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>>29416997>SwireHoly based OP
>>29416867>Theres something therewe'll see but my guess is that it will be the same ccv that they usually get since its the same audience that follows them and they wont get any new audience or boost from this elusive EU audience which i remind you has the lowest vtuber indie scene in the vtubing market
*YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY*>109,388: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)>86,404: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)>74,478: Njisanji (Nijisanji)>67,224: Lize (Nijisanji)>45,967: Njisanji (Nijisanji)>42,784: Pekora (Hololive)>41,146: Miko (Hololive)>34,698: Salome (Nijisanji)>23,661: Gura (Hololive)>22,976: Luna (Hololive)>20,489: Fubuki (Hololive)>19,234: Sora (Hololive)>16,627: Mysta (Nijisanji)>14,943: Koyori (Hololive)>11,228: Haachama (Hololive)>10,522: Hal (Neo Porte)>10,326: Kobo (Hololive)>10,317: Okayu (Hololive)
>>29416692Watame did a poll on overseas fans and asked people where they were from a couple days ago. Not the first time either. Stop being a retard.
>>29416980She's a retard, she loves to debuff herself like Ame
>>29417070>JULY 2022 GOLDS1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka14) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 54,165 - Niji Koshien practice15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,696 - New outfit reveal22) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 90,186 - 3D debut23) Luna (Hololive) - 52,218 - New outfit reveal24) Okayu (Hololive) - 64,102 - 3D live25) Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 - Debut stream26) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 57,593 - Niji Koshien practice27) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 109,388 - 600k subs celebration totsumachi>PER COMPANY13x: Hololive, Nijisanji1x: Indie>PER STREAMER5x: Pekora2x: Ibrahim, Kuzuha, Mayuzumi1x: AZKi, Gwelu, Luna, Maimoto, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Okayu, Ren, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa>2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY131x: Hololive67x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte3x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER23x: Pekora16x: Aqua, Salome14x: Kuzuha13x: Miko9x: Subaru6x: Hal5x: Kanata, Marine4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Toya3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Nijisanji, Towa2x: Ange, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mayuzumi, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Luna, Maimoto, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
The worst thing HomoEN did was trick HoloEN into trying to pander to the nonexistent EU audience. This is going to kill their numbers, just you watch, there's no one who will watch a stream in EU hours
>>29416997Final /news/ roundup for 27-07-2022>>29359673 Recent clips>>29345037 >>29345084>>29345433 >>29345478
>>29416981Believe it or not, Miku colorful stage is actually a buff game for most vtubers.Even some Noctyx males got 6-7k with it because it has gacha.Kobo's numbers are bad now because it's a bad time for ID.
>>29416902Mutts are afraid that their primetime hours will be exposed as the shittiest ones.
>>29416980Not the type of her game just like HolocureIf she keeps doing this she will keep recliningMeanwhile Kaela keeps inclining because of Holobox
Oh Susan you wanted to recommend me something? No, thank you though.
>>29417158Kiara already tried to pander to that market and it failed miserablyPeople just dont seem to realize that there is no viable market there for vtubers unless theyre doing fifa shit and even then youll be stuck in 3view territory at most
>>29411100>>29411880>>29412726>>29413309>>29413452>>29413879>>29414322>>29414613>>29414456>>29414753every day the nijikeks keep shitting up the thread, and then they have the gall to wonder why this thread doesn't like nijisanji
>>29417178>Kobo's numbers are bad now because it's a bad time for ID.I thought it was sea time why is it a bad time for id?
>>29417250Or.... Euros just don't like Kiara. It's not like she even streams in EU primetime anyways, she starts in JP time.
>>29416913some indogfag earlier today said she got popular and thus gets the views she does because she got mostly popular with the ironic weeb semi-normalfag crowd so yeah you're probably right
>>29416980>Why is she not joining ID project in MC?With how big of an buff ID Minecraft is right now she would be getting like 20k+ on it and she is afraid of mogging the EN girls because she has too much respect for them and doesnt want to humiliate them. So she is letting the buff cooldown a bit
>>29417250EUbros loves loliJust look at Ina's consistent 10k EU numbers
>>29416997Subs gained in July・Niji EN maleVox Akuma +122,000Mysta Rias +106,000Luca Kaneshiro +97,000Shu Yamino +82,000Ike Eveland +76,000・Niji EN femaleSelen Tatsuki +50,000Pomu Rainpuff +42,000Enna Alouette +42,000Nina Kosaka +38,000Millie Parfait +34,000・Holo EN femaleGawr Gura +57,000Tsukumo Sana +32,000Mori Calliope +33,000Ceres Fauna +26,000Nanashi Mumei +25,000・ HoloIDKobo +327,000Kaela +62,000Zeta +59,000Ollie +50,000Moona +40,000
>>29417078Hes also disregarding the fact that non JOPs dont type in chat unless they get a "Hey guys!" in their respective languages.
>>29417335>JOPs dont type in chat>in a JP streamyou retarded or something?
>>29417250>Using Kiara as an exampleYou clearly don't know jack shit then, also let me know when she decides to change her streaming voice
nijiniggers truly are all the same no matter what platform they are posting on
>>29417300It's 1:45 pm in indonesia right now. Even JPs that stream earlier only stream this early on weekends.
>>29417378Read nigga read
>>29417190I too am having Al this nijishill push to me when I use my phone.>clipfagI watched the stream live but it’s 4 hrs long and most of it was them learning the game
>>29417378Reading comprehension
>>29416997*FINAL GAIJIN TALLY OF THE DAY*>23,816: Gura (Hololive)>17,099: Mysta (Nijisanji)>10.396: Kobo (Hololive)>9,161: Kaela (Hololive)>8,979: Vox (Nijisanji)>8,875: Fauna (Hololive)>8,482: Ren (Nijisanji)>8,140: Noir (Holostars)>7,921: Luca (Nijisanji)>7,882: Ina (Hololive)>7,803: Moona (Hololive)>7,272: Noir (Holostars)>7,100: Maria (Nijisanji)>6,923: Magni (Holostars)>6,912: Kronii (Hololive)>6,856: Mumei (Hololive)>6,779: Ollie (Hololive)>6,626: Kaela (Hololive)>6,592: Kobo (Hololive)>6,519: Regis (Holostars)>6,197: Amelia (Hololive)>6,135: Aia (Nijisanji)>5,776: Nina (Nijisanji)>5,620: Aster (Nijisanji)>5,491: Amelia (Hololive)>5,451: Scarle (Nijisanji)>5,270: Alban (Nijisanji)>5,022: Kyo (Nijisanji)>GAIJIN GOLD SO FAR FOR JULY1. Mumei (Hololive) - 18,378 (I'm on Observation Duty 5 w/Fauna)2. Ina (Hololive) - 22,039 (Return Stream)3. Luca (Nijisanji) - 26,367 (600k sub celebration unarchived karaoke)4. Mumei (Hololive) - 22,338 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)5. Kobo (Hololive) – 22,212 (Getting Over It)6. Gura (Hololive) - 32,780 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)7. Kiara (Hololive) - 36,856 (3D Birthday concert)8. Gura (Hololive) - 19,070 (I am Fish)9. Kobo (Hololive) – 12,130 (Rock Simulator)10. Lily (Cloud Horizon) – 21,623 (Graduation ceremony)11. IRyS (Hololive) - 23,882 (1st Anniversary Celebration)12. Sana (Hololive) – 22,793 (Graduation announcement)13. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 14,315 (Reviewing viewer dishes)14. Mysta (Nijisanji) – 21,552 (Genshin Impact gacha)15. Kobo (Hololive) – 14,834 (Golf It! w/Mori)16. Kronii (Hololive) – 16,001 (Dark Deception)17. Vox (Nijisanji) - 13,352 (RP ASMR)18. Selen (Nijisanji) - 18,215 (Obsydia 1 year anniversary celebration)19. Mumei (Hololive) - 25,551 (Anatomy review w/Calli and Sana)20. Vox (Nijisanji) - 13,804 (The Sims 4 making Iluna House)21. Mumei (Hololive) - 41,318 (Council & IRyS 3D debut)22. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 13,707 (Comeback)23. Magni (Holostars) - 43,574 (Debut)24. Noir (Holostars) - 35,649 (Debut)25. Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 (Debut)26. Ren (Nijisanji) - 14,072 (Debut 2.0)27. Gura (Hololive) - 23,816 (Rust)>GOLD PER COMPANYHolopro - 17Nijisanji – 9Others - 1>GOLD PER STREAMER4x: Mumei3x: Kobo, Mysta, Gura2x: Vox, Ren1x: Ina, Luca, Kiara, Lily, IRyS, Sana, Kronii, Selen; Magni, Noir
Don't worry Homobeggars, Bae/Ame/Mori collabs will save Tempiss.
>>29417378bro don't tell me you missed the NON in non jop...
>>29417300The "real" ID hololive chuubafans are dropping her for Kaela. Kobo will still have absurd numbers sometimes because she is part of the indo youtube box.But if you ONLY count Hololive fans Kobo is pretty much head to head with Kobo
>>29417378Read you stupid shit. READ
>>29417391The Spacebattles vtuber thread is impressively obscure as a source. I did notice a guy constantly shilling muh chemistry there before.
>>29417422Cover is too cheap to run an ad campaign huh.
>People shitting on the EU vtuber market>check their indie sceneI mean the guy is not wrong, the eu vtuber indie scene is pretty fucking dead and thats usually a good indicator of how much a market wants vtubersI mean hell even pre-kobo indo indie scene is more active than it and thats saying a lot
>>29417440>SILVER PER COMPANYHolopro - 18Nijsanji - 8Others - 0>SILVER PER STREAMER5x: Kobo3x: Gura2x: Vox, Luca, Mori, Baelz, Regis, Mysta1x: Uki, Mumei, Amelia, IRyS, Kiara, Axel, Aster>BRONZE PER COMPANYHolopro - 20Nijsanji - 7Others – 0>BRONZE PER STREAMER4x: Ina, Kobo3x: Mumei2x: Amelia, Kronii, Luca1x: Shu, Kiara, Fauna, Mori, Moona, Petra, Uki, Fulgur, Magni, Aia>MEDAL COUNTMumei: 8 (4-1-3)Kobo: 12 (3-5-4)Gura: 6 (3-3-0)Mysta: 5 (3-2-0)Vox: 4 (2-2-0)Ren: 2 (2-0-0)Luca: 5 (1-2-2)IRyS: 2 (1-1-0)Kiara: 3 (1-1-1)Ina: 5 (1-0-4)Kronii: 3 (1-0-2)Magni: 2 (1-0-1)Lily: 1 (1-0-0)Sana: 1 (1-0-0)Selen: 1 (1-0-0)Noir: 1 (1-0-0)Mori: 3 (0-2-1)Baelz: 2 (0-2-0)Regis: 2 (0-2-0)Amelia: 3 (0-1-2)Uki: 2 (0-1-1)Axel: 1 (0-1-0)Aster: 1 (0-1-0)Shu: 1 (0-0-1)Fauna: 1 (0-0-1)Moona: 1 (0-0-1)Petra: 1 (0-0-1)Fulgur: 1 (0-0-1)Aia: 1 (0-0-1)
>>29417493why would they need to
>>29417178Rhythm game is a debuff for ID viewers.
Is Maria going to lose to Magni or Z?
>>29417546Because Holostars EN are going to be 1-2k shitters in a few weeks and their star is probably barely going to crack 5k?
>>29417250that just proves the EU market doesn't like female chuubas. If StarsEN can penetrate EU then it proves without a shadow of a doubt that EUfags are literal homos.
>>29417570Who and who?
>>29417511I don't know about the others but why would I bother when I can catch the JP girls during my time? And now that Nowa-oji is here I can unwind after work when he does his stream
>>29417570I only know Marine sorry
>>29417591Isnt that good for stars numbers? unless of course youre thinking that nijien is on par with stars now?
>>29417591Who cares? That's bigger than the Niji Girls get on most days.
https://youtu.be/GuriQQOYq1UWhat the fuck?
>>29417652I don't think the nijis realise that wave 6 are currently losing to the Holostars they're making fun of despite having a bigger debut buff
>>29417591That will depend on the Tempus and how they do, if I'm honest I doubt Cover would let Tempus die off on its own seeing the support they've gave to stars so far.
>Rosemi 5kInclining???
>>29417487like I said, the entire nijiEN fanbase is /here/ and that's why you see the opinions that get expressed here pop up on all other platforms that nijisanji discussion is held. It's also how they get funny ideas about how /vt/ is the nexus of western vtuber discussion, because to nijifags it really is
OK I have to ask. Have ANY of Amelia's numbers been impacted in a significant way since she said improve yourself or is it all SEAnigger bullshit?
>>29417677Is this the beginning of a new arc? The 'Planet Coaster' arc?
>Bae got 12kI kneel to the box.
>>29417567>Kobo's interview: "I want to expand the market, getting new fans while keeping the old one, and learn the trends from her senpais and fleshtubers">Also Kobo: Playing debuff game for ID viewers
>Scarle 60k views on today's VOD>Magni 22k views on today's VODIt's over
>>29417511Even vietnam and malaysia has a bigger scene than EUThe "EU Audience" are just the regular holobox audience
>>29417726Are you referring to her talking about Tempus?Her numbers are the same as always.
>>29417726No. She’s getting the same numbers she always did.
>>29417677Fucking hell haachama you're about a year late
>>29417726>Thinking /vt/ crap has influence on a Holo's viewershipThe day that happens it's the day I'll truly believe that Hololive is dying
>>29417751tourist-chama....
>>29417658>That's bigger than most Nijis get everyday.
>>29411217It's not an anomaly, that guy literally clips every single Gura song, but he can't into thumbnails for most of them and so they often don't have pulling power.The ones where he DOES put a decent thumbnail naturally get better views.
>>29417727what is so special about it?other members have played this shit ages ago
>>29417633So the EU audience is just the regular Holobox audience thenStreaming in EU would be a retarded move if thats the case since it wouldnt bring any new viewers to the table
>>29417570I don't think comparing mid-tier numbers like this matters, but 5k for shit like Story of Seasons and Thief Simulator is not bad.
>>29417751Magni has 32k on his vodBut Scarle has had pretty good Vodviews on her streams for her CCV
>>29417907Neither are bad, but nijis are acting like one is horrible.
>>29417842But anon the Mag meme came from here…..Your going to tell me the lowest Subbed one with the shittiest model was going to get the highest debut views without it?
>>29417726I don't think her ccv is going to go down, but what about her membership numbers and SCs?
>>29417727no she's actually in her failing and getting kicked out of college due to her vtubing activities arc which might make her go on another long break or graduate
>>29417726hololive isn't nijisanji, they can piss of /vt/ as much as they want and it wouldn't amount to much more than a drop in the bucket
>>29417926Scarle's views shows that she's getting a lot of tourists. That means more potential for a stable viewershipSay what you will, but cover not advertising Stars at all and niji going all out for wave 6 is going to make a massive difference in the long run. Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouth
>>29417856
>>29417124SILVER>1) 38,292: Salome (Nijisanji) Unpacking (Low energy)>2) 64,120: Marine (Hololive) Holocure>3) 70,134: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) *Niji event>4) 32,929: Botan (Hololive) Holocure>5) 49,897: Salome (Nijisanji) Rhythm Tengoku>6) 51,071: Salome (Nijisanji) Idolm@ster Million Live>7) 49,060: Noel (Hololive) NoePeko DQ11S gambling>8) 35,848: Marine (Hololive) Zatsu>9) 107,144: Salome (Nijisanji) 1st Utawaku>10) 34,727: Toya (Nijisanji) Toya>11) 59,594: Leos (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>12) 46,537: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak>13) 59,914: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>14) 51,831: Pekora (Hololive) PeKorone Super Mario Bros>15) 41,836: Leos (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>16) 63,495: Shikinagi Akira (Nijisanji) Debut stream>17) 59,443: Marine (Hololive) Lui Marine Clubhouse 51>18) 64,852: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>19) 45,802: Suisei (Hololive) miComet hololiveERROR>20) 44,799: Pekora (Hololive) RUST>21) 52,071: Marine (Hololive) Shuba Marine Collab>22) 66,018: Matsuri (Hololive) Birthday 3D Live>23) 49,766: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>24) 54,267: Ema (VSPO) New outfit reveal>25) 79,772: Aster Arcadia (Nijisanji) Debut stream>26) 50,654: Subaru (Hololive) Kurorekishi Senshuken>27) 86,404: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) 600k Celebration Funeral stream> PER COMPANY14x: Nijisanji12x: Hololive1x: VSPO> PER STREAMER4x: Salome, Marine3x: Pekora2x: Leos, Lize1x: Nijisanji, Botan, Noel, Toya, Hayato, Shikinagi Akira, Suisei, Matsuri, Ema, Aster Arcadia, Subaru, Mayuzumi
>>29417877So what is it? Is there a market or not? Why did it change to "new viewers" all of a sudden?
>>29417751Wow. Longer stream has more vod views. Who'd have guessed?
>>29417926Wouldn't that be because of the subcount?
>>29417926Cuz she has shit ton of tourist who only watched for a bit then move away. See her Likes much more than her peak CCV
>>29418001>Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouth
>>29418001Shut up, retard.
>>29417124BRONZE>1) 35,700: Todoroki Kyoko (Nijisanji) 3D Reveal>2) 62,797: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) Graduation announcement>3) 60,986: Yorumi Rena (Nijisanji) SMC 3rd Anniversary>4) 29,741: Miko (Hololive) Minecraft>5) 48,415: Marine (Hololive) Holocure>6) 46,066: Subaru (Hololive) TowaShuba collab>7) 36,803: Kiara (Hololive) 3D Birthday>8) 32,445: Watame (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 collab>9) 38,689: Mel (Hololive) Live2D 3.0 update 4/5>10) 31,811: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak>11) 45,810: Lize (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>12) 43,505: Maimoto (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>13) 29,476: Subaru (Hololive) Metal Slug 3>14) 46,857: Korone (Hololive) PeKorone Super Mario Bros>15) 36,702: Salome (Nijisanji) Ojiisan to asobou>16) 62,906: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) VOLTACTION debut>17) 50,249: Miko (Hololive) WWE2K22>18) 48,385: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>19) 39,934: Salome (Nijisanji) Rhythm Tengoku>20) 32,419: Salome (Nijisanji) 1.5million subscriber celebration>21) 44,731: Sasaki (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>22) 58,070: Hayato (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>23) 43,524: Magni (Holostars) Debut stream>24) 50,902: Nui (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Koshien>25) 74,480: Aia Amare (Nijisanji) Debut stream>26) 38,638: Pekora (Hololive) MonHun Sunbreak collab w/ Shion>27) 74,478: Njisanji (Nijisanji) Kuzuha & Kanae & ROF-MAO Live free part> PER COMPANY15x: Nijisanji12x: Hololive> PER STREAMER3x: Salome2x: Subaru, Miko, Hayato, Pekora, Nijisanji1x: Todoroki Kyoko, Mayuzumi, Yorumi Rena, Marine, Kiara, Watame, Mel, Lize, Maimoto, Korone, Sasaki, MAGni, Nui, Aia
>>29418001Anon longer vods = more viewersHow long was the stream?
>>29418001>Cover can't just expect clippers to make their livers famous from word of mouthlollmao even
>>29417966I mean Suipiss and rrat made it out of here too. Doesn't mean shit like "If the girls collab with men, they're DOOMED" or "Mori collabing with TT is the final yab" retardation makes it to the general Hololive community.
>>29417966I'll kneel on that one, but that only applies when /vt/ uses it's influence for good.
>>29418015There are no viewers for the EU time slot because there is no EU audience. Anyone who watches streams in that time slot are just people from other places watching it late or early, it can never succeed as a time slot
>>29418001>All outWhat do you mean their debuts seem as equally advertised as the 2 previous ones
>>29418001really anon?
>>29418015no market since its the same people who will still watch them even outside eu prime hours
>>29417751so this proves that nijis are sheep that would rather watch bottom tier shit scraping content right? according to nijikeks themselves
>>29418072It took dozens of clips from JP during the onset of the vtubing boom to make Hololive so popular in the EN scene. The Stars boys do not have the luxury of entering a vacant market nor debuting during peak CCVID
Will Salome stream today?
>>29418015That would mean there is no viable market there since its the same group of people who watches the streams regardless if its EU primetime or not
Holy shit last thread at least bother to read fucking live numbers wth is even the point of this place if people don't even bother to do that?!
>>29417422And that's one of the ways Nijisanji farm vod views and why nijiniggers here are adamant vod view copers.Vod views is a pay to win metric so it's not ideal for comparison with the other boxes. Only chinks prefer this over ccv.
>>29417749to be fair it's a guerilla too. she has fall guys stream later, memb only
>>29417658NijiEn has really declined huh
>>29417856Any good 2-3view niji I should saviourfag?
>>29418197Its a logical way of getting your name out there and getting viewsIf cover was smart they would do the exact same thing
>>29417702The fact that Niji fans don't use NijiEN6 for troll posts against StarsEN shows how these new Nijis completely failed to meet expectations.
>>29418351Yeah, iLuna didn't do as well as they expected
>>29418097>>29418121>>29418175And you know this because? There's a large weeb community in EU, who's to say that they're not a viable market? There's Dokomi which showed interest in Holo, and France holds Japan Expo.
>>29418001You're not wrong so idk why people think you're shitposting. More exposure = more chances at retaining tourists.However, I think Tempus's positive reception will help them grow in the future too. The initial numbers are higher than expected, but there's still a lot of Holofans who have not checked them out yet and potential "audience stealing" from NijiEN males when they aren't streaming.>cover not advertising Stars at all I don't think they would've helped. StarsEN looked like a joke when they got revealed so I'm not sure if the ads would've been positively received. Clips of how funny Magni and Vesper are are much better promotional material than Niji-like ads.
>>29418256tried to saviourfag them but some of them are worse than the 2 and 1views im currently saviourfagging i didnt unsub but i wont be watching them anymore
>>29418396Scarle unfortunately has the worst gaming interest for streaming.
>>29417749It's good that Kobo is ambitious enough unlike Hana who doomed her ID group.
>>29418383>And you know this because?It is common knowledge and common sense.>There's a large weeb community in EUNo, there isn't. There is no one in the EU who watches Vtubers.>who's to say that they're not a viable market?The facts are that there is no demand for Vtubers in the EU, this is self evident by the complete lack of any EU fans>There's Dokomi which showed interest in Holo>France holds Japan ExpoAll people from outside the EU, actual EU natives do not attend these events.
>>29418475Doomed it how?
>>29418496Well, they don't exist anymore, for one
>>29417546I think it's a good idea. I don't think the entire anime community has been tapped yet. Traditional ads can be helpful.
>>29418351ILuna?More like Lunaito's buthole
>>29418383>And you know this because?because their indie vtuber market is dead? doesnt matter if you have a large weeb community if those weebs dont want to watch vtubers or are already watching hololive even if its not eu primetime hours then a shift to eu primetime is useless since you can get the same audience outside of it
>>29418512You were implying that she was directly responsible for that
>>29418448Yeah I mean, her main content is going VN type games so it'll be hard to retain them, but it is an objective fact that more exposure gives more likelihood of retention and iLUMA had much bigger debuts than Tempus.We're actually going to be in bizarro world in a few months where Tempus will have competitive CCV with iLUMA, but iLUMA will have much higher subcounts.
>>29418496She was the most successful of them, the only one who qualified for 3D and she not only turned it down but deliberately fucked her numbers to the point she went from close with pre Kobo HoloID to a 3 digit streamer
>>29417751> compare to HoloEN> lose> compare to HoloID> lose> compare to StarsEN> loseat this rate NijiEN will only have StarsJP to compare themselves to.and they might lose even that soon
>>29418496If she accepted her 3D model without being some moralist "i won't until everyone can get it together" she probably could have given the exposure the rest needed for that to even be a possibility
Interesting image I spotted on Reddit, I'm suprised the MC streams are so close to eachother, also Ame and Ina literally having the same amount of ER streams.
>>29418592>>29418571Lmao retard move
>>29418495>No, there isn't. There is no one in the EU who watches Vtubers.>The facts are that there is no demand for Vtubers in the EU, this is self evident by the complete lack of any EU fansAnd do you have anything to back up your claims?>All people from outside the EU, actual EU natives do not attend these events.Oh shit, didn't know that those people who attended Dokomi weren't germans, Japan Expo in France must be a lie and all those manga sales are doctored numbers
>>29417856Literal 2 views kek.As much as we hate Anycolor for being a black company, we really can't fault them for not supporting all their talents. Making merch for these non-performers just ain't profitable.
>>29418383I mean if you check the vtubing scene in EU that huge weeb community that your are talking about doesnt translate well to vtubersReason why niji and hololive expanded into indo in the first place was because they had an active vtuber market same with niji expanding into kr. Their most ambitious project NijiIN failed because there was no thriving market in IN which has an almost identical scene in EU
>>29418541Well yes, she was the breakout hit of nijiID the same way Coco and Pikamee was, and she squandered it all away because she "doesn't want to be in the spotlight", right down to refusing a 3d model because she wants the entire branch to get it at the same time. As a result of that the NijiID branch continued to languish in obscurity and she lost any momentum that she had. Fast forward to 2022 and the NijiID branch only exists because nijisanji doesn't want to deal with the bad PR of firing them all. All this could be prevented if Hana had the actual ovaries to seize the moment when it presented itself instead of shying away from it
>>29418256If you spend any amount of time in those streams you will understand why they have those numbers.
It's been a while since i have seen numbers
>>29418759>King of CCV of nijien lost to fucking MoriiiiiiiiiAAAAAAAA
Pre-primetime /news/ update for 28-07-2022 (all times are in JST)> Suisei and Daisuke Shinozawa(NHK) will be the MCs for NHK radio's "VTuber Radio" program on August 12th at 11pm. Hizuki Yui from Neo Porte will be appearing as a guest (https://twitter.com/yui_hizuki/status/1552219743121117184).).> "Animate" Cafe collabs again with NijiEN (3rd to 30th August) (https://twitter.com/animate_cafe/status/1552489037591900160).). Collab food menu and limited run merch released.> Youtube Premium JP Ad includes Aqua's original song "Aquairo Palette" (https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1552474022239240194).).> New NijiEN beach themed voice pack "Ocean Breeze" released (https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1552473922267803648).).> Laplus and Shion Apex Legends Mobile sponsored stream at 7pm (https://youtu.be/as64HN0bnus).).> Tokino Sora new hairstyle reveal at 9pm (https://youtu.be/ck18r0OBBIM).).> Mayuzumi Kai from Nijisanji graduating today (no frame yet).Previous : >>29359673
Since this thread is currently actually doing something other than shit itself, I may as well continue to focus the discussion on the EU dilemma. To illustrate, I will provide you with the following image and help you understand what the EU problem is... alignment.>too late for Asians to serve reliably without fucking over their home market>too early for Americans to serve reliably without taking time from their daily activities offlineUnder these circumstances, you need talent that can explicitly work on these hours, but Cover seems unable to find talent that is willing to do so either because they don't apply or they get drowned out by the horse from everywhere else. There is also the possibility that they do find the talent, but they are unwilling to make the choice of recruiting because the numbers just don't add up in their eyes. Remember, they do have demographic data straight from YouTube so they should know how much market interest there is for EU chuubas to assess viability. They also have the one EU chuuba that has a... less than stellar record trying to court the market (even if she is being a complete retard about it).
>>29418669Your point would be better made if you weren't so absurdly hyperbolic about it.
>>29418607I'm surprised Ina had 15 MHR streams wtf.She did that many?
>>29418475>ambitious only on her mouth, she keeps debuffing now
>>29418829>Suisei and Daisuke Shinozawa(NHK) will be the MCs for NHK radio's "VTuber Radio" program on August 12th at 11pm. Hizuki Yui from Neo Porte will be appearing as a guestIs this permanent or one-time only?
>>29418525>because their indie vtuber market is dead? doesnt matter if you have a large weeb community if those weebs dont want to watch vtubersThese indie vtubers are going to compete with the JP market which are viable in their timezone? And maybe there hasn't been really a vtuber who was able to capture the EU market?>are already watching hololive even if its not eu primetime hoursSo what is it then? Is there an audience who would watch them in those timeslots or not?
These EN numbers are just sad, is the only way they can get good numbers is through minecraft?
As somebody who plays Project Sekai I have no idea how Kobo can clear Expert songs on anything less than 10 speed, lol. Looks like note vomit to me on anything slower than 10.
>>29418847I just gave up on watching english vtubers and started watching JP after Fauna started to push her stream time even further into the night.
>>29418759I'm sad Mori only has 6k with the Quarry. She got 11k with the last ep but took too long since the last stream I guess, it's been almost a month.I wanted more of the EN girls to play this game, but it seems like it's a debuff now.
>>29418829RABYU RABYU
>Maria already peaked>4/6 Iluna MAGGEDStill have to see what they all look like a 2 or 3 months from now but StarsEN vs wave 6 has been surprisingly competitive, save for Ren who has the potential to be Luxiem tier
>>29418865how am i being hyperbolic? NijiIN was actually a very ambitious one since IN only had a little vtubing scene compared to the rest of their expansions
>>29418906https://www.nhk.jp/p/vr-radio/rs/6N87LJL8ZM/NHK site says "一夜限りのスペシャル番組"So it seems that it's only for one night.
>>29418847Even with a much smaller market, at some point you'll get better returns serving it that creating overlap hell elsewhere. Even if you're just getting more time in the day of Americans who have nothing else going on in their lives, and an aspiration to build a bigger local audience.
>>29418336It's opportunity cost kind of thing.Hololive doesn't need ads since its community is large enough it's doing good publicity for them way better than the ads ever could for free.
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>>29418964Interesting how after mentioning Tempus, she went from 11k -> 6kI'm not going to say anything about it... but it's interesting... Really makes you think...
>>29418969… could Magni actually have gotten 6k if he streamed longer or is that cope?
>>29418847Even if their EU streams don't pan out, they'll collect the data and figure out where to go from there.
>>29418978The European scene is far bigger than India, which had and has nothing.
What went right?
>>29418383Anime viewers =/= chuuba viewersA shonenfag won't watch CGDCT anime let alone streamers. Mangafags won't tolerate shit rigging. And these EU anime watchers are dub only faggots. They consume Anime in their own languages and no other. There's a reason the chuubas out of EU don't pander to the EU market like Saruei who shits on French or the VShojo whores who only gets their panties wet for Americans.
>>29418922You should have seen when Gura played it. She was playing on 5 speed and it was giving me anxiety, lmao. So fucking slow.
>>29417322If Ina's audience was Euro then her superchat would consist of more than 10% Euro/GBP donations.
>>29419048Shut the fuck up retard. Mori has been collabing with and shouting out starsJP since 2020.
>>29419056Small chance
>>29419096There's a difference between collabing with Stars JP and Stars EN
>>29419048And salome went from 36k to 20k playing this game. Game is an ass>>29419056
>>29419056Unlikely desu
>>29418829aniplus getting complaints about holocafe in kr lol. They really underestimated demands.
>>29418908>These indie vtubers are going to compete with the JP market which are viable in their timezone?These indie european vtubers are/were catering to the eu timezone but shifted to other timezones because it was not viable>So what is it then? Is there an audience who would watch them in those timeslots or not?That audience would still watch them regardless if its eu time or not and since >>29418847 shows that eu time is a shitty time for jp and sea audiences then it would be better to cater to jp time rather than eu time since those eu audiences will still watch them in jp time regardless
>>29419096>collabing with and shouting out starsJPShouting out maybe a tad, but the amount of collabs has been surprisingly lackluster considering how she is
>>29419096The only retard here is you for replying to obvious bait
>>29419056It's sadly cope, he was stalling at 5k since the first 10 minutes. You could say that maybe the minecraft viewers would funnel to him, but from yesterday, I think the boys only got 100-200 from the big Rust collab.
>>29418847Yeah, seems like it's a pretty bad dilemma. Not only they need to find the talents, they also need to find the management who's active during those hours.
>>29419092Even Kiara basically gets 0 euro donations.So either Europeans somehow are the greediest, stingiest jews on the planet (more so than actual POORFAG countries), or they don't actually fucking watch anyone because nobody in the EU cares about vtubers.
Homobeggars and their delusional massive numbers are unironically ruining the thread, we are fighting for 50k ccv days before their debut sea hours or not but now since a homo reached 5k ccv in his debut buff month, it's the end of the world for both nijien and holoen jesas
>>29419056Depends, do you think he could've caught a funnel from Mubae? Hard to say at the moment
>>29418908>>29419010It's a complete waste of time to stream in the EU time slot because all you're doing is excluding potential viewers from NA or JP. There are no EU viewers, so there's no reason not to stream in NA or JP time slots instead
>>29419159It's becoming a trope at this point. Hololive being seen as an underdog
>>29419067>And these EU anime watchers are dub only faggots. They consume Anime in their own languages and no other.Speak for yourself faggot, you have a lot of assumptions there, subs > dubs
>>29417856Muyu getting less than the fucking VTA channel streams... oh no.
>>29418847EU primetime is a pretty shitty time since it already filters your core fanbase and add to the fact that indie euro vtubers usually die out faster than NA or SEA ones means that theres more risk to that market than rewards
>>29418847Back when I watched a lot of Twitch streamers I remember some meta discussion from decently sized people (2k+) that there were two strategies to stream time. Either you attacked the biggest audience slot and tried to duke it out in primetime, or you picked a slot none of your competitors were in and what little overlap happened to you would be as you were wrapping up.I don't know if the EN vtuber audience is big enough for this effect yet but the effect definitely exists. As long as there are gaping gaps in NA primetime there's no point to it, so it depends if we reach overlap every single day or not.
>>29417511This is the Kizuna Ai of ID:https://youtube.com/c/MayaPutri200k subs in 2019 when neither Hololive or Nijisanji expanded overseas and most of their chuuba were still <100k.If the market you shill has a vtuber rivaling or even better than those big JP corpos, then you can talk about expanding the branch to yours.
Uto with 2.5k on Twitch
Is there a reason EU is so hostile to vtubers besides timezone issues?
>>29418969Really funny how Niji fans doomposted brotuber's market and Cover once again proved them wrong.
>>29419220Judging from last time, I doubt it, seems like they’ve actually created their own box.
Just finished work, did Mumei get good numbers today? I'll check the archives later
>>29419067even indie chuubas that are based in eu pander to non eu timesreally tells you something about that market when their homegrown talent wont even stream in their primetime
>>29419159You know you've made it when people fucking start picketing your store for not having enough products in stock. The guys running this thing are probably pulling their hair out while also smiling from ear to ear as they think about all the profits. They're going to have Cover's number on speed dial from now on.
>>29419281Very good, got 14k while overlapping with Bae without kneecapping her and they both inclined.Rare day where we have 2 concurrent 10k+ HoloEN streams and neither of them are Gura.
>>29418964She took forever to get back to it, sadly. Im still watching it though and its been a blast.
>>29419159IT KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING
>>29419277I still don't fully believe in it. I don't think the anime avatar does anything to buff men. That said, the Holo exposure was probably worth it for these guys, they should be getting better numbers than their previous personas.
>>29419159I hope Cover and whoever they partner with stop underestimating themselves, you can afford at this stage to go all out
>>29419274No tipping culture
>>29419066Nonstop fujo baiting and identity politics discussions gets stale eventually.HoloID provides comfy streams without all those twitch culture toxicity.
>Predict on Kiara rapes Nabi mama?https://youtu.be/v0P66wRbIWo
>>29419382They are getting better livestream numbers, but for someone like Magni, he already peaked on his roommate.Magni is never going to get millions of views on meme lecture videos like his roommate.
>>29419382Axel is constantly dumbfounded in stream, the poor guy had it rough as a below 1k before
>>29419258Only proves my point that EU is more dead since pre-niji and holo ID has better numbers than the current eu indie vtuber scene
>>29419402Do you think the problem is that they still have a small business mindset?
Here are some numbers for you, according to haachama yesterday, she used to be 48kgs and now is 53kgs assumingly from stress eating due to university, say something nice about this slampig
>>29419203Nijiseethe
>>29419450Magni peaked in youtube videos, not on streaming i was around before and Magni has, for the moment, better ccv.
I can't wait for orange man and orange woman to go head-to-head tonight since it's also a jp vs kr proxy war
>>29419274None, anons just don't want EU to become a market for some ass backward reason.
>Voltaction getting sub 2k numbers>Salome reclining beneath 30k and soon to be 20k because of how bad her game selection is>Ranunculus already dead>5/6 of wave 6 doing badly in debut week (Badly as in they aren't able to retain viewers, their numbers when compared to other members is good but it's debut buff)>2/4 of Uproar doing bad, the other two doing okayish>ID3 doing amazing, Gura-like star>StarsEN doing amazing when compared to their branchAside from that, HoloX hasn't shown sides of being low tier members like RBC and Choco who is sub 4k. 4/5 of HoloX could hit 10k+ reliably as compared to most of Nijisanji new members in 2021/2022.
>>29419448Buffed by starved Nabi fans, nerfed into the ground by being JP/KR.
>>29419474Architect bros, rejoice
>>29419437>cultureWith a diverse culture with a lot of languages, there won't be any EU specific chuba that will be able to penetrate it as a whole, not when they can catch JP as well
>>29416997JULY 2022 GOLDS1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka14) Pekora (Hololive) - 52,050 - Pekorone Mario Race15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,696 - New outfit reveal22) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 90,186 - 3D debut23) Luna (Hololive) - 52,218 - New outfit reveal24) Okayu (Hololive) - 64,102 - 3D live25) Ren (Nijisanji) - 90,269 - Debut stream26) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 57,593 - Niji Koshien practice27) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 109,388 - 600k subs celebration totsumachi>PER COMPANY14x: Hololive12x: Nijisanji1x: Indie>PER STREAMER6x: Pekora2x: Kuzuha, Mayuzumi1x: AZKi, Gwelu, Ibrahim, Luna, Maimoto, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Okayu, Ren, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa
>>29419474Hope she goes on a break to focus on her studiesFailing 80% of your classses is not a joke
>>29419463I'm reinforcing your point, when I say you I mean other anons who read the reply.
>>29419448Kiara's great at creating buff events for herself but has a huge problem converting the tourists to regular viewers.
>>29419504>ass backward reason>even though local eu chuubas already proved that theres no market there
>>29419501Yeah no Axel is going to get btfo. Can’t see too many japs watching him, even if his Japanese is excellent.
>>29419504There is no EU market, I just want Holos to save themselves from disappointment when they inevitably discover that it was a hopeless endeavor
>>29419532>With a diverse culture with a lot of languages, there won't be any EU specific chuba that will be able to penetrate it as a wholeWe all speak english, even the french do if you bully them enough they just pretend not to.
>>29419557Retarded eurobeggars still keep shilling their mythical market even though it is non existent
>>29419580He's FOTM, he's foreign, and he's pandering to JP. I could see 6k
>>29419402Well better to play it safe than overshoot and have the excess taking storage, no? Technically it's their first time dipping into the KR market so they need to gauge how well will it sell first.
>>29419474BROTHER SHE FAILED 5 CLASSES OUT OF 11, AND ACCORDING TO HER SHE USED TO BE AN HONORS STUDENT DURING THE 1ST YEARshe pays her tuition with her own money as well, her parents DON'T want her to go kek
>>29418866I've checked and one stream is listed twice, but yeah, 14 streams of MHR - one was even with Pochi-sensei. This game is such a turnoff for me, that as a Tako I forgot about all those streams.
>>29419580>Can’t see too many japs watching himofc, even japs don't watch starsjp lmao, they would watch holos instead
>>29419334Yeah games like this are a reaction goldmine, but looking at her numbers, I feel like people here would be bitching if Gura or Pekora streamed it. Speaking of which Botan got wrecked by this game too.>Stream 1: 10,900/15,850https://holo.poi.cat/stream/V0oD4GtHUD4>Stream 2: 7,213/9,345https://holo.poi.cat/stream/yFQw6u4Ny_8>Stream 3: 7,409/9,306https://holo.poi.cat/stream/EyVFQVH2Moo>Stream 4: 7,230/8,965https://holo.poi.cat/stream/75iRLPT-5jMIt takes a pretty huge debuff for Botan to not get 10k and most of these peaks are only because she caught a funnel from another holo.
>>29419580How long is the homo gartic phone collab anyways? He might get the funnel from there.
>>29419601As long as no permanent damage is done they can throw the occasional stream at EU to collect data. Numbers should approve of the vtubers probing new markets.
This month is gonna end at 14-15 with Sana holding the line on the 31st. If Sana gets gold, we finally get another good finale to a #'s arc like massacre of October. If it ends with 14-16 with niji winning on the 31st, nijifags would still get embarassed for almost losing the monthly gold when it's koshien.
>>29419274>>29419504>why is /#/ against vtubers streaming in a timezone that historically gives you bad /#/I dont know anon you tell me
>>29419533I didn't realize that Salome only got 1 gold this month, last month she was the backbone of Niji gold
>>29419701I was asking more why Vtubing has failed in Europe.
>>29419633He’s stars and stars perform like shit in JP, I can’t see him getting over 3k if that
>>29419518predict a number you fucking coward
>>29419327is it possible that koreans are scalping the merch too? Cover is popular enough to have merch scalped
>>29419402At this point I wonder if it's due to minimizing the risk or contracts with the sub-supplier.
>>29419755You can't scalp cake
>>29419262How does she even have an audience still? People make fun of Aqua, Ayame, Gura, and Sana (RIP) for not streaming a lot but this bitch ACTUALLY disappears without warning for months at a time. Not only that, her entire fanbase is due to leeching off Ame and abusing tags to get assocated with Hololive. What kind of retard continues to watch Uto? It's even more pathetic than the people who watch not-Rushia
>>29419742I'm going for 12k. The nabi's are starving.
>>29419580I feel like 3k is doable, but not expecting much more.Regis kinda flopping today has tempered my expectations after Vesper surprised me this morning.
>>29419755NijiEN merch also get scalped
>>29419402Anon, it's better to have artificial supply shortages than excesses for optics. Encouraging your customers to line up for your products is good for business.
>>29419755Scalpers exist everywhere. When there's limited goods there's scalpers.
>>29419725mostly because the population that want vtubers there isnt able to sustain their vtubing scenealso euro meta is different from na and jp meta from what i can tell its fifa lootbox spamming
>>29419281Split 25k viewers between her and Bae with basically an ID guided Minecraft tour. Pretty good I'd say.
>all this EU sperging>EU primetime just before it hits evening are the worst hours for /#/>When EU wakes up is also kinda pretty shitty>Blames SEA instead when historically any online space with high french and Spanish pops is garbageI'm calling it, outside the obvious ID Facebook fags, which are pretty easy to spot, most of our annoying shitposting schizos are probs euroshitters.
>>29419755yeah anon let me just go scalp a cup of gura juice
>>29419785but why is the population so small? Is there a cultural factor there that prevents EU weebs from embracing vtubing?
>>29419633his Japanese is so good the best among holo gaijin
>>29419793Regis flopping was expected, newbie at ASMR
>>29419785leeching is actually a viable tactic thats why a lot of people use it
>>29419601Hololive doesn't even need a local market at that time, it has a box. Ina does well enough, Kiara is doing better than she did at JP times, and it doesn't really matter if the viewers are American or SEA or whatever. An individual only has so many hours in the day, so if an audience is willing to watch then it's better overall than everyone contesting for the Gura slot, particularly when they add in and 5 chuubas.And maybe they will actually find something to grow with at some point too.
>>29419451>below 1k beforeAnon, his best VOD had like 10k VOD views. He was definitely a 2view.
>>29419849>not scalping gura juicengmi anon
>>29419862>Anya and IRyS exists
>>29418964She also had to start an hour late due to computer hort. I have noticed though that her CCV usually picks up a bit and gets closer to the peak if she streams all the way into JP prime time
>>29419843I already realized that a month ago when the intern shitposter was doing eu/ruski hours
>Ollie approaching 5k with minecraft, which is like 2x her usual numbers. All the IDs are getting buffed for touching minecraft these days.Time to start liking minecraft, Kobo.
>>29419633>6kAnon, the JP Stars first fucking off collab didn't even get 2k. Please stop being retarded.
>>29419870Wrong. It's a complete waste of time. Even if there's a much more heavily tapped audience in NA times, continuing to tap that time slot is still better than streaming in EU time because at least there is an NA audience, there is no EU audience. Better to maximize the capture rate for an audience that exists to try squeezing blood from a stone by streaming in EU
>>29419935>>Anya and IRyS existsreal japanese and half japanese
>>29419935>Anya>gaijinAyame is more of a gaijin than anya
>>29419983How unambitious.
>>29419281Mumei was good and capped out at 14k but I'm more surprised at Bae who kept her viewership and didn't lose any to Mumei after she started.
>>29419633>6kIf that retard gets 4k I will eat my shit. That’s my bet.
>>29420023how did that work out of NijiIN?
>>29419975NTA, but JP/EU(?) are aware of StarsEN.Axel got 9k with Apex in JP time last time from curious Apexfags/JP viewers and retained them for the whole hour.At this point, expecting StarsJP numbers from StarsEN is silly even if people might be expecting too much from them now.
>>29420023It's realistic. Anyone can tell you that EU just has no audience to speak of for Vtubers, there's no point in even attempting to pander to them
>>29419184>they also need to find the management who's active during those hoursYou have found one of the more important problems in all of this. For American chuuubas, all a Japanese corporate drone needs to do is wake up as if they were going to commute long and turn the computer on and they will be able to tard-wrangle their retarded Americans and even setup meeting by noon time JST. Europeans on the other hand are double-fucked because Japanese simply will have trouble accommodating them without interfering with this otherwise simple process like they would for Americans (even the EST ones have better timezone alignment than all of EU).
Minecraft has turned into a really strong buff game for ID
>>29419935
>>29420052remember Tempus and iluna still in honeymoon phase
What started off looking like a very good day for Anycolor's stock resulted in a small loss for the day.
>>29419965Kobo already said that she refuses to play Minecraft
>>29420106I mean, I'm not saying he'll get 9k again, but I'm pretty confident in all of them getting at least 2k (altho Regiboy had me sweatin a bit today)
>>29420117Isnt the market overall shitting itself today? specially when opec announced it would curb new oil supplies and that brics is dickwaving again with a new reserve currency?
>>29420052They spoke fucking English in the Apex stream anon. Of course you should expect JP Stars numbers when it's a Japanese only zatsudan.
>>29420117I'm still baffled that a anime avatar streaming company is valued at 1.9 billion USD.
>>29420161I think he can get 6k+ if he does karaoke
>>29419965Kobo is in the newer younger zoomer generation that doesnt like minecraft
>>29419159HOLOKR FUCKING WHEN
>>29420052Yeah, that's how I was feeling when I said 6k. I don't think Axel's a 6k streamer, but I do think at least SOME people from Holo's massive JP audience would be curious about this sudden breakout Star (by comparison to JP Stars members) and would tune in to speak Japanese. The fact that he's not native Japanese makes it all the more interesting. Easterners love it when foreigners speak their language, though it's not like he can always do it to maintain ccv. It'll get 6k for the novelty of it
>>29420205Sadly he said he is keeping it until a "Special Occasion" which is likely monetization
>>29420045Prepare your tableware anon
>>29419849it's precious stuff
Why no EST holoENs?
>>29420259No fucking way he’s THIS retarded
>>29419682I mean 10-2 to Holo victory with a different Holo for every gold was pretty good
>>29420295He is literally the himbo of the group, guy is dumb as rocks.
>>29420272Not happening lmao
>>29420292Kronii streamed at like 6 PM Eastern today didn't she? Can't get much more time zone friendly than that.
>>29419843Nice deflection pagpag eater
>>29420045even though they are faggots, but i agree their voices are goodhope for axel singing some DOSE song, donten is fine
>>29420292Gura is literally the most EST friendly HoloEN
>>29420045Make it 2k. If Retard dog gets 2k I'll suck my own dick and live stream it
>>29419402Honestly man, I wouldn't really rag on them for this. Myth clips generate numbers, sure, but it's really difficult for anyone outside of Korea to judge just how much support they might have among REAL people, who would go out of their way to visit shops and get collab merch for you.This is their first ever endeavor into Korea, so I wouldn't fault them for being conservative about it. Better to have sold everything out than have to bargain bin merch.They'll also have a better idea for demand the next time they do a collab. and will likely get overshot again lol
>>29420295Combining first time karaoke with monetization opening stream would get him a shit ton of superchat. It's not a bad idea.
>>29420186To be fair, it's a suspicious black box considering Tazumi's familial connections and whatnot. It's over-valued by at least 2x.
>>29419869It's viable, but Uto's way of going about it was definitely misleading and manipulative at the time. Yet, people were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt despite her nebulous claims of it being the fault of some "unspecified company" that was backing her. I mentioned all this for context, but what I'm really wondering is how the hell this many people continue to watch someone who has no regard for their audience at all and has disappeared for 3-5 months without any warning MULTIPLE TIMES.
>>29420402Yeah but damn he must not care about numbers. What a fag
>>29419862https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OWnMFcP1V0he confident with her japanese
>>29420451He's a 2views anon, same as regis and vesper...
>>29420451When you go from a 2view to a 4view with 100k subs in less than a week, it's hard to care that much about maximizing potential numbers.
>>29419601You can tell that there is no market for europe when Nijisanji of all companies doesnt even want to invest there and this is the company that invested in india of all places. That alone speaks volumes of the viability of the european market
>>29420451I would say he does care about numbers. But wants to make a big splash and cash it all in at once. Only time will tell if his approach is good or bad.
>people said vtubers wouldn't sell in Korea>Ame and Myth paved the way and made vtubers popular in Korea>people are now saying vtubers won't sell in EuropeGet ready to eat your words when holoEN penetrates that market in a few months
Couple of threads back there was a discussion about the VTubing industry as a whole and Anycolor's business practice in particular.It's an interesting topic so I'd like to bring it up again.Anycolor's shotgun approach seems to have worked so far when looking through a purely profit-based lens, since most of the new livers start off with a 1.0 Live2D so there's very little expense, and almost all the new debuts in the past year have had debut merch.If a new wave releases and makes a good impression on at least a few hundred people enough to get them to buy their debut merch, then the cost of hiring the artists, riggers and maybe giving a phone for the talent will usually be covered within a few days.This means that the rest of the liver's career, however long or short it may be, will continue to generate only profit for Anycolor.I would say this is what allows them to shotgun waves like no tomorrow, since the cycle of "new debut --> debut merch --> profit" does not look like it's going to stop anytime soon.But I'd like to discuss the question of "when would it stop?" because it's interesting to think about.In the western sphere, "speak with your wallet" is a popular idiom. And even though 90% of the time it doesn't work out because of the existence of the casual audience, there ARE times that things have gotten so bad that even casual audiences have given up. Morbius, the western comic industry and to a lesser extent, Star Wars and the latest Marvel phase are good examples.For the JP audience, I'm not sure this has ever happened. The JP economy as a whole tumbled during the 90's but I can't recall any particular instance of a big JP company shoving low quality shit at the audience and reclining because of it (other than maybe literal scam artists). Competition, sure. But as most of you know, Anycolor and Hololive have different market approaches, and aren't aiming for the same audience.How badly would Anycolor have to fuck up for their casual audience to stop feeding this cycle? Is it even possible for the cycle to stop? Or will it continue until the proverbial Nijisanjification where every VTuber is Nijisanji?
>>29420388Do you happen to know of a mercari-like site for Korea? I'd be curious in gauging how much the cafe collab Holo EN merch is getting scalped for in general.
>>29420436Still, wouldn't that valuation would open up the floodgates for capital into the vtubing industry?I guess we'll see when the share lockup expires?
From what I can tell, never trust # when they try to predict or doompost something.How can a place known for numberfagging be so wrong so many times?
>>29419633It would also be a good indication of how many EOPs have blended into the JP audience, since they will have no qualms about watching a JP only stream.
>>29420517Niji EN has like, what 4 or 5 Europeans in it though, doesn't it?
>>29420556>people said vtubers wouldn't sell in Koreathe people who said that are retarded since korea has a pretty vibrant indie vtubing scene unlike europe where even their homegrown eu chuubas switch to NA primetime since EU primetime is dead
>>29420618I’ve never been more confident in anything in my life. Dog is NOT getting 4k on a JP only stream. It’s not happening
>>29420618The actual reason will surprise youBecause most people here actively say shit they know is stupid to bait or gaslight the people who would argue against it
Yo is VSPO a thing or something? Why are so many people watching them?
>>29416997Fuck... the QUALITY on those feets!
Ollie 5k...niji en....it's over.....
>>29420575something called "bunjang" apparently, am not Korean so cannot confirm.
>>29419159>Aniplus x Myth collab selling outWhere is that retard that claimed Lamy was more popular than Ame now?
>>294206413 out of the 4 streams in cn prime time and nina is a collab baby
>>29420641And even then they dont pander to Europeans since they know theres nothing to pander. It speaks volumes when nijisanji doesnt even try to pander or expand to that market and instead pander to the latin/kr/indo and even in community
>>29420656They were going off NijiKR
>>29420558sorry, civilized conversation won't happen until the next 9 hours, you know..it's the time
>>29420497What's up with people using her and she pronouns for the homoEN boys? Are we being visited by DeepL-using nihonjins from 5ch?
>>29420692No, they're not a thing, anon. It's all just a figment of your imagination. Please seek mental help.
>>29420517Given Nijisanji's track record, I'm still baffled why anyone would trust their ability in venturing to new markets.
>>29420713Just because Cover understocked their merch to hide how unpopular Myth is doesn't mean Myth is actually popular, ENshart
>>29420739when you want to look at how healthy and viable a vtubing market is you usually look at the local indies there and judging by eu local indie scene its pretty much dead
>>29417158Tell that to Luxiem or EU indies streaming to 8k.
>>29420733>he doesn't trust the planSee you in 2023 when holoEN goes viral in Europe and dominates the European streaming scene
>>29420558Maybe when Anicolor literally can't expand their nijibox and the number of chuubas overwhelm the number of new viewers.
>>29420754makes more sense than saying they are SEA or chink>it happen more>not shit talk them
>>29420618Nijiniggers, anon. These people actually exist.
>>29420818THERE ARE NO EU INDIES STREAMING IN EU TIMETHERE IS NO EU AUDIENCE
>>29420784Show me where a gen 5 cafe sold out, go on, I'll wait
>>29417190Holobabs are so gay.
About EU market, here is a good benchmark for it, using an example adjacent to vtubers: the highest grossing anime movie everhttps://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-05-26/demon-slayer-film-record-global-box-office-broken-down-by-region/.173139Three things about it1) Korea outranked EU in both revenue and attendance 2) LATAM outranked EU in both revenue and attendance 3) SEA outranked EU in both revenue and attendance 4) AUZ-NZ, with a smaller attendance, outranked EU in revenue That should give an idea of the size (or lack thereof) of the EU market for this type of products
Is ID having a fucking Renaissance or something? Ollie has almost 6k viewers? What the fuck am I looking at?
>>29420558The company continues to make money at the expense of their talents. It's a bad business decision. Cover didn't do it, yet they still dominate the market.
>>29420893Kobo saved ID, where have you been?
>>29420641Ike is swedish, but he streams at 7pm jst for god knows why. He could stream at EU primetime but didn't
>>29420798If Hololive had taken that approach they never would have bothered launching Myth
>>29420893Minecraft buff
>>29420558>How badly would Anycolor have to fuck up for their casual audience to stop feeding this cycle?As you said, it only takes them days to weeks to make back what they invest on debuting a new wave. There are barely any negative drawbacks to debuting more and "diluting" the brand, people already don't care to follow every Niji. People don't think 3views make the Niji brand look bad because they don't even know the 3views in Niji.I think it'll hurt when vtubing dies and they have like 100+ deadweights, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Cover and Anycolor are both extremely profitable right now.
>>29417749Link to the interview? Is that the one with the Kobo cosplayer?
>>29420916based kobo. sadly she's reclining hard now, but atleast people can thank her as the hero of ID now.
How did one single scheduled EU stream cause this much seething, holy fuck.
>>29420881HoloKR next, then. EU and Latin are poor.
>>29420929He knows where are the numbers at
>>29420962Talent first, Company second is still a better strategy than anycolor's company first, talent second
>>29420558JP audiences love to it shit you can see it in the anime scene where shit like naruto bleach and onepiece was the most popular anime and manga and even shit like nisekoi was considered to be a masterpiece by japsthats why its no surprise that theyre taste in vtubers are also shit when you can see that the top jp vtubers in all companies are bland and repetitive
>>29420893>Minecraft arc>Anya Moona Rust arc>Today Reine will have an announcement for ID2>Which will lead to their Independence day projectThe ID incline train is on full speed
>>29418066Explain Salome.
>>29420972Not really, she's just playing debuff games or do guerilla streams
>>29420893They are in a big minecraft arc.
>>29420984Upset nijiniggers afraid that Cover is going to repeat their success in foreign markets yet again where nijisanji has failed
>>29420893Many local anime events are already running in here, and the biggest one will happen in Septemberi can say hololive related stuff is naruto or snk tier now
>>29420939Myth is a failure by any rational metric, ENshart
how do they keep gettng into unrelated topics
>>29420818>EU indies streaming to 8k.Yeah streaming in NA prime time since they moved there after they tried streaming in eu hours
>>29420985>EU and Latin are poorTrue. Kobo did a karaoke at EU's primetime and their combined SC is not even top 5. They lost to ID/JP/TW/KR at 3AM and lost to burger too kek.
>>29420984>oneAnon, a Nowa-oji is trying to prove that the EU market is viable. Now Mumei is also moving in try court the same market. Kiara was already there, but she's a non-starter for most people so they want to see if it really does work.
>>29420558They'll stop when people stop wanting to be vtubers. Costs them almost nothing to give out a live2D avatar since they do the designing and rigging in-house.
>>29421060>naruto or snk tier nowHoly fucking shit
>>29421046Anon, playing debuff games is what lead to a recline. That's what happened with Kroni.
>>29418607>RedditGo backBut seriously tho Reddit nowadays is just /vt/ without the shitposting
>>29420939how so? pre-myth the en vtubing scene was pretty vibrant and alive even if you comapre it to the current eu indie sceneeven with vtubers inclining everywhere the eu scene is basically dead and the eu indies know that and thats why they stream in NA or even JP times rather than EU times
>>29420893EN is so shit people are moving to ID.
>>29421060you're underestimating them, they're at least demon slayer or spyxfamily tier while nijien's tier is at domestic no kanojo
>>29421072Is her left arm supposed to be a monstrosity?
>>29420961yes
>>29420825That's an eventuality, sure. But combining every "known" corpo VTuber there are already more than 300 of them.And Nijisanji in particular has around 150+ iirc.What number would it have to reach for it to be unsustainable?
>>29421072Because Twitter is biased in their favor, literally. It's honestly infuriating how advantaged Nijisanji is on Twitter by the Topic system, meanwhile Hololive doesn't have Topic even though they've trended #1 so many times
>>29420984see>>29419701unless of course your a nijifag who wants to shit on holo after they fail spectacularly in this eu experiment
>>29420893NijiID gave vtubers in indo a bad rap for being elitists. Now that they're gone, everyone is inclining again.
>>29421072>>29421197Can you pay for topics on twitter? Would that explain it?
>>29421130She will play Fall Guys (which is a good game for streaming and good for ID viewers) today but on membership stream, while she keep streaming debuff game on public. She's so retarded.
>>29420898>It's a bad business decisionNo it's a bad "moral" decision. Business-wise, profits (and general reputation) override everything else in most fields.We /here/ find it morally abhorrent but for the casual audience, it's simply another set of toys to play with.That's why the question is interesting, at what point would the "casual" audience stop feeding the cycle?
>>29421177It will never be unsustainable. If there truly is no "Niji box," then graduating a liver does not impact the overall viewership beyond that liver's audience. Furthermore, as people have mentioned, the cost of the model and equipment are easily recouped with day one supas. At this point, just debuting a liver will generate enough buzz and hype that even if they get 500 viewers, it will still provide profits for the company
Looks like the homos at Tempus fell off already. That was a short honeymoon period. I wonder when they'll turn into 3views
>>29420784>Cover understockedRetard
>>29421268>That's why the question is interesting, at what point would the "casual" audience stop feeding the cycle?If we base it on japs anime audience then never
>>29420984Niji fans doomposting Holos again.
>>29421177When one of nijis gets below 500 ccv, that's when it's unsustainable. Just look at voltaction or ranunculus dipping below 1k. Hajime, naruse and other livers had dipped below 500 ccv now. Hajime was the first wave, and he became a sub 200 ccv. Reimu/Petra could become a sub 500 ccv after 50 EN livers and the only ones surviving are the boys just because they aren't competing with HoloEN. Gura already claimed her throne, no other vtubers will come close to her.
>>29421197Twitter numbers are irrelevant anyway. Ads on twitters worth less than ads on twitch.
>>29421060quite agree.. i guessI follow many Indonesian cosplayers with good quality, and at least most of them have cosplayed as Hololive, but have never cosplayed as Niji.
>>29421252If Cover could pay for a topic, they would've done it a long time ago because even their talents are addicted to twitter.I've still yet to see any way for someone to pay for a twitter topic.Hell if people can pay for twitter topics, then gachikois would've paid for one already for their oshis.
>>29419048Well, don't, because there's enough retardation in this threadWe don't need you adding yours
Why kobo streaming at this time? She should stay put in ID primetime like all the blue powerhouse (gura and pekora).
>>29421170NijiId doesn't exist no more.
>>29421045what's there to explain? her vod views are about what I expect for their stream CCV and stream length
>>29419066Hag autism
>>29421373what time is it in Indonesia?
>>29421252yeah but not to twitter you go to a 3rd party for that>t. used to do it when i was streaming
>>29421177It already is mostly unsustainable. There comes a point where new debuts do not expand the viewing audience and starts eating away at the audience of everyone else, leading to infighting and tribalism among the fans, which inevitably leads to graduations and harassment.The brand getting weaker IS a problem, because once you've radicalized your fanbase then you're not getting them back when they leave. Sponsors won't be interested in a sea of 2views and 3views, nor will they want to be associated with the drama Nijisanji as a brand will eventually embroil itself in. Eventually Nijisanji will become such a joke that no one wants to join, those who do join all plan to leave, and everyone outside of Nijisanji has long since condemned it due to negative experience with it.
>>29419804I don't know a single person who's into that fifa shit. It's more competitive shooters and dota 2 than anything here. But I'm nordic so maybe it's different the more south you go.
>>294214263pm. school's out at 4pm
>>29421025Do you seriously believe that Cover is talent first? Seriously?
>>29421284>>29421322iirc Bleach was one manga where the casual audience got tired of it to the point that its rating fell by around 10-12 places.It was still profitable, sure, but it had lost the casual appeal.It's possible for the same thing to happen to Anycolor as well, but it would definitely be a Black Swan event for VTubing as a whole.
>29421295
Sonny gonna hit 5k. The Niji EN incline is real
>>29421453mostly a french/spanish thing if we go by streamers
>>29420984Burgers gonna burger.
>>29421453FIFA is the best selling game in Europe every year.
>>29421473compared to niji? sure
>>29421473NTA, just going to call you a retard for even asking that question.
>>29421224Not a nijifag. Just a bit baffled over how it seems people really WANT the EU to be a shit timeslot to stream at.wouldn't it be a good thing if they had more options and freedom instead of being restricted to a specific timeslot?
>>29421485now post the blue one's and the wide eye faggots numbers
>>29421489Playing kuukiyomi during JP times is the freeiest numbers a vtuber can get
>>29421445mayu and melissa could be the initial dominoesif more big name nijis start leaving then the cracks will be more visible to the casual viewers
>>29419281Good number (14k for moom, 12k for Bae)Also it turns into a surprise 5 people collab (Moom, Bae, Kaela, Zeta and Risu, surprise surprise)Also the end was absolutely kino, I never laugh that hard this week
>>29421469so those who are watching are 3k neet, interesting
>>29421544We don't 'want' anything, we just KNOW EU is a shit market with zero audience. Anyone sane would agree
>>29421055>FailedLOL. +200% profit this year. Such a failure.
>>29421445Salome is proving Nijisanji can leverage their large reach to create a monstrous streamer. What is Salome doing different? Is it just because she's more of an anime girl than other Niji streamers?
>>29420972>collab with males>recliningas expected
>>29421544Its not that people want eu to be a shit timeslot its the fact that eu is already a shit timeslot and yet euro's still keep pushing their untapped market meme when even their own local indie vtubers gave up on that timeslot
>>29421607Salome was botted, dumbass, she never had a real audience and was never actually successful
>>29421548Iluna and multiple Nijis getting STARSd today... its so over... You can stop with the ironic shitposting, faggot.
>>29421331For the liver, maybe. Like I mentioned though, the cost of the artist, rigging and iPhone can usually be covered by a few people buying debut merch (which are almost always cheap and easy to produce, so high profit margins).The EN debuts are getting higher and higher numbers, so this problem doesn't really apply to them, but the JP debut numbers have been dwindling since Edengumi.They had the highest Niji debuts (next to Salome) but were followed up by Ranunculus and Voltacion who had lower numbers.
>>29421544>wantno one wants anything but previous experiences and the eu indie vtubing scene is a good indicator of why eu would be a shit timeslot in the long run
>>29421607would you show Salome's reclining viewership graph to stakeholders and explain to them what happened
Why are these people leeching off Kobo? https://youtu.be/EqMgBhoR5GE
>>29421607>What is Salome doing different? IBeing more holo than niji which is what Nijisanji is shifting towards
>>29421445Says increasingly nervous Holo drone for the millionth time. Meanwhile in reality they doubled their income and tripled profits.
>>29421548Here's Magni
>>29421607only less than 2 months she already irrelevant
>>29421695NijiEN owakon
>>29421607Salome succeeded because Nijisanji got ridiculously lucky with the youtube algorithm and had a viral sensation fall into their lap, which they squandered as they always inevitably do with every opportunity they receive. Salome was a failure of epic proportions, not a success.
>>29421711Do you think Niji would succeed if they did a hololive type generation?
>>29421698she genuinely like kobo, talk about her in random point of her stream, when her viewer is not kobo's
>>29421659I mean thats only proof that the JP market is turning more shitty and might soon overtake EN shitty marketCompanies need to invest in EU right now to save vtubing
>>29419864I still hold out hope for Regis, hes seeking out feedback and has already incorporated some of it since debut. If nothing else hes a good at collabs
>>29421445This is an interesting point, because your theory is that it will be a "slow death" for them.They will continue the cycle and continue getting profits, but their long term prospects will be hurt, and profits might reduce a bit due to loss of sponsors.But if they kept up the same mentality, their finances would still be in the black.Casual audiences would have to stop buying debut merch for this to happen.I guess if it goes like you describe, where it's a slow and steady recline, then there might be several waves that are barely in the black, but one new wave will be in the red and at that point it will be irrecoverable?
>>29421695Damn, she's actually got .5% of her subs watching her? Way to go, Ollie!
>>29421607The Salome project is a shift towards Holo meta.Notice how everyone is forced to do their idol reps now?
>>29421638LOL look at her vod numbers retard she's completely slaughtering your meme rabbit. Salome is the biggest vtuber right now.
>>29421787On the short run yeah but then the new audience they bring in well get eaten by numbers rabbit which will only boost their competitor in the long run
>>29421659it doesn't matter in the end, the company profits, the livers are in the ditch as more gens debut. Afterwards, talents who has a brain would think twice whether to go to niji or hololive, if they can't get hololive they might as well find some white collar jobs because it's unsustainable to be in niji. Wave 1 - 6 can enjoy getting $100k+ annually, but not the subsequent gens coming after.
>>29421331>When one of nijis gets below 500 ccv, that's when it's unsustainable. I disagree actually, it just means the vtuber blows as a streamer and is uninteresting. When you are exposed to 60k+ people during your debut, but you spiral towards 500 viewers, that's just a sign that you're not very good at entertaining a large audience. Salome's numbers have fallen off a cliff, but she still has 20-30k viewers because she's not shit. Voltaction dropping into 3views isn't necessarily a sign of saturation, they're just not good enough to sustain 1000 viewers. Niji's pumping out waves means no quality control, which is a bigger problem than debuting new vtubers.>Hajime was the first wave, and he became a sub 200 ccv.He was always 100-200 CCV. Always had more hatewatchers than actual fans watching.
>>29417422Is that an ad for their group song?
>>29421787anon that's what redonkulous was
>>29419965IDs have been the only holos streaming Minecraft for most of 2022.
>>29421607>Salome is proving Nijisanji can leverage their large reach to create a monstrous streamerNo, it's proof that they have no fucking idea what they're doing and squandered their lightning in a bottle moment. Salome continues to recline and her growth has stalled recently in terms of subs, VODs, and CCV. I'm not going to call this the bottom because it's only been 2 months, but come this winter or fall, we're going to see if she truly stands the test of time or not.
>>29421548Here
>>29421790Japan is already an economically doomed country due to its declining demographic and failing systems, a problem that's inflicting all of the East Asian nations like Korea and China. The real prizes as far as vtubing markets go are America, Europe and Indonesia right now.
still don't get why the big names in Niji are weirded out by dance rehearsals. the idol meta is the working meta
Again!!! KOBO stop spamming guerilla streams
>>29420881Good point, but it's a bit misleading since many EU countries restricted cinema/closed it for long periods of time during the pandemic. I haven't met a weeb that goes to the cinema in ages, everyone pirates stuff.With that said, I agree with you, whatever weeb market there is in EU as a whole is fragmented and if you're going to catch large portions of it you will need to do something exceptional ( I don't even know what that would be).
>>29421787I think so yeah. They even fired Mel and Mayuyu for it for not supporting their pivot towards becoming an idol agency.
I have to say I'm FLOORED by the Tempus boys peformance so far.I genuinely thought all of them would be at the level Regis is right now, and I would consider *THAT* a success.The ojisan in particular, I sincerely believe he will be stronger than even Magnis in the long run.On the Wave 6 side, Ren Zotto has potential to become the top nijiEN ahead of even Luxiem in the long run. The rest will likely settle at Noctyx or below, but ahead of most of the OG NijiEN girls
>>29421607>Salome is proving Nijisanji can leverage their large reach to create a monstrous streamerIts actually proof that they cant do anything once they have something rare and preciousThat and not interacting with your audience is a death sentence for a viral vtuber
>>29420558>How badly would Anycolor have to fuck upHonestly I dont think they will. Ai and Gamebu defined the market's tolerance for black company shenanigans and Anycolor despite being led by nijiniggers isn't close to that shit. Their more likely downfall comes from competitors who are hyper-focused in their niche. Holo's "idol" image already pushed them ahead. VSPO's e-sports angle is gaining ground. VShojo JP is attacking on the gravure/whore-lite market. Death through a thousand papercuts is the more likely scenario for nijisanji as different chuuba agencies find their slice - which Anycolor used to cover.
>>29421911Why is guerilla streams bad?
>>29421787They have.
>>29421373she's a retard >>29421263
>>29419402Scarcity helps
>>29421906They didn't join to be idols, they joined to be streamers with anime avatars lolTry getting someone like xQc or Shroud to do idolreps because that's the "meta" because BTS is huge.It's just not what they want to do.
>>29421911I really worried about her...If she can reach 8k on her guerilla stream, i will donate unique number to her.
>>29421929they not listen ibrahimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPyTSM0ELe4&t=90s
>>29421787>Ridonculus
>>29421834>nowinsider anon already said that way back in november and salome might be their pioneering experiment vshojojp might actually eat into nijisanji audience if they do shift
SONNY 6K DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>29421787wasn't Selejo and Ranunculus an attempt at that market?
>>29421938They pull worse CCV I guess which brings down their average CCV, something which in no way hurts the VTuber but does affect horseracing
>>29421926>Ren Zotto has potential to become the top nijiEN ahead of even Luxiem in the long runCompletely delusional. Ren will never be Luxium tier, and if your projections of his future lead you to believe he would settle anywhere in this region, then you need to lower your estimates across the board by 5k.
>>29421930>VShojo JP is attacking on the gravure/whore-lite marketNo they aren't. Quite the contrary, NotRushia may be setting the tone (based on her overperformance in audience and revenue over kson) that they could go full "cute girl doing cute things that needs no man" route
So, did Ren get EN gold?
>>29421889She stalled at... being the biggest vtuber? Pekora may have minimally better ccv average but Salome destroys her in every other stat. Also she's doing what she wants and playing what she wants. It's fucking hilarious how Cover drones talk about Hololive being so great to their talents then cry that Anykara isn't turning their streamers into number slaves forcing them to stream le big number games.
>>29421946YAGOO PLEASE SAVE HERO
>>29421840viewfarm is a thing, and nijisanji already done it for years
>>29422035Luxiem is retreating into the 8k range for their average, it's not far fetched to believe Ren Zotto could be around that
>>29422012I'm saving this for next month
>>29420045Nobody fucking ever delivers, what's the pointI'm still waiting for the free blowjob
>>29422009They did and they got mad at him for calling them out even though he was telling the truth
>>29422066Cope harder.
>>29421946Akina got placed in a buff unit recently didn't she? She finally made it bros...
>Niji Gold secured for the next few days>all Ilunas holding their 3-5k ccv>Ren is Luxiem tier >All Tempiss holding their 4k-7k ccv >Regis is Roberu tier >Cripple Gold is still the "Did Gura stream?" tally >Kobo still putting up normal numbers >Luxiem still putting up normal numbers >Council still putting up normal numbers >Myth still putting up normal numbers >LOE still a flop >Noctyx still mediocreWell this is kinda boring lads... what do you wanna talk about?
>>29421834Idol reps to the point they're forcing out streamers that don't align with the new company direction. Mayuzumi is just the first in the graduation carnival that is coming.
>>29422082>They are still doing more game of thrones shitBut why
>>29421978Shouldn't she play that mobile free to play clone that IDs like more for the ID audience (like Tumble Guy or something like that)?
>>29420881>>29420985>>29421913Weeb culture is not really very extended in Europe.
>>29422084this thread owes a dozen dicks too
>>29421818How many % is 20k out of 4m?
>>29422160When can we see Cover's financial report ? Q3 already and there is still nothing
>>29422082I don't think it means what you think it means... it means there is a sizable NA NijiEN fanbase because enough people checked out the debuts that they got on trending in the US.iLUMA not being interesting enough to retain the big debut numbers is a different matter and you likely have better screenshots to show that than this.
>>29421840>biggest vtuber>can't eve get 35k with her ultra gigabuff content any more
>>29422130it's been proven that after IPO nijisanji didn't need her anymore
I’ll cut my cock off if Mumei doesn’t break 15k on her EU pandering streams
>>29420881>About EU market, here is a good benchmark for it, using an example adjacent to vtubers: the highest grossing anime movie everThat benchmark is shit since those weebs dont translate into the vtuber audience because if it did then the indie eu vtubing scene would be more alive than pre niji and holo indo scene
>>29422222What a fucking waste of quints. NijiEN has no NA market.
>>29422261But you're a girl
it's definitely a draw again or niji gold?
>>29422218Considering Anycolor's ~2 billion usd valuation.How would /#/s value Cover Corp.?
>>29422053>Also she's doing what she wants and playing what she wantsI wonder why she's not playing that raw disaster game on stream anymore
>>29422281How the fuck did they get on US trending then genius?
>>29422281the new ones especially the flip spic one and the rosemi alt costume one might have a NA market
LMFAOOOOO, the Holo EN girls are so petty I love it. Literally never stream all year, suddenly homos debut and they're going fuck crazy with buff streams. Kronii literally doing a stream as Krono the same time Regis is doing a stream, and Ame is doing Euro Truck at the exact same time tooThey really hated Stars EN that much, huh? Guess they're killing the boys while they're still in the cradle
>>29422290Come back in 31, it will be Sana graduation vs Nui Koshien and Lize Koshien
>>29422009He doesn't know that she's to be used as a graduation trump card when the hype takes a tumble. Followed by a new debut of "NOT AT ALL"-Salmone.
>>29422326>hate EN stars>wants to collab with them?
>>29422281Did you know that Otakuthon, one of the biggest NA anime convention with 500,000 visitors invited NijiEN for a panel? Instead, HoloEN had to settle for Crunchyroll Expo with only 10k in attendance.
>>29421926The best thing about Tempus is that they will only get better and develop and attract new fans. Iluna will only drive fans away with their LGBT woke bullshit.
>>29421911My problem is the game, why doesn't Kobo just join Ollie in Minecraft
>>29422047Mumei has it until Mysta takes it from her
>>29422326Baffling post. They target different audience demographic.
>>29422261This is 30min later compared to the stream she will do later.https://holo.poi.cat/stream/naotHmNwJ5k
>>29422367Imagine thinking an irrelevant con like Otakuthon was something to be proud to be invited for lolYou should feel ashamed
>>29422367No, you're wrong. otakuthon has 10 magmillion visitors each years
Fuck you retards, why did i have to skim 3 threads from the past 10 hours. Stop replying to bait, useless shits
>>29422053Her sub, VOD view, and CCV growth has significantly slowed down since her first month. Her CCV floor and ceiling are getting lower and lower, her audience is staring to realize she just does the same shit over and over, and she STILL hasn't bottomed out yet. Keep coping, in a few months she'll be at 10k-15k average CCV, get 150k-200k VODs, and get passed in subs by Kobo.
NijiEN vs HoloID at this hours
>>29422367Never heard of Otakuthon before, but sure.
>>29422397Overlap is overlap. Every single homo has had higher ccv when they stream without overlap
>>29422196Money
>>29422375She don't like minecraft. That's the problem.
Why are people still timelooping irrelevant has-beens like Salome?
>>29422432NijiEN completely dropped the ball on their newest gen isn't it?
>>29422053She had one stat left. subscriber gains, but now Kobo is beating her in that. Poor salmon, no tourists left, nothing left, graduation imminent.
>>29422392Mysta isn't streaming the buff game today, most likely Mumei's unless there's a guerilla karaoke
>>29422397They share some audience because they are brotubers unlike luxiem
>>29422432Sonny inclining? this is a bit of an overperformance by him isn't it?
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>>29422512
>>29422500Kuukiyomi is just free numbers for JP times. Mysta got like 15k with it and even Kiara can get 10k with it.
>>29422430LolKobo is already slowing down growth wise and if the rate of decline continues mysta and vox will surpass her again in a few months especially when the boys are gonna get a big boost in china due to their b2 and projects there
>>29422512https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJwchAwdM1Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YEiB5dZcA8
>>29422500Kukuyou is a nip meme game, ike and mysta got 9k+ playing it.
>>29422298No idea, wait to see how their Holo Earth shit does I guess. Also need to see their newest fiscal report to even attempt an estimate.
>>29422404EU in the title and obvious pandering adds 10k easy. My cock is safe
With NijiEN having 30,000 applicants, do you think the mindshare of vtuber space has shifted from Hololive to Nijisanji?
>>29422316Anon doesn't know Twitter trending is a bubble and can literally be paid
>>29422541>B2
>>29422053>being the biggest vtuber?didnt know that gawr gura was salome
>>29422316How do superchat messages written in Mandarin keep showing up under USD and JPY donations? Anon, use your brain for a second.
>>29422572It's youtube's trending, not twitter, fucking retard. Did you even look at the screenshot?
>>29422397But did homos managed to get their target demographic? The blue guys asmr makes me think they didn't.
>>29422584Salome is way bigger than Gura, she was the fastest to 1 million subscribers. Gura is no where near as popular
>>29422568Only in terms of ease of acceptance. They're on pace to debut 15 more vtubers by years end.
>>29422572He's not talking about twitter you idiot, its trending in youtube US
Reminder that Salami is not the only wasted opportunity for Niji.>Rin showing up in Pewdiepie's video but spamming FF instead killing tourist>Niji dodgeball incident killing whatever success they have
>>29421096Mumei's Minecraft stream was for Asians and burgers, not EU. Europeans aren't going to wake up and turn on a stream at 7 in the morning.
>>29422367For a second I thought you said Otakon had invited NijiEN and I was about to be impressed. The fuck is Otakuthon?
>>29422568Yeah, Remember that Cover had a hard time looking for people to fill their StarsEN spots which left them no choice but to get 2view shitters while Nijisanji had fricken 30k people apply for it and now they have 5 100k sub vtubers which has a strong floor and is only gaining more popularity and exposure the more they stream
>>29422615Has Salome ever had a 194k stream? Will she still be able to draw 27k viewers in for Minecraft after 2 years?
>>29422367Do I even need to say it?
Just saw this on the Otakucon guest page. They know. Fucking kek
>>29422614>their target demographicWhat makes you think their target demographic is only women? Cover debuted half the guys in butt ugly designs instead of ikemen designs for a reason.
>>29422367this has to be bait, last Otakuthon got like 25k attendees compared to Crunchroll's 40k
>>29422568If i were a 2view i would apply to nijisanji since their entry level and standards are low enough that even if im stars level i can still get in
Damn /#/So...what are we doing now? Gold is already decided and I don't think you guys have any new timeloop
kobo 8k gethonestly she need to jump the ID server minecraft arcshe need to stop being a contrarian just like her senpaithere's too many contrarian chuuba in holos, being contrarian doesn't make you special anymore
>>29422741But anon, if you were a 2view they would outright skip you
>>29422615194k stream where?
>>29422615I heard that Quentin Tarantino and even James Cameron are big fans of Salome. They're studying her and implement her styles into their next films.
When do you think the vtubing industry will get to the point where they need to start training new vtubing generations instead of hiring indies?
>>29422677Okay he's retarded and baiting, but>Has Salome ever had a 194k stream?If I had to bet on the biggest NijiJP 3D debut ever, I would bet on Salome. More than 194k isn't impossible...
>>29422750Talk about which Niji is graduating next. I bet it is really Mito
HoloID vs ex-NijiID... what the fuck are Nijisanji doing?
>>29422741But you need to have 100k subscribers to be in their eyes
>>29422771as long as i pay pajeet to get 100k subs theyll accept me since subs is their metric
Reminder that Sony owns Crunchyroll and around 5% of Anycolor, yet they went out of their way to get Hololive for their expo. Why didn't they go with Luxiem instead?
>>29422692Kek
>>29422711Not only. Mostly women.Yet it doesn't seem like it worked.
>>29422821>>29422822
>>29422799Nijisanji is already doing that with the VTA. It's a disaster.
>>29422462I'm not sure that's true. Magni had his highest viewcount while overlapping with Gura and Mori
>>29422825Luxiem killed their sponsorship image. This is why pandering isn't profitable in the long run.
>>29422813>IDworthless market with a meme currency like ARS
>>29422862Pretty sure Magni had a 14k stream right after debuting when no one else was streaming
Every time you pit NijiEN against a group, they lose. For the love of God, stop angering Watamage or else NijiEN will drop much faster.
>>29422908Nijicope
>>29422799Niji already triedIt didn't end well. You can't "train" and entertainer, if people don't like you and your humor they don't watch and no amount of training can change that
>>29422673https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rtENQZ1UTc
>>29422918That's the one I'm thinking of, I swear he overlapped
>>29422584>f-fastest to 1m!!!Look at Gura's sub count now. Call me when Salome gets anywhere near that. She's not even going to make it to 2m in the same amount of time Gura did at her current rate.>your next words will be "dead subs!!!!" or "bots!!!!"Stay seething, 4m > 1.5m
>>29422834>Mostly women.You can't possibly believe they picked a memester like Mag to be a girls magnet
>>29422825Netflix is sponsoring Vox for a Cuties watchalong tho. Did you not see his tweet on it?
>>29422887Luxiem doesn't need to lift a finger in NA because Iluna will conquer that market easily.
>>29422003i'm waiting anon, pls send the proof
>>29422825It isn’t a Chinese con
How much money does Koshien actually make? Obviously it pulls in a large casual audience, but those people don't even Like the streams, they just tune in and tune out because it's baseball gacha and do not give a single fuck about who is playing it. That doesn't seem profitable, where's the money in that? I can't imagine Konami is paying out the nose for sponsored streams when nijisanji is basically leeching off PowerPro's apparently tremendous popularity for their own streamers rather than actually promoting the game. Tourists don't pay for merch, memberships, or buy SCs either.
>>29422908>red ARS superchat worth $7.64>red IDR superchat worth $67.04Go watch ur ID liver, nijinigger
>>29422963Debut buffed Illuna can't even beat Council minecraft streams though.
>>29422834Kek, with someone like Noir?
>>29422834You do know that even in manjisanji, there's only 3 or so livers with more female viewers than male?Kuzuha and Fuwa have a 70% male audience and HolostarsJP has a primarily male audience. Luxiem are the outliers where they have 80%+ female viewers.There's no way Cover was expecting more than half of the StarsEN audience to be females, especially since they hired 3 obvious brotubers.
>>29422975VoD views anon. Ad revenue and premium bucks.
>>29422813I unironically enjoy Layla's streams.
>>29422975koshien game sponsorship
>>29422920What do you mean? NijiEN is actually inclining while Myth and Council are stagnating
>>29422367My favorite interaction at that panel was Pomu telling Finana "stand back Feesh, I'm beginning to Poom" and Pomming all over the 100 pomillion audience.
>>29422963Damn, that's a nice b8
>>29422975It's sponsored anonThey PAY Niji to hold this tournament every year
>>29422934194k stream doko?
>>29422952You can't possibly believe that they were looking for someone for management position experienced in targeting women demographic, if they didn't want to target women demographic...
>>29422935He did, but it was his first stream after debut so it was very debut buffed. Not a great example to use.Today's 5k is unironically a better example of lack of overlap.
Jwu, are the nijitranies still getting uppity?
>>29422908better currency than your chink's NT$
>>29423015That's worthless. Those have never been primary revenue for either company, it's honestly a pittance according to everything we know about CPM rates. >>29423032That's backwards though, why would they have a sponsorship to play the game when it's only because they're playing PowerPro they can achieve such massive viewership? Contrarily, it would make more sense for Konami to charge them for the right to play PowerPro since it's so incredibly popular
>>29423019You like dinosaurs, right?
>The 10 commandments of the Nijisanji Fandom>1. Any success how little must be blown out of proportion.>2. Any failure is not a failure, but rather a success, see (1) for how to continue.>3. If provided with any proof that is contrary to OUR and YOUR belief as a Nijisanji fan, dismiss it, call it incorrect or fabricated. Never submit any counter proof.>4. If a proof is irrefutable, redirect the attention. Now is a perfect time to point the finger at some other company. Who are we kidding, there is only one company to point the finger at!>5. Always highlight the failures of the opposition >6. Never acknowledge the success of others.>7. Remember that all mistakes, rumors and lies that does not involve Nijisanji is true and is always malicious. Spread it as much as possible, the goal should always to hurt the opposition.>8. Harass the fans of other companies. While doing so point out that Nijisanji Livers are so much better in every way!>9. Should (8) not work, harass the Liver of said fans. While doing so point out that Nijisanji Livers are so much better in every way!>10. Lie. Lie like your life depends on it. Never accept a concession. Always lie if you are in a disadvantageous position.
>>29422975Anycolor gets paid to host Koshien for Konami, not the other way around. It also gets millions of VOD views so there's also that for ad revenue.
>>29423066Konami wasting money to promote a game that casuals won't buy to play for themselves what's newThank god Kojima left when he did
Why do the nijinigs constantly try to gaslight? If their numbers are as good as they say, they shouldn't have to resort to lying and trickery.
>>29423116They are embarassed they only get golds by graduating Nijis.
>>29422952You would be surprised.Check the replies to this post >>29409217As that one Fujo /here/ said, you don't really have to do anything with another member. Just interact with them casually and they'll start shipping you.
>>29422975its sponsored so they rake in moneyThis is why i said that nijisanji strategy of investing in the company is better than investing in the talent since no matter which talent you put out there companies will still be willing to sponsor you and when talents do leave it wont hurt the company as much since there was not waste of capital investment
>>29422908
>>29423019That's nice anon, have you helped her with SC?
>>29423008I wouldn't put Axel in the obvious brotuber category. He was a JP only streamer and mostly an utaite.
>>29422755Please understand that she's zoomer anon. Can't handle playing 8-bit blocks.
>>29422918>Pretty sure Magni had a 14k stream right after debuting when no one else was streamingIt was not just that he was being overlapped, he was being overlapped the whole time by>Gura>NijiEN main channel IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR DEBUT RUN>Calli>Ame
>>29423130>Dino chuubafucking hell if niji was only this good at promoting their talents i would have picked her up earlier
What will the rest of the year look like for nijisanji gold-wise? They won't have the koshien buff after the middle of august and they won't have any of the events that mayuzumi typically organized. Will they only be able to get gold with debuts, graduations and 3D from now on?
>>29423074It her summer outfit reveal i think
>>29423170I can't tell the difference. Afaik Niji is also investing in their livers. Actually certain livers aare more loved than others
salami next 3 streams prediction?her unpacking and quarry last stream had been underperformed
>>29423135inshallah, the apostate holobronies will convert or die
>>29423124Nobody watches powerpro streams or videos other than niji koshien streams
>>29423195But he was drawing sonic oc. Thats megabuff no cap
>>29423260She's playing Re8, right?
>>29420558>I can't recall any particular instance of a big JP company shoving low quality shit at the audience and reclining because of it Capcom. Nearly destroyed their company if not for Monhun and only turned it around with re7/mhw and beyond.
>>29423214She's not really a dino chuuba, she's literally a history chuuba. She even had a series where she talks about real life history, though mostly Indonesian
>>29423075StarsJP sell voice pack that panders to the Yumejoshis although it always seemed strange to me since the streams are anything but BFE
>>29423260Like 40k range
>>29423124>That's backwards though, why would they have a sponsorship to play the game when it's only because they're playing PowerPro they can achieve such massive viewership?It's a symbiotic relationship. Koshien gets bigger and bigger every year because Nijis run it well and Konami is clearly happy about the results.Now would Holos also get similar/bigger numbers doing their own version? Maybe, but why change what's working. It's going to get 200k+ CCV this year.
Is Konami getting fucking scammed?? There's no way they're getting anything out of sponsoring Koshien, considering the Koshien tournament is obviously only able to pull such enormous viewership is because of the preexisting baseball autism Japan has in abundance. Nijisanji literally never has this level of audience draw for any other event any time of the year, for 100k+ streams its basically just Koshien, so it can't be on Nijisanji's own merits they're achieving this, they're just leeching off the game's popularity.
So, is holosummer actually happening or was it just a merch bait?
>>29423261Investing in high return livers is part of investing in the companyWasting money on 2-3view chuubas are a waste
>>29423284I watched Koyo play it, eiken nine is fun but the vn gamemodes are horrible
>>29423157That thread has a lot of females. Then again the best fujobaiting is subtle and hidden ones just like shonen animes
>>29423260sub-30 for end of zoe and sub-20 for anything else that doesn't have a new game buff.
>>29423239They had 4 tourneys last year along with August's nijinoon and fuwa's morning stream to pad the numbers. In September, they had a tourney but I forgot what it was. In October, they had a blazing sails tourney. In November, they had a splatoon tourney. In December, they had a MK8 tourney along with NJU.
>>29423260Sub 30k
>>29423195>drawing stream from person who’s established themself as artist vs Elden Ring again and Neon White
>>29423369So, nothing major then?
>>29423342Merch bait, don't expect much out of it
>>29423369JP and their tournament arcs lmaotournament arc addicts
>>29423303god damnsuch a waste of a potentialgonna sub member and sc thanks for informing me about this gem, its fucking laughable that i learn and sub to more nijis here than in the niji threads
>>29423369So they only rely on tourney buff to get big namba?
>>29420558>I can't recall any particular instance of a big JP company shoving low quality shit at the audience and reclining because of itI can think of one in particular>AIWAUsed to produce nice and not too expensive sound equipment, then took a turn to the cheap crap and went under
>>29423284That's not entirely true, Koshien is a neutral/buff game for most vtubers.But yeah the main reason why Niji koshien stream numbers are so ridiculously high is because of the tournament.Outside of Niji and Holo, no one gives a fuck about powerpro streams.
>>2942326020-35 for quarry. Unpacking has the possibility of 40k because i don't know why this game is popular but 25-35k
>>29423344Still invest on livers, no differencesYou are making shit up
>suicidal >too coward to kms with a gun>stress eat to cope with depression >develop hypertension and type 2 diabetes >my immune system is so shot I get sick like once every few weeks>pretty sure liver and kidneys are failing because I pee red and my skin is yellow>pass out constantly and wake up hours later >never been to the doctor in my life and never gonna go>gonna just keep eating junk food until I fall into a coma and die of sepsisMy only death wish is that Tempiss survive in this godforsaken world and I will spend my last moments on Earth by their side/blog
>>29423260What is she doing for her next streams? 45-50k if new RE series, 60k best case scenario.25-30k if another rhythm heaven50k if Karaoke.
>>29423135Based and truthpilled
>>29423330they don't get scammed if anycolor is on it with them. They were always in bed with each other, they have the same office building, konami always sponsors nijis to do pachinko streams, konami affliates would always sponsor nijis like ohamo or j-1 league. MinecraftJP and GoogleJP doesn't want to sponsor holos, they always sponsors nijis even if their numbers are shit and padded with lies and viewfarms. AT the end of the day, anycolor is controlled by a chinese mafia who wants to really turn niji into a soulless factory.
What sort of numbers will Mito get when she announces her graduation in September?
>>29423429Dunno why you are surprised. That's the only way Niji can get high number, that is an everchanging fact
>>29423260Her last unpacking was 37k. so 30k?Her last quarry was 20k. so 15k?wait we may see the fallen of salami for the next 3 days
>>29423429Yes. And kuzuha is blackhole in these tournaments
>>29423407Goddamit eugene
>>29423450investing in livers that return profit is investing in the company investing in livers that dont have any noticable or good numbers is not investing in the company and is a waste of capitalyou are retarded if you think investing in 2-3 view vtubers or vtubers that dont have any good incline will be a good thing for a company like nijisanji
>>29423239Next month will also have Niji fes if I remember correctly. 3 days I think? After that there's a few different tournaments but nothing that really compares to Koshien (closest being the MK in december).
>>29423525can you stop spamming this? we saw it the first time.
>>29423525Hololive do the sameStill don't see the differences
>>29423342It was always merch bait anon.
>>29423450Agree thats why they invested heavily on obsydias costumes
>Hololive = Kyoani>Nijisanji = QueenBeeIs this accurate?
>>29423486100k+ on announcement 300k+ on graduation
>>29423297In the West, I suppose. Or did they recline back in JP as well during those incidents?
>>29423342One anon said more details will be revealed in Senchou's 3D Live
>>29423560You are one of those retards who have a saviourfag mentality that thinks investing in a 2view is a good move for a big company like nijisanjiIts a fucking business not a charity
>>29423426Made me think that rebranding the old NijiID into NijiEN instead of the main Nijisansji will actually benefit the talents more. Most of them already speaks english, and putting them in Nijisanji main branch in JP won't get them any tourists to check their stream. I guess Niji really wants them to quit by their own will. Too bad most NijiID treats their streaming as side job and 2view with membership is already enough for living as a middle class citizen in Indonesia so I don't think any of them will quit.
>>29422825Sony owns 100$ of Prism, and they're in. They just didn't want to pay Hololive money to get people with no local audience.
>>29422692>ACCELERATE
>>29423432Huh, interesting. I guess they had competing products infringe upon their niches as well?
>>29423603Lol no if Pekora said nothing Marine most probably won't tooBut it's quite interesting how they chose to do this in C100. A lot of big name will certainly show up in this Comiket, even some legends returning. Maybe they main goal is to get those "certain people" to see Hololive?
Cover is now shilling Youtube Premium. Susan will be curtailed!
Keep in mind that Hololive has its own tourney coming up in a day or two. I bet it won't get anywhere near Nijisanji mahjong tourny numbers.
>>29423456g-ganbatte anon...
>>29423628They were scammed if they paid $100 for Prism.
>>29423482>livers>china>livers are organs>chinese mafia likes to dissect organs from lowly people>niji is owned by bili2>bili2 is owned by a chinese mafia>who is also affliated with the japanese mafia>the japanese mafia is also affliated with konamiIt all comes together now
>>29423617you make for a shit boss that wonders why their employees leave every 6 months
>>29423617ok nijinig
>>29423504why her quarry so low? is the game mega debuff?
>>29423706>>29419669
>>29423706horror games are only a buff for salome if it's RE7 and only if it's the main game.
>>29423617At the end of the day still investing on liversLiterally every company invest in their talents, talents made the company. There's no such thing as "Investing in company" vs "Investing in talents", there are no difference. You are making shit up
>>29423675hey, it has peko on it
>>29422215The same, 0.5%
>>29423661Cover probably make a shitload off Youtube Premium if the rumoured interaction between streams and payout is true.
>>29423749She can't carry the tournament by herself
>>29423694That happens in big companies like apple yt google amazon and it doesnt seem to affect them. Investing in non productive employees/livers that is a retard move since they can and will quit eventually since there are a lot more alternatives. If you invest in the company itself then that company will survive no matter how many employees leave
>>29423706It's literally a reaction stream for a shitty horror game. The streamer barely have any interaction to the game besides reacting. The only reason xqc didn't bleed out his number from this game is due to him finishing it on "one sitting" and because he had personal buff to these type of games(react streamer).
>>29423675Is this multipov?
>>29423650Here is a quick rundown on the reason for their demise>By 1982, Sony’s stake in Aiwa had risen to 55%, and we were witnessing the saw the slow demise of the Aiwa brand, as it began to lose its unique identity. >Aiwa had been king of tape, but digital audio was just around the corner. >By 1990 it was making cheaper and more plasticky mini-systems that lacked the charm and engineering depth of those early Aiwa ‘mini compos’.Two things killed them1) Sony puished them into pursuing profit at the expense of quality2) They failed to adapt to the new times and clutched too hard on their old tried and tested (but obsolete) formulaThere is a parallel here to be had
I kind of wish one of these day I will see a veteran 2hu singer join Hololive
I'm not sure who is all competing in mahjong, but the most popular Holo streamers are the dumbest, so there's no chance any popular girl ends up in the final. It'll probably by like Lui vs Aki or something.
>>29423835Yes, main pov will probably be 50k, peko 30k, everyone else sub20k
>>29423749Pekora sounded like she is just Phoning in for this tournament since she have so much other shit she wants to do besides the mahjong tourney. If she wanted to, she could've done a week worth of collab scrim streams to hype up the tourney.
>>29423835website says they'll tell you tomorrowhttps://www.hololive-mj.jp/
>>29422692I had to check it myself because this was too far-fetched, and it wasn't
>>29423841A couple of the IOSYS members worked on Ahoy, if that counts.
>>29423746Investing in talents is the reason why hololive will fail in the long run because investing in non productive livers like choco mel aki sora haachama matsuri is only a waste and will not give you nice returns in the long run. Hell I would even argue investing in your good talents is a mistake like Coco and Rushia since they will leave the company and you will take an enormous loss due to the wasted capital that you poured on to them
>>29423835Yes, I think Lui and Koyori already got their frame up.
>>29423841Anon... Azki...
>>29423573Man, you're selling Queen Bee way too short comparing them to Nijisanji. They do what they can with their skeleton budget.
>>29423881I wonder what her next plan. Just coasting again or will she do something big again
>>29423661It's a two way street anon, did you guys missed that Aquairo Pallete is now in an Ad from Youtube Japan? (the one Cover is shilling?)https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1552474022239240194Here are the guys shilling Aqua in that adhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfG6L9I7N8I
>>29423800>shit boss noted
>>29423903>100 vtubers were actively performing unique activities>in reality, most of them just spam apex all day with huge patches of dead air
>>29423919I just checked Koyori's stream. The game looks like shit compared to the chink mahjsouls
>>29423955call it shit boss or whatever but it works and will make the company profits
>>29422692Stop accelerating Riku I want to get off
>>29423918How is that any different from Niji investing in their livers?Also you are slowly derailing from the original subject. We are talking about why is "investing in company" is any different than investing in your talents
>>29423940The next thing she have on plan is summer fest(currently in planning phase the last time she talked about it). And probably do something Rust related just like what she did at the end of Ark phase.
>>29423776>C: We would like to stream Holo Summer on youtube. Last time we were struck with a lot of take downs. Can we get assurances that doesn't happen? >S: I think we can come to an understanding. Have you ever heard of Youtube Premium?
>>29423980t. chinese sweatshop owner
>>29423945Here is the link to the ad, it's actually funnyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-A3CratPl0
>>29423994Because unlike holo niji only invest in livers with high returns which is good for the company. Investing in all your talents is a retarded move that will backfire once they leave
>>29423964hey, at least it's better than playing on the fucking clubhouse 51 version
>>29423964Okay you weren't kidding, this looks like garbo.Youtube says it's a 2013 SEGA game.
>>29423661So they finally developed some common sense to get an ad deal for that? It's like free money for Cover even if they pay to get this deal going.
>>29423881>>29423993It's "she HAS" not "she HAVE".God I fucking hate this thread.
>>29424055>Investing in all your talents is a retarded moveRemind me, what percentage of niji "talents" have a 10k median?
>>29424058i just want souls perms back...
will hololive be exclusive only on youtube?
>>29424055You know "all talents" also include the high number talents right?So you actually don't know what you are talking about
TALLYANON AVERT YOUR EYEShttps://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1552584932861837312
>>29423841Stack is joining jp7 next year
>>29424108she has>she hasshe has>she hasshe has>she hasshe has>she hasshe has>she hasshe has
https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1552584932861837312?s=20&t=_6iTAZioaYHGyWNsGUM1jAMigos starts announcing guests
>>29424118It's never coming back, thank kson
>>29424155Will she pull a Sankisei without Peko again? Seem like it
>>29424129>will hololive be exclusive only on youtube?They already stream on twitch, slowpoke
>>29424055so tell me what the fuck do you do when all your fucking top return livers all quit one day and you are left with 500ccv shitters? This happens in other industries all the time and they barely scraped by by being bailed out by some other party
>>29424140Yeah but if they stopped investing in shitter talents like choco rbc mel etc they would save a lot more and in return would get more income
>>29424155Last 3 are Shiraken + PekoraI'm putting my balls on it
>>29424176Let me guess, she is going to get everyone in gen 3 except Pekora again?
>>29423939Doesn't change the fact that their animation sucks. Some of better titles got rekted.
Wait, Koyori's game has Saki characters on it. Excellent.
>>29424176>Holds a dancing live>Miko can't dance>Guests can't danceSovl
>>29424215they'll just debut another streamer that can consistently get 100k every single stream for 2 weeks. ez.
>>29424045Akwa...punk holo...
>>29424155OH NO NO NO, HOW COULD THE DWARF EVER RECOVER FROM THIS
>>29424117NTA, but investing in talent doesn't mean they'll get better numbers.Niji shills their low tier livers all the time in ads and sponsorship deals but they don't incline at all.The secret to inclining is something all companies are trying to solve but most of it comes down to luck and talent.Shoving resources into an inferior talent isn't going to change much. For example, if Niji starts promoting Honhima like crazy (she's already one of the most promoted Nijifemales anyways), it's not going to push her to 10k+ and she's already one of the better Nijis.I'm team Holo btw in terms of investing in talent.
looks like i didnt even know i got a free membership from soramaybe when i watch the 1M celebration
>>29423661I already own youtube premium
>>29424215Then its time to pack up and move on. You will have more money then than what you would have gotten if you invested it in shitty livers/talentsRemember this is a business not a fucking charity
>>29423903>actively perform unique activities>actively>unique
>>29424129
I don't think I'll ever understand how Mahjong works
>>29423776What interaction is this?
>>29423894based on Koyori current stream they will do the group stage tomorrow?meaning the final on 30th may not even have Pekora unless they fucking rig the whole thing to keep her aliveand the whole stream will be super short (number will be shit) since MJ is a fast pace game
>>29424058SEGA, BANDAI AND BUSHIROAD are in deep bed with Hololive. Last tournament was bandai games, now sega mahjong
>>29424216Stop posting, you are revealing your stupidity for everyone to seeCover never invested much in them in the first place. Also once again you are just moving goalpost, there's no such thing as "investing in company", every company invest in their talents, Nijisanji doesn't do anything high and mighty or unique, the end
>>29423582Yeah, they were struggling really bad for money and there was a lot of talk of selling the company.
>>29424252>miko cant danceshe's been doing her reps
>>29423940She has something for 8/2 apparently it's bunny day and she also has 3D event, in addition she's also thinking bringing back her summer craft
>people still engaging the retard talking from "the perspective of the company"Sad thing is that it would be an absolute brilliant bait, except he really believes the audience cares more about the financial well being of the company instead of about their favorite vtubers.Funny thing is that this more or less confirms that thing about the Nijisanji fandom, that they will ALWAYS defend the company, even throwing their own "livers" down the well.
>>29424002Kek
>>29424323It's Rummy with a few differences.
>>29423661YouTube premium pays them significantly more than super chats so why wouldn't they?
>>29418829Looks like their also running the nijjiEN cafe collab in their taiwan store https://twitter.com/animatecafe_tpe/status/1552489028364140549
>>29424129Could you imagine Hololive with the Susan buff?
>>29424334The more you watch a channel the higher cut that channel gets from your youtube premium.
>>29423918Anyone got the chart that showed HoloBlondes beat out Niji?
>>29424334https://youtu.be/NLO5-IyS5pE?t=352
>>29424205>>29424225Rust collab is just a setup for this, Koyo Matuli and Foob will be announced as wellFUCKIN BELEB
>>29424339Anon... Mahjong can last a long fucking time, especially if they do a full round (all winds) rather than a hanchan.
>>29424358Hey I am enjoying this. Watch him reply to me with the same argument every time, not realizing the flaw of his own logic or even worse, moving the goal post
>>29424323
>>29424296>actively perform unique activitiesliteeally a line chinkbots use to flood fbk's chat
>>29424382Here is a recent one
>>29424210>willretard, they can cut the tie if it really happen
>>29424371This is like, the 4th time they have a collab cafe in TW, first time for NijiEN.
What the fuck is the benefit of youtube premium? I'm just throwing money at google for nothing. At least give me some money for memberships.
>>29424247yes, there are a few collabs the version of saki she's using was the very first collab on launch like 5 years agoso she said she didn't play this game is complete BS everyone should know who she is at this point
>>29423033>n-niji en is inclining!>ren immediately below gura even only after 3 streams, with 90k ccv debutoh my the delusion
>>29424371That makes a lot more sense. Lotta TW fujos
>>29424323it's actually really simple, it's just making a hand out of sets of 3s (threes of a kind or sequences) and a pair, the hard part is that not every combination gives you points, only specific ones do, and you can't win without one of these combinations, but people online always frontload these so it looks way more complicated than it is
>>29424375>Hololive with the Susan buff?That would actually pull them to fleshstreamer tier when in comes to numbers
>>29423617Damn, I guess Cover should not have invested in Miko or the INKK girls
>>29424495>youtube rewind revived
>>29424468No ads, offline play and part of the youtube premium revenue is shared with the creators proportionally with the amount each get watched meaning the more you watch a chuuba with your premium the higher the share she gets, which adds up better than ad revenue
>>29424252>Miko can't DanceYou wanna say that again?
>>29424323SimpleYou pull, sacrifice, trade for the pieces, Then you get point based on combinationsThe 2hu Mahjong manga taught me a lot about those combinations
>>29424468you can keep streaming even if you minimize the browser/appyou are also counted in the ccv regardless if you tab out>t. experimented it with my multiple accounts
>>29424340I hope we get some sort of Hololive cameo/reference in a Yakuza game some time. A reference to Subaru would be great because her 0 playthrough was pure kino.
>>29424468No ads on mobile. Can listen to YouTube while the phone screen is locked. Supports the channels you watch automatically. YouTube Music included if you care about that.
>>29424495Anon, they're already one of the most dominant forces of streamers on Youtube.
>>29424323dude, its just 3 match game or solitaire if you understand how solitaire work
>>29424371my fucking sides, the thread has mainland bugs begging for the cafe collab to be in China instead
It just hit me why the Nijikeks here are so annoying. You have to be really fucking stupid to actually willingly be a Nijishitty fan and think anything they do is good. Everything makes sense once you realize that and realize how stupid all the Nijikeks are.
>>29424428yes, that is true on "traditional" mahjongbut the MJ game is not, it has its own rulesit has less rounds, wait time is much shorterand they are doing 1 hanchan it won't last more than 10 minutes
>>29424564So they fixed that huh, wasn't it for a while that you wasn't counted at all with premium.
>>29424340SEGA should just release new shiny mahjong game.With Sonic and Hololive member as characters
>>29424468No ads, download and Picture in Picture was a premium exclusive. Part of your premium is split among who you watched based on watchtime
>>29424468No ads, which matters if you watch on any platform other than on PC. I watch a lot of youtube on my xbox so it's worth it for me.
>>29424358nta but isnt the financial well being of the company important to the fans? since a company shitting itself would mean that your chuuba might disappear off the face of the earth like with .live or upd8
>>29424569It's probably about Doog first. After her first playthrough of first yakuza game, sega immediately gift her the rest of the yakuza series
>>29424468your 1 view is worth 1000 free view for your oshi, more money for them
Next NijiEN wave7 will be release right after EN3 debut ... and have 5 Gura killer Wave6 is a failure , we don't talk about them here
>>29424622they are more corporate bootlickers then the holobronies that they claim are instead
>intern ITT trying to convince people that AnyColor investing only in their so-called "high returns talent" is better than Cover who invests in everyone>meanwhile Cover is out here making all their talent and IP a valuable asset that they can make high returns on
>>29424619I think most of the chinese fanbase would love a return of Hololive. It's too bad the shitstirrers were so loud.
>>29424468https://youtu.be/NLO5-IyS5pE
>>29424447That only proves my point though? Investing in high return livers will always be more financially sound than investing in everyone and will benefit the company more
>>29424468I paid youtube membership just so I can play playlist of my oshi's stream on my phone besides me when I sleep so I can hear her in my sleep
Anon mentioned that > Investing in talents is the reason why hololive will fail in the long run because investing in non productive livers like choco mel aki sora haachama matsuri is only a wasteJust to put in perspective, here is where they rank in relation to the NijiJP girls.> Lowest 10 ranked Holo JP girls vs. Niji JP girlsSeven of them would be at Niji's Top 20, with four of them (Matsuri, Choco, Luna and Lui) being behind only Salome and two of Sanbaka, which is ironic because of anon's use of Choco and Matsuri as examples of "non productive livers"Actually it's not just that Hololive doesn't hav eany "non productive liver", even the lowest in their ranks are at the top of the industry and competitive with the top of the top of their main competitor
Damn I hope the Hololive mahjong tournament brings out some kino Saki/Hololive crossover fanart. Like I'm imaging this old ass AMV/MAD getting edited with Holo characters instead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MddW5quDN0
I hope Miko's guest list isn't the same guest list we see from most of these. Some combination of Gen 3 minus Pekora and Shiraken members like Suisei.I want to see at least one wild card guest and my bests are on Pekora or Gura (Shark-Idol).
>>29424652yeah theyre focusing more on fixing it in premium rather than the general youtubeim guessing its to entice more people to get the premium
>>29423918I won't even use the Mel pic for this one
New Nornis songhttps://youtu.be/_F2uHVrktYE
>>29424667anon, the wellbeing and success of the talents will mean the company is also well off.
>>29424837who?
>>29424468YouTube Premium>no ads>background play>Picture-in-Picture (mobile)>video downloads (mobile)>YouTube MusicIt's basically Spotify but better.
Koyori taking over the Rushia slot is paying off huge. Another 15k for the books.
>>29424593now imagine them with susans buffthe numberrot will be so bad that 80k will be in the slip range
https://youtu.be/slZW5rR6CHMhttps://youtu.be/slZW5rR6CHMhttps://youtu.be/slZW5rR6CHMHOMOGOLD