/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2817267
No EN vtubers that's for sure

Oof. Watame needs therapy.

>>2817267
Therapy sheep...

>>2817267
Watame seems like a pretty chill vtuber though, how did she end up like this?

Polka...

>>2817308
Mori...

>>2817421
You pretty much need to be one of us to understand how much Watamates depend on her and vice versa

>>2817682
Kek, the Calli avatar is disposable. She's just using it to feed the DD persona which she'd rather focus on than this shit

>>2817267
Watame is a literal therapy sheep.

That's something. Therapist Vtubers.

This is also why her fanbase is the most schizo of them all, because they are literal,unironic, schizos.

>>2817362
>>2817742
>therapist vtuber
Ina BTFO
https://streamable.com/dtr0t8

>>2817720
you will never be japanese

>>2817920
>won't date takos for v-day
>not your therapist
based Ina saviorfagging takos' mental health

>>2817920
>Ina telling us that streamers aren't therapists.
Ina giving the best therapeutic advice from a streamer yet.

>>2817920
Ina should just say she doesn't like to give life advice. Turning it into a broad thing implies a lot about the audience and other streamers that's just not true.

>>2817920
INA BTFO

>>2817920
How will takos ever recover?

>>2817742
>>2817920
Both are probably correct given appropriate context.

You shouldn't be taking life advice from a stinky neet who sits in her room all day drawing, playing gacha, and eating spicy noodles.
But if that person spends hours everyday listening and talking to people, they will inevitably become skilled in that exact act.
Ina is the former, and doesn't do SC reading and doesn't chat directly with takos that often.
Watame spends hours and hours doing SC reading and chatting/discussing with her viewers.

It would be stranger if Watame didn't become skilled at exactly that.

>>2818984
Sorry to burst your bubble but talking to alot of people alot of the time doesn't make you a therapist. You need an education too.

>>2818984
She might improve at making you feel better, but that doesn't mean she's addressing the underlying issue. That's just creating dependence.

>>2819057
You literally don't. Professional therapists are a joke.

>>2819214
i agree to an extent but some of them really know their stuff

>>2819214
>schizo unironically believes this

>>2819214
Some yes some no. If they don't have at least a Masters I'm outta there.

>>2818984
so this is where sheep shaggers get their bad reputation

>>2817267
Ollie, she helps them with their cuck fantasies.

>>2818593
Ina gives life advice all the time, that's not therapy. Are you seriously defending
>VTUBER MY LIFE SUCKS I THINK ABOUT ROPING ALL THE TIME MY GREAT UNCLE ARCHIE JUST BIT THE DUST LET'S GOOOOO
supers?

>>2819300
Me being wrongly diagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age has no bearing on the facts. Fuck you.

>>2819540
>wrongly diagnosed with schizophrenia
>wrongly
go back to /jp/ schizo

>>2819517
If you're that upset by other humans then go watch a non-interactive medium. 99% of youtube has no superchats enjoy yourself.

>>2819057
Sometimes all a therapist needs to do is give perspective to someone, and someone who spends a lot of time hearing stories and discussing them really is """qualified""" to do that.
Are they a therapist? No. But might they be able to help a bit? Sure.

It's not like anyone is superchatting expecting real therapy other than an actual psycho.

>>2819909
>It's not like anyone is superchatting expecting real therapy other than an actual psycho.
Oh I hope you're right.... I really do.

>>2817267
Watame is too good for this world

>>2819895
>WATAME ANON IS BULLYING ME AGAIN I HAVE ONE FOOT ON THE STOOL PLEASE TALK ME DOOOOOOWN

>>2819320
There's no correlation between length of education and skill, arguably the longer they spend at the books the less they're spending in the field actually learning their craft. I agree that a education can be helpful but a masters seems like a huge investment of time when that could be better spent actually plying the skill

It was right in front of my face all this time but I never realized until reading this thread.
The relationship between listeners and vtubers like Watame, Polka and just about the majority of them is like the relationship between Satou and Misaki, except the girl arrived through the Internet. Both are pretty fucked up and we ended up relying on each other for support. It's not really love per se, it's codependency.

>>2820097
look that garbage anime again
>It's not really love per se, it's codependency.
imagine taking so long to figure out such a simple on the surface thing

>>2819540
If you ended in a dependent relationship with an Internet personality then they probably weren't wrong.

>>2817545
A tragedy in the making lmao.

>>2818984
Ina is the opposite of a neet, maybe she used to be. A shut-in might be more accurate.

>>2819057
You wouldn’t really choose a normie who payed for a qualification and is just doing their 9-5 job, over somebody who actually cares and interacts with hundreds of thousands of people would you anon?

>>2820080
>watame is trying her best and you are too. even if you think there's no hope we can keep trying together.

>>2819214
this is one of the most TAKE YOUR MEDS posts ever

>>2817267
It's 5am JP time and she's STILL reading super chats. Bless her.

>>2820087
The thing with the masters is because the bachelors degree therapists I have been to couldn't understand what I was saying.

>>2820362
>implying sheep gives a fuck about you and you're not just her emotional vent

>>2820450
good for you chief, I'm yet to find a therapist that takes me seriously, at least with Watame I can sit with the rest of the Watamates and just be comfy for a bit

>>2817995
Unironically this. Ina draws a clear line between her and takodachis because she cares. Being in a parasocial codependent relationship is only a temporary and unhealthy solution to your life's problems.

>>2820669
50% of marriages end in divorce so at leas half (because there are even more unhappy marriages that don't divorce for various reasons) of all long-term relationships are temporary and unhealthy solutions to your life's problems too.

>>2820476
Watame loves you and there is nothing you can do about it

>>2820765
Implying that people get into relationships because they have deep-seated issues in their lives. That may be true for a select number of people but it certainly isn't the case for the majority, as long as marriage remains a societal norm.

>>2820969
It doesn't really matter why they get into relationships when over half of them are miserable.

It's remarkable to me how some of you don't get this.

Yagoo's dream was never a meme.

Japan had an entire lost generation of people (mostly men - but then women as a result of Japan's strong monogamy correlary), who were largely left to rot and fend for themselves (Yagoo's generation btw - he was just one of the one's who 'made it'). Yagoo sees the same thing happening again, but this time on a global scale. He understands that idol culture (which is unique to Japan) can be used to provide people who have been abandoned by society an emphatic voice and sought to use his tech to spread that through the world. That's why he hires these slightly broken people - because such cracks are what develop a person's ability to emphathise with others.

It's not about therapy (insofar as therapy is about healing): They represent a release from the 'normie' paradigm and allow you a sanctuary to exist in with others of like mind who actually value you, because they're capable of seeing you as a human. The fact that Yagoo is an ideologist should be obvious from the way he champions Holostars (which provides the same for females - which have the same problem albeit only in Japan currently).

It's not that hard to understand and it's not purityfagism. It's the literal stated goal of Hololive. Some of you self-hating fucks just won't admit it - because you can't bring yourself to believe that it isn't just for money or for a career jump. It's for people for whom "therapy" doesn't even apply and who are invisible to the world. It's suppose to give you something to aspire to: to encourage you to better yourself. Even if it means not necking yourself because you want to watch your oshi for one more day. It's not a solution, but it's medication to sustain you whlist you sort yourself out.

>>2821100
Ah, so it's meds while you wait for your real meds to arrive in the mail. naruhodo

>>2819540
Therapists don't diagnose you, they say what they think you might be and a REAL doctor diagnoses you

>>2817267
bros help me finish my next superchat to Watame

>$1.00
>Watame, recently i've ____

>>2821308
been furiously masturbating to your doujins please say "my hips are moving on their own"

>>2821308
fucked a sheep

>>2821100
But I am Pagliacci.

>>2817545
Gross

>>2821429

>>2820821
Ok but this is literally what Christians say about Jesus

>>2817545
>escapism for the viewer turns into escapism for the artist too
>both illusions shattered at the same moment by actually engaging with it
If these weren't real people this would make for an incredibly depressing manga storyline

>>2821582
Did he stutter?

>>2817267
i'm just imagining yagoo leading watame away with a bolt gun in hand

>>2821100
>the world is in such a state that one of the most lucrative new careers is just pretending to be a consistently nice person

>>2821899
I dont have a joker image saved so heres this sentence.

>>2821899
Customer Service Rep has been a thing for decades.

>>2821899
>pretending

>>2821582
Exactly my child

>>2821899
Maybe it's a good thing? It means people see value in someone being a nice person, fake or not.

SAVIORCHADS, keep up the good work

You can save them
You can save all of them

>>2822343
based

>me posting another lost sub-20 live viewer JP indie on /vt/

We can do it, Saviorkings. We can save all of them

>>2822424
>posting vtubers on a vtuber board is saviorfagging
epic

I don't care retards, I don't fucking care.
Let me be miserable

>>2821899
christ that's bleak
or maybe it isn't, i don't think people in the past were any less miserable
maybe someone shellshocked in WW1 who's looking down from heaven would wish vtubers were there in his days so he wouldn't have drunk himself to death

>>2819320
Reddit-sama this place has been great since you joined us arigatou gozaimasu for your contributions

>>2823270
The world has been miserable and cruel since we first were able to imagine a better one. Read some old books and you'll be surprised at how old your feelings are. That's not to say the present isn't bad, it's horrible. But just in new ways. There are perks, but just as many downsides. The only way I'm certain we're better off than our ancestors is with medicine. It's nice to not die of Giardia, of course that's only in this part of the world. I'm sure some Bangladeshi peasant is dying of preventable illness as we speak.

>>2821308
>Watame, recently i've ____
been eating a lot of beans and cabbage, and am planning to shit into Kiara's mouth on my trip to Australia, do you have any advice on how to approach this, like from what angle, do I do it in a horizontal fashion blasting shit all over her face, or do I do it vertically and let gravity do its thing. Please help me find the ideal way to approach this problem.

>>2817267
>visit watame’s stream
>look at the superchats
>its all people who’ve lost everything and rely on the sheep to stay sane
should I be the one to break the news to op?

>>2821100
Recently I’ve seen japanese women act the way holo fans do with the stars... I think you might be onto something here.

>>2824415
lmao why go that far, people in america die from preventable shit all the time

6 or more straight hours reading supers leads me to believe she actually gives a shit and I don't even watch her.

>>2826397
She's my oshi and honestly I'm a bit worried that she cares way too much to an unhealthy degree

>>2821899
Hostesses have existed for a long time (ones that were just there to give you literal GFE and female attention, not prostitutes), maybe vtubers are a modern form of that need being met

>>2821899
>most lucrative new careers is just pretending to be a consistently nice person
it's not a new career, it's variation of centuries old careers

>>2821582
>implying Watame isn’t the one true prophet

>>2826397
6 hours? Jesas. No hate to the sheep, but something's gotta be wrong with you mentally to do that.

Despite being mentally ill Matsuri, Noel, and Rushia aren't that invested in their fans. I think this is a good thing.

>>2826397
>>2826688
>Does streams from night to sunrise often
>Spend half gaming the other half reading sc and chatting
>repeats this cycle the following night
Sheepbros you better be taking responsibility, you're all she's got now.

>>2826704
>Matsuri
>Will remember the people who donate to her
>Actually goes through their TL's to see what they say about her
But she's smart enough to not get too close because of her menhera ways. She's like a porcupine or a hedgehog.

>>2826249
What do you mean exactly?

>>2826927
>said it's okay to masturbate to her
>says she dreams about marrying and kissing fans
I wish she was keeping her distance better. She's better off disliking her fans like she used to. The second she falls into the trap is the day she never leaves it and I worry she won't stay smart.

>>2826688
7 hours of Superchat/fan interactions doesn't seem too bad for the rare stream.

>>2826832
Watame should at least have a good support network already through the Holohouse.

>>2827467
>>said it's okay to masturbate to her
Is there a clip? I'm not surprised she'd say that, but I haven't seen it.

>>2827467
Matsuri is a gachikoi. Becoming heavily involved with her chat would be an upgrade for her.

>tfw matsuri and watame love me

>>2819057
>>2819300
>Imagine believing in Jewish scams.

>>2819214
PLEASE take your fucking medicine

How do I know which one is fake or real sheep poster?

>>2817267
my heart... I just hope she's happy and doesn't feel too burdened by this role she's taken upon herself

>>2817545
Heard joke once: Chuuba goes to doctor. Says she's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says she feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Polka is in town tonight. Go and see her. That should pick you up." Chuuba bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am Polka."

>>2821582
You are finally seeing the truth, watame and jesus love you.

>>2817267
Delta and her fans is magical. It's like Polka but with the added reinforcement that Delta legitimately considers her fans her savior who rescued her when the whole world turned on her. She once described her ideal boyfriend and relationship and she was literally describing her and her fans. She was doing karaoke with her friebd one time and her friend jojed about her fans being Delta's ATM and Delta got legitimately upset and told her not to talk about her fans like they that are nice people who are special to her.

She also follows all of her fans so she knows what they are posting. Did I mention her fans telling her that they love her makes her cry. She literally does Zatsudans that sound more like a girl talking to her boyfriend about her week.

HUG THE MESUGAKI!
DELUTAYA DAISUKI!

>>2822424
Never enough. We can never save enough.

>>2817545
Pagliacci...

>>2817920
They don't have therapy where Ina comes from. Not kidding. 10th highest suicide rate in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_health_in_South_Korea

>>2831121
Only those with the strongest mental survive. Based Ina literally cannot comprehend the minds of depressed weaklings who want to commit suicide, especially those who supachat about it.

>>2831121
>where Ina comes from
that's likely to be Canada
given how good her English is and how her accent sounds, she's probably moved there relatively early

>>2831121
Japan is the same. Mental health is pretty much limited to psych meds. Psychotherapy isn't covered by insurance and is not commonly sought out. By and large mental illness in japan is still perceived as selfishness or weakness on the part of the sufferer. If you can't patch it up with drugs you're just being an asshole.

>>2820765
isnt that just in the U.S.? its all the plastic and pesticide

>>2833338
I don't know the stats for other places, but given I live in the US it means that statistically I've probably got a better chance of being happy in a parasocial relationship with a 2d anime girl. Even if I decided to dump some absurd akasupas I'd still end up better off than dudes that get divorced, have half their assets taken, and forced into paying alimony for an undefined period of time.

>>2817421
Watame had a hard life and shared some information about it.
So her fans shared information about their hard life with her.
She also seems to get invested and cry a lot.

>>2833568
Is it true that most U.S. Americans cannot move to another country or even own a house? I guess that's everywhere, now that I think about it.

>>2817545
Polka is always interesting to me. She shows a lot of passion, depression, aloofness and seriousness and I can't really tell which is being forced at a given time.
I think she said she sang hotblooded songs when she was sad somewhere.
https://streamable.com/n0t24l

>>2833767
That's mostly only true for idiots that live in the city. I own my own house.

>>2820969
Yeah, because the absolute state of marriage in 2021 is so fucking healthy.

>>2820097
Imagine being such a no party, let the anon have his moment

>>2833844
Some people have jobs in said cities and don't want to commute 2 hours.

>>2834150
Yeah, I get it. It's an endless cycle. I'll be over here in my house, alone, except when my oshi comes to visit by streaming.

>>2820969
>people don't marry out of love
Cynical faggot

>>2817545
What is this from? A member stream?

>>2834782
Yep, I don't remember which one though.

>>2817920
>Ina of the mountain what is your wisdom

>>2834847
Can we post member stream stuff? And to add on to that, is it ok to sub them?

>>2822388
niggas was asking for this edit in the watame thread

>>2817545
>all girls are messed up inside like this
females not even once

>>2834847
https://youtu.be/8W3MJL7W4FE
It's the only one with the comments disabled so I'm guessing it's the one since the other Asmr streams the comment with the translation it's nowhere to be found.

>>2819214
I recall someone I knew went to a therapist who literally printed out template degrees and diplomas and literally got away with it for over 20 years. Apparently he was really good at what he did.

>have stressful job and can lose tons of money in a month investing (I lost like 40k off my net worth in February and prior to the election, I lost 30k)
>used to work from home and watch CNBC and Yahoo Finance
>only have 2 or 3 hours of free time every day
>only sleep like 6 hours a day
>find my girls
>able to relax and focus on cute anime girls

What I gather from this thread is that all vtubers are mentally ill.
Not surprising

>>2830591
That's cute

>>2817742
This got me, watame is my oshi and I am a literal schizo who forgets to take meds

>>2817267
Watame confirmed as Japanese Nanny McPhee

>>2835013
They should be saved for archival purposes if they ever go dead, but best not to share member streams until then if you actually care about the vtuber.

>>2822278
>>2830088
>The lamb of god
At last I finally see

>>2817972
This. Incredible mental fortitude from her. I can't imagine putting on the mask of a cultist and NOT asking to be worshipped.

>>2826704
Is Rushia mentally ill?

>>2830897
kek

>>2817545
Polka sporadically has tier 2 and 3 memberships for people to choose. However, these options quickly disappear, leaving only a handful of people choosing these membership options each time. If you do choose the tier 2 or 3 memberships, Polka personally starts a conversation with you. For those who are not of the strongest minds, they eventually end up buying a ticket to Japan to meet Polka in person. Things may seem fine at first and you may even think the conversation is good enough for you to ask Polka out, but this is when things go south. According to eye witnesses, people who talk with Polka for more than a few minutes eventually falls into a daze and mindlessly follows Polka back home. Some of these eye witnesses tried to intervene, but apparently, the victim aggressively rejects any help and clings onto Polka even more. According to Nene herself in a membership stream, we can assume that the people Polka lured ends up in restrained in some sort of room containing other victims. Nene was apparently locked in a sprawling dungeon with others according to her descriptions, but her stuttering and murmuring makes it hard to be any more clear. One of the descriptions that Nene clearly emphasized was the overwhelming, intolerable stench in Polka's dungeon. The Polka that Nene also met at this point became, as she described it, "SUPER ULTRA HYPER DELUXE GALAXY DERANGED." Nene lost her cohesion shortly after, incoherently wailing about what happened to her while she was in that dungeon. As for what Nene said, I'd rather not say, as some of the stuff seems a little to much for even 4chan of all places. I'll just say that Polka becomes really, really sadistic in that dungeon of hers. Weirdly enough, Nene acted normally after this membership stream. A little too normally, in fact. As for what happens to the victims after this, we don't know the exact details. We know Nene seemed to be a little too fine after this encounter, but it seems that most people have it worse off. Japanese broadcasters have reported people with missing body parts and multiple lacerations running naked across Japan as if they were escaping from something. I'm going to say that these events were connected with Polka as one broadcaster also showed what seemed to be a person with "animal ears in a clown costume" running to the escapee in one instance. Japanese policemen recovering these people have observed how they consistently did not have the ability to speak either due to mental instability or their vocal cords being physically ripped out. A majority of these people also perish shortly after being recovered, and autopsies seem to be fruitless in determining specifically how they obtained the conditions to cause their demise. Most reports just end determining their demise from their conditions as of being rescued. For the very few that live, medical experts noted that their remaining body parts recover fine despite their horrid conditions. Eventually though, they leave the hospital without anyone noticing. As for where they leave to, eyewitness reports indicated dazed hospital patients all converging to a general direction, but the exact location isn't known yet as they disappear after some time. So, take this story as caution. Whatever you do, do not take Polka's tier 2 and 3 memberships when they become available, and DO NOT INTERACT WITH POLKA IF YOU DO BECOME OF HER TIER 2 OR 3 MEMBERS.

>>2830088
Amen.

>>2840925
God, I wish my oshi would steal me away to torture me with her own hands.

>>2840925
I will not read all this.

Jezus fucking christ how hard is it to just put on a stream in the background and not get involved in all this creepy weird parasocial relationship shit.
Holy shit get a life.

Is it because I

Didn't

Space

It

Like

This

And randomly insert 'le' every couple of words, redditard?

>>2817267
Watame sure has been a Discord mod before, hasn’t she?

>>2821100
I want to believe

>>2842129
>>2842144
Go back

>>2842498
To where, 4chan? The 4chan I want to go back to doesn't exist anymore, it died in 2008. So I'm stuck here with dumbfucks like you, or rather you're stuck with me.

"Go to tor!" It's dead
"Go to 7" it's dying and slow
"Go to 8" it's dead
"Go to 420" DUDE WEED LMAO
"Go to the offshoots" I do, but they're kinda dead
"Go to reddit" kill yourself, I'd rather use funnyjunk.

>>2817267
Damn she really did develop a savior complex because of the dudes that would SC saying how her voice saved them from the blink of suicide.
This sucks, I hope she gets over it.

>give money to woman
>woman pays attention to you
>you form bond with the woman
>woman forms bond with you
>until she finds someone richer
Anyone using parasocial in this thread is a retard. This is just regular cancerous relationships.

>>2842498
Make me

>>2817545
Th-this is a bit, right? I don't watch Polka often, but she's a clown so this is her literally clowning around, r-right?

>>2821308
please give her a break.

>>2846971
I think she's right that most people feel this way. Entertainment is always a codependent relationship because you can't entertain anyone if no one's watching. You're more reliant on fans than they are on you.

>>2818984
>stinky neet
I want to smell Watame

>>2834433
well i guess love wasn't much to begin with then, as is seen.

>>2821308
Learned how to make armpit farts! isn't that funny?

>>2846971
If you have listened to her Member Asmr you would know that she is serious about this.

>>2842129
Did you get lost on your way to /b/?

>>2842553
leave.

>>2820315
>opposite of a neet
In education, employment, AND training? Wow!

>>2819214
The people replying to you have never interacted with mental healthcare professionals in their life and it really shows.
Anyone that has had to suffer a psychologist or a psychiatrist know the former can ONLY provide "talk therapy" which most of the time wont work (because its just the 'lets talk it out' approach to mental illness), and the latter are overzealous and paid-for doctors that get a commission for every patient they can get to purchase X drug.
"Take your meds" and "Therapists are a joke" are not conflicting statements.

>>2831121
>Where Ina comes from.
You're not wrong, but her accent implies she most likely left there early in her childhood.

>>2817545
Jesus Polka you're such a loser lmao get some friends

>>2840925
pretty based

>>2830641
>posting an image from the route where he gets over his savior complex

>>2819057
>You need an education too.
The therapists are mostly fucking scammers. Only the dumbest women decide to major this career because they can't get into any other college degree.
The difficult thing is to open yourself and talk about your issues, which therapists are good at it because you are paying them a fuck load of money per hour so you feel like doing that, or they talk to you about empty theories
And at the end of the session they just prescribe drugs and appoint the next session

>>2819214
based
I will NOT take my meds

>>2821100
based but
>ideologist
Pretty sure the word you meant to say there is idealist

>>2819214
Fucking Based.

>>2846971
The Clown laughs because he sees how utter ridiculous life is

>>2817421
The moment she graduates, all the mafiosos and other hardcore criminals watching her to keep sane will go into a frenzy.

>>2817421
High empathy is a double-edged sword.

>>2864702
I wouldn't be surprised if vtuber graduations were visible on global crine/mental health statistics.

>>2819214
True, but this doesn't mean chuuba therapists aren't even worse.

>>2866877
they are cuter though

>>2864702
I know I will

>>2835847
>Delta's tweets to her fans after her stream today
>for those who don't know up until recently Delta's view on life was that she was born to suffer and only bad things will ever happen her

I'm going to do my best, and I hope you all do too.
Just being alive is great!

I'm glad I didn't give up then, and I'm glad I'm alive.
At any rate, I want to repay the many people who reached out to me when I was at rock bottom.

>>2830591
Advanced level of cuckoldry
>>2868034
>born to suffer
>on a first world country
Cry me a river

>>2817920
Wow what a bitch, no wonder takos are always in a bad mood.

>>2868844
Anon I am going to save you... Just you wait!

>>2820669
Who gives a fuck, life is complicated, lots of shit isn't helathy. You think are gonna get to old age as some perfect person.

>>2865100
Cry for their sorrows, punch walls to relieve their angers and be an even more unstable menhera

>>2820669
So what does that make Watame? A fucking BITCH?

>>2873267
It makes her someone who does more harm than good despite her good intentions. She's still a really kind girl though, don't get me wrong.

>>2873684
More harm than good, for definitions of "harm" and "good" created by a society that considers all affected as subhuman lost causes anyway.

Fuck fake sympathy. Fuck every single "mental health is sooo important!" virtue signaling piece of shit who immediately set out to destroy someone's life over minor internet disagreements. Fuck every single "metal health professional" whose actual job is to commit people against their will and prescribe unnecessary and dangerous medication for Big Pharma kickbacks. Fuck benzodiazepines, which are somehow still legal. And most importantly, fuck you.

If Watame genuinely cares about even a single person society despises, even in the most superficial capacity, she has done orders of magnitude more good than said society's enforcers.

>>2821100
I like this rrat, bittersweet as it may be

>>2874236

This thread is sad

>>2824415
We cured diseases but created new ones through our diet and sedentary isolated lives.

>>2820765
Those stats aren't entirely accurate you know
It's still not good, but the 50% is skewed by a relatively large minority of people who have had multiple divorces

>>2819214
dangerously based, I would rather listen to a /comfy/ sheep than being a test bunny to pharma through "psychiatrists/therapists" giving you "advice" which always leads to more medication.

>>2854124
nah, make me bro. also, I consider every joule of energy your brain spends on interacting with me as a victory.seethe more shizo

>>2856108
Based and life-long learning pilled

>>2864702
All I want is for her eventual graduation to be on good terms, as a means for her to pursue her own dreams where vtubing cannot take her further, with adequate fanfare and end on a high and hopeful note that one day we will hear her voice again. That's the least that she deserves.

>>2842553
Fuck off retard.
>OOOOohhoohoohhoooo 4chan is so bad browsing it is le torture!!11!!1
If you actually hated it you wouldn't be here.

>>2867180
Burn it all down, anon. Leave no one alive.

>>2875101
The meds have ruined us, made life without them impossible...

Can i please go without taking them for one day?

>>2817267
Wait... Fuck... This implies that one of the holos just quit, right? Was this Chammers??? Fuuuuck....

>>2888893
nah Watame just lets the codependence out a little sometimes

>>2888893
Fuck off retarded haaton

>>2879332

>>2890570
I will never take my meds.

>>2846971
Polka regularly has public streams where she gets really quiet and introspective and overly sentimental towards her fans.
It's really endearing but also depressing that she's so clingy, like she has no one else in her life to rely on but random simps on the internet.

>>2868994
Just because everyone will eventually die doesn't mean doing hard drugs and binge drinking aren't retarded.

>>2817545
she needs meds

>>2898822
Her chat is her meds.

This thread is the most entertaining one we've had on this board for a while.

>>2821899
It's not new at all. In ancient China and Japan there were already prostitutes that gets paid not to sleep but to converse with their client.
It's just the scale is radically different in this age

>>2846971
Find her asmrs. Hear how she thanks you and tells that she loves you about 20 times straight into your ear while on the verge of crying then starts kissing you on both "cheeks" non-stop. Then you'll realize she's actually insane and projects harder than any of us here. And I wouldn't have her any other way.

>>2856108
your propositional logic reps...

>>2817545
>i just want you to grab me tight
im gunna - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2867180
But Watame wouldn't want that.
You want to make her sad?

>>2910253
It would be tough to hold her in your arms.

>>2904351
A lot of actual modern day prostitutes admit that a good portion of their clients just pay them to talk to them and spend time with them.

>>2911375
You lack resolve!

>>2911375
All the more to love

>>2898822
literally what the fuck

>>2898822
meds posters are usually the ones that need meds the most

>>2904351
they still had to have sex when the guy got tired of complaining about his wife to them

>>2898822
we need an anime adaptation of this

>>2912888
Parasociality goes both ways and with something as personal and intimate as livestreaming you can easily catch the parasocial too. Common problem among Streamers and it probably afflicts half the talent at Hololive to some extent.

>>2916499
There are degrees.
Most of the chuubas who lean towards their chat being their friends.
A step above that are the chuubas who treat chat like siblings close but nothing deeper.
Then you have the chuubas who lean into the BFE they consider they play into chat being their boyfriend.

Finally you have the chuuba's who are ACTUALLY in love with their chat they have a close bond, the chuuba and the chat have revealed personal things about each other and trust each other deeply. This might be the most dangerous of the relationships. The interactions are generally wholesome if a bit concerning at times. The real issue is people trying to ruin it or hurt the chuuba these fans will go to extremes and use any means to protect the chuuba.

>>2817421
You make it sounds like it's a bad thing. The lengths she goes through to show how much she cares about her fans is primarily what makes her fun to watch.

If you want a chill vtuber, watch Ina or whatever.

>>2898822
>>2817421
>>2817267
God I need to take my meds after reading these, but I don't want to.. I just want to pretend they care...

>>2906281
>while on the verge of crying
Link?

>>2817421
mukkun abandoned her

>>2822424
Save yourself pls

I want to saviorfaggot Kiara and Aloe/Deluta and am making money to simp for them as hard as I can. They deserve it, they need it, I don't. Simple as.

>>2930410
Oh right Kiara is another one who goes saviorfag for her fans.

>>2929249
See >>2819512

>>2817545
i think you faggots are taking this out of the context of her doing asmr. She's roleplaying.

>>2829743

Have a (You) Anon, this was a legit clever and funny comment

>>2817545
me and my oshi are depressed together but at least she's the star of our depression circus

>>2835621
Stop day trading shitcoins and options

>>2933603
With her background and previous incidents I highly doubt this is part of some RP

>>2817995
>streamers aren't therapists
They're better therapist than a shitty therapist I'll tell you that for free, unlike one of them that will just say instead you need "this", you're making progress when you're not and to come back next week to giv moneis.
>>2819057
An education doesn't fix retarded. I know enough uni fuckers that came out as "professionals" in some serious fields that are just jackoffs LARPing as one so don't trust someone your mental health just by that, good therapy can be hard to find so be picky about it not just stick to the first fucko you find.

>>2821100
based rrat that i want to believe is true.

>>2946517
*first fucko you find like many people do. Don't do that.
/rant

I don't believe a therapist can actually do anything for you, unless you are a dumb fuck. You'll see through his fake empathy, you'll recognize his hollow, memorized phrases. He can't tell you anything you haven't considered before.
VTubers can't heal you either, but they can take away the pain and give you a reason to heal yourself.

>>2817267
>how many vtubers saviorfag for their fans?
When you have stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE1W7f1GjZ4
It's no surprise it becomes their motivation to keep vtubing and knowing that they are helping people by providing them with a place where they can forget about life for a while.

>>2947353
Im a crisis line responder, and you would be surprised how scared or cornered people are.
There are people who talk about how lonely they are yet they have a huge support network right around the corner, but is so jaded that they believe they will hate him if he talks about his emotions.
There are people who are so distrustful of others that they think everyone is just using them for whatever reason and refuse to seek any help.
I was really surprised to see how people consider these obvious options as not even options, despite it being totally possible.

Mental health was never a silver bullet to destroy the difficulty that the patient or caller is going through. It is about trying to find that slight bit of courage in the caller, to show them that there is that tiny bit of hope you still have inside of you.
Then again, its true that therapists are ridiculously overpayed compared to crisis line responding which is a free service

>>2950408
>I was really surprised to see how people consider these obvious options as not even options, despite it being totally possible.
Let me preface this by saying I genuinely appreciate what you do, and the spirit you bring to it. But asking why people don't do the "obvious" is like asking why someone in a sinking canoe doesn't do the "obvious" thing of getting the water out. The advice is appreciated, but the actual situation is not that simple.

Now, the answer isn't to just let the canoe continue filling with water, either. But the actual answer would require a complete, top down bottom up restructuring of society and social relationships between human beings. It's not going to happen, so the next best thing is taking the gun out of your mouth so you can watch people pretend to be anime characters on the internet.

>>2819214
It is sad how there are people out there that genuinely believe this but to be fair a lot of it is based on personal experience of having either a shit therapist or just don't liking the fact that their therapists told them their behaviour could be self-destructive

>>2856349
Or maybe they just had/know good therapists

>>2873267
A Girl with good intentions but that is doing more bad than good in the long run, she will not be able to be with her viewers forever it is doubtful if it will be for even a significant amount of time, creating this mutual co-dependence is toxic and retarded

>>2950928
Welfare is a bad idea, because it creates a dependent population and because people game the system. To solve the problem, you'd either need to reinvent our economic system or let a bunch of people starve to death.

"Welfare is bad in the long run" is true in comparison to actually solving the problem, but that is literally never going to happen so that comparison is a little disingenuous. And it is much better than the alternative. So too with Vtubers. They're bad in the long run only in comparison to society actually caring about mental health. It's never going to happen, so Vtubers are a better alternative to otherwise inevitable suicide.

>>2947353
>You'll see through his fake empathy, you'll recognize his hollow, memorized phrases.
Don't you think having this very clear and obvious biased kind of factors in on the idea that you consider Therapists to be useless?

>>2951144
That, or experience.

>>2951143
Welfare is good, but only when I'm the only one who gets it
When people of other skin colors get it instead if me, it's commie leftycuck shit.

>>2951144
I'm not biased, I'm blackpilled, which means I see things exactly as they are.

>>2947353
you're just too broken

>>2951377
Hatred is the only med I need.

>>2951413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqe6vz1xLFY

>>2817267
Holy shit superchats are actually cheaper than therapists

>>2817682
Mori doesn't give a fuck about you or her fans. she appreciates the support in helping her music get popular but that's about the extent of it. she does a good job of acting like she cares and milking the gfe autists though, so i commend her.

>>2947353

>>2846971
I thought Polka being a clingy yandere personality was a bit to draw in savior fags at first too. But after listening to her sobbing in bed with you AMR streams everything started to click. She's literally reverse saviorfagging on her fans in chat and using chat as her BFE.

>>2908390
Based mathanon

watame says:

take meeeeds

>>2947353
Isle 4 > The Rapists

>>2955803
But Watame, you are my meds.

>>2947353
Looks like i'm not alone with bad therapist experience.
Some meds though are good, but relying totally on them is disgusting.
>VTubers can't heal you either, but they can take away the pain and give you a reason to heal yourself.
Answer is pretty simple: you should create something, be it art, blogs, video or shitposts. It is also the reason why there is many broken chubas that in need to be saved.

>>2950408
Meds and therapy didn't stop me from being an incel 15 years ago.
For anyone reading this bullshit, it doesn't work. Bottle up your emotions instead of taking happy pills that rob you of your humanity.

>>2946517
I both agree and disagree with you. While anyone else willing to listen to you talk about your shit is usually better than a paid therapist the dynamics of vtubers make all of them inferior to just talking to someone. The only advantage vtubers have over therapists is that vtubers don't have power over you.

>>2962485
>>2950763
To Clarify, the main mantra of a crisis line responder is NOT GIVE ADVICE. That is counter productive, since we are just giving you some quick solution to patch up a big wound which the bandaid obviously will not cover up.

Our purpose as a crisis line responder is to provide the caller with empathy and validation, and show them that the shitty situation that they are currently in IS a shitty situation. Everybody else out there just tell you to suck it up, you can do it, you are not trying hard enough. Crisis line responders are here to tell them "Wow, that really is a shitty situation, it makes perfect sense that you feel that way"
This allow us as responders to spark a tiny bit of hope for the caller, that they still have someone out there, even a complete stranger, who is willing to listen to them and hear out their story. We use this tiny spark of hope to brainstorm the strategy that is RIGHT FOR THE CALLER (Can include: support group, talking with family or friends, find a coping strategy). The point is to just let the caller start moving forward again rather than get stuck in the spot because they are so overwhelmed with emotions and is feeling completely non-functional. If the caller uses Vtubers as a way of coping to keep them moving, go for it. I would call him based and encourage him. Maybe even talk about how to improve yourself so that they can break out of poverty and send superchat for their Oshi. (Obviously, we do not recommend falling into extreme parasocial relationship or superchatting yourself to bankruptcy which is definitely unhealthy.)

As long as you keep moving, there is hope. As long as there is hope, we can keep them from suicide. This is the main purpose of a crisis line responder: emergency venting tool for the caller to keep them from suicide.

Also, it is widely documented that "happy pills" have serious side effects depending on the person and they are not the silver bullet that the pharmacy tells you they are. You really have to work closely with your doctor to find the right one for you.

>>2964511
That sounds like shit. You are doing a disservice to the world. More suicides is better than less suicides.

>>2964618
If you are having suicidal thoughts or just wish to talk about your story, please call your local distress centre. We will always be here to listen to you.

>>2947605
Based sisterfucker.

>>2874236
holy based, fuck therapists and fuck society

>>2873684
>>2950928
Lmao if you tards think that therapists and psychologists are the end-all be-all of mental health let me introduce you to this chad and his trans boytoy, maybe if he hadn't fucking kys'ed over what he did he could give you all the therapy you need.

>>2965777
Triple sevens

Quick rundown, anon

>>2965257
Government shill detected. We all know suicide prevention centers are just traps to arrest anyone threatening to harm themselves or others and get a few days of hospital care out of taxpayers.

>>2966438
I honestly don't like calling the police but when caller scream at me that they are going to kill themselves by chugging a litre of hand sanitizer its not like I got a choice, do I?

>>2966265
Ok here is the quick rundown.
Don't look him up or read the wikipedia article on him or his most famous patient unless you want it to ruin your day, you been warned.

Okay I am going to say it. There is something up with Lamy. We all know about Delta and Polka. But can we talk about Lamy where she literally refers to her Morning streams as healing sessions for her fans and her ASMR... good lord Lamy's ASMR...

>>2966907
Are you saying that the entirety of this tumblr and twitter founded movement is based on the perversions of a single, legit, degenerate whose mistreatment of underaged boys drove them to suicide? How is this any different from, for example, Scientology?

>>2966907
oh hey I remember that SVU episode

>>2950408
>There are people who talk about how lonely they are yet they have a huge support network right around the corner, but is so jaded that they believe they will hate him if he talks about his emotions.
What is this direct assault on me?

>>2965257
Based and supportpilled

>>2966907
Read his article. Jesus christ he really was trying to make them become girls what a horribly based man. Also those pedo mental gymnastics at the end really cemented his character.

>>2965257
Why would I give you a warning? I'm going to take down as many nonwhites as I can before I die.

>>2968018
This entire thread is an assault one me

>>2967374
Not saying that but he was a science man so people would listen to him blindly and still do today, you know like Freud? That guy who said over a century ago you want to bang your mom, maybe he was wrong but I'll let you decide.

This is a good schizo thread, good job op

>>2950408
We're a generation of men raised by women. Men riddled with feminine insecurity because they didn't have a good father who supported them but also told them to man the fuck up and stop caring about gay shit when they needed to hear it. Then they make idiotic mistakes because they live their lives on the apathetic autopilot of the hedonist and then they just become more jaded by things they were never taught the strength to burden. And if you ever realize this truth and completely internalize it it pushes you to your absolute limits to reconstitute yourself as an actual god damn man rather than the worthless, weak, apathetic, loser sack of dogshit you were before. Most of these abortions of men would rather just use that truth as another reason to hate themselves rather than fix their own fundamental issues. Or they blame everything on their fathers and persist as they are, even though adults' failings become their own no matter who was the original cause.
>>2962485
Based. Never take the pharma nigger's fluoride pills. Society becomes perverted and unpalatable to you, and instead of fixing society they try to make you adjust your brain's chemistry to ignore how absolutely fucked it is and keep working your wage slave job. Only meds you need are if you're an actual schizophrenic or have an actual, persistent chemical imbalance, not if you have a father figure imbalance.

>>2970098
>>>/pol/

>>2970868
/pol/ is gay, I learned this from living. If you don't like what I said, it probably describes (You).

>>2970098
Nice, I watched Fight Club too!

>>2970098
Jokes on you, I was raised by my father and my head is all sorts of fucked up anyway.

>>2964511
Based, and thank you for your service.

>>2970098
what the fuck's the point if the end result still posts on fucking /vt/?

>>2817545
>>2898822
I FUCKING LOVE THIS MENHERA CLOWN

>>2826528
I wish we had hostesses in the west

I'm gonna post this here, because concernfagging to the actual Vtubers is shitty.

I'm concerned about these girls' mental and financial states once it all ends.
I hope they're all saving money, and not just blowing it all like FBK on Gacha
I hope they don't suffer shock from the sudden lack of attention.

>>2965777
Using Money as an example of an average therapist is like using dictators as examples of an average president, don't be purposely retarded dude, following the same logic lets just stop going to doctors altogether afterall people like Josef Mengele existed and were doctors too so obviously they are all pieces of human garbage

>>2967374
Not the entirety of it but definitely an important foundation of it, like the concept of Gender and its name were pretty much created by Money and the entire Reimer experiment was so he could prove it was true

Imagine if watame died. Hahaha...

>>2827253
w*men twitter (formerly tumblr) is half-seething, half trying to launch their own shitty attempt because they feel the HUGE hole in attention they get.

>>2967374
No. Transgender theory goes back to the 1930s in Germany. It could have flourished.

>>2989332
Some of them run their operation as a proper business, like Noel and Lamy. And others like Rushia don't spend anything at all.

>>2817267
mori's decently saviorfaggy
and you can't tell me otherwise

>>2955927
YOU ARE MY MEDS
AAAA ANO HI NO YUME

>>2819214
Unironically based. I've had several so-called professional therapists who just kiss your ass for 2 hours to make you feel good without making any progress. I've only ever had one good therapist and she cost 500$ an hour and she wasn't the kind of person who knew how to solve all of your problems. Made you understand your problems though.

Anyways, Sora is my oshi.

Never have I come across a thread that was in more dire need of medication than this one holy fuck

>>2989824
Money is an example of what therapists are capable of given their role in society.

>>2951413
>His name is not important