/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Let's have a peaceful thread guys.
>>28894127
What did she say?

>>28893975
This is smart in the long run but will hurt debut numbers.

How do we save him?

Gwelu KINO

>JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus
7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking
9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft
10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu
12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka
14) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 54,165 - Niji Koshien practice
15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live
19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice
20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice
21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,595 - New outfit reveal
22) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 90,186 - 3D debut

>PER COMPANY
11x: Hololive
10x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Ibrahim, Kuzuha
1x: AZKi, Gwelu, Mayuzumi, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
129x: Hololive
63x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
23x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
14x: Kuzuha
13x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Nijisanji, Okayu, Towa
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Masaru, Mayuzumi, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>Fauna has turned down sponsorship offers because she didn't think she'd do a good job
Why is HoloEN like this

>>28894324
>I'm not sure what the effect of us getting culled is but I really don't care because I still feel like I'm doing well, though I'm still thinking about the 1mil sub gift because I'm not even sure what I want
She also says she really doesn't look at analytics because she doesn't want to stress herself out

Fauna revealing some analytics

>>28894371
Make the equivalent to picrel for Voltaction

>>28894417
More like she's taking a fat shit on these threads.

>>28894390
How is this going compared to last year (at this date)?

>>28894461
show proof, and it better be detailed, I'm not watching that green whore in my life

>3.2k waiting room 2 hours away
Damn, I don’t know how much the watchalong is gonna affect things but that’s looking way more like a 30-50k+ rather than a 20-30k

>>28893319
>picrel

>>28894324
sorry but I just had to

>>28894468
It's different because last year all of Koshien was in July. This year its split between July and August.

>>28894417
Another graduation incoming, I see.

starsJP last month average ballsack plot

>>28894400
>Quality does not correlate with #s

> Quality does not correlate to numbers.
Numberbros...

>>28894400
>no I don't want money!
why are they like this?

>>28894533
It's going to cap out at 10k, there's no audience for your fucking flop males

>>28894390
>23) Niji random koshien
>24) Niji random koshien
>25) NijiEN wave 6
>26) Niji random koshien
>27) ROF-MAO/Chronoir concert
>28) Mayuzumi graduation
>29) Leos 3D debut
>30) Marine bday
>31) Salome or Kuzuha googleplay / Sana graduation

>>28894583
averyone but roberu, astel and gamma are sub 500

>>28894625
She said it's because she doesn't want to fuck up and shill it poorly when they're being nice enough to give her money for it.

>>28893715
With 3k waiting 2 hours before the debut, I think its a guarantee StarsEN beats Uproar's debut numbers least.
Keep in mind that debut numbers aren't really that useful for predicting daily numbers. It's moreso a sign of brand exposure.

Fauna hates /#/ guys

>>28894533
20-30k would be a funny over-performance. 30-50k would be freaky
50k+ would blow my mind.

Numberbros, I'm sorry to say this, but fauna is fucking based
A women who doesn't obsess over money, that's a good fucking woman

>>28894652
>23) Niji random koshien
NNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>28894625
They've gotten better but both Myth and Council went through some paralyzing imposter syndrome early on. It's not like they are hurting for spending money, doing a shitty job would stress them out more than losing out on a few grand here or there.

Wow Fauna just spent 10 minutes bashing on this thread

>>28894722
20k-30k is probably expected
anything above that would be a small miracle

>>28894760
Cope this month belongs to Nijisanji already

Wtf I want to have sex with Fauna now?

>>28894760
based luknight.

>>28894768
Fauna literally still has it, from the way she's talking. Literally said she's still not comfortable being a representative to hololive because it's still weird to her

>>28894672
I guess I share more in common with Fauna than I thought.

so many anons in this thread love Fauna, too bad she hates all of you with passion lmao

>>28894843
kind of pathetic performance, considering that it's koshien time and you had a bunch of 3D debuts along with it.

>>28894876
Honestly, it is the best approach as a creator when you can live of your streams.
Leave being a numberfag to people with no horse in the race.

>>28894872
She is a Holofan and well aware she's standing of the efforts of JP and Myth. She even is one of her oshi's favorites that must be a trip.

>>28894793
>20k-30k is probably expected
I would say, today, yes. But I think the thread wouldn't have said that was expected even 24 hours ago.

>>28894722
20-30k will probably happen
but I believe in the meme magic, Magni could hit 40k

>>28894906
I like Fauna and love the fact she is not a numberfag. I would fucking hate having her act like Mysta.

>>28894991
er, no, I've always expected around 20k for the debuts just based off how uproar was recieved and the size of the fandom in the west. I've even said that in the thread a couple of times

This thread is the death of joy according to Fauna

>Fauna hates /#/
>I hate /#/
WE ARE

Of course she would say numbers don't matter, because she, and the rest of the council have shit numbers. Sour grape etc`

>>28894935
they aren't even in the lead

>>28895133
you're /become/ing one of the Lamys

>>28895041
That's what job security does to one's mental as opposed to Mysta who is afraid of each upcoming wave.

>28895167
shit bait

>>28894965
I would say they want to be at least vaguely aware. Not staring at it everyday and stressing yourself out over every dip, but being aware if something you're doing is just completely flopping.

>>28895271
>Not even 20k
NGMI

>>28895041
Thank God nobody in Hololive is as bad a numberfag as Mysta. That dude was neglected or something as a child and needs validation from his numbers.

>>28894906
>/#/ want more numberfag in Holo & Niji
>But they hate anyone who actually is one: Kiara, Mysta

>>28895236
Each wave will widen the nijibox thus bringing in more numbers though.

>>28895348
From what I recall, his mom raised him wrong as a joke.

>>28895041
but it's not about you disliking a numberfag chuuba, it's about her dislking numberfags (You)

>>28895271
Even Koyori pulls better numbers

>>28895130
She's right.

>>28895348
Holos know that even if you really shit up your numbers, the company will still guarantee that you eat. You'll be included in concerts, get good merch, show up in events and even sponsorships.
Nijisanji guarantees exactly fucking none of that. No wonder they'd be more scared of falling behind.

>>28895377
Kiara isn't a numberfag, she just has a fragile ego, and tends to complain a lot. Mysta is actually a numberfag, and goes full fucking menhera over that shit

>>28895348
Iluna is going to push poor Mysta over the edge, isn't it?

>>28895379
Widen the box so much that all the numbers slip out as seen by the shit raid retention?

>>28895130
Have you even seen these threads before? She's not even wrong. Yet people come back anyway because they must continue to deprive others of joy as well

myth vs council, last month

>>28895379
Widen the nijibox by lowing the average with a dozen 3views?

>>28895517
considering that mysta was able to buy a house and fucking land which is far different from his previous poorfag lifestyle.

I find your fucking schizo theory laughable

>>28895517
>throw the most mentally ill alphabets into a darwinist hellhole driven by capitalism and cutthroat competition
I'm surprised how much they've been managing to hold up.

>>28894468
Was Holo 146-51 Niji according to https://pastebin.com/e8d9Mge6

>>28895598
Hot waists

>>28895377
We want actual numberfags who gets good numbers, not numberfags who whine about their shit numbers and act like dancing monkeys for more numbers

>>28895526
Any iLUMA who tries to overlap with Mysta is going to get crushed like Noctyx when they try so I doubt it

>>28895271
Not even Koyori's number. Also council average still lower than Myth.

>>28895605
Mysta didn't fall behind, and his particular anxiety was never that logical. But you aren't paying attention if you don't think it's way worse to be a runt in Nijisanji than it is in Hololive.

>>28895605
NTA, Mysta isn't going to be successful forever

>>28894390
first niji win since early 2020?

So what are the chances that the watchalong has more viewers than the debuts?

>>28895660
So basically, you want an asshole who succeeds in spite of the fact it doesn't actually work?

>>28895747
https://pastebin.com/e8d9Mge6
>AUGUST
1) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 85,309 - AR live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 31,008 - Payday 2 collab
3) Miko (Hololive) - 36,174 - Shiraken GTA
4) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 51,821 - Winning Eleven collab
5) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 52,844 - Eden-gumi profiles
6) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 156,062 - Celebrity APEX
7) Flare (Hololive) - 60,571 - 2nd anniversary 3D live
8) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,127 - Niji Koshien practice
9) Aqua (Hololive) - 84,057 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
10) Hal (Indie) - 72,466 - VSaikyo S3 landmark lottery
11) Marine (Hololive) - 94,400 - 2nd anniversary 3D
12) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 65,011 - Niji Koshien 2021 pre-show
13) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 147,639 - Niji Koshien 2021 A-league
14) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 170,896 - Niji Koshien 2021 B-league
15) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 205,448 - Niji Koshien 2021 finals
16) Marine (Hololive) - 45,920 - Gen 3 Hardcore Minecraft
17) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 34,975 - APEX custom
18) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 36,652 - APEX custom
19) Watame (Hololive) - 42,288 - 3D announcement
20) Mio (Hololive) - 58,031 - 3D birthday live
21) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 48,128 - APEX custom
22) Hal (Indie) - 132,049 - VSaikyo S3 tournament
23) Hal (Indie) - 61,952 - VSaikyo S3 afterparty
24) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 51,404 - Poker Chase collab
25) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 108,077 - Niji Koshien exhibition match
26) Marine (Hololive) - 32,311 - Mario Kart
27) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 30,318 - Nijinoon
28) Furen (Nijisanji) - 98,761 - 3D debut
29) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 35,267 - Pokemon Unite tournament
30) Miko (Hololive) - 32,971 - Mikkorone Mario Party
31) Pekora (Hololive) - 59,204 - Clubhouse 51 totsumachi

>>28895801
It does start 15 min before the debut as well.

>>28895677
By the end of the year they're gonna have a 10 male overlap on chink primetime fighting for those SC.

>>28895801
watchalong has a way lower waiting room right now so not gonna happen

>>28895660
So a pekora

>>28895811
no, we want someone like Pekora who does good content and smart scheduling, not someone like mystia who makes 5 fucking celebration streams in a row just to milk numbers, or Kiara who whines about her audience losing interest, then proceeds to play fire emblem for 15 streams while using that stupid fucking chicken voice everyone's told her to drop

>>28894625
They make a lot of money no matter what, it hurts your brand if you do shill streams for stuff you don't like and can't convey any interest in. Turns off your fans and is going to make other potential future sponsors less interested if you bring in mediocre numbers.

>>28895704
Yeah I guess thats why sana left with all that stability huh. don't make me fucking laugh, all corpos are bad.
>>28895718
Yep I agree with this but its straight up delusional if fags here think anycolor doesn't provide support all though the luxiem favourtism is absolutely fucking retarded so they deserve to crash and burn

>>28895718
Just think. Theres a good chsnce there once was a vtuber making 20k a month thinking they could afford a 750,000 house and within a year or two found their income significantly decreased, maybe even completely out of a job, and had to foreclose and landed themselves in a pile of debt.

Regis almost at 4k.

>>28895996
Consider necking yourself, retard.

>>28896020
>2 hours to go
I'm thinking 5.5k at start, 32k max.

Vox and Mysta were the Mito of NijiEN. Whatever happened to Mito anyway?

Some numbers. Combined new members and gifted members for pekora and watame since both fan groups seems to have switched to providing a lot of gifted memberships over pure super chats.

So far for July
Watame: 2819
Pekora: 4967

Pekora is only ahead since she had her anniversary, +2399 in one day. took the numbers from hololyzer.

>>28896020
Past it now

>>28895801
>Ollie and Bae
lmao

>>28896020
50K stream I swear

>>28895942
Do we really love Pekora here tho?

>>28896017
Pretty sure that happens more with washed up youtubers than streamers.
Streamers, if they can maintain their fanbase and get into some career-crippling yab, generally have longer financial longevity. But as a youtuber, if your channel's numbers die, you're basically doomed from a financial standpoint.

Will HomoEN raid into each other?

>>28895967
Tbh I wouldn't mind a Mysta for EN. He's a mess but he puts in the work. It doesn't really matter if his numbers attitude is toxic in HoloEN because basically everyone else is the exact opposite in terms of numberfagging so it'll rub off on him.

>>28896109
It's gonna be like a 20k waiting room.

>>28896145
What about Nene?

>prettiest one first
>meme one second
>most mid one third
>mystery man fourth
Great order imo.

>>28895348
>>28895526
Mysta actually said today he's not going to numberfag as much because he feels like he hit all his big goals already, so he's mostly just going to chill.

>>28896087
how about you stop sucking that corpo cock my friend.

>>28896293
honestly if I were planning the schedule knowing what I know now I'd put Magni up front to pick up interest, but I suppose it's too late to change scheduling now

>>28896329
Are you the yagoo asshole 2view? How's it going? Post your channel, maybe we can give you some tips.

>>28894390
Hey, it was 69,696, not 69,595

>>28896265
Only if they stream really close, 4 people covering 24 hours (when one of them is presumably Australian too) is not too plausible to do it often. Mori and Bae might collab with them but neither of those two are raiders so they're not getting anything from that either.

ok hey, koyori vs fauna
last 2 months

>>28896280
Mysta's collab streams always bring big numbers because he's kinda like Mumei where he has a lot of gimmick ideas. Say what you want about him, but he clearly cares about his career.
EN3 would do well if they got someone like him, without the menhera aspect ofc.

IS there a way to estimate the number of memberships someone has by taking the number of renewed memberships in a stream and multiplying that by the relative amount of time in the week that stream takes up?

voltaction is off to a good start.

Why are people downplaying the debut numbers now that we're closer to the debut? Literally just playing guessing games with waiting room numbers over 2 hours out.

Floor is still 20k, expected 40-50k.

>>28896431
Koyo's morning streams are really skewing it huh

>>28896431
oooops, I think colors are flipped, gonna delete

>>28896498
No, you should stop thinking of finding a way to get membership numbers unless the vtuber literally says it onstream.

>>28896518

>>28896419
you must be fucking joking. anycolor and cover doesn't deserve their talent. stop being blind and take those goggles off. I fucking hope you stop sucking their dicks because after that kino sana 3d stream. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

All that potential squandered all for the fact that the mangement is full off fucking scardycat pussies. dont get me started on fucking luxiem and their shitty taint they had on nijiEN.

>>28895861
nice pastebin, thanks anon.

They started Koshien one week earlier this year, so that should mean that finals are the first weekend of August. Assuming they haven't changed the schedule/process.

>>28896608
calm down, friend. go for a walk and get some fresh air.

>>28896431
fixed
koyori vs fauna
last 2 months

>>28896431
Doesn't make sense considering Koyori gets 10k much more often than Fauna does and has higher ceilings.

>>28896660
>FB image
yep I think im done talking to cock sucking ilk like you

>>28896283
Calm down, anon. It's a debut, the rabid fans will be there first. It's not a conventional Hololive stream. Doesn't follow the same logic.

>>28896724
Seethe about it

>>28896282
>Nene
2330. I thought at first that it wouldn't be a point in comparing them, since Nene has only streamed 5 times this month.
But she had one day with 2015 gifted memberships, which made up for it.

>>28896518
Anycolor is the vtuber wood chipper.

>>28895861
>16) Marine (Hololive) - 45,920 - Gen 3 Hardcore Minecraft
ollie costume won that https://holo.poi.cat/stream/kzNzUK3xQto
>17) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 34,975 - APEX custom
shion 3d won that https://holo.poi.cat/stream/dlqbZK1UWx0
>18) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 36,652 - APEX custom
gura won that https://holo.poi.cat/stream/R0Vp3s90YkA
>21) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 48,128 - APEX custom
Hal last day apex running event
>23) Hal (Indie) - 61,952 - VSaikyo S3 afterparty
council debut day https://holo.poi.cat/stream/W3oVrq94mGM
>29) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 35,267 - Pokemon Unite tournament
council collab https://holo.poi.cat/stream/JRclI_h2H-U

>>28896665
still not sure which one is which as there is no label. I assume green = Fauna, pink = Koyori? What are you trying to prove here? Fauna's graph not as smooth probably because she don't FUCKING STREAM.

>>28896963
>Fauna's graph not as smooth probably because she don't FUCKING STREAM.
NTA but this isn't true. Fauna's schedule is fine. It's sharper because Fauna's ceiling is lower so most of her streams are within the same range. Koyori has more streams that are 20k+ so it flattens her curve.

>>28896963
here you go
>What are you trying to prove here
nothing, I saw people talking about them

>>28896963
>graph not as smooth
NTA, but it doesnt need to be, its just showing the distribution of numbers between the two of them

>>28895598
>Ina
>a fucking straight rod
Holy fucking shit.

>>28896938
wait, what the fuck?

>>28896518
They should just stop announcing them as VTA debuts because it kills hype and no one cares about VTA

>>28896963
>Fauna doesn't stream
Anon, she is one of the more consistent ones. The off collab arc fucked everyone though, and she got sick after.

>>28897182
imaretard, I sent the wrong file rumao

>>28897109
So means that her stream ccv is usually her floor? Probably due to heavy overlapping or something hence the usual tourist numbers are always diluted.

>>28897220
That'll happen when there's only 2 points of data

>>28897182
>>28896963
fixed, again
now with labels

>>28897220
Retardbro...

>>28897282
Not really, Fauna has benefitted a lot from Ina and Ame's inconsistent schedules these past 2 months to stream mostly without overlap.
Her floor is around 6-7k and her ceiling is 12-14k.
Koyori's ceiling is much higher because she's JP.

>>28896518
Where do all those people go after debut

>>28897454
Twitter

>more than 1 hr
>4.5k waiting
How? I thought Homos are dead

So who actually are the lazy bunch? Myth or council?

>>28897506
meme MAGic is real

>>28896938
yeah, okay this is odd, I'm pretty sure it would've drawn alot of attention if tally anon fucked that up. How did this slip under the radar for this long?

>>28897506
and almost 2k on the EN channel for the watchalong

>>28896428
I think that anon is talking about the debuts

>>28897539
Fucking watamaggggg

>>28896938
updated august 2021

>AUGUST
1) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 85,309 - AR live
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 31,008 - Payday 2 collab
3) Miko (Hololive) - 36,174 - Shiraken GTA
4) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 51,821 - Winning Eleven collab
5) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 52,844 - Eden-gumi profiles
6) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 156,062 - Celebrity APEX
7) Flare (Hololive) - 60,571 - 2nd anniversary 3D live
8) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,127 - Niji Koshien practice
9) Aqua (Hololive) - 84,057 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
10) Hal (Indie) - 72,466 - VSaikyo S3 landmark lottery
11) Marine (Hololive) - 94,400 - 2nd anniversary 3D
12) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 65,011 - Niji Koshien 2021 pre-show
13) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 147,639 - Niji Koshien 2021 A-league
14) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 170,896 - Niji Koshien 2021 B-league
15) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 205,448 - Niji Koshien 2021 finals
16) Ollie (Hololive) - 52,687 - Costume reveal
17) Shion (Hololive) - 55,615 - 3D birthday
18) Gura (Hololive) - 42,455 - Unarchived karaoke
19) Watame (Hololive) - 42,288 - 3D announcement
20) Mio (Hololive) - 58,031 - 3D birthday live
21) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 48,128 - APEX custom
22) Hal (Indie) - 132,049 - VSaikyo S3 tournament
23) Kronii (Hololive) - 94,966 - HoloEN debut
24) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 51,404 - Poker Chase collab
25) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 108,077 - Niji Koshien exhibition match
26) Marine (Hololive) - 32,311 - Mario Kart
27) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 30,318 - Nijinoon
28) Furen (Nijisanji) - 98,761 - 3D debut
29) Kronii (Hololive) - 43,355 - Council meeting
30) Miko (Hololive) - 32,971 - Mikkorone Mario Party
31) Pekora (Hololive) - 59,204 - Clubhouse 51 totsumachi

Holo: 15
Nijisanji: 14
Neoporte: 2

>>28897556
I'm going to choose to believe that the watch along people were never going to watch the Stars to begin with.

>>28897454
They're the people who are interested in vtubing, but never found an oshi to watch consistently/ go back to their oshis after debut.
Most debuts only retain 10-20% anyways, but 2-4% like this dude is pretty sad. There is a guy who is doing a lot better in the same wave tho.

>>28897624
>>28895861
so did we just not have monthly tallies back then or...?

>>28897640
unless they think that they will re-stream on that channel, I think most are going to swap

>>28897563
Oh, uh....maybe? They should but knowing how adverse Holos are to raiding idk.

>>28897673
No tallies I think. Didn't we start November?

>>28897248
But that would kill the story they're trying to build for the stock market.
"We will raise our own entertainers. Our competitors will need to scout and recruit, beg and barter. Not we, we will be the source."
They need to plaster "Made by Nijisanji" on every VTA prospect, it's part of their brand and story now.

>>28897381
Well, my point is Koyori's number is better. Thanks for proving it.

>>28897673
we started around late September

>>28897554
My guess is he got the dates wrong because of timezones? If you compare all the corrected dates he posted and the winners of the days before, they all beat the streams he listed.

>>28897750
But their one and only hit in ages was Salome devoid of any nijisanji branding

>>28897750
>VTA
Do they at least do a fun school kayfabe? Like, have experience veterans come in to give "classes", do "field trips" stuff like that

>>28897539
The one in the lead has no memes

>>28897776
And by we of course we mean Mr. Tallyanon. Thank you for your hard work my man.

>>28897454

>>28897844
It would be awesome if they did competitions to get inti Nijisanji. Some VTA students "fail" or "dropout" and the winning students get to debut. Go full fucking Baka Test/Classroom of the Elite.

>Gura started RTíng stuff
s-she wouldn't do it, right?

>>28897248
I still think VTA as a concept (Academy for vtubers) can work but definitely not in the way that Anykara is implementing it. Even if it's only to teach most of the trainees proper opsec and etiquette. Maybe they can also teach them how to balance streaming content that you like that might be debuffs like finana's obsession with Gacha games beyond rollin, and content that is general audience friendly. God knows that majority of vtubers even in Holo and Niji can use a lesson like that.

>>28898020
Omega said he’ll cancel her daki again if she doesn’t promote them.

>>28898020
If she didn't scheduled it by now, she won't

>>28898020
I wouldn’t be surprised if she does a 11pm est stray stream after their debuts since she said she was gonna stream today but who knows

>>28897536
Council. At least Myth went a year without a big no stream period. They earned being lazy in some way.
Council went into lazy mode since the start.

>>28897844
Not that I know of

>>28897858
he's BLUE

>>28897820
Exactly, and that's a problem. Their most successful liver for the last 2 years (in the short run) was a joke debut that wasn't meant to go the distance. It basically invalidates the idea the VTA, thinking you can manufacture the next star. At least in the current market/community.

>>28898020
She did say she was going to stream and seemed sincerely regretful about her schedule lately in the mengen yesterday. If it happens, I'd bet it'll happen after the debuts. It would be unusual for Gura though

>>28898035
for that to happen you'd actually need people who know that and who the fuck are they going to get to teach a course on how to stream? Pewdiepie?

>>28897898
Twitter is indeed real life as the knowledgeable agent of academic once said.

>>28898020
Gura didn't even RT the Councilrys collab or Mori's concert lmao. No chance she RT's the homos.

It'll probably piss off her fans, but she should consider handing her account over to her manager for her off-days because it's such a waste of her huge twitter outreach. She's the only Holo with Niji-tier engagement but she barely uses it.

>>28898194
>she should consider handing her account over to her manager
sus

>>28898194
I was talking about overlapping them, she said she was going to stream today in yesterday's member stream

>>28898151
Do you really buy the rrat that it is Debi?

>>28897803
there wasn't really a tally for the day either. There were img posts with the winner of the day. Often only top 10. And only from ikioi

>>28897858
He has the FE3H design buff.
imagine if he debuted with Sylvain or Claudes sex designs and roleplayed as a Lord

>>28898035
Alternatively, you can leave that job to startups and pick off the cream of the crop.
The problem with VTA isn't so much the concept, it's the branding that makes it uninteresting to most viewers when they finally make their Niji debuts.

5K waiting room

>>28898370
Holy shit

>>28898282
Might be a rare late stream.
Or more likely she just had no idea when the homos were debuting, cause she does not give a shit about them, and management told her not to stream after the members post.

>>28898370
Bros, I'm starting to believe. Please give me a reason to doubt

>>28898341
A big part of debut is finding out who the new hire is, VTA kinda kills that.

>>28898370
HOMOCHAD STATUS?!

>>28898291
Don't have to. The way they handled her shows that they had no plan in the long run. She had a set keyfabe, not trying to interact with the audience, content choice that seems confused at best.
It doesn't matter if it's Debi or another VA, it wasn't meant to be a permanent feature, but now they kind of have to.

>>28898267
Doesn't mean her manager is making tweets in her stead, but she can RT big HoloEN events even on days she's ghosting social media.

>>28898370
It's happening?

>>28898081
People here are trying to convince me that council are not lazy.

>>28898316
He should play Three Hopes

>>28898591
Decide for your fucking self, don't be a sheep who just lets other people influence them, be a chad who looks at the information available and comes to conclusions with their own intellect

>>28898584
It still won't feel like Gura. I mean it, your twitter activity has your own personality (or at least the one you're putting) in there, and deviations are noticeable.

>>28898370
oh sHIT
lets goooo

>>28898370
BLUE STRONG

>>28898370
DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>28898618
That is such a MAGnificent way of becoming the next Uyu.

>>28898035
>God knows that majority of vtubers even in Holo and Niji can use a lesson like that.
Well that's true, however for most of the talent they got into this as an extension of their hobby level content creation shit they were doing before vtubing, at best. At worst they got into this for something to do for cash or they were lonely lol. There's actually very few true streaming focused career people, the ones that are stand out like Pekora and its only pretty recently that this has become, at least for the major corps, a viable career on its own. I don't know even how much the staff know about effective content tailoring strategies, especially with the wide range of different talents and aims between the various people at both holo and niji.

I'm honestly starting to believe that the Holostars label is only a debuff for the JP stars and not the EN stars

>>28898584
Would only piss off the fans, everyone knows that all she does is RT and like fanart of herself on her off days. That would just feel unnatural, especially with the context of her Twitter autism.

For some reference: Uproar waiting room (at least the one registered by Vrabi) had around 5-6k and they had 9-11k debuts
However, we know that waiting rooms work different for JP and EN

>>28898471
I think the execution on the VTA is just poor. They don't have any huge VTA event or tourny which would fit with the whole academy plot. Should just get an actual niji liver every few weeks and a few VTA to do a teaching/learning stream. Kenmochi thumbnail making class ez gold.

>>28898847
they still don't have 100k+ subs so yeah they are still a debuff. Just not a huge debuff

>>28897624
>Neoporte: 2
Actually it was
>Indie: 2
Hal found merise in November and renamed to Neo Porte in 2022

>>28898768
She made 3 tweets this week (Flossing, Floor shark, Mori concert), it's already uncharacteristic of her.

she's streaming
https://youtu.be/Cvs7XL60xKM

>>28898960 (me)
Holy fuck, my ESLness went hard there

>>28895209
>koyori loves numbers
>fauna hates numbers

how does wamy feel about them?

oh shit, is Vince McMahon one of the holostarEN members?

Gura won't stream over their debuts.

>>28899049
Oh yea management definately blocked the slot.

>>28899102
She forgets about them after hitting the bottle

>>28898839
Pekora isn't like that at all lol, she's was a goddamn internet troll in her past on NND

>>28899049
>In 2 hours
KEK
sasuga omega

>>28899049
NO OVERLAP

>>28899049
>11pm est
lmfao

>>28899149
based rabbit

>>28899049
Uh... isn't she streaming over Magni?

>>28899049
>11pm
well she didnt lie.
sucha a late time is weird for gura will be interesting.

>>28898767
Is there anyway to see this chart, but sorted by stream hours, instead?

>>28899201
no Magni goes an hour before her

>>28899049
Welp, looks like management told her not to overlap or something.

>>28899049
Called it
>>28898067

>>28899049
After the debuts I see

>not streaming before to funnel into them
Goomba you selfish piece of shit

>>28899049
Holy shit.
So management blocked out the slot, but also Gura is willing to deviate from her time slot autism. She really meant it about regretting her schedule lately.

>>28899258
There was never any chance they would let her overlap, Gura just doesn't bother to pay attention to anything so she set it at her normal time.

>>28897624
So with those changes Nijis didn't win any month last year?
Meaning last months tie is their best result since 2020?

>>28899258
management HATE

>>28899049
TAKING BETS NOW
> WILL GURA
1) RAID THE FIRST DEBUT
2) RAID THE WATCHALONG
3) VERBALLY TELL THE AUDIENCE TO TO WATCH TEH DEBUT
4) END THE STREAM WITHOUT EITHER

Here are the odds
1) 9/1
2) 3/1
3) 1/1
4) 4/9

>>28899149
Uh yeah, what does that have anything to do with what her career is now?

>>28899434
Uh look at the time.

>>28899434

>>28899434
Are you retarded or just merely pretending?

>>28899434
Retard, look at when she's streaming

>>28899434
are you retarded?

>>28899365
Gura never said she would stream in her normal slot and she also never put up a reservation unless you saw something I didn't

>>28899434
Anon?

>>28899434
I'm betting your mom dropped you on your head as a baby.

>>28899495
>>28899529
>>28899531
>>28899544
>>28899560
>>28899570
WAIT, WTF, THE DEBUTS ARE IN 50 MINUTES?

>>28899434
Retardedchama...

>>28899323
>chumbuds
>funneling to homos
unless you have a trap shota, it ain't happening

>>28899434
Sorry anon, you've made a posting mistake and now I'm contractually obligated to laugh at you. Ha! Ha!

>>28899634
So you're retarded then. Got it.

>>28899634
yeah bro what time did you expect their debuts to be?

Do you think Gura will catch a funnel? Or is the Holostar fanbase too different for it to matter to begin with?

We've been in a numberrot for far too long to realize that Pekora had exceeded valkyrae, pokimane and any other female streamers in terms of ccv. Like 30k or 40k average ccv is something else, she's probably in the top 20 of current streamers worldwide.

>>28899634

6k an hour before debut, what are we expecting at this point

Blue Man at 6k jesas

>>28899109
He's in HoloWWE. Great Khan will join as well.

>>28899634

Late Nijilewd for the nijifriends who didn't get much the last few threads despite winning gold

>>28899744
It's definitely gonna be interesting.

>>28899744
There's a higher chance of Gura catching the tourist funnel than the other way around tbdesu so she might. They'll probably spam her chat about the homos too.

>>28899783
I'll give a 20k. Might be high, might be low. hard to fucking judge desu.

>>28899049
She'll catch the funnel and people will want her reaction the debuts
SASUGA SHARK SAMA

>>28896265
Raids are broken for most people right now and has been for like two weeks
Maybe 1/5th of all raids actually work

>>28899434
anon... the debuts are 1 hour tops and magni is 1 hour before this stream

>>28899783
Expect nothing. Be happy if it goes above 10k. Every 10k more than that, be even happier.

there's some magic in the air tonight
i'm starting to feel a little gay

>>28899783
18k tops

>>28899783
Like I said earlier, this won't follow the same logic as Hololive streams. I'm thinking 35k max.

>>28721259
>>28813620
Scarle's definitely gonna hit 100k before debut. Ren and Aster maybe but probably not. Maria and Kyo will miss it.

>>28899744
My bet? Yes, she'll catch a funnel, and the size depends on the size of the over-performance in their ccv.

Fauna have to end her member stream before the debuts as well.

>>28899744
I will watch the boys while waiting for Gura.

>>28899783
It's Holostars, 20k would be a miracle, especially with there being a watchalong stream on the side.

>>28899783
20k as a floor, 50k as the max. I can't see it going above that.

https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1550631780759191553
https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1550631780759191553
https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1550631780759191553

>>28899746
She's the biggest JP streamer, and the biggest female streamer, in the entire world.

Pekora is a goddess, love Pekora

Omocat councilrys https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1550631780759191553
nice pick for the model there omocat

Is holostars really bringing this dead subreddit back to life jesus

>>28899808
Post the other version too anon. And here, since apparently Nijifags are too lazy to do this, yet again.

>>28900025
Thanks chumbud. I'll forgive you for grooming a 14 year old Gura lite but just this once.

>>28900007
Finally, Gura taking a technique from Pekora.

>>28899783
30k conservative estimate, 50k in my gut EN tourists are thirsty for something new

>>28899783
It's Holostars, for fuck's sake. Either keep your expectation low or don't expect anything at all.

>>28900024
She said she had to?

>>28900068
>Twitch
Look at Jun's youtube numbers, his twitch numbers are ass in comparison.

>>28900071
I'm convinced the West is cucked.

>>28900030

>>28900004
Don't care, my blue bpy is debuting shortly.

>>28900047
YOU NEVER RESTOCKED MY FUCKING GURA TRACK JACKEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTT

>>28900047
Who is that on the top?

>>28900211
Amouranth literally has a husband so yes.

>>28900146
damn youre angry i was asking for estimates not your bleeding asshole anon

>>28900283
me

Newfags predicting 50k are forgetting that the all time Holostars record is 21k. Most of their 3D debuts don't even get 15k.

>>28900185
Said, that she would end Fall guys and do supas cause she can't go for to long.

>>28899984
you WILL eat these words

>>28900314
kek

My hopium is at 40K.

>>28900086

>>28900295
Amouranth is the absolute proof that if you sell the product your audience wants to buy (in her case, the fantasy) the person behind the curtain doesn't matter at all.
She's essentially a "streamer with an avatar", except the avatar is 3 inch thick make up

>>28900328
HolostarsEN is going to outperform JP in every metric. You can't possibly still think they won't

>>28900267
The fabric for xxxxl became a bit to expensive with the inflation, so sorry about that.

>>28900328
Male Hololive EN vtubers and Holostars are two different things. 90% of the people coming aren't going to have watched or care about Holostars JP. They're either interested in male EN vtubers or just showing up for the novelty of it.

I'm just glad it'll past 20k. Regis needs to make the best impression now and then, sing or something and have a very nice voice.

>>28900361
I will gladly accept grudgeposting. Hell, if they got 60k I would be over the moon but let's be realistic. I would be in awe, honestly. It would be a Salome tier miracle.

Alright time to bet your balls folks
30k max for blue
35k for mag

>>28900476
who the fuck is going to watch them?

>>28900476
I'll believe it when I see it.

>>28900189
Jun's youtube numbers are still worse than pekors

>>28900328
this is EN though and a new branch and they're blurring the lines more with Hololive

>>28900458

>>28900498
Hey fuck you, I'm a size M in omori clothes, I was able to buy a few other pieces. Please I just want that retarded jacket so I can hang it in my closet and never wear it outside

>>28900476
>HolostarsEN is going to outperform JP in every metric.
>>28900509
>Male Hololive EN vtubers and Holostars are two different things.
Agreed, but even the first generation of Nijisanji EN male vtubers didn't go as high as 50k and Niji practically owns the male vtuber market

>>28900458
The first time I ever fapped to that retarded whore Gunjou.
Why does Sanuki have to be a nijifag mannn

>>28900283
Yatagarasu

>>28900543
All those former Vox SEA girls who know Homos won't collab with girls.

>>28900468
What fantasy? She's not some kind of GFE streamer she just sits in a tub and shows her tits. Maybe her very top simps care but most people just want to see tits.

>>28900607
>pubs
Blegh.

>7k waiting with 40 minutes left
HOMOBROS WILL WIN

>>28900607
>pubs
Based

>>28900047
For some reason I'm super happy that Sana looks so joyful in this.

>>28900656
Yeah, but they didn't own it in the west (and honestly still only do by default of there being no competition). Niji wasn't a big name, and Noctyx only got high views from Chinese tourists hoping for another Luxiem that they never got.

>>28900753
Why are you gae

>>28900543
JP Stars have A LOT of EOPs + people who watch ID will watch them too during dead hours + (not many) but people who have been waiting for brotubers for some time + some women I guess?

>>28900476
We'll see in a couple of months. I hope they succeed, but it's going to be a hard road for them.

>>28900861
post it

>>28900607
This artist drew Ayame weird.

>>28900887
>Noctyx only got high views from Chinese tourists hoping for another Luxiem that they never got.
Those people must've woke up very early then because Noctyx debuted during NA times. Not saying they're all NA viewers, but it was def not friendly for chinks.

Newfriend here do mods sticky debuts

>>28900929
honestly that's not a very high bar, if they get consitent 1.5k that's already outperforming JPstars in every metric

>>28901032
Holostars Uproar got stickied

>>28901031
they debuted on a weekend and it was, what, 10am in china when they did? Not exactly asking them to wake up before the sun rises here

>>28901008
Don't go disrespecting Kuzuha's wife now, he's still KING of what I don't know these days... not even silverboy...

>>28900576
did they drop significantly? haven't really paid attention to his numbers recently but they used to be 2-3x his twitch numbers

>>28901032
they should, but who knows, the mod team has been... erratic as of late

>>28901115
Possibly the most pointless sticky ever.

>>28900543
the same holo tourists that watched coco's graduation or any big holo event
whether they stay will depend on how entertaining the dudes are

>>28901217
He literally got 80k a few days ago (with Koshien, but 80k is still 80k)

If Holostars EN succeeds it's really gonna make you wonder why the fuck JP failed so miserably.

>>28901364
Yes but it's not the same anymore...

When they were first announced and revealed I said they would only get 8-10k for their debut streams just like Uproar. I will stick to this even thought it looks like I am going to get BTFO.

>>28901040
I'm going to say that within 3 months, average ENHomo median will be about 6k.
Please feel free to grudgepost

>>28901409
Because jp has no omega
Shinove who

>>28901409
nijisanji successfully gatekept the male industry and hololive helped them to reinforce that posture by allowing it

>>28900704
>What fantasy? She's not some kind of GFE streamer she just sits in a tub and shows her tits.
Anon, the whole
>"gamer" girl that gets drunk / rowdy / horny and shows a little more skin than she should, but not so much skin that wouldn't be allowed on a public broadcast
is a fantasy market as big as GFE. Add some elements of shared hobbies (like playing vidya, watching memes or watchalongs) and it provide as much companionship for coomers as gfe does for goslings.
That part is pretty much given for free because there are enough thots doing it for free that the market reached the bottom of the proverbial "race to the bottom".

Then you add the REALproduct: the "exclusive" content that is too lewd to be shown on public broadcast, so it's locked behind a paywall
That's how most of these thots make their money, on OnlyFans and other similar sites.
It's pretty much the "playboy / hustler" magazine subscription model, except it is more interactive and doesn't need to involve the post office.
And then the REAL REAL content, the very exclusive 1:1 interactions sold at a huge price, yumenographia style. It's the same model as the old "25 cents peep windows" at seedy places, except it's much more expensive.

All in all the dumb girls are ALL doing it for free or paying for the privilege while the handful of smart girls are turning millionaires in that market simply by putting the thought on what they're selling

>>28901514
A true numberfag goes down with his predictions. Honorable.

>>28901409
Maybe they just aren't good streamers.

>>28901514
Here's still 35 mins and Reggie is already at 8k waiting,
That's more than Rio already I think.

>>28901040
that should tell you what I think of the path they might be on. Hell if they slap down hard and become 10k avg streamers in 3 months, good job well earned. But I don't see it.

>>28901514
Anon... the waiting room is already at 8k...

>>28901514
For their waiting room you mean

>>28901537
How the turntables...

>>28901556
Does she do actual escorting too?

>>28901514
Yea my guess was for 20k, and i feel like im gonna be getting BTFO as well.

>>28901409
Literally momentum. Holostars didn't get enough momentum to begin with, so they could never take off. There were a few times it looked like they were beginning to pick up and go somewhere...but disaster always struck them back down, like two of their best potential break outs graduated before they hit their stride

>>28901514
At least you have integrity, can't say the same for some of the other posters here.

How funny would it be if the waiting room only doubled because it got zero tourists

>>28900047
the irys colors are gorgeous, they really pop

8.2k with 32 mins left

>>28901576
>become 10k avg streamers in 3 months
How many 10k avg EN vtubers are there even?
Gura
Ina
Sometimes Kronii/Mumei/Vox/Mysta

That's the list.

>>28901576
they don't need to be 10k average streamers, if they get noctyx numbers, and I honestly don't see why they wouldn't, they would already be succesful beyond what their JP senpai can do. And noctyx are 2-3k streamers

>>28901537
Omegatranny was a genius all along...

>>28901409
Look at who is in their 1st gen.

>>28901674
I am not talking specifically about Amouranth, and I doubt she does, she can't outcompete playboy bunnies taking trips to the middle east to be defiles for less money that she makes sleeping on a stream and selling some merch on OF

>>28901793
Shoto on twitch unless you just mean youtube.

>>28901470
Nijifags where are you nijilewds I'm running out here

>>28900314
Oh fuck off, faggot.
I know your types and you're asking not to know what we're expecting, but to set up grudgepost when they inevitably fail to reach those high numbers.

>>28901809
Were we the baddies?

>>28894533
anon, EN waiting rooms are different from JP ones. There's alot less growth after it starts. 10-20k waiting room is likely 30k peak.

>>28901793
Fauna is getting there as well in median peak.

New maids really want the whole board taken over by debut shitposting I see

I told you faggots, Hololive Twitter interactions are more indicative of their success than Nijisanji Twitter interactions, because NijiTwitter is artificially inflated by JoPs who just like every post but don't watch streams

>>28901877
Didn't mention him on purpose bc Twitch, but yeah if we include twitch then there's also IM, Veibae, and Nyanners in the sometimes tier.

The point is, it's a short fucking list.

>>28901364
>thinking "Koshien" numbers are worth a damn
LMAO. Tourist central and they are also botted streams on top of that.

>>28901576
10k avg is too high a goal, if they become 10k avg streamers that's industry-shaking numbers. That's far beyond a big success.
The average guys being 2-3k and the star being like 5-6k would be a massive, unexpected win.

>>28901803
I think Yagoo would throw a huge party if they managed to get those numbers.

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1550635554273824769

>>28901931
>he thinks the nips won't come to check it out

>>28901953
Fauna's medians are good because she gets good peaks without overlaps, but her averages aren't nearly as good because her timeslot sucks and it takes her 1-2 hours to crawl to 10k.

looks like this thread greatly underestimated the numbers
what went wrong?

>>28901409
HoloEN is barely a success, so I wouldn't count on HomoEN.

>>28902010
If they're even 2k average it would be a fucking unbelievable miracle

>>28902048
good for her

>>28901887
dont care what you think, i was asking for estimates ive never grudgeposted people here im just here to enjoy the show but keep the asshurt up

>>28894980
which oshi?

>>28901954
Apparently /g/ is busy distributing CP through embed gifs which is what they've been busy with.

Have anyone recorded what subs council had pre debut? We're at a time now where wave 6 could probably get their first 100k pre-debut.

>>28902096
You're really underestimating the cap for this

>>28901793
Exactly, that's the extreme success. If they make it to 5k avg they are a success. Hell I would deem them 2k as a success even if it would show that maybe there isn't much of market to grow in for them. Not to talk about competition, if they can't catch a NA market, it will be even worse competition wise.

>>28902109
>immediately tries to deflect
Like pottery.

>>28902088
I wanted to do my part in the algo by "do not recommending", but they never even appeared on my home page so whatever

>>28902139
that explains why I can't post any of my gifs for the last few hours

>>28897858
You just want to make fun of him

>>28902048
Imagine if Mumei turned this down lol

>>28902083
She also reads SC at the end of her stream usually so it's gonna fuck her average. Ina's averages are always good because she just doesn't engage with SC whatsoever. Also why her SC is shit, so it's a tradeoff.

>>28895605
Unless he bought with his own cash, in this market with these interest rates buying a house is only going to cause even more stress over a job

>>28902048
who? lmao

>>28902088
The maggening happened.

>>28902093
Barely a success how? The girls get good numbers regularly, it's just their too lazy/busy to stream consistently.
I feel that with StarsEN we can at least expect consistency for their streams.

>>28902048
Oh good for selen.
On another note OWL isn't dead yet?

>9k waiting
What the fuck

>>28902163
No, I'm being optimistic. Stars as a brand is fucking dead in the water, it's Phase Connect tier. If StarsEN can be just NijiEN girls level, that's fucking colossal. It's a fucking explosion of raw potential, the beginning of an incline

>>28902161
Council lost like 200k subs pre-debut, just to give you an idea.
ILUMA has not been culled at all.
No one will beat Irys's record of almost 400k subs pre-debut.

B-BROS!!!!

>>28902250
I mean..Mumei is an owl....it would make sense.

>homoENs waiting room might beat any peak that homoJP ever had

>>28899206
yeah, you look at various points in the chart, based on that.

>>28902048
What about Mumers...

>>28901881
If ya don't start posting imma start posting graduated nijilewds because they were the only ones I cared about...

>>28902093