/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>29242414
Omegatranny and Noor hate each other and project it on their EN managing

None of the people who still blame this on Cover have explained why they'd tell Kiara she was allowed to record a birthday video for Pomu, then not let it be used at all

>>29242707
How do you know they told her it was ok?

>>29243738
Why would pomu care what a hololive manager has to say?

>>29242707
When did Kiara say she recorded a video for Pomu?

>>29244019
Why wouldn't she care about her birthday stream potentially getting DMCA'd?
And why can't Kiara just post the video message on Twitter?

>>29244597
OK now explain Ange showing Gura on stream

>>29244654
It was a sponsored stream, it was a requirement by the sponsor.
Now explain why Kiara can't just post the video message on Twitter.

>>29244724
There is no kiara video
Don't believe her lies

>>29244724
The point of a birthday video is to watch it and react to it on the birthday
What would be the point of tweeting it on what would have been the next day once she knew it was unusable

>>29244724
I'm curious about one thing, how can people be so sure that it's Kiara's video? Maybe it's a video from her irl family member, because Niji doesn't allow their livers to have their family members talk on stream anymore

>>29244924
So she can still watch and react to it, either on stream or in the twitter comments, even if it was a day later?? Being a day later doesn't make it any less special

>>29245048
Why would she suddenly be allowed to watch it just because it was on Twitter

>>29242414
stop stealing from everything you fucking cuck saplings

>>29242414
>Cover cares about idol image
Is Ame bad now?

>>29245175
Why wouldn't Pomu be allowed to watch it off-stream?? The two of them tweet and comment at each other fairly often.

>>29245272
Why would a video need to be uploaded to Twitter for her to watch it off stream
She already has the file, she just couldn't stream it

>>29245425
Again, if the block is something on NijiEN's side, then why didn't/doesn't Kiara just post the video on her own twitter? That gets around any NijiEN block.

There's no collab ban. It's all a show. It's an act.
>oops no selen ollie
>oopsie no pomu kiara
>made a bday vid for you pomu, but wink wink teehee can't show it :3
it started as a joke that's been going on for probably too long but they're having fun blue balling us and placing collateral blame on omega as a bonus.
All of the recent tempus/iluna 'unity' is them putting an end to this urban legend that'll culminate in an orgy of kiara and pomu getting high views. Mag is being set up as the hero who broke boundaries which is all a ploy to keep stars from fizzing out.

>>29245014
Contextual evidence.
Her family member can just call her. Only a public figure would make a video that can be shown on stream.
Now, who is the only single public figure missing from her birthday that would care enough to make a video?
Who else beside Kiara?

Also, if she mentioned it at all, it’s because she knows her chat can guess it. In a "if you know, you know" fashion.

>>29245514
i belebe it

>>29245484
It's personal message for her. Not PR video.
Also why should Kiara try to get around NijiEN block when it's not her concern. Pomu did receive the message.

>>29245484
You've just looped back to the start of the conversation
Pomu has the video, tweeting it serves no purpose (besides letting (You) watch it I guess but tweeting a late birthday video for the benefit of the fans of someone who wasn't allowed to stream it is just weird and invites awkward conversations)

For comparison I need answers to these question
Did Pomu make a bday video for Kiara?
Did Kiara show it if there was one?

>>29245629
>>29245640
It was a happy birthday message meant to be shown publicly during stream, so there would be no issue also posting it onto Twitter - it's not a private message. And it wouldn't be late, because they would obviously know about a block ahead of time.

>>29242509
God I want to see them hate fuck eachother

>>29245719
Unknown, neither party mentioned one

>>29245843
Yes but not by Kiara. If Pomu somehow decided to not show it. Decision should be respected

>>29245584
>Her family member can just call her
What if she wanted to make a mama Pomu character, done making her video and everything then the management stopped her last second?

>>29245958
But it's not Pomu who decided not to show it, it's (allegedly) NijiEN management. Why should Kiara respect NijiEN management?

>>29245514
A more accurate summation: female vtubers are fickle and socially awkward that’s why inter-agency collabs fizzle out

>>29246050
Why should Kiara mess with management of another company?

>>29246106
And why should Pomu mess with management of another company? Because, again, there is no indication that they had permission from HoloEN management to show the video message.

Long story short, there is no way to tell which side is blocking it. Did Kiara get permission to make the video in the first place? Did HoloEN give permission for the video to be shown on stream? Did NijiEN block the video from being shown? Nobody knows.

>>29245843
If she tweeted it this exact thread would just play out again in her Twitter replies. There's already shitstirrers posting about it on the hololive reddit and getting their threads locked because the comments are 100% angry arguments about whose fault it is
Kiara saying it's never happening on stream seems like her asking people to just shut up about it

>>29246281
>Long story short, there is no way to tell which side is blocking it.
Yes. But every time it's threads claiming Hololive blocking

>>29245048
>>29245272
>>29245425
>>29245484
>>29245843
>>29246050
This argument is fucking retarded. Kiara sent her a video to show onstream. Pomu outright said on twitter she couldn't show it onstream.
Kiara and Pomu constantly mention each other on twitter.
The reason they didn't do what you're suggesting is because there's no point to doing it plain and simple.
NijiEN are the ones blocking the interaction because Pomu couldn't show the video. QED.

>>29246544
>Pomu outright said on twitter she couldn't show it onstream
Pomu said this on stream, not on twitter.
>The reason they didn't do what you're suggesting is because there's no point to doing it plain and simple.
Why wouldn't there be a point? It's one vtuber publicly wishing happy birthday to another.
>NijiEN are the ones blocking the interaction because Pomu couldn't show the video.
Then why didn't Kiara just post the video in order to get around the block?
Now we're looping again

>>29246645
Kiara is chicken and scared of NijiEN management

>>29246645
>Why didn't Kiara do hypothetical action X
Who the fuck cares retard. Why would Kiara have to do anything if Pomu has the video and can just play it.
Why didn't Pomu play the video? Answer the fuckign question.

>>29246281
There's no way of knowing for sure, but it would take some really contrived scenarios for it to be anyone other than NijiEN (the HoloID collab and birthday video are hard to explain without sounding schizophrenic)
And then it's their fans that keep posting bait threads (both here and on the fucking hololive reddit) saying it's Cover's fault while everyone else has just quietly given up on it happening

>>29246645
>Then why didn't Kiara just post the video in order to get around the block?
I like how this is based on NijiEN blocking Pomu from doing it.
Basically
>Yes we know NijiEN blocked Pomu from showing the video but if Kiara doesn't get around the block it's on HoloEN management

>>29246751
Because, if it's NijiEN management blocking it, Kiara can just post the video to twitter to get around it. There is nothing NijiEN management can do to Kiara for posting the video on Twitter.

>>29242707
Gonna really ignore Kiara "new developments"?
also
>Cover allowed her to record
How many times you motherfuckers will keep parroting this shit? You really think they knew she recorded? Are they that much of a black company that anything recorded while using their L2D is being supervisoned by the company?

>>29246972
This just shows that there is no way to tell who is truly blocking it.

>>29246994
>POMU CAN'T PLAY THE VIDEO BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN NIJIEN MANAGEMENT IS BLOCKING IT BECAUSE KIARA ISN'T DOING HYPOTHETICAL ACTION X THAT I CRAFTED
>BECAUSE KIARA ISN'T DOING HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION IT MEANS THAT POMU DIDN'T PLAY THE VIDEO BECAUSE OF HOLOEN MANAGEMENT EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T STOP KIARA FROM GIVING HER THE VIDEO AND TELLING HER TO PLAY IT
>HOLOEN MANAGEMENT CAN MIND CONTROL POMU
Unironically kill yourself retard.

>>29247019
The only 'new development' is Pomu not being allowed to show that video, and the appearance of homostars (who are in a segment where Niji has historically been considerably stronger)
And yes, both holo and NijiJP members have mentioned in the past that they've needed the okay from corporate to record birthday videos for people in other companies

>>29247062
>Kiara new comment that cemented the collab will never happen
>Hololive's reddit deleting posts about nijisanji interactions

>>29247237
>"Hey Kiara, I can't show this video on stream, can you just post it to Twitter?"
Problem solved.

>>29247019
>Records a video to send to a NijiEN member
>doesn't tell Cover
Do Nijifags really?

>>29242414
>hololive
>idol image
pick one

>>29247303
The post wasn't deleted, they locked the comments due to arguing, which they do all the time for posts about anything
You can literally search for niji mentions on their reddit and see half a dozen posts in the last week with thousands of upvotes that weren't removed

>>29242414
>The reason why they Cover blocks any collab between the two ENbranch is simply look at twitter and look at Luxiem's effect on the previous female waves.
Still doesn't explain why they were blocked pre-Luxiem.

>>29247375
Jesus christ I hope you die of aids. You're the biggest retard I've ever encountered on this website in 19 years of me posting here. I have nothing else to say to you.

>>29247303
>Omegay and/or Niji is blocking the collab
>T-chan is being a moderation-nazi on the sub after threads get derailed for the 20th time
>those two event are somehow related

>>29247019
The characters are company properties
If Kiara recorded it then she either have OK from manager or she was sure her action is fine and she won't get into trouble.

>>29247533
Maybe HoloEN management gave her permission to record and send it, but did not give permission for it to be publicly shown on a NijiEN stream.
It's anyone's guess, really

>>29247611
This is what I meant by explaining it any other way requiring contrived scenarios that make you sound like a schizo
>Sure Kiara, you can record a video and send it, just make sure someone else never plays it on their stream somehow after you give it to them

>>29247741
>"You can send them a private birthday video, but it can't be shown publicly"
Nothing too crazy or schizo about that

>>29247533
>then she either have OK from manager or she was sure her action is fine and she won't get into trouble.
or she never got permission to do it, so informed Pomu she couldn't show it on stream making the video her private gift

>>29247611
What is the point of giving permission to make a video and have it be sent to Pomu just to say that she can't stream it? The reason why Kiara would ask for permission anyway is because she'd be using her model, right? What's stopping her from just facetiming Pomu IRL and great her then? As far as we know, companies can't stop you from interacting with each other outside of playing your character.

>>29247807
They already talk in private, why would she bother making a video with her vtuber model if it was never going to be shown anywhere

>>29242414
Keep seething, Nijibeggar. Frustrated cuz you can't leech from celebrities?

>>29242509
Can't wait for the Omega + Noor Unity General

>>29247611
>It's anyone's guess, really
No, it's anyone who tries too hard to push the rrat

>>29242509
these two need to have sex already

>>29247865
I am surprised that the console warring is still winning out, both companies' management is so bad that everyone should be united in disdain for the suits fucking everything up

>>29247815
Nijifans please take this retard back before everyone think Nijifans are all like this

>>29247972
>implies that Nijifans aren't already all like that
Anon... I

>>29242707
I have a rrat. NijiEN blocked Pomu from showing the video as a retaliation from HoloEN being anal at collabs.

>>29247865
I'll just keep blaming Omega for everything, remembering a second name takes effort.

>>29247865
Just in time to replace the Fulgur + Sana General

>>29247972
Kiara is dumb enough to do it and I will never leave

>>29248059
This doesn't work either because you already have to explain why HoloID are able to collab with NijiJP but not EN

>>29247375
It is so cringe and retarded. The video is a gift for Pomu, supposed to be viewed by Pomu during her special day, not for twitterfags to be feasted upon in raw.

>>29248178
I think it is also part of their retaliation at HoloEN being anal at NijiEN. By attacking the honorary HoloEN.

>>29248657
But that was the first instance of a collab being blocked, what would they be retaliating for

>>29242414
>Pomu denying a Kiara collab for months
>Pomu being uncomfortable when KFPfags asked her through donations about the collab
>Millie being pretty excited when Moona was in her chat but suddenly changed topic and ignored Moona afterwards
>Millie talking about Vshojo, Phase Connect and Indie clips but being uneasy when she wanted to talk about a Miko clip

That's all I remember. As far I know, Elira is the only NijiEN with the balls to mentioning Hololive on stream.

>>29248695
This was blocked first? Before the Pomu-Kiara thing?

>>29249338
>Millie
NijiEN probably tightened their leash on her because of that minor yab.
I now lean towards NijiEN blocking HoloJP collabs because of this. Fucking Millie have strong ties with HoloID1

>>29249460
Yes, Ollie had a collab with Gundou but was not allowed one with Selen, and this all happened before Pomu/Kiara mentioned any issues

>>29249338
Pomu just had a stream directly mentioning a bunch of Holo talent, not to mention all the previous times she's done the same.
https://youtu.be/WlEbI_NDyKg?t=1510
Enna has also called herself a deadbeat on stream, and Millie has talked about HoloID on a lot of occasions.
>>29247237
If NijiEN management blocked her from playing the video, why would they then allow her to show a bunch of Holo stuff on her stream a couple of days later?

>>29247865
The ships is called Noormega.

>>29242414
Here is your rrat. They are afraid that's all there is to it. Cover drones keep talking about ccv, the least important metric, while holoEN is getting fucked in donations, vod views and hours watched.

>>29250260
They've been afraid since day one, otherwise they wouldn't get Gura to pretty much stream over every debut last minute through the duration of the debuts since Lazulight.

>>29250260
I see you added a cope that live views don't matter to live streamers after posting this in the other bait thread about the same topic and getting shown hololive still has 5x the live viewers of everyone except Luxiem, who do not compete with Hololive for the same audience

Nijizhangji can't have hololive streamer to not upset the zhangs

>>29249338
>As far I know, Elira is the only NijiEN with the balls to mentioning Hololive on stream.
What? Many NijiENs have mentioned Holos on stream. Pomu has mentioned many Holos many times lol

>>29249338
>Elira is the only NijiEN with the balls to mentioning Hololive on stream
When have Elira ever mentioned any holos on stream? Also having balls is fun because Elira is usually steretyped to be super scared of making staff mad so she is super cautious about things

>>29251072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDGgujf_G1E&t=2107

>>29250260
>m-muh total vod views
>11 members vs 20+ talents
Nijifags are such a retard, the only thing nijiCN is leading fairly are sc (I give you that) that btw takes up about 1% of their source income according to yagoo himself and hours watched (holoEN don't stream, I kneel nijisis)

>>29251629
>that btw takes up about 1% of their source income according to yagoo himself
when

>>29252065
He said the vast majority of their revenue is merchandise and live events
This is the exact thing all the niji fans were saying constantly when holoJP first passed them in superchats so it would be silly to act like it's not true

>>29251629
>>29252185
>about 1% of their source income according to yagoo

For the corp you fucking idiot do you really care how much money corp makes? Talents take a lot from SC and vod views. Few girls like Pekora make a ton on merch % but that is a very special case. For most streamers vod, hours watched and SC are everything.

Also when you look at actual corp profits Nijisanji completely rapes Cover.

>>29242414
Who fucking cares lmao
Collab beggars are so fucking pathetic

>>29253158
How do you know about Covers finances? It’s a private company

>>29251629
Holofags used to laugh at NijiEN calling them insignificant flops. Now a year later they passed HoloEN in multiple statistics and only continue to grow. One more year of this and NijiEN is going to completely eclipse HoloEN.

>>29253329
Coco talked about it many times.

>>29253158
For the last year we actually have comparable data for both companies Cover made more profit on less revenue, actually

>>29253428
We don't. Niji releases accurate date because they are on stock market. All we have for Cover is 2020 data where they had 780 million yen total assets.

>>29253158
>For most streamers vod, hours watched and SC are everything.
No, they have merchandise and sponsored streams too.

Also the corporation makes money as a percentage of what the talents make. If the corporation is making 1% of its income on superchats, it's probably a similar number for the talents. The corporation makes money on live events the talents do not, so that could lower the number. But as an order of magnitude, you expect the talents superchats to be under 10% of their total income

>>29253349
Got hardcarried by m*les.

>>29253428
Anon Anykara made 25 million $ profit. Cover is nowhere near that.

>>29253581
>male
>fleshtuber

Girls get many times more in SC. Also only few top vtubers are in 20k average ccv bracket.