/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Lofi LOVE !

It's Tonya's birthday!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0buCNaMOkbE

Ffyna on Tonya's stream

Will Lofi play Valorant later?

>>30324219
Apprently.

I love Tonya. She's such a good person.

Lofi live
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4LmTXVaDnM

Is my ESL half elf daughter winning ?

아이 해브 빅 옐로 페니스

Boomp

Chesom cute

>>30318796
*cute dolphin noises*
https://youtu.be/59ksUlpRABc?t=6180
https://youtu.be/59ksUlpRABc?t=6228

Alright, going to sleep. See you guys tomorrow.

Liora on Tonya's totsu!

Liora love

liora loves booba

I made this post for /vtwbg/ because the thread was down during the time. Some anons told me that I should write about stuff going on in the local scene and whatnot, so here it is:

Basically, there's on ongoing schism in the local KR vtubing scene about how vtubers should be culturally, this roughly divides to:
>Isegye and orbiters
>Smaller corpos
>Converts
>Those that want more of a "KR" style of vtubing
>Those that advocate for more of a "JP" style of vtubing.

First two are simple. Isegye is massive in Korea. However, they have their own self-contained sphere of influence and they keep within that group mostly. Additionally, they have a few orbiters (similar to VShojo) that they regularly share viewers with. Along with that, there are other smaller corpos trying to make it big. These are many, and currently it's emulating the response the EN market had when Hololive initially got popular. Their success is mixed, but generally they hover around 200~50 viewers.

Converts are self explanatory. But one notable thing to mention is that there was a significantly strong faction of pngtubers that had been around since 2017. But with Hololive's rise their influence is waning and some of them are being pushed to vtubing.

It's the last two groups that are the most interesting. In that they fundamentally disagree with each other about the direction vtubing should take in Korea. To explain, the more KR-styled group comes from the traditional Korean streamer audience, who have little knowledge about vtubers in general. On the flipside, you have the JP-styled group, a lot of whom descend from former NijiKR fans. These two groups especially despise each other. In fact, it's so bad that they avoid using each other's terminology when talking about streams.

So to summarize there's basically a low intensity conflict going on in the KR vtuber streamer space to define what vtubing in Korea will become. So I think this cultural clash could yield interesting new results.

Anyways, tell me if you find this kind of industry/scene talk interesting, might post more about it.

>>30340129
>>30340368
A lot more interesting than the usual drama of the week from JP and EN. Establishing identity is really important, thanks for the info

>>30340368
hi, n00b here. this is relevant to my interests.
just wondering...
why wouldn't you try to go for the massive casual normie audience instead of the small hardcore fanatic types?
isn't the market going to be oversaturated unless you can get normies interested?
so wouldn't the best strategy be to make it as normie friendly as possible?
shouldn't companies make tons of short- and medium-length highlight clips out of the streams?
maybe schedule a short chat stream several hours apart for the vod watchers who can't catch the main stream live, but don't want to miss out on the live interaction?

>>30340638
>why wouldn't you try to go for the massive casual normie audience instead of the small hardcore fanatic types?
>isn't the market going to be oversaturated unless you can get normies interested?
>so wouldn't the best strategy be to make it as normie friendly as possible?
To answer this, you have to understand the attitude most Koreans have to anything anime related. See, while Korea is an Asian country, they think of anime the same way a country like the US or any other Western country does, in that it's kinda a "cringe thing for weaboos". In fact, they have their own terminology for "weeb" that being 씹덕 (Ssipduck). So there's somewhat of a stigma to anything anime related. Coupled with the fact that streaming has a long history here in Korea going all the way back to the early ESports era, it has a bit of a reputation. So combining those two basically create normie repellant. Not that there isn't a massive audience for chuubas, but approaching it from a normie angle doesn't sell very well.

>>30340955
>In fact, it's so bad that they avoid using each other's terminology when talking about streams.
yeah, as a n00b, a lot of the terms and memes fly right over my head.
i could lurk moar. but it creates a barrier to entry.
but i'm sure a lot of fans might want it that way. they don't want a flood of normies or to sell out or go mainstream.
dunno.

>>30340955
but which market is the main target? US market?
does JP v KR hate even matter in the big picture?
it's definitely interesting to learn about.

>>30340638
>shouldn't companies make tons of short- and medium-length highlight clips out of the streams?
>maybe schedule a short chat stream several hours apart for the vod watchers who can't catch the main stream live, but don't want to miss out on the live interaction?
Now to answer the second part of your question. There are basically two answers,

The easy answer is: companies have tried, unfortunately being able to catch unto the algorithm is difficult.

The more complicated answer: For this there's a shitton of context that needs to be explained. First part of it is that there is a gender war going on locally, so a lot of people are seeing the appeal of more foreign content. That's a huge factor, but there are a few more factors. To explain, there used to be a cabal of pngtubers that dominated the KR streaming scene from about 2017. Pixel being one of them. The strategy they employed was to stream, then double dip using dedicated clip channels. This happened long before the current generation of vtubers (Hololive, etc.) became a thing. Using this method they were basically able to take over the streaming world, and in some cases, the larger talents made it into the mainstream media. However, because they were unchallenged for so long they became complacent and started coasting off their fame. There were various other reasons for their decline as well, but I think that deserves a separate explanation. Anyways, when things really started to get stagnant, Hololive clips started becoming a thing in KR. The audience of those clip watchers (who were getting sick of regurgitated content) all moved on to Hololive clips. And this can be easily seen (in an ironic twist) where if you go to these pngtuber's streams where they do react content, a good portion of those videos that viewers send are vtuber clips. So in terms of clip viewershare, the old guard pngtubers are fighting a losing battle against the new Hololive/Nijisanji/EN Indie vtuber clippers, and this also reflects badly on any local KR vtuber clips as well. (Keep these pngtubers in mind, because I'm probably going to talk about them a lot when talking about the local KR scene.)

>>30341418
>but which market is the main target? US market?
This is the weird part. Usually every industry in Korea follows the global trend. This is the mindset adopted, especially by the entertainment industry. With one exception, streaming. Mukbang, ESports stuff, etc, a lot of these things come from the local scene, rather than from outside. The important thing to note is that vtubing was something that no one in the KR streaming industry saw coming, nor understood very well, but at the same time, they're late to the party. So everyone is playing accelerated catch up right now.

Also, while the US market isn't really a target market. English is a language widely taught in Korea. Which is why a lot of KR indies (Tonya, the entirety of V&U, Miori, etc.) that go for EN audiences exist. In fact, more people here can understand English here than Japanese, and by a significantly wide margin.

>does JP v KR hate even matter in the big picture?
It does not matter at all. The newer generation (i.e. the current streamer watching audience) care very little for historical issues, primarily because they're more focused on the local culture war.

To add to that, there's a misunderstanding that the resistance to Japanese culture is because of historical issues, when that's not actually the reason for it. The issue is that funnily enough, because of a significant portion of the population learning English and adopting Western mannerisms, they have the same opinion of Japanese culture that the West does, despite being an Eastern country. That being that it's "kinda weird and cringe", similar to what normies in the USA or Europe would think.

>>30341578
>there is a gender war going on locally, so a lot of people are seeing the appeal of more foreign content.
gender war? what's going on?

>>30342017
I think there are even more Western kinds of vtubers like Haewon who I posted before (https://twitter.com/HaewonTheWitch).). Maybe the diaspora plays a role here. Do you think they are very different from other English-speaking ones like Tonya and V&U?
>>30342051
I see you missed all those Kronii bait threads...

>>30342051
That's a whole other can of worms. I'll write more in-depth about it at a later time (when I can remember all the events in better detail) but to summarize simply, do you remember GamerGate? SJWs? And all those other similar things? Well that also happened in Korea. Predictably, the effect was equally as devastating in Korea as it was in America and Western Europe. Specifically, in that relations between Males and Females is incredibly strained, to a lesser degree now than in previous years, but it's still a huge thing.

>>30342316
>I see you missed all those Kronii bait threads...
i'm a turbo normie. kek

>>30342325
ah okay. i see.

>>30342017
do korean vtubers do cultural content streams?
safe stuff like food, shopping, customs, etc. since politics and history can get controversial.

>>30341199
>but i'm sure a lot of fans might want it that way. they don't want a flood of normies or to sell out or go mainstream.
dunno.
I think it moreso has to do with a sense of pride surrounding the local streaming culture, which streaming audiences have developed over a really long time and invested into. To add to that, a lot of those that are currently streaming (especially on Twitch) are veterans who have been doing this for years. Like Huz (in the image) has been streaming for 11 years now. And the average level of experience most streamers have right now is around ~5 years or so. This is the case for some vtuber converts. But there are a lot of new names too, which is why the vtubing phenomenon is so interesting in KR. A lot of new streamers are using vtubing as a avenue to hit it big, because pngtubing and camstreaming is a red ocean with veteran talents who have extremely dedicated audiences that are hard to break into.

>i could lurk moar. but it creates a barrier to entry.
Well another thing I want to do is explain those various terminologies. If nothing else, it'll be something else I can bump the thread with instead of the usual "bump".

>>30342017
>That being that it's "kinda weird and cringe", similar to what normies in the USA or Europe would think.
yeah a lot of vtubing streams seem focused on otaku, anime, geek, gaming, memes, etc.
i guess music is more mainstream.

>>30343064
>Well another thing I want to do is explain those various terminologies. If nothing else, it'll be something else I can bump the thread with instead of the usual "bump".
yeah i unironically have to google practically every other word like chuuba or zatsudan or oshi. kek

>>30343091
>i guess music is more mainstream.
oh wait, forgot that the music also tends to be anime, jpop, kpop, gaming related too.

>>30342946
>customs
To add on to the headache, there's a strong sense of regionalism in Korea. Which is funny considering that it's not that big of a country but I guess people are the same everywhere. Generally unless it's a part of a Just Chatting stream, local customs aren't really much of a part of streams. It might also have to do with the fact that generally most streamers are from around the Seoul region, so they wouldn't have much to say about their local customs either way (since it's all the same).
>shopping
I have seen a few do that before, but it's definitely not regular content.
>food
Although I've never seen it, I'm 100% sure that someone has done it.

There are other things that are customs, but I'm not sure if you can necessarily call it culture. Things like,
>League of Legends
>Starcraft
Are basically a rite of passage. Also, having a rank lower than Bronze in LoL will get you mocked, for obvious reasons. In the KR streaming scene, being good at vidya is a very desirable trait, and even if you lack in other skills (speaking, singing, etc.) it alone can carry you to high numbers.
>singing
Is also a thing. As expected there's a lot of KPOP, but there's lots of different genres that audiences prefer too.
>Tier lists
Strangely one of the things that KR streaming took from the Twitch EN Meta. Except they have their own way of doing it using this site:
>https://www.piku.co.kr/
Basically, it makes you pick between two choices until there's one left. Similar to tierlists except there's a lot more tension between comparing two options directly.

>>30343064
random question.
do they listen to country music in korea?
wanted to ask lofi, but didn't think of the question at the time.

>>30343743
>do they listen to country music in korea?
No not really. This was when she sung "Country Roads" right? It's probably because the song was a meme at one point (due to Fallout 76). See, another interesting thing about the KR streamer scene is how fast cultural transmission happens, especially memes. Everything from the popular musical meme of the month to fucking Pepe gets exported to KR, and all very quickly. I can't confirm this, but it might also have to do with the fact that a lot of KR streamers stream on Twitch, so there's significant crossover between KR and the rest of the world when it comes to streaming. Also might help that a lot of Koreans can speak English, as mentioned before.

>>30343904
>This was when she sung "Country Roads" right?
yup. was hoping she'd sing some patsy cline like "Crazy" or "I Fall to Pieces". kek.
i don't follow country, but thought it'd be funny if she did a country/western karaoke vtuber stream. not the kinda thing you'd expect.
also i think taylor swift was country first, then did the crossover thing to pop. maybe shania twain and patsy cline too? i don't know much about it tho, but they all have nice songs.

>>30343714
>local customs aren't really much of a part of streams
it would have appeal overseas tho, but i guess regionalism must be pretty strong.

has anyone in korea had success with something like a joe rogan podcast but with vtubing? with interviews and stuff?

>>30343714
>Are basically a rite of passage. Also, having a rank lower than Bronze in LoL will get you mocked, for obvious reasons. In the KR streaming scene, being good at vidya is a very desirable trait, and even if you lack in other skills (speaking, singing, etc.) it alone can carry you to high numbers.
kek intredasting.

>>30342017
>The issue is that funnily enough, because of a significant portion of the population learning English and adopting Western mannerisms, they have the same opinion of Japanese culture that the West does, despite being an Eastern country.
are manhwa and webtoons considered domestic? or do they have a stigma?

>>30343904
>another interesting thing about the KR streamer scene is how fast cultural transmission happens, especially memes.
memes über alles

>>30344622
>it would have appeal overseas tho, but i guess regionalism must be pretty strong.
Eh, it might be a regionalism thing, but it also might be because the majority of streamers live the Seoul Metropolitan area. Could be either or.
>has anyone in korea had success with something like a joe rogan podcast but with vtubing? with interviews and stuff?
Strangely no, now that I think about it.
>>30344918
It's been a long time since I kept track of what was going on in that world, but Webtoons are somewhat mainstream and it's a domestic thing. Also I don't remember if there was a stigma, it's been a long time since I was invested in that medium.

>>30345687
>Strangely no, now that I think about it.
being interviewed by a cute anime girl seems like a fun thing.

>>30345934
Agreed.

>>30340129
>So to summarize there's basically a low intensity conflict going on in the KR vtuber streamer space to define what vtubing in Korea will become. So I think this cultural clash could yield interesting new results.
i would like to know more.

https://twitcasting.tv/suhamin2434
Off-collab chicken party on Suha's channel. Nagi, Gaon, Jiyu, Ray are there. I hear it's going to be unarchived.

>>30347643
There's a lot of nuances, but the main issue boils down to how the dynamic between the streamer and audience works,

In KR streaming, generally, the relation between the audience and streamer is in some ways, antagonistic. Not in the "literally fighting my audience" kinda way (although that does happen too kek), but in a sort of teasing way. Making jokes and comments at the streamer's expense to elicit reactions, stream sniping, joke donations, a lot of these things wouldn't be considered acceptable in a more JP styled environment, where the status of the streamer is above the viewers (again not always the case, I'm speaking generally here), but this is very common practice in KR streaming. I think the best examples of this kind of streaming (at least in vtubing) is Maoruya or some of the other Project Connect members and others like them. Generally, the focus of these kinds of streams is to keep things exciting and engaging and to keep up the tension. This kind of meta arose because going hard into coombaiting could get you into serious trouble (keep in mind that porn is illegal in Korea, and generally being lewd is looked down upon), so instead they went the "fun" route instead of the "sexy" route.

Issue is, this kind of high tension stream where the viewers constantly take jabs at the streamer, is kinda the extreme opposite to how most JP vtubers do things. So you now have a problem. Those who are getting into vtubing via Hololive or Nijisanji or whatever JP thing have the same expectations from their KR livers and on the flipside you have KR viewers that want their style of streaming from their vtubers. The conflict is pretty much inevitable, but I do think that it could possibly lead to an interesting synthesis of streaming styles.

>>30348860
kinda wild how they're switching back and forth between speaking korean and japanese.

>>30349556
is it like a difference between a gaming streamer vs idol streamer mindset?

>>30350765
like esports culture vs idol culture?
i'm not familiar with either, so just wondering...

>>30350765
Yeah, I guess you can think of it like that.

If I was to boil it down even further, the key difference here would be the amount of streamer interaction with chat and viewers, and the banter that comes along with it.

>>30351320
kek /biz/ crypto memes.
domp eet.

>>30349956
It was, kinda sad that I was only able to hear the latter part of the twitcast. Also isn't Ray in Japan right now? How did they all meet up for chicken?

Speaking of vtuber converts, here another one. Guess the trend of no-cam streamers and pngtubers converting will continue on. Honestly this one's vtuber model is pretty good in my opinion.

>>30353856
i still see the archive for it up

>>30354239
Nice

Ah bliss. Wish I had time to watch everything. Usually I just end up switching between different streams.

Alright, I found the Hari pepe.
Last bump from me for tonight bros, see ya.

>>30355540
Ah shit, why is the catalog so fast, fine I'll do another bump.

>>30355540
Eh. One more couldn't hurt.

cute animation
https://twitter.com/_jojobread/status/1556149020485361664

bump

liora sched

>>30361089
Nice!

gotta run. had fun.

Think the threads will be more lively when the twins come back?

>>30361089
>monster hunter rise
Holy mother of kino.