/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>29762424
No, for either side.
>Nux was clearly setting up a vtuber group with some well known Indies but ultimately had to scrap the idea because of the backlash
>VShoujo got exposed for their ineptitude as a company when prior to it there were autist here and outside who legitimately thought they had better management than Cover and maybe all of vtubing.
>Even the VS talents got their reputation somewhat tarnished for their hypocrisy with IM being the only one who has fully recovered from that debacle

>>29762424
>implying vwhorejo was ever worth anything

>>29762424
Nux is a dumb faggot leech, but he was right.

Mistakes were made, but it's from an older news cycle.

>>29762424
can I get an unmedicated qrd?

All the surge of anti vshojo threads today

Lemme guess is it lunchtime for indonesia today?

Nux is a grifter who pretends to be his own girlfriend. he uses his Covfefe sock puppet account to communicate with all the creators who have iced him out.

>>29762672
>hypocrisy with IM being the only one who has fully recovered from that debacle
Naa, it still left a sour taste in many people's mind because she claimed she talked to him before in t public. it turned out to be a load of bullshit

>>29763283
>Nux is a grifter
That doesn't really mean much on the virtual grifter board.
>>29763063
IIRC Nux released a video that he wasn't explicitly told not to release about some supposed phishing issue involving a fake Vshoujo audition. Vshoujo (EN) then went off half cocked and seemingly misrepresented what happened. And yet, because they had significant clout, even though they appeared to be in the wrong, their irresponsibility wound up making both parties look bad.

tldr Vshoujo (EN) completely shit the bed by not doing their due diligence before making public statements, and it's why they're generally considered "adorkable but not always competent." The entire thing was basically a collective woman moment.

>>29762672
>No, for either side
vshojo is bigger than ever
nothing happened to them

>>29763283
Now that is one sad rrat if its true lol

>>29762672
It made people realise that even Iron mouse isn't the "wholesome" girl she plays all the time.
She replied to him in the lines of "we told you not to post the video, but you still go out of your way to break the trust of your friends".
Later in the screenshots and the information it was revealed that Melody gave him the green signal and they never told him to stop explicitly. It made me realise that IM will throw her "friends" on the road if it comes to saving her reputation and the company's reputation

>>29762424
this whole thing is explicitly why you don't interact with grifters and clout chasers. coulda easily figured that out in the age before vtubers

>>29763836
>It made me realise that IM will throw her "friends" on the road if it comes to saving her reputation and the company's reputation
Or Ironmouse and Melody never talked about it, which is the more likely explaination

>>29764112
So you are saying they were told by the "people" in the call that they tried to stop Nux?
Comeon man

>>29762424
Why do the vshoujo faces look so stupid and souless? Something about them is really off

>>29764289
I'm saying that you're attributing to malice what was most likely miscommunication

>>29764420
because
>thing
>thing(japan)
is synonymous with
>soulless
>soul
when it comes to anime

>could've made a group to rival vshojo with liggers like Bao and Shylily
>instead just gave in and faded away to obscurity

>>29764422
>Miscommunication
I mean that could be the case but then she shouldn't have started with the crocodile tears in the next stream saying how she got death threads when what Nux was going through because of their stupidity was 100x worse.
Even in the Stream she never addressed that what she said to Nux on twitter was wrong. She could have atleast tried to make the situation better by accepting if that's the case. Not saying she 100% had a malicious intent but it appeared that way.
NTA btw

>>29764659
I mean I think she overaplays her sickness and all but I don't think she is that bad. I still don't like her though

>>29764659
>women
>not exaggerating their own suffering while ignoring men's, even when the latter is their fault
>admitting fault
>taking responsibility
Anon...

>>29764659
>saying how she got death threads
Wasn't that pink cat?

>>29764659
>I mean that could be the case
It most likely was the case
Assuming malice makes you a schizo

>>29764895
IM said the exact same thing
>>29764911
A mentally healthy person will most likely accept their fault instead of showing crocodile tears that they fucked up anon.
She is not making the situation any better.
On top of that, I never said she had malicious intent but I am not throwing that possibility out of the window

>>29764420
Because for some reason they use this godawful art style in all of their promotional material even though it doesn't look anything like any of their actual models.

>>29764659
This is exactly what I think.
She should have just straight up said that yeah she and Vshojo messed up instead of throwing a tantrum about how much she suffered and what all are the girls going through. I mean the entire internet was after Nux's ass and he decided to actually act like a mature one here unironically and put an end to the situation. If it were me, I would have never forgiven Iron Mouse and Melody because he actually helped them when they were nobodies and when Melody's artist was attacking them

>>29764504
A group managed by Nux would've been a disaster.

>>29765035
The fault is the person trying to grift off other peoples misfortune by making a video about her being doxxed

>>29765157
>he says in a vshojo thread

>>29762424
getting rid of nux is worth anything

>>29762424
Qrd?

>>29765171
How exactly??
What Nux did actually helped people to know an indie Vtuber was doxxed and swatted. What about that girls grief?

What about the trauma that she had to go through??
None of the Vshojo girls reached out to her before Nux's video when they were fully aware this was happening anon

>12 people got doxxed
>it was only 2 but how am i supposed to make myself lookg good and vshojo look bad
>i was told not to make the video
>i never claimed this
>ok i said this but it was my brother who told me
>nux "i was doxxed and swatted once" taku doesnt give 2 shits about someone asking him to take it down in fear of getting doxxed and swatted

>>29765171
If your next post isn't you declaring a fatwah on both journalists and dramatubers, you've no right to complain. Exploiting and publicizing people's misfortune for profit has been a thing for a long time, well before the internet even existed.

>>29765348
>Exploiting and publicizing people's misfortune for profit has been a thing for a long time
And it's immoral you fucking sociopath

>>29765345
It's ironic how people say Nux had malicious intent but at the same time Mousey was a cute Dumbo who was trying to fight for what she believed was right

>>29765345
>>12 people got doxxed
>>it was only 2
That doesn't make it right anon. Yeah Nux is a fucking asshole. But this shows that Vshojo is just as bas as they don't give a fuck about the people who are being swatted

>>29765480
they were helping 1 person already and the 2nd person forgot to hit send on her discord message and immediatly went "wow vshojo doesnt care" and when called out went WOOPS HAHA WOW DISCORD WAS BEING BAD THAT DAY HAHA

I like how I thought we will have to deal with Holo bromies here but it turned out we are dealing with much worse people. We are unironically dealing with Nuxcocksuckers here

>>29763615
>adorkable
Good summary but mostly I'd like to commend you on using a word that I think I've only seen a total of like 4 times in my life.

>>29763615
being a virtual whore pandhandler is par for the course for vtubers, we all know that. Nux routinely betrays, misrepresents and sells out his associates for clicks. He's worse.

>>29765407
No argument there. My point was just that people are often hypocrites who usually limit their outrage to the those they don't like, which is why they shouldn't be taken seriously unless/until they go full lugenpresse and shit on for-profit mass media as a whole.

>>29765522
>he thinks people actually care about Nux
People just hate vshojo.

>>29765345
>>29765171
You say that but wasn't it Nux who helped Melody and Iron Mouse with the whole Digi arc?
If you all believe Nux is bad as you all think he is, why did he even help those two in the first place?
He literally had both to gain

>>29765554
What are you talking about you bilthering retard
Anyone who profits off others misfortunes is a scumbag and automatically in the wrong

>>29765586
I don't know what you're talking about but people "help" other people for personal gain all the time
If I help this person, it makes me look good
It's a big ego game

>>29765586
why make the video that retarded if you're trying to help?

>>29764911
>Assuming malice makes you a schizo
Only if it's the first incidence, which this is. If someone has a history of malicious intent, it's simply prudence. But Mel and a lot of the Vshojo girls and guy are dumbasses so I'm going to bet on incompetence this time. That, and I dislike Nuxtaku considerably more than any vshojo member.

>>29765517
were they? it must have been after I stopped paying attention to the mess

>>29765586
Fact is, you know he helped because a video was made by him. That's what he gained.
>>29765619
This. I respect those that help privately most. Broadcasting your virtue is no big deal.

>ITT Vwhorejo SIMPs try to pretend things weren't bad on the one time most of /vt/ did their archive reps and realized everyone in Vwhorejo is a snaking Judas.

>>29765882
>I respect those that help privately most
If it was private you wouldn't know
Coco loves to low-key virtue signal by doing things for other people that they will tell you about instead of her

>>29765592
A bit too extreme, considering we're both using technology whose parts and assembly were sourced from countries whose labor laws might not be the most humane. I'd just prefer people stop chasing after and profiting off the destruction of other people's reputations, or any other misfortune they're going through, since that's just willfully cruel.

>>29765913
both sides are shit
vshojo should have said "no you cant make a video" and called all his shit fake if he did
and nux shouldnt have filled his video with lies

>>29765943
>considering we're both using technology whose parts and assembly were sourced from countries whose labor laws might not be the most humane
Speak for yourself, I don't own a mobile phone
But that's still a retarded thing to say, if you didn't buy one mobile phone the amount of suffering you have alleviated is so small that you can't measure it
If you go around making dox drama videos you are directly and significantly harming others

>>29764659
You assume a mouse thinks at all or care about optics? She would be twice as big if she cared about clout or numbers. Nux got what he deserved simple as. Girls are dumb, that’s it. Fuck off with this holo/niji deflection thread. I’m glad that faggot is gone

>>29762424
Vshojo had to drop auditions entirely because nobody wanted to be employed for a company that shits on their privacy so much. They'll want to join even less now that a serial doxxer like Rushia is in vshojo
In every manner of speaking, Nux won.

>>29766176
Is that what the voices in your head tell you, Nux?

>>29766176
>Nux won
The cost was too great
>>29766051
Again, no argument here...so long as the principle is applied equally to all forms of mass media. If I could Thanos snap the entire gossip industry out of existence, except for those who report on actual public servants (and only while they're public servants), I would.

The only point I was trying to make is that Nux is just one of many loose lipped cunts in this world, which is why having any real resentment towards him is just overreacting to what's basically the norm for a lot of content publishers both online and off. It's like being angry at an ant for being an ant. At that point, it's more a reflection on you than him. Platforms' algorithmic promotion of, monetization for, and lax standards towards dramafaggotry is ultimately the real issue. It's a systemic institutional problem more than anything else.

>>29766176
>In every manner of speaking, Nux won
Except for his vtuber group not happening.

>>29766386
>The only point I was trying to make is that Nux is just one of many loose lipped cunts in this world
This point is totally irrelevant and makes you look disingenuous
I'm not angry at Nux, I don't give a shit about him, the people saying that VShojo girls should apologize for offending this bottom feeder are crazy

>>29765951
Always great to watch Vdykejo act as if this entire situation wasn't their own fault when they try and fail to deflect blame for it.

Nux's numbers fell off and he is soft-banned from collabs with many vtubers on twitch.
Vshojo suffered no consequences aside from occasional bait threads on /vt/.

>>29762424
The threads were pretty fun at least

>>29766452
They should apologize for spreading fake news about him without getting their facts straight, and compensate him for all the damage their public shitshow on mainstream social media using their corporate vtuber platforms caused his "career." Anime girls are cuter when they've eaten shit and been humbled.
>>29766536
Oh yeah, I actually forgot what they did to arcadum. Christ, they really are awful. At least they're still good for some free entertainment.

>>29766730
>They should apologize for spreading fake news about him without getting their facts straight, and compensate him for all the damage their public shitshow on mainstream social media
No they shouldn't, because he's a grift profiting off other people's misfortune
He deserves it

Nux is a faggot, but Vshojo did him wrong.

>>29766176
>in every manner speaking, Nux won
Kek.

>>29766176
Nux is this you?

>>29762424
Nux ruined his "toxic to toxic people" image forever by cucking to VShojo.
VShojo permanently ruined their reputation in the EN side by trying to cancel a guy who was trying to help them.
It wasn't worth it for either side.

>>29766841
>VShojo permanently ruined their reputation in the EN side
They didn't, nobody cares

>>29766763
>he's a grift profiting off other people's misfortune
>He deserves it
Take it up with YouTube and their community guidelines towards drama content. However, because it was institutionally approved of at the time, Nux is technically in the right. IMO, Vshoujo owes him both an apology and their money. Even whores gotta pay their dues.

>>29766841
>VShojo permanently ruined their reputation in the EN side
but they're fine though

>>29766730
Arcadum did that to himself, Vshojo had practically no involvement though.

>>29766881
>Vshoujo owes him both an apology and their money
They don't owe him anything
If he sued them for defamation, he'd lose

>>29766730
>what they did to arcadum. Christ, they really are awful.
What? They didn't do anything to him, he got cancelled by a bunch of other women revealing discord screenshots and recordings of him being a fucking weirdo who thinks he's an anime villain who deserves sex because he's sad.

>>29766730
>they did to arcadum
The one who started it wasn't in vshojo. In fact most of them didn't even talk about it they just dropped him quietly for obvious reasons.

>>29766922
vshojo is so incompetent that the lawyer they'd hire would make amber heard's lawyers look like phoenix wright

>>29766536
>Arcadum
This is your brain on /vt/. The vshojo boogeyman is everywhere.

>>29766730
Are you really defending the 17.8% guy now? You can dislike Vshojo without siding with retards like him.

>>29766922
are you stupid? he doesn't win anything by suing them that wouldn't help in any way, shape or form it would only made him look like an extremist dumbass

>>29767062
He's a mentally unwell women hater, if it wasn't obvious from the content of his posts

Question from a guy who never watched vshojo, what kind of atmosphere do they have before this issue? like a "group of friends'esque" kind of feel? etc? what reputation? seriously asking, please.

If you hate Vshojo so much that you are siding with Nux about literally anything you need to unironically turn off your computer and take your meds before you lose grip on reality completely.

>>29767081
what?

Arcadium it's still streaming and Idk how he got the balls after being exposed that hard, maybe he doesn't have shame wth

>>29766763
>>29766773
They did him dirty but this would've happened eventually no matter which group it was, solely based on how much of a complete leech the fucker is. I understood that something like this was going to happen to him before I even got into vtubing because the writing on the wall had a massive font and was in bold.
Even the debut of that agency that he was supposed to be a part of is set in such an odd date during this whole thing until you realize that he was going to use the video as his big push up to make himself look more favorable and get even more buddy buddy with vshojo during their anniversary. I think that's the part that really makes me not care much about Nux in this, his "help" was so blatantly another attempt at bouncing off of other people to boost himself and make himself look like the savior of western vtubing.

>>29767125
vshojo isn't really a group, they act like independent vtubers

>>29766878
>>29766886
general VTubing community, not /vsj/ safespaces.

>>29762424
For Nux, hell no. He pretty much locked himself out from the Western indie scene for life. Most of the big indies basically cut communication with him after this incident.
Vshojo got kson and JP pink cat, so it pretty much didn't affect them.

>>29767166
>They did him dirty
Hardly. That's like saying if someone robs a house and they get shot by the owner he got "done dirty". If you make your living profting off other peoples misfortune, and one of your targets gets publically upset about it and ruins your reputation, you got what was coming to you

>>29767125
Content wise most never really changed. None of this affected vshojo much except I think they're less willing to allow random people into their "inner circle"

>>29767162
Yeah but he used to DM for big named youtube/twitch people and now he does it for nobodies. Kinda funny to see how desperate he is.

>>29767125
not a super frienship Nux would often feature many of the vshojo talents like I.M, Zen & Melody (who was probably his closest friend) vei & the cat hate nux since a long ago

>>29767180
nobody cares at all
nobody likes nux

>>29767180
You mean containment breakers and Nux fans on twitter?

>>29767174
>>29767229
thanks.

>>29766910
Anon, we don't victim blame around these parts.
>>29766952
Disloyalty isn't a virtue.
>>29766932
>him being a fucking weirdo who thinks he's an anime villain who deserves sex because he's sad
Based. Sounds like a guy I'd have a beer and play vidya with.
>>29766922
All you just did was blow your own back out by implicitly drawing a parallel between Nux and Saint Vic, who also didn't get any justice when his reputation was trashed by a bunch of deceitful whores.
>>29767091
Love you too, babe ;)

>>29767283
who the fuck is Saint Vic?

>>29764112
And a competent company would have told them both to shut the fuck up and repeat whatever management tells them to. Vshojo isn't a company, it's a friend group with branding.

>Unrelated
One thing I hate about nux is how he bitches about anime having a "problem" with making every setting a high school & how that's wierd? like he's completely oblivious what fucking genre he watching its called Shonnen for a fucking reason its for teens, goofy lookin ass

>>29767316
That's the most accurate description I've heard so far

>>29767316
>Vshojo isn't a company, it's a friend group with branding.
Correct.

>>29767335
His anime content is basically just complaining about something for the sake of it.

>>29767299
Before there was Nux, another anime guy was beleaguered by shitty women, scorned by his industry, and denied his rightful dues.

>>29767316
They don't have "managers" who coordinate their actions like Hololive does

>>29766176
>In every manner of speaking, Nux won.
Even if he did win (which he didnt) that would be the worst pyrrhic victory ive ever seen, since he's vtuber group plans were BTFO'D
Meanwhile vhoes got 2 big names in and will probably get more in the future

>>29767373
Nux wasn't cancelled for sexual harrassment allegations, he was cancelled for something he undeniably did, and deserved

>looked at the faggots channel
>"insane doxxing drama"
>SWATTING DOXXING thumbnail
>13 days ago
This is just sad. No wonder OP made a thread for him, assuming it's not him attempting to salvage his clout

>>29767227
He absolutely did get what was coming to him but they could've done it in a smoother, less self deprecating way.

>>29763632
Nah, Ironmouse specifically is bigger than ever.

For whatever reason, people like to pretend as though her success = that of the company as a whole, but it doesn't. Unless we're going to start arguing that Gura's success = that of Council too. All of the other VShojo girls are roughly doing the same as they've ever been.

>>29767227
wtf? He was clearly helping, it certainly the problem wouldn't have been solved because Vshojo said nothing about it putting potential people in danger, take your fucking meds you brain is not thinking

>>29767166
He had already been pushing it with some of the girls, like recording Mouse without her knowing and using it for content or barging into Snuffy's chill stream and trying to get her to make some Logan Paul suicide forest jokes, people talk about them suddenly throwing their "friend" under the bus but many of them weren't on very good terms with him at that point.

>>29767434
Nux "helped" some vtubers out with some doxxing issue, then he made a public video about it. The issue was the people who were "helped" didn't want this video made, but he did it anyway

>>29767127
The enemy of my enemy is my friend screw vwhorejo

>>29767399
LMFAOOO your right I almost forgot, he tried to make a big vtuber group with bao & other people, they even changed their names with "REDACTED" than the Vshojo shit happens and most of the people decided to not do it for their reputation sake, LMAOO

>>29767265
I mean "general audience" as in "I don't even watch streams, I just like watching cute anime girl clips" tier folks.
Check out ANY clip, reaction or reddit thread about KSon joining VShojo, it almost always has a few "I understand that VShojo doesn't exactly have the best reputation BUT" people defending her decision.
And of course people outright shitting on VShojo as well.
They made their bed already.
Just because you don't venture outside of your safe spaces doesn't mean everyone else shares your opinion.

>>29767417
>he was cancelled for something he undeniably did, and deserved
That's exactly what they said about Saint Vic.
>>29767423
>women
>having humility
>understanding appropriate use of force
"Woman cop with a gun" is a meme about women cops wrongfully murdering people for a reason. Men are usually the ones who have a better grasp of what consequences are appropriate, at least when it comes to other men.
>>29767399
That's a good point. If Vshoujo came out of it suffering no consequences whatsoever, that's actually a good reason to not watch them until they've made amends.

>>29767598
>I understand that VShojo doesn't exactly have the best reputation BUT
thats not because of Nux

>>29767617
>That's exactly what they said about Saint Vic.
Except it was unprovable
Nux did upload this video - it was available for view on Youtube

>>29767470
I think Melody was the only one who could even be described as being on vaugely friendly terms, everyone else fucking hated him.
>>29767498
Nigga set the keyboard down and drink some watert holy fuck

>What I got from the drama
>Vshojo
They are fucking backstabber with no loyalty if it damage their reputation, I believe in 2nd chances but ffs at least I.M it's BEARLY alright but still sucks she chose friends over friends, and ruin Nux's chance to make a company with ex-friends. and probably his closest friedn melody backstabbed him too, they all fucking suck. and it sucks more that they swept it under the rug.
>Nux
His reputation was a bit damage but still makes content, and tried to move on, he's still in talking terms with Zen

>>29767691
Are you literally 14 years old?

>>29767478
you fucking idiot I can't belive it, MELODY WAS THERE retard she approved it with some of the vshojo management and the cat fucking went balistic because they helped Nux and approved the video, the indie Vtuber that got the cam e-mail didn't get notify about the scam and that says the fucking comapny didn't tell anyone about it putting people in danger, it's not that complicated, its as clear as watet

>>29767691
>she chose friends over friends
What?

>>29767643
Blaming the player instead of hating the game is low-test. It's Youtube's fault for even allowing that kind of content, including mainstream news. The only ones who ought not have a right to privacy are public servants, but singling out one shitter and blaming him for Youtube's institutional failings really isn't the answer.

>>29767814
>The only ones who ought not have a right to privacy are public servants
cool, can you give me your credit card number?
you're trying to sound smart by deflecting blame but you sound like an idiot

>>29767762
>she approved it
She didn't say anything, she was only present in the sense she helped start the talk on discord between him and Vshojo staff.

>>29767814
>Blaming the player instead of hating the game is low-test
You dont know what low-test means faggot. There is nothing more beta than kneeling to the trends of a soulless corporate entitt instead of fighting tooth and nail to make honorable content in the way that it should be made, to make what you want the way you want it. Get the fuck out of here with that disgusting corpo dick sucking attitude which will change nothing and comply with ineptitude.

>>29767769
If you have two people who you call friends, than you shouldn't choose between them, I.M choose to side with Nyan instead of remain neutral and trying to learn more about the situation

>>29767127
If you hate some random asshole online so much that you will side with some bitches willing to throw that asshole under the bus for showing everyone how retarded they and they're company are you unironically need to leave the internet cause it's affecting your judgement.

>>29767617
>That's a good point. If Vshoujo came out of it suffering no consequences whatsoever, that's actually a good reason to not watch them until they've made amends
A good reason to not watch vwhorejo is that their contente is shit, but in this specific situation cuckxtaku was being a nigger. Sure, vsh*ujo fucked up, and had the moral obligation of releasing a clear statement alerting people of what was going on, so one would assume n*x making that video was beneficial, the problem is, nux, being the dramanigger that he is, makes the video in such a retarded way that completely fucks vsh*ujo over, making them (understandably) angry at him for being a dramafaggot
TL:DR two wrongs dont make a right, vhoejo fucking up doesn't justify cuckx stabbing his "friends" in the back with inflamatory bait video

>>29767864
Anon, please, I'll just send you some doge once you stop sucking gunrun's dick and get to work on mine.
>>29767929
>content creators have to do all the work
>while i sit back and blame them instead of the institutions that incentive them to make certain types of content and reward them for it
Anon, you're a basic bitch.

>>29767180
Outside of literally less than 10 autists on twitter, nobody even brings it up anymore and the vtuber community outside of brony spaces still adore them and speak positively towards them

>>29767941
>two people who you call friends
She had already started distancing herself from him, they weren't really friends by that point.

>>29767885
Still bro, she knew the video was going to be release, she must've seem the video and thought it was ok but than suddenly it wasn't?? she backpaddled

>>29767990
>gunrun
who?
I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think you're being sincere
Youtube DOESN'T allow that type of content. Youtube would have removed it if they reported it. But understandably they are upset first and foremost at the person who made the video. You trying to deflect the blame away from the person who actually did the wrongdoing is just sociopathic

>>29767990
If you make subpar shitty content, you make subpar shitty content. That's the bottom line.
Want my money? Don't make shitty content, retard. Did Sseth start to make crappy dramanigger contnet?

>>29768022
What? thats bs idk how you believe that melody was still appearing in Nux's videos, just because it happened that she didn't appear for some time it doesn't mean she started to distancing herself, just because you don't see them interact doesn't mean they stopped talking or something, what are you on?

>>29768028
She, and the staff especially, definitely should've put their foot down with him in the beginning, but not saying anything isn't the same as approval.

>>29768135
I thought you were talking about Ironmouse.

no

>>29768049
>Youtube DOESN'T allow that type of content.
I see drama/gossip content about non-public entities all the time. If Youtube took it as seriously as they do illegal content, a beautiful purge would've already taken place. They just don't care because drama sells.
>>29768066
Anon, you have every right to not patronize content creators you don't like, so long as you don't act like a lowly sycophant who uses that as an excuse to let ill-behaved whores off the hook. At that point, you're just being petty.
>>29768149
>She, and the staff especially, definitely should've put their foot down with him in the beginning
This is the important part. Vshoujo massively fucked up by being overtly incompetent, then threw Nux under the bus instead of owning their own spinelessness. It was their responsibility to tell him outright to not be a fuckwit, not publish the video, and instead handle things delicately. Their ineptitude wasn't his fault or responsibility.

Did they ever catch the doxxer anyways? I remember Nux said he did only for them to make a video laughing at him.

>>29768149
>silence isn't the same as approval
ooomfg they even thanked HIM, if you cannot see how bad they fucked up and how they backpedaled so fuckin hard than your fucking blind, and you're not listening, missed me with you self-justifying bs

>>29768266
>I see drama/gossip content about non-public entities all the time
It's not the drama and gossip that's the issue
It's the discussion of the dox and the threat the person's privacy and personal safety which is the issue, and Youtube can and will remove those videos

>>29768292
They being the Vshojo management, not Melody.

>>29768266
They did tell him not to he just didn't listen. Hell he claimed he caught the doxxer which was straight up wrong in the video. Makes me wonder who he did catch and what happened to them.

>>29768242
yes

>>29765919
I know but the point is we don't need to know every good deed people do. They're seeking people's admiration instead of just doing it to be decent human beings.
>Coco loves to low-key virtue signal
It's pretty high key actually but I don't dislike her for it.

>>29768453
>It's pretty high key actually
It's low key enough to fool most people

>>29762424
>Was it worth it?
Only to all of the drama and news channels but you all knew that.

>>29768199
its the same, I.M & Melody choose to side with the friend they liked the most, I was talking about I.M but for some reason my mind went to Melody which was a similat situation, ans still just cuz I.M didn't interact with Nux in public it didn't mean they stopped being friends. (its very late over here)

>>29765204
They're doing just fine. Rehabbing + boosting Ex-Holos and picking up the right backend people in Japan. Their subway ad campaign probably caught the right eyes and a lot of streamers over there are probably very interested in what they have to offer, signed to a corpo or not.

However you feel about any of the stupid rrats and drama posted /here/ regarding them -- the amount of people that give a shit is less than a percent of their potential viewer base.

>>29765913
Any particular incidents?

>>29768509
>just cuz I.M didn't interact with Nux in public it didn't mean they stopped being friends.
She straight up said herself that she had fallen out with him over the whole thing with him recording her without asking.

>>29768311
Anon, don't be willfully ignorant. Everyone in current year knows that dramafags always throw in their "in minecraft" disclaimer, where they claim they're not inciting harassment, because using your platform/account on mainstream social media to put people on blast will often eviscerate their reputation and incite some form of mass condemnation. It's all the same shit, and it all makes the interweb a more viscerally toxic place. Sometimes people even stalk the targets of dramashit offline, and swatting is also a thing. No good comes of content creators using their platforms to paint targets on people's backs, and you'd know this if you weren't an underage b& who doesn't remember what the world was like before the internet.
>>29768363
Not from the leaks I saw. I could've sworn they said something about how they wouldn't like it, but never explicitly forbid it.

>>29768351
what difference does it make? if Melody thanked him or not she still didn't said anything, and the comapny fucked up same as her for not having a spine on something that very easily should have a strong-ass spine on

>>29767253
Silver hated him too

>>29767619
Froot and Nyanners didn't have a PR and legal team to tamp down /a/ and /k/ schizos while being a chronically ill 20 year old is what you're saying.

>>29768749
didn't knew that one lol, she's like the least memorable after hajime who is the worst kept secret in the world

>>29762424
Nux is a gigantic faggot. But he showed a company run by a menhera without any corporate oversight is basically just a high school clique who will turn on anyone who is a perceived threat to one of them without actually considering the facts of what is happening.
Serves them right desu.
The only one of vshojo I respect is Mouse and she had the grace to apologise about it to Nux.

>>29768829
>worst kept secret in the world
They don't even keep it a secret. It's a running gag at this point.

>>29768266
>Anon, you have every right to not patronize content creators you don't like, so long as you don't act like a lowly sycophant who uses that as an excuse to let ill-behaved whores off the hook.
The entire point of Nux's content being brought into this discussion is about how he shamelessly used the people around him for cash and consistently did so without their consent. He went beyond collabs and made clickbait, he actively took vtubers he had 0 connection with and made it seem they were buddy buddy. Dude was a total parasite and say what you will about vshojo but they don't even use the few hololive collabs they get into like that. They dont use niji like that either, because they know its fucking disgusting.

>>29768952
It would be if she didn't still had the fucking vid of her requesting the model lmfaoo wtf

Somebody list every Vshojo drama/rrat so I can laugh at them

>>29768989
he still does clickbait shit on his thumbnails, that shit its annoying honestly its something I hate about him, he put gura on a Thumbnail and her name in the title and she wasn't there it was just him reacting to clips of her

>>29768989
I personally don’t like Nux because his voice is worse than eating glass. He also loves it when his friends jerk him off about how bad he had it when he was canceled and he survived it. His content is pretty much the same shit he’s always done too.

>>29769139
Sometimes he'll put people in the thumbnail who don't appear in the video at all, not even as him reacting to clips.

>>29768674
>Everyone in current year knows that dramafags always throw in their "in minecraft" disclaimer
Ironic that you're calling me underage and you think this actually works or means anything

>>29768989
Agreed, what the Youtube algorithm promotes, incentives and rewards is unwholesome. Nux is merely a product of that environment, where independent content creators feel like they need to pull out all the stops in a desperate effort to keep their foot in the door. As I said before, if the game is shit, don't blame players for being as shitty as the game expects them to be.

In contrast, Vshoujo didn't do what they did for clicks. They did it for pure ass covering purposes, and that's the point where they themsleves can be blamed since it's purely a reflection of their character. Especially when they had a chance to avoid this from the start and fucked it all up.

Why the fuck were any of them friends with such a blatant clickbaiting dramafag in the first place? It was inevitably going to end in some shitfest like this.

>>29769315
So what you're essentially saying is Nux is just a poor underprivileged Youtuber who has to resort to immoral behaviour because it's the only way he can get views, so it's really not his fault
You're a moron

>>29768813
Wait, /k/?!

>>29764911
You're a retard, willful ignorance is malicious, especially when you make decisions that affect other people, just because mouse is sick doesn't mean she is a gold person

ITT

>>29769371
Any independent content creator who's not part of the de facto gilded class (which we know exists, as was the case with twitch) and who doesn't have institutional corporate backing is, as far as I'm concerned, underprivileged. It's also why MCNs had a purpose in the first place, as a solution for problems content creators were facing due to Youtube's various "issues."

>>29769371
>amoral behavior
Nigger I don't think any of the fans of or vshojo themselves have any right to call anything amoral, keep in mind none of this would have happened if they weren't pieces of shit, most intelligent vshojofaggot. Enjoy your streamer who talks about getting railed on drugs and not feeling anything due to either the drugs or her overly used holes becoming insensitive due to her being a fucking spaced out hedonist narcissistic whore who can only sell herself sexually in lieu of actual abilities or charisma eaten up by fucking subhuman retards

>>29769517
You know you can just stop Youtubing and go and do something else with your life right? There is no "class" you idiot. There is no excuse for being an asshole making exploitative Youtube videos

>>29769582
I'm not a fan of VShojo, nothing they did was wrong in this situation apart from some mixed messaging, which is an honest mistake and not malicious

>>29769582
Uh oh someone is seething lol

>>29769625
It became malicious when they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt, didn't investigate, and took the first excuse they could to put him on blast simply because the narrative they were fed matched up with their pre-existing biases. As internet savvy chubas, they should've known better than to trust themselves.
>>29769587
I'm not a content creator, but it's obvious platforms have their respective gilded classes who get special treatment.

https://www.heypoorplayer.com/2020/09/02/markiplier-just-got-his-first-ever-youtube-strike-heres-why-its-a-big-deal/

>>29769863
Their pre-existing biases exist for a reason. He's obviously a dramawhoring nigger who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself and just wants to exploit other people to get famous. He did it over and over again. The mixed messaging just gives him an excuse to say "hey somebody didn't object, that must mean it's okay for me to release this video". It doesn't look good for them in public to denounce him because he has plausible deniability, but everyone knows the truth here

>>29769863
Are you underage?
A special clique still doesn't justify making exploitative content that can hurt someone's image who had nothing to do with you. Nux was a cunt and deserved what he got.

Is Zentreya an actual man or thats just a Rrrat?

>>29770074
I've seen Zen play games, definitely a woman.

>>29770074
Pretty sure he is but I dont give a shit since the tts debuff aint as strong as I thought it would be and that new model is pure sex

>>29770037
>Assuming the girls give a shit about anyone expect selected few and dont. just pretend to be wholesome & friendly
Actual Retard

>>29770074
Probably? I mean they've never actually said but what reason would a woman have to hide her voice? Although they did do a voice reveal a long time ago and it was a girl but her bf was also there and people think he is the actual Zen because of some suspicious things he said.

Basically it's complicated and mostly irrelevant.

>>29770050
>Nux was a cunt and deserved what he got.
No more than any other clickbaiting dramafag on YouTube, which is why singling him out for that reason was excessive. The only thing that'd justify it is if it was part of a greater crusade against dramatubers...and it wasn't. That's why it doesn't matter, because that's just an excuse.

>>29770232
Where did I say anything about the girls?

>>29767991
> outside of brony spaces still adore them and speak positively towards them
Wait why do Nijisanji spaces hate VShojo? I didn't know there was beef there.

>>29770182
the responde she gave after the shitstorm was pretty man-like so I'd believe he is a man

>>29770263
Nux is a cunt and other dramatubers are cunts
Why is this so hard for you to understand

>>29770304
They are, which is why being a cunt on YouTube is normal and completely undeserving of outrage at anyone except YouTube.

>>29770364
That makes no sense
If someone is a cunt, they deserve to get called a cunt
Youtube isn't doing anything wrong, the video in question would have been deleted if it got reported

>>29770233
yea thats what I've always thought, didn't know he had a gf I bet it was all planned, the best or worst part is that anyone can be zen cuz of the tts

>>29770418
>he got what he deserved
>also Youtube is right for not giving people what they deserve
Pick one, fencefucker. You can't have strong moral convictions if you don't take them to their logical conclusion.

>>29770513
People who act like cunts deserve to get called out for acting like cunts
Institutions should not take widespread action against people who are cunts though, because being a cunt is very subjective and unprovable
You really are a midwit aren't you

>>29770572
>People who act like cunts deserve to get called out for acting like cunts
Agreed
>Institutions should not take widespread action against people who are cunts though
Why not?
>being a cunt is very subjective and unprovable
Oh, so it's because you have no objective standards for cunthood and thus no ethical leg to stand on. Fantastic, glad to know you're a sycophant and completely full of shit. I'll just throw your credibility away for you.

>>29770687
I have objective standards for cunthood yes, they are just unprovable, and you can't have institutions act on unprovable things because it leads to an abuse of power

>>29770781
Objective standards are inherently provable. For example, if someone makes a video about someone without their consent, and that's something you disagree with, it's easily proven that they've been a cunt.

>>29765050
I like how literally nobody likes these corporate drawings and they double down on it. Just get Froot to do them all.

>>29767428
Any isn't the faggot pink cat crashing and burning given she's the one solely responsible for blowing the whole Nux sitution up?
Or was that more he coming out saying she's fucking someone and thinking there was a major market for cuckolds in vtubing?

>>29770904
>Objective standards are inherently provable
No they aren't
You can't prove what peoples intentions are, but these intentions still exist

>>29771008
Not him but they are still inherently provable, just not by us.
Objective means 'correct even beyond human perception'.

>>29771104
Yeah well if it's not provable by us it's not very useful in practice is it

>>29771145
Depends.
Do you think mankind is the highest being in the entire universe?

If yes, then yes; if we can't prove it then it may as well be defined as unprovable.
We may be destined to reach that stage but, as of now, we're not there yet. And there may yet be higher beings.

>>29771313
Perhaps we can find some gods or aliens to moderate Youtube for us then

>>29771392
If only.
They weren't AI at this point in the series. They even say they existed for 200 years already.

>>29771392
Or you could just accept that intentions can't be independently verified and your presumption of them is entirely subjective. Maybe social media sites just need to look at people's actions instead of trying to presume intent, while making a good faith effort to enforce their rules fairly and equally instead of just corruptly using them as a cudgel against people they either don't like or just don't care about.

>>29770979
No

>>29762424
Considering all parties left the scenario looking worse off, yes.
I hate all of them

>>29771530
That's exactly my point you fucking idiot

>>29762424
Why do people even like Nux to begin with? Just another react streamer.

>>29771584
Right, but that involves not singling people out. It means blaming the game rather than the players. Nux dindu nuffin, and Vshoujo were in the wrong. That's just how it is.

>>29771530
>while making a good faith effort to enforce their rules fairly and equally instead of just corruptly using them as a cudgel against people they either don't like or just don't care about
Not him, again, but they probably think they are doing the former BY doing the latter.
And there is, really, no way to trust man to keep up 'good faith' for long.

'For, besides what has been said, it should be borne in mind that the temper of the multitude is fickle, and that while it is easy to persuade them of a thing, it is hard to fix them in that persuasion. Wherefore, matters should be so ordered that when men no longer believe of their own accord, they may be compelled to believe by force'.
- De Principatibus

>>29771671
Jesus Christ you're so fucking bad at logically reasoning
Either you have some wierd agenda for Nux or you're just really stupid
Nux deserves to be personally discriminated against (by his 'victims') for exploiting people
He doesn't deserve to be be discriminated against by Youtube, unless he did something provably wrong. His video about doxxing would fall under the category, so Youtube has done nothing wrong here
The people at VShojo complaining about him exploting their personal situation haven't done anything wrong either except perhaps not collaborating on getting their stance straight, as a group

>>29771904
>Nux deserves to be personally discriminated against (by his 'victims') for exploiting people
Problem is, people online get away with faking victimhood all the time. That makes victimhood meaningless, and so nobody has a right to fault Nux for what he did.

>>29771846
[Entire dialogue]
- Euthydemus

>>29772271
What you just said makes absolutely zero logical sense. Do you have an agenda or are you stupid? The fact that some people make false accusations doesn't mean that if you make a true accusation, you're doing something wrong

>>29770503
It's me, I'm Zen.

>>29771540
Don't lie shill she used to average 8-9k now she averages 4k lol her views are pathetic even for niji

>>29762672
>who legitimately thought they had better management than Cover
says more about the multi million dollar company than the indies who collab and sell merch

>>29762709
>multiple talents mog tons of holos
Lol
Lao even

>>29773650
If you’re going to shit on her at least get it right anon, its 7k

>>29772418
People getting away with fake accusations due to a lack of healthy skepticism inherently makes all accusations untrustworthy because you know they won't be properly vetted.

>>29774587
My nigga Shxtou moving up the charts.
Senzawa and Karen come home we know you hate it over there.

>>29762424
Yes I love to see retards screaming at each other online

This board is the only place that sucks an anituber's dick just because he shit on the enemy corpo

>>29762424
Anon, if you are gonna talk about literal whos you need to give context, to begin with, who the fuck is vshoujo?

>>29776531
I just want them to better themselves, make amends and become vtubers worthy of my affection.

>>29762424
>>29763063
>>29763615
you forgot about the swatter he allegedly sent to jail (and was the core of his whole video) but in reality that was a big lie
fun fact, the original uploader of the swatting video also reuploaded nux's one to shit on him
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPW_asmMr8onc1Z_KEDb2rQ

>>29774587
>Justin Beiber sells more than Beethoven
>therefor Beiber is better
baka desu senpai.

why are people pretending to give a fuck about nux lol like who wouldn't cut him off to save their own career

>>29764422
It's still malice when Iron Mouse lied by omission and then tried to PR-spin it to him being in the wrong when both parties were retarded. She was being manipulative either way you frame it.

>>29777377
It's about the principle of it all.
>>29776855
Nux being shit is a separate issue entirely that vshilljos are trying to conflate with this one to justify shitting the bed.

>>29762424
Nux definitely lost because he didn't know how to play it, apparently he's not that bright and can't follow his own advice. I wonder how it all would've played out if he just released the video, ignored vshojo totally and just gone into a managerial position without putting nuxtaku anywhere near the new group.

What a fucking idiot.

>>29773650
Nah

>>29777651
>It's about the principle of it all.
>vshilljos
lmao

>>29774587
Nyanners is higher up than Iron Mouse? Huh

>>29777898
On YouTube, on twitch Mouse is the bigger one, but their CCV is almost the same, or it overlaps.

>>29777898
By Youtube subs, which makes sense since she already had a following on there before becoming a vtuber.

>>29770979
Simps exist my man, nyanfags already made a headcannon where pink cat is the victim.

>>29777377
This, I fucking hated the fag, he uses anything for content including the doxxing shit, where he depicted himself a lot like this big fucking hero. I’m glad he stopped appearing in Mouse or Mel channel or having content between him and VShojo. His content is an actual disease.

>>29767691
You must to be 18 to browser this website.

>>29778300
Good things being esl allowed

>>29769399
Froot had commissions for patches from /k/ommandos and I guess she fucked them over.

>>29770503
>the best or worst part is that anyone can be zen cuz of the tts
Great when an engaged and funny chat is memeing and playing off of Zen in a solo stream but Zen is dogshit in any collab because of the TTS bullshit.

The nuxtaku affair is a very good demonstration of why vsj not being a company (lol) is actually a really bad thing. All the core members have tied up their fortunes with each other and formed a clique. They will absolutely rip someone to shreds even if they're a member the instant they're perceived as a threat to the brand. The lack of corporate oversight means that all the power relationships will be informal, and so extremely fucked up that anything that actually is yab will cause massive escalation.

It is 100% the case already that certain members of the group are beholden to others in the group.

nux videos now rarely go above 500k. in a few months it will average below 100k.

>>29779936
>All the core members have tied up their fortunes with each other and formed a clique.
>They will absolutely rip someone to shreds even if they're a member the instant they're perceived as a threat to the brand
How do you logically contradict yourself that fast?

>>29780713
It's not a contradiction. If a member of the clique perceives someone to be damaging their shared fortunes, they will attack and rip them to pieces in order to minimize the damage. This is obvious common-place behavior. Only an autist wouldn't understand this.

>>29780192
Does nux have a real job other than doing low-effort clickbait and shitty game show formats? Looks like he lost his passion for clout chasing after he got burned by Vshojo.

>>29780799
Basically if high school was a company and your livelihood depended on not slighting the popular kid.

>>29780904
Not even just that. There is no company oversight to de-escalate or manage severe problems before they get out of hand. Many situations which could be resolved under the radar if calmer heads prevail simply won't be.

All of this stuff is well documented, especially in tech companies. Pretty much every company or loose profit-motivated association of people ends up devolving into this kind of shitty behavior without clarity to hierarchy. Many cases of companies that claim to have "flat" hierarchy end up devolving into anything but, the primary difference being that it's opaque, which results in self-interested school-yard bullying nonsense.

>>29762424
I hate both so definitely, Nux should've gone for the kill when he had the chance to tho. Alas he went the pussy route + twitchcels have no standards so the whores got off scot free.

>>29763836
IM is manipulative as fuck.
I can understand why she’s so desperate to make money, given her circumstances, but she has no qualms using others to do so. It was obvious from the moment she displayed her member count on her stream as her “precious family”. Like what a way to coerce your viewers into taking care of you. Wow.

>>29780799
The entire Nux Yab is a demonstration that Vshojo will always attack in a group, Nyan starts to sperg out and literally everyone goes "Fuck Nux" in quick succession.
They don't in fight with other members because they know they're strongest in a group, its why despite nyans sperging out and vei being generally abhorrent, none of them make noise unless its in support.

>>29781838
Nah, you just haven't seen a big enough yab yet. If one of them got accused of something nefarious enough they'd be eating them alive. They'll always attack in a group, but certain members of the group have a lot more sway than others, and their targets won't always be external.

>>29781960
What would be a big enough YAB because nothing short of an actual crime or open shit talking of other members seems like a big enough YAB when comparing it to things previous.

>>29765480
>they don't give a fuck about the people who are being swatted
Out of 2 people, they helped one (but she was too stupid to use discord right) and the other one was Nux.

And the attack is a simple phishing attempt. Should amazon and paypal also help me with every phishing mail I get that claims to be them?

On top of that.
>Nux got the wrong perpetrator and publicized that there is a ongoing investigation.

>>29782435
I dunno. Simplest example I can think of would be a totally unsubstantiated grooming accusation or something. Anything that would threaten the shared bottom line

>>29782513
You mean like Aethal?

>>29765552
>Nux routinely betrays, misrepresents and sells out his associates for clicks.
Also Nux:
>kept being friends with ZeRo and talked him out of his suicidal tendencies after the whole drama he was falsely accused of
???

I don't understand you nux schizos. Vshojo is thriving right now and nux is declining. Do you just make these threads to try and keep him relevant or what?

>>29784466
They may be thriving, but have they been in Belle Delphine's DMs, only to be called 'Nut' instead of 'Nux'? Yeah, didn't think so.

>>29784466
When someone is defeated beyond question, they can only fabricate a reality in which they have won or the defeat of their enemy is destined to be soon so that they can feel vindicated.

>>29762424
>Threads of him still exist here.

Will I get guaranteed (you)s if I say nux on a vshojo thread?

>>29785381
Not really
They are used to stray shitposters

>>29784466
Vshojo members getting their asses kicked by indies in their own platform is not considered thriving, shxtou has more viewers than mouse, shylily was literally going to mog mouse next right now as we speak but switched to playing stray losing 2k viewers and those numbers would be higher if nazuna wasn't live as well pandering to the same audience shylily is pandering to.

You guys are a dead organization that still has to bring up nux to feel proud of yourselves

>>29785626

Last Sunday nyanners got 7k viewers, mouse 7.5k viewers and vei like 5.5k viewers , shylily had 10.5k viewers and shxtou in his bday stream had 18k viewers, mouse nyanners and vei would always pull 10k plus viewers whenever they streamed. Vshojo has gone to shit after the nux drama and I am sure there was alot of fighting behind the scenes with the vshojo members for them to distance each other from themselves. Thus everyone blames that on Nux and why we still have threads about nux here so vshojo fans have somehing to cope about here.

>>29786109
Doesn't Nyanners stream, like, once a month these days for condom money?

>>29785626
>>29786109
>nuxfags coping this hard

>>29786422
Numbers don't lie, vshojo has gone to shit and vshojofags just keep making threads here to make nux the whipping boy who has already moved on making videos and stream podcasts while so e here haven't moved on like they miss nux making vidoes of the girls.

>>29786792
>moved on
>INSANE DOXXING DRAMA DOXXING SWATTING
>MY VTUBER DRAMA
>always bringing up how he "almost got canceled"
>muh numbers

Cope

>>29787370
Thanks for clicking to his click bait videos I guess?

Soda, zen and mouse are live who do I watch?

>>29788989
Zen since he/she didn't dogpile on Nux and actually acts his/her age

>>29781600
i said this on another thread, a lot of what she talks about with her illness doesnt add up, i might just not watch enough of her (only watches odd clips) but she contradicts herself in them clips. how can she be poor before streaming but somehow still have "thousands for plasma a month" maybe im clueless or missing something, maybe even reaching. i dont like doubting illnesses on the internet, but faking illness has been done before

>>29790293
>how can she be poor before streaming but somehow still have "thousands for plasma a month"
Insurance

>>29790293
debt lol, people can be poor due to medical bills and live in a shithole to compensate for the costs

>vshojo bigger than ever
>that other guy is a literal who

Nux bad

>>29763063
Context is that Nux made a video about a phishing attempt involving a person impersonating Vshojo which Vshojo management refused to publicise or warn people about. Nux got approval from Vshojo's management to release the video, then after he released it the girls all suddenly started saying he was told not to release the video. It turned out that Vshojo's incompetent management told the girls that they asked him not to release the video, despite never actually doing that. Nux got attacked by Vshojo's fanbase, half the Vshojo girls never apologised to him for throwing him under the bus, and everyone got to see that Vshojo's management is a joke.
Also Nux's video was dramatised bullshit but that's kind of beside the point.

There was a more detailed rundown made after this one but I can't find it.

>>29765050
Those feet are Street Fighter huge.