/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://mobile.twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1387260592545701889
I’m afraid not.

who

>>3033386
There's definitely an announcement AFTER Golden week I hope

>>3033386
It's slow due to Niji EN announcement preparations

>>3033334
You say that every week

This is the week, I'm puttng my dick between Rin's tits this week

>>3033646
This but Nui

>>3033386
Announcements only takes like 30 seconds of work while subtitles take a lot more time, Golden Week is also perfect to ensure every Japanese hears of NijiEN and ensure both Global and Japanese markets support NijiEN

>>3033600
It's different THIS TIME

Are Nijis really excited to have their own group of ENfags who spam and get into petty fights with other ENfags? It's frankly embarrassing to have this associated with Hololive and I can't imagine the Nijis will escape the stench.

>>3033646
>>3033713
You both say this every week

>>3033815
Do you ever get tired of being a self hating cunt?

>>3033988
Do you ever get tired of liking trash with little kids? Apparently not.

>>3033828
The Rin titfucker will get his wish one day

>>3034014
You will never be Japanese. You have no ancestry, you have no citizenship, you have no skills that would make Japan ever want you. You are a shut-in self-hating white man twisted by delusions of mythical Japanese superiority and exposure to Japanese media into a disgusting mockery of nature’s perfection.

All 'validation' you get from other people in this position couldn't be worse in making you believe that spending years of your life learning a globally useless language to a first-grader's level was a worthwhile use of your time, but one can't expect that an individual as pathetic as you will ever know the value of the youth you threw away in doing that.

Actual Japanese are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of linguistic evolution have allowed natives to identify frauds from mannerisms and vocabulary alone. Even if your written text of self-hatred and attention begging akin to a stray dog's somehow passes as normal (it won't), any Japanese person will immediately cut all ties when they hear the voice and accent of someone who is not only a basic Japanese speaker at best, but worth no more than garbage in skills, accomplishments, and likeability.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile and laugh to yourself believing that watching a content creator that you understand 20% of at best is somehow superior than watching your own kind, as you project your disgusting traits onto your entire kind. However, deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight, and you know that. You know that all you do now is have an entirely new linguistic medium in which to be ignored, and not even the exotic trait of being foreign makes up for just how uninteresting of a person you are.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Western man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably Caucasian.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back. Hate yourself and apologize for being white to some Japanese entity that exists only in your mind while actual Japanese people put in effort to learn English for the valid reason of it being the global language.

3034064 (No You 4 U)
This guy is the type of copy pasta fag you guys are getting. Enjoy.

>>3033815
I'm excited about chuubas not the cancer audience

>>3033646
This but Lulu

>>3034377
My condolences, I know she's probably heading your way right now but I've never seen anyone survive that

>>3034179
This. I only watch the English ones.

>>3034463
There’s no better way to die though

>>3033828
NijiEN will get announced when they both get their wish granted

>>3033815
I just want more EN vtubers because I can't be bothered to learn japanese

>>3033815
Hopefully they will not be popular enough for that

I wonder how many members the first wave will have, and if there'll be boys

>>3037128
I would say at lest more then 3 members and one of them being a dude.

My guess would be 5 members one Male or maybe 6 members 2 males.

>>3037128
if there's male it will be DOA

>>3037404
I think with Nijisanji, males are an inevitability.

>>3037128
I expect something similar to first JP gens with 8-10 people. And boys for sure, there's literally no reason to not include them.

>>3037382
Anything less than 5 members shows absolutely no confidence in the EN branch and nobody will treat it seriously in the west, with Vshojo and HoloEN they need to make a bigger impact from the get go

>>3037382
5-1 ratio is bad, they need at least 2 or 3 guys to have him not isolated, especially is he's good at games, people will start bitching that he has to endure collabing with the girls who sucks at game and drag him down and also go on a rotation model to stop rrats from spreading because he doesn't play with a specific girl. If he has another male companion you can get a mix of male-female collabs with less pressure on and dudebros playing games at a higher skill level

>>3037128
I add that I don't see at all Ichikara itself even thinking about that sort of stuff. Both the size of the generation and the presence of males. I don't see them playing into expectations of the audience but rather a company for the vtubers instead.

>>3037128
I expect 7-man wave with 4 female 3 male

I expect 20 chuubas and I won't take any less

>>3039031
Okay I agree with that.
My thought process was that the Male could collab with boys from ID. But desu I know jack shit about Nijisanji ID so maybe that was a dumb opinion.
I still believe there would be more females then males though, since males at the moment, aren't that popular in English.
Maybe 5-2 or 6-3

>>3039391

>>3037128
I read how menhera the first wave will be, I need to get off this godforsaken site

>>3037128
3 members. All girls. No different than any english speaking chuuba indie or company based

>>3037128
All-male group

>>3039736
I can't wait for each of them to fuck a holoEN live
Truly Nijisanji knows how to win a competence

>>3033334
Good shit op, I don't even care anymore.

>>3037404
Niji doesn't pretend to be an idol agency retard chama.

>>3039607
What even the chuubas that are different from other English chuubas are? Even with how underdeveloped the fad is the disctribution is probably around the same to what it is in the JP part of the Internet or even more catered to your tastes game choose wise.

Would you watch him if he debuted as EN gen 1?

>>3040641
It's a girl, anon...

>>3040669
>だがバーチャルの世界に、彼にかなう存在はいなかった。
>彼
It's a dude.

>>3040825
The very first NijiJP gen has Aki.
That armour thing has to be a sweet girl as well. I believe.

>>3033815
It's /v/ consolewar faggot

>>3034377
Big dekai
Aaaaaaaaah

>>3040641
Yes but hed better not have a faggot zero charisma, low testosterone voice

>>3033334
>This is the week, they are getting announced this week
It will be more KR news

>>3037128
>I wonder how many members the first wave will have, and if there'll be boys
5 girls
2 guys
All nigs

>>3033815
Am I excited to bait more (You)s?
Does the pope shit in the woods?

>>3041132
I mean, they tend to have lower voices, so it's at least pleasant to listen to.

>>3041222
CJ? WTF are you doing here?

>>3033815
Does Nijisanji have a problem with their chuubas fighting in public? I don’t watch too many of them so I don’t really know the big picture with them

>>3041379
Not in public... not in public

>>3041379
>MUH PATENTED ACCENT

I think they really do have to debut their EN branch this coming month or they might be screwed. Assuming Holo Vsingers is an actual off-shoot gen like gamers and takes the standard 4-5 months to debut, they might get announced in June. And then HoloEN 2 would probably debut in August to avoid being in the same month as EN1's anniversary. So from June to August, Hololive would basically have monopoly on all chuuba hype. Any vtuber debuting between those months are gonna get slaughtered. Debuting after EN2 might not be an option either since that would be putting too much pressure on their 1st gen to much up with EN2 and Vsingers. There is also the Vshojo dilemma. Despite what the autist here say, Vshojo is gaining traction with the western audience and are pretty much the de facto no. 2 company to Hololive. The longer Ichikara waits the smaller their possible mindshare gets.

Whoever is managing their international branches (assuming there's a head honcho who oversees Ichikara's overall international strategy) is a fucking dumbass. Niji Taipei and Niji Shanghai got folded. Niji IN flopped, got rebranded to EN when they could have been the first to the market with a real EN branch and finally got folded. Both Niji ID and Niji KR surviving because of 1 or 2 chuubas carrying them but the rest are pretty much dead weight. Anya has more subs and viewers than Hana which tells you all you need to know. VirtuaReal is really their only saving grace internationally and that's more to do with Bilibili than anything.

>>3041533
Nijisanji shouldn’t even bother with expending too much resources on foreign audiences, just stick with investing into the main branch. Sure there’s a ton of money to be made by EOP paypigs, but you can just do that by putting money into good translators for main branch members

>>3041610
The problem anon is that they did try to do that too. They have a dedicated channel for translated clips, employed actual translators to create videos, and even bought youtube ads. And none of that even made a dent. Their international strategy just doesn't seem to catch on. Maybe it's because they've spread themselves to thin by opening so many international branches without actually having a solid plan to market them.

Honestly, they should have never opened the IN and KR branches since those markets are just not receptive to vtubers. They should've rode Hana's sudden burst of popularity last year and avoided flooding the ID market with so many chuubas. And if they really couldn't be first in the EN market than the least they could have done was fast track their own EN branch, especially back in October when everyone was not happy with Cover management. Aloe had graduated not too long ago and the Taiwan arc was just starting and no one knew how cover was going to handle the Coco situation. They could have positioned themselves as an alternative company that had competent management. And don't tell me that they're not petty enough to do it since thats exactly what they did when Aloe graduated (their PR statement about dealing with antis).

>>3041533
Even in the KR case, its JOPs saving the branch (Apex addicts)
>>3041610
At least concerning EN I can imagine there's a lot of pressure from their investors to at least try, seeing how successful Hololive was.

>>3041533
According to Google trends Niji were five times less populars overseas during the debut of HoloEN. Now it's 12.
Also, why would you as a viewer care about all that?

>>3041999
Oh yeah I kinda forgot about that channel. I think one way they could go about making themselves more prominent in the market would be to make a deal with popular clippers to try and promote a EN branch. Though that too could backfire pretty bad.

>>3042066
IN2 got more hype than Niji EN auditions as far as twitter goes at the time.

>>3041533
What went on with Niji shanghai and Taipei? Did they have any notable vtubers?

>>3042066
Im just looking at it from a business POV. Although it kinda does annoy me when companies, especially ones who are suppose to be industry leaders, make so many dumb decisions. Its like watching JR Smith play basketball. I know that I'm nowhere near the player that he is but goddamn if he doesn't annoy me with all the dumbass plays that he does. I think I almost had an aneurysm back in the 2018 finals

>>3042180
Indonesia is ID, IN is India.

>>3040641
If they get the right voice for it. Also I wonder if there's a helmetless version.

>>3042066
Nijisanji fans want Nijisanji to succeed. It's only natural that they'd feel frustrated when the business side of things fails to make that happen.

>>3042188
No one from either branch caught on from what I know. They got rebranded as VEgo and might have been bought out by another company I think (not sure). Either way, they ultimately got shut down.

>>3042313
I think that would depend a lot on the character's lore and the direction the person playing it wants to take (if that characters debuts in the first place).
It's Ebio's "brother" by the way, same artist.

>>3042364
I think they were originally another pre-existing vtuber company that Ichikara formed a partnership with for them to become Nijisanji branches and that got partnership got terminated following which it became vego and shortly thereafter closed down.

>>3040641
I prefer an avatar like this over the usual fujoshit designs, that kind of stuff wont fly in the western community for sure. The only real problem is how limited the expressions are going to be. One idea I had was eye glow increasing while speaking

>>3042407
Oh it's by fucking k-suwabe. No wonder why it looked so familiar.

>>3042488
By transforming just the pupils alone they can get a pretty wide range of expressions. Probably that's what the designer was driven by.

>>3042488
I don't think there are really many Nijisanji male designs that look like they are targeted explicitly at that audience to begin with. Most of them just look like relatively normal anime males that could be in any normal show.

>>3042075
EN audience is a dead end for Nijisanji and no amount of corporate tricks will fix it. Most popular viral clips aside from the Matsuri band aid clips were 1:miko saying nigga 2:miko boat 3:miko STAY HOME. EN weeb audience has incredibly low attention span and will only catch on girls who speak mostly in cute noises. Nijisanji doesn't have many girls who thrive on that (like poggu poggu dansu). There was Gibara who got famous by monkey noises and she stopped steaming for a year and eventually graduated so they don't even have that.

>>3041610
Most Nijisanji girls care more about Chinese audience than English audience anyway. Like you go see their Bilibili accounts and might see entire streams (sometimes even 2-3 hours long) completely subbed in Chinese.

>>3042572
I wouldn't say that when most of the top dogs (KZH, Kanae, Mayuzumi, Hayato, Fuwachi) have designs that cater to the fujoshi audience.
At least for the first wave EN males should go for manly looking designs (like pic related, yes even a quirky-ass toon like Chaika) over pretty boys to kill the "male vtubers need to pander to women in order to survive" meme. The problem with fujo designs is that even if the guy behind the avatar is genuinely cool most western viewers feel like gay watching them. A design like Wolfgang's is surely enough to capture both audiences.

>>3041132
based

>>3042948
I hate how Americans are self-conscious about the most petty shit. Pretty boys are the prettiest girls!

>>3042948
Your mistake is thinking that designs that appeal to fujoshi still consist of blatant 90s BL archetypes in their character designs. Manly men in BL have a big audience nowadays, and you can see this with muscles becoming more prominent in fujo-pandering anime and manga. For example, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Golden Kamuy both have an inordinately large fujoshi fanbase. If a male is attractive in a general sense, it'll be appealing to fujoshi, and all of the Niji males you mentioned definitely hit the mark. ChroNoir and Meshers in particularly absolutely have a large fujoshi audience. To say that a design shouldn't fujo pander is equivalent to saying that all the males should just be ugly, because that is the only way they won't find themselves appealing to that sort of audience. It's also funny that you use Maimoto as an example of a character design that isn't fujo-pandering when an actual BL artist drew him. I'm sure men who watch Maimoto and Yashiro for that matter don't think of themselves as faggots so your worries come across as rather unfounded to me.

>>3042948
I don't think most of those designs you mention really cater explicitly to that audience at all. I think they are just fairly normal looking attractive anime characters that wouldn't look out of place in a show targeted at a general audience. In fact I think that is part of the reason they can be so successful, they don't go so far as to put off regular viewers while also being attractive enough that girls can salivate.

>>3033815
Watch as one of the EN talents (somehow) blow up and outgrow their JP predecessors that built the brand in relatively short time. Jp nijifags won't have any of that and would probably bully them out of the company for undeserved success. Wish that was the case with hololive though.

>>3042948
I’ve never seen people react so autistically over youthfully attractive male anime characters like they do over youthfully attractive male vtubers

>>3044133
Didn't hana already do it

>>3044608
I'd say it's because a lot of people use vtubers as a substitute for a girlfriend. Ergo, if they watch an attractive male vtuber they must be faggots.

>>3044663
Sounds like a mental illness problem.

>>3044133
At most they'll beat those that still haven't reached 50k

please let there be a male who does ASMR
i'm begging

>>3044637
Bora is bigger than a number of the 1st and 2nd gen Nijis too.

If Hana can get 229k subs as a NijiID, isn't it reasonable to assume that NijiEN could easily surpass that? If they can all get at least that many subscribers they should be fine.

>>3044712
On the mental illness board? How bizarre.

>>3045313
The only reason Hana got there is because of Mick Gordon, without Mick Gordon NijiID would've gone the ways of NijiIN long before the announcement of NijiEN

>>3045374
Not really.
>>3045313
Hana got somewhat big because she filled the niche of english-speaking vtuber even before holo ID existed. At one point she was the largest English speaking vtuber, save for Natsumi Moe, but Moe had lost her gas a while back. Her growth took a blow after that, and an even bigger one after holoEN.

>>3045472
The streams with her dad also gave her a huge boost. To the point where Hana got depressed when people kept asking for her dad.

>>3045374
Hana got big becuase of a few things. Firstly, she was basically the first en-speaking chuuba to play more western appealing games, like Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. Also her dad is a hilarious motherfucker and helped her a lot in those streams, mainly through clips of their interactions.

She's also moderately entertaining on her own. But now she's playing some weird Playstation 2 MMO that no one gives a fuck about, so there's that.

>>3041999
>>3041533
Their business model and contents will never catch on because EOPs only want GFE vtuber and the market is small and niche that hololive's girls are enough for that

I change my mind. I think NijiEN will be big.

>>3048976
Get a NijiEN male who just acts as close to a traditional male streamer as possible but with an anime avatar. There you go.
>>3045521
I only know about her from clips being recommended and yea, those had her dad being the focus.

Why is there nijiEN thread everyday when nobody cares about niji in the west?

>announces Nijisanji Thailand
Heh

>>3045912
Hana is my oshi and it's hard for even me to watch PSO streams. MMOs are just not good stream material.

>>3049825
>All tranies wave
Finally, a true final yab for this board

>>3049284
>who just acts as close to a traditional male streamer as possible but with an anime avatar.
This, I’ve checked out some English speaking male vtubers before out of curiosity and I couldn’t stand the English anime dub thing they tend to put on

>>3049284
>>3051577
People like Dream and Corpse, somewhat prove that male streamers with avatars can work.

They also prove that if a male wanted to go the whole virtual boyfriend/idol route it could work out too, since they both have fanbases that are mad horny for them.

>>3045374
Mick Gordon sped up Hana's sub to 100k, but even before that Hana is already way higher than her friends in the group. Even without him she will still be successful as there's so much viral clip about her back in the day

>>3052474
>People like Dream and Corpse, somewhat prove that male streamers with avatars can work.
My post didn't say they don't work tho?
>Get a NijiEN male who just acts as close to a traditional male streamer as possible but with an anime avatar. There you go.
For girls, its ok to act cute if you have an avatar because its a whole lot less annoying when you act cute with an anime girl avatar compared to being a RL girl. For guys, just be a normal traditional streamer but have an anime avatar. If you try to act like an anime character, its cringy with or without an avatar.
>>3052474
>They also prove that if a male wanted to go the whole virtual boyfriend/idol route
You just look at Kuzuha and Kanae who even have a ChroNoir business couple thing going on like KPOP. They've even got a decently sized EN fujoshi fanbase.
>>3049536
Some anon probably actually applied.

>>3048976
They still have a chance to gain an audience, but that might involve outside circumstances as well. If let's say a FOTM game boomed around the time NijiEN debuts, and at least one or a couple of talents went completely autistic and competent in that said game, then they might take off, or be able to produce content neither Hololive or Vshojo were able to do. At the end of the day, their success will depend on the talents themselves and assuming clipniggers magically start getting tons of views by clipping their stream, those fuckers know how to abuse the algo, look at Uto.

I don't even care if they are bad or not I just want them fucking RELEASED ALREACY!!!!!

>>3056950
>ALREACY!!!!!

>Still no announcement
Welp, that's it, next week HoloBand EN debuts, whatever Ichikara has saved for NijiEN is gonna be forgotten quicker than NijiIN

>>3042948
>The problem with fujo designs is that even if the guy behind the avatar is genuinely cool most western viewers feel like gay watching them.
exactly why i don't watch holostars oga
kanae has broken through that barrier though, feels more like a bants king bro than fujobait

>>3056914
>look at Uto
Uto literally had hololive's name in it

>>3042075
>>3042180
>>3041533
Stop trying to make Nijisanji a reality in the west. You all can make all the theories and decisions about what they should do. It won't happen because Hololive already got that dent since 2019. There's no space in this market for another agency on that size, be it Nijisanji or any other japanese agency if the others ever try to expand.

They can get NijiEN a success but that never will translated to other branches.

>>3042321
I'm pretty sure those are hololive fans talking. I see a lot of those who don't watch nijisanji and only talk about them for either business decisions, numbers or to talk bad about them comparing to hololive. discordfags love this bs.

>>3042948
>>3057119
>problem
your sexual insecurity means nothing. kanae and kuzuha have more male viewers than female viewers. no one on this board truly watches them anyway, all you see is the pretty face and bait clips and judge them on that basis.
there is literally nothing wrong with having an aesthetically pleasing male avatar, it isn't the debuff you've deluded yourself into thinking it is.

>>3058671
There's a bunch of holofags numberfagging and armchair CEOing about how to make Nijisanji "succesful" as if a lot of the current international success of Hololive were a master stroke of competent management and enterpreneurship when they basically stumbled into success by accident (and a lot of it owing to striking the fancy of the now-so-despised Chinese, which lead to the clip channels and the Azur Lane collab; and the viral clips Miko saying nigger, stay home - right as the coof had everyone locked up - and some retard using bandaids for a bra). All while the same management continues to fuck up repeatedly.
It's basically console wars: V-tuber edition.

>>3058671
I DON'T CARE ABOUT NUMBAHS I JUST WANT CHUUBAS

>>3059521
this. they were pretty even back then but somehow hololive inclined much more thanks to chinks.

>>3059521
This would be funny if not for the fact that Niji had multiple chances to court the western audience. Don't forget that Hololive copied their EN branch except you know they didn't try to pass off rebranded pajeets as an official EN branch.

>>3062511
No dumbass, the IN -> EN rebranding happened in June 2020. HoloEN auditions closed off at the end of May 2020.

>>3042180
Comparing the announcement of the characters to the announcement that auditions are opening isn't really comparing like with like although I don't know which is getting the poor deal. What did the ID2's auditions open tweet get?

>>3063158
If you wanted to compare like for like NijiEN auditions got more hype than HoloEN.

Nijien gonna btfo holoen so much, i heard they got mrbeast and Markass Brownnigger for male chuubas

>>3063592
that's the dumbest rrrrat I've ever seen.

>>3059521
Niji stumbled into the same EOP audience just like hololive did. Back in October 2019 when I started watching clips, my first ones were from Hololive, but soon I got recommended Niji stuff and got into that. Back then there was a bunch of dedicated niji clippers already, very likely making as many or even more clips as hololive had with Lyger and sons. I gave a shot at a bunch of Nijis such as Sasaki, Gibara, Himawari, Ange, Ars... And I bet a bunch of EOPs did the same. I remember when Ars streamed minecraft late in the night and EOPs were there spamming her chat with "big face" or some other shit and saviorfags being as much obnoxious as them. I remember Ange getting a couple of English superchats in her morning streams.
Well, I don't blame niji for not paying attention to the english crowd back then, they were at the top of their game in Japan already and not a single Japanese person could ever predict that there was so much potential in the EN market. When they did realize it though, it was too late already.

>>3064366
Don't forget concrete road

I bet Ichikawa's really regretting they didn't capitalize on things back then

>>3062511
>>3064366
>Niji had multiple chances to court the western audience.
EOPs never like niji's contents, they only like anime GFE and uguu kawaii anime girl, niji has none of them

>>3064366
I agree with this. Although to be honest, Nijisanji can go and survive for years without eops with their popularity in JP alone. Even hololive would if they never had any eops.

>>3064531
in the beginning period they did, a lot of the western audience started out watching gibara and mito clips along with miko and fbk

>>3064366
>Well, I don't blame niji for not paying attention to the english crowd back then, they were at the top of their game in Japan already and not a single Japanese person could ever predict that there was so much potential in the EN market. When they did realize it though, it was too late already.
Nijisanji(as company) likes eng market yes but most of their vtubers don't care

Why is this even a thread? Hololive owns this board, AND the west. Fuck off, nijiniggers. No one wants you.

>>3064809
Vshojo is about to swallow en whole

>>3033334
what happened to ninji IND

>>3064574
There's only four or five Gibara clips and none of them ever hear of Mito, she only gained some attention much later, around mid-late 2020

>>3049284
>>3051577
I actually disagree very strongly with this. I agree that anime dub shit is holding male EN's back though.

If people want to watch a male streamer, they'd probably just watch a regular male streamer. a better idea is less anime dub and more cartoon character. I mean imagine if some one made an Invader Zim Vtuber?

>>3064366
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-bAhlHSBrH2IThtKUTGDEA/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/user/Zestyable/videos
Roa TL now a hololive
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCymH8aoSvVEt4HPPIVhSfnA/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv-ANJXs863Rdv7f3ghOHAA/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaERqwRBOQjmyjTeFigJWWA/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu4piN4Leic7ByEf7jI51vQ/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/c/KanameTranslations/videos
homostar subber now
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjmv_PvfJoK2mmYEMwyG_Nw/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/c/DenZero/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIsIcMDiVtzlhh2AEN-XfLA/videos
dead
>https://www.youtube.com/user/PhantomThiefXI/videos
dead. loves horse pussy
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb2VMpE-O4l29kF1bmcGkog/videos
dead

I feel bad now. I blame the chinks especially hololive moments

>>3065281
Isn't the Ars subber still at it?

>>3034064
>Japanese people put in effort to learn English
This is the only part of the pasta that bothers me, because it's false.

I hate HoloEN so I will falseflag as a nijiEN fag to shit on them. I might watch one or two to seem more credible. Should keep HoloEN fags out of threads I like.

>>3065759
Based and mentally healthy-pilled.

>>3065281
Yeah. All of them and a bunch more died. Just when EOPs started realizing that Nijis didn't give a shit to them and started to move on, chinks such as Hololive Moments started pumping out not just clips, but memes, artwork and general engagement at full strength.
Chinks probably just wanted to boost their oshi's numbers and used EOPs for that, they only didn't know that these same EOPs would be their demise and Cover's way out of China. As >>3059521 said, chinks basically did Cover's job with early brand engagement, and then the company realized the potential and picked up from there.

>>3065254
Heavy roleplay is one thing as long as you’re good at it, but just putting on a mediocre white guy anime dub voice puts me off

>>3065254
>If people want to watch a male streamer, they'd probably just watch a regular male streamer.
Yeah, and being anime doesn't detract from you being a normal dude. There's no need to lean into it. If someone appreciates the anime aspect, it's a bonus.

>>3065254
>cartoon character
You made me think of Oneyplays for some reason, and made me hope we get a vtuber version of psychicpebbles one day

>>3064366
>>3064574
It wasn't the same EOP audience at all. The volume of people was nowhere near it - the lockdown EOPs are far bigger in numbers. None of them had as many clips as Hololive neither did they went as viral at such convenient timing.

First there's the Azur Lane Collab. It was Azur Lane devs who went to Hololive for the collab because they were already big in China (at the top of Billi Billi viewership) and they were fighting with Warship Girls for roughly the same market. The collab came out on the English server right as Azur Lane was exploding in popularity overseas. That first boost in EOP audience came not from clip-viewers but from Gacha addicts. Cover had no hand in AL's international success.

There was a handful of clips for each of the most famous Nijisanji livers - meanwhile HL had an entire collection of chinese clips machine-translated into English by fans posing as official translators (remember that Hololive Moments had more subs than Hololive's official channel) together with tons of chinese memes.
None of this was Cover's management doing other than giving the okay to chinese fans to manage their official billibilli fanpage (which, considering the events that transpired in 2020, can be argued to be actually a dumb move).

Neither were they responsible for Fubuki's shitposting scatman and Just do it videos going viral.

Then It wasn't cover excellent international marketing strategy that made content starved anitubers start making Vtuber react to viral vtuber videos that helped to push their popularity even further among weebs either.

It also wasn't cover's brilliang management that led to Mel, Towa and Aloe's situation hitting drama-tubers, which led to run-of-the-mill EOP savior-fagging for them.

Then there was like 5 clips of Miko's GTA5 playthrough saying "stay home" on youtube from when it happened, then there's react videos or other shit. They combined have more than 2 million views - that's just the first page of search on youtube and not counting reuploads on other sites/twitter. Not long before it there was also the clip of Miko saying nigger going viral - which I'm sure would have been deleted and have every clip be DMCAd by now accompained by Miko taking a break after apologizing if hey really cared about their international image.

It also wasn't cover's idea to have Korone play Doom speaking broken-English like an autistic 5 year old right as the "cute <anime-girl stereotype> noises" meme was hitting normie land a couple years too late and Doom was about to experience a popularity revival either.

It wasn't Cover's idea to have Artia join the Hololive Subreddit and fan Discords, neither was their idea to have Coco do the same two months later. Also, for as much credit as they can get for hiring Coco as a talent instead of as management, they still clamped down on her highly popular Asacoco content which was loved by EOPs and the reddit Meme review that brought even more EOPs was her idea alone.

Even when it comes to the ID branch, It wasn't cover genius marketing that made Pekora and Moona happen, nor they were behind Risu's NNN shitposting last year or Iofi's langauge skills allowing her to be part of the collab-circle of bilingual Vtubers that were growing an audience while Cover was preparing for EN's debut.

When it comes to their international success, Cover's management greatest merit was in chosing great talent; not getting in the way of the international fans (mostly out of necessity initially as their foothold on the JP market wasn't that big and the CN market saved their hides); and looking at numbers, realizing that their non-asian audiences balooned between December 2019 and March 2020 and finally deciding to set up an English-language branch.

So it's is really bizarre hearing people say that Ichikara "failed to capitalize" on the international audiences and that they should do/have done what Cover did, when they never had the sheer ammount of "happy accidents" make them reach an international audience like it happened to Hololive.

>>3064925
Dead, burning as I write this, Ichikara's will be announcing HoloEN's members while their bodies are still warm

>>3065254
Here's an idea: do both and see which one sticks, focus on the one that worked but listen carefully if the one that failed was because there was no audience or because he wasn't good

>>3068136
Holy mother of truthpill, this made me realize people are giving Cover more credit than deserved.

>>3045472
>Natsumi Moe
I'm surprised she isn't more popular. Seems to do everything that both Holo EN and VShojo do.

>>3033334
NijiEN should be Twitch exclusive

>>3075132
And they should be BTTV emote users.

I think ichikara should hire me for nijiEN, I'll verbally spam twitch emotes, post-ironic humor, and react to trending videos. I've got the winning formula bros, watch me

>>3074816
Collabs once in a blue moon and when she does it's someone with like 10k followers
Not saying she should change how she works, but the others depend a lot on crosspolination to up their followers count

RELEASE THE FUCKING VTUBERS ALREADY AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE

>>3034064
China will never be successful

>>3064873
This post won't age well.

>>3068136
Luck is always part of the equation in terms of business success. And one could argue that Covers ability to hire those specific people to play those specific characters who went on to do those specific things that you mentioned can not be overstated. Hololive and Nijisanji both had branches in China and yet it was Hololive who was able to capture the chinese gachikoi which would allow hololive to collab with AL. And those same chinks would also spread the word to the burgers in the west. And even then if Korone, Miko, and FBK never engaged with the EN crowd, they would have left just like they did when Rin got her boost from pewdiepie and then proceeded to filter them by playing FFIX nonstop.

Compare that to how Nijisanji hires their talent. Ichikara has been known in the past to hire people in bulk. And their lax way of hiring and managing talent has allowed a couple of undesirables like Meiro and Raito to get hired. Not to mention so many of the talent who are at the bottom are allowed to just do whatever when they should honestly be obligated to stream at least 3x a week to actually develop a fanbase. Honestly, if Coco had applied as a manager for Nijisanji, they probably would have hired her as a manager and nothing more so they wouldn't have gotten an asacoco boost either.

>>3068136
This entire post is just some incredibly bizarre cope. Like sure cover clearly didn't plan for hololive to get this popular overseas nor are they masterminds but even if it basically comes down to mere luck they are much farther ahead than Ichikara when it comes to international success, that much is clear.

>>3068136
>>3077070
Anons... There's no "Holo was already big in China" or "Holo was the one who was able to capture the chinese gachikoi" as if it just happened by accident or some unique property. Holo went for CN because Niji was dominant in JP and they didn't have any other market to go to, so they followed the money. NijiJP felt no need to pander to CN, so they didn't. When your demographic gets pandered to, people watch you more.

I mean, I guess if you count engaging with a specific demographic because they're paying you as "specific characters doing specific things" then sure.

>>3077593
Which basically brings us to a chicken or egg situation. Was Cover lucky to have gotten the chinks attention? Or was it Cover aiming specifically to get the Chink audience? The former means that they lucked out and that would segway to my point of how insanely good Covers scouting team is. If it's the latter then Cover did a heads up business move that seemingly no other Chuuba company had realized at the time (aiming for the overseas market when the domestic market is already oversaturated)

I hope we get someone like Chi-chan. Just comfy Apex streams every day.

>>3077593
No you don't understand it was all luck!

>>3079442
Well, he was right. Hololive success is literally just luck and meme. And legions of chink and seanigger clipper.

>>3079815
Anon, I don't think any of us is arguing that luck had nothing to do with Hololive's success since we all know luck was the only reason why Hololive was even alive long enough to be a thing (Sora's christmas miracle). At this point, we're really only debating as to how much luck was involved and how much kudos the talent and management should get.

Think of it this way: If a company like Re:Act, 774, etc were put in the same position as Cover was back in 2019-2020 would they have the same success as Cover has right now? Some anons might say yes but I would argue that it's really not that easy since we already have examples of that happening in the past. Upd8 who was at a time synonymous with vtubing and at one point not only had the most popular vtuber on the planet (Ai) but also had an insane roster of talent (which they never made use of). And then there's also Unlimited and GameBu who in their heyday had a legitimate claim to being the 2nd most popular vtubing company in JP. Both of them are now dead. Everyone needs a lucky break or two to make it big but not everyone knows how to make the most out of it.

what is the probability of there being a male, give me the cold hard truth so i can stop getting my hopes up

>>3080603
like... 0.0001%

>>3080603
Considering all of their other foreign branches had a male in the first gen I'd say rather high.

>>3080603
Almost guaranteed.

>>3077593
>NijiJP felt no need to pander to CN, so they didn't
Wasn't VirtuaReal launched before Cover but adopted their same strategy? Or the Nijisanji Shanghai or whatever? Hololive CN was late, but still blowed up there.

>>3033334
>this is what Mormons actually believe

>>3082790
NijiJP does pander to China. There's members on Bilibili who sometimes upload hours-long streams fully subbed. Lize knows Mandarin and actually interacts with them on streams

>>3059521
>holofags
>as if a lot of the current international success of Hololive were a master stroke of competent management and enterpreneurship
Literally no holofag here believes this. things_cover_should_do.txt exists for a reason.

>>3082942
My point. Nijisanji was there before, and they also pandered to China, but in the end it was Hololive who won by reasons I believe are explained in >>3065920

Looking at this thread, I think Cover's "strategies" and luck would be an interesting business analysis.

>>3077070
True. BTS lucked out their popularity in their early years and look at them now.

>>3083357
You're lucky you're saying this here and not on Twitter, you'd get a horde of angry teenager girls after you otherwise.

What are the chances the EN branch gets the ID treatment from Niji?

>>3083531
Zero. Niji wants the sweet EOP audience. But it'll depend on their talents.

>>3083531
Do you mean IN (India)? ID is doing ok.

>>3083531
like every business, if they make money it will stay, if not, they will close the shop. what do you thing? they are doing charity or what

>>3083531
when it shows no signs of growth like everything else they've done to market towards EOPs then yeah, they'll be forgotten about, probably spat on by managers

>>3083531
It's getting the same treatment as every other foreign branch

>>3077070
why the low ones should have obligations like that? They probably joined in there because they can do it in the first place alongside their job.

>>3080338
A hololive comparison with another jp agency not being nijisanji in the west. Impressive, that's extremely rare to happen.

>>3083779
that's probably why id and kr closed

>>3084381
Neither of them closed and KR just got a new wave announced, what are you talking about?

>>3084650
He's obviously being sarcastic.

>>3083531
If nothing else, it seems like there's more global communication now. Before IN got the axe, they made a Reddit meme review video that played during the Nijifes livestream. KR and even VirtuaReal were highlighted too

Part of me wants to believe that the fact EN are new vtubers means viewership will already be better than ID. But it obviously depends on how well they (the company and the livers) hype up the debuts. And then of course the question of whether or not they'll be interesting enough to maintain viewership

Nijisanji want to wait until HoloEN 2 debut to release NijiEN. Just like what they did with gen 5. Nijisanji love competition.

>>3087280
>Part of me wants to believe that the fact EN are new vtubers means viewership will already be better than ID
There's no fanbase in the west, may be few hundreds, just look at their official channel

>>3068136
>Mel, Towa and Aloe's situation hitting drama-tubers
You can leave out Mel and Towa's situation. Those two incidents didn't get much attention from drama tubers or non-JPs. Most of Towa's early EOP/ESL fanbase were anons from /jp/ and most new Holofags weren't here for the yab and how it was also accompanied with teaming allegations. Also, some newfags think it pruned away unloyal Towa fans but she barely had any fans to prune when it happened. Both she and Luna were not doing good early on.

>>3084199
Because it's still a job, which has obligations. Have you ever heard of a company hiring part-time workers who showed up once in a blue moon but still counted as an employee? I would be suspicious that the company's real business is money laundering.

>>3089348
ChroNoir has some EN fujos like utaites do.
>>3065254
Kuzuha's the most popular male vtuber and he just acts like normal dude streamer except with a hot guy avatar. Girls using cuter voices is good when they have an anime avatar but I don't know if a guy becoming more "anime" has the same appeal.

TOO MANY VTUBERS, NOT ENOUGH VTUBER FANS/VIEWERS.

>>3089398
>and how it was also accompanied with teaming allegations.
What's this bit?

>>3089597
Some JPs when they heard the male voices thought/claimed those were voices from other people in the game who weren't on her team. Teaming is essentially teaming up with an opponent. Dumb allegation by trolls who just wanted to add more oil to the fire but girls playing FPS will also be under more scrutiny.

>>3044133
>>3033815
You will never be japanese

>>3089592
They wont stop until the whole world is vtubers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCAYHRD8A0U

>>3068136

well when you put it that way anon, with the back to back to back to back to back to back to back strings of good luck, god himself must have reached down from on high and decreed, 'Cover will succeed, fuck Ichikara'.

>>3083531
Feel like Niji will get some audience just because they are at least known as a competitor to Hololive, even if people are negative. It will be up to the libers to turn those people into repeat viewers though.

>>3068136
>Cover didn't do anything, they just got lucky with the majority of their talents achieving breakout success
At some point you're going to need to stop coping and face the facts; it's not "luck" that determined Hololives breakout success compared to Nijisanji, it's the difference in talent quality.

>>3033334
your eop community...

>>3091149
Yet for all that quality talent the people that actually understand the language they are speaking natively seem to prefer Nijisanji.

>>3091309
Yeah yeah get that cope out of your system

>>3091364
holocope, nips will always choose niji

Rip Nijien, already got destroyed before debut

>>3090484
The god favor those who remains pure and chaste!

>>3091634
If being trapped inside a dying economy makes you happy than feel free to cope about it as much as you want

>>3092073
Man, the annual report can come fast enough for numbers thread shipostting

>>3091149
Talent quality is completely subjective. The fact is it's thanks to chinese clipper that made the wave of clips going viral and make youtube algorithm favored Holo all the way making them the biggest bubble of vtuber

>>3092335
>bubble
Jesus

>>3091149
>Talent quality.
None of the ""Idol""" in Hololive are good in doing idol thing. The only one good in singing are Sora, Azki and Suisei. And guess what, none of them are popular. And the most popular vtuber in Holo, Pekora, Aqua, Korone, and Miko are popular simply because they act like retarded baby and chink and seanigger love that. That is not fucking talent unless you consider acting like a baby with down syndrome as a talent.

>>3092484
>And the most popular vtuber in Holo, Pekora, Aqua, Korone, and Miko are popular simply because they act like retarded baby
Just how new are you? You don't watch streams, you don't read threads, and I'm pretty sure you have a shallow folder. Are you even on the right board?

>>3091149
lole have a (You)

>>3092565
Just a troll, looks like he responded twice in a row to the same post going by how blatantly ESL they both are.

>>3078404
>Just comfy Apex streams every day.
FAQ!

>>3089398
The info on Mel’s situation dropped in mid-May, right when global interest was really taking off. Out of all the events to saviorfag over you would think an actual stalker incident would be up near the top of the list but for all of that, Mel merely gained an additional 10k subs over the next month compared to her prior baseline. The big boost didn’t happen until she actually returned to streaming, turns out saviorfags won’t willingly put out for free, they want something in return first.

>>3091149
Holy shit he actually thinks that's true

>>3095495
Nijiseethe

We can at least all agree that the entirety of the niggersanji viewership HATES vtubers, right?

>mel
>roa
>meiro
>that one scam call guy
>ID
>aloe

The list of their victims goes on.

>>3095416
Did she even get that big a boost? It happening when global interest was taking off means nothing unless something goes viral like Aloe's incident or Aki's subbed pity party clip. The EOPs/ESLs who were fans of Aki were mostly anons like Towa's back then until that clip. Saviorfags won't even necessarily contribute to numbers, look at the Holostars saviourfags in youtube comments and reddit. They just like posting shit but not actually watch.

>>3095732
Last week in June she gained around 22k subs which would have been about 18k to 19k higher than normal for her. Pretty sizeable numbers if it had been maintained but between Youtube fuckery and Mel's erratic schedule, the momentum couldn't be maintained.

>>3050077
The blackjack streams are fun. I skip the rest of PSO.