/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>30501077
Are women really this retarded?

>>30501077
What an idiot

>>30501253
Wait til you see the other members of the group she just joined

>I now face the consequences of my own actions
May this be a good example for others

From 2views to 0view.
Lmao this dumbass women.

>She's from Singapore
I'm not surprised.

>>30501077
I'm glad she was honest. They should all be honest...so I know which ones to avoid.

>>30501435
>so I know which ones to avoid.
You'll end up with no one

In the end they're all making fools of us aren't they. Improve oneself and all.

>>30501455
Probably for the best.

https://twitter.com/ItsOokamin/status/1555743186923925509

>>30501317
Qrd on the others?

>>30501542
I somehow doubt this is true

>>30501544
The betrayer of Kawaii
Ex Cyberlive who's having a menhera episode because her boyfriend left her
Some cosplay slut whose face is plastered all over her twitter.

>>30501455
If you're talking this to reality, that Anon is not wrong, you should in fact, avoid women with boyfriends. Fell for that meme once, getting on with a cheater is not worth the trouble and there's no "chad" feeling about having relationship with a trash person.

>>30501077
KWAB

>>30501632
Jesus christ, which one is which?? I thought Baz was cool but damn

>>30501633
That's wgere you fucked up. You expected anything more than a fling to come out of you hooking up with a woman who was already taken. Once she knew you really wanted her for more than a quick hookup, she had you by the balls.
On topic, I don't give a fuck what they do privately, but they better not bring that shit to the stream and if they spam it all over their non-vtuber account, they better be ready for people to drop them. Hide it, don't talk about it anywhere online, and you're golden. It's almost impossible for women to not talk about their relationships though.

>>30501632
Hylo always have been a walking disaster and while CL had many of their own issues she was responsible for a lot of the early drama
Seeing her try to start her own company like that was baffling

>>30501876
It's not Hylo. It's Inori.

>>30501816
>On topic, I don't give a fuck what they do privately, but they better not bring that shit to the stream
Wish more people thought like this, I feel the idea of character separation is dead from both sides

>>30501542
>gets her boyfriend a vtuber model and then proceeds to make their models fuck each other like a barbie and a ken doll
That's some incredible cuckcore content right there.
I don't know what her viewers thought of this, but considering the "im the worst" doomposting it didn't go over that well.

>>30501816
>It's almost impossible for women to not talk about their relationships though
Companies should adopt a zero tolerance policy, refuse to hire any chubas who've posted about relationships on social media, and cut loose any chubas who even appear to be cheating on their fans.

>>30501950
>>30501816
>>30501077
https://streamable.com/f6foap

>>30501077
>woman being a woman
Wow imagine my shock. The most disgusting thing is she is trying to guilt trip her viewers into coming back by posting shit like that.
You shat your bed you dumb cunt, now lie in it.
This could all be solved by them just not talking about their relationships like it's something to brag about or like it's some kind of accomplishment. Separate your vtuber persona from your personal life. It's not fucking hard.

>>30501077
Good lord, you unicorns are dumb as hell. Every woman after the age of 14 has a boyfriend or at least a sidebull.

>>30501696
Bazeelle/Neena is probably the worst of the bunch

>>30501950
If a male streamer has a girlfriend, is he cheating on his fans?
Having a partner while being a streamer isn't the problem, it's stringing along your fans with GFE and then hard cucking them by throwing your boyfriend into the mix

>>30501696
Bazelle
Inori
The panda one
in that order. Also another potential member is Nia from Prism who seems to be preparing to pull a Bazelle.

>>30501932
But the twitter replies were so supportive! Which is all they see at the time. Reality is that most fans won't throw a fit in public and just quietly walk away, leaving them to watch their viewership slowly decline even though "everyone" is so happy for them.

>>30502021
>If a male streamer has a girlfriend, is he cheating on his fans?
Yes

>>30502012
Well fuck. Guess I should vet my raid targets better, raided her with a pretty big amount a while back. Sorry viewers :(

>>30501077

>>30502021
Ever saw a homostar or niji male bring up their gf?

>>30502002
>accidentally slipping up and instantly regretting it
vs
>openly saying you have a boyfriend and shoving it in everyone's faces and flirting and pretend-fucking on stream

Not really comparable, but still kind of fucked up she's pretending to be single.

>>30502223
Regis brought up that he dated a girl to eat curry that her father made.

>>30501077
She posted more stuff with her boyfriend after that Tweet. At this point, it's already mental illness.

>>30502244
Isn't she doing better now that she's in PC?

>>30502021
If his primary content is playing pretend boyfriend for his viewers and indulging fujos and homos, then yeah.

>>30502251
You weren't even kidding jesus christ
https://twitter.com/ItsOokamin/status/1557317379993923584?t=EK8BMuVVAEmrUXHkcJfyPw&s=19

Key problem is that most male streamers are not banking on BFE, but a lot do bank on FE, which is why they often get dropped so fast if they get outed being horrible to other people.

Almost all female streamers, in their attempts to optimize cash flow, end up teetering towards GFE without even realizing it (very few women are capable of really offering a FE, so the GF bit is really important). The thing is that because the streamers often don't quite realize it, or delude themselves into thinking it's not the case (people who believe themselves to be successful generally aren't going to want to acknowledge that it's dependent on them being romantically/sexually available but instead skill or personality) and so end up totally fucking it up. JP streamers tend to do this less because they are much more self-aware.

>>30502164
>You have to like watching me suck my partner's cock on stream otherwise you're a parasocial incel
wew

>>30502299
>>30502244
https://files.catbox.moe/11hsm8.mp3
She's doing fine, 'bout 200-250ccv

>>30502340
Can you name any female vtubers that offer exclusively FE?

>>30502421
Batat

>>30502421
Lucahjin

>>30502421
No. Part of the problem is that the streamer target viewer-base are largely men, and women tend to be socialized to be *really* bad at being just friends with men. It's not impossible, but it's rare. On top of that, if you're trying to "make it" then you will inevitably end up throwing FE to the wayside for GFE in the chase for success, so fem FE streamers almost always end up being primarily GFE streamers. I think if you want to find fem FE content creators you've gotta look at the crowd targeting women (make-up influencers etc.)

>>30502420
Sure the nearly nude loli model helps.

>>30502421
Onolumi

>>30502420
why do this exist

>>30502340
How do you create a fe environment and not a GFE one? It feels like all female entertainers are subject to GFE experience out of the sheer loneliness of the men that will naturally search out your content. I don't care to make my boyfriend public knowledge, but I don't necessarily want to foster fans that are in love with me

>>30502508
thank you, Shaman

>>30502542
Find another line of work then.

>>30502542
You can't, men and women cannot be friends

>>30501632
>>30501696
>>30502012
Jesus I can't believe that dirty whore pops up in the worst places. Fuck that fat piece of shit.

>>30502542
It's impossible to completely avoid just possible to reduce, but it's not a big deal when it's a minority and it's their problem.

>>30502542
By being honest from the start, as you probably have noticed, most women who are posted here tried to do GFE but got either caught out for being fakes or expected people to just be fine with it.

>>30502542
Mock and ban anyone who shows the slightest sign of parasociality. Look at Bat and Alker as examples.

>>30502616

>>30502616
>slightest sign of parasociality
FE is still parasocial

>>30502340
any female badly playing games live on the internet is gfe, ironic or otherwise

>>30502542
Show bf pre debut and don't act like a whore. That's literally it. If they're actually entertaining people will watch.

>>30502578
They can, but it's a matter of GFE => $$$, while fem FE => $. Additionally socialization. Where do you think all the pick-me shit comes from? it's not just femcels. In most cultures female social groups will absolutely shred women who try to be friends with men. This has become even more the case nowadays in western culture where men are positioned as an absolute oppressor in political discourse. There is nothing innate about the inability to be friends, it's all social dynamics, and it's really really hard to break through all that shit

>>30502578
That's just a sad way for you to say you have no female contact anon

>>30502655
Some only sing all stream long...

how many times does this need to happen before the dumb sluts realize that they literally can just not talk about it and everything will be fine for them

>>30502677
pretty much this. Just be wary of trying to grow, since you may end up doing gfe by accident

>>30501077
Remember when she joined and everyone was shilling and loving her,? god i love seeing this kind of thing, the downfall of a e-thot who thinks her audience will eat everything they shit

>>30502692
>the one streamer activity that doesnt funnel you to interact with chat

>>30502692
Or play an instrument. Need to have a skill like that to be the primary reason people watch.

there's nothing wrong with being a cuck, fucking grow up.

>>30502542
Focus on the content you're making, and no zatsudans and the like. Fewer people will grow parasocial if they just come to you for what you make.

>>30502758
>Remember when she joined and everyone was shilling and loving her
What? The first time she was relevant was when this boyfriend yab happened. Are you sure you're not confusing her with someone else?

>>30502542
Don't be a Vtuber. Or get a model that's a weird nondescript creature instead of a cute anime girl. Don't insert yourself into "waifu" spaces if you fundamentally have issues with the sort of shit that entails, there's nothing stopping you from streaming without branding yourself like that other than the knowledge that you won't be popular otherwise.

They don't even need to say they have boyfriends. Just say verbose "I'm not your online girlfriend, I'm just a person online who you will never meet. I can not fulfill your needs neither will I indulge you. We're just here to have fun."

>>30502653
It is but it's less restrictive on the talent. A friend has many more degrees of freedom and ability to rebuke their audience for bad behavior than an idealized BF/GF

>>30502542
The keyword here is foster. You will see growth from these people. Don't fall into the trap of fostering that particular stream of viewers or relying on it. This is the fundamental through-line that all the FE->GFE streamers fail at whether they want to admit it or not. This will slow your growth, but in terms of content/audience quality it will probably be worth it if that's what you want. Not all growth is good. Some is cancer

>>30502895
This

>>30502857
The first time she was relevant was when subaru doxxed her ip and everyone could see her "wholesome" and "cute" 5ch posts, at that time eveeyone was shilling her and comparing hee wiith the nijien discord yab

>>30502882
>Don't insert yourself into "waifu" spaces if you fundamentally have issues with the sort of shit that entails
This is a good point. Attractive anime models will most likely attract the sort of audience the people behind the avatar doesn't want anyway

>>30503000
Anon I don't think this thread is about who you think it's about

>>30503000
Are you thinking about Laplus? That's not her.

>>30502542
You're going to fall into that anyway when you see the money it can bring in. I await your future boyfriend yab.

>>30503075
... are they thinking of laplus or something?

>>30503000
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>30502895
So like Suisei?

>>30502686
what board do you think this is

>>30503000
This thread isn't about Laplus you retard

>>30502542
actually be skillful at whatever, people watch for your ability and not for coombaiting/parasocial

>>30503199
People don't even necessarily want skill. They want "entertaining". You could be dsp and people would watch if you are an entertainer

>>30502542
>How do you create a fe environment and not a GFE one?
Exercise propriety when streaming and ignore superchats coming from groomers, goslings, unicorns, and other subhumans. Also, follow the advice of >>30502895.

People acts like it's some herculean task to avoid becoming a GFE streamer, just be fucking honest about it and not be like the examples mentioned that played into it from the start and only turned on their audience when they somehow thought they could get away with being openly two faced.

>>30503547
It is a herculean task because people naturally gravitate towards being extremely fucking greedy for attention and money. I don't entirely blame them either.

>>30503547
It's because there are many lonely guys here and a lot of them will project GFE on vtubers who really aren't and attribute being "pandered to" to any action because a female being nice to them always means she's either their gf(e) or manipulating them.

>>30503328
gfe is very entertaining, thats not the point

>>30502002
what is she doing now?

>>30503718
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnJNNk45O1QYS2oMRYFKSyw
200-250 viewers so better than before I guess, but didn't show much of her singing yet sadly

>>30503667
My point is that "skill" isn't relevant. Not really. You don't even need to be good at anything other than engaging people to succeed with non-GFE streaming. Personality is for 99.999999% of streamers absolutely everything

>>30501455
I mean I urge you not to get into female vtubers, I suggest you get magpilled and start breaking the mind controlling the feminist movement has tried to do.

>>30502542
don't stream if you have a boyfriend, or be honest about it from the start but then people aren't going to watch you

>>30502223
Yes Regis talked about his past ex with a chad father and Axel talked about being sad about not being able to attract girls.
It's not distracting, in fact it helps the boys become more relatable because Im sure were all sad that girls dont like us and we only stayed in a relationship at some point because we're fond of their relative. Brotubers are the future.

>>30502910
Your advice is applicable to the broader context outside of just GFE. I've seen 2views not wanting to deal with people in their communities which of course ends up hindering them in the long run.

>>30503777
"personality" is the exact basis for gfe, skill isnt

>>30503755
Too bad because she has a wide range, can get in the lows like this https://files.catbox.moe/pqnm7u.mp4

>>30504115
How many streamers out there do you think people are watching primarily for "skill" and not personality?

Hint: They basically don't exist.

>>30501077
I wish she would kill herself already

>>30504167
yes, thats why gfe makes all the money

>>30504167
There are many streamers watched solely for their skill and not personality
The speedrunning scene is active and like this.

Hell, League of Legends dominated Twitch for countless years with mostly top pro players, you think 185K people watched Faker playing in silence for his personality?

Western whores man lol

>>30504167
You can also watch for the sake of entertainment.

>>30504167
Most of the biggest streamers around now like xqc or Asmongold only got where they are because people wanted to watch them be good at Overwatch and WoW respectively. They then groomed that audience to be able to focus on personality centered content like reaction shit.

>>30504241
Are you implying that most streamers are like faker?

Parasociality is not, at a basic level, a bad thing. It's a natural artifact of one-to-many human interaction. It's all a matter of degree, and at the end of the day in almost all cases personality (and the parasociality that invokes) is at a primacy. The difference between just a streamer, a friend experience and a girl friend experience differs in such a way regardless of "skill" framing - in quality and in degree.

>>30504338
People always watched them both because they liked their personalities (regardless of how good or shitty they are). If you think that wasn't always the case you're delusional. It's been there since day 1.

>>30504241
Faker is a cute dork whose wardrobe consist of 20 white t-shirt all the same

>>30504241
Yeah, MOBA players are the biggest category on twiitch that are only watched for their skill. Dyrus used to pull 10K viewers in his heyday, but now that he doesn't stream League he only gets an average of 500+.

>>30504408
Used to watch quite many of those (and not just the bjergsen/doublelift/jankos but every time they tried to play something else no one watched, despite a few exceptions like Tyler1 I guess.

>>30504549
The dutch disease

>>30504373
>Are you implying that most streamers are like faker?
Depending on the category, yes, it's often how many streamers got their initial audience. Many games like MOBA, all competitive games, speedrunning, etc.
It's been like that for 10 years already.

Shifting away from it to play other games however will require to get your viewers interested in your personality, which not many managed to do (some did).

>>30501077
>The core base of vtubing is inceldom

>>30504241
who the fuck is even "faker" what a cringe name

>>30502652
I think Alker was the only vtuber I've ever watched without feeling any personal attachement to, I watched her solely because I wanted to see someone playing all the Xeno games and only ever interacted with her about the games

Back in my day, everyone wanted to be the new Vanoss or Seananners. Now it's DrDisrespect this and Usada Pekora that and how do I properly parasocialize my audience instead of how do I do the funny moments.

>>30501077
>turn out bf alone can't satisfy her, or making her feels better when she's sad
Quite pathetic I'd say

>>30504844
I don't know about nowadays but back when I played League he was basically the number one League of Legends player in the world.

>>30504913
which is easier?
>making some made up sexy noise while reacting to stuff
or
>actually having the meme bone/putting in effort and research for entertaining content

>>30501253
yes

>>30504711
>>30504373
Just to add on this, which get viewers on the popular categories :

League : Skill
Just chatting : Personality
Rust : 70% skill 30% personality
Valorant: Skill
Apex: Skill
GTA: Mostly personality I guess since GTA RP dominates
Dota 2 : Skill
Minecraft: uhh... 70% personality I guess but skills helps
Slots: idk what that is
Teamfight Tactics: Skill
Wow : hard to say, very weird category
Lost Ark : same I don't get MMO audience
PUBG : Skill
Sports: Personality (if commentary)
CoD : skill
CSGO : skill
Hearthstone : 50/50, you need to be skilled but personality matters quite a bit because of the downtime
DbD : not sure, I'd say more personality
Fornite : mostly skill with some personality
etc.

It may be different for Vtubing but for streaming at least, it's always been like this.

>>30505206
>which
what*

>>30503147
yes, she's your role model.

>>30505206
those are all wrong

>>30501455
lmao you know how many chuubas are there?

>>30505206
those are all right except Rust, that is more personality. WoW is also personality and Hearthstone is more 70/30 skill. Slots is literally just gambling so thats personality.

>>30505206
those are all right

>>30502021
Imagine the meltdown if Vox said he had GF

>>30505503
Oh thanks for the info, I mostly checked Rust in the beginning and it felt like people watched to learn but indeed I guess it makes sense it changed.

>>30503547
>just be fucking honest
anon they're women

>>30505589
>people watched to learn
Is there anything to learn in Rust? Is there much more to it than drawing swastikas, yelling slurs, and killing the naked people?

Remember the VRChat streaming boom, and how a bunch of really popular VRChat streamers were totally unable to get their audience to follow them to other games & content - though some like zen managed it - and began to hate their own success? I'm sure that was because they were so skilled at VRChat

>>30505758
unmarried woman just cannot, every fucking woman I've seen that's a decent streamer without leaning on coomer pandering or GFE was married, and it just makes sense why bitches who lean on those aren't married

>>30505887
That's true, I know I watch streamers for a specific game and wouldn't watch them if they played something else. My interest is the game not the person.

>>30505887
>dumb anon cant figure out what "it depends on the game" means

>>30503755
Is wonton a banned word in her chat?

>>30505788
I mean like, many viewers didn't know or own the game and were watching what it was about, it often happen during releases

>>30501077
>oh no I had a boyfriend yab and "joke" about fucking said boyfriend on stream
>when I'm gfe asmrist
>why is everyone leaving?? I don't get it?! better try to guilt trip them!!
Typical fucking retarded woman. Disgusting. Hopefully she loses more viewers and quits. Western vtubing was a mistake.

>>30506048
But your GFE is gonna be trash if you don't have good practice as GF at least

>>30506436
GFE is less about being a good GF (real good GFs don't act like GFE does thank christ) and more about being a skilled emotional manipulator

>>30506338
... yes sadly, I'm not sure she care this much but I imagine it get old after a while of anons coming to spam it

>>30505206
>League
50/50
>tft
at least 50/50

>>30504115
Their is skill if you're great at manipulating and character acting.

>>30507152
Indeed, Rushia was a good example.

Daily reminder that it doesn't matter how many mods you have, or how many people you ban. If you're vtubing as a cute anime girl, you're inherently GFE until the day you come out as having a man in your life.

Also, all those sweet, supportive messages you're getting in chat saying "you go girl" and supporting your efforts to own the haters/parasocial fucks/incels...are also from parasocial "nice guys" trying to posture as "the good fans." In reality, by virtue if being a woman, your opinions are probably garbage and you should probably be wary of any yes man or woman who just tells you everything you want to hear without questioning anything you say.

And just for the record, if I like you, I will ironically shitpost about you being my fake online girlfriend I've never interacted with and who doesn't even know I exist...and there's nothing you can do about it, because that's all (to the best of my knowledge) true. It's not for the streamer to decide whether or not they're GFE. That's for their viewers to dictate. Also, no random man's gonna show up to actively listen to you "just chatting" for a few hours unless they feel genuine affection towards your on stream persona, because otherwise they might as well spend that time and money educating or improving themselves instead.

>>30502542
First things first, don't get a sexy avatar. Get a weird neutral/funny one. Appearances matter in setting expectations.

>>30501253
they're mentally incapable understanding why there are times they can't have their cake and eat it too.

>>30501077
This has got to be the least self aware individual in the vtuber world. It's actually staggering.

>>30506338
>>30506506
She's just extremely paranoid. Her entire new character is very safe. It's honestly a little disappointing because she doesn't fit in that great with the rest of phase who are a bit more unfiltered.

>>30501077
The eternal roastie. They never learn.

>>30502895
nah that gives off bitch vibes, better to just mention you're in a happy relationship in your twitch profile/youtube stream description and never mention it on stream aside from the odd instance. Also go for a sexually neutral avatar if you don't want to be looked at sexually/parasocially.

>>30502244
What Shirara did was worse. This other bitch is retarded but honest.

>>30502542
Pretend to be lesbian

>>30502006
God you people are so retarded. Do you not understand that the point is never bringing it up in character? I don't give a shit what you do on your RM if it doesn't affect the stream.

>>30507712
I found this girl recently and it was kinda sad because the video that got recommended to me was her 1 year anniversary celebration, then I went to watch her and she can't even get 20 CCV but she still sounds so happy and cheerful.

>>30501542
Doubling down, I see. and not the first chuuba to be dumb enough to push for it rather than just try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. the whole "now we are a streaming couple!" can only end poorly for 2views.

>>30502249
He's gay tho

>>30508543
That makes it worse, look at KFP.

>>30508848
The curry was really fucking good.

>>30508848
He was slurping down her dad's "curry"

>>30505206
The problem with that is that if you base your content on only skill, unless you're near/at pro level why would someone watch you over an actual pro streaming?
As long as you're not bad enough to make people mad while watching you, personality will carry you.

>>30502244
is any of this two the one that started playing bbq simulator or some game with their boyfriend on stream?

>>30508784
Is there any instance of 'streamer couple' actually working out? Literally all the ones I see are either gfs of big male streamers riding off their coattails or 2view vtubers who no one cares about, just feels like streaming isn't really a 'couples' environment, might as well just be vloggers or some shit instead

>>30509167
There is this spanish girl who streams league with her bf, but the whole thing with the audience is they verbaly abuse her because she is shit and is hardstuck in silver, so maybe that's why.
and I also meant that bf yab and going all in only mostly kills 2views because I'm sure both pokimane and nyanners suffered from it going public, but I doubt their careers can be considered dead.

>>30507712
It's their problem if some guys are so mindfucked by an unlucky life that they'll see a content not made for it as "GFE". I use vtubing for pseudo-anonymity of keeping most of my life private.
Cringey donations will get called out as such.

>>30502542
Do whatever Selen is doing. She's a better brotuber than the majority of Niji EN males.

>>30508621
It seems recently many people consider the character to be the same as the person and expect this. I guess this is western vtubing...

>>30502421
unironically Suisei

>>30508905
Kiara actively encourages her fans to simp and be horny for her, that cancels out whatever gayness she may have

>>30502421
Azumalim maybe?

>>30509389
That requires talent, which none of these whores have. That's why they half assedly dip into gfe when they realize they need it to get views, and later get burnt by it because they didn't fully commit (unlike someone like Lamy).

>>30509389
Selen is 1 in a milion.

>>30501077
Whore gets what she deserved

>>30509167
Lucahjin and ProtonJon yeah, married
https://twitter.com/lucahjin/status/1045734267282771970
This tweet was before becoming a vtuber mind you, but she never hid it and even have him come to the stream sometimes, she's around 500 viewers, her husband about 1000 viewers.

>>30509415
Different anon here, but it is. There's no kayfabe present when it comes to 99% of vtubers and they're not acting when talking about their personal life. I would prefer if the vtuber came out and said they do have a bf so I can avoid them

>>30509552
>Azulim
Her edited videos are top tier content honestly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZDGcikaRkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRzW0d4IkF8
Having followed her since before her company went black, I'm really glad she found her niche and seems happy

>>30501354
nyanners will fall any day now
captcha: VSHAM

>>30509737
This bitch took my boy ProtonJon from me, never forgive

you love to see it. these women build their channel catering to lonely, mentally ill men and then when they think they're successful enough they suddenly decide it's morally beneath them and that the audience are the ones to blame.

>>30509681
Absolutely. This is why she should take inspiration from her if she wants to stick to pure FE.Just by wtaching 3-4 streams of hers you can learn some tricks.

Never pander to unicorns and in fact do the opposite. Do everything you can that will chase them away. Collab with men constantly, never pander to even the most innocent "marry me" kind of jokes, be professionnal and always remind your chat you're their "homies" or something similar. All that stuff.

It doesn't mean she will be sucessful as a chuuba if she follows these, but at least it will never enter the GFE domain. Also way way less delusional loners won't want to follow her and treat her as GFE even if she doesn't do anything particular to cater to them.

>>30509968
Nyanners is smarter than this girl, and she's a roach. That's how she has grifted so many for so long. Sadly I doubt she will ever fully fall, albeit she will probably lose relevancy.

>>30502542
Design your avatar as a mascot character that your audience barely perceive as female, and act like a bro or a kid.

If you have a boyfriend then be open about it from the start, and maybe try to build a stream persona that viewers perceive as "one of the guys".

>>30510216
She grifted me into loving her.
I dont understand what the remaining nyanfags are following her for, it's not like she does any of the lovable LA CREATIVIDAD shit she did last year anymore.

>>30509737
>ProtoJon is 36
>Lucahjin is 45
Fucking lucky bastard lived my dream of marrying a hag nearly 10 years older than me, why is life so unfair?

>>30510337
You are still in time

>>30509737
Honestly good for her

>>30501077
it's okay, they'll come around later, when their cuckening progresses enough.

>>30510372
But all women in their 30s are already either married, in a relationship or want nothing with a guy in his 20s

>>30502542
>boyfriend
Fucking block and reported, stop ruining this hobby you fucking piece of shit, I hope you get exposed one day!

>>30508683
I once went into a stream with a chuuba celebrating her 2 year anniversary and there was only one other guy besides me who dropped in and left because the stream was recommended to him. The girl was talking like she had a huge captive audience and I felt bad because it was just me there.

>>30502021
>If a male streamer has a girlfriend, is he cheating on his fans?
Yup

>>30501253
It's mostly the ones in Twitter space. You can't talk about gfe/idol culture/ the 'purity thing on Twitter outside of virtue signalling, so they turn up tone-deaf

>>30501077
I hate obvious GFE pandering vchubas banking on stupid incels but I hate the lonely virgins who enable this garbage manipulative practice. But seriously, if you're playing pretend girlfriend to a bunch of single-digit horndogs, the last thing you want to do is break their illusion.

Also, unironically, have sex so these cunts actually produce something worthwhile instead of the most low hanging fruit type content.

>>30502542
Find your own compromise. And whenever you hear someone say "parasocial", be very careful of whoever said it.
You want to do GFE pandering? Stick to it. Opsec is the name of the game. The rules are already laid out.
You want to be friends with your audience? Play with them, establish some limits, and don't be afraid to call out your chat if they act out of line (firmly, like friends do), like that Holostars guy did recently https://youtu.be/_oZabxOkCI4?t=2703
You just want to do your own thing? Then why are you worrying? Let chat be chat and tardwrangle them (or not) however you want.

>>30502726
Very few people manage good enough opsec to hide it perfectly, and I will not watch a woman who has a boyfriend regardless of whether its on stream or not. I intend to support people who entertain me with cash but I will not support a woman with a boyfriend

>>30511123
Happy to hear that, I have a husband.

>>30502021
on twitch most streamers can get away with it, the chick is even just a bonus
its all about the mentality of "wow he's like my cool friend POGGERS xqcL"
and then you have those streamers who ended up killing their girlfriends and get away with it, those are the best ones
forsenPossessed

>>30501588
How stupid can a person be?

>>30501077
Is her roommate hot?

>>30508683
>sad
It isn't. First off, she's seemingly lived a blessed life. Secondly, as much of a sweet, naive, ignorant, but also somewhat based cinnamon roll as she might be...she also signaled interest in dating another vtuber...and also said that she'd lie about dating someone for 6 months "out of respect for her chat's feelings," implying she l'd continue collecting simp bux the entire time. She also doesn't seem to understand she's unironically a next level "vtuber girlfriend who constantly breaks your heart experience," unironically told her viewers to stop being losers and get life, and her low numbers probably reflect how emotionally painful it is to watch her.

Some vtubers get the numbers they deserve, and this one is primarily for an audience whose hearts are strong enough withstand being shattered to pieces almost every single day. That's the genuine 2view experience. It's rough, raw, and makes you feel extremely conflicted. That's how you know the vtuber you're watching is genuine.
>>30509389
Selen was GFE until Luxiem. Now she's an NTR simulator like the rest of Nijisanji.

>>30511122
>>30502542
Also, if you just want to do GFE pandering but can't into ASMR, just show bob, like Bunny_GIF. She doesn't have any worth besides her body, that's why her "vtuber" channel lately is just her real appearance.

>>30501929
This is why you take the corpo pill and NEVER visit this shithole ever again. For all the tribalism going around between Niji and Holo, their management at least acknowledges that you should never bring IRL shit into the stream

>>30501077
Who?

>>30506436
That's retarded

>>30511122
Solid advice. Too bad even established streamers can’t do some of these. Hololive could stand to have tard wrangling in their chats. It’s so obnoxious I have to turn it off.

>>30511243
Same thing

>make cute avatar
>pander to lonely men to build audience
>tweet about how parasocial = evil
>introduce boyfriend
>say goodbye to audience

>>30501876
The company is for tax purposes. I don't expect to see anyone join or for her to recruit anyone for that matter

>>30511481
>could stand to have tard wrangling in their chats
The last part was mainly for indies. Wanting to do your own thing generally means that, unless you have a lucky break, you'll be a 2view with a loyal audience but shit growth, because you play by your own rules. Growth implies compromises.
But tardwrangling is something everyone should know when and HOW to do, because each type of content and personality requires different skills and expectations.

>>30511333
>Selen was GFE until Luxiem.
Watch fucking streams. She played games with so many men way before the males when introduced in Niji EN. You saying she "became" NTR indicates you're a newfag threadreader.

>>30511405
>This is why you take the corpo pill
>just get cucked by male vtubers goy
No
>and NEVER visit this shithole ever again
No
>you should never bring IRL shit into the stream
Fuck that. I'm so inherently distrustful of female vtubers now, I expect doxx and face reveals to make sure they're not a lying, cheating, two-faced whore. Not gay so don't care about male vtubers. Also, women like popular guys who cheat on them. But when it comes to women, nobody likes getting cucked unless that's their specific fetish.
>>30511843
Right, but those were guys she only appeared to be hanging out with for the moment, and her prolonged communications with them (ie on discord) remained out of sight out of mind. Post-Luxiem, the guys she hangs out with are always around and in the forefront of everyone's mind. They never leave or piss off, and they're in the same company. That's what makes it a dickslap to the face. Rather than the mental image of everyone parting ways after the stream, it just feels like you're being shown the door. That's the nijisanji experience now, and why Niji fans get no respect.

>>30510561
40s is the age of divorce, become an appealing 30yo and you are game.

>>30512254

>>30512254
You're trying too hard, holobrony

>>30512402
>holobrony
Kek. Hololive and Niji are the same. If you debut male vtubers under the same company as women vtubers, don't expect me to stick around. If you don't fire chubas for talking to male vtubers on their vtuber or personal accounts, don't expect me to stick around. The era of zero tolerance is upon us. After all, female chubas are only ever likeable when oppressed by a strict moral code.

>>30512656
Actual unicorn or falseflagger?

>>30506436
As an asmrist with a boyfriend: not at all lmao. GFE has nothing to do with experience, I'm not accommodating for a partners needs or being their shoulder to lean on, infact you barely need to talk to your audience and they'll still be parasocial. Gfe is easy honestly, most dudes will do anything just to hear a women say he's cute or amazing, whatever, and that's an easy niche to fill. Men are honestly really easy to please in that sense, I get why they say women are hard in comparison.

>>30501077
This type of writing I would have expected myself back in highschool

>>30512703
nta but experience leading guys around at least has proven very useful, though it's easy to learn fast young just by playing video games like MMORPG as a girl

>>30512691
Neither
>>30512835
Based take validating negative stereotypes of vtubers as mere grifters.
>>30512703
>I'm not accommodating for a partners needs or being their shoulder to lean on
You're right, our expectations aren't high enough. My fake online girlfriends I don't interact with who don't know I exist should be accommodating my needs,all while lending me their bosom as a pillow to rest my head on.

>>30502023
Nah nia aint joining she reversed course, they also tried to get Utano Pandora in as well

>>30512703
Hey honest question, is your current bf your ideal life partner or just a temporal hook up?
I can’t conciliate how a woman can rationalize reeling men by being flirty and not have any sour feeling of being disloyal to your SO. No one will know of you behind honest here, I’m curious of your take.

>>30513495
From how the post was worded, probably a temporal hook up.

>>30513726
hopefully, for the dude's sake
android replacement for women can't come soon enough

>>30513854

>>30514117
human androids
phones are cool but can't suck me off yet

>>30514117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn5BuD-slw

>>30514117
>>30514171
Didnt in that movie the AI hired an escort to pretend to be her?

>>30511399
>Bunny_GIF
Nah she just didn't want to be a vtuber specifically in the first place. Many such cases

>>30514286
Grifters, yeah.

>>30514286
>wtf you actually have to be funny to succeed? fuck this

>>30514250
>AI hired an escort to pretend to be her
Ultra based. I'm gonna hold out for AI waifus. Vtubers are a wash.

>>30514340
You don't even necessarily need to be funny, just be a good conversationalist.

>>30514340
>Fubuki, Noel, Okayu, Ayame etc.
>Funny

>>30514383
It's still a long way off, the moment an AI works in ways people don't like, they'll just take it off.

>>30514454
okayu is a funny cat

>>30514685
>>30514685
>>30514685
>>30514685

>>30502616
How the fuck do you get banned from Bat?
Like legit have to be retarded.

>>30501077
How hard is it to tell their boyfriends to fuck off for a couple hours during a stream?

>>30515269
they can't resist talking about how good their boyfriend is for 5 seconds because it's how they get all of their validation

>>30514466
I guess we'll just have to build our own

>>30502012
>>30501632
I've been busy for like six months what happened with Kawaii?
And what's going on with Hylo?

>>30515446
You reap what you sow

>>30516029
>what happened with Kawaii
nothing much just Neena being a bitch and getting fired, the company is doing well otherwise. If you want more details for the Neena stuff watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2x1adgFybc

>And what's going on with Hylo?
I think she made her own company where she's the only employee, but she's not the one that's relevant to the discussion. It's Inori.

>>30501077
idiot
it's fine to have a boyfriend. JUST DONT FUCKING TALK ABOUT IT

>>30516221
I know Inori had her boyfriend breakup with her, what happened afterwords?
Also why did she tell her audience, she was GFE, you can just lie?

>>30516288
>what happened afterwords?
Nothing much, she's just preparing to massively downgrade her vtuber model and she's going to join Neena's twitch group.

>>30516399
Why?
I guess she's actually retarded, I mean Aetheria isn't doing great either and it's not a real group so that makes sense, but why change models when you fucking own it?

>>30516508
The mind of zoomer women is a mystery.

>>30516638
so sexy to cute?
Reminds me of the bread fox that played yuigoh I would watch, the fox part not the design
Wish I could still watch vtubers

>>30514420
The only thing a woman needs to succeed is good opsec and being willing to say "i love you" every few minutes. That's literally it.

>>30516288
Inori never wanted to be GFE nor did she want to have a coombaiting model
>>30516720
>so sexy to cute?
Yes. She thinks it fits her personality better

>>30517199
Was GFE something mandated by Cyberlive? I remember Lumi being uncomfortable doing it and once she was out of Cyberlive she dropped it completely.

>>30516946
Sad

A reminder that you can be sexy, do sexy pandering, and still avoid GFE pandering. There are examples.

>>30501253

>>30508285
there are people from phase management here who saw the wonton spam whenever she was mentioned so that's probably why it's banned

>>30517316
Lumi dropped it earlier than that honestly, and given the horror stories told by all the old members, I wouldn't be surprised if Misaki pressured them into it. Inori said herself that she was handed her model with almost no input and was forced to maintain her fake accent (just like Hylo was). On more than a few streams Inori used assets to cover up her tits

>>30501077
women love to boast about their BF, especially to other men, like, "omg i'm dating the best person ever, he's better than you in every way" not that directly of course, but you get it. it's a good ego boost

>>30501077
wow she types exactly the same menhera messages as nene, rushia, matsuri

>>30517731
I have never seen a woman do that unless they are someone who fucking hates you and is a piece of shit
This is not normal girl behavior unless it's something zoomers and tiktok whores do

>>30501077
lmfao I remember this dumbass, she did a stream with her bf literally within 24 hours of the reveal and meltdown over people leaving

>>30517731
no, women boast about their men to other women, not to men
are you retarded

>>30501929
It’s dead because stupid bitches can’t resist the urge to bring up their boyfriends. If you want “character separation” so badly then start at the root of the issue - females not being able to shut up.

>>30517987
to men too

>>30517731
lol that’s almost exactly what Mumei used to post

>>30517987
well at least on my country

>>30512254
This is a place for ironic incels, not real incels

>>30503547
It IS a herculean task when you have no skills, no personality, and rent’s due.

>>30502542
>How do you create a fe environment and not a GFE one?
Step 1: become Selen

>>30517482
>twittertard almost understands the difference between boy and girl
beautiful

>>30501588
I think she forgot that the majority of her viewer base are weird ass loners who jack off to her voice, not her boyfriend's

>>30502449
Everyone's trying to fuck her husband instead.

>>30502542
By being unappealing

Wait, I got it. All she needs to do is extremely slutty voice ERP and she will win her audience back: I'm talking gagging on dildos, countdowns, wet slapping noises, the whole ordeal. Please forward my idea to her, I am positive that this would skyrocket her numbers.

>>30502542
Why do you want the attention of lonely men if you already have a boyfriend? Isn't his attention good enough?
Is it a money thing? He should provide for you too, he's a man after all.
Help me understand.

>>30518279
Does any vtuber actually know her audience?

>>30518367
It worked for Niji’s

>>30501077
Wow OP, a person is in distress and you can only look with your incel vision.
Shame... Shame...

>>30510561
Try working on an appliances and electronics store. Horny hags are pretty common.

>>30502340
>Almost all female streamers, in their attempts to optimize cash flow, end up teetering towards GFE without even realizing it... or delude themselves into thinking it's not the case

This was and is the current downfall of Ame, she probably knew a bit about the whole Gosling meme but just thought it was funny until she did the Tempus yab and lost 2-3k viewers and has been shilling membership, doing lewd thumbnails and shit like that since. She probably thought her audience were just bros watching for her gaming skills (lol) and got a grim realization that she was actually a GFE chubba. This is also probably why she seems a bit depressed now, like a robot becoming aware she's actually a sex bot.

>>30501077
What was she thinking lol, she really thought doubling down on the boyfriend yab was gonna work out

>>30518675
>sperging out
lol
lmao

>>30518542
>a person
No. VTubers are not people, they’re entertainment. Therefore, I don’t have to give a fuck about their feelings. Entertain me. This is what you dumb “entertainment” fags wanted.

>>30501253
You know that expression
>"X" wants to have their cake and eat it too
?
"X" = women. All ages, everywhere, at any point in history in any culture. Forever.
No other idiom, or perhaps proverb, better encapsulates females.
The only way to further reduce it is in the manner by which you've already described: they're retarded.

>>30518675
discord troon tl;dr "meme"

>>30518779
>>30518675
>>30518810
I don't understand who makes these, like do you imagine wasting an afternoon doing these edits lmao, and i don't even mean only the chubba related ones but political ones, other hobbies, etc. Seems all so weird.

>>30502542
> I don't necessarily want to foster fans that are in love with me
I'm sorry femanon, but that's a logical contradiction. Either you want fans or you don't.

>>30518857
Discord troons aren’t meant to be understood, they simply are.

>>30518430
Why don't you ask Ame?

>>30518857
Used to be just posting a stupid reaction image was enough then leftists got involved and everything became WORDS WORDS WORDS.

>>30518675
kek why so accurate

>>30501077
Whores get what they fucking deserve

>>30512703
Post tits whore

>>30518924
Because Ame isn't posting here so I want the answer from that anon instead.

>>30519078
>Because Ame isn't posting here
DYRB?

>>30519070
Please go outside and get some Vitamin D incel

>>30501253
she even had a (png? actual model? something) made just for him to put on stream

>>30519181
Yes

>words words words
Do retards really think this is how you make memes?

>>30518751
Ok ok, just dont shoot the little ones please. We undertand, your 2d anime girls are yours.

>>30519306
Sorry, federal agent, but I’ve no inclination to start a shooting or kill myself. Try another anon.

>>30501077
She must have thought her fans were cuck's like vwhorejo fans.

>>30519367

>>30506048
based hag enjoyer

>>30518857
"I will now draw you as the onions wojack!"
It's basically the last ditch effort to invalidate someone's opinion by making a strawman out of it, usually people who are clinically online on politic forums or communities make these.

>>30518857
truth hurts

>>30519283
>words words words
I think this only worked on a single format. At the very least I found the absurdist humor funny.

>>30520478
i just find the idea of someone sitting down and writing all these really funny, bias aside, even if i agree with the message its still pretty funny thinking about who makes them.

>>30502542
You won't believe the amount of cope people are willing to go through to throw any action a woman does under the lens of GFE. The reality is many lonely people are very delusional, not out of ill intent, but because this is genuinely all they know. The only thing you can do is be honest and upfront about your intentions, hope they can resolve their delusions for themselves, and be willing to ignore/bonk those who step too far out of line. If I had to choose one trait that distinguishes GFE from FE, it's exclusive attention to individuals. A real girlfriend will tune out everything else and listen exclusively to her partner, placing him or her on the pedestal so to speak. For a friendship experience, it's the opposite. It's you and the audience, and no individual deserves to take your attention away from others. It's not a very paypig-friendly mentality, but given time, effort, and exposure, you will find people who want to continue supporting you anyways.

>>30502376
Well yes. Why else would you care about stranger woman you don't know talking about their partner or even having one in-general otherwise?

>>30517339
>There are examples
Mind listing them then?