/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>29766556
vtubers are my girlfriends

>>29766556
Bitch literally has Luxiem, Noctyx and Iluna in her name and she dares to try and lecture people about parasocial relationships.

>do hardcore GFE pandering
>"parasocial relationships are cringe"
many such cases

>>29766556
>we need to regulate this because some people might miss-use this
People like you made the comic's code and gun control happen.

>>29766556
Vtubers want constant money and validation but as soon as it's negative for them they cry. If you directly benefit from parasocial relationships financially you don't have the right to complain about a few creeps.

pointing a finger and going thing bad will never work and you just make yourself look stupid
it's never your whole fanbase, it's just couple of individuals and they should be dealt with as individuals
people that fall apart because one guy did a thing should stay away from streaming

>>29766556
>Dumbwhore who's only claim to fame is being clipped with whore numi dropping her spaghetti around this ASMR thot.
The truth hurts, femnoid. Men don't give a fuck about your dumb female bullshit unless the state will rape them when they don't.

>>29766556
>caring about your fans is... le bad

>>29766556
Who?

>fucking chuds! I just want to stream and have fun
>numbers take a critical shit
>I wuv you vewy much pwease like & subscwibe! UwU let me lick your ears in my ASMR

>>29766556
I'm glad she said this because she's actually my girlfriend and this makes that crystal clear.

>>29766648
>Women
>Double standard
Many such case

>>29766959
soon ame will do that

>>29766556
>how to rekt yourself from the start 101

I can understand why people are not comfortable doing it, but why is this so prevalent with people who make this their main content

>>29766556
Who is this and why should I care?

>>29767160
They saw finana get 40k likes on her tweet when she did it (then dropped to 500 viewers on every single future stream)
These people would murder their own mother for 15 likes on twitter

>>29766679
>>29766556

These people should realize that it's always going to be a part of the business. And if you play into it, then you've made your bed. So go lie in it.

>>29766556
How the fuck are you a Luxiem fan and you try to preach to others about "the dangers of parasocial relationships" when BFE is literally Luxiem's whole thing?

>>29766556
She's right, but not for what I assume that prompted that tweet
You'll never (or it's extremely difficult to) have a relationship with a streamer, but to feel attached to them isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as youdon't become a sperg. Hell, parasocial relationships don't even have to be romantic in nature, people just want a sense of companionship

>>29767315
Because all vtubers are parasocial relationships, that's why all the popular ones are women. Thinking otherwise for your oshi is just as delusional.

>>29766556
Woman moment

>>29767160
>>29767285
Assuming everything she says is in character, that valentine's dinner date means she was cheating on her in character boyfriend. I don't know how I feel about her cheating on me with myself.

>>29766556
They can't because, as is on everybody's lips, they actually thrive on unicorn money, they just somehow also expect them not to exist. And they get away with this by relying on everybody's "common sense" to disapprove, and in the case of normies, outright hate and hound on that kind of behavior. This allows them to outwardly appear to normies as if they are completely innocent victims. But it's also common sense that they are clearly thriving off of unicorn benefits, and that doing so causes this in the first place. But thankfully for them that's automatically rendered a no no topic thanks to normies' innate hate for outcasts, blinding them, just like your average site user would for a woman or racial minority, to anything that may even remotely sound like a defense for these people.

It's a have your cake and eat it too business, and I guess we should applaud them for finding a loop hole that actually indeed lets them both eat it and have it.

In any case, just looking at the sheer number of chuubas and how rare actually adressing this topic is despite being an easy fix should tell you everything.

>>29767427
streamers are inherently parasocial

That's why I only watch Hololive ID and Towa.

>>29767610
That is true, but if you're watching a woman it's on another level.

There's a good takedown of the hypocrisy of parasocial hand ringers called "twitter has a parasocial relationship with the word parasocial." My take is that the word is so inflationary it doesn't actually matter. It basically just means relationships chatacterized by symmetrical awareness, until it doesn't, and is the scary bad internet thing you the social critic definitely don't do.

>>29767738
*asymmetrical awareness

>>29766556
>using parasocial as the opposite of what it means
everything fucking time
viewers aren't "creating a parasocial pov" when they think they have a relationship beyond streamer/viewer, it means they're thinking the relationship is NOT parasocial and go beyond that

>>29767160
Has there ever been a case of a big Japanese vtuber doing this shit? It seems to be a western issue.

>>29768126
suisei

>>29768235
Suisei announced that she has a boyfriend and has done a stream with her boyfriend?

>>29768235
Even Suisei's response was far more appropriate though. All she said was
>I can't offer what you might want from a gachikoi relationship
>if you fall in love with me anyways, that's fine too
That really should be the standard for setting up boundaries for your audience because you're still treating them with a lot of respect, and I say this as someone with a very pro-parasocial oshi

>>29768235
Suisei was incredibly straightforward about it, and has never leaned into any kind of hypocritical pandering. Hard not to respect her for that.

>>29767630
So you like Apex Legends?

>>29766556
I think you should kill yourself, or just shut the fuck up

>>29766556
I was agreeing with her statements until I read the rest of this thread.

Hypocrisy and naivety follow closely a butthurt vtuber.

>>29766556
It's funny seeing these bitches get thousands of likes on twitter but their actual viewership drops

>>29767285
Women like finiana need their head sawed off, glad they are always around to remind me why serial killers aren't really so bad

>>29768381
If more of them just said "there are limits to what kind of a relationship you can have with me, just think of yourself as a fan and nothing more or you'll be disappointed," few people would mind. Instead there's all this dumb hypocritical grandstanding about the nerve if all these entitled loons.

>>29768515
Agreed

>>29767285
did she ever acknowledge stuff like this?

I don't have a parasocial relationship with my oshii. I have a real relationship with her. We both agree that parasocial relationships are only for sickos. Not like us.

>>29768687
This is very, very close to what a lot of people believe.

I think parasocial relationships are inherently sad & cater to lonely men but why do these people do things like gfe or larp as chat’s bf/gf/friends and then get mad when the schizos show up. It’s like feeding the neighborhood stray and not expecting for more cats to show up.

>>29768801
because women want the benefits of a situation without any of the negatives

>>29766648
Just girl things™

>>29766556
>she is not swooned by money or gifts
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>29768846
Even men are like this tho, I blame streaming in general. Having the illusion of interacting with people 1 on 1 seems to make people with issues believe they’re something more than just a viewer watching an entertainer.

>>29768801
Parasocial relationships aren't something that only happens to lonely men, it happens to everyone who spends a lot of time watching or listening to the same person. The human brain wasn't made to deal with being able to get social interaction from someone we can't interact with.

THIS IS NOT WHAT PARASOCIAL MEANS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>29768687
Ngl this is the scariest post I've read in a while. Uncanny valley vibes.

And thus the postmodern digital hellscape we find ourselves in had it's mask slip for just a moment.

>>29768983
Yeah, I should have people in general. I 100% think covid has made it worse because alot of places didn’t let people out for 2 years. But I do think having no one to interact with on a normal basis makes you prone to develop a para social relationship.

>>29768971
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the people who cry about parasocial relationships the most often pander to it.

>>29768426
The glow in the darks definitely have you on a list, retard-kun

>>29768515
>Wah say the same thing in a way that protects my fragile ego
People who watch vtubers are mentally stunted faggots

>>29769572
retard

>>29766556
I can smell the "I'm a hypocrite" from here. (Well actually you can tell just by looking at the name. They have the most recent niji waves who attract the worst NijiEN fans).

>>29769393
To be fair it seems like easy money when you know your community inside and out but I personally don’t think it’s a good idea to attract these kind of people.

>>29768426
lmao, god bless serial killers keeping femoids grounded

>>29768687
same. my oshi has read my donations and chat messages, she's aware of my existence so it's not a parasocial relationship.

>>29767160
It absolves them of guilt

>>29769620
I accept your concession

Even onlyfans whores get a hit in revenue if their followers suddenly get notice of a boyfriend.

>>29766556
>it would save us from endless virtue signaling about the "evil" parasocial relationships
That's actually the green light to ignore everything she says and go harder by unironically declaring her your wife.

>>29766556
>following Luxiem and complaining about parasocial relationships
I bet money this bitch tunes into every single Vox ASMR stream though.

>>29766556
If you're against parasocial, I don't think you have any business being a streamer. Do something that's not interactive, instead.

>>29766556
Each time a vtuber makes a post like this, I assume they got a boyfriend or had a date that went well, so they feel the need to protect themselves of unicorn backlash, just in case.

>>29767610
Eh, there is a tiny subsection that can convincingly claim they aren't mainly delivering parasocial content, and that's the art/music creation streamers (not talking about the people who draw one thing and then talk to the chat for 45 minutes without moving their pen either). A possible rule of thumb is that if a bot went through all your videos and stripped out all hint of your avatar or voice, would people still watch what was left?

>>29766556
Literally who?

>>29775798
More often than not, it's just the mask slipping and revealing who they really are. People like this believe they not only have a right to your time and money but that you don't have a right to sound off about anything they do. To them, streaming is a one-way street, a sitcom where they're the sole character and your role is to act as the studio audience that laughs and claps on command. They can do whatever they want but you're not allowed to do anything they don't explicitly give you permission to do, including leaving, or else they'll throw a bitch-fit about it.

My oshi is part of a big JP vtuber group and told me in a private message how I always make her happy I feel conflicted about it because in all honesty I assumed she hated me

>>29776939
>EOP
>Receiving a Message from a JOP Vtuber
You tried.

>>29768971
>>29768983
>>29769317
The term did originate with people feeling connected to the newscasters they watched. These streamers’ and viewers’ grandparents were platonically parasocial with Walter Kronkite, and now they’re doing the same thing in the age of social media, giving the viewers greater access and streamers greater opportunity to shape their viewers’ behavior, which opens a lot of questions about how to handle it.
>>29769393
The ones who pander to it have to face the obligations that come with it. No problem if you’ve already made that separation, but if you get close it’s hard to pull away.

>>29775798
This desu.

>>29769508
>he doesn't know that 'glowie' was a communist psy-op to make sure people never retaliate against them
baka desu senpai.

Also, you're a pussy.
The founding fathers would be on a list too.

it's simple when these bitches need money parasocial relationships are a-ok, but when they're set financially? suddenly they're morally opposed to it

it's all about the money

What these dumb whores don't fucking understand is that they cannot fucking control "parasocial" people. They can't stop anyone from being parasocial even if they avoid being affectionate entirely. Look at fucking Hollywood Stars and how normalfags are all over them despite them not EVEN DIRECTLY INTERACTING WITH FANS. The moment you become a streamer you subject yourself to that shit, there are married streamers who still fall under the parasocial umbrella. Fans don't give a shit unless you give them false pretenses to begin with.

>>29766556
She is just another thot

>>29777397
>people feeling connected to the newscasters they watched
Do Americans really?

You guys should pretending to be angry over video games instead of pretending to be angry over twitter.

>>29778397
ESL.

>>29767285
Finana should be beaten

>>29778425
what the fuck was ESL about that sentence

>>29778515
>should pretending

>>29778515
ESL.

>>29766556
Has 3 nijisanji males who pander to parasoical relationships. Opinion invalid don’t fall for people trying to grt Twitter points for brownie points

>>29778580
ESL.

>>29778397
There's already a board for getting angry at video games. No, you don't want to go there.

>>29778761
ESL.

>>29769508
HE is the glowie retard-tama, do your bait theory reps

>>29775798
I think they are as single as you anon.

>>29778823
ESL.

>>29766556
>>29767285
>>29766679
>>29767160

These retards 100% fail at vtubing.
It's bullshit that they want to make content that make the strangers watching them feel invested, but without the bad aspect of people going parasocial.
It's the strangers obligation to follow the behavioral specification they shit on twitter.

A proper vtuber puts a rule on the description that reads: "be nice, be normal" and that's it, never brings up the topic anywhere. Because they are entertainers first, whoever they really are second.

>>29766648
>Um, I don't feel comfortable with parasocial relationships. Please understand that we are just streamer and viewer, nothing more. I am not involved with you.
>OMG I LOVE YOU VOX-SAMA PLEASE NOTICE ME AND COLLAB WITH ME
Woman moment

I have a girlfriend and I like Suisei. I introduced Suisei to my girlfriend and she likes her. We watch her karaokes every time on TV. One time, she dresses up as Suisei for my birthday, and we make out. Simple as that. Your oshi is your idol, you fail if you have a parasocial relationship with her. Better yet, get your partner to be invested in your hobby then you will be be happy.

>>29779260
>you're unhappy? yeah, but have you tried just being happy instead?
I'm glad normalfags are the victims of murder 99% of the time because damn do you people deserve it.

>>29779260
>GF cosplay as Suisei
>make out and flirt
Dude wtf are you doing.
Make her grind the songs and perform.

>>29779260
>I made my girlfriend dress up as Suisei while I fucked her but I'm not parasocial
Sure bucko

>>29766556
Maybe people should just assume this is true for all streamers. I don't know of any streamers who pretend as though they have a close intimate relationship with their audience. It's almost entirely the audience projecting that onto them if they're remotely friendly.

You autistic schizos are the ones making this narrative a thing and then you just get upset when they have to overtly say this and start this dumbass threads "well they should have told me it was inappropriate to send them my suicide notes in the first place".

>>29779474
>I don't know of it so it doesn't exist
based object permanence retard autist

The weird part is, why do you have to call out people in your chat who give you gobs of money with posts like these? You gain nothing and only stand to piss off those who are obsessed with you and paying you.
If you're getting creeped out by a specific one of them, start ignoring or talking less to them or replying to them in your tweets/discord/etc and the message will get across. If it doesn't, people will just laugh and make fun of the retard who's taking it too far both to bolster themselves in the eyes of the streamer and to ostricize actual schizos from the group. Just look at Kakun in KFP if you want a perfect example of how to handle retarded fans without shooting yourself in the foot.

>>29779260
>I have a girlfriend
Disgusting

>>29779545
They want to condition their audience into giving them money while still allowing them to do whatever the fuck they want. It rarely, if ever, works, because people will just leave and find someone else. There has never been a worse time to be a "my way or the highway" content creator because there's a good chance someone out there does what you do at a comparable level but also isn't a cunt about it.

>>29779260
Yeah, me.

>>29779532
Name a single one cunt and if it's a 2view I'm going to shit in your pants.

>>29779785
>name some GFE streamers so I can go harass them with my Discord squad
Nah, I see through you.

Parasocialism is inherent with all streamers. You spend any amount of time with someone on a weekly schedule and you're going to become attached to them. Besides it's also what's responsible for their paypigs. This whole new crusade against parasocialism is so fucking tone deaf. Just shows how many fucking bandwagoners there are now.

>>29779260 (me)
Likewise, I also need to find an Ike Cosplay for her birthday in October

>>29779985
>(me)

>>29766556
I just have a huge issue with vtubers that ENCOURAGE GFE and GFE behaviour (usually for money) but then cry about weirdos that do GFE and parasocial shit etc
Absolute hypocrites those ones

>>29766556
Only these two dorks knows how to make healthy GFE. All others are psychopathic whores

>>29780249
Neither of them even do actual GFE. Not everything is GFE. "Unintentional GFE" does not exist. Kill yourself.

>>29780282
Did I touch a sore point? It must be so sad to have a whore oshi like you

>>29780329
Cope.

>>29780282
I agree since it's WFE a.k.a WiFe Experience not gfe.
We're married. I typed this. Yeah, me.

>>29779681
But that's the thing, you can do what you want, just remember that you're still playing a character to some degree and realize that should sometimes impact what you say. It's the 'I want to have my cake and eat it too' mentality. You will always sacrifice something to be an entertainer, and that's why people like this get stuck in 2-view hell.

>>29766556
I can't get mad at shit like this because really it's down to the individual to remember it's all just a fantasy. Dumb chuubas like this just pull away at the seams and break the illusion because they don't want the stigma of what they are doing. It just makes me laugh instead, tell them about your boyfriend Ori, they watch you for the entertainment it'll be okay, I promise!

>>29766556
>I don't want to make my mod uncomfortable
>Parasocial relationship

She has a bf as a mod, that's why she doesn't want him to feel insecure or uncomfortable.
Easily readable

>>29779961
People just misuse the term. The very instant any streamer says anything at all along the lines of, 'hey chat, help me out here' or 'man, I appreciate you guys so much' they're already engaging in being parasocial. The only way you can say with a straight face that you don't do that is if you literally never say a single thing that could be construed as acknowledging that an audience even exists. Even then, just going 'urrh, gotta poop' is treading the line because most people don't talk to themselves like that.

>>29780619
I will say that I don't doubt there are a few people in the bigger chuuba's paypig area that really earnestly do just watch for the content, but most are stuck deluding themselves that the content is godly and therefore they should pay when it's actually just a friend/girlfriend simulator.
Hell, one of the podcasts I listen to is so full of retards that I swear half of them act like the host is their dad and they're always seeking approval/laughter from daddy.

>>29780543
The thing is that most, if not all, of these women (and men, I assume there are at least a few men like this) don't want to play a character beyond their appearance. They wanted to be facecam streamers but either failed or know they aren't conventionally attractive or charismatic enough to make it work. So, to cover that up, they go and pay thousands of dollars to have a custom model made and rigged up, hoping it'll cover up for them being void of personality.

I don't think parasocial relationships are bad and you can easily be parasocial about a chuuba and not directly message them (and if you do not send them your suicide notes and shit like that unless you actually somehow became friends which would never happen because now you're a liability to their carreer) or do anything like that for the sanity of both you and your liver
And if it's just teasing, a post here and there, just don't address it, unless it's someone having a full schizo meltdown in your discord or supers or whatever

>>29766679
>>29767160
>>29767285

God, they absolutely do it on purpose. What's with westerns and WANTING to revolt people?
They just want to be seen as the victim and hero who put le "evil nerds" in their place.

Geek and otaku culture is not okay nowadays in comparison to 2 decades ago. It just became normie centered.

>>29780800
And that's why they stay in their 2-view hell. Learn to be charasmatic and play a character and you'll realize that it actually takes work to be engaging and you're working for your money. I'm sure she was working for her money, but just decided to shoot herself in the foot to elevate her self worth/social status with her 'in group' while also essentially shittalking fans who show up on a regular basis so she can be 'better' than her simp viewers.

>>29780653
damn this seems really plausible, I bet her fanbase name rhymes really well with cuck too

>>29781152
>they absolutely do it on purpose
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

>>29781352
It's so fucking funny that someone is willing to ruin their gravey train over a retarded insecure boyfriend. Get his ass off the mod team and tell him to stop watching your content when you start dating, because that isn't the actual, real you. If she started dating a fan-turned-mod, then she's dumb as fuck to begin with.
In the end, it's no different than having someone who does onlyfans shit as your girlfriend. Either you're ok with it and don't give a fuck, you're a faggot who isn't ok with it and pretends to be because you don't want to lose a relationship (via not talking about it and being firm on your stance that the relationship won't work for you if they choose to continue doing it), or you don't start dating in the first place because of it.

>>29767285
I have never gotten so invested in a vtuber and I find the parasocial aspect to be quite bad, yet this behavior by her deserves that she loses all of what she made.
What a fucking hypocrite piece of shit abuser she is.

>>29781483
Is arrogance and contempt malicious?

Why do males have such a hard time telling the difference between fiction and reality? Are you all trannies or something? Did you really think an anime png is your girlfriend?

>>29782779
Why are females (and "females") so insecure that they have to destroy men's happiness anywhere and everywhere they find it while shamelessly engaging in the same exact behavior?

>>29777633
George Washington was a 33rd degree Freemason.

>>29782779
People might claim they do, but almost no one really does or they would behave very differently.

>>29781889
I'm not a mod though.

>>29782779
Obviously not you fucking retard.
People aren't schizos losing the plot
They just misunderstand how much they care, they think they build some sort of bond. Not some tight bond like partner or best friend, but like a friend on the internet type of deal, only to find out it was ALL an act and the vtuber was just dming them and talking with them for hours for their continued supply of whale moolah and only their money is appreciated despite how often they were told that their presence was the desirable thing.
For GFE streamers, especially the ones that do nothing but lovey dovey asmr shit and spend hours talking with their paypigs and playing games with them on discord and shit like that
It's not just a normal big streamer saying howdy and the anon going; holy shit we are now going out.

>>29766556
Just a reminder that women's behavior is all about dominance and control but not a single one of them know what they want. It doesn't matter if she's a doctor, a scientist or works at NASA and has an IQ higher than Einstein's. Everything a woman does is for attention, dictated by societal norms and because of a man. They don't do or say anything for themselves.
When you think a woman is in control of something or in charge of herself is because she thinks that's what cool for other people. Like those bitches complaining about parasocial shit, they doing it because they think that's what's cool and will bring her more attention and interest.
There's a reason why women weren't even allowed to vote. Of-course logically speaking you want to treat them like humans but women are easily influenced, manipulated and can't do anything on their own even if they have the capacity to do it.

>>29766556
They do know just by streaming they're having a parasocial relationship with chat right

>>29780282
>nene
>unintentional gfe
lmao

>>29766556
>(((noctyx)))
what did she mean by this?

>>29766556
>vtubers should declare some explicit rules
anon if you've ever interacted with a woman before you'd know that they all automatically assume that men can read their minds

>>29782779
It's all fantasy. You can do whatever you want on stream and people are allowed to interpert it any way they want, but you'd have to be retarded to choose to 'come out against' people who are willing to give you koney without a lot of fuss. I said it earlier, but there's much better ways to take care of people who cross the line than to ostricize a chunk of your fanbase.

>>29766556
Amazing idea on paper but
>Women accepting accountability to prevent drama
>When they already "win" every drama by default just by tweeting "lol cringe incel" without consequences
>Vtubers have to genuinely be malicious and do something like dox friends to get consequences and even then will still be view with sympathy when graduated
Yeah it's never happening

>>29783524
They're using the word to tie it together with the easiest straw man to set up - a person who no one can deny is so blatantly out-of-touch with reality as to think they have a very personal connection with the streamer. Once you remove the term from its proper usage, what remains to describe the back-and-forth relationship of the audience with the streamer? How much easier it is to excuse any amount of manipulation behind ambiguity, then.

If you really had fans with serious ""parasocial"" relationships with you of the type described by them - thinking the streamer is or should unironically be their girlfriend - you wouldn't be tweeting about it. You would completely pretend they didn't exist to ward off copycats while doing everything in your power to actually change your own behavior to discourage such schizos, just like the dozens twitch streamers who actually did get stalked IRL. Because that is what someone who genuinely thinks you're his girlfriend would do - they wouldn't sit at home, they'll go out to find you for the physical date they think you'll give them.

>>29784814
It has to be a really disturbed person to stalk them and I want to believe that's rare but honestly I am not sure. I remember a recent story of one dude from my country here in east europe going all the way to the US to stalk and harass that popular redheaded twitch e-thot because he was seriously under the delusion there was something more between them because he spent a lot of money on her. Then again the content she did and sold really is that of manipulation of these already unstable men.
Seeing Vtubers doing the same thing that enables these men to go completely nuts is really disgusting.

>>29767285
Add the secret fan discord to this for the true "just a streamer and viewer" experience™

>>29778266
I'm not a burger but i felt connected to Tom Bergeron out of all people when i was a kid and stopped watching the show he hosted when he retired.

>>29767160
women are like children when it comes to that, they don't know when to shut up to stop making themselves look like even more of a retard, they will double down again and again.
and when everyone else has left out of sheer embarrassment, they think the silence means they had the last word and won.

>>29768801
they are immature. they have an idea of how they'd like the situation to be (i.e. all of the advantages, none of the downsides) and then throw a tantrum when reality doesn't work like that-

>>29782779
Shut the fuck up femoid, your shitty kind obsess and make constant headcanons and ships for whatever boyband the corporations want to push this year.
Go and carve some kpop dude's name into your arm like the rest of your ilk.

>>29766556
Neck yourself, problem solved.

>>29779545
God, Kiara is so good at this.

>>29790276
She is the best for many reasons including this. She has carefully crafted her relationship with her fans in a perfect way.

>>29766648
second post best post

>>29779260
Your girlfriend sounds cool. I remember when my ex acted out her schoolgirl fantasies with me, that was fun as hell.
OTOH it's a little bit peculiar because Suisei is a real person (or not a real person, real character, natural person, hm?), but the important thing is that everyone's having fun.
Good going man.

>>29767285
>>29766556

>>29782779
I just like watching cute anime girls being cute anime girls, to me that's the content I like. As soon as they introduce a boyfriend or whatever it gets kind of weird that I'm enjoying some dudes boyfriend being cute. I don't even care if they date behind the scenes it just makes the relationship a bit too weird for me as soon as they are open about it and I'll naturally lose interest.

>>29778116
This is why I respect AVtubers. We both know what we are here for.

>>29792295

>>29766556
>I think vtubers should declare some explicit rules about the nature of their relationship with the viewers
What kind of colossal retard do you have to be to think a vtuber is ACTUALLY infatuated with you?

>>29766556
I think vtubers should remember that they are there for the audience and not the other way around.

>>29794180
>be woman
>be unable to argue and say anything other than personal anecdotes and ad hominem personal attacks about pussy, a mans appearance, a mans ability to acquire females or call him an incel
Women are npcs honestly, it's crazy
It's just the same 5 things every "argument" with every woman

What does parasocial even mean?

>>29794922
i plugged the word "parasocial" into Google:

>Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence. Parasocial relationships are most common with celebrities, organizations (such as sports teams) or television stars.

>>29766556
bets on how quickly she'll change her tune when the memberships start getting cancelled

>>29795018
So it's just empathy. Thanks.

>>29795018
in conclusion: streaming is inherently parasocial

>>29767285
This needs more context, what's she replying to in the bottom tweet?

>>29794654
watching vtubers and streamers in general is a refuge for the mentally ill, anon

Western females are trained from an early age to expect to have their cake and eat it too.

>>29795265
You feel that way because you spend too much time here.

>>29766679
Might as well post the classic

>>29775572
This, your business is to be a charming entertainer online. If you're fucking bad at your job people will proceed to not be charmed and not care. plenty of 2view NGMIs will say stupid shit and never get a big audience and retire in a year or two, whatever. I think half those people put up the "fuck le parasocials touch grass :)" type shields as a cope on their part so they have someone to blame when they fail on their own accord.

If you're actually charming but feel an insecure need to try to then slap those people around that shows you're more of either a bitch with an ax to grind against the very audience you sought as a vtuber, which REALLY fucking begs the question why you became one to begin with, or you're someone who really doesn't understand what they're doing being a streaming personality to begin with. See Vox looking pathetic with his "I'm not actually a demon we're not dating go get help" rant and then doing a BF ASMR 2 days later for how fucking retarded it looks to attempt to be some kind of "fuck le parasocials" audience-anti while catering to that exact audience.

To a small extent his hypocrisy kind of extends out to vtubers in general, or at least 99% of them who relied on a pretty/cute model to charm the audience and not ones who had purposefully weird/ugly models to express themselves. If you really didn't care how the audience sees you because you don't care if they don't get attached to you? Then you don't need the anime avatar and can facecam with no makeup and not give a shit because you're just their online bro. If you want to manipulate the audience by using a cute avatar and acting cute all the time to match it, you don't GET to complain about some of them liking you more than platonically as a result. They're doing what you fucking set out to do when you became a vtuber.

>>29780249
One plays a dumb young sister who thinks every person is a husband, the other plays the part of overtly jealous girlfriend. It's GFE parody

Any GFE content creator that complains about parasocial relationship people in their chat should unironically kill themselves. It would be better for everyone, especially the people that consume GFE content.

>>29795508
No, I barely come here. I feel that way because literally any streamer I've ever watched gets donos about how their streams stopped someone from killing themselves or how they helped them through their depression.

>>29796141
you get a handful of those people in streams with quadruple digits, they just stick out like a sore thumb because nobody wants to hear about it.

>>29796141
>someone made a dono message about how they were suicidal or depressed
>therefore all viewers were also suicidal or depressed
You must have slept when they were teaching critical thinking in schools.

>>29796213
It's obviously hyperbole to imply that all viewers are mentally ill, but the point is they are proportionally way overrepresented, and they likely make up the bulk of supas that vtubers farm. Who else is paying their money to have their imaginary friend read their message back to them?

>>29795628
Post the clip of the yab please i wanna laugh again

Can't help but feel like streamers who shit on parasocial fans are doing it for social bonus points on twitter or whatever. They're an easy target because no one defends parasocial behavior, other viewers will agree because they don't see themselves as being parasocial, and other streamers will agree because they feel like they can relate despite being literal 2views.
It's honestly disgusting how streamers will lay down all these venues for parasocial activity boo to give rise such as sharing personal information about their lives, sob stories of their past that are often times meant to trigger an emotional resposne from the viewers, membership exclusive content, supachats, donations, merchandise, ASMR, and so on.
It's like they're shitting on drug addicts wihle being drug dealers themselves. Fuck em'.

>>29796387
https://streamable.com/82tfiw

>>29795693
Well said.

>>29768126
Russia

>>29796448
It's easy because the thing they're attacking is a caricature deliberately exaggerated to give themselves an out. It's like Coca-Cola going "Coca-cola encourages healthy consumption of Coke. Don't end up like this! Drink wisely!" and then showing a picture of a 250kg man. Everyone else in the cinema laughs as they crack open another can.

>>29797126
yep

>>29766648
ah, our good friend projection is back at it again

>>29797126
Not only that, but some see it as an oppertunity to look better themselves to their Oshi by yes-manning to an unreasonable amount.
In the end though, the fantasy is fun and as long as both parties can walk away happy, what's the issue?

>>29766556
Every Vtuber should state something like this on their first day on twitter

Why do 3views feel like they're entitled to an opinion.

>>29767160
She lost 4 followers btw

>>29770578
And you'll accept THIS too *grabs dick*