/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>30566218
>Sakura Miko
>God tier
>

>>30566218
who is this
also kson not in half japanese tier and bae same tier as mori? is he genuinely retarded

>>30566218
Huh, is Bae really a C tier? Also, when is Sora joining either Nijisanji or Holostars? He'd honestly be a good fit for either.

>>30566218
Why are Kson and Coco in different tiers?

>>30566218
Lazy Whori should be in the whore tier, but move up Bae.

>>30566310
this whole tier list is retarded, it could make even clipwatchers blush

>>30566218
More curious to hear his reasonings for the placements.

i'd put Yabatan on A, his exaggerated american accent is just for show.
also he looks whitest white guy as fuck, japs will still asked him B question nonetheless

>>30566459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpyjUKOJGk found the VOD. I thought he didn't archive streams, but I guess I didn't look hard enough.

>>30566218
dude put coco and kson in different tiers

Anya doko?

>>30566526
Her name is even bolded, anon.

>>30566218
this is tier 4, the green one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzfAdgdx7w

>>30566394
Look up Coco's debut. Her nihongo was bad. Getting good in Japanese is not that hard unless you only treat it as a job and have no passion.

>>30566218
Is this list a joke?

>>30566526
why rating native speaker???

>>30566394
Because her Japanese improved

>>30566218
Yabatan/Dogen are my favourite japanese wypipo comedy duo.
>>30566490
Yeah he can even write the kanji for spasm

>Sakura Miko

>Anya and Petra in the same tier

theyre

Kiara doko
Ina doko

Who the fuck is this guy and what credentials does he have to rate people's skill?

>>30566218
shit list

>>30566673
He's Japanese and also (was?) a teacher.

>>30566510
Kson's been in Japan for longer than Coco has, it's only reasonable her Japanese is better.

>>30566218
This list tells us how little Mori cares.

>>30566218
>Anya and Reine aren't in god tier
Will unsubscribe from Sora the troll.

>>30566673
His name is actually Sora the Troll and is native japanese, self taught in english.

My nigga ChrisBroad has a Mori tier japanese while living here for even longer, worse than ID girls

>>30566218
Why are you posting this literal who as if we’re meant to know or care?

>>30566673
Funny guy. Or used to be that is, I didn't watch him in months.
https://youtu.be/mQTEgWRi7FU

>>30566218
>Anya and Petra in the same tier
THEY ARE

>>30566218
How the fuck is Bae in the same tier as Mori?

>>30566394
>>30566510
>>30566738
Sora knows, of course. Here's his reasoning on why they're in different tiers. https://youtu.be/wBpyjUKOJGk?t=4525

>>30566218
Anya is Japanese. fix the list nip.

>>30566831
Is this the guy japanese learning threads on various board like to shill/joke about? Or am I mistaking with someone else

>>30566218
Idk about others but Bae is way better than Calli in japanese. I think this is obvious even for people who don't know the language.

>>30567012
That’s just a reason to put mori even lower

>>30567012
she's better but still not enough to bump up to B tier. bae still stumbles a lot

>>30566218
>Kson and Coco in different tiers
I see, it's a retard.

>>30567128
>>30566935

>>30566302
Only those blessed with the gift of tongues can comprehend what Miko is saying.

>>30567012

I agree. I've done pretty much only Duolingo for about 5 minutes every day for 500+ days straight and I can pretty much understand everything Calli says. If I'm watching a JP stream, I only understand like 10-15%.

>>30567012
Yeah. Mori should be in D

I wish it was more acceptable for people to do this same thing, but for English. 4chan is basically the only website where you can mock someone for their terrible English. ESLs often don't realize how bad their English actually is because people are way too positive.

>>30566815
Huh wheres Reine

>>30566218
I fucking hate this retard
So cringe and unfunny

>>30567009
Probably not the same guy.

I thought Baelz japanese was better than the. neat
>>30566302
hey she's still below hafus like pikamee and joey kek

>>30566218
Mori is shit?

>>30567230

English is the easiest language to learn in the world, so it's nothing special if people are good at it or not, unlike Japanese. I learned English in like 2 months while watching American TV shows.

>>30567257
not your hugbox

not a vtuber

Mori's problem is simply that she cannot shed her accent or even cover it up.

>>30567319
And yet, you still see the most basic of mistakes pop up constantly on this board. I guess that could be a good thing since it is easy to call them out as being SEA. But I'm sick of seeing it. Other boards I frequent do not have this problem.

>>30567319
i was near fluent in english before i ever got it in school just because i played vanilla/tbc wow on my moms account and pokemon on my ds. anyone saying english is hard is an insecure EOP

Am I supposed to know
>who the fuck this is
>who the fuck half of these other people are
>why this is even a thread

>>30567380
Most mistakes are just people not proof reading their sentences before posting

>>30567349
Hate this anon, so fucking retarded

>>30566394
It's literally a then vs now.

>>30567373
Does accent really impair fluency if you're still pronouncing the sounds correctly?

>>30567459
Maybe for some of it, but there is clearly less comprehension here than other boards. When you see the same mistakes over and over that no native would ever make, you begin to notice.

Why is Kson a tier above Coco? lmao
Kson should definitely be lower than Anya, Petra or Dogen.

>>30566365
Based on the other people in C tier, she should be in a tier between B and C.

Btw only EOP don't understand that Miko being bad at Japanese is a joke and think that she really can't speak properly.

>>30566310
Kson's not a hafu though.

>>30567319
>I learned English in like 2 months while watching American TV shows.
It shows.

>>30567373
t.copebeat. Imagine being cucked by trying to defend someone who does not care about you.

>>30566218
>Ariana Grande

>>30567459
>Mistake
Bitch, I'm doing it on purpose. I didn't like to proofread my college papers. I'm not about to do that for that hell hole of a place.
I'm here to phonepost some shitposts and farm you's from Anons that will call me ESL.

>>30567382
If it's so easy, can you please get these damn spics I have to share a state with to learn it already? It's extremely annoying to have Pedro not even know a single word after being here for 20 years.

>>30567491
The accent is part of pronouncing shit correctly

>>30567523
>>30566935

Bae should be at least 2 tiers above Mori.

>>30567617
What, I'm saying that's why she's shit.

>>30566218
Mori should be put in whore tier, for whores who use vtubing only as a stepping stone for their career.

>>30567491
You're literally not pronouncing shit correctly if your accent is heavy.

ive been speaking japanese for 10+ years (7 living here) and it’s always super fucking uncomfortable to hear moris japanese. it sounds like she is barely out of her japanese 101 class and the pronunciation is so “weeb white woman” that i physically couldn’t bare myself to watch the recent eikaiwa collab on lui’s channel. i don’t hate her otherwise but if i hear her speak japanese i run to shut her off.

>>30566302
I learned to understand nihongo by watching migo for 2 years anon

It feels like Vegeta in the Gravity Chamber Traning in an intense gravity.
Only to feel like floating once you go watch other JP chubbas

>>30566218
kek

>>30567846
>r/japan
>r/japanlife
mori is one of em

>>30567219
Yeah, mine.

If you're so great at speaking Japanese, prove it. Make a Vocaroo. Let us laugh at your shitty Japanese speaking skills. But you and I both know you won't. It's much easier to make fun of someone online than learn the language yourself.

>>30567846
She just never put any effort into it unlike you.

>>30566218
Using google translate to talk to japanese people is cringe...??

If he says anything positive about "the anime man" he's my enemy.

>>30567373
Americans unironically believe using accents is racist.

>>30566218
>Anya and Petra in A and not in SSS+
Tier lists continue to be utter trash for low iq faggots

>>30566218
>You need to be born in Japan to speak it well
Why is Japanese like this?

>>30567459
Other than obvious mistakes with grammar or that common problem of not knowing how much spacing to put around punctuation, I think the biggest giveaway is lack of collocation skills for English among ESL's, probably for almost any language that's something impossible to master unless you are native or highly fluent like Norwegians

>>30568007
The more simple and easy explanation is that she is lazy. And heck, you could have even tied that into your American hatred by calling American's lazy. But you picked the option that is clearly not the correct one because you wanted to make a cheeky comment. Nice work!

>>30567929
Oh yeah... you once exist.....

>>30566218
>A Kson
>B Kiryu Coco
??

>>30568063
he says they are culturally japanese, not jsut fluent

>>30567929
https://voca.ro/12dlVe9cyiFg

>>30568203
She improved over time. And Coco was playing up a foreign japanese.

>>30567846
Not as experienced but still get what you mean. Like it doesn't bother me at all when a learner is struggling on stream but still making an earnest effort, most of the time Mori's Japanese comes out like she's trying to show off how she can at least speak more than others liked Gura or Moona

>>30568203
>>30566935

How many fucking times do I have to link my own post to people who don't read threads

>>30568242
It's shocking how many people don't read threads before making a stupid reaction to an OP. But unfortunately, that's how it is nowadays.

>japanese with a heavy english accent = disgusting wigger whore has no respect for the language or the culture she’s leeching from
>english with a heavy japanese accent = HECKING KAWAII AND WHOLESOMURINO DESUUU \(^_^)/

>>30568063
I doubt you can learn JP fluently without living there. There are some nuisance for native speakers that foreigners can't understand.

>>30567319
>English is the easiest language to learn in the world
and eops still can't tell the difference between you're and your

>>30568234
怖えぇ...

>>30566218
Where is Ina... she's better than Mori at Japanese she just doesn't flaunt it.

>>30567869
I kneel anon...

>>30568312
that's literally a mistake only natives make though

>>30567846
Please buy a fucking shift key

>>30568267
I'm of the opinion that it's cute when Jap girls do it, but I cannot stand pretty much any other ESL's accent. I expect perfection from everybody but Japs in English.

ESLs misusing EOP will never not be hilarious.

>>30566218
a shit list having miko that high and I can't quite remember where I know akidearest from

>>30568152
Your perceived offence is entirely in your head, friend. You know I'm not wrong since you didn't even bother denying it.
>She's just lazy!
Why not both?

where am I?

>>30568315
よしよし

>>30568369
You're only wrong because of the context in which you said it. I hate how easily offended people in America can get, but it is not common to get offended by trying to speak a language properly. At best you were exaggerating, but I assumed you wanted to make a quick jab that I tend to not like since they are usually only half-truths.

>>30566218
>matt vs japan
>A tier
LMFAO

No other group will try to lecture you about English more than ESLs, even if they have a tenuous grasp on it at best. And then when a white person tries to talk about Japanese, no matter what is said and no matter if they are right or wrong, it is suddenly bad for them to do so since they are not Japs.

>>30566218
This dude’s English fucking sucks, I’ve seen Mexican working at McDonald’s speak better English.

>>30566673
He is Tokino Sora's alter ego

>>30566302
>EOPs

>>30568761
that's not sodachan

How is Connor in the same tier as Mori for god's sake, Mori could arguably considered to be intermediate at least.

>>30568454
Fair enough. I realize it can be difficult to tell if someone is being disingenious here or not, but I gave my take in the context that she's refusing to speak japanese properly (with and accent) because she's been ingrained to believe she's being racist. I based it on the fact that I've had Americans in the past tell me this is why they do it.

>>30567230
I don't want to use perfect english exactly because i am in 4chan

>>30566218
>ken cannon
there is like one minute video of him saying some japanese lines to himself

>>30568865
As an American myself, I can say what you are talking about has some merit despite how silly it sounds. But like everything, it depends. Mori is not at the level in which improving would be considered racist by the kinds that get offended by everything. But maybe she has some kind of retarded thought like that. However, I would rather believe that she is simply only lazy because it keeps the slight faith I have in my country alive and it fits more with her "work ethic".

Are you saying that Americans will purposefully keep their shitty American accents when learning a new language for fear of being deemed as racist?

>>30569041
Can't say I blame you, stay strong brother.

>>30568349
Please buy a . key. It's even cheaper than a shift key.

>>30566218
I believe it. It's basically being Japanese > having a degree in saikyou nihongo > living in japan for a few years > Japanese self-study > Google Translate. If it's true that gaijin ghettos eliminate the need to become jouzu, then it's a matter of course Mori would stop at passable Japanese and focus on her music career instead. After all, she is Hololive EN rather than Hololive JP.

そうでしょね、ソウダさんよ

>>30569150
No. And this is exactly why I was arguing at first because people like you will take it at face value and blindly believe it. The actual truth is that some very small amount of people would find it racist if you go really hard on an accent. For example, if you spoke Mandarin with an exaggerated ching chong accent, some would get offended. But speaking it normally wouldn't result in a reaction. And keep in mind, only a small vocal minority gets mad.

>>30567929
https://vocaroo.com/9G3EugAy2Iw

>>30569150
Not to keep the river of shit flowing, but that's not the worst thing Americans do in fear of being labeled racist.

>>30568349
Kek

>>30566673
A japanese and former english teacher

>>30569041
>it fits more with her "work ethic".
What do you mean?

>>30566218
>miko in god tier and dogen and kaichou in the same tier
eh?

Where is Kiara?

>>30569308
The quotes were meant to symbolize that I was being sarcastic. The joke is that she has no real work ethic and is lazy. That's what I meant. If you're an ESL, quotes are sometimes used in that way.

>>30569254
what was the source for this again

>>30566218
MIKO SHOULD BE EVEN HIGHER!
HER NIHONGO IS SO ELITE THAT EVEN NIPS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH UNDERSTANDING HER!

>>30569360
No I understood that but why do you believe she has no real work ethic? You don't believe that she is as busy as she says?

>>30569355
None of these gaijin e-celeb/streamer groups care about Kiara.

>>30569417
Come on now, do I even need to respond to this seriously? I'm sure someone else could give a better argument as to why Mori is lazy. But I will just say that if she did have a real work ethic, her Japanese would improve over time instead of being at the same roughly poor or mediocre level as it was years ago.

>>30569185
Thanks. Civil disagreements are a rarity in a thread like this. I'm shocked we weren't calling each other mutts or europoors, so I'm happy it ended this way.

>>30569558
I am just curious.

>>30569632
I see. Unfortunately, I am overly cautious about the deadbeat meido, so I really don't want to expand on my point.

>>30566218
>IRyS God Tier
BASED Tier list that is all i need to know

>>30566815
>Reine in God tier
Her Japanese is better than Mori but she's still doesn't have great japanese. Based on this chart she would be in the same tier as Mori because Bae still shares a tier with her.

>>30566218
https://youtu.be/CXRa9XD6Ygc?t=30
is this cringe tier?

>>30570870
well, she is japanese

>>30569532
This, it's better this way though. They are cancerous and Kiara is well aware of that

>>30570884
Something is really messed up when you realize Connor shares the same tier with Bae

>>30569558
Work ethic isn't a universal thing that would magically make her cram more time she doesn't have. All this proves she's investing her energies elsewhere.

>>30571079
the tiers are excatly what they are written as: how japanese would respond to you if you spoke to them

>>30566310
Kson had the unfortunate experience of having Japanese parents but living overseas. She was probably stuck in a shitty ESL program in an awful Georgia public school. That's why she's bad at both English and Japanese. Many such cases.

>>30571079
That welsh bastard has improved a lot, he just can't get rid of his accent which makes him sound a lot worse than he actually is.

>>30568063
Because the GOD tier can actually think in Jap. It's explained in I think the explanation for Nick channel? His nip is almost GOD tier but he uses expressions that make sense for gaijin but not nip for example "Kill me" instead of "I'm dead". Irys tosses out those nip-only expressions effortlessly.

>>30567770
>I thought you're the suiseifag

>>30566310
>kson not in half japanese tier
Fucking newfag. God damn watch vods before acting like you know anything. Kson was fucking awful at japanese back in the day

>>30566218
>mattvsjapan not god tier
That annoying cunt is going to lose his shit at this lmfao

>>30571079
The chart is fine. Secondary speakers wouldn't pick up the small nuances a native would, so I trust this guy. Same shit with ESLs thinking they can perfectly blend in.

>>30569714
just give a discord invite

>>30566870
It's true. His Japanese is super cringe. I can't stand watching him speak Japanese and then make up some excuses about why he's bad. "I haven't practiced in a while" or something when clearly his peak wasn't even N3. Mori...

>>30571675
I dunno what you're talking about with "excuses". He's pretty open and self-aware about being shit at it

Miko elite definitely super ultra god-tier/

>>30568339
haha yeah about that...
>t. brazilian who spellchecks translated documents

>no one saw the video
the nihongo jozu is not ironic, it really is "your japanese is good". Just not on the other levels.

that being said, mori does reside in Japan for a long time, you'd expect better.

>>30568312
its sad that your retarded!

>>30566218
>kekson
>A tier
This guy is retarded

>>30568349
OKAY!!THANKYOU!!

Be honest with yourself now. IF you knew next to nothing and then found yourself living in Japan for several years. Would your Japanese be better than Mori's is now?

>>30573480
Yes.

>>30568234
長い

GOD TIER is for Japanese, half-Japanese or people who grew up in Japan. Sasuga, you will never be Japanese tier.

>>30573480
Yes, I speak better Japanese than cali just by hunting down Japs here in Australia and bullying them into conversation

>>30573480
No. I've been trying to learn Indonesian for a year and I can only understand Zeta and Anya ei I'd expect I'd do worse if I'm trying to learn a more difficult language. My memorization is also shit too.

>>30574033
>can learn literally any language on the planet earth
>chooses indonesian
the fuck is wrong with you

>>30566218
>Kiara not even acknowledge
Holy based

>>30572682
miko is in god tier so I'll consider it a shitpost

>>30574265
that trash taste fag is too after looking again

>>30574433
I know you hate him anon but he was literally raised in japan for part of his life

>>30566218
Imagine debuting with being able to speak Japanese being the one thing about you that stands out and two years later being forgotten about it.

>>30574230
Because Kiara is legit and this scares the Japanese. She's proof that you can learn moon without having easy mode turned on.

>no japanese parents
>no asian heritage
>no grammar advantage by knowing Korean, e.g Ina ina
>no kanji advantage through knowing chinese, e.g. bae

>>30574204
Honestly it's pretty interesting. In theory it should be easy because it belongs to the same language family as my native tongue. It's really cool to discover how words change as they cross the sea, and the influence of different colonial powers to the sister languages. South East Asian history has been one of my blind spots so learning a language while learning the region''s history is quite the experience.

Plus Reine told me. Ironic because her own indonesian is hard to understand.

>>30573480
Anyone can be better in Japanese than Mori if they tried for a year. That just tells you how little she cares about hololive.

>>30574820
>That just tells you how little she cares about hololive
So what about the 90% of other EN girls who are worse than her at japanese? You say anyone who cares could surpass Mori in a year. Well, the newest EN's in council have been here a year. Or what about the 99% of JP girls who can barely say hello in english?

Dunno who this is, don't care who this is, don't give a shit about his opinion, don't speak japanese. Simple as.

>>30574820
>Has not invested her effort in things he personally prefers therefore she hates Hololive
I will never understand this logic.

>>30575288
Yet you cared enough to reply to a thread all about this shit.

>>30575603
There is no dogshit slide thread I will not improve with my presence. It's my gift to the board.

>>30566302
>>30566602
>>30568361
>>30569327
>>30574265
It's so easy to spot the clip watching EOP subhumans.

>>30566608
Native Japanese

>>30575191
>JP girls who can barely say hello in english
英語は難しいね. Also people do not like vtubers who are smarter than them so if they can speak English they keep their mouths shut.

>>30576230
>so if they can speak English they keep their mouths shut.
Fubuki....

>>30575191
Why do the JP girls need to learn English when none of you fags are the target audience? The entirety of hololive could literally pull out of all but the Japanese market and barely feel a tickle in their finances.

>>30567128
The power of the japanese retard

>>30576366
That's quite literally because Cover refuses to invest overseas. EN has far more potential and is monumentally more successful on an individual basis.

I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PEOPLE HATE CDAWGVA SO MUCH, He's perceived as a hyprocrite because of his alter right now. I will not make fun of /vt/ for trashing on Cdawgva anymore but I will not join the hate train, a person's attitude toward something can change as long as they are introduced to the idea.

The hate for Cdawgva is like how everyone is not convinced of Greta Thunberg, sure she foght for "climate change policies" while that may be a good hill to fight on (but a misguided one) the way she fights it is hypocritical, she goes to press releases from a private jet plane and because of that she's not contributing to what she is fighting for, that's the closest parallels I can see with the Cdawgva hate here which I completely understand now.

>>30576531
>monumentally more successful on an individual basis
kekw

>>30573480
I've been staring at Miko wakipai for 15 minutes

>>30575937
proof next thread?

>>30566770
Of course Mori doesn't care. The only real reason she's even been living there is because it's one of the only places with a shitty enough rap scene for her to have made it. If it wasn't Japan, it would have been South Korea, and if it wasn't SK it would've been some other rap 3rd world like inner Mongolia.

>tier list puts Calli on the same level of nip as Bae
>threadreaders can't stop seething at the former for a second
the pink syndrome is real
the lazyposting is especially funny

>>30567319
Correction: English is probably the easiest language on the planet to get good enough to use well enough most people no longer care. It is, on the other hand, probably one of the hardest languages to get really, really good at. Fortunately basically no-one gives a fuck about people being good at it except from fiction writers.

>>30574820
>That just tells you how little she cares about hololive.
If Mori doesn't care about Hololive. Then what about Gura?

>>30577316
Gura has fallen back into severe alcoholism and doesn't know what a hololive is

>>30577018
Anon, I think you forget that it was japanese hip hop band that she got influenced by.

>>30577301
>probably one of the hardest languages to get really, really good at
Why? Once you get somewhat decent in a language you can pick up the remainder through osmosis using native content, so once you get good enough in English the rest should come with time.

>>30577018
Inner Mongolia has a great rap scene though. Mori should collab with one of their artists or at least nepo hire one of them to EN3.

>>30566218
This nigger still rocking the Sasuke hair kek

>>30566310
>bae same tier as mori?

Really this is all you need to know. You don't even need to know Japanese to know this. Bae has full JP only collabs where she only stumbles or struggles a few times. Mori can't even have a short conversation in Japanese.

>>30577301
No and kys
It's the easiest at every stage

the miko one makes sense
being a talented enough actor to put such an impactful voice on the language you speak is extremely hard.
it requires a lot of talent to do properly.

>>30577689
powerful threadreader take, get your crown king

>>30577689
does she fall into the next higher tier? no? then she is in the same tier as mori

>>30577617
It's two factors:
1) English is very free form and complex, so nobody really gets it perfect anyway, and so there's a lot of leeway for expression that "feels" right.
2) Cultural expectations. People in the anglosphere are used to people all over the world trying to use their language. People are so incredibly used to people being not as good at the language that people are actually more used to and accepting of it. You will notice this very clearly if you, say, go to Japan and try to use basic Japanese. People will be so unused to hearing beginners and lower tier speakers of their language that their ability to cope and understand with it will be *lower* than in places like the anglosphere. I imagine Spanish has similar properties to English in this respect.

>>30577714
No it's up there near the top in terms of grammatical and vocabulary complexity. English is the great equalizer because everybody sucks at it including anglos

I worked with an Indian guy for half a year once. Took me all that time to finally start understanding his accent.

>>30577301
no, proper english is actually hard. its is literally a mix of 3 european languages blended over time. and once you start going into written territory it is also difficult

>>30566929
UNITY

>>30578413
It's the french's fault

Why the rage over JP girls learning English? If all they speak is Japanese then they are just as uneducated and ignorant as an American who only speaks English. And none of these girls make up for it by speaking another language either, be it Chinese, Korean, or whatever else language that would be easier for them to learn than English.

>>30578413
That's basically what I was implying though? Starting is easy. Getting good enough people understand you and you can understand them is easy. Becoming a writer or something is exceedingly hard though. This is true for most languages but English takes it to the next level

>>30578519
did you think
>it's okay since they're Japanese
is a meme?

>>30578855
What do you mean? I think it's only fair to hold the EN and JP girls to the same standards

>>30567319
>>30567382
>>30568339
>>30577714
t. ESLs that think they're fluent because they watched Friends/Scrubs/Big Bang Theory on repeat as a kid. The Anon above had it nailed on by saying the majority of ESLs have terrible English skills, but because it's such a widely spoken language those mistakes are often ignored. This happens everywhere, except for places such as here, where they are rightly ridiculed. Not to mention your pronunciation and accents are all over the place and stick out like a sore thumb.

>>30579649
then you're fucking dumb because people here never will

>>30578519
Because they are the main branch they literally don't need it. The sidebranches on the other hand should know their fucking place and learn the language of their employer if they want to get anywhere.

>>30566218
>IRyS
>god tier
confirmed for not even watching streams. IRyS is simultaneously ESL and JSL.

>>30566815
Anya is probably should be God Tier now. He's using her Debut video. If he watched her Needy Girls Overload video, it will probably be revised to God Tier.

>>30566218
Being in the same tier as Bae is pretty good though

>>30582296
shut the fuck up, EOP.

>>30566365
>>30566931
>>30567012
I looked at the vid, he didn't know whether to put bae in B or C

>>30566218
pewds is trash, what is this list?

>>30567373
She also has limited vocabulary.

>>30567009
don't think I seen him mentioned in djt.

I thought it was obvious mori intentionally mispronounces shit in Japanese she's probably fine off stream.

>>30585130
>mori intentionally mispronounces shit in Japanese
It's basically a coping mechanism to try and mask the fact her japanese is poor. Kronii does the same thing actually.

>>30567929
https://voca.ro/1iqUMmGAtJt4

>>30576230
>Chloe
When will she drop the shit english act. She's practically fluent irl.

>>30585400
Trying too hard

>>30585505
:-( i tried too hard????

>>30585130
ive seen her try and talk japanese normally. her overly bad pronunciation for humor is a protective mask. ill admit her accent isn't the worst american accent ive heard in japaense but its not good lol

>>30566302
it's jork

>>30577018
koreas rap scene is actually pretty strong so i dont think she would have made it there especially with so many prominent girl groups that use rap like mamamoo

>>30585639
Of course not. She wouldn't have made it in Japan either without hololive. It's still easier to make it in any of these rap backwaters than in France or the US, which was my point - Japan is a means to an end to her

>>30567846
same
tbf i cant watch anybody who cant at least try to imitate pitch accent
bae is limited in vocab/grammar but her pronunciation is tolerable (bc shes chinese she knows how to hear pitch)

>>30568349
you can always tell people are sean****rs when they properly capitalise and use periods for simple replies

>>30585712
you've been really waiting for 2h for someone to bite on your bait
damn, what a life

>>30585980
It's really obvious that people have nothing valuable to say when they resort to insulting people for replying to posts...

>>30566218
girlDMbros... we lost..

>>30585980
???? it wasnt bait it was legitimate observation???????????

>>30570977
She herself said she is both JSL and ESL though...

>>30585521
Sorry. I'm having a bad day. Your Japanese is very nice.

>>30586405
aw. its ok. i'm sorry you're having a bad day anon, i hope you feel better soon.

>>30586191
if it's not bait then it's terribly underinformed

>>30585439
>She's practically fluent irl.
truly?

>>30585400
>>30586462
Why do you sound like a castrated male

>>30586247
that is clearly a contradictory statement unless she knows a hidden 3rd language. but even so compared to natives she is equivalent

>>30576230
> Also people do not like vtubers who are smarter than them
Is that so?

>>30586783
I SOUND LIKE A DUDE?!
my self eseteem....dropping....

>>30566218
>pewdiepie
>living in Japan for a few months and already in the same tier as Calli
lmao

>>30586867
Very fuckable though. I'd cum the instant you said やめて

>>30577301
>It is, on the other hand, probably one of the hardest languages to get really, really good at.
That's literally every language.

>>30587104
It's true of anything on the planet, if you ignore any and all matters of qualitative difference or degree

>>30587029
should....i be happy about this....?

>>30574575
Austrians/GOPs do have it much easier compared to EOPs.
Reasons are:
>Japanese somehow translates better to German or German dialects
>Pronunciation of words in Japanese is mostly the same as in German
>German dialects feels oddly more similar to Japanese dialects like Kansai-ben than American or British dialects. As in how they differ from the standard Language. May be a very subjective point.

>>30587212
Yes.

>>30571238
Shd grew up in the an affulent neighborhood in Georgia

>>30585400
I would roast you in Japanese but I'm at the library...

>>30566218
he just doxxed anya and petra are the same voice actor kek

>>30587494
:-( please dont roast me im sensitive. is it really that bad?

>>30568267
Because Japanese is pleasant sounding while Americans sound like they are retarded or trying to insult someone when speaking Japanese.

>>30587104
nah, not if you include all fields of advanced or cultural language use like technical descriptions, literature, idioms, proverbs and so on. of the european languages at least english has the greatest difficulty. many languages dont even have their own words for stuff because they didnt have it

>>30587395
I didn't know this about German. Basically it sounds like out of the major european languages, knowing only French or English is one of the more difficult starting points for Japanese (yeah yeah loanwards, but those don't get you far at all). Spanish and Italians speakers often tell me the pronunciation is pretty much a 1:1 with Japanese.

Hopefully it's atleast not too lofty a goal to become god tier in listening

>>30587588
it would just be friendly banter
you do sound a bit unnatural, probably because you're unconsciously emulating anime girls and bc you're nervous
if you listen to more soft spoken /casual Japanese and paying close attention to their diction and intonation you'll sound less tryhard
in my book you already sound as good as Mori (not a high bar) so that's that

>>30588220
>you already sound as good as Mori
please dont say that. for the love of god please do not say that its not a compliment anon holy fuck ive literally studied this for my job PLEASE

>>30588220
https://voca.ro/13nW7pVv5G2k

>>30588009
Interesting, I do think German may still better than Spanish or Italian since the flow, flatness and dryness matches Japanese more. But that might be just bias.

>>30579730
coping EOP desperately trying to feel superior to seamonkeys
english is incredibly easy at every stage and if you don't understand why, you're low IQ and have never learned another language
btw im American and can tell you have highschool dropout level english

moririn got jouzou'd before this

>>30573480
I have never set fucking foot in Japan and my Japanese is better than hers.
I'm amazed they didn't deport her ass because she's obviously not fucking bothering to learn Japanese.

>>30588675
Wee bit strange that you're upset, he's stating something quite obvious in that it's instantaneously recognised when a foreigner speaks English.

>>30588637
yeah, that does sound like Mori level

>>30588840
which has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn advanced english
his argument is "16 year old pinoy retards speak poor english on 4chan so its hard to learn" LOL

>>30588918
Doesn't seem to be his argument. Why are you upset?

>>30588675
>>30588918
Seems like I struck a nerve. I know you're not American by the way, as no American would react seehting in the way you have.

>>30589054
because i have to breathe the same air as someone as stupid as you

>>30588637
>>30588915
nah ok that's above Mori level, at least judging from the latest 英語伝言ゲーム she had with Gura and some JPs
good job!

>>30574204
People were asking the same thing in early 90s why would they learn Chinese. But by the time they were fluent they could rake all the profits from the emerging superpower.
Sadly it's Chinese, obligatory that anon sharing their experience working with the Chinese. Indonesian are way better people than them and the country is a solid retirement destination.

>>30566302

>>30566218
Strange, I don't see Takanashi Kiara on the list

>>30589070
an ESL telling my I'm not American
that's cute

>>30566218
b-bongos binted?

>>30589070
>no American would react seehting in the way you have
that's literally what amerimutts do regularly lol

>>30589109
Kek, alright Hannah Montana

>>30589070
Americans are the number one seethe and cope champions in the world bruv

>>30588009
I still find some words wonky to pronounce, stuff like きょうしつ for example doesn't really flow well.
t. Italian

>>30588009
French pronunciation is 1:1 with japanese, spanish and italians pronounce u ou everytime

>>30589118
https://voca.ro/1bQn6KdwEdEi
thankie

>>30587395
>>Pronunciation of words in Japanese is mostly the same as in German
excellent bait

>>30589450
your japanese is better than your personality

>>30589612
is my personality bad now????

the girl speaking nip is making me horny

>>30588639
japanese is not flat wtf is this meme
learn to hear pitch accent holy fuck
bae has the best pitch accent pronunciation despite having worse vocab/grammar than kiara bc she grew up knowing mandarin so she can hear tones
maybe some of the phonemes between spanish and japanese are similar (not really bc japanese mora are very uniform and vowels are very short), but any comparison is superficial
pitch accent and vowel length are prob the most important things for pronunciation

>>30589726
cut that out.

>>30587395
Aren't the vowels in German pronounced the same way or close enough as they are in japanese?

>>30589210
>my
Literally no native English speaker will ever make this mistake lol

>>30589309
that ones especially difficult bc the し is devoiced
devoicing is usually not taught bc its not really all that important and native japanese dont even notice they do it bc they do it naturally
dogen has a good video on devoicing

>>30589906
ogey

>>30577018
She only went to Japan because of a single guy and that guy rejected her only to say ok when she blew up. Also she fell for the expat trap bubble. Too many people I know have gone to Japan but ended up just hanging with other expats.

>>30588675
High school isn't one word

>>30589839
japanese is not flat but pitch accent doesnt exist
stopped reading after that

>>30589423
>spanish and italians pronounce u ou everytime
I don't get it, unless you're talking about something like 兄弟, where most will make a very noticeable う sound. Plain う sounds the same.

>>30589990
Oh I'll check that out then, thank you anon.

>>30590096
it should be, and as a native i can choose to write as such in an informal setting
jealous, ESL?

>>30590099
>pitch accent doesnt exist
what?

>>30566218
what about Rambalac

>>30590139
>it should be
See, that's ironically ESL level thinking
That's not how the world works

>>30590140
Guess they've never listened to spoken Japanese or opened the NHK dictionary

>>30589649
you're posting vocaroo's in a pursuit of validation from a bait thread about pink woman
yes, your personality is trash lol

>>30590325
i just wanted to practice japanese.....

>>30590268
you're right languages aren't meant to evolve and only a foreigner would suggest such a thing
fuckkk you got me dude im an ESL!!!

>>30587395
but all consonants in german are super pronounced

>>30567929
Why are Sanallites so defensive?

>>30589450
so when do you debut :>

>>30590470
An American wouldn't get this upset over being called a foreigner
Meanwhile a foreigner would say anything to try to convince others they're not a foreigner

>>30590485
They aren't because sanalites aren't real. You can't have as your oshi someone who never streamed

>>30574606
Why is Reine's Indonesian hard to understand? They all sound the same to me (not that I know any Indonesian).

>>30590369
we can practice together if you want

>>30590485
dead oishi

>>30590369
Wrong thread for that. At most you can learn about our lust and desire to splitroast you here.

>>30590564
I would watch

>>30590485
Because their oshi quit, genius.

>>30590570
see how youre jumping from cope to cope because its hard for you to admit i dabbed on you?
keep coping chud
you will never be native

>>30589649
Nah you just seem insecure about your JP, which is going to be true for anyone who wants to be good at something but isn't at their desired level yet. I think you have more potential than Kiara or Mori just because they keep pronouncing things oddly, making it almost seem like it's deliberate. But pronunciation is only a small part of language, having a solid understanding/experience is the bigger issue.

>>30590793
Okay, Anon
Remember to mow my lawn

>>30590814
t. 30-year old groomer

>girl posts
>thread goes to shit

>>30591536
The thread was shit until the lady with the sexy voice came

>>30591393
Sorry but seeing you guys going back and forth for the entire thread was getting annoying. This is why I hate dealing with people.

>>30589450
I would gladly replace Mori with you. You seem to have passion.

>>30566218
>japanese
makes sense, a japanese would know japanese
>raised in japan
ditto japasene, if you were raised in japan you would speak it as well as a native unless you live in an area with lots of inmigrants
>half japanese
???

>>30592793
Single parent anon, if half is Japanese then they are going to be being raised by a Japanese person.

>>30566673
>lists the anime man as the first name on the list.
Some faggot that anyone with a brain can disregard in two seconds. He might as well be talking about chrischan.

>>30589450
For future reference
https://files.catbox.moe/nnxhkt.mp3

>>30593481
I've been well trained by vtubers, I will nut to this

>>30593481
>>30585400
https://files.catbox.moe/7h8tsu.mp3

>>30593481
sou desu ne...

>>30587724
Thats one way of showing ure a delusionnal eop

>/vt/sisters was not a joke

>>30589122

>>30566218
WHO?

>>30589982
oh my

>>30593905
god

>>30589450
stupid bitch watch dogen and mattvsjapans videos on training your ears to hear pitch
your pronunciation is not that "obviously" than moris, its marginally better, you just talk faster

>Captcha: GAYH2
kek

>>30577011
Miko's Japanese is perfect is just her voice that make it sometimes hard to understand

>>30594169
>dogen and mattvsjapans
they are scammers, only normies fall for that crap
if you really care about pronunciation, read the nhk accent dictionary

>>30566218
Stay out of my /lig/ threads you gaylord

>>30591536
what if everyone is a girl