify who did the rejecting. Considering that she had been quite candid about shitting on HoloEN management at the time, but avoided blaming any party in this instance, it was pretty obvious to guess that the block came from NijiEN side.
4. About a month later (late November), it was revealed that Lazulight was attending a singing event held by Bilibili, so this may have had something to do with it : https://old.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/r3koxh/half_of_2434_international_will_be_attending_sing/
5. Around the same time of the above reveal, Selen said that she finally was allowed to collab with Ollie but that was postponed and then cancelled, with nothing else coming of it (https://youtu.be/qH_lYfNNw78).). Speculation is that Selen's manager got permission from Cover's side for the collab and so Selen thought it was fine to announce it on stream (since once Cover's side was clear, obviously she assumed NijiEN would be fine with it). But the Lazulight Bilibili announcement may have caused NijiEN higher ups to veto it so that Lazulight could still attend the event.
6. December-January : Luxiem debuts and gains a humongous audience from China, inclining the entire branch and becoming the most successful NijiEN wave to date.
> Pomu - Kiara interactions - both on-stream(YT chat) and off-stream(twitter) - are still happening in the middle of all this btw.
7. March 5, 2022 : NijiEN discord leak. Irreparable damage to NijiEN perception in the eyes of hololive fans - specifically Fulgur. Damage is far more to NijiEN fans' reputations thanks to their reaction, but the livers' behavior was also frowned upon since they were outwardly friendly towards Holo. Pomu didn't have any major involvement, so her reputation is still relatively clear.
8. May 1, 2022 : Luxiem officially get Bilibili channels (https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1520712132718964736).).
9. July 13, 2022 : Pomu Birthday stream, when starting to read pre-recorded messages, reveals that there was "one more" but asks her fans to pretend that she read it on stream. Highly likely that this was Kiara's birthday message, but Pomu explicitly avoids confirming it despite freely being able to namedrop Kiara in prior streams (https://youtu.be/zkAecWb_yTs?t=10401).).
10. July 21, 2022 : Kiara SC reading stream, SC references Pomu collab. Kiara reveals that she had been hopeful for a while, but looking at "recent developments", it felt like it was never gonna happen (https://youtu.be/qEPw2vxjTaw?t=15873).).
11. Aug 06, 2022 : Pomu sends the contents of her bag for Kiara's bag reveal stream (https://youtu.be/wtRj5RGlMHA?t=6371).). Indicating that Hololive management has no problem with Kiara involving Pomu in her streams.
12. Pic related is the latest clue we have, where the post discussing the aforementioned incident was deleted from the Nijisanji subreddit with no explanation, but was not deleted from the Hololive subreddit, which explicitly has a Rule against "advertising VTubers outside of Hololive". Even the Hololive mods commented on that post, telling people to chill, but did not lock the thread, delete the post or prevent discussion.

So yeah. A lot of Nijifans think that the block is from Cover's side, but every piece of evidence we've seen indicates that the block is from NijiEN side. Very likely due to a large part of their audience now being from China.

>>30977484
>>30977695
NijiEN wouldn't block collabs because they only stand to benefit from a collab with HoloEN. HoloEN being the reason for the blocks makes the most sense.

I've seen some streams where NijiEN worry about mentioning or showing HoloEN stuff. It makes me think that HoloEN will copyright strike content that they haven't approved.

>>30979573
Is bart simpson a she to you or..?

>>30948066
Literally everyone in nijien is a Chinese-Something, it had been pretty obvious how racist management is for awhile

>>30979664
See.
>>30979600
We obviously like Nijisanji but why do we need to pretend that this narrative isn't real...is it so hard to even entertain the idea outside of some concrete facts which counter it?
Hololive hasn't had a yab where they're literally shitting on an entire wave of Niji members...

>>30980017
We literally have more flips than chinese

>>30979664
>It makes me think that HoloEN will copyright strike content that they haven't approved.
This is backwards. AnyColor is the company that keeps striking down fan projects. Cover has sanctioned and supported multiple fan projects, including at least one project that is /here/. HoloCure and Smol Ame are both fangames that have gotten multiple streams from talents, approved by Cover. HoloFightZ has been tweeted out by multiple talents, referenced by Aki in a stream, inspired at least two talents to do their own wrestling streams, and featured in Haachama Sunday. All approved by Cover.

Where's the Niji game? Rocksuki? The Pomu button?

>>30980147
They're half Chinese

>>30980283
What are you talking about? Both of the niji projects you mentioned were featured on streams

>>30980356
even the most famous chinese girl on nijien was born on japan

>>30980450
Those are also the ONLY Niji projects of note. Holo has a lot of other projects that don't get mentioned, and Cover leaves them alone.

>>30980548
I don't understand what point this is making. Doesn't alter the idea that Nijisanji has some weird Chinese ethno-nationalist thing going on

>>30980698
It literally doesn't, stop forcing your boogeyman on a group that had nothing to do with it

>>30980680
If you're going to say that nijisanji is nuking fan projects then start giving examples, for now you only mentioned two that were played on stream by the livers themselves

>>30979600
>a bunch of huge leaps and massive assumptions
>evidence
>china boogeyman

>>30980977
If Nijisanji is so popular and doesn't strike down fan projects, then they'd have more projects out in public. So far I've only seen the two I already mentioned.
>Prove a negative, then, if you're so smart!
How about you prove that there are Niji projects out there? Should be pretty easy if they exist, right?

>>30981874

>>30979600
>Schizos will try to deflect this post with "muh China boogeyman"
>Won't acknowledge that even without taking the Chinese audience into account, all of the evidence indicates that NijiEN has a problem with HoloEN, not the other way around.

>>30948654
They caught noor doing damage control? Thought she publically disappeared after IN shuttered and went into management

>>30948654
>Phase Connect had a booth at AX but Niji didnt.
Imagine being a nijinigger.

>>30956300
Omega hates Nijisanji.

>>30979600
You holoniggers really pretend Nijisanji had no CN branch for ages. No one knows where the block is. End of story, here's the (you) that you craved.

>>30985006
It's not on Hololives end, so I don't know what more you want.

>>30985109
Post the exact documentation that proves this. There would be a statement, especially since Holo and Niji can collab between every other branch (including the CN one.)

>>30948654
I remember back in 2019 I was really excited for the Nijisanji EN branch to open one day since I liked a bunch of the JP talents, now look at the state of things. What a disappointment.

Why are holocuckolds so loud today?

>>30985681
Internal company blacklists are private for a reason anon.

>>30948654
>Holobronies are so schizophrenic that make lists like these
Jesas, you need help. Anyone can make a huge list of cherrypicked events and twist it into being some sort of "negative"

>>30985681
Someone literally posted chicken saying she can't collab with the dumb fairy, but they let the fairy be in her handbag review stream. It's pretty fucking obvious who's blocking shit unless you just want to stay in your pretend world.

>>30986060
and the fairy talked about hololive and showed hololive merch when it was showed in her fan room review

Nijicucks sure getting their exercise in, moving all these goalposts today.

>>30985681
>Post the exact documentation that proves this
This is the dumbest fucking post is the whole thread. Very impressive

>>30986105
>Talking about a vtuber and showing merch when it shows up in a large group of merch
>Somehow the same as the vtuber showing up in your stream chat and giving you pictures of her bag that you show off to everyone, basically being a guest star for the stream.
Anon you might want to get checked out. I think you might be retarded.

>>30986125
they're used to it

>>30986353
>projection, when this >>30986301 is moving the goalpost

Unity isn't worth with these vile people

>>30948022
Like, what do you think Hololive meetings are about? They talk about the same shit with their staff.

>Manager shown to be of Chinese descent
>That means he's a rabid nationalist who hates Hololive and that's why collabs are blocked
>Wanting numbers for a shill stream is... le bad!!!
>300 posts of SEAfriends jerking each other off about how evil Nijisanji is

It's not schizophrenia at this point, y'all are just flat out retarded

>>30986593
Sure they do, chinkbug

>>30986757
>posting a chinese whore
ogey

>>30948066
Based, Niji will eat the vtuber market just like China will eat the world as the burger empire crumbles

I can't be satisfied by such weak drama. Leak harder next time, puking rainbows. In the meantime, I'm gonna go watch my ex-oshi kanipan for old time's sake. Even after all these years, my crabwife is cute today as always. Vtubers these days just can't compete...with the old flames that dwell in a seasoned anon's heart. But just to be sure...
>open stream
>vox_farting.wav
>close stream
Yeah...I've made the right choice.

>>30950569
>ywn pay $10 for anal with Finana
Why life

>>30950996
.50 yuan have been deposited to your account

>>30947891
How do they keep leaking this stuff?

Anyone else wish we could see the real gura/senza instead of the sanitized version of her?
I liked her a lot better when she was on twitch.

>>30947891
Thread theme
https://youtu.be/lOGXeGMH6_U

>>30964215
Yes, she's pretty stupid. It's likely she'll get bonked hard. I don't want her to drag anyone else down though