/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://twitter.com/kake_r/status/1385170734029295617

basically if you have money in ASMR Tubers expect to be fucked in the ass because knowing cover they'll private all of it

>>2932013
Everyone with their Nene/Kanata/Coco profits will just buy the dip and it will be like nothing has changed

>it's the devs can't stop making retarded decisions and killing the game episode
abayo tacobells, was fun while it lasted

>want to participate
>don't lurk enough to answer the meme questions to register
fuck

>>2932516
don't bother, the game is shit now.

2932512
So this game is pretty much dead since last update? Any chance to unfuck what had been done, or any info from devs?
This thread is very slow than usual it's like majority of them stop playing this game.

>>2932637
What hapened?

>>2932667
devs fucked up, people lost money, now if you bag or you're not fast enough you'll lose money.

>>2932738
I love it personally. Maybe you will think twice next time before you piss and moan about the game needing to be fixed. While you doomposters whine about the eternal bear I will build my wealth and prepare for the eventual update and fix.

>>2932822
Jokes on you they will reset it.

>>2932822
>he doesn't know

>>2932657
well it's more like everything is fucking expensive and we're still unsure what the next adjustment will bring. I have cashed out 90k out of my 140 because buying something for it right now would be a bet on the stupidity of other players.

Inflation takes a toll, but the more risky nature of the game might take care of that. Rising up is now significantly harder, while staying rich is comparatively easy - just like real life.

so yeah I'll be back at adjustment, hoping on some dips to buy.

>>2932822
>>2932738

I have been investing on the stock market for years, loss is temporal, I'm an expert in becoming "long term investor" anons, you should too.

>>2932822
jokes on you i'm an oshi and dividend fag now

>>2932822
I think the new update is a step in the right direction, just need to get rid of the price adjustments during queue and show what you're actually gonna pay/receive. With the new version I don't have to sit there for 4 hours after adjustments selling my bags

>>2932170
>Coco profits

>>2932929
>>2932935
>big money angry that the oshichads win again
You hate to see it.

>>2932997
Jokes on you I still made about 20k off Coco

>>2933005
But i'm both

>>2932516
Well anon, it's the curse of the holofags. /v/ mindset, muh sekrit club and break containment in the comment section of every stream kek

>>2932858
Don't have a helicopter ride to attend to?

>>2933042
It's okay, I did my archive reps and made an acount. Now to make poor decisions and lose it all.

>>2933036

>>2932961
based reasonfag. I'm enjoying proper sleep as well.

>>2933025
She hasn't been below a price point where that would be possible in nearly a week.

>>2933248
20 shares of coco bought @ an average of $2000, dev adjusted her to 3900 tonight and i slowly sold off all my shares

>>2933248
>>2933368
Devs fucked up even more by letting people buy CoCo for $1600 when the new update came and fucked everything up.

im going all in

>Retards getting mad at fake investing
How many of you retards fell for the GME scheme?

>>2933608
>Buy high sell low

can someone help me with the last captcha on nasfaq?
towa....

>>2934180
twap...

>>2934180
it was "tower..." idk about now

pls helpppppp>>2934199

>>2934180
Do your archive reps anon.

>>2934293
thats the answer

>>2933368
>>2934293
Anon type "twap..."
Yes with the ellipses.

>wake up
>profile in red
>still jumped up 10 places

>>2934293

>>2934354
thx you so much

>>2934408
most people do not live in the shithole that is /hlgg/
we just keep to our oshi threads

>>2934497
>Towa...
>/hlgg/
How fucking new?

>>2934728
tom brady...

>>2934728
Toyotomi Hideyoshi...

>>2934728
like i said, keep to my oshi thread. don't know nothing about your shitposts

>>2934497
Imagine being a weak heart you let shitposter got into your skin
Open
>jp/hlg
>vt/hlgg
>GGG
>WAH
>Nasfaq
>Watamelon
>HolofightZ

>>2935065
Seriously some threads here are so used to the shitposters they are beloved members of their posting family. Like that one schizo in the Delta threads who just hates that little triangel. Hell he is so well known when we see him shitting on her in other threads we tell him to come home because we miss him.

Anon if you are reading this we are all thinking about you. We hope you are doing alright and that you will make a full recovery.

Also HONK ADD DELTA COIN ONEGAI! I AM BEGGING YOU HONK!

>>2935065
who said i did? i just said i have better things to do with my time - like watch my oshi

>>2935326
>Hell he is so well known when we see him shitting on her in other threads we tell him to come home because we miss him.
No, we don't.

>>2935747
I miss him anon. He is an important person to me. Even if he is a faggot.

>>2935724
>shithole
That means you already let them crawl into your skin

I warned you all for weeks the Nene Market was on the way! Well well look who is laughing now.

>>2935984
Do you prefer circlejerk? kek

When is Nene crashing down to her usual price? She is way too overpriced right now.

So, when do I get the verification link? I registered a few hours ago and still got nothing in my inbox.

>Ui
>Nana
Add Pochi

>>2936545
And Ayamy, Rurudo, Nishizawa. Dev, please.

>>2936541
check your spam

>>2936781
I did, nothing there. I'll wait a few hours and delete recreate the account to see if I get something.

>>2936401
>Circlejerk
>I open various threads
It seems you mistaken yourself

>>2936858
I know some emails won't receive the confirmation email. I know gmail works for sure tthough

>>2937084
Ah, I'll use gmail then. Thanks.

what was this spike down a little ago about? just me?

>>2935326
fuck off to your containment thread, saviourfag turbosimp
>imagine stalking a japanese chick because she once streamed for ~2:30

Somehow, this happened.

wait why are we pumping ui?

>>2938102
That's expected. You got bogged by price fluctuations.

>>2938102
yeah i got that too, must be the jews

>>2937426
Adding context could help.

>>2938249
the graph's my networth, it randomly dipped hard for a single cycle earlier, was wondering if anyone else had this.

>>2935984
>accurately describe something
>"it's gotten under your skin!"
No, I can just read it from a mile away.

>>2939309
Will it ever be satisfying to look at the balance again?

Nothing has moved more than 5% all day despite some pretty great streams so I'm holding the exact some positions I was 12 hours ago, it's so dull.

>>2939506
Lucky you. I've sold coins "for profit" yet my numbers keep going down

>>2939506
My profit on the last 24 hours is exactly 5%

>>2939694
1. Did you own few CoCo?
2. Did you buy Coco at $1600 yesterday?

>>2939802
1. No
2. No

>>2939802
1. I still hold 10 that I bought at 2.5k
2. yes

>>2939888
If you had bought at least 10 Coco you wouldn't be holding that bag.

>>2940056

>>2939888
If you had bough Coco at yesterdays low price, you wouldn't be holding that bag. I was dumb enough to think the Devs would reimburse us and so I thought I would be a good guy and not buy at that low price. The devs even said not to buy. But look at me now. Financially ruined

>>2940142
Not him, but I bought 6 yesterday, a dev post mentioned checking transactions from pre-crash so we wouldn't be able to benefit from this so I thought that was worth the risk, and if not it was still undervalued. Had 15 total at 2100 cost basis, sold 10 so far, just holding the rest. I'm up exactly 6% from pre-adjustment without a single negative coin.

>>2940142
I remember devs saying to buy desu.

>Old System
>People making fake money out of thin air
>New system
>No one makes money no matter what they do except for dividends at the end of the week
Bravo Honk

>>2941099
there is no honk only zhonk

did civia get adjusted down last cycle, or was it simply that everyone sold her off to buy other shit? The first adjustment with the new system she didn't really lose any value so it'd be weird if she adjusted down so hard with the same exact numbers (aka 0)

>>2942457
wait I'm a retard it definitely wasn't selling off. it was definitely the adjustment then which doesn't make any sense.

>>2942457
She was.
My model is really fucky yes

>>2942528
Forgot pic because I'm a double retard

>>2942528
>get 0 views friday
>get 0 views saturday
>value go down
I'm guessing this is the new algo considering civia overvalued for 0 views, rather than caring at all about her comparative performance to yesterday? No explanation I'm thinking of really explains why she was fine for the first adjustment with the new algo

>>2942708
Her "absolute" value is going down at a slow pace because of the negative views adding up every day I think. I didn't look at this thing enough to understand what's going on.

>>2942708
Disregard my graph, it's late by one day sorry.

regardless of that mistake, did anyone else fall way out of your prediction MLanon?

>tfw you are singlehandedly taking your oshi to the moon

I was wondering why there's been such little movement today so I looked at the daily history, I suggest you do the same, it's pretty funny. One of the best performing coins today is Aqua and she didn't even stream.

>>2944407
Kiara had one of the funniest streams and she's going down?

>>2944468
She's always going down.

I suspect adjustments will actually be quite good because a lot of the holos had a really good day and nobody is buying ANYTHING.

>>2937617
>Delta literally streamed this week and her numbers would put her at a mid tier coin once she gets the credits set up and relists the video
Anon why are you confusing a delisted coin with a currently private coin? I just want to shitpost TRIANGLE IS THE COIN OF THE FUTURE! WE'RE GOING TO THE MOON WITHOUT YOU HOLOS! I definitely don't plan to build up hype so I can dump all my holdings after IPO and leave you all bag holding.

I assure you that is definitely not my intention.

>>2943036
Not really, my little bubby seems to be able point in the right direction but fails to get the right magnitude of the adjustment.

>>2944468
>shitbird
>going up
>ever

>>2944468
german humor scared investors

>>2945259
>g*man humor

Where are my rrat betting markets

>>2945399
everyone's selling peko in 5 hours be ready anon

>>2945399
rrats have a really short lifespan

>>2945399
BUY PEKO COINS NOW TRUST ME

>>2945420
>>2945506
sirs?????

>people still sleeping on Coco

>>2945545
Don't listen to >>2945506
he wants you to lose money so you can't buy more peko

>>2945545
Don't listen to >>2945781
he wants you to not make more money by buying more peko

reject rabbit, buy squirrel

Coco is hilariously undervalued for Meme Review+Minecraft. Get in now, she's going to at least 2800 whether it's via player pumping or adjustments.

>>2945725
>>2945921
no one wants your heavy bags

>>2937426
How did you make this graph?

He's not wrong, but she'll crash down so fast it won't matter.

still sending my oshi to the moon

>>2945935
Stay retarded and poor
>>2945949
Stocks don't crash (as hard) anymore, as long as you don't buy a retarded amount of Coco you're gucci.

>>2945949
>>2946071
is there a crab vtuber?

>>2945944
logging leaderboard data and graphing (poorly) with matplotlib. I can do it for any user if you want to see yours

what happened on late october 2020

>>2946284
TrashTaste Podcast.

>>2944744
>hurr durr irrelevant woman is now relevant
no.

she will never be unless she returns to holo
lay off your delusion its hurting you

>>2946584
You sure?
https://i.4cdn.org/vt/1619190082268.jpg

>>2946622
yeah pretty sure
she does nothing of interest
she is not relevant
she will never be a relevant tuber no matter how hard you saviourfag
nobody cares

>>2946584
>>2946673
Anon you just make me want to make a scam copypasta for Delta like you would see on /biz/. Oh well you're lose when Delta debuts her live 2D and releases her music video we'll fly to the moon! You missed the Nene Moon! You missed the Coco Moon! Are you going to remain poor forever and miss the Delta Moon! Don't miss out on this once in a lifetime chance to jump on early! She gained 8k subs after her Public stream that is nearly 7% channel growth in a few days!

For those who are not aware it is common for people to show up on /biz/ and push stocks and coins to buy.

The current meme stock is Bay Horse.
>If its such a for sure moonshot thing, why are you gays here shilling it constantly and not just accumulating more?
Haven't we already explained this to you before
It's very simple
>Junior mining company is found after 18 months of obsessive and painstaking DD by /pmg/ which has the most legitimate 1000x fundamentals and the best risk-reward ratio
>Only problem which it ever had was a lack of working capital/cash to get started with production (about $5 million)
>Company gets a $2 million private placement done and a concentrate deal with one of the biggest firms on earth--simply needs a little bit more money to make sure that it gets over the finishing-line
>/pmg/ buys up 10% of the float and the share price soars
>Warrants and options get exercised en masse as a result, putting massive amounts of cash directly into the company treasury (Graeme O'Neill the CEO alone just personally exercised options for $250,000 yesterday and a U. S. whale put $1 million straight into the Bayhorse bank account)
>Company can now succeed with production because it finally has the cash which it needs
>/pmg/ now has insider knowledge that they own the floor of a soon-to-be successful silver producer for a bottom-of-the-barrel market cap, trading at only 2x cash flow
>Imminent production and drilling NRs are about to come in; normies will flood in upon the minuscule amount of shares which are actually available to buy (because we've already bought them all), share price will soar to the moon
>Virtuous cycle will happen again because of the share price soaring, more 0.30 CAD warrants will get exercised, even more cash will come into the company
>Production will keep ramping up even further, Brandywine will be developed, 400 tpd upgrade, more property acquisition, more drilling at Bayhorse Mine etc.
>/pmg/ continues to hold and makes a fortune

This is all memeing for fun we are talking about Chuubas it is not that serious. Relax.

Polkacoin is all over the fucking place and her dividends aren't good but I still buy it because she makes my dick hard

>>2946673
>says the increasingly nervous man
cope

>>2946882
Their lose they have their chance to be on the ground floor of one of the most undervalued coins in history! So undervalued that it isn't even listed on the NASFAQ!

>>2946824
Same here my clown

>>2946939
I'm not even talking about the coin. Once her album drops + l2d debut she's going to the moon

>>2946980
Shoot man once she drops those 2 streams in May there will be no stopping it. All the normies will jump on the train and we'll go parabolic! Anon will be wishing they hopped on when they had the chance! We won't even be thinking of the Moon we'll be leaving the Solar System!

>>2947057
I mean she hit 100K subscribers despite only doing 2 public streams in like 6 months. That's kind of a big deal.

>>2947157
Anon the kayfabe. There is a Delta thread. Now then for my real business.

honk! HONK YOU CLOWN LOVING FAGGOT! WHEN ARE YOU ADDING NEW COINS TO THE MARKET! DON'T ACT LIKE THIS IS HOLOLIVE EXCLUSIVE WHEN YOU LITERALLY HAVE 2 NON HOLOS AND 1 HOLO WHO WAS FORCED TO GRADUATE ON THE MARKET! I DEMAND AN ANSWER HONK! GIVE ME AN ANSWER AND THIS HORROR WILL COME TO AN END!

Are the top 10's positions supposed to make any sense? Just holding onto the wealth they still have? Also what's with all the Calli, what am I missing, she didn't stream today right?

whens niji market
whens 774

>>2947909
Calli has one of the highest dividends and she was an extremely undervalued steal early on.

>>2947960
so just holding for the entire week? fair enough, seeing people actually hold things is new.

>>2947909
Its too time consuming to move all their positions so they will normally just hold strong dividend coins

>>2948003
>normally
weren't they all doing like 500 trades a day just a few days ago? did the new update really kill HF trading that bad? I remember peaking at their wallets and they'd have 20 of a few different easy gains.

how is this not the correct answer

>>2947909
yea the top 10's positions aren't exactly optimal for gaining money fast right now, you probably shouldn't copy them, especially me (mogu). I have irl reps this game has gotten in the way of so I'm just buying okayu and doing nothing else.
>>2948088
the new way of adjustments working makes it so that hoarding 20+ coins of something that's easily profitable the day of isn't as viable as it used to be since if it goes over the threshold of what it was supposed to adjust up to, nothing would happen, meaning it would take much less than 20 cycles for the price to come crashing down. and honestly thank god, I was so sick of spending 8 hours buying a single coin

>>2947909
Their positions don't make sense to you because you probably do not have the capital/buying power to have a portfolio like them. Their money appreciates just by existing, while anyone underneath them has to have aggressive higher risk growth portfolios.

>>2948088
A few days ago their networth was a lot lower

>>2946121
Kani?

>>2948292
Thanks anon, it will be called cunny market from now on

>>2947909
If you want to look at their daily positions just look at the coins that theyre holding only a couple of

I'm going to buy daggercoin until I go red, then only log in again when she reaches ONE MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. See you until then.

Cowards selling friend just because her views are in the negative! She is at her average daily views so it shouldn't change guys!

>>2948522
Anon you will receive dividends. You better buy her every time you have enough for more dagger.

>>2948604
of course. whatever you so friend

While I'm glad I bought before the spike, I'm actually surprised how high Comet stocks are going, and nowhere else to go but Mars.

>>2949021
What the hell? Why is she mooning like that?

>>2949042
collab today+being THE oshicoin

>>2949184
I see.

I know this has been discussed to death already but I really don't like the current flow of the game.
I'm just sitting here with the queue open buying every time I see other people sell a stock 2-3 times in a row and I'm making money off this without even touching Holostats or Socialblade.

This is stupid.

Rate.

>>2949249
so what do you prefer? the previous version of the economy wherein the only viable way to play is within the first 3 hours after adjustment?

>>2949352
It's not an either/or situation anon, devs could invest in a server that doesn't take 15 minutes to update so there's more clarity in how transactions work.

>>2949383
Unpaid devs please undastand.

>>2949383
my bad. well, i agree with you in regards to that. Sadly devs don't have that much money imo to invest in a better server so i think it's better to just remove the queue thing for clarity

>>2949249
Realistically how much are you making? It's probably not more than $30-50 a trade

just move the adjustment to a reasonable time like 8AM EST
this is both an acceptable time for a real human bean to be awake at, and also roughly prime time when everyone is streaming.

>>2949499
Exactly. if they can't properly implement this system then they need to find a different one that works within their tech limitations.

The old system had problems in that the vast majority of movement was in the hour before and 3 hours after adjustment but that's probably the only system they could pull off without being able to offer instant updates.

>>2949574
How much is everyone else realistically making hording coins that will collapse the first hour after adjustment? Yeah I'm not making a lot of money but it's enough to move up the leaderboard. Everyone trying to make "sound investments" is getting fucked in the ass compared to daytraders because it's impossible to offload all your investments before they crash every night.

>>2949591
can't because youtube a shit

>>2949591
Probably not a good idea considering youtube scrappers don't scrape immediately and you'll have bogged views/numbers in a more unexpected fashion than what we have now.

>>2949616
If you get in early enough then you can amass a decent pile and start selling preadjustment and just leave a couple to sell post adjustment

>>2949645
>>2949648
I'm not suggesting the 8AM adjustment take the currently ongoing streams into account, just that there'll be streams to watch while you trade coins on 15 minute intervals.

>>2949727
zhonk complained about the feasibility anyway

>>2949703
That strategy is also just exploiting human psychology though. It just confirms adjustments don't mean anything anymore since prices will actually go down instead of up.
They need to find some way to keep the game about Hololive, and that's not possible in the current economy.

Massing has always been foolish, but trying to get money through a bigger investment than 3 stocks in the old system was folly, and here it's limited to 1 stock.
This is no longer a game of trading, but rather holding. You hold one coin, invest in another and never do anything until dividends comes. This game isn't played during the day, night, before or after adjustments, you just can't play at all

>>2949766
The strategy is doing your reps by following them on twitter and watching their streams and getting in early. If not one catches on then you can hold until adjustments and if everyone catches on then you have the room to start selling before adjustments.

>>2949805
Anon, since you're too stupid to come up with a strategy, here's one laid out for you. Research who's going to do a stream beforehand and buy her up when adjustments occur. You'll make a lot of money off of people merely buying her after you've already bought.
If you know a day beforehand that a stream is going to be extremely popular, you can take a gamble and buy a lot of a certain girl even before adjustment in hopes that people buying in preparation for the adjustment the next day will raise the price far past your buy-in point.
Hours before adjustment happens, if you realize that a girl is overvalued in comparison to what you believe her adjustment will be, sell her off before anybody else realizes, because the sell off after nothing happens post-adjustment will be far more rapid.

>>2949805
true, for now. devs mentioned that there are planned updates that will make this kind of economy actually playable like shorting etc.

>>2950075
>Research
Good thing I can talk directly to every chuuba before they tweet out so I can be ahead of the pack. Oh wait, I can't.
Yeah, enjoy your Rrat race simulator

>>2950666
You're still making money even if people buy it all at the same time, do you have any clue how stocks work?
The only situation where this isn't the case is if you bought late into the cycle and for whatever reason everybody decides to dump it on you the very next cycle.
Also keep in mind, most anons in this thread aren't doing their twitter reps.

>>2949591
>real human bean to be awake at,
Real human bean from not the shithole called america, that's when I sleep. No.

>>2950719
>do you have any clue how stocks work?
I think that is the problem with most people complaining

What did FBK lose this time?

>>2950719
>Oh boy, I can't wait to stalk twitter and queue like a full time job
Yeah, fuck off.

Hachamaa is back, buy haatocoin NOW

>>2950957
No argument then? Cool.
Also, this isn't some kind of new unheard of strategy anon. If you're unwilling to put in the effort, then feel free to keep hemorrhaging money.
Following the holos and checking twitter or youtube every once in a while isn't difficult btw.

is it too late to buy into marine?

>>2951503
fuck it I bought

>>2950858
I just buy Fubuki when she's low and don't sell.

>Coco still low
It's time for free money lol

done selling everything I bought this morning off. time to get some proper sleep for the first night since I started this game. thanks devs

>>2951898
people who stay up for the adjustment/are in an irrelevant timezone will probably make more gains but you gotta do what you gotta do while waiting for the ability to buy/sell at certain prices

>>2949249
ほろらいぶばぶ

>>2941099
>No one make money
lmao at this guy

>>2952006
ホロライブバブ

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the entire update would have been great without the timing shit. Pople's perceptions of the update were ruined by the timing system being so bad

>>2952089
Dev can blame themselves for this one. I actually manage to make money after knowing how this work.
They did it without giving some details about what new updates supposed to be, and only give a small announcement about new economy 24 hours prior and that's it, they just want to fuck over bag holders for this surprise.
Funny from this thread speed alone you can guess there are so many anon quit from playing nasfaq and the new player got filtered hard to try this game.

>>2952665
The economy still doesn't "work" and they'll have to keep tweaking it for at least a week or two before it functions how it's supposed to. That's assuming they even get it working which I have doubts about since again, it needs immediate updates not 15 minute intervals.
They honestly should've just created a test environment for this shit to gather feedback instead of crashing the economy. Like sure they can just call this the test environment and reset the economy once it's working, but so many players have abandoned the game that will never come back.
These threads used to get 100 unique IP's, this one is at fucking 46 after 14 hours.

Dev or honk if you are still here, what is your next step to unfuck this disaster?
Please give some updates.

>>2952953
Buy Civia

>>2952953
We're planning on refactoring the market to move away from broker cycles and just handle coin prices on a case-by-base, real time, pay-what-you-see basis, with each transaction affecting the price immediately. That may come within the coming weeks. We're also discussing the best way to handle the daily adjustments. We all feel pretty bad about how we handled the update, and hope that users who quit will come back with these changes.
In the meantime, expect some new leaderboard features, cosmetics, and a few IPOs

>>2953074
Sounds fun. Especially IPO hype.

>>2952953
sell daggercoin
so i can buy more

>>2953074
what do you mean by cosmetics?

>>2953074
Will you guys keep the cooldown on transactions? If so I think you should reduce it to 5 minutes. Not everyone has all day to sit there buying coins and it's not exactly profitable to hold 10+ of a coin anymore anyway.

>>2953074
Please do a beta test before changing anything again. If you're worried about server space run the test on a select few coins first.

>>2946761
meds

lmao that Coco adjustment

Now that's more like it.

>>2953074
I wish you all the best.

>>2953239
THERE AREN'T MEDS STRONG ENOUGH FOR ME ANON!

Alright Ayunda Financial, I KNEEL

JESAS

>>2953269

>>2953269
10-gauge administered directly to the head will do

>Coco 5000
I should have bought more jfc laughing at this fucking morons who didn't listen to me earlier today.

Fubuki rose in value? wut?

>>2953246
Damn shoulda bought even harder.

The dragon just fly...

WHY DID I FORGET HAATO WAS GOING TO FREEFALL AAAAAAAA

and now we wait.

Please stop making Civia go down I bought some for the meme of it and I'm losing money now

Half the coins I was watching didn't update, thanks honk

>Civia dropped again
Goodbye, Financivicuck.

I don't understand these adjustments. I am on point with Miko and flare but coco? fubuki? wtf

>>2953331
I TRIED STILL NOT STRONG ENOUGH!

Real talk why are you so mad all the time anon?

Uhhh, Fubuki got another video delisted and went UP?

>>2953074
By the way this adjustment makes it clear to me that the cooldown really fucks you over. If you buy 2 minutes late after adjusment then you'll be even later for the next cycle and every cycle afterwards. And since timing is all that matters it means you're completely fucked.

>>2953386
you can see people who sold fbk at the top during the middle of the day actually made more

>didn't notice the time until 5 minutes after adjustment happened
>lost a shit ton of cash because of it
I know you subhuman retards like to pretend this system is somehow better, but it's really not. Now it's not "be awake at 1:05AM and you have 10 minutes" it's "be staring at the site at 1:05AM and IMMEDIATELY be ready to buy/sell, you have less than 1 minute to buy/sell everything or you get fucked"
Now all of my gains are completely gone because I'm late in the cycle and will get the lowest possible prices for my investments as I'm forced to be the last one selling (thanks for your dogshit 15 minute cooldowns!)

>>2953386
Coco's meme review yesterday was huge dude. I didn't expect 5K huge but it was definitely going up.

YEEAAAHH COCO!!! GLAD I SAVE SOME!!!

>>2953420
I'll report back, just bought all the fucking dips.

>>2953430
Actually if you sell at 5 you're fucked, because the next cycle is at 15, so you're always 5 minutes late

I bought some dips that I wanted for today anyway at :07 and paid near the top for all of them, this is fucking dumb.

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
I sold all my coco coins yesterday someone kill me already

>>2953449
mfw I bought more

>>2953431
yeah i double checked her views now. im stupid

>>2953473
You win on the first cycle and that's what really matters, you'll be in with all the other people selling first cycle.

here's for some comparisons with the graph, times are there.

>>2953483
Same, sold 15 coco coin yesterday

>>2953483
I literally spent all day telling you retards to buy, I sold all of my Coco yesterday too but then I bought back in at 2200 and now I'm making a killing. All you had to do was listen to me, the numbers were there.

No one cares about you dude

My only regret was being too conservative and assuming she would only hit like 3000-3500, If I knew it was going to literally double in value I would have loaded up to like 8 or 10 coins.
>imagine not buying Coco at 2200 on the day of meme review after she ALSO did a Minecraft stream

>All these retards getting baited into buying Haato just because of a tweet.

>>2953492
The cycle literally doesn't matter beyond an information update any longer, I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. If you sell at the end of the first cycle, there's no difference from selling at the start of the second cycle. It's literally a realtime market now with the caveat that you only have 15 minute glimpses of the price.

>>2953565
From 0:10 to 23:50 it's rrat market

Please buy more Ina coin

>>2953565
fuck you she's going to stream

this involved some wild clicking

>>2953565
It doesn't matter, she can only go up after this.

>>2953386
Coco - meme review and the coin was undervalued due to people selling yesterday

>>2953590
She streamed last night on her new channel anon.

>>2953565
>implying i will not sell after the pump

I cant unload fast enough...

I'm really hoping Civia continues to drop daily, it can't stay pumped up forever on memes. Eventually people will cut their losses, it'll plummet and Financivial will go back to the bottom of the leaderboard where he belongs with 200 worthless toilet paper shares.

>>2953503
and the sell cycle.

lmao, just lost 9k in a cycle just from stuff I hold going down, no fun allowed

I think the coco thing was due to the fact that the game thinks that coco started the day yesterday at 3.9k from the manual adjustment. So the fact that she actually went down instead of going up like the adjustment thought it would made it so that coco covered ground back to 3.9k PLUS what she should have adjusted? Just my assumption though

>>2953656
Civia is being pumped every time it drops, no one cares about losing money because it's funny.

Can't wait for Haato to cancel on you guys suddenly and ruin your buys

>>2936604
rurudo streams?

>>2953683
She's my oshi so I'm conflicted. On one hand I want her to cancel the stream so everyone mass sells their Haatos and I can buy them all, but on the other I want her to come back.

>>2953692
I think she very occasionally streams but doesn't keep archives

>>2953683
I do Twitter reps, anon. If she actually graduates, I will sell all my Haato coins and then tell you about graduation

Did I miss the weekly dividend tier list post?

>>2953702
One of those is more important than other IMO.

>>2953692
I heard she did some time. I never watched her though.

>>2953660
takeaways (no complaining, it's kinda the same as before but now you see how much you paid or gained later on):
- the leaderboard is scuffed right now because the portfolio values are, you are sometimes listed with the predicted changes, sometimes without
- most of the very delicious sales were already -$100 one minute after adjustment
-

>>2953714
I haven't seen one this time, might've quit.

Did dev change something? Or did the system fix itself after players adapted to new economy?

>>2953753
Looking at transaction history from Sunday, literally half of them are taking a break or quit.

stop buying friend

>>2953753
players adapted i think.

>>2953683
I will buy anything on dipp, it doesn't matter.
She can only go up after this and if she decided to cancel it just sell it before the adjustment.

>>2953753
A decent chunk of people either quit or went on break

SEC chart anon, pls make a chart to see how many players are still playing

Glad to know that I'm in the top 2.3% rich now.

>>2953811
I'm taking a break and working on the ml algo but I'll try to drop some.

>>2953753
Probably 50-70% of players aren't actively playing anymore. Maybe the devs can court them to return if they improve the economy but currently things are a shitshow still.

>>2932657
it's more like i'm just observing right now, and i still want to play the game
even though i'm down 5 places in the leaderboard now
at least my oshicoins are still keeping me afloat

Uh, I just lost 20k and I have no idea why.

>>2953852
I wanted to go all oshicoin for a while now but both of them adjusted upwards and refuse to go down under the new economy

guess my shilling finally paid off

>>2953940
show portfolio I'll tell you, might also be outstanding buy orders.

>>2953940
If you buy or sell coins, your net worth on the profile page is not accurate.

>>2953950
I don't think the buy orders went up THAT much

So much of the daily trading volume and price movement being tied to the daily adjustments just feels bad. I'd rather they got removed altogether and the price fluctuated more heavily through the day.

>>2953968
Ayunda...

>take a shit
>lose all of my portfolio's value
Mobile site when?

>>2953969
But then you'd have a market simulator with 0% relation to the Holos.

>>2953969
Price fluctuating throughout the day would make it inaccurate to holos.

>>2953967
Dropped 20k on the leaderboard too
>>2953980
bro I'm so confused

All I'm saying is I wouldn't mind if Risu sat on my face.

Please buy more Inanis coin

>>2953988
>>2953984
Daily dividends based on Holo performance was an idea that was floated around to replace adjustments.

Pay2win feature when

>>2953984
Dunno how feasible it is, but having the daily adjustments be spread out through the day in smaller increments would help a bunch.
The way it currently is, is pretty awful though. Buying coins when they dip 30% or more of their value on adjustments is just the easiest money ever made

>Everyone is STILL pumping Haato
More money for me I guess.
It won't be profitable to stockpile her when everyone will dump their stocks all at once if she cancels the stream. You'll just be left holding the bag if you didn't do your Twitter reps.

>>2953988
it's not very accurate to holos right now with miko and coco pumping 1k+ coins on their adjustments and going back to what it was before in less than an hour

>>2953968
compare to

>>2953503
>>2953660

for a vague insight what the first cycle changes.
In general should be your Treerrats fluctuating, really.
You might just get confused from the new profile which just takes buy orders' predicted change immediately as well as gives you sales in value but not in the balance yet. I've been between 130k and 174k today and you only ever get a good reading after the cycle ends anymore.

>>2954007
So just do away with the current adjustment system altogether and have daily dividend payouts instead? I mean, it would work but people on this thread have already complained for days that the prices have nothing to do with the Holos anymore and I feel like if they remove adjustments those complaints will just get louder.

>>2953998
oof, another big lost perhaps?

>log in
>the market is already stable
>fell 4 spots
At least I expect my shuba strat can work in the long run

Please never implement daily dividends.

>>2954062
Daily dividends replacing adjustments wouldn't be removing them though. It'd just make the prices less volatile. You'd still get big chunks of money when your oshi overperforms expectations so it's still related to Hololive and encourages buying strategically instead of just following price movements in the queue. It also rewards holding lots of coins of a single girl since you get immediately rewarded for all of them instead of panicking over whether you can sell 30+ coins before they crash.

>>2954090
*dumps Shuba*

>>2954007
This ultimately replaces the game with holding just gura, hololive, marine, korone, peko, miko, etc. There is no reason to ever hold anything else.

>>2954104
inflation? daily divies will turn this game to a money printer simulator

>>2954104
Daily Dividends is the stupidest idea. Coin prices will never fall at all everyone would just go for the biggest most consistent streamer. Stop being a market socialist or some shit like that.

Jesus christ Fubuki tweets a lot, I'm sure there's some useful information in here somewhere...

>>2954137
The idea would be changing how dividends work to fluctuate more based on daily performance instead of long term growth. So a big event for your oshi might reward you $1k that day. Gura having "average" daily performance would mean her dividends are just average/slightly above average instead of insanely high once you factor out her sub count and make it purely about daily performance.

>>2953811
My toaster died twice during the process
https://files.catbox.moe/lmtwgj.pdf

>>2954007
this is asking for hyperinflation, enjoy your $4000 Akicoin

>>2954062
it's a delicate thing to balance.
Nenechi going big for a while was expected and a good thing, but the week after she should've been back to usual numbers and she's STILL overvalued as fuck. Then we look at Botan, no HUGE stuff but generally good numbers, undervalued at between 1400 and 1800.

Botan made 280k Views today, Mikochi did 410k now look at the prices. It's all weird and my expectation that the line "holos will now adjust to their actual value each adjustment" actually makes most of them go down went out of the window already with Nenechi outperforming Botan the whole time despite having lower numbers and even two fucking days off in between.

>>2954035
I am very much in favor of 4-8 adjustments a day, then again stats are daily or weekly in nature so our stepping stone for updates is already the first hurdle. If you spread it out, it all comes down to people being there for adjustment No 1 and then just acting accordingly for the following ones.

>>2954190
"I want free money daily so I can buy all the neat coins"

We'll be at $10k Guras in no time flat. Free money is a shit idea.

is the queue fucked up right now? I'm not getting my rushia coin

Really? This is the reason people are buying Haato?
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1386502919013367808

>>2954211
Inflation unironically doesn't matter as long as it's fun.

>>2954220
Yes

>>2954220
unironically yes, meds away

>>2954224
Tell me how you have fun:

Oshicoiner:
>I want to have fun
>a big fat number behind my oshicoin, yeah that's fun
>oh shit my oshi is now $2000 overvalued and won't go down ever?

Daytrader:
>I want to have fun
>I like day trading and making informed decisions
>buy low sell high yeah

>everything eventually goes up
>just press buy a bunch and wait
>/biz/ approved stonks genius

Systems Abuser:
>botting

none of this involves watching any holos.

>>2954209
That's not as bad as I was expecting, I'm surprised how many people haven't done anything in a week but are still relatively high.

>>2954190
This is ignoring the part where gura daily numbers are still much much higher than 90% of the other girls. The same especially to people like marine and peko who rarely have down downs in terms of numbers. Daily dividends would massively discourage branching out to other girls because the "average" gains will still be much higher per cost of the coin. Big events would just result in people putting their daily gains into the event and then pull out right after because there is no reason to ever sell the bank coins. It's literally just free money that removes any sort of reason to actually play the game at all.

>>2954211
I feel like a lot of what people do these days here is just complain without offering any ideas that will actually work. I didn't mind the old economy but that shit was basically a money printer and I could literally not lose money. This new economy tried to fix that shit but the systems the devchamas put in aren't exactly the best and yet I bet if half the ideas the thread throws out get implemented they'd somehow fuck the economy even worse than it is.

>>2954211
>I am very much in favor of 4-8 adjustments a day, then again stats are daily or weekly in nature so our stepping stone for updates is already the first hurdle.
Use other metrics maybe. Deepl the tweets and feed them to BERT, then adjust with what the sentiment analysis gives you and display said tweets on the website. I could be hilariously bogged with fake positives.
>>2954271
They did not lose 50k on Coco and such.

Oh good I fell another 16k, back to bed it is.

>>2954285
I'm with you on this one actually, I would never trust a thread full of people playing a game with improving my game if it is competitive, because every idea will just help that person in particular.

Non-Top 100s will cry for daily divvies, Top 100 will want more chances to buy low sell high so they can climb, Top 10 doesn't give a fuck anymore.

>>2954209
Man activity really drops off past top 20 but I guess there's only so much you can do with limited amounts of money

Why are people stockpiling azki?

how many of you has om3tcw as their password? i do

>>2954347
She's going to be huge tomorrow.
As for me, I just like the Frog.

>>2954356
Man, just imagine if they left login as your name. Your account would be mine now, anon.

>>2954356

>>2954300
this would actually be fun as hell lmao

>>2954326
i've been playing since launch and i barely got 30k just because 99% of the time im not awake for the 1 hour adjustment window where all free money is made and it'd be cool to see that change

>>2954269
The devs said they'll be adding cosmetics and other shit you can actually spend your excess money on to keep things fun. That's the real solution for inflation, giving alternative uses for money.
Coins will drop in value on days they don't stream because people will offload them to buy coins that will actually give you money that day. It's not like this is a real stock market, rewarding players who stick with it long term is called player retention not inflation.
>>2954279
There's definitely things that need to be ironed out, like setting a baseline for each coin that rewards overperforming instead of being average. Gura shouldn't give higher dividends than Mel when they're both only getting average viewership, and in fact Gura should have inherently more risk involved since her viewers are more likely to go down over time than Mel's as she already hit rock bottom. Stuff like this that incentivizes paying attention to schedules instead of just making value judgements on which coin is "stronger" is what the devs should focus on.

>>2954326
How would daily divvies help the non-top 100's? The people at the top will gain money faster than the people at the bottom just by virtue of being able to own more coins. Obviously that needs to be addressed but the idea on its own would be more beneficial to people who already have money, not those who are trying to climb.

>>2954418
>cosmetics
It better be rrat ads and not shitty emojis or custom layout.

>>2954437
I'm not a dev but Honk made it sound like leaderboard flex shit. Like custom icons, maybe banners, etc.
I agree it should be rrat ads.

Going to be exclusive tag to show up leaders saying I'm a clussy fucker

>>2954418
Yeah some way to objectively judge strength of a coin would be really interesting

>>2954465
Then go for >>2924681

Make it so if you own civia you can't buy cococoin and visa versa

>>2954413
yeah this is much more of a fundamental problem than one would think, I'm awake since I need to work anyways and worked from 5k up to 140k basically just playing adjustments.

I think something like a rolling schedule could actually work, something like +6 hours daily or even less.

When are they gonna add more vtubers anyway?
Even if they don't wanna add indies or Nijis I'm still waiting for Pochicoins and Deltacoins.

>>2954504
Pretty sure the only reason Civia is the only CN included is because she was the only one who was nice about the Coco situation instead of starting drama. My rrats could be wrong though.

What did /hlgg/ think about Haachama's new tweet? Can't check now.

>>2954513
Or add automated queues for up to 3/5 coins after the adjust.

>>2954547
Nothing. They're not buying into the shitty rrat.

>>2954529
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH MESUGAKI ToT

>>2954529
she was the only cn with a youtube channel, but that begs the question why not aloe? we'll never know I suppose

auction wars for exclusive holo items that can be checked on your profile display case

Cunny coin or uoooooooohhhh coin?

>>2954547
I'm confused why people even care what the EOPs think about japanese tweets.

>>2954570
I had not thought about auctions. The autism would be insane.

>>2953998
I figured it out, the leaderboards take your fucked up net worth on the profile page for the next update.
This might be why people see some big fluctuations in the leaderboard.

The new system is actually working no? People seem much more afraid of overvaluing.

Orange Woman...
Can we string Oshi changers up?

>>2954886
It was a ploy in case you didn't read the actual username

>>2954886
that's a mighty sad portfolio for a 35p

>>2955050
I barely have any of my Oshi either, too busy playing the rat race trying to ladder climb into the Top 20 or so. Really I just want to be on good pace to 1 million.

The sad thing about this new updates is player seems inactive or probably leaving.
I don't really care about technical stuff..

>>2953714
Not the same guy but I made one (ascending from left to right)

>>2957181
Sorafags how are we ever going to recover...

She ended up at something like 29.9%

>>2957352
Do you run a script to get it? I'm crunching the numbers by hand to determine what/when to buy and fuck is this tedious.

>>2957503
No I ended up just doing it by hand because I happened to have the data saved

Dead coin

>>2957523
How heavily have dividend payouts shifted from week to week?

>>2957681
Week 2 on the left and Week 1 on the right, if you're asking about the actual payout in $ then I don't have that data saved but the payouts are definitely increasing, I think Gura paid out only 600 the first week and Hololive only paid around 500

>>2957718
I'm just trying to judge if this week's performance is a reliable indicator for buy prices for next week's dividends, I assume they shouldn't go up/down TOO much.

Interesting, there are a lot of underperformers who are severely overvalued despite their "low" prices that make little sense as dividend stocks.
Also Civia is a hilarious 1% return on investment, and would be a sound purchase at around $60/share.

>>2957920
Keep in mind that some coins have their prices raised up before dividend hand outs due to having a big stream the previous night so their efficiency gets tanked by a lot. Coco being one example

>>2957968
Sure, but as far as I'm concerned efficiency is the price you buy in at. If you buy Coco at 2000, you've made a solid dividend investment. I guess there's the concern of selling them before the adjustment to make profit rather than claiming dividends, but still.

>>2958018
If you buy in Coco at 2000 and she gets pumped to 2900. You easily sell that share of Coco to buy two shares of something more dividend efficient at its current price

Am I doing this right

>Coco still at 3.1k
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
I should have bought more Coco yesterday

>>2958106
You say that, but a lot of the market right now is incredibly overvalued. There are a few coins that are severely undervalued that I'm tempted to buy, but they're on a straight upwards trajectory and I'm greedy enough to hope people sell and drive them down (or they have a poor adjustment)

>>2958146
You have to take into account inflation from dividends being handed out every week but yeah undervalued coins are definitely getting bought up really fast right now

>>2958195
It's amazing how overvalued a lot of the market is right now. For example Indogs, the only one actually worth buying is Moona.
All of Gen 4 is a bad purchase right now too.

The secret to my success? I just buy whichever chuubas have the best thumbnails!

>>2958618
Buy the right coins two days in advance.

Do NOT buy Towa (she is currently a 16% return on investment)

>>2956913
Buy suisei

>>2958656
Who the fuck are you? Are you "Imyourtarget"?

>>2954220
>You take the Aria path - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the Haato path - you stay in Haachamaworld and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>2958715
Suisei is seriously overvalued but I might buy some when she's at a reasonable price again.

>>2958835
it doesn't matter who I am do NOT FUCKING BUY TOWA

>>2958715
based comet

>>2958892
>do NOT FUCKING BUY TOWA
what? you out of money? Watch me as I pump Towa to the moon

>>2958978
LET US PUMP

>>2958978
FOLLOW ME, LOST SOULS

LETS GO

Damn, social blade's search engine is so fucking retarded this is insane.

That price scale for Gura is so misleading rn.

kek 2 cycles of daytrading and i'm already back to my pre-update ranking
observation period was helpful

>>2959013
>>2958987
>>2958978
enjoy holding his bag as he sells.

>>2959258
But nobody bought...

>>2959301
>>2959013
??????

>>2959258
>towa went up

>tell the retards not to make a stupid investment
>they do
Interesting... wonder if I can pump a coin I hold later today.

>>2959307
Towa went up only by 1 share. And it is definitely the same guy who was egging us along who bought.

don't sell lamy guys...

>>2959400
>meanwhile me shifting my assets suddenly moons my oshi
eh, just means less clicks for me.

I am currently making purchases that would boggle the minds of lesser men. It may appear random; I assure you it is anything but.

>>2959495
If you are not part of the top 10 you dont matter

>>2959597
the painful truth

We're about to launch, are you buckled in?

>>2959837
CALL ME DADDY YOU FUCKING WHORE

She's starting

>>2960444
NO NO NO THIS CANT BE FUCKING HAPPENING THEY TOLD ME SHE WOULD CANCEL IT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO GRADUATE AAAAA MY FUCKIGN MONEY

Schizo arc again!!
Anyway keep buying, it's not stopping!!

>he didn't go all in HAATO, SHION and SUISEI

>>2961225
if the system works like it should it will take Haato's 1 week avg and correct downwards, have fun with that.

>>2961310