/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>30425931
Zero

>>30425989
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3phaXN_FjiE&t=4s

BRUH THE EN ALWAYS SAY THEY WANT TO LEARN JAPANESE AND THE VICE VERSA FOR JP BUT THEY NEVER DO, ONLY A CHAN HAS ACTUALLY IMPROVED HER ENGLISH

>>30425931
Literally none.

The whole "I want to learn JP" thing is just a talking point every EN chuuba does at some point, it's not real. If they actually wanted to learn JP, they would have learned it before joining.

>>30426270 (Me)
I mean, just to elaborate on this, look at Lui. Lui debuted **after** all of EN, decided she wanted to learn English, and has been making a lot of progress. Compare that to EN who have had years to do the same.

>>30425931
Going by the Telephone collab literally 0 with a capital Z.

Then she made it to the top and didn't need to Collab with her Senpai it was a business decision JAPS CLIP HER ALREADY and translate to Japanese

the moment that forever changed vtubing
gura will never be the same

>>30425931
To actually learn Japanese you have to read Tatsumoto's guide to Japanese and do what it says really closely. It's not like you can do it by playing fucking duolingo or shit like that. It doesn't work. You have to invest effort and time. Vtumors will never achieve any level of fluency.

>>30426633
this
also she's a w*men and they put less effort on things, so it's less likely she's ever gonna improve

>>30425931
You really think someone as lazy as Gura would seriously try to learn japanese when she barely has any interest in japanese culture? Besides, she's american. They believe there's no need to know anything but english

>>30426633
>Kiara exists

>>30426270
I wonder if we will ever have a talent that will have the gall to say at debut, "I WILL NEVER LEARN JAPANESE".

>>30426498
why did he do it?

>>30427430
>>30427430
>They believe there's no need to know anything but english
Well, there honestly isn't.

Most japanese have alteast a basic understanding of the english language and facilities accomodate English speaking tourists...

Even if you tried talking to a native in Japanese, they will insist on talking to you in English.

>>30425931
She should ask Ame for advice who happens to be an expert on self-improvement.

>>30426166
Marine, Korone, Azki, Towa, Chloe and Lui made a good effort but the first two seek to have dropped to completely for some reason

>>30425931
Stop beating around the bush, you know there is someone who is good at Japanese in Myth and she barely does any collab with JP members except for shilling cover songs or leeching JP viewers by inviting them to boring talk shows on her channel.

Even if Gura was JLPT-3 she’d never reveal it on stream because her kaigainiki find shork JP as cute as we find Miko’s Elite English.

>>30426498
Thanks doc for the daily moose.

>>30425931
I have a friend that had no interest in anything Japanese but due to a job he studied Japanese for a single year and now lives in Japan. Meanwhile I've been a weeb most of my life but all I know are meme words.

>>30427607
This guy only speaks English and has never left America, maybe not even his small hometown.

>>30427698
Marine tried for 2 weeks, she did not make a good effort.
Lui already knew English.
Chloe already knew English.

Honestly Pekora made the most progress.

>>30428021
I do only speak English, but ive traveled to several countries and have not once ever needed to learn thier native languages for anything.
Die mad about it

>>30427607
>Even if you tried talking to a native in Japanese, they will insist on talking to you in English.
Uh okay anon and you know this firsthand right? You're not just blindly believing what some lazy retard told you, right? Surely?

>>30425931
All Holowhores are lazy whores except Mori
Cope, mald, seethe, you know this is true based on her output of non-stream content

>>30426633
I thought I had ad blocker installed, why am I still getting ads?

>>30427444
Kiara put the work in long before she became a vtuber. She spent several hours a day streaming on NND to talk to JOPS - starting off by solely using google translate to interact with them before picking up enough of the basics to have simple conversations. Then she moved to Japan and got the rest down through immersion. Gura doesn't have the motivation for such methods.

mori the only one that can speak jp and its meh at best jp eng is pretty good

>>30427895
>we

>>30426166
Mel is making a push for it of late, apparently doing a weekly class with a tutor on top of doing her reps solo on her own time regularly.

>>30425931
the ENs view the JPs as lesser because they aren't american. thats why they'll never bother learning japanese. they only say they care as lipservice

>>30434215
>kiara
>ina
>baelz

>>30435138
Who don't they collab more with JP? Be the dedicated collab women in EN with JP

>>30426166
>A-chan
>Dont forget my Miko

>>30427444
The chicken actually did her reps

>>30427698
That list does Subaru dirty.
Her english is broken but she's still like, third best out of all the JPs (or 4th if you count A-chan) and she makes a point of practicing a lot on stream.

>>30435302
I do wonder if Subaru's improvements are what have encouraged Mel with her recent push, they have apparently been hanging out off-stream alot recently.

>>30426270
>they would have learned it before joining
Not necessarily. I don't see the need to put in the effort to learn a whole new language that's not even necessary for the job I'm applying for. Once you make it in though, that's when you should consider putting in the effort but we all know they rarely follow through.

>>30425931
she realized everyone else should actually learn English to collab with her

>>30434215
IRyS
Anya

>>30426322
Decent proportional of higher education in Asia knows conversational English that's why you get lots of ESL including me on this board. I started learning English from elementary school and still do ESL mistakes.
Lui probably had university education by the way she talks. So she has the knowledge and improves when she is in right environment. Can't improve shit if not engages with native speakers.
Asian languages are complete different system than English and European languages and I don't think there is mandatory Asian languages class in highschool in US. While in Japan they starts learning English in middle school.
It's totally different story on both side.

>>30428395
There's a difference between never needing to know their languages and your bold claim of
>Even if you tried talking to a native in Japanese, they will insist on talking to you in English
Can you absolutely get by in foreign countries without knowing their native languages? Absolutely. Will they insist on speaking with you in English despite you clearly making the effort to speak to them with their native tongue? Dubious at best.

I want to make it into StarsEN and I promise I won't be lying when I say one of my goals is to learn Japanese.

>>30425931
domo, same desu is the full extent of her japanese knowledge

>>30436271
>>Even if you tried talking to a native in Japanese, they will insist on talking to you in English
>Can you absolutely get by in foreign countries without knowing their native languages? Absolutely. Will they insist on speaking with you in English despite you clearly making the effort to speak to them with their native tongue? Dubious at best.
Depends on your language ability.
If it's easier to talk in English I'll prefer it. It's because for tourism it's important for them to understand so they can serve you. Not for you to understand them.