/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

God I want her to pee on me while she makes that face

poopoo > peepee

>>29099935
>but worse for the fans who are more interested in content than the mental health of the streamers.
These fans need to die.

Is there really career insecurity in NijiEN?

>>29099935
but did I ask?

>>29099935
Nijis debuff themselves with male collabs and lack TALENT Freedom, while Holos are just lazy and unfairly use their fans as a scapegoat for their own inherent menhera tendencies.

The answer is obviously Vshoujo and indie work culture.

>>29101288
Indies and small corpos are in the same boat as NijiEN ironically enough, they also have to fight against being lost in the flood of alternative options and must keep streaming in order to incline.

>>29101288
>Vwhorejo
KEK

>>29099935
Nice fanfiction, man.
Never mind that Rine, Saya and Gilzaren stream like 5 times a year.
Or Anycolor allowing 300 day breaks for Sukoya and Roha.
And that even their smallest streamers can work at their pace and still collab with their biggest.

>>29101288
>Vwhoro
>Indie “culture”

>>29101887
None of those are related to his post schizo.

pomu's butt

Nijisanji has always been a gig economy type thing, where:
>some want to make it big and succeed
>some want to make it big and fail
>some mostly use it to make money on the side
>some straight up don't care about making money, just see it as a hobby
And all these goals and outcomes rely entirely on the members themselves.

Hololive is a job with benefits. You get the exclusivity and more attention (hopefully) and have a safety net under you, but have to follow more strict rules inn general

>>29102659
This is the answer op

NijiId makes it hard for me to believe that culture actually exists at Nijisanji.
The branch is a massive failure but they're all so relaxed and cool with it.
Fulgur, Ike and Hana have all put actual effort into willing debuffing themselves, so hard to believe the stereotype is true.

>>29099935
Hololive is better for the talents and it shows.

>>29099935
Nijisanji would be superior if it actually made the streamers innovate their content, but it doesn't and just leads to Apex/Minecraft/Collab spam until they burn out and get bored of streaming.

>>29103631
Yeah the only one that actually has to innovate all the time is ame because you has no talents

>Overworked and fearful of taking breaks
TF are you on? Most of Nijisanji EN has at least taken a week, several weeks, or even some months off. Purple Dragon's Dragoons even convinced Salad to take several days for her own good. /vt/ anons were convinced Pomu's channel was doomed from her nearly month long recovery from her surgery. Yet, here she is with more live viewers than when she started. For your own mental stability, stop splitting things into black and white absolutes.
Just to give more examples Petra took several weeks for school, Millie has an irregular streaming schedule for her own personal affairs. Several members of Luxiem have taken breaks. Currently several Noctyx members are taking or going on break. There is no overwork in Nijisanji EN and the members of the branch support each other.
I won't comment on Hololive because mental health is a subjective comment. The culture of overwork suggested by OP is easily proved false in reality.

>>29103727
>you has

>>29100988
NijiEN wasn't the one that just fired someone

>>29103631#
Yeah the only one that actually has to innovate all the time is ame because she has no talents.

>>29099935
All the NijiEN members have taken extended breaks at least once for various reasons and they're only required to make three videos a week. They stream that much because they chose to, not because they have to.

>>29103514
By being the first english major branch to have someone retire?
Or by the fact two of their livers left holoJP to join Vshojo?

>>29104409
>By being the first english major branch to have someone retire?
HoloEN started 8 months before NijiEN. Wait until the end of March before you start bragging about how NijiEN outlasted HoloEN in terms of liver retention.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

>>29104409
NijiEN has Finana and Yugo who are both probable candidates for retirement.
NijiJP had a member leave and go to HoloJP.

>>29104634
Sana was doa 8 months wont make a difference

>>29104780
>NijiEN has Finana and Yugo who are both probable candidates for retirement.
I have a bridge to sell you.

>>29099935
Selen I'm not the guy who ritual posts "SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/" but I want you to rim my asshole with your long dragon tongue.
Please get to it

>>29101288
Snuffy is an honorary Holo with how little she gives a shit about streaming, but she's not contractually obligated to pretend that she doesn't want to kill herself.

>>29104949
You'd find a better buyer in Finana, she'd probably share it with her discord friends as well.

>>29104971
I want selen to give me a prostate exam with the dragon hand

>>29101288
>Vshowhore

>>29101288
>talent freedom
BWAHAHAHAHA

>>29104269
>because they chose to
But also because they have to. Growth isn't automatic for NijiEN the way it is for Hololive, they only get pushed into people's recs by the Youtube algorithm when they're actually live. They have to grind to grow, and their growth does halt when they're on breaks.

>>29104269
>All the NijiEN members have taken extended breaks at least once
Selen never took a break

>>29099935
Could you boil this down to 10 or 20 words? I don't got all day.

>>29106401
HoloEN are effortless winners, NijiEN are dogshit tryhards.

>>29099935
I think you've got this ass backwards.

Niji members generally stream more because they want to, they find their work more fulfilling because they get to do basically whatever the fuck they want. Niji lets them do whatever they want because with so many members, they can kind of afford to take more risks. One glance at NijiEN and you can tell there's a far more developed social group there, the members have close knit friendships and they like being around one another and are more comfortable collabing. However, this leads to less focused marketing strategies, and less developed product goals, which leads to lower total numbers, less coordinated events, and many streams that make the streamer feel very good, but have low market appeal - look at, say, Finana's constant Gacha streams. She loves that shit, but clearly no one else does.

Holo has clear, defined market goals, idol-style strategies, they're good at selling the vtubers as characters, but that comes at the cost of freedom, expression, and often making the talent do things they're not comfortable doing. This makes bonding more difficult - which is why a lot of Holos kind of isolate themselves off and do their own thing instead of forming cliques like Nijis do. It also kills motivation and drive, which leads to the streamers doing fewer streams. The truth is, when work becomes about the money, you do as little work as possible. When work is about friendship and mutual objectives, you do it a lot more willingly. If it were a "Rat race" situation, then why do indies stream so little?

You've got this fundamental psychology mixed up. When people enjoy work, they do MORE work, not less.

>>29107103
>When people enjoy work, they do MORE work, not less.
(((They))) will hate you for speaking the truth.

>>29106641
In that case I think Hololive has the superior work model.

>>29102659
13pbp

>>29107103
>freedom
bro you got kaela and koyori streaming so much that they run over their managers requests and can basically do what they want with a couple things tacked on to keep them responsible. This freedom shit is the funniest thing parroted by EOPs and western Twitter tourists thinking the holos are working in a fuckin sweatshop while making more money than your whole family in jakarta for playing video games a few hours a day.

HoloEN
>unrionically lazy as fuck
>many barely stream 4 hours a week
>hollow wooden attempt at "friendship"
NijiEN
>hardest working vtubers there are
>some stream over 40 hours a week
>genuine friendship

>>29108818
simple as'

>>29103878
Sana wasn't fired. They probably weren't particularly eager to ensure she renewed her contract and may not have offered the same terms but it wasn't a firing.

>>29109049
Did you see how Kronii changed his streaming schedule right when Sana announced her graduation? He was scared of something.

>>29109127
>he

>>29109127
>his
>he

>>29108818
Who cares if about how long they stream or whether they're friends or not, I just wish either of them would make good content.

>>29099935
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I CAN HOLD ME BREATH UNDERWATER FOR A LONG TIME

>>29111304
really useful when she sits her fat ass on your face and you can't breathe

>>29099935
>NijiEN: Overcrowded constant rat race with persistent career insecurity
thats a nijiJP problem
everyone in nijiEN are doing better than the average job
even Finana and Reimu
or even Enna and Millie that pays the classic toronto rent price

>>29103514
It shows through having one of them break down and get shit canned every 6 months?

>>29107103
This Holo take is shit. ID and JP are are full of workaholics and many close-knit friend groups.

>>29105587
she officially took a week "break"
but still did shit cause she can't control herself

>>29113280
She didnt
>Guerrilla Apex
>Even a collab with Rosemi
(((Break)))

>>29112814
They're talking ENs, anon, it's why they said "one glance at nijiEN". HoloID is different and resembles NijiEN more than it does HoloEN (particularly the male collab-loving zombie)

>>29104634
Sana didn't even last 8 months anon.

>>29104780
>NijiJP had a member leave and go to HoloJP.
She is technically on her 4th incarnation now so I don't know how much weight that has..

>>29113421
The Niji paragraph specifically mentions NijIEN but the Hololive paragraph makes no such distinction.