/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2979335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEuy2-H1zo

>>2979335
I like Lulu

>>2979335
One has an idol theme

>>2979335

Yagoo made comparisons of Hololive with AKB, so he sees it more like a virtual idol agency, while Nijisanji, for me, feels more like a basic entertainer kinda shit. The pressure put on Hololivers images is heavier and I'm goddamn sure its a lot harder to get into Hololive nowadays, but on the flipside, even if you don't hit big within Hololive, you already have a lot more income and viewers than the big Nijisanji stars, cause Hololive seems to be a lot more popular on the west than Nijisanji is.

>>2979335
Hololive designs are typically brighter and more colorful, which children are often drawn to.

I don't find nijisanji entertaining in general, but there's really no reason to go after them since they are the less popular option among westerners anyway.
I'm just curious about how nijiEN will play out, i'm expecting a shitshow.

>>2979335

Hololive is for crazy people or people who want to get crazy

Nijisanji is for laidback people who stream as a hobby

>>2979727
Then why is my oshi monochrome?

>>2979789
they have that "2japanese4u" aura

>>2979789
I feel like Nijisanji is entertainment for Japanese people. It's a lot easier for a westerner to get Hololive jokes than it is for them to get a Nijisanji joke.

I, for once, want to get a lot more comfortable with Japanese before I watch more Nijisanji streams, and also because I can't fucking find Nijisanji translators.

Hololive talents interacts less with males due to le gachikois being a sizable chunk of their viewers, compared to the more "normie" Nijisanji audiences. Is it bad? Girls like Rushia has oil barons paying for that GFE experience and this is good for business, but there's cases like Towa's yab, causing nips to leave her and now half of her viewers are overseas fans.

Meanwhile, most if not all Nijisanji viewers wouldn't give a fuck if their favorite Niji VTuber collabed with males constantly.

>>2979335
One's an idol VTuber agency, the other is a normal VTuber agency.

>>2979882
That's idol culture for you, but this is the shallow idol culture. Also the sick bastards give them more money.

>>2979825
>typically
There are exceptions

>>2979878
I can help with the latter.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFpzlwK5Lgm8lUVp_NXU2PsqBkiPmpHsX

>>2979335
holo have a idol image and singing and dance events around them.

nijis are more normal streamers and do varity events too, but also most "livers" dont seem that commited to the streaming and stream less than most holos with some exceptions. This a good thing or a bad thing depending on your perspective of what you spect from them.

Males and females collab too much in Niji which is a deal breaker for me. If I wanted to watch whores I would just watch Vshojo. I prefer the pure idols of Hololive.

>>2980016
Is this false flag

>>2980016
>the pure idols of Hololive
Not on my watch

>>2979335
seethe, indiefag

>>2980016

>>2979972
I liked this one: https://youtu.be/eFZ8xh6NCog

>>2980090
>>2980147
It obviously is.

>>2979972
Thanks friend, you are a friend

>>2980016
this, but unironically

I want to fuck the panda.

I guess it's because both fanbases argue about whether or not their companies were black companies, though from what I hear Nijisanji did have aspects of that in the past before Ichikara did a major shake up and there's of course the Mel incident in Cover. Both companies have their pros and cons, and one side is arguably too hands off while the other is arguably too strict.
I guess its just down to presentation at the end of the way, do you like your chuubas to feel like idols? Or do you like them to feel more like standard streamers/entertainers with avatars? Either way you'll be fine.

>>2980330
>Or do you like them to feel more like standard streamers/entertainers with avatars
This

Nijisanji is basically just a bunch of twitch thots/fags with anime avatars complete with the toxic culture and fanbase that goes with it.

>>2979797
>crazy people or people who want to get crazy
Generally speaking, that sounds more like Vshojo than Hololive. Not everyone is Haachama or Ollie.

>>2979992
Honestly I think Nijisanji has more going on in the way of music and events than Holo. Maybe Holo will start pumping out more now they have grown in popularity but in terms of proper events at a venue Niji did what maybe 14 in the last year that I can think of off the top of my head with some of them even being planned but cancelled for rona while Hololive did 2? They release or have planned multiple company albums in the year and CDs for maybe 5-6 different units/individuals. And Holo did one group album, a few releases for Sora and one for Mori.

Not that its supposed to be taken as a bad thing or anything like that. Just that people often bring up that as being a focus of Hololive in contrast to Nijisanji.

>>2979451
>comments are turned off

That fucking slut.

>>2979335
Nijisanji can sex with other girls on stream. Hololive has schizo fans so they can't.

when i look at the niji roster there are a lot more characters that i have no idea what their design goal/inspiration/whatever is
with holo almost all of them have a clear "thing" going on. I think there are like 3 or 4 that are "just schoolgirls" and variants

>>2980540
unfortunately thats not the image that ichikara gaves. Hololive is the vtuber idol company, the effort of ichikara on a few doesn't translate to the whole brand.

Niji sells their talents in a bunch of things, and as such they don't have a concrete image for outsiders. Their marketing is a master of many but ace of none. If its good or bad it depends on the viewer perspective.

>>2980770
They're enabled in the original video. You can comment there if you want to be the EOP who comments on a year old video to complain.

>>2980855
Maybe to audiences outside Japan, but I don't know how you fix that, Nijisanji's music stuff still sells better there.

>>2981094
maybe physically since most wotn botter paying fees for a disc, but hololive seems doing good digitally since it is popular around the world.

But sells are beside the point, the point is the image even with the same talent. Hololive is the idol vtuber agency.>>2979451
That is their marketing.

>>2981094
I guess maybe you could say it does. Hololive's group album just came out so there really isn't much there to compare to Niji's group albums. For solo albums though Sora's albums have outsold every Niji solo album.

>>2980097
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>2979335
Watch Hololive for the girls, watch Nijisanji for the guys. Niji has some girls worth watching like Lulu, Mito and Naraka but Hololive does not have guys worth watching. Almost all vtuber company has games and songs because money. Running your own concert is harder but joining a concert is possible for vtubers in smaller companies.
>>2980540
Hololive has overseas fans but how many holofags actually like their music and are willing to pay for it? Like that week where they kept putting up original songs. Piracy of their stuff is also more common, maybe due to overseas popularity or Chinese, the full versions of some of their songs have tons of views on youtube so they are people listening but they aren't buying.

>>2981172
All the NijiFes segments also sold better than bloom, right now Hololive has a bigger international audience but timezones for westerners and SEAniggers being dirt poor is an issue.

>>2981242
Isn't Kaede the only solo album in Nijisanji?
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/739603/rank/album/
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/741812/rank/album/

She did hit 12th, but that was way back in early 2019. Kaede's most recent one has certainly done better, but either way both are just doing decent even considering how album rankings are harder.

I agree with >>2981172 though, it doesn't matter how well stuff sells, Hololive is marketed as the idol agency. It's hard to keep track of digital sales not on Oricon, but there's no way it "bombed" considering their popularity worldwide. Before anyone mentions apple music rankings, those are a goddamn meme. I'm also looking forward to seeing how Bouquet does, especially since it seemed to be promoted pretty hard on D4DJ too.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/755192/products/1390609/1/

>>2979335
Both are better than ENfags and really we should unite on that basis.

>>2981698
The SilverDevils one didn't. Also while the people clamoring about "100k+" off some guy who said you could see viewer counts on spawn are being morons, they are right in that people were split between the two, so both probably did better than any individual segment except the boys one.

>>2981704
I wouldn't say it bombed, any other group that wasn't Hololive or Nijisanji would never sell as much, but the data for it so far doesn't look like its going to be all that close to Nijisanji's last group album. Theirs sold 20k+ in physical on the first day and was at number 1 on the chart. Bouquet was I think 4th and somewhere less than 9k.

>>2979727
Everyone is drawn to more colorful designs, anon. The human mind is simple like that.

>>2981704
So Bouquet can be bought digitally

>>2980330
>Both companies have their pros and cons, and one side is arguably too hands off while the other is arguably too strict.
Eh, from what I can tell they're strict about different things. Idk if things have changed, bit even after the internal changes at Niji I still hear they're harsher about maintaining your scgedule, while Holo is more about their image (I honestly think they're scared after the Taiwan incident).

>>2982202
*but
*schedule
Fucking typos.

>>2982202
>Niji
>schedule
?

>>2982202
From what I can tell Nijisanji members dont even have a schedule? Some of them will post one sometimes or put it on their free chat. But most of them seem to stream sporadically and randomly all the way from a handful of times a month up to daily with whatever frequency they like rather that having to stick to anything.

>>2979839
This. There's just something about Niji's chuubas that completely filters me. Maybe because they are more in line with NND culture.

>>2982422
There's a voice schedule, actually a deadline, should they choose to do them.
Some members don't bother but others release voice packs every month and major event.

>>2982560
yeah that much is obvious, if you want to partake in selling a voice the company needs it on a certain date to publish it but thats all completely voluntary participation and I got the impression the poster was talking about a streaming schedule anyway

>>2982613
I thought they did, but I could be mistaken. I'm only going off hearsay.

I don't really care, i just want Hoshikawa to sit on my face and dominate me.

>>2979335
Nijis are NND while holos are non- or pre-fuckup Idolbu. One is closer to Japanese net/streaming culture while the other is closer to trying to replicate and improve the explosive international appeal of early Kizuna Ai.

Another way to look at it, is that very early on, YAGOO wanted hololive to go international even if his definition of international at that time was China. But Niji-NND was always insular. When weebs got stuck at home and anime couldn't even be produced on time, hololive had a ready group of anime girls who had experience handling gaijin and a popular English-speaking chuuba like Siro in Coco.

>>2979335
Hololive is very generalist in terms of content. They are usually doing singing, talking, and gaming streams equally. But even that, Hololive still has a consistent image as vtuber idol company.
On the other hand, Nijisanji is very specialist in terms of content. Usually, their talents only do one thing more than others. For me, Nijisanji looks like a coalition between different type of streamers rather than one group united by a clear image

>>2979878
>It's a lot easier for a westerner to get Hololive jokes than it is for them to get a Nijisanji joke.
Any examples? Preferably with jokes you understand.

>>2979878
I'm gonna shill these clips of Kanae because he's fucking hilarious

Here's him capturing and torturing 3 people in ARK
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hSjBjai8c4k
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JyQ9mEdSKws
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uWbnlrP6Yw8

Kanae being a devil
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N_RbFd7PFus
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXe3_xspV4k
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MdP2x_oeN88

Kanae's first twitch stream
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TrdSYoB5SKg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4kP5v_2_RzU

Kanae speaking with his english audience
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V1BTQclaIbE
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zpNB5SmA0sw

Kanae being horny
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pr5nxjtMVuQ

>>2982202
>Niji I still hear they're harsher about maintaining your scgedule
Bane...
Gil...
Kataribe...

>>2984014
Kohaku...

>>2984014
One day Sayo will have usable internet.

>>2983892
that clip of him speaking to the spammer...world heritage clip

Hololive = Coca Cola
Nijisanji = Pepsi

>>2979878
Nijisanji is an entertainment Vtuber agency, their content is move various like TV channel in Japan. Their most popular programme are B-class variety and Lever-gacha-daipan for a reason
B-class variety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc_r8BhGM9E
Lever-gacha-daipan ( part 1&2 are all translated, just turn on the CC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7egHj103U

>>2983869
This is probably the best response on the page, and both approaches are cool in their own way.

>>2985443
Oh fuck, now that i think about it

>>2979724
It's called quality control. NijiEN will be nowhere near as popular as HololiveEN. I can already tell NijiEN won't be able to survive the attacks from Twittercucks. Nyanners kneeled, and so will they. Gura has yet to "apologize" and she never will. And just look at kiara. She was a fucking mess beforehand, but management straightened her out. Now she knows that not sperging out is what actually prevents her from losing subs and gaining more.

>>2979724
If you get in Hololive you're set, its why Hololive doesn't really try new stuff cause why bother if simps keep simping, unless you're a male...

>>2985443
Hololive = SMent
Nijisanji = JYP
if you're kpopfags

>>2979335
hololive = whores pretending to be virgins
nijisanji = virgins pretending to be whores

>>2991451
I don't really get what either of those references are supposed to mean neither coke vs pepsi or this one

>>2979335
Nijisanji let any weirdo in without any prior background checks, then just let them do what the
fuck they want while making money off them. They chune them out like how the usual media shits out a number of crap in hopes that at least one will be enough to make them more money.
I can tell you in confidence most Nijifags could barely name more than a handful of the livers and it’ll always be the popular ones, rarely if ever will you even know about the top few while the others just dies off or something without any notice. Nijisanji is basically netflex in that there is just a ton of shit that exist but nobody can ever watch enough of them to know why certain shows even exist.

>>2991451
Hololive = Apple
Nijisanji = Android

>>2991609
Except apple being more popular in japan.

Hololive is Jojo (Fans act obnoxious and run all jokes into the ground. Chaotic, creative ideas half-realised but in a traditional structure. Fans will not shut the fuck up about it)

Nijisanji is One Piece (Way too big. The fact it's so daunting to get into alone puts everybody off. Fans are a more self-satisfied kind of obnoxious. This time the contents isn't quite as unorthodox but the structure is)

>>2991658
Oh, I meant in a Apple ecosystem/bubble and mainstream (western) popularity vs. Android variance kind of way

>>2986296
Fuck, that image is painfully accurate...

>>2982202
>niji
>strict about schedule
Almost all the ones i follow have such an irregular schedule i end questioning if I forgot to follow them from time to time
Also that's a bold statement when there's a rrat running around for months about hololive recent contracts requiring their talents to stream at least 3 times a week

>>2991669
One Piece is easy to get into. Daunting would be trying to get into western superhero comics.

>>2991576
I don't get why you need to watch everything in the first place. Do you claim to watch every Holo regularly?

Nijisanji didn't state Taiwan is a country I can't believe them.

>>2992236
>implying he watched any vtubers
He wouldn't spam any stupid rrat here if actually watched any vtubers.

>>2992236
I think it's more like that kind of thing where you are presented with so many choices your brain just shuts off and it becomes difficult to come up with any good reason to choose one over the other.

>>2992277

Does nijisanji do GFE? I need it

>>2992294
It's called choice paralysis anon

>>2979335
they're exactly the same

>>2981759
/hlg/ would agree

>>2992294
I don't think that is the case. It's not like Hololive where everyone is basically same thing save some vtuber like Botan and Korone. Remember, Nijisanji is extremely specialized vtuber with their own specialty. Think like decisions tree.

>>2992532
As someone new to it though you might go look at a wiki or the homepage and you are confronted with rows and rows of pictures and names with nothing else to go on but the design unless someone who knows nijisanji pointed you in the direction of something you might like already. The obvious answer is just to watch group matome or whatever until you see someone who piqued your interest but yeah.

>>2991669
Nah, Nijisanji is Sazae-san while Hololive is Dragon ball

>>2992658
The way I got into nijisanji was just stumbling upon one chuuba I liked (through a clip) then starting to watch her content, the collabs would introduce me to new people which I'd then do the same thing. Doing that I got to know most of JP's roster in a year or so.

>>2992036
>recent
>rrat
Clips featured Suisei mentioning that entering hololive required her to do 3 streams a week. That's more than a year ago. Exceptions obviously exist (Ayame, Azki) but that could be explained by a different contract or Cover counts minimum hours/week like you can do 1 3-hour stream/week or 3 1-hour streams or even 1 6-hour stream every two weeks

>>2979335
I just hate EOPs.
Simple as

>>2992658
This.

>>2992036
ogey

>>2980823
Just like what happened recently with the onimama?

>>2979825
Because in mother Russia there is no such thing as colorful

>>2979335
I dont hate Nijisanji, and dont watch the majority of holos either. But I just love Pekora & Marine.

>>2982202
I've only started watching nijis a month or so ago and it's obvious how their schedules are more flexible than even Ayame's.

>>2979335
The only difference that I see is how one company has more people that I don't care about than the other one. The ones that pull me in end up doing it regardless of who they work for.

>>2994543
That was Fujos, Yumejoshi, and Kuzuha antis. They just target Onimama because she is easy target compared to Kuzuha.

>>2994842
Yeah, but my point was that it was still caused by schizo fans, just another breed of them. No matter how people try to paint it, if you get as big as the likes of some holos and Kuzuha you will end up attracting those.

>>2993043
Starting with 3rd gen Hololive required their talents to stream 3 times per week which is why Ayame and Mel are able to get stream less since they got different contacts.

The 3 streams/week clause is pretty much confirmed though. I forget the exact wording but I'm pretty sure the application for HoloEN 1 and 2 both ask something like "are you able to stream at least three times per week"

I'm personally more of a fan of Nijisanji model but Hololive's stricter requirements are undoubtedly better for viewer retainment and engagement. There's a reason people like Pekora and Marine who often only take 1 break day a week are at the top of Hololive.

>>2979451
I don't see what's supposed to be so controversial about what she said because Nui ends up admitting that this was just her preconceived image of both companies and that she was pretty ignorant about it at the time.

>>2993043
>>2995060
>not a rrat
Point still stands that between the two companies the one with stricter streaming requirements is Hololive. Not that is necessarily a bad thing, anyone remotely successful would tell you that streaming is a daily grind if you want to grow or even just retain your fanbase

>>2995275
ogey

>>2995060
The requirement for the Niji EN audition was explicitly 3 days a week too. The previous ones that were open audition for JP back in late 2019 weren't so specific I think it said several days or something along those lines.

>>2995412
>The previous ones that were open audition for JP back in late 2019 weren't so specific I think it said several days or something along those lines.
Nah, one of the newest girl streams one a month. Nijisanji doesn't have salaries so they are pretty loose

>>2995412
Iinchou talked about the requirements for streaming back when she auditioned, I think she said it was three times a week but then it turned out most people didn't stick to the schedule too much.
It was also from that video that she said the audition website looked sketchy and "black", which is probably what some of the retards use as reference for their delusions of Ichikara being (or used to be) a black company, even though it was always a tech startup with young management.

>>2994543
Not a single one of them were her or Kuzuha's fans though. They even stated that in her chat. They came from some twitch streamer who hates vtubers.

>>2995678
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000108.000030865.html
>週に数日の活動スケジュールを確保できる方

One has Tsukino Mito and one doesn't, that's enough for me

>>2995978
Yeah, I hate that bitch too.

I like quite a few of nijisanji's overseas talent, especially Roha, Im waiting for her to get a piano in korea too

>>2995935
Thanks that is what I'm trying to find. I dig on that mad scientist girl but her requirement kinda demanding desu. Also I hope Wolfgang guy(?) is actually good at gaming. That teacher should be someone who is actually a teacher like Gundou. But maybe they will just pull some random JET. That /fit/ genki girl has sexiest costume but what is this mean?
> 平日はスーツ姿でバリバリ働く。

>>2996253
That's from 2019, there's a good chance we'll never see those characters debut.

>>2996299
The water girl at the very bottom is NijiKR audition now.

>>2995871
Oh, so they were the Jun cocksucking brigade.

From what I've learned from being friends with both Holo and Niji fans, most Hololive fans are racists while Nijifans are majority SJWs

>>2994609
Anon you motherfucker I laughed so hard at that

Hololivers (and holostars) are idols.
Nijisanji is an offpaco circle.

>>2980016
this but unironically

>>2995935
I am simping the shit out of that Wolfgang dude

>>2996889
The SJW hololive fans are on twitter, just look at HoloEN art tags and take a look at their descriptions and what they retweet and like.

>>2979839
I think Holopro members make efforts to speak in a way people not fluent in Japanese can understand more easily

>>3001836
>Korone

>>3001949
Korone is cute

>>3002013
Yes but her mix of Tohoku and Kansai dialects is hard to understand even by other holos

>>3002125
Korone's content is games, not zetsudans. EOPs watch her to see her being cute, laughing and shouting at things on stream

>>3001836
The chuuba with the easiest Japanese is in my opinion Rin. The only ones who are even easier to understand don't speak Japanese as their first language.

>>2981693
Didn't both of Mori's ep's go number 1 on itumes?
plus views on youtube count as streams and they get paid either way

>>3002371
Rin is indeed easy to understand. I often tune in her streams just to listen her speak hours on end

>>3002588
She hit #1 on daily rankings for itunes downloads. Itunes download rankings are a meme because they have very little market share since no one actually wants to buy songs individually vs streaming everything monthly, and even then Apple Music barely has 20% market share. To add to that, daily rankings are even worse even on Oricon, because songs will very often hit #1 just by virtue of their release date. You have to go by weekly at the very least if not monthly, and also consider how long the song is in the top 100. Highest position should also be taken into consideration, but there's a bit of variance depending on what you compete with on release and how large the platform even is.

https://kworb.net/aww/archive/
She hits #2 on 10/21, #1 on 10/22, and does well for 4-5 days. Then she falls off a cliff past a week, and not just to like #30 or #40. She's #22 on the 4th day, #54 on the 5th, and #160 on the 6th.

>>2996382
no? that's completely different.

>>3007038
the 3rd from the left is the same as the last character on that list

>>3007298
I would simp that Ojou from the right

>>3007404
She reminds me of Furen.

>>3007886
She looks like a weird hybrid of Furen and Gibara to me. Maybe it's the blonde (yes gibara is more orange/reddish i know) mixed with the blue eyes and the ruffled hair

>>2979451
Hololive will never have something like Mito or Gundou huh

>>3009068
Gunmichi can go fuck herself with a 2m bad dragon dildo

>>3009168
Seeth

Gibara was like 1/3 of the appeal of Niji for me so now that my dirty, greedy Cinderella is gone I prefer Holo. But the differences are often over-stated.

>>3009674
Is there even a holo unapologeticly greedy like gibara?

Why doesn't any of the niji's link to each others channels.

>>2979335
Hololive is Lucky Star. Nijisanji is Joshiraku.

>>3002371
sexy ff14 grandma

>>2983869
Yeah. To me hololive kinda like order of knight with optimum build stat member. Holo = united brand, good interaction with all member & general content like sing, gaming, freetalk. meanwhile nijisanji is more like adventurer guild with lot of solos & party member with certain/meta build stat. Niji = more freedom, various content (awesome to bad), interaction also varied between member.

>>3016083
Underrated post

>>2979335
Niji has like no clippers/translators. That's all I really know about them since I'm EOP scum.

>>2987601
Nyanners was the original trend chasing SJW anime cunt, so it's not fair to assume that Niji will do anything based on that.

>>2981704
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2021-05-03/
1st week for Bouquet 14,637
In terms of vtuber albums not bad. The only other vtuber albums I think with better 1st week sales are Nijisanji's two group albums from last year with 15,988 and 24,834 respectively and the first album from Nijisanji's Raindrops unit with 16,645. About on par with the Raindrops units 2nd album at 14,579.
Digital sales 780 copies
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-05-03/

>>2979335
Hololive is a group. Even if you only regularly watch 3 or 4 Holos, there's enough collabs between various members that you will eventually be at least vaguely familiar with most of them.

Nijisanji is a company. There are small groups that regularly collab with each other, but for most Nijis if they didn't have Nijisanji in their channel name they'd be indistinguishable from indie vtubers. You can easily watch 10 Nijis regularly and never know anything about any other member.

>>3024668
I really find it hard to buy that you could be following 10 nijisanji members regularly for a reasonable amount of time and not get to know the majority of the rest of the company. Lots of people follow that exact same process you described with Hololive with Nijisanji too. Maybe if you just stuck with 1 or 2 members and never checked out the people they collab with and see the other people the people they collab with collab with.

>>2983892
I love his psychopathy, but I also love his generosity
KANAE LOVE!

>>3024668
>There are small groups that regularly collab with each other
You're omitting the fact that every member is a part of several such groups.
It's like saying that Usada Kensetsu and Akukin Kensetsu are completely separate groups that only collab between themselves.

>>2979335
>What exactly would make someone like Hololive but not like Nijisanji, or vice versa?

Brain damage.

>>3025309
good post

>>3009168
Oh, she does.

>>2987601
QRD on what Gura has to apologize for?

Hololive = Nintendo
Nijisansji = Playstayion
Vshojo = Xbox

>>3026290
console wars time

>>3009068
And thank fuck for that.

The difference is that Hololive rejects pass Nijisanji auditions instead of those held by Hololive

>>3026414
Mito would be cool. I'd love to see her anf Haachama combine for the most cursed stream ever.

Gundou though. Fuck that dirty (actual) whore. Absolutely detestable vtuber.

>>2979335
What is the difference?

Hololive good, Nijisanji bad. Simple as.

>>3025309
best post

>>3024454
Not really sure how to interpret it. Nijisanji is more popular in Japan? Hololive fans don't care about music as much? Foreigners won't buy your merch?

>>3026467
basado

>>3026467
Yeah no, Mito and Haachama aren't similar. Haachama videos are EOP bait and her becoming her main content. Mito does cursed streams in a way that doesn't disregard the fanbase she's been building for years

>>3026558
>Oricon
>Foreigners
Maybe the should start selling outside of Japan instead of forcing people to use VPNs to buy their products.

>>3026919
As can be seen from the lives on SPWN, foreigners actually pay if you provide a non-retarded platform that won't reject their IPs or credit cards.

>>3026777
so basically haachama does stupid low quality EOP bait while Mito is actually creating content that is worth watching?

>>3026558
Most holofags probably aren't interested in music outside of some like Sora/Comet/AZKi since alot of fans came in during 2020 due to streams/clips. Azur Lane and stuff like Holofes might've pulled in some fans like the earlier translators but most came after that as well as after Scatman and probably even after xpotato. There's alot more piracy with Holo stuff as well (probably due to being more popular overseas), especially after the China thing.

kanae

>>3026558
Oricon doesn’t count foreign sales at all (because kpop sales manipulation)
Those sales charts are purely domestic sales.

>>3026962
Also $20-30 shipping kills foreigner sales

>>3029850
And add customs on top of that if you live in the EU. Not the first time that I've ended up paying double the price after shipping and taxes.

>Hololive
Vtubers
>Niji
Normal streamers trying to cash-in using cartoon avatars
>Indies
Hobbyists

>>2980016
this but unironically

>>3029060
This perfectly sums up Hololive and Nijisanji, respectively

>>3032299
Not even trying.

>>3032363
It's funny to see the discrepancy between Nijisanji and their talents. The firm wants an EOP audience while most talents in the company are focusing hard on their Japanese audience

>>3033184
Issue is for a lot of them is that they run the risk of alienating their existing fan base due to their Japanese centric content.
There’s no way management is going to tell them to make their content EOP friendly in the hopes of attracting them.

>>3033184
Honestly that's a good point about them. Despite how much they want to get into the English speaking market, their talents are still free to ignore it if they want to. Even Cover with how much they are focused on the EOP market, you can see how not everyone does English-only or Duolingo streams.

>>3033350
Not that there is anything wrong with being happy with your current audience but I keep seeing that narrative when there is only proof of that ever happening to Haachama.

>>3033184
Akane and Utako definitely want En audience. Mito too. But rest don't really care.

>>3002371
Oh she has speech to text in japanese, really helpful.

>>3033456
>Mito
First I heard about this. Does she pander to EOPs at all?

>>3033456
I'd add Alice to that list too. she doesn't speak English a lot, but makes an effort to greet overseas viewers in her chat when they say hi

>>3033550
Not that I have seen, the most I can think of is that she has mentioned that she noticed the overseas reaction to some of her weirder videos.

>>3033739
The most recent mention is how the top comments in her Nazono Mito (the kigurumi) video are in English, I think.

>>2992502
I never thought I’d actually kinda agree with an /hlg/ poster

I don’t hate EN though

>>3030863
without nijisanji, hololive wouldn't be a thing a nigger

>>3033184
sara tried like two times

>>3034025
Hololive is older than Nijisanji idiot

>>3035835
It's not quite about the age of the agencies, but more about their success. Nijisanji used to be more popular than Hololive and a lot of their fans thought that Hololive was leeching when the two companies started to do collabs. It's probably why a lot of them are still butt hurt when talents like Miko, who used to collab with them, including their guys, now don't do it as much because they've gotten popular and would lose fans by doing so. In other words, jealousy

>>3036016
So what you are saying is.......Nijisanji got cucked?

>>2979335
Nijis aren't idols and get into relationships / flirt with guys
Holos are idols and don't do that

>>3036058
That's the spirit of it I guess

>>2980016
this but unironically

>>3035835
Yeah and they'd have the same fate as idolbu hadn't they copied the live streaming with live2D formula.

>>3024454
If Suisei was on this album I can guarantee it would've sold at least 5k more

>>2986296
I look forward to B-variety episodes every week. They're really well written for what looks like a throwaway project.

>>2979335
none

>>3034025
rumao

>>3039235
Not in the way they are right now at the very least. That can be said about any "if" obviously but here it's more prominent, really.

>>3038669
And Sora was already trying her a hand at it back in 2017.

>>2991502
the hololive girls may not be saints but there isn't a single virgin in nijisanji. Hell, even nijifags don't deny that. They just talk about how they don't care their girls are whores.

>>3039299
Nah, it's just that virgins in Niji don't really get that much traction(they don't in general everywhere).

>>3039284
I won't say that between Mito's and Fubuki's debuts they weren't taking notes on what to do but they already had their hand on live streaming, it just wasn't Sora's purpose at the time.

>>3039369
name one virgin in nijisanji

>>2979882
>Hololive talents interacts less with males due to le gachikois being a sizable chunk of their viewers
that's only been the case for just over a year, male collabs still occurred frequently until the end of 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNb79BqnZC0
>but there's cases like Towa's yab
maybe Towa shouldn't have lied to her viewers... yeah, we totally believe you Towa! there are two managers right behind you while you're streaming... at your home...
>>3033456
>>3033683
there's been several others that have done EN focused streams in the last couple months. Noraneko's English stream was pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX_onUBlv-A and Gwelu Os Gar's was funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLwmz7HV0b0 (although that one was intended for a JP audience)
>>3039475
Utako or rather her character is

>>3039475
I don't know if she's a virgin but even if she's railed every night goddamn check Natsume she's the embodiment of seiso. I mean, we never know if it's all an act so all that's left is to stick to what is posted on their accounts. In the end, it's not about the actual state of thing but the perception.
Also it's one of the cases where the vtuber follows their lore to the very tiny bit of it since her lore is what she is.
And I'd also ask who you think are the virgins of Hololive cause I don't really follow them all that much.

>>3039558
Kind of shitty that they found a still image of Miko and got somebody to imitate her voice. Miko would never collab with males. Were they trying to slander her?

>>3039954
sorry anon, your elite shrine maiden idol used to talk about porn games with an old man https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1167949605385854976

>>3039983
Miko has literally talked to a male. That's so far in the past that it doesn't count.

>>3040058
*literally never

>>3039983
Suspicious that you didn't link the video. Perhaps because it doesn't exist!!! SLANDER!!

>>3040222
>you will never make Miko burst out laughing like this old man did
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm35649281

>>3040345
WTF slut I hate Miko now.

>>3040345
:fire: Maimoto :fire:

>>2979335
I watch both. My opinion is that Hololive is very much solo. There's occasional collabs and ships, but they normally do a lot of single person streams. Niji is all about the collabs and Liver interactions. It's fun because they're all doing stuff together. Their solo streams are less fun.

Both have good and bad points. Just enjoy whatev you like. I hate the whole "vtuber company wars."

>>3039475
Himawari

>>3039954
Miko is a whore. Do your doxx reps

>>3039475
Ange

>>3042708
Those doxx reps aren't true though. Do your real reps.

>>3041773
It's just another kind of the retarded console wars or sports club wars.

Niji has more diversity in (specialized) entertainment and collaborations. I watch some of the Holo girls, but the GFE pandering is too much at times. Also
>homostars will NEVER be competitive

>>3039475
Asuka Hina, Aiba Uiha, Warabeda Meiji, Lize Helesta, Chaika, Ririmu, Amemori Sayo. I didn't watch Sango but she look like she is one.

>>3042880
>Ririmu
Are you sure about that?

>>3042880
>Chaika

>>3043152
I thought Ririmu was a virgin. Explain.

>>2993783
i thought westerners are cool

>>3044045
Just look at her

>>3044193
Cute onahole.

>>3044193
cute onahole

>>2979568
This is a meme at this point. Both companies do the same shit for their concerts and fan-related jobs.
This is some neutral comparison between companies in my opinion:
Both came out as Vtuber group but Niji focus more on individual while Holo focus on promoting the whole brand.
Niji have more freedom. Holo are stricter, most are self applied by the talents to protect the brand.
Niji contents are flexible, they got more permission and no yab from China. Holo girls all jump on one game after they got permission.
Niji lack a challenge to prove their loyalty, friendship and the bond with their fans, even Hana Machia admit that she saw them nothing more than egirl/eboy. Holo have gone through many yab and still stand strong with each other, they promote their brand as family and be serious about it. I mean, let be real, as a company, do you choose to cut 50-70% of your audience and future sponsorship from a 1.5 billion market to stand with a single employee? Even fired other 6 employees when they show a sign of backstabbing. That is some yakuza level of rule.
If you want more variety, various contents then watch Niji, if you want to watch women being loyal to their friends and fan base, then Holo is for you. Niji is like a theater with a lot of fun while Holo is more like a "family" that you enjoy seeing them happy.

>>3044759
Family?
When all of them hate eachother?

>>3044759
>neutral
holy grass

>>3043730
Chaika is pure as white snow.

>>3002125
She has a unique intonation and gets teased for it but there's nothing hard to understand about her.

>>3039475
Ange.

>>3040345
holo's pussies belong to nijichads

>>3044759
Couldn't put it any better.

>>3040345
SUBARU YOUR DAD IS HITTING ON YOUR CO-WORKER

>>3044759
>"family"
lol, you can see the way hololive's operation is much in line with traditional idol company, from pushing the family image of the group to apologization for tiniest thing to please their unicorn fan

>>3040345
>NND
Yeah, no. It isn't on Miko's youtube channel so I'm not believing this NND link when viewers there already have a history of anti attacks against Miko. It could easily be faked. Miko would never talk to a male

>>3040345
So this is why Miko has to pretend to hate men.

>>3046955
Literally consume medicine schizo

>>3044759
Wasn't expecting something like this to trigger the mentally ill.

I mean, most Holomems are bad with men, why would they go out of their way to collab with one?

>>3044794
Holy mother of ESL

>>3048260
>most Holomems are bad with men
>>3040345
Now you know all it was fake and it is the way to sell their GFE to incel

>>3049679
meds

>>3049880
cope

>>3044759
So basically Holo is true to their idol group identity while Niji looks like a group of friends just casually hanging around and playing. Sounds about right

>>2979335
>Holotards and Nijinigs each speak like their company is universally better than the other company, but how exactly?
Newfags but they're also retarded

>>3025309
Based

>>2979335
They're fairly similar in what they do. The appeal of Hololive for me is the smaller roster and constant interactions of all the members with each other that gives it more of a family feel, like everyone is in one shared universe. Niji's roster is too bloated and they seem to be largely disconnected from each other except for small cliques.

>>2979335
one allows for interesting content the other doesn't. don't fall for the quantity over quality meme its completely false as most holos aren't even that good individually without the brand.

>>2979825
Someone has to be

>>3056306
>most aren't even that good individually without the brand
ftfy

>>3054481
This.