/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>29783247
Source?

We had some sex... and I convinced him to post it in the euphoric afterglow. He was so cute...

chad ren going to mumei dripping wet with a single word

>>29783321

>>29783321
There's a thread too
>>29781400

holobronies are mentally ill, what else is new

>>29783426
I don't want to see Holoschizos say that Nijiniggers are the tribalists ever again kek

>>29783426
>>29783479
Thanks, the retarded seething is hilarious

>>29783426
Poor guy, they don't pull their punches huh

>>29783426
>Can't even say hi to someone who works in the same industry on twitter
Why are fans so embarrassingly schizo and tribalistic?

>>29783247
>HoloRejects trying to get close to hololive talents
Theres nothing new here

>>29783426
This is hilarious on so many levels - first why is he initiating contact and 2nd what is this butthurt hahahaha

>>29783675
Dont act like this behavior is new from any "side."

>>29783426
Least mentally ill Holobronies

>>29783819
A small indie videogame company tagging hideo kojima for no reason would still be seen as clout chasing

>>29783247
Don't give a shit about corpowars but doxxing is universally bad

>>29784043
The only reason you would take a simple "hi" as a dox is if you're a doxfag yourself.

>>29783975
>This
>HoloRejects should accept the fact that they didnt make it.
Atleast they got accepted in SJWSanji.
They should focus more on their clout than leeching to Holo

Holobronies are mad that the guy is smart enough to use his past life connections to help him gain a foothold in the vtubing community
So what if he doxxes her? they got doxxed the past few days and nothing has happened to them and Im sure everyone already knows who mumeis roommate is

>>29783426
what the actual fuck is wrong with hololive fans?

>>29784169
They are mad that ren is using mumei to help him in the vtubing community even though they are friends irl

Seethe? as a matter of fact Ren should take this talentless bitch out of hololive, She can't even speak properly after almost 1 YEAR of streaming.

>>29783975
The company didn't tag anyone. If one of the game developers at the company tagged Kojima then no one would care.

>>29784239
nice rrat anon
>gontinyuu

>>29783426
peak underage behavior

This is a nothingburger blown out of proporsion and besides that retarded jp twitter rule is stupid

>>29783247
KING I.....

>>29784310
>rrat
stupid holobronie they follow each other on their rm accounts they are friends

>>29783426
Wait, thats it? They are clearly holding back and the vt sisters are acting like its some kind of warcrime?

>>29783247
>ignored
now we will never get pomutori collab

>>29783247
>nijiniggers defend him
They once againg confirm they are subhumans!

>>29784169
Hololive does have quite a few gachikois, who generally aren't fans having some of the girls collab with males. It kind of makes sense considering how much time and money they spend on them, and to some extent I wouldn't be surprised if its something similar with Luxiem/NijiEN.
It's just a bit weird though to give a public "hi" out of the blue, but I don't think Ren really understands the difference in vtubing culture between Hololive and Nijisanji yet.

>>29783426
the absolute state of holobronies

>>29784562
Subhumans for saying hi to someone on Twitter? Fucking Holokeks are coping hard with this one.

>>29784410
>gontinyuuuu?

>>29783247
basado

>>29783426
I'm convinced Hololive fans are drama addicted teenage girls at this point. This is simply baffling.

>>29784676
HoloRejects wants to be associated with Hololive
>What a pathetic state SJWSanji is right now
>Always need to be associated with Hololive to look popular/relevant

>>29784410
No they don't. Dramashitters making up lies again.

>>29783426
jesus christ

>>29783247
get off this board, Noor, and take your beggars with you

This guy was Wolfy's bf right? Im not surprised since wolfy and mooms know each other and theres clearly nothing wrong with greeting someone

Absolutely based can't wait for the twit to gain more traction, unicorns on both sides are gonna get on each other's throats. It's gonna be a complete shitshow.

>>29785185
true, but he shouldn't do that because we have this >>29783426

>>29784471
It was never going to happen anyways anon.

>>29785185
the rrat is that moomei's RM liked a tweet of his and then he shouted out Mumei's main

>>29783247
I'm thankful that it's extremely unlikely that my oshi has a lot of EN male acquaintances, while nips definitely know better about Twitter etiquette. This is never going to happen to her

Does this guy have Chinese fans? Everyone talking about Holokeks but wait until the chink femcels see their Oshi talking to a woman and not any woman, one from Hololive lmao.

>>29784471
>ENBranch Looming in the air
>/vt/ Schizo activates Discord_Leak.jpeg
>Doompost the images on twitter and any relevant social media
>OldFans remember
>NewFan shocked and disbelief
>EN Branch Collab dead before even discussed
>Cycle repeats

What makes it cringe is it’s leeching. If somebody like Vox did it, THAT would be based.

>>29783247
I save it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220801155215/https://twitter.com/RenZott0/status/1554124586635374593

Looks like there's another capture, too.

>>29784169
>>29784640
>>29783819
"All out war", it was your side's declaration while Hologirls were just sticking to their own business. Deal with this, nijifags. You don't say hi to your enemy.

NO matter how much you complain nijisisters, not even my oshi telling me not to would stop me from calling this faggot a retard for not having common sense.
"He's just saying hi"
Yeah whatever you say with your gaslighting

>>29785686
Name your screencap "based brigade"

>>29785686
what are you trying to prove? stop doing damage control for free.

>>29785688
keep spamming this thread on cooldown buddy, we can all see the IP count fail to go up

>be one of the thousands of niji failures
>try to leech by directly @ing a holo
nahone

>>29785686
What is this supposed to prove anon?

>>29785686
>Indogs and flips
Ah, it's always these people.

>>29785686
Post the guy calling him based that's also a spic

>>29784169
Ask the SJWSanjiEN First anon

>>29783247
King

>>29783247
>How does he do it?
By being a stupid zoomer imbecile.

>>29785771
the IP went up though.

>>29785686
I don't care about this petty drama. Post a full picture of that cute feet.

Yabisanji

>>29785832
you do realize you're the only person forcing "SJWsanji" right? doesn't help that you're obviously ESL. just say trannysanji like a normal person

>>29785901
>zoomer
Anon, I...

>>29783426
Ren is dangerously based.

>>29785894
Don't disrespect Kuzuha like that, comparing him to this leach.

>>29783426
Holy based

>>29785999
>normal person
>4chan /vt/

>>29783426
why is that suicuck replying?

>>29783247
Absolute chad.

forsen

>>29783247
he's too based

There's no escaping the Renvasion.

>>29783247
HOLY BASED

One innocent tweet causing tribalfags to squeal and shit themselves
I kneel

>>29786067
EOP hoshityomis are beyond retarded and like to interact with nijiniggers and ensharts

>>29785686
forsen

>>29783247
Based
Fuck hiding your identity everyone should follow vshojo and show it

the Nijidiscord is here, I see

>>29786104
He better stay away of the hololive girls, by that I mean the hololive identities since that's all I care about.
It's not that hard, yes I'm a schizo an actual one.
His face is known.

Never forget the mental fragility of holocucks

It's gonna be funny if someone sends that "Educate Yourself" meme to him. It's gonna be wild.

>>29786230
>he’s posting on cooldown now

>>29786215
Ooooh, so ominous!

>>29785686
forsen

What funnier is that the twit is still up, the guy just doesn't care at all lmao.

surprised nijiniggers can even look at their monitor when they are sucking this faggot's cock

it's nothing burger I see

>>29784640
Man I feel bad for him, he's such a nice guy too. Holos have been interacting publicly more and more with NijiEN lately I hope they realize we're all here just to have fun sooner.

>>29786290
Anon you really are an eop who knows nothing about actual idol schizos right?
Not just angry unicorns, I remember that one who doxxed an idol by the reflection of her eyes and killed her

>>29786395
You are nijinigger, I see

>>29786378
He shouldn't delete it because containment breaking faggots had a mental breakdown over him saying hello.

>>29786443
Literally everyone in either EN branch has been doxxed, making idle threats on 4chan just makes you look like a huge fruit.

hi

>>29786428
Don't care, not here for him, he can kill himself for all I care, stay away nijiggers

>>29785591
They are just stating what they're seeing. I don't see why Holofans get bent out of shape about it.

>>29786507
Here's the rrat, him and mumei's rm planned it to make /vt/ seethe.

>>29786524
are we gonna have sex now anon?

Don't let this distract you from the fact he's getting an actual sizeable backlash compared to the tweet total interactions kek

Moomers RM is friends with Ren's girlfriend. They know each other.

>>29786524
hi mooms, I think you should reply to ren before things get worse

>>29783426
The funniest part is that he probably knows her irl so that's why he felt confident enough to greet her publicly.

>>29786787
And what does that have to do with mumei?
Nijiggers are always saying holobronies can't separate RM and chuubas but here I see the other way happening.

his RM is popular but not that hot

>>29784169
If you tolerate male interations, then you tolerate male collabs, then next thing you know they are having off collabs in hotel rooms or bragging about their leech boyfriends like Nyanners.
Never let evil take root.

>>29783675
There is nothing wrong with tribalism, fuck nijiniggers

>>29786606
HOLY SHIT IT WORKS!

>>29783247
Just with a single greeting tweet, this alien proves that holofan is a bunch of tribalists
I fucking kneel

>Nijinig pathetically openly trying to leech
damn that's sad

>>29787033
Mumei's already collabed with males, though.

>>29786457
Nah I'm /jp/, EN whores can cuck their fans behind the scene for all I care.

>>29786215
You're supposed to be +18 to post here

>>29783426
SEA are just made different.

>>29786965
She didn't reply, so nothing. But Ren probably thought it was okay since he's new and sees Kiara's interactions with nijilivers on Twitter.

>>29786524
AAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE OMEGA HELP ME

>>29787207
You are /jp/ nijinigger, I see

More surprised its been 2 hours and hasn't even broken 400 likes yet.

>>29786924
They know each other for years.

>>29783247
Huh? Whatcha talking about? Only thing got me seething is the fact I'm probably gonna have to deal with having the shits soon.
So who is this guy and why do I care?

>>29783247
Holofags are so fucking rabid it's unreal

>>29787204
Yeah, with jp stars who understand the culture a lot after what they've been through.

Nijiniggers are so consistent in their ability to schizophrenically make up and believe things that are not true

>>29787286
'cause you have to actively search for it. When you start a tweet @'ing someone, it's counted as a reply and will not appear on the timeline. That's why we know that every fucking tweet calling him out is from /here/ schizos

>>29786987
Looked him up for the first time just now, he looks alright and his model translates pretty well actually aside from the huge crooked nose he has IRL

>>29787339
Just another nijileech that wants attention

Days like today are exactly why HoloEN are making moves to shift away from rabid gachikoi, and telling their fanbases to improve themselves.
Ame would be disappointed in the whole lot of you.

>>29787033
it's hilarious how people get mad about male interactions and try to ignore the fact that most of them probably interact with males irl or have bfs behind their backs anyway

>>29785686
BASED

>>29787509
HoloEN will regret doing that, just look at Gura's membership

>>29785686
based chad exposing the third worlders

holobrony third worlders seething:
>>29785744
>>29785748
>>29785787

>>29783675
Holocucks were always projecting onto every other company.

>>29787414
So 1 @ and he just exposed everyone on twitter and reddit that's terminally on /vt/ too? Incredible.

>>29787593
Only Ame did that, and that showed in her numbers.

>>29787339
Its another HoloReject thats looking for a chance to get close to Hololive talent just to feel the true essence of success
unlike their current situation, in a TrannieSanji (irrelevant/nothing)

>>29787509
Ame is also replacing Sana as the absolute bottom of EN

>>29787703
Is that true? People here keep saying that nothing changed

>>29787339
A vtuber told another vtuber hello and holobronies proceeded to have a mental breakdown for about 2 hours now because no good streams I assume.

>>29787509
Why would I care what some dumpster-diving bitch has to say? Gura is the only Myth member that matters

>>29786428
>Can you take a break from watching streams without any serious withdrawal?
>Replying yes to this means you need to take a break
What a garbage image

You just know that this guy applied to Tempus and got rejected kek

>>29787396
>A lot of people crying in the replies of his tweet
>A full thread of holokeks coping and numberfagging
>"n-nijiniggers making up shit again"

So ILUNA got 4 pronoun warriors, an angel and Ren the retard, looks good so far.

>>29787270
Kiara is cancer

>>29787843
Maria and Ren are the only ones I can watch.

>>29787396
>says the holokek off his meds

>>29787925
>Maria
>he doesn't know

>>29787829
>StarReject #343 LMAO
Dont they understand that they cant jump ship to other company if they applied to the opposite company?

>>29787840
Same thread with nijibronies celebrating doxxfaggotry

>>29783247
So dramafag are trying to spin retard initiate doxxing into a good thing now.

>>29786924
why is she such a bitch ?

>>29787509
Some are trying to shift away yes, but some are doubling down on the gfe so it's not company-wide policy

>>29787978
doxxing is literally a non issue
Iluna got doxxed and nothing happened to them
nothing will happen to mumei even if she gets doxxed by this

>>29787949
What's wrong with her?

>>29787987
>Saying hi is doxxing
You are mentally ill.

>>29787978
>doxxfags keep following PL shit
>trace connections no normal person would ever make
>AAAAAAAA HES DOXXING HER

>>29787966
Watch as mayuyu appear in the next starjp gen

>>29783426
>5 literalwhos
>this is apparently worthy of 18 replies
Wow so organic nijifriends

>>29788063
Yeah, classic doxx apologist.

>>29787966
Luna

>>29787509
>You dont bite the hands that feed you
>They apply to holo knowing its an Vtuber Idol Agency
>Cover will never let them throw away the unicorns
Money is Power Anon! Remember that very well!

>>29788148
yeah no lol
only retarded unicorn holobronies think that doxxing is a bad thing

>>29787562
It's not about boyfriends, it's about content.
Going to a date as the third wheel is the worst possible experience imaginable, why would anyone want to watch that?
They will force you down your throat if they can get away with it. Veibae did. Nyanners did. And they will do it too unless you go schizo on twitter. Unless there is a visible backslash marketing departments will give the ok to pretty much anything.
Vshojo because a clusterfuck because of "Talent Freedom" which simply means " freedom to engage in self-sabotage because you no longer want to stream"

>>29788189
I honestly hope this is falseflagging.

>>29787987
If you dox someone because another person said hi to them you are the problem there bro.

>>29788274
no shit it is sherlock

>>29788197
>Imagine watching Veibae stream talking about her boyfriend
WHAT A KEKOLD LMAO!!!!!!
>I BET VKEKOLDS MASTURBATE TO IT TOO

>>29788111
Initiate retard!
She doesn't know this guy, it's weird to @ her.
No they DO know each others (in their PL)
>proceed to link Moom PL pic to her holo account which is clearly what she hasn't avoided til now

>>29788331
If faggots choose to dox a VTuber over a tweet that's their problem, not Mr. tentacle rape's.

Hi guys, this thread is fun, keep doing them! I enjoy reading the 4chan threads hahaha :) also i might or might not be Ren but you don't know that because this is an anonymous message lol

>>29788197
You can add Reimu and Vox to that list, they even collabed so often that when you search for Reimu on youtube the second suggestion is "Reimu Vox". They only quit because Reimu overstepped once and interrupted one of Vox's parasocial pandering streams which got her a gorillion chink antis.

>>29788197
>Going to a date as the third wheel is the worst possible experience imaginable
Is it really that bad? If it's irl then I'd just enjoy my food or movie or whatever instead of being a bitter fuck

>>29788118
so he can go from earning $300k to $30?

>>29788115
>PL

who cares, Mumei already has a boyfriend you're already getting the cuck experience

>>29783247
WOLLT IHR DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?
https://files.catbox.moe/w72qr9.mp4

>>29788063
go make some VTUBER IRL video or something faggot

>>29788443
Yeah, me

>>29786573
oh no God forbid gura streaming on her usual time

>>29788410
Hell yeah kek

>>29788404
Ok but you can't do anything else, you just have to watch them
There is no movie and no food.
And if you talk to either of them, they will ignore you
This is how it feels
Surely not a experience anyone would go through voluntarily

>>29788410
If your career is successful enough, at some points, you won't GAF about earning money anymore since you already have more than enough to retire unless your goal is to become a billionaire or some craps

>>29788404
Imagine going out to hang out with your friend and his gf or whatever and the whole time they just focus on each other. It's shit and that's why literally no one likes it.

>>29788676
he's not really wanting for money anyway but what an insane thing to imply niji is a stepping stone to starsJP for anyone

>>29788511
not you
>Its me anon, we did have some nice Seggs last night

>>29783247
who?? Never heard of this faggot.

>>29788404
Miserable audience with no standard and unprofessional streamers who can't resist bragging their private life.
You have your own territory stay away from Hololive

>>29788404
Ins't that just the equivalent of stopping watching a stream and do something else more fun to you?

>>29785686
forsen

>>29788331
>h-he definitely doxxed her, if you were a doxxfag who's already aware of her other account you would know
the absolute state of doxxniggas

>>29788197
Based, the other side is quite vocal in supporting what they want, so why let them rule the discussion? Doesnt mean you have to screech "WHORES" or something tho

>>29786187
>>29786351
forsen

>>29787562
They are all checked for bfs. Holos literally show up in idol tabloids.

>>29788809
How do you think i'm aware of this PL shit? Yeah cuz dox fagot was spamming this shit to explain his doing, same shit happen outside of here too

See, this is the main difference of Hololive and Nijisanji. Nijisanji was always the "streamers who happen to have an anime avatar" group, which is the same mentality with most of the indie western vtuber scene. Which is why for them, doxxfagging doesn't matter, since the character and the person behind it are one and the same.

Meanwhile, you have hololive who mostly follows the concept of anime girls who stream. It's like watching an anime. The anime characters are the focus of everything, not the voice actress behind her. The severe disconnect between the two fanbases is this. They don't even have the same view on vtubers in the first place.

>>29786924
that was my thought at first too. i don't watch mumei nor I do care about most of her branch but what this guy is doing is creepy and obstructive towards business. This is not tribalism or being a unicorn, anonimity is important for HL business and this guy is plain unprofessional

>>29789105
bull shit Nijisanji before EN debuted was not what you described

In this thread we have people celebrating him "owning the unicorns" as well as some unicorns seething. What I'm not seeing is people pointing out how, whether you agree or disagree with unicorn mentality(I don't), this was still an incredibly selfish thing to do. Those unicorns are part of her paying fanbase. Upsetting them directly impacts her income. Doing this publicly when you could have just said hello privately is incredibly unprofessional for that reason alone. This is why the Holostars have only publicly interacted with girls that initiated contact first. Not because they are afraid of getting shit on, that's going to happen anyway, but because they know it could hurt their coworkers. If they need to talk they can do it through DMs instead of making a public spectacle out of it. If Ren is actually her friend he should know better and, y'know, care about that kind of thing. If they aren't friends then this was just a really dick move to do to a stranger. Is it based to cause a friend, or even a stranger, to lose money when they did nothing to slight you? I don't think so.

>>29789249
I should have been more specific that I was referring to the EN sphere in general.

>>29789248
>>29789145
I just did

>>29789248
Too many words

>>29783426
Their fanbase is such a tribalfagging toxic cancer.

>>29789145
>>29789248
You can start sperging about him causing her to lose unicorns if she actually does. If she didn't lose her unicorns after the Holostars collab I highly doubt a random guy @ing her will make her do so.

>>29789320
Sounds like NijiEN problem then

Literally JWU, let me see if I understand this
>newfag nijiEN says hi to Mumei out of nowhere for absolutely no reason at all despite being aware of everything that would entail
>people tell him to fuck off
>the usual discord raiders are forcing every rrat with this
really now

>>29789105
And this would be fine, except for the constant pressure to change hololive into the niji model coming from post-EN newfags.

>>29789393
hoomans are deranged, beware of them

>>29789393
>SJWSanjiKeks calling holochads toxic cancer
LMAO! go count your genders anon!

>>29789467
>being professional only matters when the backlash is noticeable
This is why you and the company you support are trash, get a job

>>29789694
You just proved the point.

>>29783426
>@ing mumei too
lmao bunch of retards

>>29786524
AHHHHHH I'M LITERALLY BEING DOXED YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE SEX WITH ME FUCK OFF LEECH AHHHHHHHHH

>>29789716
Saying hi to somebody is only unprofessional in the deranged minds of tribalists like (you). I have one btw, it's a civic holiday :)

>>29789729
I know I'm right!
Thanks for agreeing anon

>>29789694
well said Sachin

>>29789616
>for no reason

>Dick move if he knows Mumei personally because Mumei is pursuing no males interaction (for now)
>Dick move if he doesn't knows Mumei personally

>>29789935
And they also think saying their guy was just pl doxxing is a good defence apparently?

>>29789616
>despite being aware of everything that would entail
I'm not convinced Nijisanji does enough of an orientation to teach people that, and they are hiring outside the vtubing sphere so he might just be clueless. Doesn't make it any worse. It just slightly shifts blame from him to the company.

>>29789935
Is getting 1m views on a video a good reason to say hi to a random opposite gender member of a rival corporation?

>>29790018
>>Dick move if he doesn't knows Mumei personally
Uuuh this is just saying a little hi, it doesn't hurt

>>29789935
Then he should have said "Hi" to the account that liked the tweet. How hard is that?

>>29787667
I think it might show up if you're following both, and some fans will check replies regularly. But literally every single poster calling him a leech or anything is from /here/, yes.

>>29790107
And how often does that happen in the world of vtubing, especially in regards to Nijisanji and Hololive? I'm talking about opposite gendered people too, not your pomutori shit.

>>29789766
>Doesn't know how to use twitter
>@s Mumei
>Unicorns get mad at you for not being "professional"
>They also @ her because they don't know how to use twitter
Can't make this shit up.

Who directly @'s somebody on twitter just to say hi? That's some weird shit.

>>29789801
>>29790107
It was explained why it was unprofessional above, but I'll try to be more concise. Unicorns = money. Upset Unicorns = Less money. Causing someone lose money is rude. You don't have to BE a unicorn, or a tribalist, to understand that risking people's income is a dick move.

>>29789801
did you miss the part where it wasn't a response to anything but a random @? unless you are a literal child you will know there are either 2 reason for that: he knows her irl, or admires her in some way and wants to get her attention, both kind of creepy but only the firs shows unprofessionality beyond what any must accept, then I found out on vt the first was the case .Also who the fuck do you think you are calling tribal? I like Millie and I couldn't care less about NijiHolo collabs, I only care about people conducting themselves properly in a corporate environemnt, which Nijisanji clearly lacks after seeing so many scum joining their ranks.

>>29790107
They're tribalfags. Being a normal human being for them is inexcusable

>>29783426
DO SEANIGGERS REALLY

>>29790107
This is more like going with megaphone and screaming NOTICE ME! It's fucking rude.

This thread is so funny and sad at the same time.

>>29790253
Mumei = is not a virgin. Mumei = already collabed with males. Mumei = has no unicorns to begin with. That concise enough for you?

>>29785686
OOPS ALL SEANIGGERS

>>29790346
Source = the voices in your head
Meds = must be taken

>>29789935
>shachi
Wait, I think I've seen her before... Isn't she retired from VTubing to focus on drawing?

>>29790346
I'm not a unicorn, and I think parasocial relationships are cringe, so I don't care about any of that. Saying she has NO unicorns though is a hell of a claim that you are going to have to back up with evidence.

>>29790346
Only second is true, how quiet was she in the collab?

>>29790436
Any unicorn that doesn't fucking care about virginity or male collabs isn't a fucking unicorn to begin with. Goes against the fucking definition. A gachikoi, maybe. Not a unicorn.

>>29788331
>She doesn't know this guy, it's weird to @ her.
He's @'d random Niji JPs too. It's possible it's for PL stuff, but it's also genuinely possible he's just retarded and doesn't understand twitter, and anyone who isn't already a doxfag will assume as much.

>>29790253
Why are you removing all agency from the unicorns? You act like them getting upset is a given and rational. By this moronic logic them getting mad and not donating because an opposite gender vtuber mentioned them on twitter is also a dick move.

>>29789935
Is he actually retarded, uneducated, or just being a cheeky bastard?

>>29783247
Who?

>>29790487
Seems usage of gachikoi and unicorn is mixed in English vtubing scene

>>29790609
Well it shouldn't be because it's plain fucking wrong.

>>29783247
Because he can.

>>29790253
Wait, so this runs even deeper?
>male member of one of the biggest vtuber corporations indirectly doxes a female member of its biggers rival corporation, also potentially causing her a loss of income
I know it's an all out war out there, but holy shit, man. Have some fucking shame, that's too much of a low blow.
Here's hoping for the most amusing result to come out of this, his graduation.

>>29790591
Retard is the most likely option given his tweets to debi

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1326355021093498880

> Says "Hi"
> Gets entire branch blocked from ever collabing again

>>29786573
>Drive off a cliff
WHY DID THAT CLIFF TRY TO KILL ME?
>Stream debuts in Gura's timeslot
WHY IS SHE TRYING TO DESTROY US?

>>29790665
real

>>29790591
He's a cheeky bastard. Should have seen him for iLuna Pico Park collab.

>>29790665
>it's fucking real

Wtf is this timeline

>>29790665
I would like this to be real.

>>29790557
I'm not saying unicorns aren't a problem, I'm saying they are a reality. It isn't his place to decide to chase hers away if she's making money off them. If she initiates a conversation then by all means chat away, she's given the all-clear. I'm just saying he shouldn't be the one to initiate because he's not the one with something to lose.

>>29790709
Cope.

>>29785771
kek this thread has more IPs than the entire NijiEN thread.

>>29783247
Such a dick move to do
>if mumei ignore, will be seen as cold
>if mumei respond, might cause an issue probably tanking herself

>>29785686
Is that fucking Forsen? kek

>>29790806
>Cope
Fucking one word ESL, cant even write a proper English sentence

>>29790655
Idk man at least debi's a Niji. Mumei's the last thing anyone would've expected this guy to tweet at. If there was a holo he'd @, I think most people would guess Mori or Baelz

>>29790640
God I wish, it would make discussion way easier.

>>29790826
Leeching Hololive works

This is the funniest fucking meltdown I've seen on this board. All this just for tweeting hi.

>>29790665
I fucking wish.

>>29788410
> thinking he cares about Money
OH NO NO NO HE DOESN'T KNOW

>>29785686
telescope forsen1 I C BAJS

>>29790929
yes, and everytime this kind of thread appears

>>29783247
This worthless emo looking faggot better stay away from my pristine, pure, clean & clear sex owl.
Only I will penetrate her hymen.

>>29790806
The weak should fear the strong

>>29789248
>they know it could hurt their coworkers
NijiEN and HoloEN are not coworkers. Thanks to Cover policies they're never even going to collab anyway, so they're basically competition.
What's wrong with hurting the competition from a simple tweet if you can?

>>29790646
Now that's a fucking stretch, how is his fault that doxxfags monitoring her likes pulled some convoluted connection that's invisible for everyone else? Specially since both roommates were already known by them

>>29790487
Yeah, there are varying degrees of tolerance. A unicorn technically means the idol must be a virgin (as per the unicorn mythology).
Some people don't care about past relationships, or even don't care about relationships at all as long as they're not on stream. And then you have the mega cucks who will watch Nyanners.

>>29790826
OH so there are more Hololive antis than there are actual NijiEN fans on here, I always had my suspicion of that being the case, but good to get confirmation

>>29789145
it's just a hi holy fuck

>>29791076
marcel..

>>29790929
Shame that, like every meltdown, it's forced as hell by the usual bunch of discord fags.

>>29791125
>Hololive antis
>Implying
This entire thread is an anti NijiEN circlejerk.

>>29783247
Based retard, I kneel
Thank you for making Tempus look good

>>29790826
Thank god, I love fake drama keeping the general clean

This thread is still happening? Great! I can get my question answered.

>>29789578
But that's not me. Who is that? Hope your still around

>>29791076
Sorry anon, I got first!

>>29790665
>https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1326355021093498880

I click on these because I want to see Towa baby and I haven't been disappointed yet

>>29790266
He could have done this in private you know. There was literally no reason to do this publicly other than to get attention.

>>29791076
>Mumei
>Having her hymen intact
Schizo anon... It's time to snap back to reality...

>>29791080
>Admits nijiniggers are out to hurt hololive
Good, so the unicorn backlash telling you all to fuck off is entirely reasonable and justified.

>>29791168
To be honest I did not read every single reply in this thread

>>29791171
Them being crazy ass annoying on twitter really did make me see Tempus in a better light. Kinda funny how that works.

>>29791076
>Only I will penetrate her hymen.
Animal, be a good dog and stop posting here.

>>29790799
You can't handwave problems by saying they're reality. You can @ anyone you want on twitter, it's their choice to respond or not. If she loses unicorns over it, she can make a statement. If she feels like this breaks her friendship with him, then that's on her.

Imagine having a subset of unicorns who won't donate money if they see any male vtuber comments on any of your Youtube videos, indie or otherwise. Do you think it's on the people literally using a basic function of the site to ensure that they cater to the schizos?

>>29791125
That's always been the case, and for the most part the general audience /here/ tries to distinguish between the two.

But when nijifags post shit like this outside of this site, it just shows that there really is no difference between the two.

also some of the IPs might be from holo-onlies

>>29791076
Sorry anon

>>29791080
How is he hurting anyone? Dude only said hi
We had finana and kiara talking about faking hickeys and no one gave a fuck, because it's literally nothing

If I @ mumei on twitter and she didnt reply, would she be an ass for ignoring me? To Mumei of Hololive, this guy is just a random stranger, no obligation for her to reply to him.

>>29791080
>What's wrong with hurting the competition from a simple tweet if you can?
Then what is wrong with Holofans justifiably telling you Nijiniggers to kill yourself?

>>29791080
>NijiEN and HoloEN are not coworkers
That was in reference to Holostars, as mentioned in the previous sentence.
>What's wrong with hurting the competition from a simple tweet if you can?
Because you aren't just hurting a faceless company's bottom line but the livelihood of real people you psychopath. McDonalds' employees don't go out of their way to pick fights with Burger King's employees just because the companies are competitors.

>>29791113
This
There is a spectrum of audience and I see lots of discussion only focus on unicorn.

>>29791410
her fanbase, apparently, judging by replies like these : >>29791295 >>29791444

>>29791140
Mumei didn’t react to holostars, even gura. You can guess their route. As fellow vtubing talent you just don’t.. the more if it’s opposite sex, someone who’s your senpai, more popular. It will look like he’s leeching on mumei at the cost of her tanking her number. He can do it privately you know no one will care

>>29791430
You got more than 100k followers and 200k subs?

>>29791430
You are not hired by one of biggest VTuber companies though

>>29790799
Why would unicorns be a problem? I think everything would be a real shitshow if they didn't exist. It's like a seal of quality if a streamer has a lot of them.

>>29791490
> one fucking tweet saying "Hi"
> killing your livelihood
either your livelihood wasn't very secure in the first place, or you're overexaggerating the impact this will have.

Leechisanji was real?

>>29787829
You know that Niji opened the auditions like a week before Holostars right?
The reason the >all out war lol
comment happend is because Holostars opened their auditions right after Niji did.

>>29787396
That’s why they seethe about Mumei in the first place.

>>29791501
Why did you tag reasonable replies like they did something wrong?

>>29791430
nah not really.
same with this guy, she can ignore him if she wants.

>>29791381
You're right, nijiniggers and normalfags are free to not care if they hurt hololive or their fans. But if that is true, unicorns are equally free to tell you to go fuck yourselves and continue fighting for the kind of content they enjoy.

Ok but when will Ben Shapiro @ Mumei?

>>29783247
>tags Mumei on twitter
>Mumei doesn't respond
>literally nothing happens
Oh nyo

You guys all went to the /who/ to see the damage control right? How can such a strong fanbase be utterly destroyed with a single tweet. Ame anti threads were up for weeks and /awat/ didn't say anything. Explain yourself hoomans.

>>29791639
Nijisanji needs this exposure

>>29791381
Eh? Why would unicorns care about some guy getting ignored on Twitter?
Gura ignored hundreds of male streamers begging her to collab with them, including the biggest ones in the industry.

>>29791554
The biggest impact is that this guy will forever be known as a desperate leecher who begs holos for attention.
Anyone who isn't a total normalfag wouldn't think or care about Mumei being "cold" for not replying to him, and all this reaction on /vt/ is nothing more than forced drama by the usual drama forcers.

>>29791246
Anon, I think he means that is supposed to be you.
It's like posting a basedjak, which is a dead meme nowadays. I guess he wants to avoid looking new but it just comes across embarassing

>>29787840
You mean Holofans having actual standards and not wanting Twitch cancer into VTubing?

>>29791650
Niji zhangs are good at baiting, look at what they’re doing to kiara, ame, mori even vshojo

>>29791390
>Thread proves Holo fans constantly spout vitriol towards Niji outside this site on Twitter and Reddit
>B-B-But these Youtube comments

>>29791501
>dramafags on the drama thread
ok

>>29791727
Who brought twitch into this?

>>29791515
Bigger vtubers got ghosted before, it's not a big deal

>>29788197
But remember only Vox female fans are allowed to get away with calling out Reimu for wrecking a parasocial ASMR stream, but if Holofans did similar they are incel losers

>>29791381
>You can @ anyone you want on twitter, it's their choice to respond or not. If she loses unicorns over it, she can make a statement. If she feels like this breaks her friendship with him, then that's on her.
You can punch anyone you want in the face, it's their choice to respond or not. If they get injured because of it, they can call the cops. If they feel like this breaks their friendship with you, then that's on them.

>Do you think it's on the people literally using a basic function of the site to ensure that they cater to the schizos?
Yes I believe people are responsible for their actions and any repercussions they cause.

Poor mumei being embarrassed by her fans

>>29791920
But Vox personally called out his fujos and called them all disgusting. Do holo bronies really?

>>29791699
You tell me what this entire meltdown is about because apparently they care a shit ton.

>>29791636
Saying hi is now considered hurting Hololive and their fans. They're free to advocate whatever they want. I don't think there's anything wrong with a reciprocal idol/fan relationship predicated on only supporting someone you arbitrarily think is pure. That still doesn't make them not schizos for thinking so, nor does it make that part of the fanbase not assholes for hurling insults at people for saying hi.

>>29791806
Nijisanji, the way they and their fans behave is indistinguishable from twitch.

Another L for nijisanji. How many times has it been now?

>>29792039
You missed the part where he flip-flopped on that and bawled his eyes out saying he was in a parasocial relationship with them.

>meanwhile there's someone spamming rm threads
it really is a discord raid isn't it

>>29788809
>Someone reads what Doxxfags posts on /here/, so they know it too
>Somehow they are doxxfags too
Oh so that is how it works, I see

>>29792198
?

>>29791953
>You can punch anyone you want in the face, it's their choice to respond or not. If they get injured because of it, they can call the cops. If they feel like this breaks their friendship with you, then that's on them.
Do you think all the people @ Mumei on Twitter is punching her in the face? Do you think all the males commenting on her Youtube videos are punching her in the face?

Like I said, imagine the state of your fanbase when saying hi is equivalent to assault.

>Yes I believe people are responsible for their actions and any repercussions they cause.
Do you think you're responsible for any lost fans of hers for commenting on this site? What about any of her Youtube videos? Why are you punching her in the face?

>>29792051
I assume they're just saying "fuck off" to the filthy male and are happy with Mumei.

>>29792316
Why would they not just ignore him instead of blowing this thing up and embarrassing their oshi?

>Mumei exists
>Blue Bird App people dox her and shit up her tags to DESTROY the idolcels
:)

>>29792300
He defended his fans before flipping and calling out the retarded fujos. Later said he was afraid of said fans.

>>29792081
That's untrue and I'm convinced you've never watched any of them

>>29792307
NTA, but you need to learn what an analogy is. It's about applying the same logic consistently to other situations, not equating the severity.

>>29792096
>An L for nijisanji
>it's done nothing but make holobronies piss themselves and cry for hours

Ok

>>29791594
Was it decided in 1 week?

>>29789935
I’m fairly certain that doing that on a personal account and not the official one is a gigantic hint on how to properly respond.

>>29792599
It's alright, trying leeching on Ame next.

>>29792307
>@ing someone on Twitter is the same as punching someone in the face

Autism like this is why holofags have become holobronies.

>>29792599
>that dude loses his reputation
>Niji loses their reputation too if they don't say something about this
>he also gains more antis and potentially loses viewers

>>29790455
Silent gorespamming and derailing the ID girls’ attempts at flirting. They even placed the eunuch closest to her for good measure.

>>29792539
Analogies only work if the situations are comparable. Do you think mentioning someone on twitter is comparable to punching them in the face?

Saying you wouldn't wear a spacesuit on land so you shouldn't wear one in space either isn't an analogy.

>>29792753
Nothing bad is going to happen to him or Nijisanji over this, since the drama channels are in favor of Nijisanji, since they have a chance of becoming livers too, since Nijisanji have no standards apparently

>>29792891
No, but saying I wouldn't wear a spacesuit in an inappropriate setting just like I wouldn't wear a clown outfit at a funeral, is an analogy. Only then retards like you reply with "Wait, are you really saying a 2 BILLION dollar spacesuit is equivalent to a clown outfit???"

>>29792932
>since Nijisanji have no standards apparently
100k subs seems to be the one and only standard nowadays

>>29792932
Drama so early after debut has an effect of the career. Look at Fulgure...

>>29791650
Did you blow in from an alternate universe or something?

>nobody is even mad at Mumei
>people are worried because they know that shit like this incites Twitter retards into spamming dox about her private life and past relationships even when she was a minor because they think it triggers le incels
>fags spam dox about her private life in response to people thinking this was bad etiquette for that exact reason
Haha...

>>29792307
>Do you think all the people @ Mumei on Twitter is punching her in the face
No, of couse not. That would be actually, unironically, insane. I'm equating a small harm(to her income) to a larger one(to someone's face) to show how dumb the argument of trying to blame her for his action is. You are trying to claim it's her fault if she takes issue with things he did because he apparently can't think for himself about the consequences of those actions. That's a bad argument.

>Do you think you're responsible for any lost fans of hers for commenting on this site?
Do I believe I'm responsible for anything and everything I do? Yes. Because I make my own choices in life and live with them. The consequences of my actions are mine to bear, no matter how slight they might be. Funny you equate something as small as commenting here to someone with 265k followers directly @ing someone with 680k followers. I guess you do understand analogies after all?

>>29792424
And this all started just because Nijifags thought she was going to be Petra.

>>29792753
>Loses his reputation
He's a 30 Y/o who's reputation is being a lovable dummy. It adds to that appeal
>Niji loses their reputation too
There are so many things wrong with this I'm not sure where to begin. I guess in general you've messed up by thinking anyone but dramatards have cared or noticed the tweet.
>He's going to lose viewers
The dramatards don't watch streams anyway, so there won't be any impact on his growth

>>29791140
yeah for him, but from the outside view, who the hell is this guy and why is he mentioning mumei despite not having any kind of interaction before? it generally just paints a bad image on the guy, and what effects it can have for mumei. Now her fans are going to question her and it's gonna bother her even more. Right now we're lucky that her fans aren't as schizo as rushia's or things would escalate overnight already.

I've learned that the small things like this are what always causes the problems.

>>29783247
>>Makes every Hololive fan cry out in seething rage
They're scared of peace
https://pastebin.com/yQXsNCS4

>>29793137
Damn good point, his career wasn't affected in any meaningful way by any metric. Guess drama doesn't matter

>>29793452
Peace? There's no peace.
There's only ALL OUT WAR!

>>29793094
>No, but saying I wouldn't wear a spacesuit in an inappropriate setting just like I wouldn't wear a clown outfit at a funeral, is an analogy
Do you think I'm going to disagree with this? I have a hard time imagining you know what an analogy is if you think equating saying hi to punching is the same as this. Why don't you point out where you think the comparables are in the original scenario?

>>29789670
Things were better off between 2016-2019. Golden years of vtubers before it went to shit when tourists came in to shit all over it.

>>29788404
Imagine hanging out with your best buds but they don't talk to you and they'll only notice you once it's time to go home.

>>29793418
It paints a bad image of him to who? Who else cares other than Holobros who were looking for any excuse to start drama anyway.
%2 percent of people who watch vtubers actually care about this, and none of them matter to nijiasanji, because none of them were going to watch nijisanji

>>29793313
NTA
>He's a 30 Y/o who's reputation is being a lovable dummy. It adds to that appeal
He doesn't have that reputation unless you are a doxxfag. For people that only know him as the vtuber, he hasn't had time to build a reputation so he just comes off as a retard and/or leech.
As for the rest of it, I do think this looks a little bad on Nijisanji since it implies they don't give people enough of an orientation to know basic do's and don'ts, but that's the full extent of it. He probably will gain a few antis for a little while until they get bored.

>>29793656
>you think equating saying hi to punching is the same as this.
That's the problem, you think an analogy is equating the action, not the logic being applied to the action. Nobody said that saying hi is the same as punching someone, you read an analogy and then couldn't fucking comprehend that the action wasn't the thing being equated, the reasoning was.

I hate the direction that the nijisanji management has taken, hiring talents without teaching them at least the basics of the vtubing community. I hate how they are starting to influence this hobby that I loved, bringing in people who unironically think that doxing is okay, completely missing the point of vtubing as a person hiding behind an anime avatar. I can't believe this is the thing that tipped me over. Iluna is a fucking joke, 30,000 auditioned and they managed to pick these people that know nothing about the community? Kazuha wtf? Or maybe its the 100k PL subs that got them in? I liked nijisanji because of the fucking gatekeeping then they go 180 and fucked the only hobby that I cared for years. Fuck you Im outta here. You fucks dont deserve defending

>>29793201
>You are trying to claim it's her fault if she takes issue with things he did because he apparently can't think for himself about the consequences of those actions
If she chooses to break off a friendship for someone taking a socially appropriate action, then that's her choice. Actions aren't solely wrong because they cause harm on a singular person. If you punched someone in the face because they were about to assault you, that's very clearly not inappropriate either.

>Do I believe I'm responsible for anything and everything I do? Yes. Because I make my own choices in life and live with them. The consequences of my actions are mine to bear, no matter how slight they might be. Funny you equate something as small as commenting here to someone with 265k followers directly @ing someone with 680k followers. I guess you do understand analogies after all?
Because "the consequences of your actions" are easy to bear when they have zero effect on you yourself. It's about what you actually do afterwards instead of just grandstanding. By your logic, if you enjoy watching HoloEN grow and you post here which causes a direct negative effect, it would follow that it would be better for you to either stop posting, or stop supporting them. But clearly you aren't going to do either, which isn't "taking responsibility for your actions".

>>29793980
>Newfags have a malign influence on the hobby they invade.
Many such cases, and unfortunately hololive isn't far behind nijisanji in this regard.

>>29793901
I'm saying that the reasoning behind it isn't comparable and asking you where you think the comparables are between the actions. E.g. the spacesuit example clearly displaying that the reasoning for wearing a spacesuit is different.

Bets on which dramaleech makes a black-outline red text video about this and further propagates Mumei's dox info like they did with Rushia?

>>29794437
That nousagi indog was already tweeting about it a while ago, so probably him.

>>29793838
The antis he 'gets' from this were already his antis because they are general Nijisanji antis. No one but /vt/ holobronies care about this. Why do they care about this? Because they are thirsty for action and drama on /vt/.
And we all know holobronies can't get action IRL AYOOOOOO

so funny incels get protective of this used whore of all people

>>29793980
JP is only way to go, I no longer care about EN Vtubing.

You could be doing your reps instead of this, y'know.

>all this seething about unicorns
I'd rather see a full homoEN and myth/council off collab than a single 1hr collab with nijiEN

>>29794775
Do yu rely belib that any of the people making a shitstorm out of this watch or care about vtubers in any way

>>29792424
>blue bird people are unaware mumei specifically avoids interacting with the Tempus males because she likes Hololive as a girl's group specifically (like, she said that directly)
>nijifags trying to force it onto her anyway and throw a shitfit that she isn't on board with their "FUCK IDOLS" tantrums

>>29794906
Ironically, the unicorns are the only ones that do and everyone hates them.

>>29794955
It’s Mumei. There’s no way the unicorns actually care about something involving her.

>>29795075
Unicorns are essentially a psyop at this point.

>>29795244
I’d believe it.

>WOW HAHA YOU INCELS SERIOUSLY CARE THAT MUCH THAT A MALE INTERACTED WITH HER?
>NEWSFLASH *dox* SHE KNOWS HIS WIFE *dox* SHE DID Y AS A MINOR AND HAD AN X *dox* I BET YOU'RE SEETHING AND DIDN'T KNOW THIS *dox* PARASOCIAL FUCKS

>>29794082
>If she chooses to break off a friendship for someone taking a socially appropriate action
There is nothing socially appropriate about the equivalent of taking a megaphone to someone's work place and shouting "Hi" at them when it could cause them problems. We have DMs for that.

>Actions aren't solely wrong because they cause harm on a singular person.
This is where we disagree then. I believe the most ethical course of action is always that one that causes the least amount of harm, and he wasn't defending himself from greater harm so he acted unethically.

>If you punched someone in the face because they were about to assault you, that's very clearly not inappropriate either.
Nevermind, we apparently do agree on basic ethics, but you either don't believe the harm existed in the first place or believe it was somehow justified(?)

>By your logic, if you enjoy watching HoloEN grow
Let me clear something up: I enjoy watching good vtubers grow regardless of the company they are in. I'm not a tribalist. I'm not trying to anti him because he's on the other side of some gay console war. I watch people from just about every company(+ some indies) aside from Vshojo(Twitch is a terrible platform). I also don't support everyone in any company. Some of them are just not for me. Nijisanji has people I like and don't like. Hololive does too. So do Phase, Prism, Kawaii, Tsunderia and technically VOMS but let's be real and admit Pikamee IS that company at this point.
I'm also not doing it because I think Mumei needs to be "pure". Parasocial romantic feelings are one mental illness I'm thankful not to have. I just recognize that some people do suffer from it and those people are paying customers that are hers to manage. Nobody else has the right to chase them away, intentionally or otherwise, without her consent.

>and you post here which causes a direct negative effect, it would follow that it would be better for you to either stop posting, or stop supporting them. But clearly you aren't going to do either, which isn't "taking responsibility for your actions".
You have made a claim that posting here causes an outcome I do not wish for without providing proof for said claim. Show me examples of people dropping Vtubers I like because of my post. Make sure to include the cancelled membership.

>>29795535
I'm happy for you, or I'm sorry. One of those two

A lot of text to simp for someone with a confirmed bf

>>29795711
>oh no he wrote a bunch of text that proves his point and that makes me angry. I better dismiss it with a dumb meme because I can't come up with anything smart to say.
I pity you or I pity you. One of those two.

>>29783426
Based SEAchads.

>>29795532
Hardcore doxfags are generally are

a.) obsessed stalkers who may or may not have a bottle of chloroform on them trying to meet up with their oshi IRL
or
b.) are vtuber antis, either trying to weaponize compromising info against a company or because they don't like vtubers at all and pretend to because they'll just get banned from places of vtuber discussion if they outright say "fuck all you loser faggots fuck vtubers" in an open rant. The people who want an excuse to hate some or most vtuber watchers are the ones flashing the brightest red lights in this regard and that's the anti-unicorn/anti-idol people who go into frothing rage about it. They want a sanctioned way to hate a lot of people is all.

>s word
/qa/ strikes again

>>29796041
Thats so psychotic though. You have to be completely lacking in empathy to do shit like that.

>>29785832
If on my Liver was as successful as Luxiem's I could still drink alcohol.

>>29795535
>There is nothing socially appropriate about the equivalent of taking a megaphone to someone's work place and shouting "Hi" at them when it could cause them problems. We have DMs for that.
Making a public space your workplace doesn't suddenly allow you to pretend everyone else has to follow your norms.

>This is where we disagree then. I believe the most ethical course of action is always that one that causes the least amount of harm, and he wasn't defending himself from greater harm so he acted unethically.
Which is moronic. If Mumei joining Hololive would cause a unicorn to kill thsemlves once she leaves, do you think it was unethical for her to join? Why make exceptions for self-defense, or is it only from greater harm? And the classic question for utilitarians, if you gave all your organs and donated them to a hospital, you could probably save the lives of 5 or more different people, who need a heart, liver, kidney, lung, or brain. Why do you think your death causes more overall harm than the lives of 5 random people? Do you think it's unethical to grab random people off the street to save the lives of 5 randoms?

>Nevermind, we apparently do agree on basic ethics, but you either don't believe the harm existed in the first place or believe it was somehow justified(?)
An action that is normally unjustified, can be justified in situations where it's required to prevent further unjust actions. We still disagree that "harm caused" is not equivalent to "unjust". If you take an action that is normally justified, it causing harm isn't the only, or even a requirement, to make it unjustified.

>I'm not a tribalist.
I didn't mean to imply you were. Just as a general, if you support x. Replace X with Phase, Prism, Niji, or whoever you want. I'm not talking about you specifically either when I talk about a unicorn who wants her to be pure.

>Nobody else has the right to chase them away, intentionally or otherwise, without her consent.
Nobody is chasing them away. They are leaving with their own consent if they think someone tweeting hi is cause for them to leave. I also don't agree with how you frame that anyone needs her consent for them to leave. Do you think the unicorns themselves have the right to intentionally leave without her consent? Do you think she has the right to chase them away without their consent? Again, I don't understand why you remove agency from them.

>You have made a claim that posting here causes an outcome I do not wish for without providing proof for said claim. Show me examples of people dropping Vtubers I like because of my post. Make sure to include the cancelled membership.
Where is the proof that saying hi caused material harm? Also both you and I clearly understand that the argument has been abstracted to hypothetical and future harm. Even a straight collab with a male doesn't allow most people to refund donations they've already made, nor would it suddenly force them to payback money they would have already made otherwise. "Upset unicorns = less money" implies future harm. It's also hypothetical harm, because a future in which HoloEN could be making more money if they didn't pander to unicorns is possible, even if not likely and you obviously don't know the future. Similarly, posting here could cause hypothetical harm, by turning off people who could have been fans of HoloEN and by extension Mumei, had it not been for your posts.

>>29795860
I skimmed your wall and saw something like "YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE AN EMPIRACALLY BACKED PAPER THAT MUMEI WASNT HARMED BY A TWEET" And I laughed at you. Like straight up said "heh" aloud. I wish I could post the :nerd: emoji

>>29796903
The post literally just above yours is equally cringe, fwiw

>>29796487
>Making a public space your workplace doesn't suddenly allow you to pretend everyone else has to follow your norms.
If not abiding by those basic norms causes, or has a real risk of causing, other people harm, then that action is unethical. The only exception would be if abiding by those norms, in that specific instance, would cause you or another person even more harm. I don't see any harm in him keeping his messages to DMs.

>if you gave all your organs and donated them to a hospital, you could probably save the lives of 5 or more different people, who need a heart, liver, kidney, lung, or brain
I get what you mean by this, but the actual example is bad because there are many, many cases where hospitals will not accept organ donations because the organ isn't in good enough health and they don't want liability. I do consider that unethical behavior on their part. They put their own self interests above the needs of their patients. I have donated a kidney to a friend though.

>If you take an action that is normally justified, it causing harm isn't the only, or even a requirement, to make it unjustified.
I cannot agree that taking a normally justified action is still justified if you have good reason to believe it will cause harm. This may just be an agree to disagree point because I don't think either of us will be able to sway the other.

>I didn't mean to imply you were
Fair enough, I just wanted to clear the air.

>Nobody is chasing them away.
>Where is the proof that saying hi caused material harm
His actions may. They also might not. The point is that there is a real risk, and there was nothing to gain by taking the action in the first place. That risk is a reasonable assumption under the reality of "Unicorns have money. Unicorns give money to streamer. Unicorns don't like it when males interact with streamer." I don't believe the same could be said for me posting here. Which fans am I upsetting exactly? Ones that don't like friendly debates? While I'm pretty sure you CAN actually refund via a chargeback, Youtube would foot the bill so your point is correct there.

>>29783247
who

>>29797463

>>29797463
Mumei.

>>29796487
Am >>29797439
Apologies, I missed a point you made.
>I also don't agree with how you frame that anyone needs her consent for them to leave.
Not my intention, I simply mean that the only people that should be involved are her(+ her employer) and the fans themselves. An outside third party shouldn't be doing anything that could drive a wedge between them, intentionally or otherwise, as this causes those fans emotional harm(unfortunately) and possibly causes her financial harm. With the sole exception of if the alternative causes more harm, as always. I cannot see this particular instance as anything more than someone putting someone else at risk for no good reason other than "because they can get away with it."

>Do you think the unicorns themselves have the right to intentionally leave without her consent?
Absolutely. She doesn't own them as literal slaves. There is a difference between her doing something to upset them, and them abandoning her because of it, and an unrelated party causing it however.

>Do you think she has the right to chase them away without their consent? Again, I don't understand why you remove agency from them.
Yes because relationships: parasocial, romantic, business, friendship or otherwise, are all two-way streets and if one person wants to pull out then that's the end of it. Forcing someone to stay in a relationship they don't want to be in causes more harm than breaking off the relationship in my opinion.

i thought it's only the fans but their talent is also a nijibeggar, kek shameless

>>29797439
I mean, we can replace the hospital example with whatever hypothetical we want. Make it donating money to Africa instead of buying a video game. Make it volunteering at a soup kitchen instead of posting here.

>I cannot agree that taking a normally justified action is still justified if you have good reason to believe it will cause harm. This may just be an agree to disagree point because I don't think either of us will be able to sway the other.
So the problem for me is with actionable agents. If you had a choice between eating a fry or a burger, and eating the fry directly causes someone to die, then clearly not choosing the burger is unethical. If a terrorist was holding five of your friends hostage, and to release them he needs to torture and kill your dad, it's clearly unethical to place the blame on your dad for not giving himself up. Similarly, I believe that the unicorns choosing to abandon Mumei, if they do, for a literal tweet she didn't acknowledge, is their fault.

I don't believe a "real risk", even if it was under sound reasoning, which I don't believe unicorns are going to ditch her for something like this, is enough to restrict someone's freedom.

Any lost fans would end up being a net negative. It could be any hypothetical person that just doesn't watch anyone who has fans on 4chan and this thread was the first thread he saw. The point isn't that you would or wouldn't upset actual fans, but that trying to maintain this form of morality is untenable because you couldn't possibly know if posting here wouldn't cause a negative effect.

>>29798134
Don't think we disagree on the other two. It's probably just going to be repeating points from the other response.

>Not my intention, I simply mean that the only people that should be involved are her(+ her employer) and the fans themselves. An outside third party shouldn't be doing anything that could drive a wedge between them, intentionally or otherwise, as this causes those fans emotional harm(unfortunately) and possibly causes her financial harm. With the sole exception of if the alternative causes more harm, as always. I cannot see this particular instance as anything more than someone putting someone else at risk for no good reason other than "because they can get away with it."
So, I don't think that even if those fans were justifiably emotionally harmed, I don't see how they could be honestly if the action taken was socially appropriate, that it would be preferable to restricting his ability to @ whoever he wants on twitter.

But to illustrate the point, even within your system, how do you necessarily know that the alternative doesn't cause more harm? Not knowing something like, the theoretical possibility that a Nintendo exec wants to sponsor them with an @, but decides not to because of this, or even a more realistically possibility that StarsEN and HoloEN collabs could possibly be beneficial, means you choose to restrict someone's freedom to do what they want on the platform for a "risk". I just can't agree with that, because of how vague the definition of risk can be expanded, especially when it ends up relying on the faulty logic of unicorns in the first place.