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The roster result for out /vtl/ team came out, see here: >>30042825 (Dead)
Music for the medals are also decided: >>30323043 (Cross-thread)
The next round would decide the music for the team anthem, see the suggestions here: https://rentry.org/team-vtwbg
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Last but not least, an anon stepped up and wanted to do a quick tourist's guide for the various nations of Vitubia! (>>29911443 (Dead) ) If you are up for it please submit a short text that introduce your nation by replying to this post. More details in the rentry below.
https://rentry.org/ziuog

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PLEASE KEEP ALL CONCEPTS ON THE CONCEPTS OF CHUUBANITE TO THIS CONCEPT CHAIN. Anons who do not wish to see chuubanite concepts should hide this post.

Current Concept: https://rentry.org/chuubanite (CIP)

Official Chuubanite Concept Video: https://youtu.be/V83JR2IoI8k (embed)

>Anchor post for Ocean, Sea, and Continent naming discussion.
Post your maps here so we can see them and talk about them!

Why did she do it, bros

>>30406999
Something even worse than the challenger explosion...

>>30406999
Did rentry being down for thirty minutes really mind break everyone that badly?

>>30407152
I imagined losing your Rosebuta physiology rentry and I got a depression...
all my stuff is backed up so I wasn't worried about that.

>>30406589
>What if your concept was not just a concept but a nation, devoted to your oshi and their will? Enter this concept where the fanbases and generals of /vt/ are reimagined as countries interacting with each other through means peaceful and militant alike!
...How long has the OP said this?

>>30407247
kek

>>30407242
Aw, I appreciate you caring for my work. But I’m smart enough to have backups. I actually have multiple backups across multiple devices, so it’ll be a hot day in /rose/ that I lose my work.

Good morning.
Why was everyone panicking?

>>30396694
Let it be known that this is inscribed on the backside of every scripture stele on the island.

>>30407533
Hello friend!
Rentry went down for half an hour, it was like the burning of Alexandria (for thirty minutes).

Please read my latest story, by the way!!
https://rentry.org/infinity-stories-deliverance

>>30407554
Yes... My plans to turn Moriji into a soulslike are progressing...
I need to do more speculative biology...

Era After anon here, I'm working on an overview of /uuu/ (later I might wrap that general and all the nations around the area up into a singular region dubbed the Schizo Northwest). Just to make sure, it's the /uuu/ chuubanite/the presence of Fauna which causes Saplings to evolve, right? Or is it a natural evolutionary trait only assisted by those things?

Would it be within reason for Infinity to have chuubanite / magic / fantasy animals that could live under the conditions of constant volcanic winter, for food? "Goatronies" being goats with fur like steel wool, incredibly hardy to the terrible conditions of the land...

>>30407619
>Rentry went down for half an hour
Oh no. That would've been devastating since I have not backed up every single one of my documents. I'll get to it
>Please read my latest story, by the way!!
>Opens up with; (Please read the admiral's lines in the voice of Victor Saltzpyre)
Oh boy. I can tell this will be a wild ride.

The medal goalhorn poll results are in! Check out the winners here: >>30323043
The next poll will be on selecting our entrance and victory anthems, so get your suggestions in now while you can!
In other news, >>30343595 suggested we cut the player name "Another fucking chuubanite CONCEPTS argument" down to just "CONCEPTS". Does anyone have any objections? If not, then this seems like a reasonable change to make.

>>30407722
To be more specific, the fauna chuubanite is what causes humans to turn into saplings.
Your stuff is always fun, looking forward to it.

>>30407625
Speculative biology, you say.

>>30407625
My "invading /morig/ is a bad idea" entry was essentially me thinking of the island as though it were a zone in a Souls game.

>>30407771
Hmm, the timeline is a bit weird there, cuz if the volcanic winter was just a couple hundred years, that's not really enough time for species to evolve around those conditions. You could have Goatronies that have just always lived on /inf/ and were kept alive by the Kronies during the long winter?

Question for Kronies: What are your desserts like?

>>30404326
Sounds like Hime wants some desserts made with modern tools. Would Luna-hime be interested in a gelatin-fruit parfait made with whipped cream and vanilla yogurt?

>>30407806
Thanks for the clarification! Should be done within the next couple of days, hopefully. I've gotten sick recently which put my writing process to a crawl, shit sucks.

>>30408178
Someday we will share mochi ice cream with Amia and Wasson. Someday.

>>30407908
Picrel is the path of my headcanon's Moriji soulslike. Starting in the ruins of Cocytus, fighting through the savannahs to the wasteland where Gehenna once stood, surviving the rainforest until you get to what remains of the Capital, memento, followed by the hike through the cloud forest, around the lakes, to the Rice Abbey. Then begins the arduous climb to the Fourth Lake and the magic village of Andorra, until you get to enter the endgame boss rush of the Underworld.
>>30407900
Oh, you might be into that, Rosebud. There's an issue with Moriji, where chitin and bones are made harder and stronger by the chuubanite imbuing together. This makes birds and insects too heavy to fly, resulting in a lack of pollination. Now, I could have all pollination be done by anemophily, but that's a bit boring. What kind of non-insect, non-bird creatures could pollinate plants, Rosebud? Any ideas? I had this dried up airborne jellyfish idea...

>>30408074
Noted, noted. You definitely have a point. Unless the Kronies magicked normal goats into goatronies, maybe? Then again I'm awful at writing magic systems and rituals, that's a can of wormronies.

>>30408990
I guess you'd have to figure out what hardy means, exactly... I mean, doesn't matter how hard you are, if volcanic ash kills all the plant life around, you're not surviving... Maybe the Kronies could have taught the native steel-wooled goatronies to eat cave mushrooms instead of the lichen they were used to?

>>30408109
>>30408109
Fruit jellies, fruits in syrup, and dried fruits. That's really all you get. Bread is almost always made into hardtack, something made the norm thanks to the Great Winter in Infinitum, so using bread for pastries is a novelty. You'll notice these are also mostly shelf stable or made from shelf stable ingredients, this is also a remnant of the times during the Winter.

Fruit jellies from Infinitum is made from gelatin from boiling collagen out of bones, ligaments, and skin from livestock. The geletin is then mixed with fruit juice tand boiled to make the jelly. Throw in your fruits as the jelly settle.

Fruits in syrup is quite simple. Sugar, water, maybe fruit juice. Fruit. Put it in a jar or it's canned in a factory. Dried fruits are just dried in the sun or by smoking, and coated in sugar before eating or before packaging in cans or jars.

>>30409128
That's a great idea, actually! Thank you, friend.

>>30407771
Goatronies are goats with Kronii's face

>>30409232
You're welcome anon, I like figuring those things out.

>>30409239
Don't say that!!

>>30408672
Fascinating. I’m interested in this jellyfish idea, are the lands of Moriji particularly windy?

>>30407426
Oh you cheeky little fuck!

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>>30408672
Didn't we already solve that by making the prominent species of birds bind chuubanite to their kidney stones, which prevented the harmful buildup of calcium in bones?

>>30409383
Oh, that's a good thing to think about... I believe jungles and rainforests have rather low winds, especially under the canopy. Those cover most of the island, especially the East. But the shrublands on the top of the mountains are much more open, and at a very high altitude, so I bet these would be very windy. I'm not sure about the sparse woodlands of the East coast. I guess airborne jellies would be as affected by wind as the real ones are by water currents, so dispersion would be a lot slower within the rain forests.
>>30409710
Yes, but that's one specific species. I already wrote down that they're one of the only species to use this physiological mechanism, so I can't very well say all the pollinating insects do it too, right? Retconning hurts my soul.

>>30409159
Do you have an environment to grow imported wheat at least? Acorn flour from /risu/ is also an option for biscuits. As for flour you should be able to engineer mills to make both all purpose flour and cake flour. If you have butter, even goat butter, then making biscuits is easy. Clockwork can even make hand-cranked mixers. You just need wheat to get started.

Also I found out how to make souls to eat. Soul cakes were a halloween tradition.

https://youtu.be/oZNsGGvmCrs

Do Deadbeat females have bone inside their mammaries?

>>30409856
Indeed, these jellyfish could be simply swept away by the wind, gently dangling their tendrils down and brushing against flowers to feed and pollinate.
Alternatively for the rain forests, you could have a version of these jellyfish that have perhaps evolved to hug trees and climb around them. Just a few thoughts.

>>30410082
>>30409856
Did somebody ordered 'weird obscure lore'?
http://thelivingsky.com/the-sky-is-alive/

>>30409974
We have wheat! It's just that for centuries we *only* made hardtack that it became the standard way of eating it. In the current era, nearly ~60% of flour is used to make hardtack biscuits. It's just that ingrained in the Kronies. ~30% goes in fresh bread or biscuits, with the rest going into things like cakes which only the rich and social-climbing elites partake in.

>it's down again

>>30409239
>>30409319
I feel like I could sketch that. Should I tho...

>>30409975
Like bags of bones...
kek
No, Deadbeats have the same skeletal structure as other humans. Deadbeat mammaries tend to be smaller though, in the A to C range, due to reduced fat and hydration. Unless she's a priestess, those gals can put on a lot more weight.
>>30410082
>literal tree huggers
As expected from the plant supremacist. That's a kino idea Rosebud, I think I'll definitely have "high wind" and "low wind" variants now. Probably red and blue, since the Elden Ring jelly fish are what gave me the idea in the first place.
>>30410286
Is this /meat/bro? If so, how the fuck do you always have such specifically relevant cool stuff to share. This page is full of good ideas, I definitely have to make them bioluminescent now, and have one extremely rare hot air ballon-sized species.

Other hoomans have you backed up all the stuff that aren't in the general archive yet?

>>30410494
>No
Darn. I was expecting some crunchy mammaries.
>how the fuck do you always have such specifically relevant cool stuff to share
I ask myself that question too.
I've read about these cryptids back in... 2010? 2009? It's been a long while. But it's there collecting dust in the back of my head.
>>30410394
https://youtu.be/QToRlvTxuqc

>>30410485
Yes

>>30406635
Due to rentry being down, here's my last story in case, God forbid, it stays down. Not properly formatted at this time.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C3MC45bxcMOA_ktz10XVgO3F-FSD_vzKKAHE-c2p3b8/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>30410338
How expensive is sugar? I know cream and butter can get pricey.

>>30410778
>Gura pfp
Traitor!

>>30410793
Kronies have sugarbeets in a decent supply. Ever since the Winter weakened we've been growing them again and processing sugar, so we have sugar in abundance.
>>30410867
hahahah
hoocha

>kronie rep is the dead dog guy

>>30410708
Well, the collagen having a lower hydration has some effects. They're a lot more perky than human breasts are supposed to be for one, and firmer. Not quite crunchy, but it would be a different mouthfeel. Shit, since the muscle is as tough a sinew, mammaries might end up being the only /meat/ that is edible besides the marrow and brain.
>>30410394
This time I'm ready.

>Rentry is down
I'm not even distraught.
As the saying goes; "Being /meat/ is suffering"

>>30410909
Then you should be able to invent sweet biscuits with enough butter. And if you have egg and powerful enough hand mixers you can make sweet puffs easy. Cakes before mixers was a labor-intensive treat due to how hard and fast you have to mix the frosting. If only you had a certain astronaut who can show you how to build a strong hand mixer.

>>30411127
>He didn't use the respite in pain to backup everything
anon...

>>30411164
Oooh! That's good to know! That's probably on the menu at many noblemen's kitchens, but hasn't gotten around to being in public bakeries yet.

>>30411127
Do you guys enjoy seeing your works destroyed?

>>30411329
Maybe seeing all your work getting destroyed because you didn't think of backing them up counts as self ryona

>>30411127
Capybara vs bread dogs: https://youtu.be/EwFNNQUDyX0

>>30411274
Either your nobles want to keep sweets for themselves or you need bread dog to teach you how to bake. Which that's probably what landed bread dog in prison.

Last thread's word cloud is looking a little funny...

>>30411589
>bread dog imprisoned for teaching peasants to make biscuits and sweet puffs
The modern day Prometheus...

>>30411168
I was too late. Was in the middle of reading some new rentries from last thread.
>>30411329
>>30411470
I don't know. Our chuubas have faced this multiple times.
Comma had her website banned, Akira was banned off youtube twice.
On one hand, it's like a sand mandala. Meticulously designed and crafted. Only to be destroyed in the end. A true test of patience and acceptance.
On the other, it's anti-meritocratic. Punishing someone for their efforts. Imagine losing your entire thesis writing and research findings from a corrupted disk.

>>30411658
ToT

>>30411658
Word cloud reveals his identity!

>>30411658
uuuoooohhhh

>>30411680
Would teaching peasants how to cook be a crime in /inf/?

It's back up again.

>>30413039
okay you guys, back your stuff up for real this time!

>>30413159
no

Finally named the areas of the Serene Republic. Here they are, with explanations.
No need to anchor, ill just include these in a rentry myself. A rentry i will have backups of.

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>Four coins archipelago
On the map the islands look like someone has emptied their pockets and there are coins and fluff on the floor.

Coppermark, Silvercrown, Goldflower: First two are named after currencies. Goldflower because gold + when i think of tropical islands flowers come to my mind.
Northreach: It is named that because it is the furthest reach of the republic to the north

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>Northern Territories
I couldnt come up with anything better. Its north, its a territory.

Lird's Wallet Island: Looks a bit like a coin purse from which the Four Coins archipelago has spilled out of.
Hatter's Island: A reference to hats. For full immersion, I want the area to have mercury in the form of cinnabar.
Northaven: The northernmost densely populated area of the republic. If someone was sailing away from pirates or meat raiders, arriving to the republic from the northwest, being within sight or Northaven would be the first point where they can consider themselves 100% safe and under protection by the republic. Raiders could reasonably have a chance of successfully raiding the Four Coins Archipelago settlements, or even the Lird's Wallet Island, but Northaven is fortified and highly populated enough to be virtually impervious from attacks from anything short of a national army. Thus, its north + its safe = Northaven.
Mahjan's Bay: Reference to Mahjong
Isle of Hags: Hags play mahjong here

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>Home Island
The main island. Its where most of the population resides.

Aggay Gate: The City of Aggaya is located there. The area functions as a "gate" to the Heartflow.
Aggay Fields: The hills and farmland next to Aggaya. Location of the estates of many middling merchants.
Baker's Bay: Reference to breadbaking.
Cape Flow: Reference to Flow
Idelshire: The least populated area of the home island, and the only place on the home island where large forests remain. In the oldentimes, dead were buried here in swamps. Its the place where dead wallets go to rest.
Heartflow: The Home Island, with its rivers, vaguely resembles an anatomical heart. The strait east of the Home Island is the one through which the vast majority of the trade travels through, so the area is in a sense "the heart of the serene republic", through which the lifeblood (trade, resources) of the republic flows. Thus, Heartflow.
Gambler's Way: The less traveled western strait. Its just a cool sounding name + a reference to betting. Also, I like the fact that if you travel from the north to south, it can be said that you are "taking the Gambler's Way to the Ropeknot" or "taking the Gambler's Way to the Moonwaters".

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>Southern Territories
They are territories, they are south, southern territories.

Ropeknot Peninsula: The shape of the peninsula reminds me of a knot in a rope. Referenced above in Gambler's Way.
Ropemaker's Bay: Reference to ropes. And it fits next to the Ropeknot Peninsula.
Southaven: The same as Northaven but to the south. Southaven is the southernmost densely populated and fortified location of the republic.
Lover's Strait: Reference to romance.
Heartlight Isles: Islands at the mouth of the Heartflow. One of them has an important lighthouse on it. Thus, Heartlight.
Moonwaters: Reference to mooning. Referenced above in Gambler's Way.

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>Heartflow Coast
Couldnt come up with anything better. Its the coast next to the Heartflow.

Sapphire Hills: There are sapphire mines in the area, and the area is full of hills.
Copperflow: The area is also full of copper mines. There's a river through which copper is transported to the Heartflow.
Copperflow Sound: Its a sound next to the Copperflow Area.
Milkmerchant's Coast: Reference to free milk and the boobaboard (RIP), but it is also the coast next to which milkships from /infinity/ would travel to the republic.
Heartbight: Its a large bight next to the Heartflow.
Daybreak Mountains: There is a small mountain chain there, on the /ahoy/ side. Could be argued not tall enough to be proper mountains but the Serene Republic is otherwise very flat. To them, the hills are mountains. As the sun rises from the east, the citizens of the Serene Republic (well, those living in the Heartflow Coast) would first see the light of dawn every morning above the mountain peaks. Thus, Daybreak Mountains.
Also, as the area is rich in copper, and copper is orange, and the rising and setting suns are also sort of orange, it fits.

>>30414115
Beautiful map anon, nice use of tonemapping, that has certain neat aesthetic. You're way better at coming up with names than me.

>>30413159
I'm taking nap-nap, later

>>30406635
Don't know where to archive. The stories mostly concern nasfaqg, but these ships and their building are fundamentally connected to /risu/. If a Tri-fleet S2 is coming, I'd personally see these best treated as unofficial prequels to that, assuming the ships make it and they are accepted.
>>30367570
Remember the ship deal? I finally could get it done. I had to drop writing a short story for each ship, but I have included some lore for all of them in the report.
Also, Im happy i could write about some of the superstitious and ceremonial aspects of the Serene Republic.

https://rentry.org/gfh9e

I recall Moriji agreeing to selling the cannons to the company so they could put them on the ship for /risu/, but if this is no longer the case, then the cannons can also come from the Serene Republic or Infinitum whichever is more affordable

Also, I hope I didnt fuck up the timeline. These particular ships, to my understanding, were meant to be constructed for the future /risu/ expeditions, and not the trifleet one. Thus, their construction began shortly after the Tri-fleet was completed.

>>30414278
It took me 4 days of pain to come up with them. A few friends helped me come up with some names so its not all me.

>>30406635
>>30406709
>>30406589
I don't know where to reply this, but we should probably add a threadly reminder for people to BACK UP THEIR WORKS so we dont lose our lore. I've got all of mine saved already, and I have backed up some of the nasfaqg ones too. I'll try to back up others but I cant promise anything.

Also, OHAYO vtwbg. How are your projects coming along?

>>30414994
Moriji is happy to sell a couple cannons to yall for that ship! Iirc, the number involved is pretty small, so it's no biggie.

why did we stop including new bread links at the end of our threads?

>>30415203
Well... How can people post them is the thread died before a link can be posted.

>>30415203
that only happens when the bake bakes before the thread dies.

Well, it seems my fascination hasn't ended in disaster judging by the start of the thread. Though my input is limited due to the sheer volume of "Stuff" and not wanting to impede on anyone's work.

>>30414994
>Also, OHAYO vtwbg. How are your projects coming along?
I continue to delve deeper into the "Lore" in an effort to piece together something workable. So far I have already had to manage one stroke with Chuubanite, I fear there will be more.

>>30415850
>outsider reads chuubanite lore
>had a stroke
Many such cases

>>30407554
couldn't help myself, i took the liberty of adding one of the mora i missed, should probably fix that in the format of the initial writing, but i'm tired

>>30415850
>So far I have already had to manage one stroke with Chuubanite
Understandable. Was it the old wall of text or the newer more streamlined but still somewhat daunting version? If you have any questions I'd be happy to vulgarize the concepts for you.

>>30415964
It's, it's beautiful anon. Now I definitely have to write lore about the steles dotting the landscape of Moriji... Man, the moss looks good too, this is awesome.

>>30376005
>>30375584
not /meat/bro either, my understanding of it is that the lunatio is somewhat correct and the deadbeat is somewhat wrong. i'm not sure where the idea that catalognauts are just normal humans with a bunch of chuubanite in them came about, or that it's just a normal human that can survive that much chuubanite, but i'm fairly certain it's not the case. i've talked with /meat/bro about it a few times, and as i understand it, catalognauts have more in common with transubstantiation than anything else, but it's also more than even that. basically, a catalognaut has to be the almost perfect physical and conceptual representation of a core concept associated with the chuubanite in question. whether or not they have a lot of chuubanite in them might play a role in some of the things they can do and is probably important for the more extreme things like acting like living chuubanite, but even if a normal person could survive it, they wouldn't be a catalognaut just from having a lot of chuubanite in their body.
basically, they act like chuubanite in that they are linked to the conceptual realm, which gives them (or their consciousness maybe) access to the catalog. they still need to know how chuubanite works, but they have a variety of advantages over normal people that makes it easier for them in a few ways. i don't feel confident speaking on /meat/bro's behalf, especially since i just woke up, but in my addlepated state, i think this is more or less how it works. /meat/bro, correct me on all of this.
>>30415283
>>30415285
i know this, however, i don't see why it would be that difficult unless we didn't realize the thread was at bump limit, and we are scrambling to find a new bread maker. make the bread a bit early, just a bit before the thread reaches page 10, and it should be easy enough to make sure all our threads are interlinked.

>>30416206
Did some archive digging, this is the word of /meat/bro on the matter:
>>28523114
>Yup! A catalognaut mage wouldnt need a fancy staff with a chunk of chuubanite like a regular mage because theyre practically chuubanite in flesh form.
This, combined with the mention of catalognauts being "chuubanite users" later in the post gave me the impression that catalognauts do use chuubanite, but instead of having it on instruments like a staff, it is located within them. I can see how you could read "chuubanite in flesh form" and come to your interpretation, though. Let's see if /meat/bro comes by to clarify. I feel like since we established that the link between Vitubia and the Heavenly Realm is vitubium, it would make sense if it was present in the concept of catalognauts.
I agree that just having a lot of chuubanite doesn't make you a catalognaut and it's somewhat more exclusive than that, though. I might say that because the catalognaut is a representation of the core concept, is why he can function with the chuubanite like he does.

>>30416206
The baker was busy last bread and nobody stepped up. An intern obviously baked this one hastily, there's no subject and the anchors have weird bits baked into them again.

>>30416604
That makes sense

>>30416562
I might say that because the catalognaut is a representation of the core concept, is why he can function with the chuubanite like he does.
ya, that's basically what i am saying. just having a lot of chuubanite in your body wouldn't let you access the conceptual realm, or the catalog. you'd need to take the form of a strong concept just to keep yourself from being destroyed. for catalognauts to make sense, it would require the perfect conditions on both the physical, and the conceptual realms to justify, so catalognauts differ from normal people with chuubanite poisoning in that they are more "like chuubanite" essentially.
i agreed with you that some chuubanite would be necessary for the abilities, but that is not what a catalognaut is. you could have a rather weak catalognaut with minimal chuubanite in them and they would still be a catalognaut, and you could have a normal person with an excess of chuubanite in them, and all they'd get from it would be death. hell, if my interpretation is correct, even if they survived in the physical realm, they would definitely lose their mind if they didn't have something to hold onto on the other side.
the amount of chuubanite they have is irrelevant, what matters is the role they are capable of fulfilling due to, for lack of a better term, the design or structure of the catalognaut as represented in both the physical and conceptual realms. they practically need to be a natural transubstantiation of a concept. that is, at least, according to my interpretation of what /meat/bro said. we should wait for him to correct us, but it makes so much sense to me for it to be like this.

>>30416562
>I might say that because the catalognaut is a representation of the core concept, is why he can function with the chuubanite like he does.
ya, that's basically what i am saying. just having a lot of chuubanite in your body wouldn't let you access the conceptual realm, or the catalog. you'd need to take the form of a strong concept just to keep yourself from being destroyed. for catalognauts to make sense, it would require the perfect conditions on both the physical, and the conceptual realms to justify, so catalognauts differ from normal people with chuubanite poisoning in that they are more "like chuubanite" essentially.
i agreed with you that some chuubanite would be necessary for the abilities, but that is not what a catalognaut is. you could have a rather weak catalognaut with minimal chuubanite in them and they would still be a catalognaut, and you could have a normal person with an excess of chuubanite in them, and all they'd get from it would be death. hell, if my interpretation is correct, even if they survived in the physical realm, they would definitely lose their mind if they didn't have something to hold onto on the other side.
the amount of chuubanite they have is irrelevant, what matters is the role they are capable of fulfilling due to, for lack of a better term, the design or structure of the catalognaut as represented in both the physical and conceptual realms. they practically need to be a natural transubstantiation of a concept. that is, at least, according to my interpretation of what /meat/bro said. we should wait for him to correct us, but it makes so much sense to me for it to be like this.

Yo. I'm here now. I'll be reading your concerns and questions.

>>30417413
I see, then I think we're in agreement, but I didn't consider a catalognaut who doesn't make use of his abilities a catalognaut, I would have called that a "potential catalognaut", or a "catalognaut candidate". Basically I was looking at catalognaut as a profession instead of an intrinsic property as you do.
>>30417518
Ah, perfect timing!

>>30417529
>>30417518
hello /meat/bro! was it you who said a catalognaut didn't have to do anything, but were often useful in a variety of fields such as spying and communication etc.? i remember there were two people that definitely weren't you, one of whom said something like "when you are a catalognaut and you decide to be a farmer" and the other who said something like "catalognauts would have fewer opportunities because they can only do these jobs". i am pretty sure you said they could be anything multiple times, but if i am misinterpreting you please correct me.

>>30417692
Maybe that anon implied that if you were one of the handful that had the capability to be a catalognaut, your nation government might want to force you to do catalognaut duties instead of wasting your potential being a farmer.

>>30417965
that would make more sense from where i am coming from, but if being a catalognaut is a profession that requires you to be given chuubanite to maintain your status as a catalognaut and not an intrinsic property, then you likely wouldn't have any catalognauts outside of the professions they specialize in at all. plus, i remember interpreting them as not trying to imply that governments would force you to be a catalognaut, and that it was a natural part of being a catalognaut even in less authoritarian systems but i may have misinterpreted or misremembered. /meat/bro is here now so he can clarify the whole thing again.

>>30415987
Mostly its definitions are a bit . . . loose? When applying mechanics to something having something a bit harder to work with makes things easier. Hard to apply numbers to "It just worksism"

Though, is Chuubanite "Personal" or is it "National?" I kept getting a bit of back and forth on it.

With a bit on finagaling, I could probably draft something up, it'd be light, though I could probably just do something vaguely Japanese related and I'm 95% sure it'd sing. If Ryutubers was out I'd just see about tearing that thing up though.

>>30418411
Ah, yeah, that's basically by design. The preference while coming up with the system was to restrict future writers as little as possible, so the system has rules, but few constraints. This is fundamentally designed as a writing project rather than a game, though we would like to get games in there too, cuz fun things are fun.
If I interpret your question correctly, I'd say chuubanite is personal, in that how individuals interact with it varies on a person-to-person basis even within a nation. Chuubanite usually has an affinity towards a specific concept which often correlates with a nation.
So, to give an example, you could have the fire nation, and odds are this nation has fire-type chuubanite. The people of this nation may use fire-type chuubanite in all sorts of ways and quantities. Mind you, there isn't much stopping someone from the fire nation from moving to the water nation and starting to use water nation magic, besides unfamiliarity with it.
There are also some nations with multiple types of chuubanite. I can give some examples of nations' chuubanites if that would be useful.
>googling ryutubers
kek

>>30375584
>different chuubanite alignments can have multiple effects and that they can be combined together with differently aligned chuubanites of similar concept, if this is still applied then how would that look in action for a catalognaut
>would this only be to the extent of what the catalognaut knew about their own chuubanite
The keyword is 'faith' or 'belief' in their oshii. Catalognauts are not born with a blank wildcard chuubanite, their natural affinity is based on the environment. Born somewhere near to Mt Mori, it's obvious which ones will be chosen. If a Catalognaut is presented with two chuubanites of similar concept, priority goes to which Chuuba or concept their faith lies. Present a KFP with a Kiara chuubanite and a Tomoshika chuubanite. Though both are fire-based, Kiara's will be activated.
>would a catalognaut need to do certain rituals to refill their reserve of heavenly energy
No extensive rituals needed. As long as their belief in their chuuba is strong they receive energy from the Catalog like a rechargeable battery or a plant photosynthesising.
>>30376005
>they have a lot of chuubanite in or with them, in quantities big enough that it'd be harmful to most people
>their bodies and weapons don't act like chuubanite
Recall Nasfaqronie's lecture on what constitutes as chuubanite. Now imagine the entire physical body hosting magic quanta. Tissue cells, blood cells, blood plasma, nail keratin, etc.
>based on the assumption their powers come from chuubanite there would have to be some mechanism for it to be replenished. It would be plausible that the catalognaut can simply absorb chuubanite from the environment passively
Completely bypassed environment. Like a robot that's always connected to the cloud, these people are connected to the immaterial realm, the Catalog. Straight from the tap.
>catalognaut would need to have knowledge of all of them
It depends on the individual. Multi-oshis (polytheistic/secular) people might be able to do it. But not recommended. Medieval physicians had a word for this; humor imbalance.
>>30416206
>basically, they act like chuubanite in that they are linked to the conceptual realm, which gives them (or their consciousness maybe) access to the catalog
>they still need to know how chuubanite works
> i think this is more or less how it works. /meat/bro, correct me on all of this
Yeah you got it right. Just missing this info;
>transubstantiation
>catalognaut has to be the almost perfect physical and conceptual representation of a core concept associated with the chuubanite
This is an important factor but not mandatory. Inspired from Eastern mysticism like qi cultivation and enlightenment. The stronger your faith and utilisation of Chuubanite is, the more you mutate into looking like your oshi. The closer the physical body represents the concept and the chuuba, the more powerful they are. With 1:1 transubstantiation being the 'Level 99 Golden Core Qi Supreme God Wizard'. In Layman's, the most powerful wizards in /mep/, regardless of sex, are all snobby Reine cosplayers that go 'mep'. Yes, /become/ is a serious theme in this universe. Pomufication and Lamification are not jokes anymore.
>>30417529
>>30417692
>I would have called that a "potential catalognaut", or a "catalognaut candidate"
>I was looking at catalognaut as a profession
>didn't have to do anything, but were often useful in a variety of fields such as spying and communication
> i am pretty sure you said they could be anything multiple times, but if i am misinterpreting you please correct me
Yeah I said those. It depends on how the state views these people.
- Some would give them freedom to be whatever they want like any regular people, just with a unique talent. They could find specific niches in the economy to employ their abilities. Healers, farmers, cooks, entertainers etc.
- Some would provide benefits for them to employ in high risk jobs such as adventuring, military, intelligence, diplomacy, or esoteric involvement. Jobs such as being the /vt/ equivalent of Mentats or as blue collar living transmitters, operatives protecting diplomats, etc.
- Some would go as far as implementing mandatory conscription and training, can't let such a gift go to waste.
As for /meat/ I think our policy is affirmative action because of the reliance on magic and rituals.
I am now accepting more questions.

>>30418411
One word, concept. /meat/ talks about multiple chuubas but since their whole theme and topic surrounds ryona and gore, topics that involve suffering, the concept gets extended to accelerating the cycle of life birth, and death. At least that's what I remember. /risu/ the thread is very simple, so OGsuner just extended the concept of Risu being a squirrel to an effect that accelerates the growth of plants, also that it allows specific trees to produce gems that can be used to cast magic, since Risu has a witch costume, squrriels like caching objects and he has terraria autism.

>>30418411
>personal/national
it's about the thread concept. the nation represents the thread culture, while the chuubanite represents the topic. there are a variety of rules that can allow people to use it in a bunch of different ways. that comes down to technology. it's not that every individual has their own unique use of chuubanite, but every thread, and by extension, every nation has it's own unique chuubanite that can be used like a sort of technology.
>>30418763
>accelerating the cycle of life birth, and death
the cycle of life includes and transcends birth, and death, as well as suffering and rebirth.
>also that it allows specific trees to produce gems that can be used to cast magic
the gems can come from anywhere, it's what they do with it that allows it to cast magic. the magic is a simple application of a complex interaction of chuubanite that /risu/ witches almost certainly don't bother to learn about before they use their magic.

>>30418749
>The closer the physical body represents the concept and the chuuba, the more powerful
So how does that work for threads/chuubanite where the concept isn't really chuuba related at all, like nasfaq?

>>30419008
Physically depends on the patron/heritage deity, everything else from the concept.
Nasfaqronies would still have the blue hair and narcissism, but will opt for looking and behaving like a Venetian doge instead of 'gwak'-ing and wearing clocks and robes.

>>30418749
Thanks for the clarifications, /meat/bro. Hmm... Could it be that catalognaut share some characteristics with the jannies? They're the only other Vitubian entities we have that have some kind of direct link to the Heavenly Realm like that. To use nasfaqronie terms, they'd partly exist in the Vitium Field?
>The stronger your faith and utilisation of Chuubanite is, the more you mutate into looking like your oshi.
I kinda don't like that cuz it limits character designs kek. But you did say it's not mandatory.
To formalize the natural affinity thing a bit, would it be fair to say this natural affinity will be aligned with whatever chuubanite it was exposed to the most?
Say you had a baby growing in a tube where you pumped X-type chuubanite, if the baby ended up being a catalognaut, its natural affinity would be towards X-type chuubanite?

>>30419008
One of the classic /nasfaqg/ observations is that the higher you are on the leaderboard, the more you behave like a hag: napping, playing mahjong, playing bridge, back pains, several anons were knitting for some reason. nashags are no joke.
So, your body would likely rapidly age in appearance, but not necessarily in ability. Then again, it doesn't happen to everyone, some people take a drastically different path.

>>30419157
>would it be fair to say this natural affinity will be aligned with whatever chuubanite it was exposed to the most
>if the baby ended up being a catalognaut, its natural affinity would be towards X-type chuubanite
Yes, like Deadbeat anon said it. Lamarckian exposure.
If X-chuubanite person emigrates and lives in a place in a place with Y-chuubanite radiation, their affinity will not change as long as they do not convert their faith.

>>30419226
>when your strongest PMC super soldier is a 24 years old grandma

>>30419257
Gotcha, checks out. Maybe we should be archiving all this stuff...

>>30419008
>>30419135
i'd say also that it might be about the individual catalognaut's connection to a concept, and it's child-concepts. nations wouldn't have it, and even if they did, there could still be a personification of that concept that they could attach to. /meat/'s concept isn't exclusively comma, yet we have a priest so similar to her that she is a catalognaut. we could have catalognauts of any other chuuba we want, too, and it doesn't matter if the chuuba is the perfect, most pure representation of the concept because that is not the concept the catalognaut is specifically representing.
>>30419381
we are. sort of.

Rep does it mean I can pull the shelved winged people concept back out?

>>30419368
The alternative I dare not to speak of is crossdressing. Which way, NASFAQ man?

>>30419381
Tfw I should be writing all of this in the proposal doc
Ehhhh fuggit
>>30419406
A /meat/ronie catalognaut. Has blue hair and the cold face. But she just rots everything she touches.

>>30418749
nta
>If a Catalognaut is presented with two chuubanites of similar concept, priority goes to which Chuuba or concept their faith lies. Present a KFP with a Kiara chuubanite and a Tomoshika chuubanite.
So, what this would mean is that a catalognaut is in a closer connection with a certain affinity of chuubanite, to the point where their body rejects other types and their magic.
I'm assuming that catalognauts can still use chuubanite of other types, but only externally. A catalognaut of numbers can activate an indie chuuba chuubanite glyph.

>...Catalog like a rechargeable battery or a plant photosynthesising.
>Completely bypassed environment. Like a robot that's always connected to the cloud, these people are connected to the immaterial realm, the Catalog. Straight from the tap.
You could think of Catalognauts as having presence in the Vitium field. This sort of naturally comes with
>Now imagine the entire physical body hosting magic quanta.
due to magic quanta being in effect waves and ripples in the Vitium Field. These waves and ripples exist everywhere in the Vitium Field, the only adaptation a Catalognaut would need for storing them is for their body to be able to bond to them.
Interesting side effect of the catalognaut storing magic quanta in their bodies would be that the Catalognauts themselves radiate energy into their environment. If magical radiation has the ability to cause electrical interference, then this would also mean that by extension, the mere presence of a Catalognaut also causes electrical interference. The more powerful the Catalognaut, the more powerful the interference.

There are other implications. If a Catalognaut is in conenction with the Vitium Field, it would be reasonable for a Catalognaut to be able to sense things in the field. A Catalognaut would sense another Catalognaut nearby, and if they are sensitive enough, they may even be able to decipher their affinity before even seeing them.

A Catalognaut could feel the presence of a deity, or a Vitium Entity (like mechaffyna, i suppose), whereas a mundane normal person would not.

Here I'd like to re-introduce the concept of Bridge Entities, creatures that are not of the Physical World, are not exclusively of the Vitium Field, but have an active presence in both. Jannies fit the bill, as do Catalognauts. They could both be called "Bridge Entitites", referring to their ability to "Bridge the gap" between the Vitium Field and the physical world. See image.
https://files.catbox.moe/wfgn3g.png

>catalognaut has to be the almost perfect physical and conceptual representation of a core concept associated with the chuubanite
I personally see it going the other way. A Catalognaut will not be a perfect representaation of their concept, but the fact that they are a catalognaut will inevitably change them to become that. The process is not voluntary, you slowly /become/ whether you like it or not, at best you can slow the process down.

>>30419135
>Nasfaqronies would still have the blue hair and narcissism
Do keep in mind not all Nasfaqronies are Catalognauts.

>>30419157
>To use nasfaqronie terms, they'd partly exist in the Vitium Field?
EVERYTHING partially exists in the field, but some entities are more or less exclusive about it, and some entities exist in the field more than others. See pic above for how I think it would work.

>>30419226
>Nashags are no joke.
Funny you mention that, I just woke up from a midday nap.

>>30419777
>Interesting side effect of the catalognaut storing magic quanta in their bodies would be that the Catalognauts themselves radiate energy into their environment. If magical radiation has the ability to cause electrical interference, then this would also mean that by extension, the mere presence of a Catalognaut also causes electrical interference. The more powerful the Catalognaut, the more powerful the interference.
That's funny, I theorized... God, over a month ago, I guess... That individuals carrying large amounts of chuubanite would have this effect on electronics. I guess such individuals could be retconned as catalognauts under this proposal.

>>30420037
It doesnt have to be retconned tho
What if it's a regular human with plenty of chuubanite modifications, like tattoos and artifacts

>>30419777
>>30406866
have you posted your other works to the chuubanite rentry? i have been trying to archive them, myself, but now that they have the other chuubanite rentry in the post it's less convenient to add stuff to it.

>>30419777
>The process is not voluntary, you slowly /become/ whether you like it or not
i don't much like this interpretation. what determines whether or not someone becomes a catalognaut if not how perfectly they represent a concept? this is supposed to be pretty rare, and that is a great way to reduce the number of them, but if becoming a representation of a concept is a symptom and not a cause, whatever makes someone a catalognaut is necessarily less difficult because any reasonable condition you could think about can't be exclusive to them being in those conditions because either way, they will find themselves in those conditions one way or another.

>>30419777 (me)
>A Catalognaut will not be a perfect representation of their concept, but the fact that they are a catalognaut will inevitably change them to become that
*A Catalognaut does not start out as the perfect representation of their concept, but the fact that they are a Catalognaut will inevitably change them to become that.

proofread your posts folks

>>30419157
>Spoiler
to /become/ is not only physical. The way I would see it is that the physical transformation is the very last thing that happens, the first steps of the process are psychological and spiritual.
Do keep in mind the speed of the process also depends on how potent the Catalognaut is, and even with the most powerful ones it can take decades.

>>30420037
They could be, or at least as "potential" Catalognauts. That or >>30420110

A Catalognaut can only occur naturally, but anyone can make a guy with a ton of chuubanite in their bodies.

>On the topic of a Catalognaut's affinity and how it would interact with the surrounding chuubanite if the Catalognaut were to travel outside their birthland.
The way it would work in my understanding, if the Catalognauts are directly connected with the Vitium Field and are thus in a sense avatars of concepts, is that the Catalognaut's affinity is prioritized higher than chuubanite's is.
A Catalognaut would by their presence affect chuubanite around them, but the chuubanite around them may not necessarily affect them.

>>30420131
I replied all of my Magic Quanta autism to the anchor a few days ago and I hope someone archived them.

>>30420321
How I would fix this is that becoming a Catalognaut is not something that can be chosen. You either are from birth a potential catalognaut or you never will be one. A Catalognaut is born with their strong connection to the Vitium Field.
The condition may or may not be hereditary.

>>30420418
Not hereditary please, we're actually getting too midichlorian now kek.

Gm!!!! Another day another slay!!!!!!

>>30420472
Gutten morgen dragoon!

>>30420418
Best if the condition isn't hereditary, it'll leads to a boom of Catalognaut lineages and thus increase their number massively. Make them as random heroes, to also make using them as mere tools for nations more difficult.

>>30420513
Also keeps it a bit more Heavenly, if the individuals are blessed randomly instead of genetically.

>>30420464
>>30420513
I think that should be left vague without an in-universe answer. May or may not, but we know that there arent lineages of catalognauts, nor are there massive amounts of them in general.

>>30420418
>How I would fix this is that becoming a Catalognaut is not something that can be chosen
ya, that was already the case. perfect conditions on both the physical and conceptual realms. what? did you think any average roleplayer could become a catalognaut? it wasn't even hereditary; it was one of those "planets align" nonsensical conditions where every little thing had to be perfect. as i said, any condition you make will just make things less exclusive. better to keep it as it was by having transubstantiation be a condition rather than a symptom imo.

>>30419777
>I'm assuming that catalognauts can still use chuubanite of other types, but only externally
Yes. An X-affinity user can use tools that have Y and Z in its mechanism. They just cannot naturally activate and use them.
>Interesting side effect of the catalognaut storing magic quanta in their bodies would be that the Catalognauts themselves radiate energy into their environment
>If a Catalognaut is in conenction with the Vitium Field, it would be reasonable for a Catalognaut to be able to sense things in the field. A Catalognaut would sense another Catalognaut nearby
Exactly! It's how they are able to become organic transmitters and receivers to execute psychic communication. To travel into the Catalog. If your theory is right, Chuubanite weapons would also become more powerful in their vicinity.
>their ability to "Bridge the gap" between the Vitium Field and the physical world
Interesting. In my mind I see them more as a tap or an outlet.
>See image
Huh. Wouldnt Jannies be higher since they have limited spatial-relativity control (sending entire countries into a pocket dimension jail)
>not all Nasfaqronies are Catalognauts
It's a thought experiment
>The process is not voluntary, you slowly /become/ whether you like it or not
>>30420321
I think it's best to give the users agency at controlling the process. What use is becoming powerful if you have to sacrifice your ego and personality to behave like your oshi.
>>30420464
>>30420513
>>30420533
>>30420549
Yes. No hereditary.
The dumbest, and arguably easiest with tons of handwaving, way of doing it is like Protodermis from Bionicle. Will you become a powerful hero or die? It's up to fate

>>30420559
I personally think we shouldn't have any conditions. It just happens without a clear explanation, with the transubstantiation being a symptom or a sign. For some reason someone just is born with a deep connection with the heavenly.

>>30420631
I kinda feel like we could remove the "faith" aspect entirely and have it just be a person who can tap the Heavenly realm via a specific concept. Faith seems a bit too nebulous and subjective to fit in with our relatively hard-magic system, and I feel like this works just as well without it.
Wouldn't it be cool to have catalognauts who have forsaken their oshi and use their power for evil?

I think the best way to scientifically explain how Catalognauts are conceived is the Boltzmann's Brain and Chaos Theory.
Out of nowhere, with extremely heavy RNG, the Heavenly Realm just decided some souls would be able to pick up their transmissions.

>>30420720
>Wouldn't it be cool to have catalognauts who have forsaken their oshi and use their power for evil
That's just /#/

>>30420784
No, I mean for example Kronie catalognaut who decides to abandon the worship of the Kronissiah. They'd still be a catalognaut with a kronii-chuubanite affinity, if I understand correctly.

>>30420631
a bit too magical for my tastes. if it can't be explained, it can't be justified, and if it can't be justified i can't justify using it. nobody iu needs to know how it works, many of the conditions are already fairly esoteric, and yes, as >>30420749 said, chaos theory definitely applies, but the conceptual realm doesn't just "decide" some people are able to pick up transmissions for no reason.

>>30420720
faith seems nebulous because it's the wrong word. devotion and belief might clear some things up a bit. keep in mind we are dealing with a realm of concepts, the strength of your conviction is relevant.

>>30420852
>Kronie catalognaut who decides to abandon the worship of the Kronissiah. They'd still be a catalognaut with a kronii-chuubanite affinity
Ehehehehe. Please delete your post.
Because you're close to spoil something I've been writing.

>>30420908 (Me)
Anon... that was a joke...
Don't take it too personal

>>30420908
gomen gomen
>>30420899
Still seems nebulous to me... But anything I can't put numbers on seems nebulous to me.
>>30420966
Kek I know the feeling of someone coming too close to the truth... I'll be expecting whatever you're cooking up.

>>30420966
>>30420908
Lemme guess... Takeus story?

>>30420564
>Wouldnt Jannies be higher since they have limited spatial-relativity control
i think it's the scale of their influence, not their power level. jannies are bound to a realm, they can send people to different realms but they do not exist exclusively in the conceptual realm, nor are they exclusively in the physical one.

>>30420564
>If your theory is right, Chuubanite weapons would also become more powerful in their vicinity.
At least weapons of the correct affinity I suppose.

>Interesting. In my mind I see them more as a tap or an outlet.
That's a semantics difference. The effect is the same.
A tap has to be connected to a tank, and an outlet to a wire.

>Huh. Wouldnt Jannies be higher since they have limited spatial-relativity control (sending entire countries into a pocket dimension jail)
Its not a power ranking, but a spectrum of how exclusively you are connected to the Vitium Field or the Physical Realm. A Janny should be somewhere in the middle, as they can have a powerful effect on both, but cannot travel the Superreality to its fullest (which a concept can do), as Jannies are tied to a handful of physical realm "islands".
A Janny is of course from the perspective of a normal human or a catalognaut an incredibly powerful entity, but they are only moderately less rooted in the physical than Jannies are.

>>30420858
The mechanic is already explained by the connection, as is the transubstantiation symptoms. The only thing unexplained is why the connection forms, and this >>30420749 works decently well. The very nature of the Vitium Field/Conceptual Realm may be random, meaning that random freak events like the formation of a Catalognaut's connection sometimes just randomly happens for no reason, and this is justifiable. Our own universe works to certain extent in very unpredictable and "random" ways, there is no reason as to why the setting wouldn't either.

You are right though, the Vitium Field/Conceptual Realm has no "Will" or "intent" of its own, even if its entities may.

>>30420858
Maybe have it like the "origin" from Kara no Kyoukai? Every soul is born from a concept in the first place, which doesn't have much of an effect unless it is awakened or interacts with Chuubanite. An awakened origin imposes impulses on the individual, so someone with awakened "Solitude" would be driven away from society by their own actions. For someone to become a Catalognaut, they'd need to have the right (random) conceptual origin of their soul, awaken it through their life or external occurences and survive the awakening, have the Chuubanite in their bodies be compatible with that concept, and then notice and train it. It makes it seem as if the Catalognauts are random, while it all makes sense.

Could we have catalognaut animals?

>>30421022
>>30420997
Do you really believe the Ourobros gave up that easily?
I really need to finish reading >>30407619

>>30421076 (me)
>A Janny is of course from the perspective of a normal human or a catalognaut an incredibly powerful entity, but they are only moderately less rooted in the physical than Jannies are.
* A Janny is of course from the perspective of a normal human or a catalognaut an incredibly powerful entity, but they are only moderately less rooted in the physical than Catalognauts are.

I need to learn to read my own posts before i post.

>>30421130
Those Ourobros sure are industrious... That's what, three long stories where they're major antagonists?

>>30421117
>be random nematode/paramecium
>doesnt even know what vtuber is
>suddenly the universe chose you as a living superconductor for said chuuba

>>30421353
KINO
I'm rooting out for nematode-kun. He will be the apostle of my oshi.

>>30421353
Maybe thats how Mechaffyna and /meat/'s abomination are made?

>>30421353
Would be kino, I say. Or imagine a great white shark being a catalognaut for gura.

>>30421399
anon... do you have any idea what you've just unleashed?

>>30421353
nematode-domo is my new oshi. Praise be.

>>30421353
>>30421399
https://rentry.org/n3vyk
Its just a schizo-catalogtroll. It all makes sense.

>>30421399
this... holy shit this could work!

>>30421076
>Our own universe works to certain extent in very unpredictable and "random" ways, there is no reason as to why the setting wouldn't either.
only in regard to things we don't have any way to properly observe. i don't think that is a decent justification for it, especially compared to the previous justification for it. furthermore, i don't think faith or devotion are nebulous, but i understand that people think differently from me. what i don't understand is how such a massive change could happen randomly, and cause someone to be forced to become something else against their will in a way that is rare.
if it is a domino sort of effect, then everyone should be catalognauts, the only question would be how long it takes for them to change. all it takes is a single bit of something and you're set on that journey. alternatively, if it's anything too complex, then it couldn't be done on the kind of scale it would have to be for "our own universe works to certain extent in very unpredictable and "random" ways" to be a good enough explanation, as it is is working at a completely different scale. imagine planets that followed the rules of quantum mechanics.

>>30421353
Maybe that's how actual dragons are created too. Wyverns that gets chosen as catalognaut "mutate" into dragons. And it happens more likely for dragon-themed chuubas. Although humans catalognaut still exist there are perhaps more dragons than human catalognaut in countries like /haha/.

>>30421533
Well, I don't think you need to have vitium field powers to be a dragon, that can be done with biology.

>>30421533
>>30421533
Pigeonholing every fantasy creature as chuubanite avatars wouldnt sit well
Maybe theyre only for those 1 in a million legendary pokemon kind of creatures
Dragons exist, but there's only 1 dragon that breathes out pure chuubanite and instinctively protects worshippers of the chuubanite's oshi

>>30421399
this... this opens up a whole new world of possibilities

>>30421509
Well, faith and devotion has the same issue, anyone could become a catalognaut if they just believe hard enough.
For one, I don't think the idea is that adults could become catalognaut. Maybe it can only happen around conception, and if it happens later the change gets "fixed" by the rest of the body.

>>30421509
>only in regard to things we don't have any way to properly observe.
Arguable, but not the topic.

Thus I propose it is somewhere in the middle. Not a domino sort of effect, and definitely not something that everyone would fulfill, but still random and unpredictable enough that you cant easily predict someone becoming a potential catalognaut, and cannot mass-produce them.

>>30421571
Depends on how the writer for those countries want to represent their dragons. Are they like Elder scroll dragons or traditional mythical dragons that are exceedingly rare and have an almost demi-god status? If one were to make a fantasy dragon be a result of evolution that might not be very plausible depending on what they want since we do want to still preserve some realism in this setting. While fire breath can be explained as dragons spitting napalm and igniting them with their iron claws striking a flint they picked up, that wouldn't suit the goal of making a powerful fantasy dragon, due to factors like its size would need to be limited due to the square cube law.

>Chuubanite = crystal
>Both release radiation
>Humans can be chosen to bond with it
I think Founderkun was right.
Watching this movie is compulsory homework

>>30386725
picrel's what I have for /mans/, for some brief summary:
>Tropical moist forest
Your average tropical rainforest. Trees always have their leaves, the ground is always dark and usually wetland, and tend to be rather foggy by thread request too. The shore might be covered by mangrove forests.
>Seasonal tropical forest
Your average "subtropical forest". Trees lost their leaves during dry season, leading to more grass and shrubs on the ground. Seasonal change is obvious. Good for agriculture once trees are chopped down.
>Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub
A mix of dry forest, shrubland, and grassland. Landscape tend to look greyish-green due to waxy leaves. Sunny and photogenic summer, reasonably good for agriculture, but quite good for plants like grapes and olives.
>Cool hole
Supernatural cool hole leading to complex caves. The biome here depends on how cold the hole is - it can be anything from dry conifer forest to shrubland, or even barren, rugged meadows.
>Cave system
Many elaborate cave systems in the world are limestone caves caused by water melting holes through them. The monsoonal climate of /mans/ certainly have the water, and we can explain its prominence in the north by saying it's an uplifted seafloor instead of the orogen that likely forms the south.

>>30421607
if it changes them into the avatars they represent regardless of how similar they are to it, and if the conditions are completely random, there is no reason that any living thing couldn't eventually become a catalognaut.
>>30421669
>>30421685
so, do you guys just not know what the conditions were before? everything needs to be perfect. devotion and faith already canonically increase the strength of a concept, which is why having faith and devotion in a concept would help a catalognaut, but since, i repeat, every condition needs to be perfect, merely having devotion or belief is irrelevant. since not every condition is replicable, and many of those conditions are unpredictable, there is no possible way to mass-produce catalognauts. every other suggestion is, necessarily, either less exclusive or less justifiable/more nebulous than the conditions we initially had because the initial conditions were all justifiable conditions.

>>30421913
>devotion and faith already canonically increase the strength of a concept
Do they? This isn't mentioned in the chuubanite rentry.
What conditions are there other than devotion and faith in your setup?

>>30407247
Since I put it there nanora!

>>30421913
The thing is I dont want the catalognaut idea to be gatekept behind having to be a religious individual or physically appearing like your oshi/concept. I want there to be the possibility of an unbeliever or an oshichanger battling with their catalognaut identity, struggling against the changes that the connection makes to their psychology.

The "Transubstantiation as a symptom rather than cause" interpretation is literally the same as yours, with the above sentence being the only change. Everything else is the same.

>>30422084
Grrrrrr!! Every shota ITT deserves correction!

>>30422168
Same, I've never had the impression faith played a role in the magic of Vitubia, it seems like the whole chuubanite system works opposite of that. /meat/ tattoos and regeneration, gem staves, candy chuubanite, they all seem to work equally well regardless of anyone's belief or lack of thereof, it seems like for consistency catalognaut magic should work similarly.

>>30422168
Heya! It's me! I have the answer you seek! But it's extremely spoiler-y.
Aspotheosis

>>30422347
Oh???
Oh!
Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

>>30420472
Morning babe. How you doing? Religion rewrite going smoothly?

>>30422347
oh fuck!!

>>30421904
Come here you beautiful creature you! I love it! Gives much more variety than just endless forest, and you also incorporated the hole™!

>>30422775
Well, that's part of the request, so I try my best to incorporate them without it sounding *too* implausible. That said, even forests can be different between different environments as well (/mans/ in my map has at least 3 types of them - potentially more depending on how the Hole™ is like), which is why I made sure to note their difference in layman's terms.

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>>30422347
>why serve a god you dont agree with when you can become one
I like it. If this all ties to that Takeus story I think Im getting the picture here

>>30422012
the chuubanite rentry is missing a bunch of stuff. this is why i think we should have not removed my rentry from the chuubanite archive post. the container analogy would help explain some of it, but mostly you get it from understanding what the conceptual realm is, and what it represents. basically, it's like the warp. the stronger a concept is based on a variety of factors, such as presence(intensity) and broadness(scope). devotion and faith would increase presence, to put it simply.
>>30422168
people hear "faith" and keep thinking about religion. that is why i started using terms like devotion, yet people still make this mistake. chuubas and concepts are conceptually synonymous in this setting. regardless of which path you take, catalognauts will physically appear like an oshi strongly associated with their concept, and their ego will be that of said oshi.
my way, they don't realize they've fallen into an archetype until it's revealed to them, and then they cope with it according to their ego, which is similar enough to an oshi to explain. their way, you start noticing magical changes out of nowhere, for no reason, that eventually transform you completely into something else, and this is supposedly done by nature alone, blind as it may be.
with that said, there are way more changes than what you insinuated. the fact that there has to be a new cause, and the fact that we have to explain how the symptom is possible. it ends the same way for the catalognaut, but it couldn't be further from the same in terms of the mechanics.
if you don't think my way could let you write struggles for a catalognaut to deal with their identity, imagine avatar the last airbender. aang was the transubstantiation of "the avatar" and didn't know it, he had a normal life and then it was revealed to him, and then the fact that everyone, himself included, viewed him differently because of that, despite a lack of physical or mental changes, he ran away and disappeared for a hundred years.
and that's just the prolog, at least half of the story is him trying to cope with the fact that his power to bridge the gap between the spirit world gives him responsibilities as the only one who can settle some of the problems he comes across, with the other half of the series being him goofing off as a normal kid. the alternative is metamorphosis, basically. both good stories, but i prefer avatar personally.

>>30423400
the strength of a concept is*

>>30423400
>devotion and faith would increase presence, to put it simply.
Is there anyone else who agrees with that? I never got that from any of the lore...

>>30423168
>>30421130
>>30420908
So what? The Ouroboros are trying to turn a Kronii anti catalognaut into an /asp/ god?

Good day
>>30423400
>>30423460
I do not like to jump into shit i don't know about but from what I understand, I have to ask why does it have to be a catalognaut that can be Transubstantiated and not just a devouted believer in the cause. I ask for the purposes of the Queen of my Kingdom, whom is supposed to be the avatar of Reine herself. Am I misunderstanding this?

>>30423583
Ah, avatars are a whole different category of the mess, that's another thing. That's more like the KFP/luna/towa situation.

>>30421904
Ah, now *this* is great. I'm not sure just how big the hole is going to be but it's good to know how it might affect the environment around it.

Also I guess I should adjust how much and what land has been settled so far, especially the northern enclave, so it makes more sense with these ridges and climates in mind. I think I'll be mostly reducing it.

One tiny question though, would the large southwestern island fall more under the Mediterranean or the Tropical zone?

>>30423583
It's the /become/ effect
The more powerful you are, the more you look like your oshi

>>30423630
I wasn't thinking as if the Goddess herself comes down and assumes human for as much as the Queen is supposed to act and be like Reine herself and was wondering if it tied to this concept.

>>30423668
Yeah I know, as I said what you're talking about is the KFP/luna/towa situation, catalognauts are another thing.

>>30423696
Oh ok. I see, I guess I will avoid the magical powers that come with this beyond the aspect of the land's climate changing as a result and maybe special resources tied to this. (If that is reasonable)

>>30423583
imagine a catalognaut as someone who can fit into a mold on the other side. having something to embody in both the physical and conceptual realm is important. transubstantiation is how you do that. if you wanted to, you would have to create the concept of yourself to exist in the conceptual realm, but people in this setting aren't the same as chuubas or thread concepts, they need more to be able to make the concept of themselves strong enough to hold themselves as a vessel, hence apotheosis, is that correct, /meat/bro?

>>30423636
No problem! It's ultimately just a suggestion, so you can adjust my placement according to your needs! And yes, since temperature plays a major role in the climate of a given place, a significantly large supernatural source of coldness will have a noticeable effect - see /morig/ for an example of that. As for the island, I would say it's probably tropical (Cwa or Cfa to be precise) - it's likely too small to have significant elevation, and all the water around it likely means the climate will be quite moderate.

>>30423800
Climate changes are probably better explained by the local chuubanite instead of a particular individual's influence... Unless you're okay with the food chain collapsing if you go a few years without a queen kek.

>>30423807
Ah ok. I prefer the term «spiritual realm» but I understand why conceptual is used here as some may be confused. I get it.

>>30423580
>>30423807

>>30423877
Good idea, I am not good at getting into the specifics of this... but the queen as a rule should never leave the nation because she is the religious head and must be there to conduct religious festivals.

>>30423636
I would imagine the main hole™ to actually be not all that big, it's just the underground cavern system that is huge, like, covering the area of the red spot kinda huge. Would also be nice to have smaller holes here and there leading to the same system instead of just one.
Also also, the elite system simmered enough or you need more time? Mainly asking for vestiges, which I want to leave a lot more to your discretion, being an uncle nowa simp and all that.

So does that mean /meat/ will be trying to capture and breed catalognauts to be sacrificial totems of their gods?

>>30424045
Let's not turn this into an exploit that meat alone will benefit from.

>>30424045
Well, if we decide it's not hereditary, there's no reason to breed them.

>>30424095
Well /meat/ doesn't know if it's hereditary or not.

>>30424127
I feel like they would figure it out within a couple decades of experimentation...

>>30424045
>>30424085
Nah. These people are rare and are like early-modern supes. It'll be a waste.
Any of the wentli slaves used for transubstantiation is valid for our rituals.
/meat/'s more interested in using them to keep track of chuubas. Foresight for when which chuuba will be weak enough to prepare a deicide ritual.

>>30423560
did you read anything besides comfyanon's rentry? what he wrote was great, but it isn't even halfway done yet. he hasn't even started the math aspect of it, which is where i am expecting the container analogy to be found. we have been discussing this stuff since the beginning, all you need to know for now is that the conceptual realm is like the warp. concepts can be strengthened by devotion, as the more someone is devoted to a concept, the more presence is has in their life. the more presence a concept has, the more influence it has, the more power it has. power which is used to actualize that concept into something. in 40k, that's the chaos gods, here, it's chuubas.
>>30424127
it's not hereditary. some aspects of it are, assuming my interpretation wins out, but there are too many other conditions, and too many chuubas for it to be meaningful.

>>30424169
Assuming they can get their hands on enough of them to experiment effectively...

>>30424200
>too many chuubas for it to be meaningful.
You know.... this just makes 'grooming' a valid thing in-universe
Kidnap a baby from somewhere, but they were raised on a different religion
You got yourself a weapon with a power different from the one you mainly use

>>30424176
The question is, can the Catalognauts' power be used to play Mahjong?
>>30424282
Wouldn't that make threads dedicated to mixed/multiple chuubas much stronger?

Ohayo, /vtwbg/.

>>30423983
Mepper, we must have missed each other the other day, but I wanted to ask you if you saw >>30308023 and if you would be interested in taking part.

>>30424200
I'm sorry anon, but if there's an aspect of lore that hasn't gotten represented in anyone's lore, nor on a document that is synthesizing weeks of discussion from everyone in the thread including you, as far as I know that specific tidbit is just your headcanon for now. It makes more sense if the concept was strengthened by the concept being embodied in the world. For example, the /meat/ concept of the birth and death cycle is strengthened by the presence of the birth and death cycle, not people "believing" in the birth and death cycle.
To use your own example, Khorne is not empowered by people believing in him, he's empowered by hate, killing, passion, pride, honor being embodied in the world. He's empowered by his concept, not by devotion of the sentients.

>>30424392
Oh hey, Tri! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you yet; I've been stupid busy this past week.

>>30424392
Ehehehe.....now that would be bad, wouldn't it...

>>30424392
Morning Triangle! It doesn't matter, the best chuubanite users are still Moriji priestesses, because they're the sexiest.

>>30424566
>spoiler
Objectively wrong, but you do you, skelefriend.

>>30424633
Woa... /MANS/ really does turn you gay faster than /nasfaqg/. I remember you were posting sanatits just two weeks back.

>>30424467
Yeah, tell me about it... barely was able to catch a breath for the past week or so, and the moment I get home I get sick.
>>30424560
From the perspective of /nasfaqg/, I am not complaining although it will be an issue for Vitubia as a whole, so it should be examined.
>>30424566
I fucking love Kawaiiope Moririn.
Although this does beg the question, if the chuuba is female, how does that affect the male Catalognauts and vice versa? Would male /morig/ Catalognauts just become like C-man?

>>30424750
Maybe they just look like genderswapped versions of the chuubas

>>30424282
ok, let me be absolutely clear here. with my interpretation, there is no possible way anyone could predict or control for whether or not someone is a catalognaut. just because you can think of a way to get around and take advantage of one condition does not mean you can get around and take advantage of all necessary conditions. any other idea for what conditions it would have would be necessarily easier to get around or take advantage of because, again, my suggestion is not a single condition, it is all conditions. the perfect conditions, no less.
chaos theory acts through my suggestion, chaos theory is not it's own thing. it's a process that naturally takes place when there are multiple, highly sensitive variables that decide how things work. the weather isn't unpredictable beyond a certain percentage because chaos theory told the universe to make it hard to predict, it's because every small change in climate could radically alter everything, so unless you are monitoring literally every variable to the smallest possible degree, you can't predict anything.
>>30424464
khorne is his concept, that is what he literally is. when his concept has more influence over the materium, he literally has more influence over the materium, because he literally is that concept. when people are devoted to his concept, they are literally devoted to him. when they feel his concept, they literally feel him. i don't get why this is so difficult to understand. if all my work is to be considered a headcanon now that we are compiling all of my work, and most of it has yet to be compiled, then i'll just keep explaining it until comfyanon has the opportunity to compile it.

>>30424722
I was always bi, now I just got more of a reason to post cute bottoms. And ya know, my wife(male) kinda broke me out of my shell, don't need to keep anything back now :D

>>30424750

>>30424750
Yeah, I guess a gender swap would work well enough. /morig/ priests kinda look like short-haired or bald C-man while the priestesses look like Mori, so I imagine the same would go for the catalognauts.

The only thing I dont like about /become/ being a major power factor is that now I'm imagining that the super secret service bunker filled with level 99 gigastacy superheroes would look like this

>>30425173
I genuinely kind of don't like the idea that all the catalognauts of the same affinity would end up looking the same.

>>30406635
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-who-lore-main
It's done, all lore has been sorted and given a new table of content, and initial integration with other pages is also done.
Archive anon, please replace the old lore archive with the contents of this one.
All that's left is to flesh out all the subsections...
Also other anons please give me some feedback. Do any of these sections need to have their own page? Afarid the main lore page may be getting a lil' too long...

>>30425173
Maybe make it more about behaviour than appearance? Or, alternatively, Catalognauts could be made rare enough that such a group wouldn't generally form.
Which raises another question, how prevalent should they be, roughly, per thread?

>>30422168
>>30422336
I HAVE AN IDEA NANORA, so instead of something like genetics or random chance causing someone to become a catalognaut , I'd like to propose that they are chosen both as partial embodiments of a chuuba but also as an embodiment of a moment in a chuubas life, in the form of a clip. Maybe the clip is represented only by a few short minutes of the catalognauts life or maybe its the entirety of their life playing out as a clip, either way, they are chosen to recreate the emotions and feelings of a chuuba in that moment (possibly by a bridge entity known as a Clipfag). In this way, you can have a catalognaut vary in personality between each other but also with distinct differences, so if one is representative of a clip where your oshi was pissed off, they thenselves find strength from similar emotions and can change depending on it. This is still keeping with the idea that they have to have a binding concept related to their oshi but this proposal allows for a variety of catalognauts without making them too seperated from their core concept.

>>30425255
So don't use that idea? It's not like Paragraphchama's word is law.

>>30425273
Just pick a rare disease and choose that percentage for the general population

>>30425337
Huh... So basically, "clip" moments cause a Vitium Field thunderstrike between the Heavenly Realm and Vitubia, and where it strikes, a catalognaut is formed. It would keep the occurrence of catalognauts low, while making them less random and arbitrary, but instead a direct consequence of Heavenly Realm events. I kind of like that more than the other proposals so far, gets around a lot of the issues that have been brought up.

>>30425337
>turning clipfags into superheroes
Okay thats it! Time for brat correction!

>>30424464
also, again, /meat/'s concept is the life cycle. birth, suffering, death, and rebirth are steps within that cycle. /meat/'s concept is not "the birth and death cycle" nor is it "the life, birth, and death cycle".
>>30425255
they wouldn't have to look the same. the chuubas are anime characters, they would just need to look similar enough to them to fit within that window of specification. but as >>30425338 said, all my interpretations are suggestions. i am voicing them because i think they fit well with all that we have worked out so far, but if there are better ideas, they'll be revealed through discussion, so feel free to give them, and be prepared to defend them if you can.

>>30425501
Well, most of the catalog is about clips from dumb clipfags, so it's a better fit than you might think.

Imagine fielding a legion of 400K men
But they all fell to 2 people that looks and acts like Goomba

>>30425337
Wouldn't this mean that certain nations are a lot more likely to get catalognauts than others?

>>30425637
/meat/...

>>30425548
catalognauts aren't clippers, even if everything in the catalog was just clips, they wouldn't be clipfags. they'd barely be anons, maybe they'd be better represented as lurkers.

>>30424868
>khorne is his concept, that is what he literally is. when his concept has more influence over the materium, he literally has more influence over the materium, because he literally is that concept. when people are devoted to his concept, they are literally devoted to him. when they feel his concept, they literally feel him. i don't get why this is so difficult to understand. if all my work is to be considered a headcanon now that we are compiling all of my work, and most of it has yet to be compiled, then i'll just keep explaining it until comfyanon has the opportunity to compile it.
Hmm, how to explain it...
It doesn't matter that people are devoted to Khorne.
It doesn't matter that people kill in Khorne's name.
What matters is that people kill, this is what gives Khorne power.
Do you understand?
>>30425545
>also, again, /meat/'s concept is the life cycle. birth, suffering, death, and rebirth are steps within that cycle. /meat/'s concept is not "the birth and death cycle" nor is it "the life, birth, and death cycle".
This is pedantry.

>>30425659
We have clipfags?

>>30425421
Let's go with something like the Cotard's delusion, maybe?

>>30425759
Not, just that if all catalognauts comes from clips that are shared here than /meat/ probably wouldn't have any

>>30423993
Man, does 4chan just fucking hate large posts or something? I keep getting anti-spam'd whever I try to make one

>>30425748
Better to just save your nerves right now, this is paragraphs Hama you are talking to, he will have his way because he is fully convinced his ideas and interpretations are always the best and true and have no flaws.

>>30425800
Or....
Truman Show Delusion Syndrome

>>30425816
Maybe it doesn't have to be limited to just clips, but big happenings? I'd say the stapler incident caused enough of a wave in the catalog to allow a catalognaut to be formed, for example. Or maybe something more thread-intimate, like when a /wg/ story is read by the chuuba on-stream.

>>30425670
Maybe it could be extended to other "Outer God" events, such as tweets, posts on social media, community posts on the channel page.

>>30425854
He's gotten better about this stuff, you just gotta talk things through.

>>30425941
>>30425954
Too dependent on events outside of /vt/
Remember, this world IS /vt/
So the conditions to have them must related to it
Like the Alchemist incident, or the recent Pippa falseflag

>>30426023
Yes, I meant that it could work for catalog threads about tweets, social media, pussy-stapling etc etc.

>>30425836
>magmates
That's not necessarily how the probability would work. For example, you may have a 20% chance to juggle chainsaws without getting hurt, but if you've done it twice successfully then your chance at succeeding the third time is going to be higher than average. Something would have to be fundamentally different about the ritual, or a person who has undergone it, to make it increasingly risky as it is repeated.

>>30426023
Hmmm maybe with each time a yab or something similar that triggers a catalog thread to increase in traffic happens the chance for a catalognaut born in a nation that worship the deity(s) in question increases? So, Goomba being spammed with bait threads on the catalog? More catalognauts are born in /ggg/ and /hlgg/. Comma stapler incident? More /meat/ catalognauts are born. So on and so forth. It can be a sort of in universe way of regulating schizo attacks by giving nations more assets to combat them. But of course all the rules that apply to chuubanite still applies. Big yab that damages a chuuba's reputation etc would still cause their chuubanite to decrease in strength, most likely the catalognauts too. But the defending nation also gets more super soldiers. It is not a "true" regulating system but just reflects how the catalog affects the world of Vitubia.

>>30425748
which anon are you again? are you shitposting me or something? i mean no offense, this is genuinely something that happens to me sometimes, and i don't realize it unless i ask. the chaos gods all embody emotions. the representation of those emotions empower them more, and they exist above concepts that couldn't take a form due to how overwhelmingly present their concept is in the universe of 40k, but their concept would exist whether ot not anyone did those things.
>This is pedantry.
you spend more time writing out more words which, despite your claim, does change the context of what was being stated. 1) /morig/ has the death cycle, it's basically a mirror image of /meat/'s life cycle, and it is very similar, but they aren't the same. certainly, the differences aren't mere pedantry. 2) the life cycle transcends any of it's individual steps, or even the common interpretation of all of the steps combined.
truth is, the life cycle, and each of it's steps, are all just representations of a universal process. you are destroying that context by referring to it in the way you do, and for what purpose is beyond me, since you are expending more energy to write it out than is necessary or accurate.
>>30425998
thank you for believing in me. i am trying but i am not sure the proper way to show it, so if you have any suggestions, please give them to me.

>>30425941
>>30425954
Yea yea! Screenshots, clips, perhaps even random tweets. Instead of calling the bridge entity a clipfag, we could call them harvesters.

>>30426357
So does that mean that smaller, indie threads are just screwed over with regards to catalognauts then?

>>30426023
also, it would validate bait threads, and give spam threads more power. better to not use the clip suggestion.

>>30426453
Unfortunately, so probably there should still be some natural catalognauts born in indie or unaffiliated nations that doesn't rely on the catalog. And the scale of how many catalognauts would likely need a limit. But ultimately if catalognauts reflect how the catalog works than it would be by nature focused more on the corpo chuubas.

So schizo events!
Every bait, be it clips, yabs, tweet link, discord photos, doxxes, etc
Those are triggerer!
We now have a functional esoteric magic ecosystem!
Schizos does bait
Throws catalog out of balance
Heavenly realm RNGs catalognauts to be born
Catalognauts are not dependent on the population of regular sentient beings
They are dependent on the population of schizos

>>30426649
>encourages baitposting for metagaming.
this idea is preferable from the community at large as a substitute for mine? is mine that bad?

Good morning!
>all this chuubanite discussion
>Ouroboros endgame
y-yab
>>30412105
Not at all! But a corrupt noble might have connections with the prison system to hold the bread dog for insulting his family by telling the poors how to eat like him.

>>30426484
These do have their own limiters, Jannies would take out any catalognaut that has gone schizo and it would also act as a reasonable limiter for nations with lots of catalognauts. If Chumbuds and Deadbeats have more Catalognauts, they're going to have more schizos and possible schizo catalognauts that jannies need to kill.

>>30426755
It has a clear mechanism for how it works at the very least. I may have just missed it, but you mentioned that your system relies on a bunch of minute, finnicky conditions which result in seemingly random, chaotic behavior. Did you ever actually explain what some of the relevant factors to the creation of a catalognaut would be? I think it would help get people on board if they had a better understanding of how it worked.

So the magical food chain is
>Schizo
>Catalognaut
>Janny

>>30426982
Why would jannies be at the bottom of the food chain?

>>30427005
It's meant to be descending

>>30426982
What if schizos were just a variant of catalognauts?

I think I am almost done with the NijiID part of Warkop. Tell me how I did, I worked on this hard this morning and I really want some feedback because I am not sure I did the economy correctly...
https://rentry.org/ryyba

>>30427159
They repel away connections and replace them with theirs according to the schizo proposal
So with enough schizos, a catalognaut can be cut off from the catalog

>>30427309
So the rrat network is The Shadow in the Catalog
Just like how Tyranids nerf Psykers and and other Warp dependent beigs

>>30427309
>this is how meat was cut off from Vitubia entirely

>>30426364
I'm actually both anons you're responding to here kek. Sorry for the odd phrasing, I'm just trying to lay things out as clearly as possible. I'll try again.
Let's say we had Khorne in Vitubia' Heavenly Realm, and we had a Khorne follower in Vitubia. Which of these things would increase Khorne's power or presence:
>The follower being devoted to Khorne
>The follower killing people and acting with honor
(I'm only using Khorne because he has a very simple, easy to examplify concept).
wrt pedantry... I'm just saying you knew what I meant, it's not any deeper than that, sorry for using the wrong terminology lol.

>>30427159
that's how schizos have always partially worked in my eyes, though they're on the lower end of the heavenly hierarchy. Catalognauts are probably in the same category as chuuba speakers who represent the chuuba on Vitubia but slightly lesser.

>>30426341
It was a simplification assuming that the process was solely up to chance, yes, but as you yourself said
> Something would have to be fundamentally different about the (...) person who has undergone it
which would be the case as ritual itself changes the person who undergoes it. It's hard to make a comparison, but I'd consider it more akin to pouring liquid from one comically small beaker into progressively even smaller beakers where if a single drop spills outside you die and by the fourth one you'll see the liquid's surface tension poking out to the point there is zero room for error.

Mostly I'm just trying to prevent there being a ton of full powered alchemists running around because it somehow got easier with practice.

>>30427287
Also, WARsuner (I hope you are here my good friend), I am putting you in charge of doing the HoloID part of this. I am not sure how I am going to do the Indie part since I really do not pay attention to ID indies that much... I might just say there is a lack of knowledge on how they are doing,,, I renamed the NijiID kingdom into "dilupakan" which means forgotten or oblivion in Indonesian (Fits our former branch quite well, even if things seem to be changing with Hana's 3D live.)

>>30427412
If thats the case then at least we have some sort of balanced ecosystem
>Schizo rrats trigger wave of Catalognaut creations
>Catalognauts empowers everyone who believed in their oshis to fight back
>A horde of schizos can overpower catalognauts

Actually what about the origin and creation of the schzios? Should rrats also be magical fields that are formed from concepts?
Should the schzio proposal be reworked or tweaked so it suit the new chuubanite related things that have come up over the months?
T. anon who made that rentry

>>30427412
So.... in theory we could capture enemy Catalognauts by throwing them in a cell lined with schizos?

>>30427287
>>30427472
Great work Hanafag, I really like the dynamic you have about the state being practically destroyed and having to be rebuilt in a relatively uninhabited region and your way of showing that dynamic is done well, especially since this makes sense in the Meta world since NijiID no longer exists as a branch. I like many from NijiID myself and I find your use of the Chuubas to explain things is rather fitting. The only nation in the world that beats you with fishing is Oiseau xD. The name change is excellent too, I felt like the other names felt like place holders. If warsuner isn't online, I wouldn't mind doing my bit for HoloID. Great work, happy things are coming along nicely for you.

>>30427682
>a cell with one schizo chained to each wall
>all muzzled and frothing at the mouth, hissing and screaming their insanity
Kino

>>30427794
h-hot

>>30427682
>catalognaut tries to access the catalog to get magical quanta
>wait, no connection
>something is coming in
>it's screams
>theyre in the walls
>they literally buried schizos in the walls!
>pain
>flashes of dox, unfathomable horrors and truths
>catalognaut gets mindbroken
>death by self lobotomy

>>30427812
That would be a nice way of making non-catalognaut adventurers not completely obsolete, a vulnerability of sorts.

>>30427803
No!!

>>30427861
Didnt Panon wrote about using schizo artifacts to disrupt the enemy?
HOLY SHIT!

>>30427919
I remember something like that in the Cultural Exchange story.

>Schizos are kept alive and buried in the walls as Catalognaut deterrants
KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO

>>30426341
The main problem I personally wanted to introduce to the process is that the golem you are grafting on yourself can and will fight for control. It's difficult enough getting one of them down, and you never really get rid of them. Think of them like a beast you tamed through a show of force. Once you go through the process again and another beast is introduced into your head, that first one might think "hey this would be a good time to try and gain control". Congrats you now have to beat down two of them. And so on and so forth.

>>30427794
>>30427812
>>30427919
>>30427861
Ah..such creative and good worldbuilding this thread, nanora I like it so much but I am saddened as my catalognaut schizo hunter character is now kill

>>30427973
>maggots self-inflict golen-powered schizophrenia
That's a new one...

This world truly is grimbright
>happy colorful and cheery vtuber fans
>weaponize mental illnesses

>rrats in the walls
>literally
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE INA TASUKETE
SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>30428004
Now we just need to introduce some tulpamancers into the setting...

>>30427998
You could still have him
Anon only said if they overpower with a swarm
The power of friendship will save the day!

>>30427998
Well, nothing here is set in stone. Plus, as >>30428040 says, catalognauts would be able to fight schizos, in moderation. They're just more vulnerable to massive schizo vitium field vibrations.

If only the Imperium was smart enough to bury 'Nids in their walls as Chaos deterrent

>>30428040
Oh shit. /∞/ had a tulpa arc before /vtwbg/ existed...

>>30428098
Wait, not this one, this one >>30428050
kek

>>30428132
I miss our own tulpa anon. Too bad his head popped like a watermelon.

>>30428223
Ours used to write some really good fics. But he eventually made a copypasta about Kronii and Mumei pissing, then disappeared... He was a fandead too. I wonder if he survived *that*...

>>30425836
Yea, it's been terrible the last week or so.

Axelotls: glad you like it, was honestly my favorite idea out of all of them(I just like barbarians and stuff, so things like these, where one literally grows from the fight to become an even bigger pile of testosterone and muscles really speak to me). Also, side note, imagine us fielding not one, not two, but dozens of Broly-built berserkers...uuuuuuu!!
As for the Jarl thing, I could see it being either or honestly. I just used the term because I was inspired by one of the pics you posted that looked sorta like a Norse settlement, and I was like "giant norse furry barbarians. Imma make it happen!"

Magmates: Oh yea, the process would be extremely painful and full of risks, you would basically be grafting another being onto yourself. Beside the normal risks of death, there would also be the possibility that the golem itself wins out in the mental battle for control, and the Magnate becomes just another golem, albeit made out of flesh and not stone or dirt. I will go into more detail in the rentry, but safe to say, there is a reason not every alchemist is running around with a 6 hand cloak.

Altventurers: I wanted to play with the idea of bloodlines for them, since when I think of demons(who aren't just mindless monsters) I think of proud creatures who put a lot of emphasis on the purity of their ancestry, so I'm really glad you are on board with it.
As for the non-royals displaying royal traits, that I am fully for, since the main thing that would differentiate the royal family from the rest would not just be their physical appearance, but the ability to use the Voice.
To go a bit more into it, it would basically be the power from the Dune series, no two ways about it. And while some extremely talented and rare individuals could use it, it would definitely be limited to single word commands, and even then, it would absolutely exhaust them. Think sprinting for a few 100m all contained within a single breath. Less of a "I'm up against 20 opponents and I can use this to beat them all in a single moment" and more of a "I'm up against a single guy that might beat me, I need to find the right moment to use this to create an opening". It also would not guarantee success, since the willpower of the target would play a large part. For example, if a monster was charging you, you could command it to stop, which it would, then look confused for a few moments before just charging again. A weaker enemy could instead stand there immobilized for multiple seconds or even minutes, depending on the situation.
The royal family would, on the other hand, be able to issue complex commands, and multiple of them, but they would still have a limit. This would tie back into them being of the "pure" variety of demonfolk. They just built different. But it's not like they would use it all the time, this would almost exclusively be used as a show of force on their opponents. They know the power they possess and willingly use it as little as possible. The way to rule is not through an iron fist, but through a gentle mother's hand.

Vestiges: I like this idea of reusing the oldest members power for newer generation. If you are decided on it, I fully support it, it's a nice middle ground.
As for the pale nobility, I'm not exactly sure. I am flip-flopping between making all of them vestiges and making the class just really small(like, MAYBE 1000 individuals max) or making the Vestiges an exclusive big boys club you need to get invited to once you made a big enough splash as a normal noble. I will leave it up to you, and will support whatever you decide on.

I saw that post the last thread btw, hehe... Welcome to the horny club. I know what to bribe you with now, if push comes to shove muahaha!

>>30427752
>>30427472
Yes, I am here being lazy. honestly, i don't feel like i can handle much more than Risu's group. If mepfag wants to take over the rest, i would be very grateful. hanafag did you update the map btw?

>>30428257
Ah, I used to have a tulpaanon in my thread too... But it was before I got into vtubers.

>counter schizo operations usually have tulpamancers of their own
>Jackie Chan

>>30426649
with this being said, it does make you wonder, what happens to catalognauts when yabs happen that cause their chuubanite to become unstable?
>>30426859
wait, so catalognauts represent literal threads now? jannies killing catalognauts as a representation for jannies killing entire threads, which is also represented by jannies destroying entire nations, doesn't seem equivalent to me.
>>30426899
the first suggestion differed because it wanted to be less clear, and more random. i argued that my system would be able to do what it did without needing to be less clear and the new suggestion is seen as clearer, not because it is clearer in universe, but because it correlates to a real-life thing, yet that thing is represented differently in the thread, and it is still unclear how it is represented in universe.
as for what conditions, any you could imagine. all that matters is that there are a lot. transubstantiation is ultimately the goal, but to what degree, that is where things would ultimately matter. personality and appearance are a given, but since we are dealing with a concept and not necessarily a chuuba, the concept, and it's child concepts are all applicable, too.
the goal of these systems isn't to be clear beyond a certain degree, it's supposed to be dynamic but realistic. if we want it to be dynamic, it has to be contextual, if it is contextual, it's different for every concept, or representation of a concept. systems that operate through chaos theory are dynamic, chaotic systems are unclear and contextual.
if you want to predict the weather, you'll need to understand the climate, to predict the climate of a region, you need to have precise data on the climate of the whole world and much of the solar system, certainly the moon and the sun at least. if you aren't paying attention to the fine composition of the air in regions a thousand miles away, you'll have less than a 50% chance of predicting tomorrow's weather, let alone the weather by the end of the week.
systems like these are goldmines for a grounded, yet still thematically interesting system because even if you know the minutia and could reasonably influence aspects of the probability of things, there is always a large chance that things won't go the way you planned, even if you took steps to control for them, all you can do is have contingencies ready in case you are wrong.
since my system is dynamic, it has room to include any other condition. i won't deny that the specifics of those conditions are, as of yet, mostly undetermined, but the system allows for both physical and conceptual conditions. physical conditions are easier to think about, but if you understand how the conceptual realm works, there are a fair number of possible conditions depending on what the thread is ok with.
>>30427419
both. killing people with honor would do it more, but that doesn't mean the influence khorne has on those who are devoted to him isn't there at all. for khorne, a single person being devoted to him wouldn't even be noticed, (it would be noticed if an entire nation was devoted to him) but for the devoted, there is a conceptual connection that is strengthened when they engage in that behavior. in fact, that connection is likely why they are acting on his behalf in the first place.
for the devoted, every act in service of the concept of khorne brings them closer to the concept they are devoted to, but that concept is there influencing them regardless, which literally means some aspect of khorne is there influencing them. notice how i said concept, you don't need to be religious about khorne to be counted as a devout follower of the concept of khorne, see how khorne is strengthened by the empire when they act in accordance to his concept, but those who are devoted to him are influenced by him, and thus strengthen him, even before they begin acting on that devotion.
as for the pedantry, when i see people use different terms that more accurately represent a different concept, i know i am bad enough at articulation that they could genuinely be misinterpreting me, so i feel the need to clarify. something being pedantic implies that it's needlessly technical, semantical, and/or verbose. an example would be "that food bowl is not a bowl, it's a hollow, half cylinder that can stand in a stable position due to the bottom often being flattened, and that is often used to contain food" it means the same thing. if there is any difference, it can be handwaved away due to the lack of importance.
what i clarified might be pedantry, i won't deny i sometimes am a pedant, but i viewed it as an entirely separate concept. implying birth and death were the cycle, as opposed to being steps within the cycle diminishes the importance of suffering and rebirth by heightening the importance of birth and death, makes birth and death equivalent to life, and limits the cycle to the more specific life, birth, and death when "life" can be a much broader concept than any of it.

>>30429225
>wait, so catalognauts represent literal threads now
Not threads, but post. In the same way a janny or meido can get rid of a post, it can also gain traction and notoriety

>>30428346
Understandable. here is the map so far, Mepper can take over the rest of HoloID if he wants.

>>30429425
I am an actual dumbass.

>>30429425
>>30429495
Looking nice (fix that river kek, its an eyesore.) Yeah, I want mepfag to take over everyone but Warsuners if he is willing

>>30428272
One time! and I aim to keep it that way!

Well, we still have some time to deliberate on the exact stuff for the vestiges. And kinda funny how even if the Magmate manages to merge physically without mishap, there's still the risk of becoming brain dead. I haven't read/watched dune, but I guess it works and shows just how frightening facing the royalty would be.

Also, I'm gathering some pics for how I kinda imagined more 'average' adventurers compared to the elites we've been discussing. I'll post em once I've found stuff I'm satisfied with. it's a nice way to procrastinate me thinking up how any actual military would work on the island beyond maybe larger warbands a la Mount&Blade and town/city guards.

>>30429225
>what happens to catalognauts when yabs happen that cause their chuubanite to become unstable?
they turn into schizos
>even if you know the minutia and could reasonably influence aspects of the probability of things, there is always a large chance that things won't go the way you planned, even if you took steps to control for them, all you can do is have contingencies ready in case you are wrong.
I mean, I think I see what you're going for, but this just kinda sounds like "it just works"-style handwaving with extra steps.

>>30429629
yeah... I am also going to give Ayunda her own state and make the other states around the gens if that is ok.

>>30430100
>spoiler
Wouldn't it be interesting if they became something more unique, like trolls?

>>30429495
I'd rather not include Reine here just because it doesn't make sense with my lore, can you remove her state? She barely gets talked about in warkop anyways.

>>30430197
I thought trolls were a type of schizo? But yeah, it would make sense that they would turn into one of the more powerful types, like trolls.

>>30430233
Yeah, that's fine. I'll rework the Holoborders to see if you two like it.

>>30428019
I just finished reading your story. It's great!
Here's my run-through thoughts
- I see the AdMech influence has cranked up with vehicle blessing
- Gwak as a holy phrase, my sides!
- I see the cold-opening into title technique is spreading
- So the Ouroboros have insider collaborators
- Continuity links = KINO
- I see this takes place simultaneously with /meat/ronie
- The vikings being called primitive savage barbarians warms my heart
- Admiral Timesworth is fun so far, a man of duty
- OH SHIT IT'S JOVIAL
- And you perfectly nailed him as the swashbuckling type
- Adversity makes strange bedfellows
- The siege begins
- Oh what's this? Camaraderie turned sour, and he chose pragmatism
- Reservation? Was that a reference to the Not!Koreans?
- And thus blew the death whistles
- Wasn't part of the plan? Who let them loose?
- Passive Ability: Mental ryona
- Ah, the Clock Spess Muhreen
- Two bros sharing their love of war
- Ah, a battle of ideologies
- And here we see the beginnings of something terrible
- With that the siege is over
- Oh no it's that weird scribe again
- Ohhh noo. This was before the Protectorate Saga?
- Timesworth imperialist outlook is still there haha
- Was that a reference to Niji and /mep/?
- Giving the navy to Jovial? This'll be fun
- And done
Fun read! And left some loose threads for future stories like the weird archivist.
Speaking of future stories
If you check through some of the posts itt, some anons managed to figure out my Takeus story's climax

>>30429823

Oh you don't have to do anything, I'll just attach some pink woman pics to my posts every once in a while, hehe

Oh yea, I want to make it a really dangerous process, since out of the four, it would arguably be the most powerful one, if not physically(that crown would go to Axelotls imo), definitely with what it opens up for you to do(imagine circuits that previously took you minutes to write by hand now take less than 20s, as well as constantly having a large container of various inks on you at all time, as well as, well... a giant arm to clobber people with.)

As for the Voice, here is a clip from the movie that should give you a good idea on how it would work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=05HwmTIGkw4

>>30430197
Maybe they could turn into unique creatures, mutated as a perversion of the concept wrought about by a sense of utter despair.
Doom Posters.

>>30429225
>what happens to catalognauts when yabs happen that cause their chuubanite to become unstable
>>30430100
>they turn into schizos
>>30430197
>>30430297
Worse. What happens when someone, whose entire organic cells are mini reactors, go Chernobyl?
>the first suggestion differed because it wanted to be less clear, and more random
Maybe we should put this up on a vote?
Event-based triggers or random triggers

>>30430369
can you just remove the names with our vtubers and use indonesian names instead?

>>30430197
>>30430297
Depends. Trolls are a subtype of schzios but honestly I haven't given much thought to how one becomes a troll anyways. I guess how one becomes a shaman vs a troll depends on the chuubanite in their body and their emotional state when they went schzio. If a catalognauts became too unstable when he turn into a schizo it has a high chance they would gradually become a troll. But some can still become shamans and retain most of their mental faculties. Kinda reflects how it is possible some anons would start posing dox or bait endlessly everythread when a yab turned them to anti their old oshi. While some might lurk and only post such things when someone would most likely bite the bait. I didn't intend troll to be more powerful than shamans. They work in tandem with normal, humanoid schzios and shamans.

>>30430748
Yeah, I can do that. Do you two like these interior borders better?

>>30429391
that makes more sense i guess. still, wouldn't that mean all posts, regardless of whether or not they included clips or whatever, plus, doesn't that encourage people to shitpost still? plus, it isn't much of a condition iu if it is just meant to be what the universe reflects. iu there still needs to be another explanation of what actually happens, we just would have metaknowledge of what the fact that it happened would mean.
>>30430100
more steps than the alternative "it just works" handwaving. the other idea is to say the universe just randomly does it, this way we know why the universe does it, and more importantly, what the universe just does is no longer so unrealistic. the universe is deterministic until you get to the scale of things, we can't observe without altering, (whether or not it is deterministic there cannot be answered with modern science) but quantum mechanics doesn't change people into a completely different person randomly in the way they are proposing.
if being that person already was a prerequisite of being a catalognaut, all the universes would need to do is let you access the conceptual realm, and all you would need for that to be possible according to the ruleset of our system would be for you to embody a concept that you can take the form of within the catalog. the only room my suggestion has for "it just works" handwaving is in the degree of the transubstantiation, the alternative is pure "it just works" and it isn't even consistent with how the system actually works. i think you should have the ability to handwave the minutia away if you create a system that realistically would just work, provided the set of rules you made for it to work within.
>>30430747
votes always made more problems than they were worth. even now, i don't think most people here care about chuubanite, and that's not even considering that the rentry isn't finished yet.

never thought it'd see the day when 4chan lingo like schizos and trolls go hand-in-hand with official vtuber lore
This world is a weird experiment but it's not fruitless

>>30430910
Yeah that works for me
t. warsuner.

>>30430910
I like it, I think having 4 different separate states in a league could be fun.

>>30430747
Yeah I think this works a little better. Most catalognauts would just explode when they turn schzio. Some can escape that fate by expelling most of their chuubanite before that happen. But that's rare. The expelling can be through physically exhausting the chuubanite store within them during a battle or by deliberate conversion, willing or unwilling.

>>30430983
We truly are an autismo singularity

>>30430747
>Worse. What happens when someone, whose entire organic cells are mini reactors, go Chernobyl?
/rushia/ happens. One or multiple of their catalognauts must have went nuclear...

Bump limit btw, here, look at my adorable twink Dragoon wife, everyone.

>>30431080
>>30431163
>You watch as your superpowered childhood friend melts into an elephant foot
>Everything around you morphs and twists into skulls and butterflies from the chuubanite radiation
Writefags... I need a story about a Fandead catalognaut in her last moment onegai

>>30430747
yabs are different from going nuclear. /rushia/ went nuclear, but only because she was dishonorably discharged, the final yab not even cover could cover, so to speak. normal yabs just make chuubanite unstable, so that should be the same for catalognauts.

>>30431376
/nasa/ just shoved theirs inside a reactor as a power source

>>30416082
For the record, there's a stele in every town large enough to be a town. In addition to the prayer, they house an abridged version of the faith and history of /morig/ (the level of abridgment depends on the size). They're like informal religious spaces, usually situated in central squares. The largest ones able to be seen by the public are in the capital (partially defaced and destroyed ages ago in the pastebin incident) and in the courtyard of the Goddess Faithful temple complex. The actual largest stele is deep within the Underworld, at the edge of the forest before the foothill path leading up the mountain. It has everything written on it. Everything.

>>30431423
what specifically happened to /nasa/ has been left so unclear. did /risu/ kill them all? did they take further steps to immigrate culturally to our world? did they make it back into space? me, i choose to believe they used their catalognauts to power their ship and fly away into space. see you, space cowboys.

>>30431000
>>30431073
Done, tell me what you think. WARsuner, yours is the state with Kalianda as the capital.

>>30430961
I must wait for a time, I am phoneposting and my ideas would probably alot more articulate if I had a keyboard but I do think it can work in a way thay solves alot of problems if tweaked and perfected.

>>30432042
I love it, I will start work on the other Holostates now and you can just paste them into your rentry.

>>30431919
>did /risu/ kill them all?
Lol
Lmao even

>>30430961
My interpretation of that suggestion was that large-scale events like yabs cause a lot of fluctuations in the bridge between the physical and heavenly realm, weakening the barrier and narrowing the gap between them. As a result, a concept can travel through the catalog and imprint itself on a person, marking them as a catalognaut. Maybe that's still handwavy, idk.

>>30432820
it sounds like your interpretation only informs us of what the real-life representation of the event would be. it isn't exclusive to any of the interpretations previously stated, so i see it as an entirely separate idea. the only other interpretation besides mine that i saw support for was the randomly caused metamorphosis. your interpretation can explain the trigger out-of universe, but can't explain it in universe, and doesn't even try to explain the metamorphosis. meanwhile, it could be yet another condition of mine that for a catalognaut to be born, they must establish a connection to the conceptual realm during a period of time when their chuubanite is unstable, and thus would allow for a closer connection to be formed. with that being said, i really like that idea. especially since /meat/ is in a constant state of suffering

Baking

>>30432820
>>30433442
also, i guess i forgot to mention in the post, i think your explanation works as a time period for when artificial glyphs can be established. otherwise, it might be too overpowered to be able to make your own concepts and glyphs without any worry. this way, artificial glyphs and catalognauts would work very similarly to each other in that both use instability withing the conceptual realm to force a connection between the conceptual and physical realms which can be used to artificially connect a concept with a glyph, substance, or person and vice versa.

>>30433442
>your interpretation can explain the trigger out-of universe, but can't explain it in universe, and doesn't even try to explain the metamorphosis
Again, maybe I missed it, but I don't think your interpretation has explained the metamorphosis either beyond saying that there are a lot of variables at play. How exactly is one transformed into a catalognaut in your view?

>>30433799
there is no metamorphosis in my interpretation. you have to be born the right way, and you have to think the right way before you can be considered a catalognaut, and those are just a few of the conditions. again, complete transubstantiation is the goal. you want the person to be as similar to the concept they are trying to establish a connection to as possible for the strongest connection to be made, otherwise it couldn't last at all. do you know what transubstantiation is?

>>30433442
Even if the clip catalognaut proposal doesn't quite work, I think the idea of an unseen Harvester would help to explain how someone get chosen for alot of other proposals, it might help here.

>>30434074
i thought we agreed it wouldn't just be clips that caused that link. in fact, i thought >>30432820 was implying it was yabs and possibly yabposters that caused this to happen.

>>30434007
Don't think I've come across the term before, no. But how can you "be born the right way" personality-wise? What if the person receives a disfiguring scar or loses a limb and no longer embodies the chuuba they're anchored to? What if the tragic loss of a family member affects their personality? Do you have to be born a catalognaut and if not, then can you stop being one?

New bread
>>30433786

>>30434196
Yes, you're right, I just kinda used clip catalog as a general term for the concept in general, including the other medias.

>>30434273
>you have to be born the right way, -and- you have to think the right way
i was thinking the primary importance would be the concept, and it was mostly about making the connection. the connection essentially makes you a physical representation of the concept, so if you lose a limb after the connection is formed, the concept is damaged in some way. that doesn't mean they lose the same limb if they are a chuuba, but if enough transubstantiations have the same thing done to them, it will result in doing that thing to the concept. this is the process /meat/ uses for their deiphagy rituals. if you lose a limb before the connection, and it makes you dissimilar enough from the concept you are representing, you can't form the connection. the connection preserves what influence it can have on you, especially in terms of your mind, so if you lose a loved one, the way you respond to it is already the way they would respond to it if they went through the same thing. if transubstantiations had to literally be doing the same thing their chuubas were doing, they would be wholefully maladapted to their environment, as chuubas are in a completely different setting. like a robot with faulty senses making decisions based on a different set of data. your personality is not your mood, with that said, your personality must be the same when the connection is established. same reasoning.

>>30425268
good job
the bears look like normal brown bears by the way.

>>30434273
look up the word transubstantiation. it is a spiritual term. some sects of christianity interpret the bread and wine of christ as a transubstantiation of christ's literal flesh and blood, making the son of god a /meat/head!

>>30435430
also his disciples, and technically his followers who believe in that transubstantiation.

>>30435169
I think I'm beginning to understand now.
>>30435430
Would that make the avatar thing that /luna/ has an example of this? Do they just happen to have extremely regular catalognaut appearances?

>>30433799
also, since the thread is about to die i'll just add this here since nobody will see it. the variables are conditions. things that make it harder for people to become catalognauts. otherwise, anyone vaguely connected to the concept would be able to become a catalognaut. the connection is all that is necessary due to how the conceptual realm works.
>>30435613
transubstantiation is one condition. there are likely more.

>>30435701
i am posting multiple small posts to avoid having my thoughts interrupted by the death of the thread. if /luna/'s avatar acts like a catalognaut, then yes. otherwise, they are just a transubstantiation. with that said, i'd need to know more about it before i can say.

>>30435701
Rather than an on-off thing, wouldn't it make sense to have everyone with a connection be a catalognaut to a degree, albeit very slight for most? Could connections to multiple concepts be made?

>>30435916
no, i don't think that would work. transubstantiation qualifies the person to be the representation of a concept, but to be a catalognaut you need something that can exist without losing itself in the conceptual realm. weakly connected concepts would be torn apart as child concepts. you need to be the embodiment of that concept to use that concept as a vessel. you can only be one concept, but that concept can have child concepts, but if you allow your concept to be polluted at all, the conceptual realm will destroy you. that's how i imagine it.