/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>30083648
they got around 30k applicants and all the people they hired had over 100k subs in thier previous lives. Are you saying that out of 30k people they couldn't find one good one that didn't have 100k subs beforehand?

>>30083929
/news/ roundup for 04-08-2022
>>30023224

Recent clip numbers
>>29998071
>>29998109
>>29998401
>>29998613

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

>42,882: Pekora (Hololive)
>42,581: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>42,052: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>37,695: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>35,282: Miko (Hololive)
>27,862: Miko (Hololive)
>26,870: Suisei (Hololive)
>21,228: Mumei (Hololive)
>20,291: Salome (Nijisanji)
>16,428: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,199: Macoto (Indie)
>15,070: Watame (Hololive)
>14,979: Hal (Neo Porte)
>14,845: Subaru (Hololive)
>13,613: Korone (Hololive)
>12,972: Shu (Nijisanji)
>12,482: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>12,305: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,075: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>10,903: Akina (Nijisanji)
>10,396: Luca (Nijisanji)

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1555395670478991360

>>30083929

The whole online talent agency business model just seems so foreign in general when you think outside Vtubing especially since streamers are usually indie. Closest thing I can compare it to is sponsored competitive gaming teams where they hire individual members (talents). I can't really imagine a corporation debuting a bunch of fleshtubers the way Vtubing does, let alone in cosplay and "lore"

>>30083978
It's possible they just screened it for high numbers first. Above X subscribers on semi active channel -> you get past the first screening.

Where's Nowa to explain this >>30084138 meme?

>back hort can't stream
>back to streaming few days after graduation
Why is she like that?

>>30084173
and how is that not "We don't hire below 100k subs"

>>30084061
Still using this fake tally?

>>30084061
>AUGUST 2022 GOLD
1) Miko (Hololive) - 114,775 - Anniversary 3D live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 62,875 - PuniPuni Sponsored Stream
3) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 112,605 - Koshien
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,8965 - Rust

>GOLD
Hololive - 3
Nijisanji - 1

>>30084155
These talent agencies similar to idol agencies in Japan and Korea.

>>30084249
I love the N filter so much

>>30084061
Hololive keeps winning. They are too strong.

>>30083978
My friend is one of the NijiEN manager
He said that Gura is rejected by them

>>30084155
That's why you can't do 1:1 comparisons, anon. With vtubing, there's a big investment for art and rigging. And people are interested in merching right off the bat because of character designs.
Have you seen the sort of merch fleshtubers sell? Tshirts with some stupid zoomer catchphrase they've spouted over the 10 ears it took them to become a 5k shitter.

>>30084155
idol agencies are what you should be looking at for comparisons

>>30084208
Blatantly lying to get out is starting become the norm every major corpo graduation it seems

>>30083851
and then they lost to hololive 2 years later so go figure

>>30084243
Kon kon kitsune friend!

>>30084278
Wait, does Vrabi have an N filter? Where?

>>30083851
Anon, back when Niji was on top in the advent of the streaming age of vtubers and Kizuna Ai was all but killed by the clone fiasco, Nijisanji was considered a "seal of quality" of sorts. It worked back then when they didn't have that many talents to juggle, but now they have more than 150 channels, of which only like 50 can be considered of relevance... and that's being generous. The rest are a reminder to the audience that Nijisanji will throw more shit at the wall to see what sticks irrespective of quality.

>>30084155
There are big name agencies in the west as well-- they just don't operate the same way that they do in Asia.

>>30084384

>>30084346
Other councils seems to not hating her for it. Maybe there is something more to it?

>>30084411
Is Vbrai what we have to use from now on?

>>30084208
Most Holo fans aren't even surprised, but we just keep quiet to not hurt Sanallite feeling.

>>30084299
nice rrat
>pwease gontinyuuuu

Gamma drawing Polka
https://youtu.be/cVrveuUvrF8

>>30084411
It looks more like an "N" than a "Z". Why are we calling it Z again?

>>30084444
vstats also manually filters out Zs if they end up in the top 10

>>30084208
Is she streaming long sessions or short/what is she streaming?

>>30084488
because if you tilt your head it becomes a Z

Niji already lose when they give Marine and Peko to Holo at that time..... what the fuck are they thinking ?

>>30083851
Nijisanji's saving grace was and always will be Mito. The same way that Sony made use of the PS2 and PS3 to trojan horse new media formats like dvd and BluRay into your average household, Nijisanji used Mito's popularity to make live2d an acceptable medium for vtubing. If it wasn't for Iinchou I really do believe that we would still be stuck with 3d avatars as the main ones being used by most companies and more than half of this startups wouldn't exist because of how expensive it would be to get in the market.

>>30084488
Z is more iconic and cooler sounding. Also along the axis of time it looks like a z.

>>30084444
Both Vrabi and Vstats are filtering N/Z graphs, but they use different methods and for different purposes.

>>30084243
make your own sites or tally then.
only compaining you lazy ass

>>30084421
Theres nothing for them to get austistically-angered over. its just a case of a coworker getting overwhelmed and realizing the job isnt for her.

>>30084404
Nijisanji also didn't really have any competition back then. Kizuna Ai, and upd8 in general, were already on the decline by mid-2018. Hololive also grew in 2019 but they didn't really get big until around the middle of 2020. They had the market basically all to themselves for nearly 2 years and they squandered it.

>>30084411
Kek, “N” filter. Wonder why it’s N

>>30084496
Short. She got banned.

>>30083978
I remember /NijiEN/ post a timestamp where Nina said the bar for the audition is getting higher. Kinda implied they want to hire some big names.

>>30084208
Is she really? I would think that the catalog would be filled with more shitposts about it if that were the case

>>30084375
they copied hololive with themed gen now lol

>>30084651
kek

>>30084488
>>30084647
It's an N, but we call it Z because of the Ukraine war.

>>30084404
Lmao you have no idea what you are talking about. Nijisanji's model was the lowest quality among the corpos back in the days.

>>30084651
How the fuck

>>30084734
Really? That is based. I remember Rushia yab happening at the same time too.

>>30084404
>>30084592
In addition to what they said, they also lost to hololive in 2020 after debuting, what, 60 ish talents in 2019? Yeah that sounds like supporting OPs point regarding flooding the lines with grabage to me

>>30084411
Ogey but WHERE? Is it a plugin you have?

I gave some back read holy fuck
>tallyanon being super stubborn
>vstat turned against him
>vrabi added N-filter
>/#/ takeover the tally, tally anon is no more
Holy shit.

>>30084813
Clear your cache and refresh anon

I still don't know how the fuck Nijisanji lose to Hololive since 2020

>>30084813
Refresh and it should appear

>>30084762
She was banned in game to be exact. Nothing to stream so she went offline.

Isn't this surprisingly really good?

>>30084847
unironically by accelerating too hard and diluting the nijisanji brand

>>30084813
>>30084846
Ctrl+F5 should do it.

>>30084647
N for Nijibots

>>30084817
wait, really? I need to go read this

>>30084813
Clear cache, it's loading the unupdated files for you Anon.

>>30084866
Nope. Maybe it's an A/B thing where only some users have it? But then again that makes no sense on a site without accounts/profiles.

>>30084881
Yes, exceptionally good actually considering the nerf to music views.

>>30084817
Wasn't that dude just some falsflagger? If it really is tally anon then I'd be disappointed.

>>30084881
I keep going back to watch the Hindenburg because it reminds me of Kiara almost burning her house down.

>>30084488
this thread bites every single bait that's posted and you're surprised that we have brain problems?

jwu, how come Zeta is almost at 7k?

>>30084677
Can't expect much originality from a chinese company like Nijisanji.

>>30084955
I am here solely for the bait though?

>>30084996
It's a tier list ranking of hololive members with Risu

>>30084996
Tier list with the shit posting meme lord of Hololive herself on the stream (Risu)

>>30084488
we read charts along the X axis anon, and on that it looks like a Z

Oh my god there's an actual (N)ijinigger filter on vrabi ahahah
Now the question is, are the people making the average/median charts still using z peaks? We've almost eliminated this blight entirely.

>>30084488
>Replies to this
Oh, I thought because it's alluding to Zhangs since this is an occurrence happens to Nijis more often. Gomen, been away from 4chan for a while.

>>30085212
Tjhey are just pulling data from vrabi and holostats so... I guess it depends on if vrabi allows for easy z filtering on it's dataset

>>30084881
It’s short and very loopable

>>30084669
Yes she was, for 20 minutes because she didn't know she was banned in the game that she wanted to stream.

It's always fun seeing bot payers seething about their Z being disqualified.

>>30085317
Speaking as one of the guys who started calling it a Z, there's no real big reason behind it, it just sounded better in my head

>>30084881
IM cover for comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyeNK118Mw

>>30085340
Imagine if Z's suddenly stop happening altogether after today

Even Nips are sick of the Z

>>30085398
This is why I refuse to believe you're CCV is be all end all.

>>30085406
It won't because it was happening to all big streamers.

>>30085406
That means they moved from chinkbots to indianbots

>>30085398
Anon, vshitshow numbers are never a comparison. Except Nyanners' retarded seiso cover i guess.

>>30085441
you want true metrics check out the porn for a talent that is the true test of popularity

>>30083929
>>30083963
Madoka is so fucking sexy.

>>30085503
No because it is literally impossible to lewd the number rabbit.

>>30085406
They'll pay for better bots, but the cost will increase.

>>30085531
i like that one doujin where the fat guy climbs into her skin and possesses her

>>30085503
Marine..I kneel

so holo won last month huh

>2018/04 - 2020/04 = Niji
>2020/05 - 2022/05 = Holo
>2022/06 = tie
>2022/07 - present = Holo

>>30085398
Ayo wtf? She has a youtube channel? Channel's not dead and she's known as a great singer plus there's pink catshit, why is this dead on arrival?

>>30085562
Where the what does what

>>30085324
Vrabi's implementation is a literal UI feature that reads the graph and draws a new graphs ontop that skips the "N" if detected. It won't detect other bugged "N/Z" if it show different behavior. VStats chose to manually annotate entries to their tallies if they reach the top 10 for the day (including any entry that climbs into the top 10 as a result of a down-rank of any entries due to N-graphs).

There was an anon that actually coded a graph of his own to redraw a completly new graph that eliminates peaks based on a formula though.

>>30085503
Porn is bias for visuals.
Not a good metric for charisma.

>>30085627
https://e-hentai.org/g/1983054/8be054179f/

>>30085398
Can they beat Ame and her mom?
https://youtu.be/wbdnO13ZoyI

Maria is literally dead air with a bunch of cute noises in between, no wonder she's sub 3k
How did these guys get picked for ILuna

>>30085626
>chanel is not dead
Is pretty much dead only shit thst she uploads and gets numbers os connor clips

>>30085602
2022 is another year for Hololive

>>30084945
No one else came forward to claim they were the true tallyanon. He just got usurped and everything went on it’s way

>>30085728
Nabi basically killed her channel

>>30085503
Umisea domination

>>30085743
Pl had 100k+ subs

>>30085743
Isn't she chinese? Nijisanji has chinese bias.

>>30085728
That actually isn't bad. Better than I thought it would do.

>>30085743
well scouting team sees that she have 100k subs and the rest is history

Ffs 3 Karaokes in 1 timeslot. What the hell is going on

>>30085909
Funnel for Pekora

>>30085785
Why?

Predict numbers if Nowa decides to review memes from /here/

When did Nijisanji started a 5 person themed gen? Selejo?

>>30085947
Thinks her parents forced her to focus on school and basically quit vtubing

JWU, anything interesting happen in the past few threads?

>>30086050
>AUGUST GOLD
1) 114,404: Miko (Hololive)
2) 62,664: Pekora (Hololive)
3) 112,507: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
4) 42,889: Pekora (Hololive)

>PER COMPANY
Hololive: 3
Nijisanji: 1

>PER STREAMER
2: Pekora
1: Miko, Kuzuha

>>30086036
Wait what? She is a successful artist, no?

so when does maria start entertaining me

>>30085743
The scouting team unironically only looked at thier past sub count and nothing else

>>30086050
vstats and vrabi made sure to dunk on tally anon

>>30085970
>/vt/ meme review
0 views
Management would block it because it's too current and will almost certainly contain yab material. The only real possibility is if they somehow filter for reddit tier recycled memes. Just look what was allowed through.

>>30086050

>>30086050
Vstats and Vrabi now has N(Z) filter to counter Z

>>30086100
When she do what Finana did this morning.

>>30084155
I think MCNs work as a decent comparison for the west. Hiring various content creators to be a shared network, hosting some main channel shows (supposedly but never actually) helping them out with projects.

>>30084404
Accelerate itself isn't a problem, its just how they've been doing it for a while and especially EN. Having overlapping skill is largely pointless after a certain threshold. Its good to have a core of ASMR tubers, but once you have a group including some very popular ones you should stop outside rare absolute gems. In a sense Luxiem was this for the fujo market leaving little room for growth there. Yet the new EN and JP hires just feel directionless, they aren't target appeal but aiming for a general mold. Iluna shows they only really care about subs cause as a group they neither fit their models or show any particular set of skills. Like on of the Voltaction guys can play the violin really well, so make a wave focused on acoustic instrument skills with model to match. They're accelerating but nobody got eyes on the road.

>>30086093
probably the Asian parents case, you're not successful if you're not a doctor at 10 and lawyer at 15

>>30086182
Rosemi 2.0 won't stoop that low Ryucuck

>>30086153
But twpposting, watamage and watamelons are wholesome. Also, I want him to talk about suipiss...

Cover, give me back n***rin, she is not singing like she is supposed to.

>>30084488
https://twitter.com/hakosbaelz/status/1541658884170887168

>>30086100
such a waste, and she has an amazing model too

>>30084881
The hell? She only did last minute promotions and release it out of nowhere, I doubt even a handful of JP viewers notice it.

>>30086287
She is echoing the success in the campaign of her slav idol in the north.

>>30086254
She's holding back her power for that sweet new 2D & 3D model. Did the teaser said that there will be more information this month ?

>>30084847
Too comfortable, hololive was literal nobody before and some of their competitors are still far to be at their level can't blame them at all but it is what it is

>>30086093
She's like 19 years old now. Still a kid basically.

>>30084881
DAN DAN CHIKAKU NARU ANON

>>30086369
Yeah I want some of those copium you are huffing. I've been waiting for that huge break but none of her songs get 50m.

That is a lot of Zatsudan

>>30086093
>>30086217

Explain Ina to me then

>>30084847
>Complacency
>Hololive facing Yabs after yabs that normally kill any small nip companies
The questions here is how on earth did Cover managed to even survive at all.

>>30086548
At this point he should just turn his channel into a podcast channel.

>>30084404
>of which only like 50 can be considered of relevance
They have more than 125 channels above 100k and a good majority of them doing more than enough to be successful.
>Nijisanji was considered a "seal of quality" of sorts. It worked back then when they didn't have that many talents to juggle
Nijisanji already had almost 60 members before 1 year. It always has been like this since day 1.
>30083714
? Literally all of their recent debuts broke records getting more subs than any previous waves. EN and JP broke so much records to the point the top 10 is almost all Edengumi, EN, salome, voltaction

>>30086548
Nowa-oji found his niche, good for him

>>30086205
>Accelerate itself isn't a problem, its just how they've been doing it for a while and especially EN. Having overlapping skill is largely pointless after a certain threshold. Its good to have a core of ASMR tubers, but once you have a group including some very popular ones you should stop outside rare absolute gems. In a sense Luxiem was this for the fujo market leaving little room for growth there. Yet the new EN and JP hires just feel directionless, they aren't target appeal but aiming for a general mold. Iluna shows they only really care about subs cause as a group they neither fit their models or show any particular set of skills. Like on of the Voltaction guys can play the violin really well, so make a wave focused on acoustic instrument skills with model to match. They're accelerating but nobody got eyes on the road.
That's the whole point of my original argument when I made the cable TV analogy about filling the lines with garbage: too much stuff with little focus. They should have stopped to consolidate and build their talent, but they didn't, so now they got a bunch of people that will stagnate and fail and their brand will be tainted if not corrected soon (it may already be too late).

>>30086254
Honestly wtf are they even doing

>>30084885
Nijisanji has been accelerating since day 1, so by your own argument they never should be successful in the first place

>>30085743
So she's a bargain bin Mumei? There's potential there.

>>30086548
No one gives a shit about watching game playthroughs

>>30086578
This
I can understand that everyone else sucks, but Cover has no business being that fucking resilient
Like, forget everything else, Hitomi and Mel yab should have fucking killed the project right then and there (And this is even before the concept of "Holobox" even existed)

>>30086551
different parent, different policies duh

>>30086081
>Nijisanji: 1
koshien is next week its over... not enough golds...

>>30086050

>>30086639
Because back then it's either Ai, her friend group or Nijisanji. There's no other good choice until Hololive

>>30086705
they were too small for those two to have mattered at the time

>>30086775
FUUUUUUUCK YOOOOUUU AAAAAA NOT AGAAAAAAAIN

>>30085799
>>30085880
This is untrue and retarded when 5 of them were also streamers and were 3views when doing that. Reimu and Millie also had 100k on yt and alsow ere 3 view streamers. Only ones you can make this argument is Ren
>>30086620
I remember how you all were doomposting about anycolor and how they will die but then their financials came out and showed how reality is much different than the theories spout here. Really, imagine saying that, even more with all of the debuts since 2021 gaining so much subscribers to the point where they break records in the agency

>>30086551
She lives in leafland, and her parents WERE soft on her (she was a hikki at one point post uni and indulged in only FFXIV) but she slapped herself out of it and here we are now.

i got some impressive leeching in my recs

>>30086779
Nijisanji was created in feb 2018. Hololive, 774, .Live and most of the agencies just a few months later.

>>30086705
Newfag here, know about Hitomi, but what Mel yab?

kek, seems like people are making money on day trading with their stock.

>>30086864
someone trying to copy discount gura "success?"

>>30086578
Cover is terrible in small decisions that doesn't affect their long term outcome but good at the general strategy. Example for Coco's case:
>bad decision: hiatus while talent is taunting the antis, releasing statement with different message in different languages, then allowing the talent to keep taunting the antis, while doing nothing to stop the antis shitting up the chat and affecting streams, didn't address the company directly
>good decision: pull out of China's market
For Aloe
>bad decision: hiatus when it is clearly just a few antis, statement that talk about nothing important, didn't provide enough emotional support (gen 5 a family kek), didn't check the talent's activity on rm accounts
>good decision: let the talent go instead of insisting her to stay
For Rushia
>bad decision: hiatus (again lmao), statement that does nothing, again not cracking down on the antis, no support for the talent (sankisei family kek)
>good decision: fire Rushia

But the main reason is because all the yabs came from the talent not the company. Those black company that falls, all their yab came from the management.

>>30086163
kek

>>30086705
>Hitomi
Ultimately she blew herself up, and cover got lucky
>Mel
They DID fire the guy, and the issues happened after he got fired. If Mel had chosen to quit over it then yes, cover dies over it but the fact that she stayed on means a LOT in terms of managing the issue.

>>30086932

>>30086918
manager harrassing her. got fired by cover, then stalked mel. mel had to hire her own lawyers to deal with him. cover eventually settled it with her by paying for her lawyer fees or something like that

>>30086918
Manager was creepy and bordering on sex harassment, Mel complains, manager gets fired and starts stalking her, Mel has to hire her own lawyer to sued said ex-manager, Narukami leaks it

>>30086793
Counterpoint: if they were too small, then they wouldn't have the experience, management structure nor fanbase to tank those yabs

>>30086989
Of course it’s a fucking guramefag

>>30086989
so... a clipper?

>>30086775
Jesus I hate that this will become a thing again.

>>30086918
TL;dr
Mel's manager got fired over creeping on her, but stalked her post firing. Cover went ' he's not our employee anymore, what else can we do?' initially but did eventually cooperate with Mel to fix the issue and issued an apology. Its been distorted over time to be a current manager raping her or some other warped version, but point being that Cover hasn't handled it any differently than how most nip companies would have handled it once the guy was fired.

>>30086639
They didn't fully accelerate until 2019, and guess what, they lost the market the very next year

>>30084847
A lot changed ever since Sankisei and Gura/Mori joined

>>30087024
they didn't. but also didn't have the same visibility of the wider public for the yabs to have any long term effect on the company.

>>30086620
there's 0 chance of Anycolor reaching the level of other vtuber companies at this point, they always will be second but it doesn't matter in the end if they make money. Market is already too advanced compared to the time of when Activ8 made errors that served as lesson to everyone

>>30087073
All these talk about nip companies being fucking backward but tell me how a western company, like a music label, would handle such a case?

>>30086705
Hitomi happened when they were unironically too small time for anyone to give a shit about, and also she got memoryholed. Dramaniggers tried to blow up what happened to mel, but the fact that she remained with hololive instead of quitting when she has a reasonably successful roommate channel put the kibosh on that

>>30087024
Back on Hitori Chris days they didn’t have the experience, management structure or the fanbase, it was only Sora and Roboco, and maybe the Sakura Miko Project on the side.
Mel is the #3 debut subbing in for Hitomi.

Here Is a detail few people know: Hitomi gave up the vtuber industry and went to the JAV industry
>webm related

Look her up, she took the name “Hitomi Tanaka”

any new indies going on hiatus or just the same 4 that have been posted already

>>30086950
>hiatus
>Bad

I agree with almost everything else you say, except this
Also the whole "Support for talent" is kinda a weird thing to complain about, consider they don't have to tell us everything BTS

>>30086910
Yeah. And in the span of Feb to May they already have 3 fucking gen.

>>30086864
https://twitter.com/daina_sou
I'm still waiting to see dinosaur Gura's first stream

>>30087134
Example: Nux Incident

>>30087134
Based on how the whole Activision thing gone down they would likely fire Mel and promote the manager

>>30087077
They didn't fully accelerate until 2019? You raelly don't know what youre talking about huh anon?
They debuted:
gen 1 - 8 members
gen 2- 10 members
Gamers - 9 members
SEEDS 1st gen - 13 members
SEEDS 2nd gen - 17 members
VOIZ - 4 members
this is more than the same period in 2019

>>30086920
>inclined in the morning
>crashed after lunch
Seems like an easy way to make money

>>30087134
in the state of california, the guidance i've been given by risk management and hr on a case like this, we (the company) will file for restraining order against said ex-employee on behalf of our employees that are being targeted.

>>30087073
I'll be honest here, it's kinda hard to give cover any flak over that because, seriously, what are you, as a company, meant to do when an ex employee of yours started stalking one of your current employees other than calling the cops and referrring her to a good layer?

>>30087206
Hiatus literally kills a channel's momentum. If Aloe decided to come back for example, she would be in a worse starting point than other gen 5.

>>30087260
2 gens, but thank you for proving my point that they have been like this since day 1

>>30086864
The new Rindou Yuuki

>>30086955
>If Mel had chosen to quit over it then yes, cover dies over it but the fact that she stayed on means a LOT in terms of managing the issue.
You know, I wonder how much stake she had in Cover back then if something like that couldn't make her quit ...

>>30087291
How is that different from what Cover was doing? Laws are different. Is there any legal ground to get a restraining order if you have no prove of stalking?

>>30087187
Kek

>>30087310
get Mel a gun

>>30087341
What happened to her? Did Chumpedos successfully groom her?

>>30087275
gamers and seeds debuted in anothor brand but yeah it was still under nijisanji brand even before the merger and they debuted more in 2018 than 2019

>>30087318
It kills the momentum, but it also kills any potential for new yabs to happen if they streamed. It's the safest way to approach any controversy, just let it cool down by itself.

>>30087365
what would quitting actually achieve for mel considering that the guy already got fired? No, seriously.

>>30087415
kek

>>30087085
Has Hololive had a genuine big hit since Sankisei and Myth? Feels like all the heavy hitters are from that era or earlier.

>>30086634
I am huffing some hopium and think that Cover will eventually let Bae and IRyS produce lots of lots of duo originals.

>>30087330
And that's the point. Cover only got Sora at that time, AI and other old hag was going for the prerecorded video route, mean while Niji already flood the market with Vtuber that do live stream

>>30087134
Western companies can be just as bad as East Asian companies but they also have much more flexible ones that are very proactive due to whistle-blowing culture and freedom of the press.

>>30087310
Go the ID route and (discretely) hire yazuka to beat him half to death with a stick.

>>30087467
Coco, HoloX, the curry show

>>30087272
No.. They would let the manager bully Mel into giving in to his sexual desires, followed by her taking her own life, followed by said manager getting a promotion.

>>30087467
Holooks is doing nothing to advance the industry and I am disappointed. La+ had lots of potential but looking at her squandering them is painful. I would rather trade her for another wagahai.

>>30087505
The yakuza are pretty much defunct nowadays, it's not the 2000s anymore. Why do you think a yakuza heiress is working as a vtuber?

>>30087467
Technically Coco, her first Asacoco was a big hit and managed to secure 5 digit views consistently when it was still kind of difficult for the medium-high hitters to reach that number. Having Miko regularly funneling in with her all-nighter ARK also helped that though.

>>30087424
Worse, SJWs killed her via harassment, threats and unsolicited pornographic imagery.

>>30087550
Chloe actually seemed kind of scary early on with her immediate numberfagging but that blew out pretty fast

>>30087467
Not really but they surely raised their floor in the period. Towa and Mio rising over 10k, Luna and Watame rising over 5k along with almost all girls.

Hololive didn’t debut a new industry shattering superstar like Coco when she appear or Gura when she appeared but they are box pushing for real setting a base level of expected success for each debut which is high as fuck

>>30087318
Hiatus is protecting the talent from the rain of fire that undoubtedly would be worse when they are streaming and hopefully will be gone when they are back from the hiatus. Shut the fuck up and wait is pretty standard procedure.

>>30087467
Wouldn't Kobo be considered a big hitter?

>>30087392
that's for the judge to decide. most court here will believe witness statement especially if they're female. a restraining order is not like putting someone in jail so it does not have a jury requirement. it only becomes a court case if the order is violated.
when a company fires someone for sexual harassment, there's usually already enough internal hr documentation of their conduct. those usually become part of the case if they violate their restraining order.
dunno how japanese court will deal with it but i imagine they have something similar.

>>30087502
>freedom of the press
Only if you're a leftie

>>30087640
Yes. Yes she is indeed a big hitter

Pekkers 2M frame. Give me the numbers.

>>30087678
2M

>>30087678
2m

>>30087467
Just wait for the Gura/Kobo/Salome STARS version. They're going to hit it eventually.

>>30087593
I think she is comfortable with how much SC she is earning. All I am seeing is that she is coasting right now. For their main channels, I only see Koyori and Iroha doing stuff, and Iroha only know how to play MC and RFA but nothing else. La+ and Lui are doing stuff outside of their channels but recently the frequency is reduced, and yet their main channels are still almost empty. La+ should stop with those cringey ass shorts by the way. Nobody watch them.

This Holooks schizo is trying too hard

Man, NijiEN thread is in flame again with another Mysta menhera arc. The Asian fujos are fighting the NA fujos now.

>>30086950
>releasing statement with different message in different languages
Not really their fault since it was written by their CN representative. The same representative that backstab them.

>>30087640
Yeah she is. I certainly didn't expect her momentum to increase instead of just plateauing.

>>30087642
> dunno how japanese court will deal with it but i imagine they have something similar.
kek, Japan doesn’t even acknowledge “stalking” as a thing, nor does most of the world. Reports of “stalking” to the police are met with this answer
>we can’t do anything until he actually harms you

Stalking onLu became a thing in the US because of a high profile case of a stalker of a famous actress killing her after she tried to get police help and failed.
The rest of the world more or less didn’t catch up to that yet.

>>30087678
Damn I love Pekkers.

JWU, who's getting gold today?

>>30087275
NTA but wasn't SEEDS some weird side branch that got merged later to the main branch? Also, I think 60+ talents on its own was tolerable but already pushing the limits. If they slowed down to 1 debut every 10 months or something then they would've been better off. They also really need some sort of quality control. The moment they let just any random guy get in was what really diluted the people's perception of their brand. I still think VTA was a good idea on paper but was terribly executed.

>Triple the waiting room for Pekora comared to Main
It's ogre Paterson... You can't beat the Pecock and her supreme numberfagging.

>>30087784
Lain 3D

>>30087501
Yes? I don't know what you are disagreeing with me

>>30087784
Fuck you nousagi. Your oshi will never reach 3 millions

>>30087724
Not sure whether they discussed it beforehand. Lots of corpos did this by the way because those geezers have no idea people can translate and compare in this day and age.

>>30086847
>I remember how you all were doomposting about anycolor and how they will die but then their financials came out and showed how reality is much different than the theories spout here. Really, imagine saying that, even more with all of the debuts since 2021 gaining so much subscribers to the point where they break records in the agency
All due to HoloEN, anyway. Nijisanji did shit marketing internationally. All NijiEN did were getting crumbs on the floor from HoloEN and the sole fact that they only do 5 talents every year. Most if not all of vtuber fans were probably introduced to Hololive or Vshojo anyway.

>>30087711
>La+ should stop with those cringey ass shorts by the way. Nobody watch them.
She's just learning from her senpai...

>>30087794
You gravely underestimate tourists.

>>30086950
>Different statement in different languages
That one I'll give Cover a pass, in hindsight it's clear that the CN branch had gone rogue at that point, and was likely the straw that resulted in cover choosing to shitcan the branch in it's entirety.

>>30087789
yes but seeds and gamers were called nijisanji seeds and nijisanji gamers even if they were separated. essentially they were all under the same brand

>>30087755
can they get restraining order there?
that is the basis for anti-stalking here. cops can shoot you if you violently break the restraining order. usually just arrested. then it turns into a criminal case from there where you have to convince a jury that there's potential and/or real harm.

>>30087711
But I like the shorts...

>>30087789
>The moment they let just any random guy get in was what really diluted the people's perception of their brand.
Anon, their brand was literally “anyone can be a vtuber”.
It’s the other way around really, I don’t doubt one of the reasons for Mayuzumi departure is that the company is foregoing this
>we provide them with the tools and they do whatever they fancy
and becoming more like Hololive, an entertainment company with editorial and quality control.

>>30087825
>All NijiEN did were getting crumbs on the floor from HoloEN
And boy they did left a lot of crumbs. Look at the nijiEN girls, they are in 4views territory instead of 3view that they rightly belong.

>>30087825
What I have said has nothing to do with international marketing and I'm mainly talking about jp

>>30087550
all 5 of them are bad streamers, all of them for different reasons, but practice is bettering some of them, however laplus can't improve without practice

>>30087873
You like the MC one with Shion in it too? You like the trend-chasing "Anya likes peanuts" one too?

>>30086950
If they agree bilibili demand to kick coco, fubuki and yagoo out their local and western market will tank, agree they did the best decision, can’t think of any.

>>30086918
Mel's pheromones are too powerful, you guys wouldn't understand....

>>30087869
“Restraining orders” are another legal figure I believe to be either exclusive to the US or of very few countries.
In most countries you need actually commit a crime, to be tried and convicted before you can suffer any sort of sanction by the state.

>>30087900
this. nijisanjification isn't just a meme, its literally their objective since the early days. Nijsanji mentality is more of a network where many stream under them than an agency, even if they still act like an agency

>>30087798
Lain, come home... Your 3D won't beat Pecola

>>30087722
How about the ryugards? Still melting down or did the coom asmr stream from finana placate them for now?

>reminder
Vrabi with its new function turned on

>>30087904
Like the mindshare for NijiEN has grown to the point where many people know more about NijiEN than HoloEN due to the NijiEN box.
I think the market now is split between NijiEN and HoloEN at this point. The only place that HoloEN is bigger is on Reddit, but NijiEN total dwarf HoloEN in Twitter activity. More normies know about NijiEN these days than the entire Hololive.

>>30087467
You're saying as if it's easy to get a big hitter, but somehow it's easy for Hololive though. They usually get at least 1 popular one in every gen or 1 dormant popular. Kronii was the most popular one, then mumei and dormant fauna took the spot. Laplus and Chloe was the popular one, then Koyori took the spot. It all comes down to streaming in the end. Even Kaela is the dormant vtuber who only grew popular through time.

>>30087722
Can any chink in this thread point me to where to get information from the chink discussion of niji?

>>30087959
from quick google, they do have it https://www.statista.com/statistics/1006404/japan-number-stalking-cases-restraining-orders/

>>30087966
They even had the “Nijisanji Network” brand where even a passerby without a contract with them could use their app and brand name
>then a couple of them had some Yabes like using copyrighted characters as their models
and they shut it down

>>30087986
More like Mysta causing a split in his fanbase

So does tallyanon got bullied out of the thread? i can't really handle the chaos yesterday.

>>30088075
no, that was just a dude pretending to be him

>>30087986
the fuck did Finana do this time

>>30088032
It's on the catalog anon, you can just check it out.

>>30087900
Then Mayu is naive as fuck if he really thinks that letting any shitter join is good, especially when those shitters do jack shit anyway.

>>30088045
Yeah, seems like things are progressing in the last 10, 20 years there.

>>30088101
ear licking asmr + masturbated/moaning on stream.

>>30088024
Kronii was popular because of her voice, but I finally learn my lesson of never count on the 41%. I mean never. And you are right that those who streams will be more popular. Mumei and Fauna both have little charisma but able to almost get to 5view territory thanks to the holo brand and their "hard work".

Aaaaand that makes it 30.
Time for a celebration stream or smth.

>>30088136
i meant the meltdown part, i could care less about Finana doing whorish things isnt that what her fans want

>>30088121
there's an argument about niche filling and total outreach to be made there tho

>>30088110
Kek. No I mean I want the legit Chink discussion using Chink language. I want to lurk there.

>>30087979
I-I don't think that's the good red-haired girl you're talking about... Based nonetheless.
Come home, Ange, Lain.

>>30088101
Blowjob asmr

>>30088121
It’s a matter of the initial expectations. Sometimes what’s better for the company in the long term and what the early employees prefer aren’t the same thing, and the company ends up cycling their first generation of employees.

>>30087999
It only works on new streams

>>30088154
She is dead, her opinion should be discarded.

>>30088190
Idk, you can probably find it on those Chinese social sites like Baidu or Weibo

>>30087900
Yeah he even talked about it in September last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRUcjFhUdo
And his decision to leave was in November last year, some months after that. He probably felt like the Nijisanji he knew and applied to is no more.

Jesus fuck, can no one in EN hit 10k anymore without an event/collab?

>>30087900
Thank god there is anon that actually followed niji back in the days. NijiEN and holoEN really brought in some clueless newfags.

>>30088243
I would crack up if Yagoo somehow manages to court Mayu. He has a reputation for recruiting interesting people to his house.

>>30088303
owakon
>owakon

IRyS is sad she can't stream as frequent as she used to during the first 3 months anymore...

>>30088303
my wife can.

So do you guys think Mysta is going menhera about the gay shipping because of the success of tempus brotubers?

>>30088237
That is the thing. I can find their biggest den. All are small discussion. Either they hide it well or google search engine is becoming worse and worse.

>>30088327
I think Yagoo will not scrap HoloEN but NijiEN might be in danger under Riku and his vicious management.

>>30088348
get this shit off the thread nigger. Makes me wanna puke.

>>30088348
Probably because Regis told nijiEN that if they want to collab they need to tone down their coombaiting.

>>30088303
3 days ago, anon

>>30088303

>>30088351
>I can
I can't*

>>30088348
Eh, I mean it could be genuine. If it was me I'd set the boundaries from the get-go, but people like him probably entertained the mating press ship art because it wasn't that weird for him when he wasn't subjected to it and his relationship with co-workers were still lukewarm.
But people change and things simply got stale after a while. Just a matter of whether they are willing to keep it up or nah.

>>30088348
NijiEN is full of hypocrite it seems
>Feesh shunning GFE and parasocial stuffs only to do GFE ASMR
>Mysta title and thumbnail baiting

What the fuck is Noor's job? If anything Riku should pay the livers monthly wages, not the management given how fucking useless they are

>>30087794
the slut will show her nipples and win, i wish she gets canned into vshojo where she belongs
but of course she gulps yagoo's cum so that won't happen

>>30088348
It might be a little bit of the contrast of having to work as “gay for pay” and seeing there was an alternative all along.

>check out Rye that ive seen people say will be EN3
>first video on their channel is a room reveal
>comments disabled because algo thinks she sounds like a kid ToT
>"THIS IS WHERE I PISS SHIT AND CUM"
yep thats a wave7

>>30088486
>Pekora, a slut
What did Fujotard mean by that?

>>30088348
that's hilarious isn't that happens because of their own doing. For me it's like you want the coombaiting reward without facing the consequences of said action. No pity for them

>>30088219
no, it doesn't holotranny
why are you lying?

>>30083929
I fucking love Madoka hentai despite never having touched her main work.
Her design is pure SEX.

>>30088348
Management should put them in more fujobait cons, as a joke. What's the gayest convention in NA and Asia?

320k in 8 hours? What the fuck?

Wrong Madoka is the OP though. Real Madoka is up there watching all of us.

>>30087966
The concept of nijisanjification was always strange to me since the only way to really achieve it is to either hire >50% of all known vtubers , even if only domestically. Or to usurp the very definition of being a vtuber, like how "google it" became the catch all phrase for searching for something online (still can't believe that MS tried to make "Bing it" a thing). To be fair to them they got really fucking close to it prior to Hololive's rise in 2019-2020.

>>30088468
He did bait the fujos with shit like this, he can't now try to claim moral high ground before his viewers

>>30088592
Pride parade

>>30088592
Nothing that I know of but if there's any gayest con, it'll definitely be held in Thai.

>>30088598
Le Hindenburg enactment

>>30088608
>he can't now try to claim moral high ground before his viewers
if finana can do a 180, so can mysta

>>30088608
He seems to dislike NSFW shipping with Nijisanji EN members specifically, not NSFW gay art with let's say a faceless guy.

>>30088192
Too many hags, please no....
Their tits must be saggy as fuck

Praying that my oshi streams tonight and gets good numbers. Praying that Mumei and Fauna and Kaela continue to incline. Praying that Pekora's celebration stream generates big numbers and motivates her to greater heights.

>>30088608
Wasn't this one 4 weeks ago? But yeah, pretty quick to have a change of heart in that time span.

>>30088689
No you should use Ayame praying image instead of Miko.

The constant yabs and menhera from Luxiem makes me glad that Tempus put their foot down from the start with their viewers.
The harping from fujoshi must not be good for one's mental health.

>>30087999
It doesn't really work well. According to the N filter, Mumei only got 1 Z so the peak is 21k instead of 19k

>>30088689
yoou forgot to wish death for nijiniggers.

>>30088707
>use a whore instead of my oshi

>>30088645
We'll see feesh would be dead soon anyway, it's only matter of time when her final yabs leaks

>>30088649
But why only with NijiEN exclusively? I remember he did a stream with Shoto that has fujobait title on the thumbnail

>>30088598
Funny short video of Mooms comfiting atrocities. Kanauru honestly should've put the Ukraine war in there somewhere.

>>30088608
Maybe management scold them to turn down fujo baiting and go to idol seiso route like holostars

>>30087936
What's wrong with Laplus though? At one moment she seems very enthusiastic, and the next day it would seem like she doesn't care about vtubing at all.

>>30088602
In their case it was the latter, they wanted to define the 'Vtuber' genre. Not everyone can be a Vtuber back in the days, the amount of money you need to burn for 3D rigs since they were the norm in the 4 Heavenly Kings period was massive, that's why Mito coming up with L2D really changed the flow. It showed that with everyone can be one with minimal cost, and them flooding the market is kind of a testament to that belief.

from botan's title it seems she wants a summer festival in mc this year too

>>30088746
I mean I can undestand him. They are probably talking offline on Discord and they are coworkers/friends.

Imagine seeing images of you making out or having sex with a coworker/friend.

>>30088710
baby step anon baby step, but people really should thanks nijis for broke the camel back and have this things planted as a feature

>>30088746
I can save the feesh.

>>30088756
Vox literally did RP ASMR like a week ago

>>30088348
Mysta and like other luxiem members didn't like the prospects of their fans looking like the ones in AnimeFest where they did the panel. Now, they're forced to do a meet n greet with the same kind of people they've cultivated and attracted. Looks pretty toxic imo. Hololive cultivated a wholesome community so they know their boundaries and only act as normal fans, fans who would respect their oshi. $75 CRX Holo meet and greet is a pilgrimage like any weebs wanting to go to Japan, they want to meet their oshis and say good things about her.

I'd expect luxiem's MLP fans are gonna want them to kiss their ponies in the booths or a literal furry went to their booth and introduced themselves as mr snickerbottom

>>30088602
Nijification worldwide will never fucking happen if they keep insisting on calling their talents livers.

>>30088769
menhera

How far out are we from the collapse of NijiEN?

Anyone got the First Army image?

>>30088769
young and menhera

>>30088154
QUICK, TO THE CARALOGUE

CRX is shaping up to be just HoloExpo lite, with few bones thrown in for smaller corpos. Why did Crunchyroll put so much effort into Hololive anyway?

>>30088893
>soon

>>30088769
Teens, unironically. Prone to mood swings, wanting to enjoy their youth and indulge in vanities, not yet recognizing what's truly important.
Sure they do have a lot of days with recordings and behind the scenes work that leaves them tired, and since we won't hear of those until it comes out I prefer to withhold from calling them lazy.. but yes they could've done better.
Wisdom comes with age, that's why hags are great.

>>30088755
would have unironically been the final yab

>>30088994
because people would actually go to anime cons for Hololive. Think of them as celebrities.

>>30088769
i swear she has undiagnosed adhd or something, multiple times i've caught her being very enthusiastic in like a group thing only for her to be straight up looking at her phone 20 mins later

So did Sana not realize she wasn’t going to be able to play all her beloved Chinese games when she got into Hololive? Or did her Chinese connections cause a fuss and pressured her to not stream? I don’t get it, I guess it’s good that Ina has branched out to Japanese connections more.

>>30089001
>Wisdom comes with age, that's why hags are great.
And, based on how Noir is performing and handling himself, who the fuck would have guessed male hags would work likewise

>>30088888
>>30088934
>>30089001
>>30089053
But iirc she specifically said she is not menhera.

>>30088790
Then she should go propose it to Peko or Miko
MC events are practically their jobs

>>30089064
why would someone want to stream chink games, the only good ones for streams is probably muse dash. Genshin is literally boring to watch,

>>30088994
Proven track record of selling out stuff. Probably also helps that they are the “clean image” type compared to everyone else.

>>30089001
Also want to point before others started calling you out that exception always exists, easiest example being that green whore.

>>30089125
botan used to wrangle peko before, don't know what happened
like just tell peko to grab the ID autists and make them do everything

>>30089121
That's how you know that she is a menhera

I haven't followed Holosummer much, has there been any info on what it actually is? I looked at the website and apparently there's going to be some sort of manga?

any 5ch screencaps during nowa's stream?

>>30089121
that's what they always say anon

Today's Iluna peaks:

>5.573: Ren Zotto (Mario Kart 8)
>5.282: Aster Arcadia (Boxman's Struggle / Open Voice Chat)
>2.908: Maria Marionette (Untitled Goose Game)
>2.262: Kyo Kaneko (Detroit: Become Human - Part 4)
>2.197: Scarle Yonagumi (Unpacking)
>1.393: Aia Amare (Genshin Impact - Part 3 / Voice Chat with Yugo and Maria)

>>30089125
Usaken Summer Festival was Botan and Towa, not Pekora.

>>30089206
Why dont you ask the other thread
>>30088495

>>30088893
>>30088996
In 2 weeks, for sure this time.

>>30089125
Botan and not Pekora was who organized the Usaken Fes last year, no?

>>30089186
Other than it probably going to have some kind of cringe storyline bullshit? No.

>>30089121
i can save her...

>>30089121
There's degrees to it, she's not as destructive as the necromancer but to some level she is still affected by what people say. She has a loving and close family which is what keeps her relatively saner than most menheras we usually talk of.

>>30089232
Speaking of which, what the hell happened to the homo thread? They were suppose to replace global and look at them now

>>30089001
College girls Mumei and Bae can be thrown into that category, Especially Mooms. She can be the big star right behind Gura but all this momentum will be thrown away as soon as her college classes start ….

>>30084243
Correct one is here

>>30089305
its where global posters go to talk about males when they stream since they get shot on sight in global itself.

>>30089305
Holy recline …

>>30089305
No one is streaming at the moment.

>>30088348
Probably saw this cool fucking flip and flipped out cause the only OC he get is him getting hardcore mating pressed.

>>30089144
...she's literally doing that right now anon

>>30088773
Nijisanji feels like the Roman Empire. They helped influence a lot of things but ultimately collapsed because they spread themselves to thin plus all the internal and external conflicts.

>>30089218
Release next wave!

>>30089305
they're super fast during streams but otherwise not, because a lot of them are just /hlgg/ refugees
also i wonder if /pcg/ has cemented itself as the 3rd or 4th fastest general on this board.

People need to stop doomposting about NijiEN because they have been growing a lot bigger than HoloEN thanks to their doomposting.

>>30089397
ACCELERATE

>>30089218
>1.393: Aia Amare
I thought she will be the strongest female in her wave

>>30089397
you think this thread doesn't doompost about holoen? what?

>>30089397
Overall I'm happy, it means vtubing isn't dead yet

>>30089397
HoloEn box can be grown by 10k total ccv with $11 dollars too anon

>>30089396
>I wonder if /pcg/ has cemented itself as the 3rd or 4th fastest general on this board.
They’re on the middle of a drama because one of their streamers said
>DILATE!
and her mods and audience forced her to apologize

>>30089397

>>30089305
>No stream, on perma hiatus
Simple as

>>30089438
She is the weakest tho, and people predicted that before the debut, although people also predicted that Scarle would do well post debut

>>30089396
There are like drama over phase connect every 2 or 3 days which is why they are fast. I am happy that Phase Connect exist though since they took away time from schizo and help other big corpo filtered out potential yab machine.

>build a brand around secluded internal boxpushing
>debut 11 talents over 2 years
>1 talent graduates before you even get up to 15
imagine trying to form a secluded box style streamer ecosystem with 10 streamers

>>30089385
The issue with Iluna is not even about ACCELERATION, it's about atrocious scouting, screening and general judgment when it comes to the auditions.

There is not even one single saving grace for the wave when it comes to its members. It's even more disgraceful if you consider that Nijisanji EN is the most popular it has ever been and they almost certainly had thousands of applicants, even if the 30K meme is not true.

How can you fuck up like that and continue working? It surprises me that the JP management hasn't done anything yet. I guess they are waiting Wave 7.

>>30089491
They've moved onto a new pippa yab, apparently, they found her old reddit posts

>>30089366
ah fuck lmao, imagine if she quits hololive just because she can't play genshin

>>30089438

>>30089491
The absolute state of western viewers. If the tranny stuff have the full force of the government supporting them then the west is no different from China. Thank god we don't.

>>30089555

>>30089396
oh fuck, i just realized fucking TWAIN is managing /pcg/ in vt league 3. hope we face them.

>>30089438
I think you are confusing her with someone else. She was the one with the least hype even before debut and the one predicted by most to be the least popular.

Both Maria, with her cute voice, okay singing/dancing (from her PL videos) and knowledge around otaku culture and hobbies, and Scarle who was, wrongly, perceived as the sexy latina mommy were expected to be more popular.

>>30089536
Nah, she's not that dumb given that she streamed it before
Also, she's currently playing another Mihoyo game, but not Genshin

>>30087869
Japan doesn't have a generalized 'restraining order' like America. They have two provisions for human restriction that are similar, one for domestic violence and one attached to a anti-stalking law that is pretty ineffective since it requires them to give a fuck about the stalking in the first place.

>>30089555
bullysanji lol

>>30089535
qrd?

>>30089001
The same can be said with Chammer ...
Hopefully Kobo won't be caught in the same trap

>>30089529
Magni and Nowa somehow being in stars is fucking bizarre. No fucking way these dudes didn't apply to NijiEN first.

>>30089662
Yeah, you'd be better off not knowing about Kobo situation

>>30089535
It’s likely the same yabe, Phase Connect likely shifting from /here/tubers to /woke/tubers and the blowback with the /here/crowd.

It’s just “Nyanner disavow lolis” 2022

>>30089674
magni aim for holo, but nowa seem also apply for niji

>>30089674
Maglord PL loves idol stuff tho, no?

>>30089223
>>30089253
Botan idea, Pekora execute it
Either way those 2 can rally people, Botan can't so if she want MC event she would still need PekoMiko anyway

we need more kovalskias in JP, i need my PoE autist holo