/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

TALLYDWARF BTFO
THIS IS NOW ELF APPRECIATION THREAD

>>30195163
I will not let Flare down

>>30195105
oh great, flare OP, now people won't use this thread.

>>30195105
REAL PREVIOUS THREAD >>30195060

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

/news/ roundup for 05-08-2022
>>30109821
Recent Clip numbers
>>30180226
>>30180263
>>30180352
>>30180385

why won't you faggots let old unused threads die ffs

>>30201461
might as well use it since old one is dying any minute

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>65,353: Flare (Hololive)
>46,426: Subaru (Hololive)
>46,096: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>44,464: Lize (Nijisanji)
>43,051: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>39,640: Salome (Nijisanji)
>37,059: Marine (Hololive)
>35,130: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>29,925: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>26,914: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>23,269: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,455: VSPO (VSPO)
>19,128: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>18,312: Miko (Hololive)
>17,984: Fubuki (Hololive)
>13,511: Nene (Hololive)
>13,268: Towa (Hololive)
>12,758: Fauna (Hololive)
>12,711: Noel (Hololive)
>12,229: Moona (Hololive)
>12,133: Botan (Hololive)
>11,611: Iroha (Hololive)
>11,433: Flare (Hololive)
>10,626: Luca (Nijisanji)
>10,388: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>10,353: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,041: Kiara (Hololive)

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>12,588: Fauna (Hololive)
>10,677: Luca (Nochairsanji)
>10,078: Kiara (Hololive)
>8,888: Fauna (Hololive)
>7,875; Pomu (Nochairsanji)
>6,361: Mysta (Nochairsanji)
>6,163: Petra (Nochairsanji)
>5,985; Magni (Hololive)
>5,788: Noir (Hololive)
>5,436: Noir (Hololive)
>5,333: Uki (Nochairsanji)

>>30201737
>AUGUST 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 114,404 - 4th anniversary 3D live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,664 - Yokai Watch Puni Puni Hololive collab
3) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 112,507 - Niji Koshien practice
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 55,526 - Niji radio calisthenics
5) Lain (Nijisanji) - 104,128 - 3D debut
6) Flare (Hololive) - 65,353 - Sankisei Flare quiz collab

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: Flare, Fuwa, Kuzuha, Lain, Miko, Pekora

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
136x: Hololive
72x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
24x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
15x: Kuzuha
14x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Marine
5x: Kanata
4x: Flare, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Nijisanji, Towa
2x: Ange, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>30201737
>AUGUST 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 114,404 - 4th anniversary 3D live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,664 - Yokai Watch Puni Puni Hololive collab
3) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 112,507 - Niji Koshien practice
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 55,526 - Niji radio calisthenics
5) Lain (Nijisanji) - 104,128 - 3D debut
6) Flare (Hololive) - 65,353 - Sankisei Flare quiz collab

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive
2x :Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: Flare, Fuwa, Kuzuha, Lain, Miko, Pekora

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
136x: Hololive
72x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
24x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
15x: Kuzuha
14x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Marine
5x: Kanata
4x: Flare, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Nijisanji, Towa
2x: Ange, Ibrahim,Fuwa, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

This defeats the nijinigger narratives

>>30201975
lol retard

>>30202037
We going to compare the two con photos again? I love timeloops

>>30201737
>REAL AUGUST 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 114,404 - 4th anniversary 3D live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,664 - Yokai Watch Puni Puni Hololive collab
3) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 112,507 - Niji Koshien practice
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 55,526 - Niji radio calisthenics
5) Lain (Nijisanji) - 104,128 - 3D debut
6) Flare (Hololive) - 65,353 - Sankisei Flare quiz collab

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: Flare, Fuwa, Kuzuha, Lain, Miko, Pekora

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
137x: Hololive
71x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
24x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
15x: Kuzuha
14x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Marine
5x: Kanata
4x: Flare, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Nijisanji, Towa
2x: Ange, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

IGNORE THE NIGGER ABOVE

>>30199781
post lewds

>>30202130
>>30201871
>2 different untampered tallies
/#/ is healing

>>30201871
>>30202130

2 Heretic Tallys. Z Worship is against the # truth.

>>30193452
I swear to god! What the fuck is wrong with this bitch!? Why is she so obsessed with pomu?

>>30202130
are you going to embarrass yourself a third time or did you just give up?

>>30201871
>>30202130
>>30202319
Not including an explicit note about Fuwa's fucked up chart like the JOP numberfags do is just as egregious as not counting it
He should have the daily win, but with an asterisk

>>30202375
>projecting
Sorry ENsharts we don't make up numbers here in /#/

Anything new planned from Cover or AC for Crunchyroll Expo?

Do we have a breakdown of where Tempus's audience came from

>>30202811
males mostly

>>30202130
>IGNORE THE NIGGER ABOVE
>exactly the same as the nigger above but with one annual gold transfered from niji to holo
w-what did he mean by this

>>30202811
Overlap in their last streams:
Mag: 63% HoloEN, 34% HoloID, 26% NijiEN
Nowa: 73% HoloEN, 41% HoloID, 27% NijiEN
Axel: 59% HoloEN, 34% HoloID, 34% NijiEN
Regis: 61% HoloEN, 39% HoloID, 33% NijiEN

SC predictions
>Nowa 10k
>Magni 10k
>Axel 7k
>Regi 5k

https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1555973887086563329
Kobo playing MC off stream again

OLD THREAD
OLD THREAD
OLD THREAD

RECYCLE

>>30203267
shes trying to finish her part of the id project i assume

>>30203112

they are both illiterate revisionist niggers posting antiquated tallys with fake scores. Anyone putting Fuwa on there after he has been disavowed twice by authoritative sources is a delusional mong.

>>30203321
shut up vstats admin, stop letting 5ch using your shitty site for their tallies get to your head

>AUGUST 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 114,404 - 4th anniversary 3D live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,664 - Yokai Watch Puni Puni Hololive collab
3) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 112,507 - Niji Koshien practice
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,896 - Rust
5) Lain (Nijisanji) - 104,128 - 3D debut
6) Flare (Hololive) - 65,353 - Sankisei Flare quiz collab

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
2x: Pekora
1x: Flare, Kuzuha, Lain, Miko, Pekora

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
137x: Hololive
71x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
25x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
15x: Kuzuha
14x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Marine
5x: Kanata
4x: Flare, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Nijisanji, Towa
2x: Ange, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka, Fuwa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>30203232
seems about right

>>30203232
is this yen, CCV or USD kek?

>>30203436
ccv

>>30203383
>Noel gets to eat this whenever she wants
Life is not fair bros ...

>>30201871
>>30202130
Kon kon kitsune Fuwa-tan!

>>30201737
SILVER
>1) 71,833: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Niji Koshien
>2) 59,997: Maimoto (Nijisanji) Niji Koshien
>3) 45,884: Fuwa (Nijisanji) Niji radio calisthenic
>4) 42,896: Pekora (Hololive) RUST*
>5) 61,209: Pekora (Hololive) 2 Million subscribers
>6) 46,426: Subaru (Hololive) Persona 4 Golden


> PER COMPANY
3x: Nijisanji
3x: Hololive

> PER STREAMER
2x: Pekora
1x: Kuzuha, Maimoto, Fuwa, Subaru

I demand only the finest of coffee lewds until the next tally.

>>30203232
I feel like Regi is going to be one of those with low CCV but insanely dedicated fans later down the line.

>>30203232
8k
8k
7k
5k

>>30203420
fake and gay

grim

>>30203420
SIR, PLEASE DON'T TAMPER THE NUMBER

>>30203420
Thank you anon

>>30203420

>>30202130
>>30201871
fuck this spammers

>>30203420
based medal anon

>>30203436
USD, I was trying to be nice.

Why is there so much seething today?
Is it because LazuLight not only got 3D but got it in less time from debut compared to Myth?

Just because you holoniggers tried to push the narrative that Luxiem would get 3D before LazuLight and got humiliated yet again?

It's just anime girls and boys moving around.
You don't have to take it that seriously.
Cheer up!

>>30203420
Wheres the non tampered medals?

>>30203420
based

>>30203695
chill out sister

>>30203695
Literally no one cares about lazulight

>>30203705
Here anon >>30202130

Have we ever done an over/under betting pool for recent indie graduations to become Holo or Niji members? I'd be interested to see where consensus odds would land for different streamers if you let these threads try and determine which were actually the most likely or least likely to be hired.

>>30203695
30 M I N U T E S

>>30203695
Take a seat so we can discuss some actual mindshare.

>>30203759
The funny thing is that guy still lists the daily totals as 137 for Hololive

>>30203420
Based

>>30203695
Say that again without sobbing in the floor of the CR Expo

>>30203695

>>30203768
I feel like everyone on /vt/ already does this to some degree already

>>30203420
Does this one count July 14's gold as Ibrahim's or Pekora?

>>30203768
those are done offsite in the usual sites both nongambling and gambling version since it also entails doxxing

>>30203812
yeah, he's clearly a falseflagger

>>30203695
lole

this Z thing is kinda like tripping in smash bros, huh

>>30203826
I'm talking more full-on, Vegas-styled odds rather than just speculation.
>>30203839
>only option is to trawl through the doxxsites
Shit, ah well.

>>30201247
news for today was posted already >>30195919

>>30203821
don't put niji's logo on migo, that's fucked up

>>30203927
Its pretty hard to do that vegas style odds without some form of doxx.

>>30203781
I propose the new name Nijisquatters

>>30203881
It's the 2021 Formula 1 season
The official record isn't going to change even though everyone knows the outcome only happened because the officiating was terrible

>>30203420
the funny thing is that all of you fags who do this are too lazy to "fix" anything but the most recent gold you're mad about so you just acknowledged that ibrahim won the 14th last month after you were bitterly disputing it not even a week ago, next month you'll get a new gold to fight over and the cycle will continue

>>30203705
this one >>30201871

>>30203695
It's HALschizo trying a new angle (and failing miserably).

>>30204090
because im using the after july z rule, another anon is using the pre july z rule

>>30204090
Wdym? Some of us agreed that we implement the new rule after july.

>>30204061
Max won that fair and square, jury/officials are there to call shots for contention and are part of the game

*FINAL HOLOLIVE TALLY OF THE DAY*

>65,353: Flare (Gen 3)
>46,426: Subaru (Gen 2)
>37,059: Marine (Gen 3)
>23,269: Subaru (Gen 2)
>18,312: Miko (Gen 0)
>17,984: Fubuki (Gen 1)
>13,511: Nene (Gen 5)
>13,268: Towa (Gen 4)
>12,758: Fauna (Council)
>12,711: Noel (Gen 3)
>12,229: Moona (ID1)
>12,133: Botan (Gen 5)
>11,611: Iroha (Gen 6)
>11,433: Flare (Gen 3)
>10,353: Koyori (Gen 6)
>10,041: Kiara (Myth)

>AUGUST HOLO GOLD
1) Miko: 114,404 (Anniversary 3D Live)
2) Pekora: 62,664 (Yokai Watch)
3) Pekora: 32,993 (RUST)
4) Pekora: 42,889 (RUST)
5) Pekora: 61,209 (2M subs)
6) Flare: 65,353 (Gen 3 collab)

>PER GEN
5x Gen 3
1x Gen 0

>PER HOLO
4x Pekora
1x Miko
1x Flare

>>30204116
halschizo was autistic and dedicated enough to his cause to highjack ops and spam constantly for hours, these fags are just pale imitations

>>30204140
>>30204208
>we
Also Miko had a Z on her first gold of the month. Any peaks after the Z is as invalid as the Z peak

Tempus- Monetization

Kiara- Already Streamed
Mori- don't care
Ame- ???
Ina-Break/No Delivery
Gura-Shill Stream

IRyS-??

Bae-???
Kronii-Crunchyroll/No Delivery
Fauna-Starting Break/No Delivery?
Mumei-???

Anyone able to fill in any of these people's schedules for today?

>>30204308
Kys

>>30204308
Make your own list then

>>30204313
Ina had a twitter space earlier.

>>30204090
Thats the beauty of it, we just fix tally and gold anons current retardation

>>30204090
Ibrahim did win(technically), and we said we wouldn't do Zs anymore in August.

>>30204447
>we

>>30204116
I wish I had the time to be as dedicated as halschizo anon.

>>30204394
Yeah I know, that's how I figured out she wasn't gonna stream, her internet is fucked.

>>30204462
yes we

>>30204313
Bae might twitter space desk building today with friendtaro.

>>30204462
Yeah? We.

>>30204462
we

>>30204462
Yes we.

>>30204384
Why should I, the untampered list is good enough for me. Only retards let random faggots pick arbitrary peaks for them

>>30204462
yes we, people with brain

>>30204245
Like I said, he's still the winner, it just happened under circumstances so retarded that the guy responsible for enforcing the rules was fired
I think this is quite a good parallel to Fuwa winning a day because YouTube can't count

>>30204462
we did actually

Inb4 samefag

>>30204090
Well August is a fresh month, and retroactive nullification isn't really against the rules.
Also VRabi and VStats removing Z-peaks entirely and adding a Z-filter kinda gave the bug an "official" credence, so we're in a bit of a quandary.

>>30204573
So tally anon needs to be fired and replaced then?

http://poal.me/fxriyz

>>30204644
we

>>30204557
>lets a youtube glitch pick arbitrary peaks for him

>>30204090
I guess people will just shitpost about it again when monthly gold tally gets posted. I'm fine with that as long as everyone remembers Ibrahim only won 14th July gold if Z peak is counted

>>30204686
anon doesnt have critical thinking pls understand

>>30204462
yes, we.

>>30204573
The peak was definitely higher than 40k. That stream had significantly better guests and vod/like/any other metrics performance than the 39k peak stream the next day.

>>30204462

>Wii

>>30204615
vrabi didn't even count whatever the fuck was happening in fuwa's stream as a z

>>30204686
>YouTube glitch
Source? Yeah that's what I thought

>>30204782
>soruce
vstats and vrabi

Why did Lain's gold have more lewds than Flare?

>>30202130
fake and gay znigger
>>30203420
this

>>30204806
anon got a vacation for posting a slight nipple

>>30204768
yeah because it wasn't an actual Z, it was some weird Fubuzilla type thing.

>>30204711
I consider his win "legit" in the sense that there was no broad agreement to not count Zs going into July and it would have been inappropriate to have decided to discount it at that time, given the weight of bias that it was a close month and that particular win would have been important in saving the month for either company. Going into the blank slate of August the majority of people agreed to not count Z peaks without any foreknowledge of whom that would be beneficial for, if anyone.

>>30204806
Cause Lain is not gonna win another gold in her fucking life

the mark of shame

>>30204615
>blatant revisionism
Vrabi doesn't remove z peaks retard
They just added a filter to simulate non Z peaks/chart
Their sorted list still uses the untampered peaks

>>30204308
>Also Miko had a Z on her first gold of the month. Any peaks after the Z is as invalid as the Z peak
Are you retarded? What are you even trying to peddle here?

>>30204856
that's unfortunate...

>>30204090
no1 but your samefags accepted the pajeet's cheat code, kys

>>30204882
this kills the nijikek, suffer >>30204898

>>30204875
Hey, don't say that. She might get it for a graduation on a slow day.

>>30204869
That's a dumb take. Here is a smarter take
> this is a site without any editorial control by the site staff, and where each anon post has the same weight as any other anon
That means people can say whatever the fuck they want and, if enough people agree, well, that's it then

>>30204898
I missed adding "respectively" there but I think that should've been obvious with the context.

>>30204313
Imagine the state of EN today if the boys didn't exist and we just had Gura's shill stream during EN hours

this thread reeks of maleanons

>>30204966
Nijien still exists and is more fun

>>30203695
Have a seat loser.......oh wait

>>30204731
We have no way of knowing what it actually was, though, because the counter was broken
That's why my position is he should have the daily win, but with a footnote acknowledging the inconsistency

>>30204994
kekd

>>30204804
Vrabi doesn't say anywhere that the Z's are glitches anon. Nor the vstats show any source or rationale to referring it as バグ

>>30204959
based fellow chocolate enjoyer

>>30204988
ogey

>>30204930
thats a vstats screecap rerard

>>30204988
>Nijien still exists and is more fun
Literally the only good NijiEN stream today is Pomu's MGS starting soon
Otherwise there's
>League
>Apex
>A fucking jigsaw
>Pokemon
>more Apex
Oh there's a full ILUNA vocal training collab which could be mildly interesting but I'm not watching Yugo, he annoys me

>>30205076
just take the L nijikek

>>30204988
You can keep your genderfluid to yourself

Reminder that the Nijifriends actually like watching these people.

>>30205076
>thats a vstats screecap rerard
You reverse uno'ed yourself there anon

Z-discussion isn't going anywhere.
Post your non-schizo reasons on why you support pro-Z or anti-Z on the tally.

>>30203420

>>30205118
>Literally the only good NijiEN stream today is Pomu's MGS starting soon
I don't know but MGS was the only thing that made me watch a Pomu stream and i realized that i was only staying because i liked MGS and couldn't wait until she shut her mouth.

>>30204996
>nigger on reading comprehension

>>30204869
this thread isn't a democracy and never will be, it's an anarchy where whoever has the autism to post for the longest wins, people here complain about tallyanon's decisions all the time but he's been going every single day for nearly a year now while nobody trying to replace him has lasted more than 3 days

>>30204988
I have to be bored out of my mind to watch any of them besides Pomu. Pomu is streaming at 3 Pm but it's one of the crappier Metal Gear side games I think.

The rest of Niji EN schedule looks like dogshit, 5 of them are playing LOL. 3 of them are playing Apex. Yugo and Petra are also streaming. Luca is playing Pokemon and Maria is playing Apex is the middle of the night. it's grim.

>>30205162
It's an obvious, easily identifiable bug that doesn't represent the real viewers.

>>30205162
I'll start.
Pro-Z because
1. In the end we have to select one number as a source, and I'd rather keep it as Youtube since it's consistent across all situations and will likely outlast all of the tally sites (RIP VNuma).
2. There haven't been that many incidents where Z flipped gold, other than Fuwa's thing this month (which wasn't even a Z) and Ibrahim's electric-Z last month.
3. Ultimately the tally is mostly for shitposting and has no value outside of this thread, and Z's are one way to keep the horse race interesting.
4. Without the Z, Holo will dominate most of the month, and the competition will get boring.
I'd much rather prefer exciting horseraces to holo domination.

Is that the PekoGuraCalliRui Collab happening on Monday?

EN3 needs a cunny

TOP KEK
>>>/b/
They're having a seizure or something

>>30205128

>>30205162
the sites we use are already filtering z

did Flare ever sing chocolate rain?

>>30205239
its one of the promoted jannies

>>30205212
Counterpoint : The sole contention on this month's tally is Fuwa's gold which wasn't even a Z.

>>30205214
>the competition will get boring.
You sound awfully similar to someone who spent days crying at the start of the previous month.

>>30205162
Anti-Z

Fake peak caused by a glitch that's easy to remove without the need for any subjective judgement (as opposed to removing allegedly botted streams or something like that).

>>30205162
Seeing a weird ass graph annoys me

>>30205239
>30cm black shlong fit for Whori
>Furries everywhere
>Two cat taking 60% of my screen
I regret clicking on this.

>>30205162
I hold the more nuanced position that Zs and other inexplicable phenomena should be counted, but with a note on the list acknowledging that something weird happened
My reasoning is that they're an obvious error and not representative of real changes in viewership, but all of YouTube's numbers are shit to begin with anyway, and if you don't want to take them at face value you're going to get into endless arguments about what should or shouldn't count

>>30205162
Anti because its retarded to count those peaks that can jump 40k ccv and disappear in one minute

>>30205214
>4. Without the Z, Holo will dominate most of the month, and the competition will get boring.

I feel like you're just baiting people and actually want the Z gone.

>>30203695
>Is it because LazuLight not only got 3D but got it in less time from debut compared to Myth?
Huh, where? Did I miss something?

>>30205162
>pro-Z or anti-Z
Russia lost, give it up already Z-friends

>>30205289
Would be valid if our main source of the tally (tally anon) was using the sites that are filtering it, but he's using live-ranking which isn't doing anything, and refuses to pick a side on the matter.

>>30205162
not for z since its a weird ass recent glitch that should have been ignored in the first place

>>30195105
ACTIVATE THE N FILTER

>>30205162
Z's and the weird ass zhang mountains should have not been included

>>30205162
Its literally a bug and counting Zs from the beginning was retarded but it became the norm here so i just went with it as much as I didnt like it however when the websites started also giving options to disregard them the proper choice became clear.

>>30205162
Removing Z without clear YT sources claiming its a bug opens future attempts of tampering based on similar fuckeries. Especially when the perceived stakes are higher. Its the epitome of thoughtlessness.
>sawtooth
>sudden spikes without the recovery
>completely fucked up chart

Also cases where the race is between two Zs and the non Z peak decides the winner. There's no deterministic method to decide the non z peak

If we're ignoring Zs, can we ignore funnels too?

>>30203232
Nowa 5k
Magni 6k
Axel 4k
Regi 7k

>>30205162
I was pro until some of the sites started to filter it

We're having a retarded Z timeloop but the worst thing going on right now is actually the ugly knife ear spam. No one wants to see this ugly frigid bitch.

>>30205568
Why?

>>30205414
this is probably the most rational solution that will inevitably end up with everyone being mad about it.

>>30205162
I'm pro Z because Ukraine is a corrupt shit hole than the elite uses solely for tax evasions and money laundering. The fact that the US government let themselves rolls up multiple billions of dollars for that tax evasion effort is way beyond me

>>30205568
no, because we dont ignore raids either

>>30205162
Im against counting the weird spikes now since some of the sites have stated not counting them and 5ch are gonna use the filter

>>30205568
No box?

>>30205467
>Would be valid if our main source of the tally (tally anon) was using the sites that are filtering it, but he's using live-ranking which isn't doing anything, and refuses to pick a side on the matter.
Well no, the main issue happened because live-ranking didn't even pick up Fuwa's stream because it was too short, so he had to use one of the sites filtering the Z.

>>30205632
They give one side an unfair advantage and they artificially inflate peaks, especially after a big event.

>>30205525
post the real version

>>30205539
>literally a bug
Still no YT sources

>>30205616
sit down dwarf

>>30205687
What about raids then?

>>30205616
this entire arc is your fault in the first place for chickening out on the tally

>>30205687
Cry more

we should ignore everything besides waiting room because it's the only one we know isn't fucked with to an astronomical degree

>>30205162
because its a retarded bug

If I was trying to produce a relatively unbiased daily ranking I'd probably record the highest CCV within each minute, then rank streams based on the average of the 15 highest minutes
This would effectively rank each stream by their most popular segment while eliminating the influence of Zs, raids that immediately leave, and superchat readings that drag the average down

>>30205550
slippery slope argument has little merit here because Z is comparatively easy to identify (tracking sites like VNuma already have filters for it) compared to your other examples.

Does anyone have SNOT panel vod?

>>30203420

>>30205737
Raids are a Youtube feature. It's not my fault that Hololive doesn't make use of them.

>>30205720
>thinking pajeetube will ever admit to the bug when there isnt a huge push about it
only reason they acknowledged the dogshit CCVid was because actual creators started to push for it to be fixed, this bug creators probably dont notice or care about enough to fix since its not drastically crushing their numbers.

>>30205162
Its a glitch so it should be ignored

>>30205688
he used the mado peak

>>30205779
Too much work, not enough redundancy (multiple websites doing those) for robustness

>>30205808
FAUFAU!!!!! UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Hey elfriends, if Flare is so good, why is she still stuck below 1M subs when the rest of her generation passed it a long time ago and two of them already hit 2M?
The clearest example of someone carried by her generation.

>>30205811
Baffling post

>>30205811
They give one side an unfair advantage and they artificially inflate peaks, especially after a big event.

>>30201737
Salome 39k nice
All she needs is to play some buff games, but unfortunately niji buff game is only Apex

dang this Watame skit is popping off
1m after only one day, better than holoGra

>>30205805
vstats says it was a z, vrabi says it wasn't

>>30205913
HOLY SHIT

How fucking hard is it to understand? The usual tally would use include the Z peaks, because it doesn't really do anything but show how many 10ks a group possesses in a day on top of trying to see what kind of games that's were buffed at one time.

The gold list/tally is the horse racing tally where you SHOULDNT include the Z peak as the gold. Just use the numbers before or after the Z, and count the peak then, not the literal Z peak which boosts 9k-15k in one minute then returns to normal numbers on the next.

>>30205162
just use your fucking brain retard

>>30203420
Thank you genuine tally anontachi, with a neat 420 at the end to make things better than necessary.

>>30205874
she doesnt have more subs cause chocolate cause diabetes and we elfriends keep dying over it

>>30205688
His original position was to use whichever tracking site had the highest peak, idk why he didn't just go with that and just give Fuwa the gold.
His graph wasn't even because of a Z anyway.

>>30205162
Non z peak can only be determined if you have a ccv chart (deterministically or otherwise). Not many sites does those for many/all chuubas except vstats and vrabi. Both had shit the bed before

>>30205962
>The gold list/tally is the horse racing tally where you SHOULDNT include the Z peak as the gold. Just use the numbers before or after the Z, and count the peak then, not the literal Z peak which boosts 9k-15k in one minute then returns to normal numbers on the next.
Fuck you youre just saying that to make sure hololive wins

>>30205162
I don't support either side, and I think the thread would be a lot better without the daily tally.

Holobabies only want to stop counting Zs because it will hurt Nijisanji. Hololive can't win on its own merit.

>>30203420

>>30205988
>, idk why he didn't just go with that
To be honest he pussied out and went with that, and with the alternative as well

>>30206037
Holy Kek

>>30206037
who was kicking and screaming about sana's Z again?

>>30205913
Because EOPs understand

>>30206037

>>30203420

>>30205162
>Anti-Z
It's an anomaly in data due to a inexplicable bug/glitch and is not indicative of the true representation of the ccv, most especially that the bug even normalizes after, which makes the peak from the Z even more useless

>>30206037
Why does Z's only hurt nijisanji? Can you not win without the stream spazzing out?

>>30205805
>slippery slope
Its not even that, the potential of further tamoering attempt is already open even as of right now. It's just a function of time when the case arises

>>30205162
I am pro Z because without it Nijisanji cant be competitive against Hololive

Reeks like discordfag here.

>>30206056
Which is what ended up causing this retarded timeloop anyway.
Plus the fucking tracking sites taking matters into their own hands.
The only time Z affected gold was during Ibrahim's peak, and there wasn't really any more than the usual schizoposting at the time.

>>30206024
So you're admitting you just want the Zs so niji can win?

Nijifan here. We all had a talk behind the scenes. We all agree that Fuwa should have that gold, but we also agreed to leave the board forever if Hololive wins or ties even with that gold in place.

>>30206179
I fucking wish.

>>30205737
Raids are actual viewers. Also neither company really use raids much on the JP sides so it's mostly been a non-issue for the main tally.

>>30206180
Yeah duh? And theres nothing you retards can do about it since tally anon will still count the Z

>>30206154
Reminder that discordfags fear lolis because they are r*dditors.

>>30205813
Yeah no source then, it's as good as made up number.
>sawtooths are bugs and invalid
>Apex graphs are bugs and invalid
>Outfit reveal spike peaks are bugs and invalid
More or less same weight as all of above

>>30205913
> consistent
> short
> translated
> not cringe
it's a mystery

>>30206167
>causing this retarded timeloop
No it wasn't. The timeloop would happen anyway

>>30206224
So are Z's and even Viewfarms. The only non actual viewers are bots which are filtered by susan.

that indie Rye Project hiatus' starts today, watched her stream yesterday shes kinda whatever but has peak cunny voice and is /k/ so ill be upset no matter what corpo she goes to if she doesnt get a cunny model from them

>>30206125
This.

How hard is it to understand? Fuwa's stream might not look like a Z but who jumps to 45k instantly, drops to 35k the next minute then after a few minutes, jumped back to 48k only to drop below 26k. How would one infer from that? That 10k people vanished through the air, that the stream is lagging, that there was an army of women at Morning with their phones joining his stream?

Pretty brain-dead to include Z peaks for Gold tally

>>30206254
(you)

>>30206224
How does that differ from funnels then?

>>30206230
He doesn't though , open your damn eyes Nijibrony >>30203420

>>30206289
some anon said that one of the smaller en corpos that are debuting already has her friend in it so theres a chance she might be in it as well

>>30205931
VStats is manually removing "unnatural peaks" from the Top 10 but at that point we're leaving the judgement upto whoever is running that site for accurate numbers other than Youtube, and that has no more value than any random tallyposter here using other sites.

We need some form of baseline to agree upon, and until recently it used to be just whichever site had the highest peak. If we're making a new baseline, we need more consistent rules.

>>30203420

>>30206289
She's going to be the gura killer of wave 7.

>>30206319
Funnels are people willingly going to another stream. Raids are whoever doesn't click away before they get sent over, including people who immediately leave, people who actually do want to watch the stream they're sent to, and afk people. I still count them both, but they are different in nature.

>>30206319
Funnels are people making a conscious decision to watch another stream because the content interests them
Raids where most people immediately leave - which has applied to almost all NijiEN raids - do not represent interest in a stream's content

>>30203420

>>30206037
How about we make a deal.
Let's count Nall the Nijisanji Zs in september while discounting all Holo Zs. Wanna take that bet?
You know what'll happen if Niji still loses the month.

>>30206280
No, back when Ibrahim got gold off a Z-peak, there was some seething but it died down rather quickly. Would have been the same here since Tally anon would simply be sticking with his usual rules (highest peak from whichever site tracked it).
Fuwa gold would have cause some seething, but I'm sure people would have simply moved on after a while.

>>30206336
arent most smaller corpos already 100 views only, she already pulled 100-120 viewers whenever she streamed. I feel like looking into smaller corpos for an indie with that many viewers isnt as lucrative

>>30206661
FUBUKI, NO!

>>30206560
Fuck off already

Just leave the gold list alone from dishonest numbers

>>30206563
>implying it would be the same as ibrahim
theres a difference since vstats added the filter

>>30206563
>there was some seething but it died down rather quickly
Why do you think this split has been in open revolt and going as far as actually taking a real stance about it since then?

>>30203420

>>30203420

dont let all this Z discussion make you forget Sana got 11 dollars'd at the end of her graduation

This tear the anus of the nijifriend.

>>30206224
Could you imagine the shitstorm if Holo JP started randomly raiding each other? Like Roboco getting a 30k peak out of nowhere.

>>30206670
im guessing she would rather be at a place where she is has a sure spot rather and it seemed like she badly needed the cash so unless shes getting paid prior to debuting then she would not wait for 2-3 months to make money again

These Flare lewds aren’t doing it for me.

>>30206815 (me)
*tears

>>30206563
>there was some seething but it died down rather quickly
kek

>>30206691
fuck no, gold should refelct the winner and if the winner is a Z then gold is a Z

Anti-Z summary
>its supposedly a glitch/bug, therefore should not count
>we have multiple sites now that tracks non Z (regardless of accuracy), therefore its feasible to easily use and confirm

Any pro Z anon wants to summarize their arguments?

>>30206913
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT .....
> FLARE IS **THIS** STACKED!?!
Why do people hate the chocolate elf again?

>>30205579
>Most consistent, highest floor member
>Batsu style event stream
>5k when there should be 0 HoloEN overlaps because of CRX
Grudgepost bait?

>>30206943
>Why do people hate the chocolate elf again?
only dwarves do

>>30206931
Z is the only way the horse race is exciting instead of lol holo wins

>>30206943
i do not like dark skin

>>30206691
>dishonest
Still no source, while actual explicit tampering is supposedly honest

>>30206420
this thread will never agree on anything so i'm going to keep posting just whichever site has the highest peak as always
i gave gold to that one obviously botted to shit luxiem collab and was fully prepared to give it to the aussie snake girl before mio i think it was just about pipped her at the post, this isn't even close to being the most dubious gold i've recorded

>>30206983
Keep crying about it

>>30203420
A half elf who wants to become a number rabbit... https://youtu.be/b7K8Q7x-2DU

OI! Knock it off! Be civil!

>>30206931
>Theres no proof that its a glitch or bug
>Only way nijisanji has a chance

>>30203420

>>30207012
Funniest thing about trying to establish identity in a cantonese basketweaving forum is that
>YOU REALLY CAN'T

>>30206851
i feel like anyone would be fine waiting 2-3 months if they knew they were in a big corpo

>>30206815
Nijiniggers really like to defend their Z's fuck the dwarf he deserves to be stoned

>>30206997

So, we're in agreement that Zs are valid then?

>>30207106
based

>>30206931
Lol Doesnt matter since Tally Anon has the final word

>>30207132
No

Flare really has some of the best lewds.

>>30203420

>>30207101
thats if she got in and with her numbers i doubt nijisanji passed her in the same wave as Iluna
and cover wont touch anything political/controversial any time soon after that mumei vid

>>30206829
For Roboco to get 30k someone with like 60k would have to raid her. So it wouldn't really effect anything and would just look slightly weird on the tally. To really do something you'd have to have a big stream raid another big stream. Like Pekora raiding Marine or Miko to boost them over a Niji Koshien stream or something like that. Or I guess for the EN tally, any big JP raiding Niji or Holo EN, giving them a win by default.

>>30203420

>>30207106
here, fixed that for you

>>30206931
To put it as simply as I can
>Deciding what is and isn't a Z and what exactly the non-Z peak is adds too much personal opinion and potential bias into what should be pure arithmetic
>Opens up huge slippery slope potential, if Zs are excluded next people will want worms and other graph weirdness removed as well as anomalies like Salome where there was no real evidence of bots

Is there a word/term to call this kind of action during an online argument when the person keeps saying "Evidence" or "Where's your proof?" time and time again despite already giving relevant arguments? They'll just deflect it, and opens up another where's your proof question. I got the de ja vu since this kinda happened during Salome's 90k arc too.

>>30207132
See the real tally >>30203420

>>30206697
that only started once the actual tracking sites got involved, giving it an air of "legitimacy".
notice that until then, most of the Z posting was just shitposting.

>>30207352
Mental gymnastics?

>>30207352
>when the person keeps saying "Evidence" or "Where's your proof?" time and time again despite already giving relevant arguments?
Yep, it's called
>the Proofster

>>30207368
most Z posting was shitposting because we rarely ever had a Z steal the gold in the main tally.

>>30207352
They just want you to accept the fact and numbers, no counter arguments. Literal CCP brainwashing tactic.

>>30207352
Lmao true

But no for real, there's literally no evidence that support what you're pushing

>>30207339
Kek

Okay, this shit is getting boring, I'll take a crack at Furea lewds but not a lot

>>30206698
Vrabi has an actual automated detector for the bug, and it does not consider Fuwa's peak as a Z.
Vstats is removing "unnatural" peaks manually, which has as much merit as a schizo removing people's peaks for random reasons.

>>30207352
>relevant arguments?
Some faggot said its a bug is neither relevant or an argument

>>30203420

HOLY SHIT, one of the Neo Porte debuts nearing 2 views and needing a Z to break 200

>>30205162
I'll give you one good reason why Z's should be ignored. Because some retard sooner or later will get mad enough and do another $11 just to win the tally and everyone in the thread will get a vacation again

>>30203420

>>30207443
Yeah, numbers are numbers, YT pumps out glitches and all. But why would you care about a gold list in this site? Like, we want the gold list to only be filled with honest, non-z peak numbers since it's fair to other competitions. There were no Zs prior to this before and it happened recently. So just leave the gold Z alone, or is there some kind of hidden agenda here?

Sunday Gold goes to...?

>>30207368
i hate the vstats faggot so fucking much for opening that can of worms, you can't even see the fucking z on his site's graphs and there's no algorithm or anything behind it he just does it manually lel

>>30203420

>>30207578
Leave the gold list alone*

>>30207590
Unless Kuzuha is doing his final Koshien tomorrow, Flare will be taking it with her live

>>30207540
People get vacation not because the spend $11 anon, it's because they are participating on what the mods perceived as a raid. And yea, its not relevant to the discussion

>>30207578
>Yeah, numbers are numbers
This is something that the holobabies can't understand. They want to manipulate the tally because they can't win otherwise.

>>30207540
I really should do an 11$ to a holo i need them golds to feed my family

>>30207508
vrabis is based on a rise and dip into back into pre Z CCV.
On Sanas graduation at the end of her stream the first Z is "corrected" but rest of the spikes arent since they dont dip below what her viewers were before the spikes since those were bot attempts i think.

>>30207578
>Like, we want the gold list to only be filled with just cooked hololive numbers and some nijisanji/indie to make it seem fair to other competitions
Z win Z gold simple as

>>30207522
Biggest Z ever recorded, +100% incline with this, Nijitards would love to know the formula to do this on their Koshien streams.
>>30203420

ITT: one schizo pretending to be retarded, and other idiots replying

>>30207540
Botting wouldn't necessarily cause a Z, and wouldn't be disqualified under the July or current ruleset.

>>30207650
>Unless Kuzuha is doing his final Koshien tomorrow
he is https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1555586219664633857

>>30207352
Ziggers have been known to use this tactic for years.

>>30206931
Bit more of a nuance d point, I'm fine with ignoring Z-peaks if VRabi's automated filter detects it.

At the same time Fuwa's graph is what caused this issue in the first place, and that was very clearly not a regular Z.
Removing that one sets the precedent of removing other "unnatural" peaks due to whatever reason, once again bringing Luxiem and other retarded Nijisanji graph's validity into question.

Who decides what is "unnatural" in such cases? It's just going to be a can of worms and schizoposting for the rest of the month.

I'd say keep Fuwa's gold intact, and if any Z's contest gold in the upcoming days, we can check Vrabi's filter to see if it was caught.

>>30206274
This is the only Furea lewd I ever got off to. I especially like it paired with the topless version.
https://files.catbox.moe/nlpamb.jpg

>>30207682
>>30207719
Ok this are discordniggers

>>30207764
Then people will have a horse race.
I'm betting on the King

Is flare really that busty?

>>30207743
>Botting wouldn't necessarily cause a Z
How can you be sure? YT already change their bot algo since it caused some channels to get nuked. How sure are we that the Z is not bots getting culled?