/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>29416997
>Swire
Holy based OP

>>29416867
>Theres something there
we'll see but my guess is that it will be the same ccv that they usually get since its the same audience that follows them and they wont get any new audience or boost from this elusive EU audience which i remind you has the lowest vtuber indie scene in the vtubing market

*YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY*
>109,388: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)
>86,404: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)
>74,478: Njisanji (Nijisanji)
>67,224: Lize (Nijisanji)
>45,967: Njisanji (Nijisanji)
>42,784: Pekora (Hololive)
>41,146: Miko (Hololive)
>34,698: Salome (Nijisanji)
>23,661: Gura (Hololive)
>22,976: Luna (Hololive)
>20,489: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,234: Sora (Hololive)
>16,627: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>14,943: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,228: Haachama (Hololive)
>10,522: Hal (Neo Porte)
>10,326: Kobo (Hololive)
>10,317: Okayu (Hololive)

>>29416692
Watame did a poll on overseas fans and asked people where they were from a couple days ago. Not the first time either. Stop being a retard.

>>29416980
She's a retard, she loves to debuff herself like Ame

>>29417070
>JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus
7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking
9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft
10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu
12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka
14) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 54,165 - Niji Koshien practice
15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live
19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice
20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice
21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,696 - New outfit reveal
22) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 90,186 - 3D debut
23) Luna (Hololive) - 52,218 - New outfit reveal
24) Okayu (Hololive) - 64,102 - 3D live
25) Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 - Debut stream
26) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 57,593 - Niji Koshien practice
27) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 109,388 - 600k subs celebration totsumachi

>PER COMPANY
13x: Hololive, Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Ibrahim, Kuzuha, Mayuzumi
1x: AZKi, Gwelu, Luna, Maimoto, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Okayu, Ren, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
131x: Hololive
67x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
23x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
14x: Kuzuha
13x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Nijisanji, Towa
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mayuzumi, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

The worst thing HomoEN did was trick HoloEN into trying to pander to the nonexistent EU audience. This is going to kill their numbers, just you watch, there's no one who will watch a stream in EU hours

>>29416997
Final /news/ roundup for 27-07-2022
>>29359673
Recent clips
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>>29345084
>>29345433
>>29345478

>>29416981
Believe it or not, Miku colorful stage is actually a buff game for most vtubers.
Even some Noctyx males got 6-7k with it because it has gacha.
Kobo's numbers are bad now because it's a bad time for ID.

>>29416902
Mutts are afraid that their primetime hours will be exposed as the shittiest ones.

>>29416980
Not the type of her game just like Holocure
If she keeps doing this she will keep reclining
Meanwhile Kaela keeps inclining because of Holobox

Oh Susan you wanted to recommend me something? No, thank you though.

>>29417158
Kiara already tried to pander to that market and it failed miserably
People just dont seem to realize that there is no viable market there for vtubers unless theyre doing fifa shit and even then youll be stuck in 3view territory at most

>>29411100
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>>29414753
every day the nijikeks keep shitting up the thread, and then they have the gall to wonder why this thread doesn't like nijisanji

>>29417178
>Kobo's numbers are bad now because it's a bad time for ID.
I thought it was sea time why is it a bad time for id?

>>29417250
Or.... Euros just don't like Kiara. It's not like she even streams in EU primetime anyways, she starts in JP time.

>>29416913
some indogfag earlier today said she got popular and thus gets the views she does because she got mostly popular with the ironic weeb semi-normalfag crowd so yeah you're probably right

>>29416980
>Why is she not joining ID project in MC?
With how big of an buff ID Minecraft is right now she would be getting like 20k+ on it and she is afraid of mogging the EN girls because she has too much respect for them and doesnt want to humiliate them. So she is letting the buff cooldown a bit

>>29417250
EUbros loves loli
Just look at Ina's consistent 10k EU numbers

>>29416997
Subs gained in July

・Niji EN male
Vox Akuma +122,000
Mysta Rias +106,000
Luca Kaneshiro +97,000
Shu Yamino +82,000
Ike Eveland +76,000

・Niji EN female
Selen Tatsuki +50,000
Pomu Rainpuff +42,000
Enna Alouette +42,000
Nina Kosaka +38,000
Millie Parfait +34,000

・Holo EN female
Gawr Gura +57,000
Tsukumo Sana +32,000
Mori Calliope +33,000
Ceres Fauna +26,000
Nanashi Mumei +25,000

・ HoloID

Kobo +327,000
Kaela +62,000
Zeta +59,000
Ollie +50,000
Moona +40,000

>>29417078
Hes also disregarding the fact that non JOPs dont type in chat unless they get a "Hey guys!" in their respective languages.

>>29417335
>JOPs dont type in chat
>in a JP stream
you retarded or something?

>>29417250
>Using Kiara as an example
You clearly don't know jack shit then, also let me know when she decides to change her streaming voice

nijiniggers truly are all the same no matter what platform they are posting on

>>29417300
It's 1:45 pm in indonesia right now.
Even JPs that stream earlier only stream this early on weekends.

>>29417378
Read nigga read

>>29417190
I too am having Al this nijishill push to me when I use my phone.
>clipfag
I watched the stream live but it’s 4 hrs long and most of it was them learning the game

>>29417378
Reading comprehension

>>29416997
*FINAL GAIJIN TALLY OF THE DAY*
>23,816: Gura (Hololive)
>17,099: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>10.396: Kobo (Hololive)
>9,161: Kaela (Hololive)
>8,979: Vox (Nijisanji)
>8,875: Fauna (Hololive)
>8,482: Ren (Nijisanji)
>8,140: Noir (Holostars)
>7,921: Luca (Nijisanji)
>7,882: Ina (Hololive)
>7,803: Moona (Hololive)
>7,272: Noir (Holostars)
>7,100: Maria (Nijisanji)
>6,923: Magni (Holostars)
>6,912: Kronii (Hololive)
>6,856: Mumei (Hololive)
>6,779: Ollie (Hololive)
>6,626: Kaela (Hololive)
>6,592: Kobo (Hololive)
>6,519: Regis (Holostars)
>6,197: Amelia (Hololive)
>6,135: Aia (Nijisanji)
>5,776: Nina (Nijisanji)
>5,620: Aster (Nijisanji)
>5,491: Amelia (Hololive)
>5,451: Scarle (Nijisanji)
>5,270: Alban (Nijisanji)
>5,022: Kyo (Nijisanji)

>GAIJIN GOLD SO FAR FOR JULY
1. Mumei (Hololive) - 18,378 (I'm on Observation Duty 5 w/Fauna)
2. Ina (Hololive) - 22,039 (Return Stream)
3. Luca (Nijisanji) - 26,367 (600k sub celebration unarchived karaoke)
4. Mumei (Hololive) - 22,338 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)
5. Kobo (Hololive) – 22,212 (Getting Over It)
6. Gura (Hololive) - 32,780 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)
7. Kiara (Hololive) - 36,856 (3D Birthday concert)
8. Gura (Hololive) - 19,070 (I am Fish)
9. Kobo (Hololive) – 12,130 (Rock Simulator)
10. Lily (Cloud Horizon) – 21,623 (Graduation ceremony)
11. IRyS (Hololive) - 23,882 (1st Anniversary Celebration)
12. Sana (Hololive) – 22,793 (Graduation announcement)
13. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 14,315 (Reviewing viewer dishes)
14. Mysta (Nijisanji) – 21,552 (Genshin Impact gacha)
15. Kobo (Hololive) – 14,834 (Golf It! w/Mori)
16. Kronii (Hololive) – 16,001 (Dark Deception)
17. Vox (Nijisanji) - 13,352 (RP ASMR)
18. Selen (Nijisanji) - 18,215 (Obsydia 1 year anniversary celebration)
19. Mumei (Hololive) - 25,551 (Anatomy review w/Calli and Sana)
20. Vox (Nijisanji) - 13,804 (The Sims 4 making Iluna House)
21. Mumei (Hololive) - 41,318 (Council & IRyS 3D debut)
22. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 13,707 (Comeback)
23. Magni (Holostars) - 43,574 (Debut)
24. Noir (Holostars) - 35,649 (Debut)
25. Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 (Debut)
26. Ren (Nijisanji) - 14,072 (Debut 2.0)
27. Gura (Hololive) - 23,816 (Rust)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Holopro - 17
Nijisanji – 9
Others - 1

>GOLD PER STREAMER
4x: Mumei
3x: Kobo, Mysta, Gura
2x: Vox, Ren
1x: Ina, Luca, Kiara, Lily, IRyS, Sana, Kronii, Selen; Magni, Noir

Don't worry Homobeggars, Bae/Ame/Mori collabs will save Tempiss.

>>29417378
bro don't tell me you missed the NON in non jop...

>>29417300
The "real" ID hololive chuubafans are dropping her for Kaela. Kobo will still have absurd numbers sometimes because she is part of the indo youtube box.

But if you ONLY count Hololive fans Kobo is pretty much head to head with Kobo

>>29417378
Read you stupid shit. READ

>>29417391
The Spacebattles vtuber thread is impressively obscure as a source. I did notice a guy constantly shilling muh chemistry there before.

>>29417422
Cover is too cheap to run an ad campaign huh.

>People shitting on the EU vtuber market
>check their indie scene
I mean the guy is not wrong, the eu vtuber indie scene is pretty fucking dead and thats usually a good indicator of how much a market wants vtubers
I mean hell even pre-kobo indo indie scene is more active than it and thats saying a lot

>>29417440
>SILVER PER COMPANY
Holopro - 18
Nijsanji - 8
Others - 0

>SILVER PER STREAMER
5x: Kobo
3x: Gura
2x: Vox, Luca, Mori, Baelz, Regis, Mysta
1x: Uki, Mumei, Amelia, IRyS, Kiara, Axel, Aster

>BRONZE PER COMPANY
Holopro - 20
Nijsanji - 7
Others – 0

>BRONZE PER STREAMER
4x: Ina, Kobo
3x: Mumei
2x: Amelia, Kronii, Luca
1x: Shu, Kiara, Fauna, Mori, Moona, Petra, Uki, Fulgur, Magni, Aia

>MEDAL COUNT
Mumei: 8 (4-1-3)
Kobo: 12 (3-5-4)
Gura: 6 (3-3-0)
Mysta: 5 (3-2-0)
Vox: 4 (2-2-0)
Ren: 2 (2-0-0)
Luca: 5 (1-2-2)
IRyS: 2 (1-1-0)
Kiara: 3 (1-1-1)
Ina: 5 (1-0-4)
Kronii: 3 (1-0-2)
Magni: 2 (1-0-1)
Lily: 1 (1-0-0)
Sana: 1 (1-0-0)
Selen: 1 (1-0-0)
Noir: 1 (1-0-0)
Mori: 3 (0-2-1)
Baelz: 2 (0-2-0)
Regis: 2 (0-2-0)
Amelia: 3 (0-1-2)
Uki: 2 (0-1-1)
Axel: 1 (0-1-0)
Aster: 1 (0-1-0)
Shu: 1 (0-0-1)
Fauna: 1 (0-0-1)
Moona: 1 (0-0-1)
Petra: 1 (0-0-1)
Fulgur: 1 (0-0-1)
Aia: 1 (0-0-1)

>>29417493
why would they need to

>>29417178
Rhythm game is a debuff for ID viewers.

Is Maria going to lose to Magni or Z?

>>29417546
Because Holostars EN are going to be 1-2k shitters in a few weeks and their star is probably barely going to crack 5k?

>>29417250
that just proves the EU market doesn't like female chuubas. If StarsEN can penetrate EU then it proves without a shadow of a doubt that EUfags are literal homos.

>>29417570
Who and who?

>>29417511
I don't know about the others but why would I bother when I can catch the JP girls during my time? And now that Nowa-oji is here I can unwind after work when he does his stream

>>29417570
I only know Marine sorry

>>29417591
Isnt that good for stars numbers? unless of course youre thinking that nijien is on par with stars now?

>>29417591
Who cares? That's bigger than the Niji Girls get on most days.

https://youtu.be/GuriQQOYq1U
What the fuck?

>>29417652
I don't think the nijis realise that wave 6 are currently losing to the Holostars they're making fun of despite having a bigger debut buff

>>29417591
That will depend on the Tempus and how they do, if I'm honest I doubt Cover would let Tempus die off on its own seeing the support they've gave to stars so far.

>Rosemi 5k
Inclining???

>>29417487
like I said, the entire nijiEN fanbase is /here/ and that's why you see the opinions that get expressed here pop up on all other platforms that nijisanji discussion is held. It's also how they get funny ideas about how /vt/ is the nexus of western vtuber discussion, because to nijifags it really is

OK I have to ask. Have ANY of Amelia's numbers been impacted in a significant way since she said improve yourself or is it all SEAnigger bullshit?

>>29417677
Is this the beginning of a new arc? The 'Planet Coaster' arc?

>Bae got 12k
I kneel to the box.

>>29417567
>Kobo's interview: "I want to expand the market, getting new fans while keeping the old one, and learn the trends from her senpais and fleshtubers"
>Also Kobo: Playing debuff game for ID viewers

>Scarle 60k views on today's VOD
>Magni 22k views on today's VOD
It's over

>>29417511
Even vietnam and malaysia has a bigger scene than EU
The "EU Audience" are just the regular holobox audience

>>29417726
Are you referring to her talking about Tempus?
Her numbers are the same as always.

>>29417726
No. She’s getting the same numbers she always did.

>>29417677
Fucking hell haachama you're about a year late

>>29417726
>Thinking /vt/ crap has influence on a Holo's viewership
The day that happens it's the day I'll truly believe that Hololive is dying

>>29417751
tourist-chama....

>>29417658
>That's bigger than most Nijis get everyday.

>>29411217
It's not an anomaly, that guy literally clips every single Gura song, but he can't into thumbnails for most of them and so they often don't have pulling power.
The ones where he DOES put a decent thumbnail naturally get better views.

>>29417727
what is so special about it?
other members have played this shit ages ago

>>29417633
So the EU audience is just the regular Holobox audience then
Streaming in EU would be a retarded move if thats the case since it wouldnt bring any new viewers to the table

>>29417570
I don't think comparing mid-tier numbers like this matters, but 5k for shit like Story of Seasons and Thief Simulator is not bad.

>>29417751
Magni has 32k on his vod
But Scarle has had pretty good Vodviews on her streams for her CCV

>>29417907
Neither are bad, but nijis are acting like one is horrible.

>>29417842
But anon the Mag meme came from here…..Your going to tell me the lowest Subbed one with the shittiest model was going to get the highest debut views without it?

>>29417726
I don't think her ccv is going to go down, but what about her membership numbers and SCs?

>>29417727
no she's actually in her failing and getting kicked out of college due to her vtubing activities arc which might make her go on another long break or graduate

>>29417726
hololive isn't nijisanji, they can piss of /vt/ as much as they want and it wouldn't amount to much more than a drop in the bucket

>>29417926
Scarle's views shows that she's getting a lot of tourists. That means more potential for a stable viewership
Say what you will, but cover not advertising Stars at all and niji going all out for wave 6 is going to make a massive difference in the long run. Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouth

>>29417856

>>29417124
SILVER
>1) 38,292: Salome (Nijisanji) Unpacking (Low energy)
>2) 64,120: Marine (Hololive) Holocure
>3) 70,134: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) *Niji event
>4) 32,929: Botan (Hololive) Holocure
>5) 49,897: Salome (Nijisanji) Rhythm Tengoku
>6) 51,071: Salome (Nijisanji) Idolm@ster Million Live
>7) 49,060: Noel (Hololive) NoePeko DQ11S gambling
>8) 35,848: Marine (Hololive) Zatsu
>9) 107,144: Salome (Nijisanji) 1st Utawaku
>10) 34,727: Toya (Nijisanji) Toya
>11) 59,594: Leos (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>12) 46,537: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak
>13) 59,914: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>14) 51,831: Pekora (Hololive) PeKorone Super Mario Bros
>15) 41,836: Leos (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>16) 63,495: Shikinagi Akira (Nijisanji) Debut stream
>17) 59,443: Marine (Hololive) Lui Marine Clubhouse 51
>18) 64,852: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>19) 45,802: Suisei (Hololive) miComet hololiveERROR
>20) 44,799: Pekora (Hololive) RUST
>21) 52,071: Marine (Hololive) Shuba Marine Collab
>22) 66,018: Matsuri (Hololive) Birthday 3D Live
>23) 49,766: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>24) 54,267: Ema (VSPO) New outfit reveal
>25) 79,772: Aster Arcadia (Nijisanji) Debut stream
>26) 50,654: Subaru (Hololive) Kurorekishi Senshuken
>27) 86,404: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) 600k Celebration Funeral stream


> PER COMPANY
14x: Nijisanji
12x: Hololive
1x: VSPO

> PER STREAMER
4x: Salome, Marine
3x: Pekora
2x: Leos, Lize
1x: Nijisanji, Botan, Noel, Toya, Hayato, Shikinagi Akira, Suisei, Matsuri, Ema, Aster Arcadia, Subaru, Mayuzumi

>>29417877
So what is it? Is there a market or not? Why did it change to "new viewers" all of a sudden?

>>29417751
Wow. Longer stream has more vod views. Who'd have guessed?

>>29417926
Wouldn't that be because of the subcount?

>>29417926
Cuz she has shit ton of tourist who only watched for a bit then move away. See her Likes much more than her peak CCV

>>29418001
>Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouth

>>29418001
Shut up, retard.

>>29417124
BRONZE
>1) 35,700: Todoroki Kyoko (Nijisanji) 3D Reveal
>2) 62,797: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) Graduation announcement
>3) 60,986: Yorumi Rena (Nijisanji) SMC 3rd Anniversary
>4) 29,741: Miko (Hololive) Minecraft
>5) 48,415: Marine (Hololive) Holocure
>6) 46,066: Subaru (Hololive) TowaShuba collab
>7) 36,803: Kiara (Hololive) 3D Birthday
>8) 32,445: Watame (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 collab
>9) 38,689: Mel (Hololive) Live2D 3.0 update 4/5
>10) 31,811: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak
>11) 45,810: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>12) 43,505: Maimoto (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>13) 29,476: Subaru (Hololive) Metal Slug 3
>14) 46,857: Korone (Hololive) PeKorone Super Mario Bros
>15) 36,702: Salome (Nijisanji) Ojiisan to asobou
>16) 62,906: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) VOLTACTION debut
>17) 50,249: Miko (Hololive) WWE2K22
>18) 48,385: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>19) 39,934: Salome (Nijisanji) Rhythm Tengoku
>20) 32,419: Salome (Nijisanji) 1.5million subscriber celebration
>21) 44,731: Sasaki (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>22) 58,070: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>23) 43,524: Magni (Holostars) Debut stream
>24) 50,902: Nui (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien
>25) 74,480: Aia Amare (Nijisanji) Debut stream
>26) 38,638: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak collab w/ Shion
>27) 74,478: Njisanji (Nijisanji) Kuzuha & Kanae & ROF-MAO Live free part


> PER COMPANY
15x: Nijisanji
12x: Hololive

> PER STREAMER
3x: Salome
2x: Subaru, Miko, Hayato, Pekora, Nijisanji
1x: Todoroki Kyoko, Mayuzumi, Yorumi Rena, Marine, Kiara, Watame, Mel, Lize, Maimoto, Korone, Sasaki, MAGni, Nui, Aia

>>29418001
Anon longer vods = more viewers

How long was the stream?

>>29418001
>Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouth
lol
lmao even

>>29417966
I mean Suipiss and rrat made it out of here too.
Doesn't mean shit like "If the girls collab with men, they're DOOMED" or "Mori collabing with TT is the final yab" retardation makes it to the general Hololive community.

>>29417966
I'll kneel on that one, but that only applies when /vt/ uses it's influence for good.

>>29418015
There are no viewers for the EU time slot because there is no EU audience. Anyone who watches streams in that time slot are just people from other places watching it late or early, it can never succeed as a time slot

>>29418001
>All out
What do you mean their debuts seem as equally advertised as the 2 previous ones

>>29418001
really anon?

>>29418015
no market since its the same people who will still watch them even outside eu prime hours

>>29417751
so this proves that nijis are sheep that would rather watch bottom tier shit scraping content right? according to nijikeks themselves

>>29418072
It took dozens of clips from JP during the onset of the vtubing boom to make Hololive so popular in the EN scene. The Stars boys do not have the luxury of entering a vacant market nor debuting during peak CCVID

Will Salome stream today?

>>29418015
That would mean there is no viable market there since its the same group of people who watches the streams regardless if its EU primetime or not

Holy shit last thread at least bother to read fucking live numbers wth is even the point of this place if people don't even bother to do that?!

>>29417422
And that's one of the ways Nijisanji farm vod views and why nijiniggers here are adamant vod view copers.
Vod views is a pay to win metric so it's not ideal for comparison with the other boxes. Only chinks prefer this over ccv.

>>29417749
to be fair it's a guerilla too. she has fall guys stream later, memb only

>>29417658
NijiEn has really declined huh

>>29417856
Any good 2-3view niji I should saviourfag?

>>29418197
Its a logical way of getting your name out there and getting views
If cover was smart they would do the exact same thing

>>29417702
The fact that Niji fans don't use NijiEN6 for troll posts against StarsEN shows how these new Nijis completely failed to meet expectations.

>>29418351
Yeah, iLuna didn't do as well as they expected

>>29418097
>>29418121
>>29418175
And you know this because? There's a large weeb community in EU, who's to say that they're not a viable market? There's Dokomi which showed interest in Holo, and France holds Japan Expo.

>>29418001
You're not wrong so idk why people think you're shitposting. More exposure = more chances at retaining tourists.
However, I think Tempus's positive reception will help them grow in the future too.

The initial numbers are higher than expected, but there's still a lot of Holofans who have not checked them out yet and potential "audience stealing" from NijiEN males when they aren't streaming.

>cover not advertising Stars at all
I don't think they would've helped.
StarsEN looked like a joke when they got revealed so I'm not sure if the ads would've been positively received. Clips of how funny Magni and Vesper are are much better promotional material than Niji-like ads.

>>29418256
tried to saviourfag them but some of them are worse than the 2 and 1views im currently saviourfagging i didnt unsub but i wont be watching them anymore

>>29418396
Scarle unfortunately has the worst gaming interest for streaming.

>>29417749
It's good that Kobo is ambitious enough unlike Hana who doomed her ID group.

>>29418383
>And you know this because?
It is common knowledge and common sense.

>There's a large weeb community in EU
No, there isn't. There is no one in the EU who watches Vtubers.

>who's to say that they're not a viable market?
The facts are that there is no demand for Vtubers in the EU, this is self evident by the complete lack of any EU fans

>There's Dokomi which showed interest in Holo
>France holds Japan Expo
All people from outside the EU, actual EU natives do not attend these events.

>>29418475
Doomed it how?

>>29418496
Well, they don't exist anymore, for one

>>29417546
I think it's a good idea. I don't think the entire anime community has been tapped yet. Traditional ads can be helpful.

>>29418351
ILuna?
More like Lunaito's buthole

>>29418383
>And you know this because?
because their indie vtuber market is dead? doesnt matter if you have a large weeb community if those weebs dont want to watch vtubers or are already watching hololive even if its not eu primetime hours then a shift to eu primetime is useless since you can get the same audience outside of it

>>29418512
You were implying that she was directly responsible for that

>>29418448
Yeah I mean, her main content is going VN type games so it'll be hard to retain them, but it is an objective fact that more exposure gives more likelihood of retention and iLUMA had much bigger debuts than Tempus.
We're actually going to be in bizarro world in a few months where Tempus will have competitive CCV with iLUMA, but iLUMA will have much higher subcounts.

>>29418496
She was the most successful of them, the only one who qualified for 3D and she not only turned it down but deliberately fucked her numbers to the point she went from close with pre Kobo HoloID to a 3 digit streamer

>>29417751
> compare to HoloEN
> lose
> compare to HoloID
> lose
> compare to StarsEN
> lose
at this rate NijiEN will only have StarsJP to compare themselves to.
and they might lose even that soon

>>29418496
If she accepted her 3D model without being some moralist "i won't until everyone can get it together" she probably could have given the exposure the rest needed for that to even be a possibility

Interesting image I spotted on Reddit, I'm suprised the MC streams are so close to eachother, also Ame and Ina literally having the same amount of ER streams.

>>29418592
>>29418571
Lmao retard move

>>29418495
>No, there isn't. There is no one in the EU who watches Vtubers.
>The facts are that there is no demand for Vtubers in the EU, this is self evident by the complete lack of any EU fans
And do you have anything to back up your claims?

>All people from outside the EU, actual EU natives do not attend these events.
Oh shit, didn't know that those people who attended Dokomi weren't germans, Japan Expo in France must be a lie and all those manga sales are doctored numbers

>>29417856
Literal 2 views kek.
As much as we hate Anycolor for being a black company, we really can't fault them for not supporting all their talents. Making merch for these non-performers just ain't profitable.

>>29418383
I mean if you check the vtubing scene in EU that huge weeb community that your are talking about doesnt translate well to vtubers
Reason why niji and hololive expanded into indo in the first place was because they had an active vtuber market same with niji expanding into kr. Their most ambitious project NijiIN failed because there was no thriving market in IN which has an almost identical scene in EU

>>29418541
Well yes, she was the breakout hit of nijiID the same way Coco and Pikamee was, and she squandered it all away because she "doesn't want to be in the spotlight", right down to refusing a 3d model because she wants the entire branch to get it at the same time. As a result of that the NijiID branch continued to languish in obscurity and she lost any momentum that she had.
Fast forward to 2022 and the NijiID branch only exists because nijisanji doesn't want to deal with the bad PR of firing them all. All this could be prevented if Hana had the actual ovaries to seize the moment when it presented itself instead of shying away from it

>>29418256
If you spend any amount of time in those streams you will understand why they have those numbers.

It's been a while since i have seen numbers

>>29418759
>King of CCV of nijien lost to fucking Moriiiiiiiii
AAAAAAAA

Pre-primetime /news/ update for 28-07-2022 (all times are in JST)
> Suisei and Daisuke Shinozawa(NHK) will be the MCs for NHK radio's "VTuber Radio" program on August 12th at 11pm. Hizuki Yui from Neo Porte will be appearing as a guest (https://twitter.com/yui_hizuki/status/1552219743121117184).).
> "Animate" Cafe collabs again with NijiEN (3rd to 30th August) (https://twitter.com/animate_cafe/status/1552489037591900160).). Collab food menu and limited run merch released.
> Youtube Premium JP Ad includes Aqua's original song "Aquairo Palette" (https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1552474022239240194).).
> New NijiEN beach themed voice pack "Ocean Breeze" released (https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1552473922267803648).).
> Laplus and Shion Apex Legends Mobile sponsored stream at 7pm (https://youtu.be/as64HN0bnus).).
> Tokino Sora new hairstyle reveal at 9pm (https://youtu.be/ck18r0OBBIM).).
> Mayuzumi Kai from Nijisanji graduating today (no frame yet).

Previous : >>29359673

Since this thread is currently actually doing something other than shit itself, I may as well continue to focus the discussion on the EU dilemma. To illustrate, I will provide you with the following image and help you understand what the EU problem is... alignment.
>too late for Asians to serve reliably without fucking over their home market
>too early for Americans to serve reliably without taking time from their daily activities offline
Under these circumstances, you need talent that can explicitly work on these hours, but Cover seems unable to find talent that is willing to do so either because they don't apply or they get drowned out by the horse from everywhere else. There is also the possibility that they do find the talent, but they are unwilling to make the choice of recruiting because the numbers just don't add up in their eyes.

Remember, they do have demographic data straight from YouTube so they should know how much market interest there is for EU chuubas to assess viability. They also have the one EU chuuba that has a... less than stellar record trying to court the market (even if she is being a complete retard about it).

>>29418669
Your point would be better made if you weren't so absurdly hyperbolic about it.

>>29418607
I'm surprised Ina had 15 MHR streams wtf.
She did that many?

>>29418475
>ambitious
only on her mouth, she keeps debuffing now

>>29418829
>Suisei and Daisuke Shinozawa(NHK) will be the MCs for NHK radio's "VTuber Radio" program on August 12th at 11pm. Hizuki Yui from Neo Porte will be appearing as a guest
Is this permanent or one-time only?

>>29418525
>because their indie vtuber market is dead? doesnt matter if you have a large weeb community if those weebs dont want to watch vtubers
These indie vtubers are going to compete with the JP market which are viable in their timezone? And maybe there hasn't been really a vtuber who was able to capture the EU market?

>are already watching hololive even if its not eu primetime hours
So what is it then? Is there an audience who would watch them in those timeslots or not?

These EN numbers are just sad, is the only way they can get good numbers is through minecraft?

As somebody who plays Project Sekai I have no idea how Kobo can clear Expert songs on anything less than 10 speed, lol. Looks like note vomit to me on anything slower than 10.

>>29418847
I just gave up on watching english vtubers and started watching JP after Fauna started to push her stream time even further into the night.

>>29418759
I'm sad Mori only has 6k with the Quarry. She got 11k with the last ep but took too long since the last stream I guess, it's been almost a month.
I wanted more of the EN girls to play this game, but it seems like it's a debuff now.

>>29418829
RABYU RABYU

>Maria already peaked
>4/6 Iluna MAGGED
Still have to see what they all look like a 2 or 3 months from now but StarsEN vs wave 6 has been surprisingly competitive, save for Ren who has the potential to be Luxiem tier

>>29418865
how am i being hyperbolic? NijiIN was actually a very ambitious one since IN only had a little vtubing scene compared to the rest of their expansions

>>29418906
https://www.nhk.jp/p/vr-radio/rs/6N87LJL8ZM/
NHK site says "一夜限りのスペシャル番組"
So it seems that it's only for one night.

>>29418847
Even with a much smaller market, at some point you'll get better returns serving it that creating overlap hell elsewhere. Even if you're just getting more time in the day of Americans who have nothing else going on in their lives, and an aspiration to build a bigger local audience.

>>29418336
It's opportunity cost kind of thing.
Hololive doesn't need ads since its community is large enough it's doing good publicity for them way better than the ads ever could for free.

>>29418969

>>29418964
Interesting how after mentioning Tempus, she went from 11k -> 6k
I'm not going to say anything about it... but it's interesting... Really makes you think...

>>29418969
… could Magni actually have gotten 6k if he streamed longer or is that cope?

>>29418847
Even if their EU streams don't pan out, they'll collect the data and figure out where to go from there.

>>29418978
The European scene is far bigger than India, which had and has nothing.

What went right?

>>29418383
Anime viewers =/= chuuba viewers
A shonenfag won't watch CGDCT anime let alone streamers. Mangafags won't tolerate shit rigging. And these EU anime watchers are dub only faggots. They consume Anime in their own languages and no other. There's a reason the chuubas out of EU don't pander to the EU market like Saruei who shits on French or the VShojo whores who only gets their panties wet for Americans.

>>29418922
You should have seen when Gura played it. She was playing on 5 speed and it was giving me anxiety, lmao. So fucking slow.

>>29417322
If Ina's audience was Euro then her superchat would consist of more than 10% Euro/GBP donations.

>>29419048
Shut the fuck up retard. Mori has been collabing with and shouting out starsJP since 2020.

>>29419056
Small chance

>>29419096
There's a difference between collabing with Stars JP and Stars EN

>>29419048
And salome went from 36k to 20k playing this game. Game is an ass>>29419056

>>29419056
Unlikely desu

>>29418829
aniplus getting complaints about holocafe in kr lol. They really underestimated demands.

>>29418908
>These indie vtubers are going to compete with the JP market which are viable in their timezone?
These indie european vtubers are/were catering to the eu timezone but shifted to other timezones because it was not viable
>So what is it then? Is there an audience who would watch them in those timeslots or not?
That audience would still watch them regardless if its eu time or not and since >>29418847 shows that eu time is a shitty time for jp and sea audiences then it would be better to cater to jp time rather than eu time since those eu audiences will still watch them in jp time regardless

>>29419096
>collabing with and shouting out starsJP
Shouting out maybe a tad, but the amount of collabs has been surprisingly lackluster considering how she is

>>29419096
The only retard here is you for replying to obvious bait

>>29419056
It's sadly cope, he was stalling at 5k since the first 10 minutes.
You could say that maybe the minecraft viewers would funnel to him, but from yesterday, I think the boys only got 100-200 from the big Rust collab.

>>29418847
Yeah, seems like it's a pretty bad dilemma. Not only they need to find the talents, they also need to find the management who's active during those hours.

>>29419092
Even Kiara basically gets 0 euro donations.
So either Europeans somehow are the greediest, stingiest jews on the planet (more so than actual POORFAG countries), or they don't actually fucking watch anyone because nobody in the EU cares about vtubers.

Homobeggars and their delusional massive numbers are unironically ruining the thread, we are fighting for 50k ccv days before their debut sea hours or not but now since a homo reached 5k ccv in his debut buff month, it's the end of the world for both nijien and holoen jesas

>>29419056
Depends, do you think he could've caught a funnel from Mubae? Hard to say at the moment

>>29418908
>>29419010
It's a complete waste of time to stream in the EU time slot because all you're doing is excluding potential viewers from NA or JP. There are no EU viewers, so there's no reason not to stream in NA or JP time slots instead

>>29419159
It's becoming a trope at this point. Hololive being seen as an underdog

>>29419067
>And these EU anime watchers are dub only faggots. They consume Anime in their own languages and no other.
Speak for yourself faggot, you have a lot of assumptions there, subs > dubs

>>29417856
Muyu getting less than the fucking VTA channel streams... oh no.

>>29418847
EU primetime is a pretty shitty time since it already filters your core fanbase and add to the fact that indie euro vtubers usually die out faster than NA or SEA ones means that theres more risk to that market than rewards

>>29418847
Back when I watched a lot of Twitch streamers I remember some meta discussion from decently sized people (2k+) that there were two strategies to stream time. Either you attacked the biggest audience slot and tried to duke it out in primetime, or you picked a slot none of your competitors were in and what little overlap happened to you would be as you were wrapping up.
I don't know if the EN vtuber audience is big enough for this effect yet but the effect definitely exists. As long as there are gaping gaps in NA primetime there's no point to it, so it depends if we reach overlap every single day or not.

>>29417511
This is the Kizuna Ai of ID:

https://youtube.com/c/MayaPutri

200k subs in 2019 when neither Hololive or Nijisanji expanded overseas and most of their chuuba were still <100k.
If the market you shill has a vtuber rivaling or even better than those big JP corpos, then you can talk about expanding the branch to yours.

Uto with 2.5k on Twitch

Is there a reason EU is so hostile to vtubers besides timezone issues?

>>29418969
Really funny how Niji fans doomposted brotuber's market and Cover once again proved them wrong.

>>29419220
Judging from last time, I doubt it, seems like they’ve actually created their own box.

Just finished work, did Mumei get good numbers today? I'll check the archives later

>>29419067
even indie chuubas that are based in eu pander to non eu times
really tells you something about that market when their homegrown talent wont even stream in their primetime

>>29419159
You know you've made it when people fucking start picketing your store for not having enough products in stock. The guys running this thing are probably pulling their hair out while also smiling from ear to ear as they think about all the profits. They're going to have Cover's number on speed dial from now on.

>>29419281
Very good, got 14k while overlapping with Bae without kneecapping her and they both inclined.
Rare day where we have 2 concurrent 10k+ HoloEN streams and neither of them are Gura.

>>29418964
She took forever to get back to it, sadly. Im still watching it though and its been a blast.

>>29419159
IT KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING

>>29419277
I still don't fully believe in it. I don't think the anime avatar does anything to buff men.
That said, the Holo exposure was probably worth it for these guys, they should be getting better numbers than their previous personas.

>>29419159
I hope Cover and whoever they partner with stop underestimating themselves, you can afford at this stage to go all out

>>29419274
No tipping culture

>>29419066
Nonstop fujo baiting and identity politics discussions gets stale eventually.
HoloID provides comfy streams without all those twitch culture toxicity.

>Predict on Kiara rapes Nabi mama?
https://youtu.be/v0P66wRbIWo

>>29419382
They are getting better livestream numbers, but for someone like Magni, he already peaked on his roommate.
Magni is never going to get millions of views on meme lecture videos like his roommate.

>>29419382
Axel is constantly dumbfounded in stream, the poor guy had it rough as a below 1k before

>>29419258
Only proves my point that EU is more dead since pre-niji and holo ID has better numbers than the current eu indie vtuber scene

>>29419402
Do you think the problem is that they still have a small business mindset?

Here are some numbers for you, according to haachama yesterday, she used to be 48kgs and now is 53kgs assumingly from stress eating due to university, say something nice about this slampig

>>29419203
Nijiseethe

>>29419450
Magni peaked in youtube videos, not on streaming i was around before and Magni has, for the moment, better ccv.

I can't wait for orange man and orange woman to go head-to-head tonight since it's also a jp vs kr proxy war

>>29419274
None, anons just don't want EU to become a market for some ass backward reason.

>Voltaction getting sub 2k numbers
>Salome reclining beneath 30k and soon to be 20k because of how bad her game selection is
>Ranunculus already dead
>5/6 of wave 6 doing badly in debut week (Badly as in they aren't able to retain viewers, their numbers when compared to other members is good but it's debut buff)

>2/4 of Uproar doing bad, the other two doing okayish
>ID3 doing amazing, Gura-like star
>StarsEN doing amazing when compared to their branch
Aside from that, HoloX hasn't shown sides of being low tier members like RBC and Choco who is sub 4k. 4/5 of HoloX could hit 10k+ reliably as compared to most of Nijisanji new members in 2021/2022.

>>29419448
Buffed by starved Nabi fans, nerfed into the ground by being JP/KR.

>>29419474
Architect bros, rejoice

>>29419437
>culture
With a diverse culture with a lot of languages, there won't be any EU specific chuba that will be able to penetrate it as a whole, not when they can catch JP as well

>>29416997
JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus
7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking
9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft
10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu
12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 52,050 - Pekorone Mario Race
15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live
19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice
20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice
21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,696 - New outfit reveal
22) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 90,186 - 3D debut
23) Luna (Hololive) - 52,218 - New outfit reveal
24) Okayu (Hololive) - 64,102 - 3D live
25) Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 - Debut stream
26) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 57,593 - Niji Koshien practice
27) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 109,388 - 600k subs celebration totsumachi

>PER COMPANY
14x: Hololive
12x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
6x: Pekora
2x: Kuzuha, Mayuzumi
1x: AZKi, Gwelu, Ibrahim, Luna, Maimoto, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Okayu, Ren, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa

>>29419474
Hope she goes on a break to focus on her studies
Failing 80% of your classses is not a joke

>>29419463
I'm reinforcing your point, when I say you I mean other anons who read the reply.

>>29419448
Kiara's great at creating buff events for herself but has a huge problem converting the tourists to regular viewers.

>>29419504
>ass backward reason
>even though local eu chuubas already proved that theres no market there

>>29419501
Yeah no Axel is going to get btfo. Can’t see too many japs watching him, even if his Japanese is excellent.

>>29419504
There is no EU market, I just want Holos to save themselves from disappointment when they inevitably discover that it was a hopeless endeavor

>>29419532
>With a diverse culture with a lot of languages, there won't be any EU specific chuba that will be able to penetrate it as a whole
We all speak english, even the french do if you bully them enough they just pretend not to.

>>29419557
Retarded eurobeggars still keep shilling their mythical market even though it is non existent

>>29419580
He's FOTM, he's foreign, and he's pandering to JP. I could see 6k

>>29419402
Well better to play it safe than overshoot and have the excess taking storage, no? Technically it's their first time dipping into the KR market so they need to gauge how well will it sell first.

>>29419474
BROTHER SHE FAILED 5 CLASSES OUT OF 11, AND ACCORDING TO HER SHE USED TO BE AN HONORS STUDENT DURING THE 1ST YEAR
she pays her tuition with her own money as well, her parents DON'T want her to go kek

>>29418866
I've checked and one stream is listed twice, but yeah, 14 streams of MHR - one was even with Pochi-sensei. This game is such a turnoff for me, that as a Tako I forgot about all those streams.

>>29419580
>Can’t see too many japs watching him
ofc, even japs don't watch starsjp lmao, they would watch holos instead

>>29419334
Yeah games like this are a reaction goldmine, but looking at her numbers, I feel like people here would be bitching if Gura or Pekora streamed it. Speaking of which Botan got wrecked by this game too.

>Stream 1: 10,900/15,850
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/V0oD4GtHUD4
>Stream 2: 7,213/9,345
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/yFQw6u4Ny_8
>Stream 3: 7,409/9,306
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/EyVFQVH2Moo
>Stream 4: 7,230/8,965
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/75iRLPT-5jM

It takes a pretty huge debuff for Botan to not get 10k and most of these peaks are only because she caught a funnel from another holo.

>>29419580
How long is the homo gartic phone collab anyways? He might get the funnel from there.

>>29419601
As long as no permanent damage is done they can throw the occasional stream at EU to collect data. Numbers should approve of the vtubers probing new markets.

This month is gonna end at 14-15 with Sana holding the line on the 31st. If Sana gets gold, we finally get another good finale to a #'s arc like massacre of October. If it ends with 14-16 with niji winning on the 31st, nijifags would still get embarassed for almost losing the monthly gold when it's koshien.

>>29419274
>>29419504
>why is /#/ against vtubers streaming in a timezone that historically gives you bad /#/
I dont know anon you tell me

>>29419533
I didn't realize that Salome only got 1 gold this month, last month she was the backbone of Niji gold

>>29419701
I was asking more why Vtubing has failed in Europe.

>>29419633
He’s stars and stars perform like shit in JP, I can’t see him getting over 3k if that

>>29419518
predict a number you fucking coward

>>29419327
is it possible that koreans are scalping the merch too?
Cover is popular enough to have merch scalped

>>29419402
At this point I wonder if it's due to minimizing the risk or contracts with the sub-supplier.

>>29419755
You can't scalp cake

>>29419262
How does she even have an audience still? People make fun of Aqua, Ayame, Gura, and Sana (RIP) for not streaming a lot but this bitch ACTUALLY disappears without warning for months at a time. Not only that, her entire fanbase is due to leeching off Ame and abusing tags to get assocated with Hololive. What kind of retard continues to watch Uto? It's even more pathetic than the people who watch not-Rushia

>>29419742
I'm going for 12k. The nabi's are starving.

>>29419580
I feel like 3k is doable, but not expecting much more.
Regis kinda flopping today has tempered my expectations after Vesper surprised me this morning.

>>29419755
NijiEN merch also get scalped

>>29419402
Anon, it's better to have artificial supply shortages than excesses for optics. Encouraging your customers to line up for your products is good for business.

>>29419755
Scalpers exist everywhere. When there's limited goods there's scalpers.

>>29419725
mostly because the population that want vtubers there isnt able to sustain their vtubing scene
also euro meta is different from na and jp meta from what i can tell its fifa lootbox spamming

>>29419281
Split 25k viewers between her and Bae with basically an ID guided Minecraft tour. Pretty good I'd say.

>all this EU sperging
>EU primetime just before it hits evening are the worst hours for /#/
>When EU wakes up is also kinda pretty shitty
>Blames SEA instead when historically any online space with high french and Spanish pops is garbage
I'm calling it, outside the obvious ID Facebook fags, which are pretty easy to spot, most of our annoying shitposting schizos are probs euroshitters.

>>29419755
yeah anon let me just go scalp a cup of gura juice

>>29419785
but why is the population so small? Is there a cultural factor there that prevents EU weebs from embracing vtubing?

>>29419633
his Japanese is so good the best among holo gaijin

>>29419793
Regis flopping was expected, newbie at ASMR

>>29419785
leeching is actually a viable tactic thats why a lot of people use it

>>29419601
Hololive doesn't even need a local market at that time, it has a box. Ina does well enough, Kiara is doing better than she did at JP times, and it doesn't really matter if the viewers are American or SEA or whatever. An individual only has so many hours in the day, so if an audience is willing to watch then it's better overall than everyone contesting for the Gura slot, particularly when they add in and 5 chuubas.

And maybe they will actually find something to grow with at some point too.

>>29419451
>below 1k before
Anon, his best VOD had like 10k VOD views. He was definitely a 2view.

>>29419849
>not scalping gura juice
ngmi anon

>>29419862
>Anya and IRyS exists

>>29418964
She also had to start an hour late due to computer hort. I have noticed though that her CCV usually picks up a bit and gets closer to the peak if she streams all the way into JP prime time

>>29419843
I already realized that a month ago when the intern shitposter was doing eu/ruski hours

>Ollie approaching 5k with minecraft, which is like 2x her usual numbers.
All the IDs are getting buffed for touching minecraft these days.
Time to start liking minecraft, Kobo.

>>29419633
>6k
Anon, the JP Stars first fucking off collab didn't even get 2k. Please stop being retarded.

>>29419870
Wrong. It's a complete waste of time. Even if there's a much more heavily tapped audience in NA times, continuing to tap that time slot is still better than streaming in EU time because at least there is an NA audience, there is no EU audience. Better to maximize the capture rate for an audience that exists to try squeezing blood from a stone by streaming in EU

>>29419935
>>Anya and IRyS exists
real japanese and half japanese

>>29419935
>Anya
>gaijin
Ayame is more of a gaijin than anya

>>29419983
How unambitious.

>>29419281
Mumei was good and capped out at 14k but I'm more surprised at Bae who kept her viewership and didn't lose any to Mumei after she started.

>>29419633
>6k
If that retard gets 4k I will eat my shit. That’s my bet.

>>29420023
how did that work out of NijiIN?

>>29419975
NTA, but JP/EU(?) are aware of StarsEN.
Axel got 9k with Apex in JP time last time from curious Apexfags/JP viewers and retained them for the whole hour.
At this point, expecting StarsJP numbers from StarsEN is silly even if people might be expecting too much from them now.

>>29420023
It's realistic. Anyone can tell you that EU just has no audience to speak of for Vtubers, there's no point in even attempting to pander to them

>>29419184
>they also need to find the management who's active during those hours
You have found one of the more important problems in all of this. For American chuuubas, all a Japanese corporate drone needs to do is wake up as if they were going to commute long and turn the computer on and they will be able to tard-wrangle their retarded Americans and even setup meeting by noon time JST. Europeans on the other hand are double-fucked because Japanese simply will have trouble accommodating them without interfering with this otherwise simple process like they would for Americans (even the EST ones have better timezone alignment than all of EU).

Minecraft has turned into a really strong buff game for ID

>>29419935

>>29420052
remember Tempus and iluna still in honeymoon phase

What started off looking like a very good day for Anycolor's stock resulted in a small loss for the day.

>>29419965
Kobo already said that she refuses to play Minecraft

>>29420106
I mean, I'm not saying he'll get 9k again, but I'm pretty confident in all of them getting at least 2k (altho Regiboy had me sweatin a bit today)

>>29420117
Isnt the market overall shitting itself today? specially when opec announced it would curb new oil supplies and that brics is dickwaving again with a new reserve currency?

>>29420052
They spoke fucking English in the Apex stream anon. Of course you should expect JP Stars numbers when it's a Japanese only zatsudan.

>>29420117
I'm still baffled that a anime avatar streaming company is valued at 1.9 billion USD.

>>29420161
I think he can get 6k+ if he does karaoke

>>29419965
Kobo is in the newer younger zoomer generation that doesnt like minecraft

>>29419159
HOLOKR FUCKING WHEN

>>29420052
Yeah, that's how I was feeling when I said 6k. I don't think Axel's a 6k streamer, but I do think at least SOME people from Holo's massive JP audience would be curious about this sudden breakout Star (by comparison to JP Stars members) and would tune in to speak Japanese. The fact that he's not native Japanese makes it all the more interesting. Easterners love it when foreigners speak their language, though it's not like he can always do it to maintain ccv. It'll get 6k for the novelty of it

>>29420205
Sadly he said he is keeping it until a "Special Occasion" which is likely monetization

>>29420045
Prepare your tableware anon

>>29419849
it's precious stuff

Why no EST holoENs?

>>29420259
No fucking way he’s THIS retarded

>>29419682
I mean 10-2 to Holo victory with a different Holo for every gold was pretty good

>>29420295
He is literally the himbo of the group, guy is dumb as rocks.

>>29420272
Not happening lmao

>>29420292
Kronii streamed at like 6 PM Eastern today didn't she? Can't get much more time zone friendly than that.

>>29419843
Nice deflection pagpag eater

>>29420045
even though they are faggots, but i agree their voices are good
hope for axel singing some DOSE song, donten is fine

>>29420292
Gura is literally the most EST friendly HoloEN

>>29420045
Make it 2k. If Retard dog gets 2k I'll suck my own dick and live stream it

>>29419402
Honestly man, I wouldn't really rag on them for this. Myth clips generate numbers, sure, but it's really difficult for anyone outside of Korea to judge just how much support they might have among REAL people, who would go out of their way to visit shops and get collab merch for you.

This is their first ever endeavor into Korea, so I wouldn't fault them for being conservative about it. Better to have sold everything out than have to bargain bin merch.

They'll also have a better idea for demand the next time they do a collab. and will likely get overshot again lol

>>29420295
Combining first time karaoke with monetization opening stream would get him a shit ton of superchat. It's not a bad idea.

>>29420186
To be fair, it's a suspicious black box considering Tazumi's familial connections and whatnot. It's over-valued by at least 2x.

>>29419869
It's viable, but Uto's way of going about it was definitely misleading and manipulative at the time. Yet, people were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt despite her nebulous claims of it being the fault of some "unspecified company" that was backing her. I mentioned all this for context, but what I'm really wondering is how the hell this many people continue to watch someone who has no regard for their audience at all and has disappeared for 3-5 months without any warning MULTIPLE TIMES.

>>29420402
Yeah but damn he must not care about numbers. What a fag

>>29419862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OWnMFcP1V0
he confident with her japanese

>>29420451
He's a 2views anon, same as regis and vesper...

>>29420451
When you go from a 2view to a 4view with 100k subs in less than a week, it's hard to care that much about maximizing potential numbers.

>>29419601
You can tell that there is no market for europe when Nijisanji of all companies doesnt even want to invest there and this is the company that invested in india of all places. That alone speaks volumes of the viability of the european market

>>29420451
I would say he does care about numbers. But wants to make a big splash and cash it all in at once. Only time will tell if his approach is good or bad.

>people said vtubers wouldn't sell in Korea
>Ame and Myth paved the way and made vtubers popular in Korea
>people are now saying vtubers won't sell in Europe
Get ready to eat your words when holoEN penetrates that market in a few months

Couple of threads back there was a discussion about the VTubing industry as a whole and Anycolor's business practice in particular.
It's an interesting topic so I'd like to bring it up again.
Anycolor's shotgun approach seems to have worked so far when looking through a purely profit-based lens, since most of the new livers start off with a 1.0 Live2D so there's very little expense, and almost all the new debuts in the past year have had debut merch.
If a new wave releases and makes a good impression on at least a few hundred people enough to get them to buy their debut merch, then the cost of hiring the artists, riggers and maybe giving a phone for the talent will usually be covered within a few days.
This means that the rest of the liver's career, however long or short it may be, will continue to generate only profit for Anycolor.

I would say this is what allows them to shotgun waves like no tomorrow, since the cycle of "new debut --> debut merch --> profit" does not look like it's going to stop anytime soon.
But I'd like to discuss the question of "when would it stop?" because it's interesting to think about.

In the western sphere, "speak with your wallet" is a popular idiom. And even though 90% of the time it doesn't work out because of the existence of the casual audience, there ARE times that things have gotten so bad that even casual audiences have given up. Morbius, the western comic industry and to a lesser extent, Star Wars and the latest Marvel phase are good examples.

For the JP audience, I'm not sure this has ever happened. The JP economy as a whole tumbled during the 90's but I can't recall any particular instance of a big JP company shoving low quality shit at the audience and reclining because of it (other than maybe literal scam artists). Competition, sure. But as most of you know, Anycolor and Hololive have different market approaches, and aren't aiming for the same audience.

How badly would Anycolor have to fuck up for their casual audience to stop feeding this cycle? Is it even possible for the cycle to stop? Or will it continue until the proverbial Nijisanjification where every VTuber is Nijisanji?

>>29420388
Do you happen to know of a mercari-like site for Korea? I'd be curious in gauging how much the cafe collab Holo EN merch is getting scalped for in general.

>>29420436
Still, wouldn't that valuation would open up the floodgates for capital into the vtubing industry?
I guess we'll see when the share lockup expires?

From what I can tell, never trust # when they try to predict or doompost something.
How can a place known for numberfagging be so wrong so many times?

>>29419633
It would also be a good indication of how many EOPs have blended into the JP audience, since they will have no qualms about watching a JP only stream.

>>29420517
Niji EN has like, what 4 or 5 Europeans in it though, doesn't it?

>>29420556
>people said vtubers wouldn't sell in Korea
the people who said that are retarded since korea has a pretty vibrant indie vtubing scene unlike europe where even their homegrown eu chuubas switch to NA primetime since EU primetime is dead

>>29420618
I’ve never been more confident in anything in my life. Dog is NOT getting 4k on a JP only stream. It’s not happening

>>29420618
The actual reason will surprise you
Because most people here actively say shit they know is stupid to bait or gaslight the people who would argue against it

Yo is VSPO a thing or something? Why are so many people watching them?

>>29416997
Fuck... the QUALITY on those feets!

Ollie 5k...niji en....it's over.....

>>29420575
something called "bunjang" apparently, am not Korean so cannot confirm.

>>29419159
>Aniplus x Myth collab selling out
Where is that retard that claimed Lamy was more popular than Ame now?

>>29420641
3 out of the 4 streams in cn prime time and nina is a collab baby

>>29420641
And even then they dont pander to Europeans since they know theres nothing to pander. It speaks volumes when nijisanji doesnt even try to pander or expand to that market and instead pander to the latin/kr/indo and even in community

>>29420656
They were going off NijiKR

>>29420558
sorry, civilized conversation won't happen until the next 9 hours, you know..it's the time

>>29420497
What's up with people using her and she pronouns for the homoEN boys? Are we being visited by DeepL-using nihonjins from 5ch?

>>29420692
No, they're not a thing, anon. It's all just a figment of your imagination. Please seek mental help.

>>29420517
Given Nijisanji's track record, I'm still baffled why anyone would trust their ability in venturing to new markets.

>>29420713
Just because Cover understocked their merch to hide how unpopular Myth is doesn't mean Myth is actually popular, ENshart

>>29420739
when you want to look at how healthy and viable a vtubing market is you usually look at the local indies there and judging by eu local indie scene its pretty much dead

>>29417158
Tell that to Luxiem or EU indies streaming to 8k.

>>29420733
>he doesn't trust the plan
See you in 2023 when holoEN goes viral in Europe and dominates the European streaming scene

>>29420558
Maybe when Anicolor literally can't expand their nijibox and the number of chuubas overwhelm the number of new viewers.

>>29420754
makes more sense than saying they are SEA or chink
>it happen more
>not shit talk them

>>29420618
Nijiniggers, anon. These people actually exist.

>>29420818
THERE ARE NO EU INDIES STREAMING IN EU TIME
THERE IS NO EU AUDIENCE

>>29420784
Show me where a gen 5 cafe sold out, go on, I'll wait

>>29417190
Holobabs are so gay.

About EU market, here is a good benchmark for it, using an example adjacent to vtubers: the highest grossing anime movie ever
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-05-26/demon-slayer-film-record-global-box-office-broken-down-by-region/.173139

Three things about it
1) Korea outranked EU in both revenue and attendance
2) LATAM outranked EU in both revenue and attendance
3) SEA outranked EU in both revenue and attendance
4) AUZ-NZ, with a smaller attendance, outranked EU in revenue

That should give an idea of the size (or lack thereof) of the EU market for this type of products

Is ID having a fucking Renaissance or something? Ollie has almost 6k viewers? What the fuck am I looking at?

>>29420558
The company continues to make money at the expense of their talents. It's a bad business decision. Cover didn't do it, yet they still dominate the market.

>>29420893
Kobo saved ID, where have you been?

>>29420641
Ike is swedish, but he streams at 7pm jst for god knows why. He could stream at EU primetime but didn't

>>29420798
If Hololive had taken that approach they never would have bothered launching Myth

>>29420893
Minecraft buff

>>29420558
>How badly would Anycolor have to fuck up for their casual audience to stop feeding this cycle?
As you said, it only takes them days to weeks to make back what they invest on debuting a new wave. There are barely any negative drawbacks to debuting more and "diluting" the brand, people already don't care to follow every Niji. People don't think 3views make the Niji brand look bad because they don't even know the 3views in Niji.

I think it'll hurt when vtubing dies and they have like 100+ deadweights, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Cover and Anycolor are both extremely profitable right now.

>>29417749
Link to the interview? Is that the one with the Kobo cosplayer?

>>29420916
based kobo. sadly she's reclining hard now, but atleast people can thank her as the hero of ID now.

How did one single scheduled EU stream cause this much seething, holy fuck.

>>29420881
HoloKR next, then.
EU and Latin are poor.

>>29420929
He knows where are the numbers at

>>29420962
Talent first, Company second is still a better strategy than anycolor's company first, talent second

>>29420558
JP audiences love to it shit you can see it in the anime scene where shit like naruto bleach and onepiece was the most popular anime and manga and even shit like nisekoi was considered to be a masterpiece by japs
thats why its no surprise that theyre taste in vtubers are also shit when you can see that the top jp vtubers in all companies are bland and repetitive

>>29420893
>Minecraft arc
>Anya Moona Rust arc
>Today Reine will have an announcement for ID2
>Which will lead to their Independence day project
The ID incline train is on full speed

>>29418066
Explain Salome.

>>29420972
Not really, she's just playing debuff games or do guerilla streams

>>29420893
They are in a big minecraft arc.

>>29420984
Upset nijiniggers afraid that Cover is going to repeat their success in foreign markets yet again where nijisanji has failed

>>29420893
Many local anime events are already running in here, and the biggest one will happen in September
i can say hololive related stuff is naruto or snk tier now

>>29420939
Myth is a failure by any rational metric, ENshart

how do they keep gettng into unrelated topics

>>29420818
>EU indies streaming to 8k.
Yeah streaming in NA prime time since they moved there after they tried streaming in eu hours

>>29420985
>EU and Latin are poor
True. Kobo did a karaoke at EU's primetime and their combined SC is not even top 5. They lost to ID/JP/TW/KR at 3AM and lost to burger too kek.

>>29420984
>one
Anon, a Nowa-oji is trying to prove that the EU market is viable. Now Mumei is also moving in try court the same market. Kiara was already there, but she's a non-starter for most people so they want to see if it really does work.

>>29420558
They'll stop when people stop wanting to be vtubers. Costs them almost nothing to give out a live2D avatar since they do the designing and rigging in-house.

>>29421060
>naruto or snk tier now
Holy fucking shit

>>29421046
Anon, playing debuff games is what lead to a recline. That's what happened with Kroni.

>>29418607
>Reddit
Go back

But seriously tho Reddit nowadays is just /vt/ without the shitposting

>>29420939
how so? pre-myth the en vtubing scene was pretty vibrant and alive even if you comapre it to the current eu indie scene
even with vtubers inclining everywhere the eu scene is basically dead and the eu indies know that and thats why they stream in NA or even JP times rather than EU times

>>29420893
EN is so shit people are moving to ID.

>>29421060
you're underestimating them, they're at least demon slayer or spyxfamily tier while nijien's tier is at domestic no kanojo

>>29421072
Is her left arm supposed to be a monstrosity?

>>29420961
yes

>>29420825
That's an eventuality, sure. But combining every "known" corpo VTuber there are already more than 300 of them.
And Nijisanji in particular has around 150+ iirc.
What number would it have to reach for it to be unsustainable?

>>29421072
Because Twitter is biased in their favor, literally. It's honestly infuriating how advantaged Nijisanji is on Twitter by the Topic system, meanwhile Hololive doesn't have Topic even though they've trended #1 so many times

>>29420984
see
>>29419701
unless of course your a nijifag who wants to shit on holo after they fail spectacularly in this eu experiment

>>29420893
NijiID gave vtubers in indo a bad rap for being elitists. Now that they're gone, everyone is inclining again.

>>29421072
>>29421197
Can you pay for topics on twitter? Would that explain it?

>>29421130
She will play Fall Guys (which is a good game for streaming and good for ID viewers) today but on membership stream, while she keep streaming debuff game on public. She's so retarded.

>>29420898
>It's a bad business decision
No it's a bad "moral" decision. Business-wise, profits (and general reputation) override everything else in most fields.
We /here/ find it morally abhorrent but for the casual audience, it's simply another set of toys to play with.
That's why the question is interesting, at what point would the "casual" audience stop feeding the cycle?

>>29421177
It will never be unsustainable. If there truly is no "Niji box," then graduating a liver does not impact the overall viewership beyond that liver's audience. Furthermore, as people have mentioned, the cost of the model and equipment are easily recouped with day one supas. At this point, just debuting a liver will generate enough buzz and hype that even if they get 500 viewers, it will still provide profits for the company

Looks like the homos at Tempus fell off already. That was a short honeymoon period. I wonder when they'll turn into 3views

>>29420784
>Cover understocked
Retard

>>29421268
>That's why the question is interesting, at what point would the "casual" audience stop feeding the cycle?
If we base it on japs anime audience then never

>>29420984
Niji fans doomposting Holos again.

>>29421177
When one of nijis gets below 500 ccv, that's when it's unsustainable. Just look at voltaction or ranunculus dipping below 1k. Hajime, naruse and other livers had dipped below 500 ccv now. Hajime was the first wave, and he became a sub 200 ccv. Reimu/Petra could become a sub 500 ccv after 50 EN livers and the only ones surviving are the boys just because they aren't competing with HoloEN. Gura already claimed her throne, no other vtubers will come close to her.

>>29421197
Twitter numbers are irrelevant anyway.
Ads on twitters worth less than ads on twitch.

>>29421060
quite agree.. i guess
I follow many Indonesian cosplayers with good quality, and at least most of them have cosplayed as Hololive, but have never cosplayed as Niji.

>>29421252
If Cover could pay for a topic, they would've done it a long time ago because even their talents are addicted to twitter.
I've still yet to see any way for someone to pay for a twitter topic.
Hell if people can pay for twitter topics, then gachikois would've paid for one already for their oshis.

>>29419048
Well, don't, because there's enough retardation in this thread
We don't need you adding yours

Why kobo streaming at this time? She should stay put in ID primetime like all the blue powerhouse (gura and pekora).

>>29421170
NijiId doesn't exist no more.

>>29421045
what's there to explain? her vod views are about what I expect for their stream CCV and stream length

>>29419066
Hag autism

>>29421373
what time is it in Indonesia?

>>29421252
yeah but not to twitter you go to a 3rd party for that
>t. used to do it when i was streaming

>>29421177
It already is mostly unsustainable. There comes a point where new debuts do not expand the viewing audience and starts eating away at the audience of everyone else, leading to infighting and tribalism among the fans, which inevitably leads to graduations and harassment.

The brand getting weaker IS a problem, because once you've radicalized your fanbase then you're not getting them back when they leave. Sponsors won't be interested in a sea of 2views and 3views, nor will they want to be associated with the drama Nijisanji as a brand will eventually embroil itself in.

Eventually Nijisanji will become such a joke that no one wants to join, those who do join all plan to leave, and everyone outside of Nijisanji has long since condemned it due to negative experience with it.